Kobe demanded a trade to either Phoenix or Chicago and that was in 2007. 2008 was the year they added Pau Gasol so how the fuck would Kobe request a trade to San Antonio if they are the top seeded team that year? The only feasible trade that can be granted that time was Kobe for Dirk, Josh Howard and Jason Terry. Hell, Pop wouldn't give up his trio for Kobe after winning the NBA championship that year.
@@rundamic3373 I mean Kobe almost 3 peat when Shaq left. Kobe bryant worked with the team he was given and also when he wasn't reaching the playoffs for those 2 years he was still leading the NBA in score
I like Max K., but he's NOT a basketball player. He's too reliant on "numbers." Most championships are won in the final quarter/minute of the game, and hands down-Kobe Bryant is a FINISHER.
When you let geeks to the nba round table talk .. he got the championship won by Bill Russell. Thats one and two lebron is a 50 50 shooter.. today AD is more of a killer mentality than lebron .. lebron has to take over game every game ..
@@josephmontoya2251 y’all talk about a killer mentality like it means something. If I have “mamba mentality” or Micheal Jordan’s mentality in the last two minutes of a game but I’m never able to close it out with a win, by your argument I’m the better option than someone who wins making the right basketball decision.
@@caircn5747 it someone who ain't afraid to shoot the last shot ... lebron pass it up a bunch of times.. yes it could be a better decision .. but if your the best player in the team you have to take the shot regardless what anyone says in the media ... Game 5 they blame everything on Morris or Kuz but lebron should have taken the ball out or in his hands
Very few give Kobe respect on the defensive end but Kobe Bryant has been selected to the NBA All-Defensive team 12 times. Lebron James was selected 6 times. Kobe at the end of a crucial game is a terrific lock-down defender. Just look at his games in the Olympics.
out of the 12 times that Kobe made all defensive team, 9 of which, he had a negative defensive rating through the season. How does that even make sense for him to make it?
@@user-qh4re4ts1m 1- all defensive positions are chosen by position. Bron is probably a better overall defender j bc rim protection>perimeter defense and he can guard 1-5, but he’s a forward and has to compete with other forwards. If Bron was a 2 or 1 for his whole career he’d prob have like 15 all defensive selections. Tim Duncan being at the forward spot instead of center def got helped by that, making first team all d even while Shaq, Robinson, Dikembe, Dwight, etc played. 2- Phil Jackson himself said (in like 2010 or something btw) that Kobe was overrated on defense and was making all defense on reputation alone. Kobe is an all time great, top 5 player, LA hometown I love him, but people overlook some things and end up disrespecting other all time greats in the process
people have to understand kobe had so many moves in the post alone I have yet to see a player from any position especially a guard utilize the post like that let alone make the attempt to post up, Kobe was so much more of a technical player. He relied on pure skill where as a lot of these legends were gifted with crazy athleticism. People need to give players more credibility for not chasing rings and sticking to their team.
V Shyne from 07-11 kobe was thr best player in the nba and its not close .... only reason lebron has better numbers is cause lebron was drafted and had to be the man right off the bat . Kobes first 3 or 4 years he wasnr even a starter cause the lakers was deep ... kobe could've came in as a rookie and averaged 25 and 5 and 5 easily ... lebron is great but he cant go into godmode like a kobe or jordan
Jesse Caballero lol u good guy ??why are you being hostile guy ??why u talking about rings guy ?? we are talking about moves smh if that's the case ain't nobody got anything on Bill Russell shyttt come on man why are you being bias for I am a fan of the game I have no team and no bias sure I enjoy watching some players more than others but that's only natural because of skill gap also I play and not just watch so I can appreciate the talent each player contributes and go in depth about why I like players and why they are great/not great. melo is easily an all time great scorer one of the best to ever do it to be honest. he's a true competitor and did not want to sacrifice his competitive spirit to join his rivals on the same team for a ring cuz if he did he would have won a few easily i stated a fact that Kobe said that where is your facts bro come on man .I think it's funny that he gets criticized for doing the exact same thing that all time greats with no rings did that shyt is bogus a.f. Even MJ stated melo is one of the people that can give him a run for his money so what now you think your better than the goat at determining talent I think not and if so name 5 players who have a better offensive skill set than melo you most definitely can't and melo has on multiple occasions handed lebron an L even when he was on Miami with wade and bosh and has embarrassed the best defenders in the league give that man his respect and stop listening to the media and research yourself also don't disrespect someone you don't know it can come back to bite you in the ass just saying
Not to mention that Kobe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more clutch than Lebron, it ain't even funny. This is despite being a better defender and the only person MJ said might beat him 1 on 1.
That the dumbest comment ever. Let me start by saying first of all Kobe is not better than Lebron James. But comparing Kobe and michael to a student stealing knowledge from a teacher is a retarded comparison. Kobe is a special talent. A rare gem of a talent. To be able to imitate Michael Jordan. That takes skill. A RARE skill set that only a few can accomplish. Knowledge alone doesn’t get your game to the point to where it mirrors Jordan’s game.
I mean his work ethic and mentality were second to none but he mirrored MJ's game to perfection. You want to look at it correct, you should say Kobes drive will never be seen again as I can say noone will ever perfect MJ's game. Kobe's drive brought him to that mirror of play.
Ian Caesar Casem if you mirror someone’s game then it becomes about winning because you can’t look at the eye test, as they’re the same and MJ won one more championship in 6 less years
Kobe in the weak East would've been an interesting wrinkle in this debate. I think people forget how easy it is to get to the finals in the east when you have a top 10 player in LeBron teamed up with 2 All-Stars for 8 years. Had Kobe had Pau and one other as All-Star in the east he'd have even more finals appearances then LeBron hands down with probably even more than his 5 rings.
nandy9285 Kobe and Pau’s Lakers were not on the level of LeBron’s heat or LeBron’s cavs. Kobe wouldn’t have beat the celtics to get out of the east considering they lost to them in the finals.🥱
@@zandergilder9928 that's why I said he needs Pau and one additional All Star to match what LeBron had around him. The Fact that did eventually beat that Celtics team and steamrolled through the Magic without a third All Star is telling.
@@zandergilder9928 if you're talking about 2007 when the Celtics were awful I agree, but in 2008 that simply didn't happen. Why else did Boston make it to the finals instead of LeBron's team? Not to mention his teams failed to make the finals in over that Celtics team in 09, and 10 so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
nandy9285 The Celtics in 2007 were not awful Lmfao. Did you not watch basketball? They didn’t have KG or Allen, but they were a really tough team. Meanwhile Kobe lost in the first round to the suns.
The Punisher then you would need shaq so he can carry kobe. Yes kobe won 2 as the main guy but LeBron won (3) THREE as the main guy. And when LeBron loses he barely loses by single digits kobe loses by more than 30.
What people don't get is that Kobe stayed loyal to the Lakers (in hard times too)! LeBron left the cavaliers to Join the heat and after He won 2 rings (with that supertaeam) He returned to Cleveland because Miami was in a bad Moment.
IlGuanda 03 what you don't get is that you have a low IQ . How long did those hard times last for kobe? And when LeBron returned to Cleveland how was Miami in a bad moment? They still had wade and bosh.
John Harris because lebron is bigger and can get most of his fg% just by attacking the rim. Oh and btw all he does was for his stats to be great. Lebron being pg and stealing pg's role during game is shit! Thats why he doesn't go well with pg players. While kobe having this mamba mentality where he tries to score when needed that's why his clutch. He either takes the win or takes the blame from losing but the fact that he doesnt give up from the game since you're the ace player of the team is better than caring about your stats.
Spydertrex OG stats wise yes 1on1 hell no haha you’ve seen the clips kobe make lebron a kid everytime lebron try to guard him and lebrons always fuckin scared when kobe guarding him
Max always brings up somebody with more rings than Jordan but always omits the fact that Jordan is "UNDEFEATED" in the finals. Case closed on that. Kobe didn't always have Shaq, and Kobe played his whole career in the West.
Kobe left the team that drafted him Let it be noted that Kobe was an awful player for years which let the Lakers accrue talent, while Lebron was so good as a rookie the Cavaliers couldn't draft talent and unlike tinsel town Cleveland couldn't attract free agents Lebron was unlucky to be drafted to a poor franchise and was great day 1, Kobe went to the second greatest franchise of all time and was bad enough for them to draft high Lebron is a better playmaker, defender, rebounder, leader, and just as effective as a scorer Lebrons only competition is Michael Jordan. No one else compares to them quite honestly Kobe was a mediocre defender and a mediocre playmaker Bird was injured too soon Magic wasn't the great scorer he needed to be to rival Lebron and Jordan Lebron and Jordan that's the question
That stat would be relevant if LeBron played in the west and had to play against these teams. What do you want him to do? Go to the west and purposely play against better teams? That's some brainless shit.
Well you know what there are conferences LOL that's how the league works. Why bother putting that stat out just to claim that dumbass statement of there being no conferences? Im SLEEP
It means that Lebron wouldn't make it to that many NBA finals, if he's in western conf, 7 straight nba finals don't mean shit if you lose over and over again
imagine if we had social media like we do now when kobe played. he’d be regarded as the best player of all time, the month of games when he averaged 45+. unmatchable.
gay juice you’re so right all these LeBron fans keep forgetting the help LeBron has had Ray Allen would win games for LeBron James and most recently so did Kyrie and in Miami he had Dwyane Wade and Chris bosh
FACTS!!! I'm not saying lebron isn't a great player? But there's a big difference. Kobe wanted the ball in those closing minutes or seconds. Another difference is he didn't make excuses if he missed the shot. He owned up to his mistakes
@@marvinstephens2168 remember when Kobe choke in 2004 finals or remember when he choked a 3-1 lead or do u not watch basketball... Other then 2011 when did he choke.
kobe is a better lockdown defensive player, kobe is a better shooter, kobe is far more clutch, kobe's fundamentals and footwork 20 times better, kobe has a post game lebron don't, kobe is a more explosive scorer, kobe is more competitive.. if you watch the game instead of measuring the stats like a fucking accountant or a tv reporter you know who is a better player.
Like boi......99% of players be like Kobe. Kobe only has one mode " 4th quarter, game 7". LeBron is good but he doesn't have that wanting lust to win and kill. Nothing else matters except for the W.
Kevin Durant but went to the finals 4 years in row and lost to a dominant defense Pistons so please stop. Bron lost with Wade with a dried out Dallas team. Not the same . Keep your mouth closed
Lebron dominates Kobe in every statistical category Lebron is the better passer, defender, leader, and just as good of a scorer Lebron has easily been the best player of every team he's ever played on from day 1 while Kobe wasn't even starting his rookie season Kobe was lucky enough to be put into the perfect situation in LA while Lebron had to work to put him in the right situation
@@steelwall4396 how is he a Better defender? Who has more all NBA defensive teams? Not saying he's a Better but i feel like most people define rebounds as the only aspekt of defence
@@mathiasjessen5507 in the regular season Lebron coast on defense, but in the finals when push comes to shove Lebron is 2 inches taller stronger and laterally quicker This makes him far more switchable and a better rim protector and makes him the better defender overall The biggest argument against lebron is that on defense in the regular season he coast, but don't mistake that for peak lebron in the finals and late playoff series The only player that can compare to lebron peak to peak is Jordon
Fact: lebron has played with more all stars and more hall of fame players than Kobe has y'all act like lebron jus win games by himself he didn't Start winning until he had 2 other all stars on his team but won't nobody mention that
and they say KOBE is better when 3 of his 5 rings is with Shaquille O'Neal and Robert Horry, and 2 of his rings with the MVP Steve Nash. Talk about the real superTEAM!
amy and Robert Horry was never a all star jus a decent role player Shaq is really the only 10 player Kobe ever played with lebron has played with at least 5
The Notorious 3-1 Lead Prior to Lebron, you know how many people delved past what their eyes were seeing in order to "prove" a point? 0. I will take Kobe building a brick mansion on his way to rings, before I took Lebron padding his stats on his way to Ls.
The Notorious 3-1 Lead LeBron has more stains on his legacy than any other superstar...all those stats and he let turkolou avg 17ppg as dwight Howard's ORLANDO MAGIC beat his cavs in 5... And when Jason Terry avg more ppg than LeBron in the finals vs Dallas as a 6th man 😪
he took a bunch of scrubs to the nba finals, he shouldnt have even been there in the first place. Kobe has been the best player in the nba finals 2 times. LeBron has been the best player in 6 finals and its not even close (2 losses in GS he was clearly the best player on the floor, in 2007 which i just mentioned and his 3 years he won a ring)
zingGodin All the more proof that Lebron's road to the Finals is weak as hell. And averaging a triple double but disappearing in 4th quarters does not make you the best player in the Finals. Lebron fans are too stuck on numbers, but those numbers don't translate into wins, so who cares?
LeBron ended this debate in 2013 when he deferred to DWade in the crunch time all year and Ray Allen saved his ass in the finals. We saw what happens when LeBron trys to take over a game in 2012 finals.
Bruno .Doinel that’s where LA messed up,making Shaq the focus, they struggled 2 win games, bc he couldn’t make ft’s, the games were close cause of him and he was in foul trouble most of those playoff series,FACTS
That's a lot of bull...if he was in the West with other good players he would have more rings than MJ...put lebron on an thunder, rockets, spurs, gsw, team and see how he destroys everyone. Don't kid yourself. He plays with other decent to elite players he would win championships. Period.
@@OfficialStarstruck442 I'd take 6-0 in Finals, and being the universal GOAT, over someone needing to play longer than me, just to beat my play-off totals.
That was when he had Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and all of them trash ass players. He was averaging 35 PPG that series, nearly closing out the top seeded Suns, but failed. And he got so pissed off that he wanted a trade... And after that 07 season.
I'm a Kobe fan but he did complain about when he had Kwame Brown and Smush Parker. He told the franchise to make a change or else he would leave. Hence they got Pau Gasol.
Did you ever play the game? Difference between on court and off court personalities, his supposed "arrogance" was his way to win games, his competitive spirit. Off the court he always seemed humble to me, which is probably how he got his own brand. If you guys watch old clips of Bill Russel and Wilt, THAT'S arrogance. They're just GOING at it with one another about who was the best... MJ never ever did that kinda BS... Seems like ya'll haven't watched any basketball 'cept today's.
Jamal X word didn't he fuck Steve Kerr face up when he was new to the team lol cause he jus didn't like him probably seen him as a threat cause he was a steph curry back then
Sin City Quinn Yes but it seems to me that you are trying to omply that Kobe is better than Lebron simply because Kobe won with Shaq while Lebron didn’t
Roberto Barra I don’t give a fuck what it seems to you. I stated an objective fact. Period. Don’t add your bullshit to what I said. I don’t know what you thought. And I don’t care. Really.
James C Oh word you don’t think of his 15 point comeback in the 4th quarter that made Allen’s shot relevant, or how about his chasedown block on Andre to make Kyries shot relevant and his free throw to make the game out of reach, sometimes you have to be the one that builds it up and not the one that finishes it
If Jordan is #1 then KOBE is 1A!!! Lebron doesn't want that heat he'll get from everyone if he misses the game winning shot!! KOBE got that MAMBA MENTALITY!!!! He's always in the zone in the last 2 minutes of the game because he WANTS the victory!!! When you're the "greatest" player in the world you've gotta be able to take control of the game when the game is on the line and TAKE THE VICTORY!! MJ & KOBE TOOK VICTORIES N CHIPS, Lebron just passes them to the next guy so he could get it for him!!!
@@dparks2856 Easy...because the East had way lesser talent at the 4 and 5, and Shaq was a huge mismatch...but Kobe was just as dominant in the West playoffs as Shaq was, just ask the Spurs, Blazers and Kings
Kobe hands down, I mean just stating facts here and I SPEAK for EVERYONE when I say this but that's why I Say "Kobe!" When I shoot and not "Lebron!". Just saying.
You know that killer instinct is the reason why LeBron game 3 of the last finals right? There's a chance that LeBron will shrink when the game is on the line.
Also lebron dominates every statistical category over Kobe while being the better defender soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@@steelwall4396 an old and injured Kobe? Yup, he was still playing after that career ending injury. We all know that lebron is NOT the better defender, look at him sag off most of the time.
I find it hilarious...When Kobe, still til this day say he was a bigger fan of Magic, and mimic his style of play 🤣🤣🤣...When will all know, Kobe copied, emulated and imitated everything, Jordan did on the court...
Kcir Snewo I feel like the only reason Mj picked Kobe over Bron is because he knows Bron is catching up to him. He heard the talk and doesn’t wanna be dethroned.
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is simple... they were both some of the best offense players we've ever seen (even though Kobe has more weapons, but we'll call them equally great on offense for the sake of the argument) ... the difference is, Lebron quits on his team, and he stopped playing defense years ago. Kobe stayed with the same team through thick and thin for 20 years, won 5 rings there, was 11 time All NBA 1st Team Defense, and had the Mamba mentality. Kobe played PRESEASON games with the intensity of a game 7 Final... Just like Jordan. Lebron does not and has not showed that he has that kind of mentality. And that's why he will NEVER surpass Kobe no matter how many points he scores.
LeBron still better than Kobe. Explain why LeBron won in 2016 down 3-1 in finals he didn’t quit. What about 2012 ECF against Boston game down 3-2 in series? What about game 7 2013 finals against spurs? What about never quitting when he had to carry trash Cavs to finals in 2007 and 2018? What about when LeBron gave it his all with terrible Cavs team in game 7 of 2008 ECSF against big 3 Celtics and game 1 of 2018 nba finals against KD GSW outing up almost triple doubles and 45+ points? LeBron never had a player like Shaq on his team. His best teammates are Kyrie and Wade and AD but neither are top 10 players like Shaq is the most dominant Center in nba history outside of wilt. Kobe is one of the most inefficient superstars in nba history taking awful shots over multiple defenders and a ball hog most of the time while LeBron takes shots he usually makes due to good shot selection hence higher fg%. LeBron makes his team better through passing and leadership as well even role players play well.
kobe bryant started with 15 mins with 7ppg but now, he is the greatest of all time. despite this underdog situation, he achieved what he achieved in the smallest of opportunities, could you imagine how kobe built himslf from 7 ppg to 25 ppg, and max kellerman should look at the game not the stats, and lebron, with all of the opportunities he had, lamebron james has not achieved what he should achieve with all of the opportunities
I tell you what, if lebron is as great as everyone says, he better not only end 3 rings. Lebron is a once in a generation physical specimen. Someone that gifted better not end with 3 rings
Before I start, Imma say to y'all I'm a die hard Kobe and Laker fan. Bill Russell played in an era that was different from MJ. There were only 8 teams during around the birth of the league. This is such a weak argument. Like comparing Derek Fisher to Iverson or Horry with 7 rings, as some Bronsexuals bring up. So by that analogy, you're saying LeBron is on D-Fish's level? Don't think so. But with that said, and throwing the number of rings Kobe and LeBron won aside, I still think LeBron is better talent-wise. But skill-wise and mentally, Kobe is better. So for me, LeBron is better, but Kobe is greater. Kobe would win you a ring, LeBron would lead you to a ring. It's really apples and oranges. I don't really agree with MJ with the number of rings, but I'd say Kobe is a little ahead of LBJ. When asked who'd take the last shot at a close game, I'd say Kobe. If I were to pick which playstyle I'm gonna pattern myself into, it's Kobe. But 5 Finals losses doesn't really affect LeBron unless he beats the Warriors. And I think that one chip against the Warriors wouldn't make him GOAT. I think that would put him over Kobe, but not MJ. But if the Cavs beat the Dubs twice, I think the conversation's over. MJ ain't no goat anymore. Losses don't matter as much as we think. Everybody loses at some point. Again, a Kobe fan. (Just checked ESPN poll, 60% Kobe - 40% LeBron)
People tend to miss how clutch Kobe was. Kobe wasn't just hitting the game winning shot. He was also making shots when there's still 1-2 minutes left in the game. It's sad those get over looked. Also Kobe makes those shots when the Lakers are up 1, 2, 3 points and when it's time to put the game away, he does it.
Also check RUclips when you have the time. Search Kobe's games and you'll see Lebron don't have games like Kobe has. Lebron don't have montages like this.
the point is lebron wont have rings if he didnt team up with wade....he wouldnt win one too in cleveland without the nba comissioner's help suspending draymond....
lebron without superstars around him would never win a championship kobe did and put his teams on his back if it wasn't for ray allen and kyrie irving hitting the big shots he would not have the two last championships
But Max... Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving both saved the best player on the team from losing and being 1-8 when they made the shots that he missed to tie the game for OT though.
It's funny how MJ is the best ever to play the game so his opinion has waaaay more weight over a non playing analyst, stats shows your play history but on the court stats don't win playing against the best on the floor with skill and winning chips says a another story.. if Bron and Kobe were on the same team it would be Kobes team
@@derekchatman6209 if lebron and Kobe were on the same team it would be lebrons team just like it was shaqs team from 96 to 04 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣lebron better kid more finals mvp regular season mvp points steals rebounds assists better efficiency 🤣
The real question is...... CAN U WIN THE GAME... Kobe can comeback and finish a game... LeBron relies on other people to win and can't finish a game...fax
People should stop this comparison statistically it isn't fair. LBJ had the whole team on his back as a rookie. Kobe didn't even start. Yea Kobe had Shaq but Shaq also had Kobe. When Shaq and Penny played they lost.
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I think people forget how good Kobe was in his prime
tintman831 so easily forget. Ppl need to discern greatness player from greatest legacies
They forget that he averaged 35 and 31 in back to back seasons...
Good enough to miss the playoffs at 26
Sean Chang same seasons he was getting destroyed in the first round
People forgot how much times he choked
Bruh Kobe was great for more than just the final two minutes of the game. They kill me with that bullshit.
Marcus Wright he's just saying that he would rather have Kobe in the final 2 minutes when the game is on the line. Who wouldn't. Lol
Daniel Retamal I wouldn't. Statistically LeBron is more clutch than Kobe. Especially in the playoffs.
Greg Hubbard how many finals mvp shaq win without kobe? 0 how many kobe win without shaq? 2 end of story u clown lls
Xan Frank statistic my ass throw prime kobe in that east see what happen
Kobe is still better. He's more loyal, has a better finals record, faced much stiffer competition in the playoffs, and he's a better scorer.
Just saying, Kobe never left his team to win championships.
King James
Kobe demanded a trade to either Phoenix or Chicago and that was in 2007. 2008 was the year they added Pau Gasol so how the fuck would Kobe request a trade to San Antonio if they are the top seeded team that year? The only feasible trade that can be granted that time was Kobe for Dirk, Josh Howard and Jason Terry.
Hell, Pop wouldn't give up his trio for Kobe after winning the NBA championship that year.
He was gonna go to Chicago or clippers. That’s it. And that was never serious. It was to kick Dr Buss in the ass to spend money on better talent
True! Other replies true but he still did not leave! #Mamba Mentality
King James Kobe never needed to leave
if numbers were everything westbrook would have 3 rings Max. You're out of your mind
Ok numbers aren't everything. But lebron has more than numbers. He has Championships, MVPs, finals MVPs.
@@rundamic3373 Ok. Bill Russell has 11 rings 😂
Ronney Augustine in a weak era
@@rundamic3373 I mean Kobe almost 3 peat when Shaq left. Kobe bryant worked with the team he was given and also when he wasn't reaching the playoffs for those 2 years he was still leading the NBA in score
RunDa Mic wasn’t no weak era. They beat the shiiii out of each other
If it were up to me, I would choose Kobe Bryant, also...
I like Max K., but he's NOT a basketball player. He's too reliant on "numbers." Most championships are won in the final quarter/minute of the game, and hands down-Kobe Bryant is a FINISHER.
Shaun Shimizu if you think Kobe over Lebron then something is simply wrong with you
When you let geeks to the nba round table talk .. he got the championship won by Bill Russell. Thats one and two lebron is a 50 50 shooter.. today AD is more of a killer mentality than lebron .. lebron has to take over game every game ..
@@josephmontoya2251 y’all talk about a killer mentality like it means something. If I have “mamba mentality” or Micheal Jordan’s mentality in the last two minutes of a game but I’m never able to close it out with a win, by your argument I’m the better option than someone who wins making the right basketball decision.
@@caircn5747 it someone who ain't afraid to shoot the last shot ... lebron pass it up a bunch of times.. yes it could be a better decision .. but if your the best player in the team you have to take the shot regardless what anyone says in the media ...
Game 5 they blame everything on Morris or Kuz but lebron should have taken the ball out or in his hands
@@josephmontoya2251 lebron had 4 people on him and you wanted him to shoot...
Very few give Kobe respect on the defensive end but Kobe Bryant has been selected to the NBA All-Defensive team 12 times. Lebron James was selected 6 times. Kobe at the end of a crucial game is a terrific lock-down defender. Just look at his games in the Olympics.
Actually you should be comparing 1st Team All-Defensive but yeah, point taken Kobe still crushes Lebron 9-5.
out of the 12 times that Kobe made all defensive team, 9 of which, he had a negative defensive rating through the season. How does that even make sense for him to make it?
@@user-qh4re4ts1m 1- all defensive positions are chosen by position. Bron is probably a better overall defender j bc rim protection>perimeter defense and he can guard 1-5, but he’s a forward and has to compete with other forwards. If Bron was a 2 or 1 for his whole career he’d prob have like 15 all defensive selections. Tim Duncan being at the forward spot instead of center def got helped by that, making first team all d even while Shaq, Robinson, Dikembe, Dwight, etc played. 2- Phil Jackson himself said (in like 2010 or something btw) that Kobe was overrated on defense and was making all defense on reputation alone. Kobe is an all time great, top 5 player, LA hometown I love him, but people overlook some things and end up disrespecting other all time greats in the process
Because a lot were reputation awards
people have to understand kobe had so many moves in the post alone I have yet to see a player from any position especially a guard utilize the post like that let alone make the attempt to post up, Kobe was so much more of a technical player. He relied on pure skill where as a lot of these legends were gifted with crazy athleticism. People need to give players more credibility for not chasing rings and sticking to their team.
V Shyne from 07-11 kobe was thr best player in the nba and its not close .... only reason lebron has better numbers is cause lebron was drafted and had to be the man right off the bat .
Kobes first 3 or 4 years he wasnr even a starter cause the lakers was deep ... kobe could've came in as a rookie and averaged 25 and 5 and 5 easily ... lebron is great but he cant go into godmode like a kobe or jordan
V Shyne melo has just as much moves as Kobe even Kobe said he was the hardest person he had to guard
Jesse Caballero lol u good guy ??why are you being hostile guy ??why u talking about rings guy ?? we are talking about moves smh if that's the case ain't nobody got anything on Bill Russell shyttt come on man why are you being bias for I am a fan of the game I have no team and no bias sure I enjoy watching some players more than others but that's only natural because of skill gap also I play and not just watch so I can appreciate the talent each player contributes and go in depth about why I like players and why they are great/not great. melo is easily an all time great scorer one of the best to ever do it to be honest. he's a true competitor and did not want to sacrifice his competitive spirit to join his rivals on the same team for a ring cuz if he did he would have won a few easily i stated a fact that Kobe said that where is your facts bro come on man .I think it's funny that he gets criticized for doing the exact same thing that all time greats with no rings did that shyt is bogus a.f. Even MJ stated melo is one of the people that can give him a run for his money so what now you think your better than the goat at determining talent I think not and if so name 5 players who have a better offensive skill set than melo you most definitely can't and melo has on multiple occasions handed lebron an L even when he was on Miami with wade and bosh and has embarrassed the best defenders in the league give that man his respect and stop listening to the media and research yourself also don't disrespect someone you don't know it can come back to bite you in the ass just saying
Not to mention that Kobe is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay more clutch than Lebron, it ain't even funny. This is despite being a better defender and the only person MJ said might beat him 1 on 1.
John Mcgee numbers don't tell the full story
Saying Kobe stole his game from Jordan is like saying a student stole knowledge from the greatest teacher ever.
lol right..kobe would even text jordan in the middle of the night asking for advice lol
Sports is different
That the dumbest comment ever. Let me start by saying first of all Kobe is not better than Lebron James.
But comparing Kobe and michael to a student stealing knowledge from a teacher is a retarded comparison.
Kobe is a special talent. A rare gem of a talent. To be able to imitate Michael Jordan. That takes skill. A RARE skill set that only a few can accomplish. Knowledge alone doesn’t get your game to the point to where it mirrors Jordan’s game.
@@sonofthemorning5664 not really
@@antpain1156 Kobe perfected Michaels moves and foot work was like no other
The NBA will never see nothing like Kobe again.
Can't fulfill my dream to meet the 🐐 kobe.
I mean his work ethic and mentality were second to none but he mirrored MJ's game to perfection. You want to look at it correct, you should say Kobes drive will never be seen again as I can say noone will ever perfect MJ's game. Kobe's drive brought him to that mirror of play.
Kobe is the goat
Ian Caesar Casem I completely respect Kobe and may he rest in peace... Kobe Bryant is not the goat, MJ is the goat
Ian Caesar Casem if you mirror someone’s game then it becomes about winning because you can’t look at the eye test, as they’re the same and MJ won one more championship in 6 less years
Kobe in the weak East would've been an interesting wrinkle in this debate. I think people forget how easy it is to get to the finals in the east when you have a top 10 player in LeBron teamed up with 2 All-Stars for 8 years. Had Kobe had Pau and one other as All-Star in the east he'd have even more finals appearances then LeBron hands down with probably even more than his 5 rings.
nandy9285 Kobe and Pau’s Lakers were not on the level of LeBron’s heat or LeBron’s cavs. Kobe wouldn’t have beat the celtics to get out of the east considering they lost to them in the finals.🥱
@@zandergilder9928 that's why I said he needs Pau and one additional All Star to match what LeBron had around him. The Fact that did eventually beat that Celtics team and steamrolled through the Magic without a third All Star is telling.
nandy9285 LeBron beat that Celtics team with no all stars or decent players on his team(2007), Kobe beat them when they were old.
@@zandergilder9928 if you're talking about 2007 when the Celtics were awful I agree, but in 2008 that simply didn't happen. Why else did Boston make it to the finals instead of LeBron's team? Not to mention his teams failed to make the finals in over that Celtics team in 09, and 10 so I'm not sure what you're getting at.
nandy9285 The Celtics in 2007 were not awful Lmfao. Did you not watch basketball? They didn’t have KG or Allen, but they were a really tough team. Meanwhile Kobe lost in the first round to the suns.
I'd pay to watch Kobe play not Lebron. Kobe is the closest to MJ.
I'd pay to watch both play lol
LeBron better than both
Professor Finesser ur joking right
FACTS....Kobe>LeBron
Chris Austria Kobe not even 3rd greatest to ever play
Kobe all day! If I want to win, the Mamba is my choice over Lebron.
The Punisher then you would need shaq so he can carry kobe.
Yes kobe won 2 as the main guy but LeBron won (3) THREE as the main guy. And when LeBron loses he barely loses by single digits kobe loses by more than 30.
What people don't get is that Kobe stayed loyal to the Lakers (in hard times too)! LeBron left the cavaliers to Join the heat and after He won 2 rings (with that supertaeam) He returned to Cleveland because Miami was in a bad Moment.
IlGuanda 03 what you don't get is that you have a low IQ .
How long did those hard times last for kobe? And when LeBron returned to Cleveland how was Miami in a bad moment? They still had wade and bosh.
imsljr420 But it’s the final two minutes Kobe is more clutch than bron at the end of a game
IlGuanda ! Didn't Kobe request a trade after getting smacked around in the playoffs after Shaq left? 💀💀
But when they guarded each other Kobe roasted LeBron
Except LeBron has easily the better head to head record against them, lmao
John Harris because it is a team game my guy. 1 on 1 kobe always outplayed lebron.
Truth, LeBron can't guard like Kobe guard ..
John Harris because lebron is bigger and can get most of his fg% just by attacking the rim. Oh and btw all he does was for his stats to be great. Lebron being pg and stealing pg's role during game is shit! Thats why he doesn't go well with pg players. While kobe having this mamba mentality where he tries to score when needed that's why his clutch. He either takes the win or takes the blame from losing but the fact that he doesnt give up from the game since you're the ace player of the team is better than caring about your stats.
Spydertrex OG stats wise yes 1on1 hell no haha you’ve seen the clips kobe make lebron a kid everytime lebron try to guard him and lebrons always fuckin scared when kobe guarding him
Any smart person who knows basketball would take kobe over LeBron in the final two minutes
Dont change the fact that lebron is better the first 46 and I did the math and 46>2
@@steelwall4396 The first 46 means almost nothing if you can't close. ;)
William Freeman kobe will take any shot and that is not a Good thing he has missed a lot more clutch shots than lebron. And I don’t even like lebron.
William Freeman the last 2 minutes means nothing if your up 30.....
@@yvngmatic4088 LBJ rarely wins by 30. Try again. 😂
Rest In Peace Kobe Bryant Five Time National Basketball Association Champion and Two Time Finals MVP
Max always brings up somebody with more rings than Jordan but always omits the fact that Jordan is "UNDEFEATED" in the finals. Case closed on that. Kobe didn't always have Shaq, and Kobe played his whole career in the West.
Kobe left the team that drafted him
Let it be noted that Kobe was an awful player for years which let the Lakers accrue talent, while Lebron was so good as a rookie the Cavaliers couldn't draft talent and unlike tinsel town Cleveland couldn't attract free agents
Lebron was unlucky to be drafted to a poor franchise and was great day 1, Kobe went to the second greatest franchise of all time and was bad enough for them to draft high
Lebron is a better playmaker, defender, rebounder, leader, and just as effective as a scorer
Lebrons only competition is Michael Jordan. No one else compares to them quite honestly
Kobe was a mediocre defender and a mediocre playmaker
Bird was injured too soon
Magic wasn't the great scorer he needed to be to rival Lebron and Jordan
Lebron and Jordan that's the question
@D'Morea Murray Do you think Shaquille o'neal was as good on the Lakers as he was when he played with Lebron?
@@steelwall4396 obvious troll is obvious
STEELWALL43 you just called kobe a mediocre defender??? He was on the all nba defensive team twelve times! You’re out of your mind 🤦🏼♂️
And didn't run to the next upcoming team to win!! Stayed with his Team...
LeBron the best player on paper Kobe the best on the court
Facts
Facts
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Fact an some?
That’s actually a really good breakdown
Kobe 25-10 vs 50+ win playoff teams
Lebron 9-6 vs 50+ win playoff teams
That stat would be relevant if LeBron played in the west and had to play against these teams. What do you want him to do? Go to the west and purposely play against better teams? That's some brainless shit.
It means that Lebron wouldn't make it to that many NBA finals, if there were no conferences dummy
Well you know what there are conferences LOL that's how the league works. Why bother putting that stat out just to claim that dumbass statement of there being no conferences? Im SLEEP
It means that Lebron wouldn't make it to that many NBA finals, if he's in western conf, 7 straight nba finals don't mean shit if you lose over and over again
And goes to show you that Lebron always cakewalks to the Finals. Kobe could've done the same
imagine if we had social media like we do now when kobe played. he’d be regarded as the best player of all time, the month of games when he averaged 45+. unmatchable.
Bro KOBE MADE THE LAKERS WHO THEY ARE KOBE WILL TAKE THAT GAME WINNING SHOT NOT LEBRON...PLUS RAY ALLEN LAST SHOT AND KYRIE SAVED HIS CAREER
gay juice you’re so right all these LeBron fans keep forgetting the help LeBron has had Ray Allen would win games for LeBron James and most recently so did Kyrie and in Miami he had Dwyane Wade and Chris bosh
what games did ray allen win for lebron?
Otis Michael young kid sit down how bout game 6 of the nba finals to get them to game 7
That shot didnt win them the game. It tied it and the Heat won in overtime
And Lebron made a 3 pointer before Ray Allen to get them within 3.
Anyone that understands basketball would pick kobe in a heartbeat...
FACTS!!! I'm not saying lebron isn't a great player? But there's a big difference. Kobe wanted the ball in those closing minutes or seconds. Another difference is he didn't make excuses if he missed the shot. He owned up to his mistakes
Anthony Rodriguez Chocked in 04 and lost a 3-1 lead, carried by Shaq for 3 championships and never efficient
@@chilldoc9638 so lebron neva choke gtfoh lebron always choking in the clutch tf is you saying
@@marvinstephens2168 remember when Kobe choke in 2004 finals or remember when he choked a 3-1 lead or do u not watch basketball... Other then 2011 when did he choke.
Lebron is light years ahead as a basketball player
kobe is a better lockdown defensive player, kobe is a better shooter, kobe is far more clutch, kobe's fundamentals and footwork 20 times better, kobe has a post game lebron don't, kobe is a more explosive scorer, kobe is more competitive..
if you watch the game instead of measuring the stats like a fucking accountant or a tv reporter you know who is a better player.
SUPER FACTS!
Like boi......99% of players be like Kobe. Kobe only has one mode " 4th quarter, game 7". LeBron is good but he doesn't have that wanting lust to win and kill. Nothing else matters except for the W.
Lebron is better. He gets compared to Magic, Bird, Jordan, and Oscar. 4 mvps beats 1. Lebron stats is better than Kobe except free throw %
courtney gates That is complete wrong Kobe has better skills experience than LeBron so instead kobe is better
Funny
To claim that lebron is better than kobe is a big joke !
Rouzbeh Rahimivijeh, Ur the big joke here.
Kobe is better LeBron is a cry bby
Jay Jay, You're WRONG!!! LOL.
Luka Zebeljan Kobe bounced his balls off LeBron's forehead during the All star game haha
Quirino Garza, First of all, NO. Second of all, who gives a Shit about the all star game, it's all just fun and games. The players don't even try.
100% with Steven A Smith...Ill take Kobr all day
LeBron still lost with Wade.
kobe lost with shaq
@@Fan-xe7dv true
Kevin Durant but went to the finals 4 years in row and lost to a dominant defense Pistons so please stop. Bron lost with Wade with a dried out Dallas team. Not the same . Keep your mouth closed
@@MultiKushie Dont sleep on Dirk now, because he was balling out both of them in those finals
TheVintagePlayer The mavs were still underdogs. They were supposed to lose but lebron had the biggest choke job as a superstar in nba history
Who wouldn't? Everyone knows Kobe is clutch and Lebron is known for choking during clutch time
Your Favorite 'Neighbor' but lebron has better percentage than Kobe in the the last 5 seconds
Wtf because he makes his teammates take the shot during last five second hahaha
@@viskii9 well with your logic Rudy fucking gay and Giannis are more clutch cause they shoot higher percentages in the clutch
Mlm Gaming then yes they are. Kobe clutch numbers are horrific especially in the playoffs, finals and elimination games.
Thanks every one, and also lebron have more playoffs buzzer beaters, i respect kobe in the cluth but numbers tell you the true
He’s Payton Manning of the NBA the greatest regular season player of all time 😂
London Blaylock you should look at playoff WS
Jordan?
Lebron = Peyton Manning
Kobe = Tom Brady
@@hawk1093 Kobe is Brady facts lol
@@hawk1093 Then whos Mj, Jerry rice?
I'm a LeBron fan and I'd pick Kobe over LeBron in the 4th Quarter no question about it
Kobe is better than lebron 🐐
Ori Levy how
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Lebron dominates Kobe in every statistical category
Lebron is the better passer, defender, leader, and just as good of a scorer
Lebron has easily been the best player of every team he's ever played on from day 1 while Kobe wasn't even starting his rookie season
Kobe was lucky enough to be put into the perfect situation in LA while Lebron had to work to put him in the right situation
@@steelwall4396 how is he a Better defender? Who has more all NBA defensive teams? Not saying he's a Better but i feel like most people define rebounds as the only aspekt of defence
@@mathiasjessen5507 in the regular season Lebron coast on defense, but in the finals when push comes to shove Lebron is 2 inches taller stronger and laterally quicker
This makes him far more switchable and a better rim protector and makes him the better defender overall
The biggest argument against lebron is that on defense in the regular season he coast, but don't mistake that for peak lebron in the finals and late playoff series
The only player that can compare to lebron peak to peak is Jordon
Fact: lebron has played with more all stars and more hall of fame players than Kobe has y'all act like lebron jus win games by himself he didn't Start winning until he had 2 other all stars on his team but won't nobody mention that
and they say KOBE is better when 3 of his 5 rings is with Shaquille O'Neal and Robert Horry, and 2 of his rings with the MVP Steve Nash. Talk about the real superTEAM!
amy Kobe dosent have any rings with Steve Nash wtf u talking about and e of 3 of lebron rings all came with 2 other all stars on his team
amy and Robert Horry was never a all star jus a decent role player Shaq is really the only 10 player Kobe ever played with lebron has played with at least 5
KOBE HAD PHIL JACKSON, Who is lebron coach?
RayMagic12192 your point is?
Kobe was far better than Lebron.
fuck you
@@ritwikjaipuriar1858 eat shit u and ur floper!
Ya that’s just not true
Kobe is way better, ask MJ.
@@whitemamba-ct7xc bron sexually
Kobe was selected First Team All-Defense ....9 Times!!!! Kobe would School LaBron 1 on 1 !!!
Stephen A. spitting FACTS! Stats are one thing. Intangibles are another. Lebron ain't on Kobe or Jordan's level, in the head.
The Notorious 3-1 Lead Prior to Lebron, you know how many people delved past what their eyes were seeing in order to "prove" a point? 0. I will take Kobe building a brick mansion on his way to rings, before I took Lebron padding his stats on his way to Ls.
The Notorious 3-1 Lead LeBron has more stains on his legacy than any other superstar...all those stats and he let turkolou avg 17ppg as dwight Howard's ORLANDO MAGIC beat his cavs in 5... And when Jason Terry avg more ppg than LeBron in the finals vs Dallas as a 6th man 😪
he took a bunch of scrubs to the nba finals, he shouldnt have even been there in the first place. Kobe has been the best player in the nba finals 2 times. LeBron has been the best player in 6 finals and its not even close (2 losses in GS he was clearly the best player on the floor, in 2007 which i just mentioned and his 3 years he won a ring)
zingGodin All the more proof that Lebron's road to the Finals is weak as hell. And averaging a triple double but disappearing in 4th quarters does not make you the best player in the Finals. Lebron fans are too stuck on numbers, but those numbers don't translate into wins, so who cares?
Bron has the most career playoff game winners in NBA history and was on the winning team in 2 game 7's in the NBA finals
It's easy to rack up stats In the modern "sissy" era.
The siisy era where players are more skilled and way more athletic yeah.
There’s also no stats for chocking, LeBron would take the win again 😂
Big Facts
here we go
@@michaelkirschner6009 yeah like JJ Barea
Lebron played with shaq though 🤣🤣
KiIluminati idiottttt, he was like 40
MJ isn't wrong
Tyree Brown yes he is, Lebron ended this debate in 2013
Tyree Brown lebron did end it a while ago with 5 finals losses
Yes he is
LeBron ended this debate in 2013 when he deferred to DWade in the crunch time all year and Ray Allen saved his ass in the finals.
We saw what happens when LeBron trys to take over a game in 2012 finals.
The Mamba has been loyal to the franchise through out his entire career.
He went to the Lakers. Lebron was drafted by the Cavs
Stephen A tore Max up on This one very effortlessly
Don’t nobody play like Kobe 🅿️💯🐐
You silly, Jordan birthed Kobe style...
Lil Sean _Moneyhungry Copied everything from Jordan
@@chilldoc9638 jordan didnt have the footwork kobe had..facts
@@antpain1156 mj didn't have someone to copy
If you put Shaq with Lebron in his prime, Lebron stats would drop down cause Shaq would be the first option.
Bruno .Doinel Dumb statement. You put Shaq on any team with any player all time, he's first option.
big time, no spacing with big fat shaq in the middle. Lebron flourishes with no one in the paint
Bruno .Doinel that’s where LA messed up,making Shaq the focus, they struggled 2 win games, bc he couldn’t make ft’s, the games were close cause of him and he was in foul trouble most of those playoff series,FACTS
Bruno .Doinel um. No. Lebron would have 5 rings at least
Taggert he should of had at least 5 rings with the talent he played with in his career.
If LeBron was in the West in his whole career he wouldn’t have these great stats.
Brandon Rice ur stupid nobody could stop him
That's a lot of bull...if he was in the West with other good players he would have more rings than MJ...put lebron on an thunder, rockets, spurs, gsw, team and see how he destroys everyone. Don't kid yourself. He plays with other decent to elite players he would win championships. Period.
Justin Peterson thank you! Finally someone with some sense.
Brandon Rice how
Brandon Rice how tell me
Kobe #1
Way overrated
Ur on drugs magic and Kareem are better lakers
Donnie Pate nah lebron is overrated stupid two year old
DBZ Lol Kobe fan, Kobe's not even top 5
With out kobe they didnt win the olympics game vs spain...lebron qnd kobe r team mates before that time
Glossed over
if the GOAT in Jordan says Kobe over LeBron then hey it is what it is. Kobe got that I'm not gonna disagree with Jordan.
Caliramfan 100 That’s so fucking illogical 😂🤦🏾♂️
Fuck jordan..he mad lebron got more playoff points than him
@@OfficialStarstruck442 and yet he's 3-9 in the finals.
@@williamgalloway4063 lebron 3-6 in the finals you dont kno shyt about basketball ..stfu
@@OfficialStarstruck442 I'd take 6-0 in Finals, and being the universal GOAT, over someone needing to play longer than me, just to beat my play-off totals.
Kobe never whined about his team not being good enough. Kobe > Lebron
Facts
I'm Smorgas he did😂 he even demanded a trade
That was when he had Kwame Brown, Smush Parker, Luke Walton, and all of them trash ass players. He was averaging 35 PPG that series, nearly closing out the top seeded Suns, but failed. And he got so pissed off that he wanted a trade... And after that 07 season.
I'm a Kobe fan but he did complain about when he had Kwame Brown and Smush Parker. He told the franchise to make a change or else he would leave. Hence they got Pau Gasol.
The Daily FPS TPS channel. So you are missing the point. He complained
You don’t know what you’re talking about. He threatened to demand a trade cuz they were so trash
A time where humbleness was valued...... Props to MJ
really? MJ was arrogant during his time. geez. you didnt even watch 90's basketball, did you?
0kthenn Mj was never humble
Did you ever play the game? Difference between on court and off court personalities, his supposed "arrogance" was his way to win games, his competitive spirit. Off the court he always seemed humble to me, which is probably how he got his own brand.
If you guys watch old clips of Bill Russel and Wilt, THAT'S arrogance. They're just GOING at it with one another about who was the best... MJ never ever did that kinda BS... Seems like ya'll haven't watched any basketball 'cept today's.
Jamal X word didn't he fuck Steve Kerr face up when he was new to the team lol cause he jus didn't like him probably seen him as a threat cause he was a steph curry back then
amy Everybody were bad mfs in 80s and 90s. Karl Malone was bitch in 90s and Rodman destroyed him
Lebron literally played with Shaq in Cleveland. What is Max talking about?
Sin City Quinn Do you even context mate? Shaq was about a thousand years old and weighed about 700lbs of pure fat by the time he played with Lebron
Roberto Barra okay. Now look at my sentence then look at yours. Then answer this simple yes or no question. Did Shaq play with LeBron in Cleveland?
Sin City Quinn Yes but it seems to me that you are trying to omply that Kobe is better than Lebron simply because Kobe won with Shaq while Lebron didn’t
Roberto Barra I don’t give a fuck what it seems to you. I stated an objective fact. Period. Don’t add your bullshit to what I said. I don’t know what you thought. And I don’t care. Really.
Sin City Quinn Lol who hurt you? Or are you just going through your period
when I think Lebron's big playoff moments, I see a Ray Allen corner 3, a Kyrie dagger 3 in game 7, and a pass to Kyle Korver to save the Cavs season.
thesportsquotient.com/featured/2013/10/25/jordan-vs-lebron-vs-kobe-whos-most-clutch-in-the-playoffs
Lol facts
James C Oh word you don’t think of his 15 point comeback in the 4th quarter that made Allen’s shot relevant, or how about his chasedown block on Andre to make Kyries shot relevant and his free throw to make the game out of reach, sometimes you have to be the one that builds it up and not the one that finishes it
Why is it when lebron wins, he’s viewed as the “goat” but when he gets whooped all fingers point to anyone or anything who isn’t Lebron James
Even with lebron stats i’d pick Kobe lol..
Mentality, work ethic, attitude....if I wanna see a player play for my entire life.. Kobe every day over lebron
Stephen A same the shit lol I've heard him say this a thousand times
If Jordan is #1 then KOBE is 1A!!! Lebron doesn't want that heat he'll get from everyone if he misses the game winning shot!! KOBE got that MAMBA MENTALITY!!!! He's always in the zone in the last 2 minutes of the game because he WANTS the victory!!! When you're the "greatest" player in the world you've gotta be able to take control of the game when the game is on the line and TAKE THE VICTORY!! MJ & KOBE TOOK VICTORIES N CHIPS, Lebron just passes them to the next guy so he could get it for him!!!
biggybtoussaint Kobe is not a top five player ever, let alone the best Laker ever.
Go home, you're drunk. Kobe is not even a top ten player of all time.
1A with 1 mvp in 19 seasons 😂😂😂😂
biggybtoussaint 100% agree
Bernard Brunu and he got five rings your logic sucks
Shaq was in foul trouble every playoffs,Kobe bailed him out
Shaq might not have been in foul trouble if he had lebron covering for him.
Why did Shaq win all 3 finals mvp
@@dparks2856 Easy...because the East had way lesser talent at the 4 and 5, and Shaq was a huge mismatch...but Kobe was just as dominant in the West playoffs as Shaq was, just ask the Spurs, Blazers and Kings
Kobe was a different breed dude was so passionate to the game he studied the game better than anyone
Kobe hands down, I mean just stating facts here and I SPEAK for EVERYONE when I say this but that's why I Say "Kobe!" When I shoot and not "Lebron!". Just saying.
Yes because thats a valid reason
Alexander Xiong what the fuck does that have to do with anything?
You know that killer instinct is the reason why LeBron game 3 of the last finals right? There's a chance that LeBron will shrink when the game is on the line.
Do people not understand that lebrons clutch stats are better than kobes and mjs lol this arqument is pathetic
Mackenzie Layton It is spelled "Argument". Idiot. And no, Kobe is more Clutch. Idiot.
Yes I agree, Kobe Bryant has the championship pedigree like Michael Jordan.
Facts
But didn’t Shaq team up with Lebron and what happened shut max 🤦🏽♂️
U mean the Shaq thats about to retire and only joined LBJ hoping he could get another ring ?
Stfu shaq was clearly washed up by then
They always leave out that bill russell played in an era where there was only about 12 teams during the time, so of course he has more rings
many people didnt see prime kobe that's why they see lebron better than kobe. lebron mind stats, kobe mind winning.
Tru
Prime kobe sucked overrated
Kobe played just a few years ago tf you talking about lol
Also lebron dominates every statistical category over Kobe while being the better defender soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
@@steelwall4396 an old and injured Kobe? Yup, he was still playing after that career ending injury. We all know that lebron is NOT the better defender, look at him sag off most of the time.
When you realize Lebron HAS ALREADY played with Shaq on the Cavs!! 😂😂😂😂
Of course mj is going to pick kobe kobe plays just like him
You are right kobe even try to talk like mike.kobe ain't in the same breath as micheal
Also Jordan dueled against Kobe.
I find it hilarious...When Kobe, still til this day say he was a bigger fan of Magic, and mimic his style of play 🤣🤣🤣...When will all know, Kobe copied, emulated and imitated everything, Jordan did on the court...
Kcir Snewo I feel like the only reason Mj picked Kobe over Bron is because he knows Bron is catching up to him. He heard the talk and doesn’t wanna be dethroned.
@@king_Phil MJ is so far ahead of everyone that it's not even close. LBJ is top 5, but so is Kobe. IMO Kobe>LeBron
Stats- Lebron
Clutch- Kobe
Athleticism- Lebron
Accolades- Kobe
Mentality- Kobe
Closest to Mj- Kobe
Work ethic- Kobe
Passing- Lebron
Shooting- Kobe
Versatility- Kobe
The difference between Lebron and Kobe is simple... they were both some of the best offense players we've ever seen (even though Kobe has more weapons, but we'll call them equally great on offense for the sake of the argument) ... the difference is, Lebron quits on his team, and he stopped playing defense years ago. Kobe stayed with the same team through thick and thin for 20 years, won 5 rings there, was 11 time All NBA 1st Team Defense, and had the Mamba mentality. Kobe played PRESEASON games with the intensity of a game 7 Final... Just like Jordan. Lebron does not and has not showed that he has that kind of mentality. And that's why he will NEVER surpass Kobe no matter how many points he scores.
facts he pouts and throws tantrums lol
LeBron still better than Kobe. Explain why LeBron won in 2016 down 3-1 in finals he didn’t quit. What about 2012 ECF against Boston game down 3-2 in series? What about game 7 2013 finals against spurs? What about never quitting when he had to carry trash Cavs to finals in 2007 and 2018? What about when LeBron gave it his all with terrible Cavs team in game 7 of 2008 ECSF against big 3 Celtics and game 1 of 2018 nba finals against KD GSW outing up almost triple doubles and 45+ points?
LeBron never had a player like Shaq on his team. His best teammates are Kyrie and Wade and AD but neither are top 10 players like Shaq is the most dominant Center in nba history outside of wilt.
Kobe is one of the most inefficient superstars in nba history taking awful shots over multiple defenders and a ball hog most of the time while LeBron takes shots he usually makes due to good shot selection hence higher fg%. LeBron makes his team better through passing and leadership as well even role players play well.
kobe bryant started with 15 mins with 7ppg but now, he is the greatest of all time. despite this underdog situation, he achieved what he achieved in the smallest of opportunities, could you imagine how kobe built himslf from 7 ppg to 25 ppg, and max kellerman should look at the game not the stats,
and lebron, with all of the opportunities he had, lamebron james has not achieved what he should achieve with all of the opportunities
I tell you what, if lebron is as great as everyone says, he better not only end 3 rings. Lebron is a once in a generation physical specimen. Someone that gifted better not end with 3 rings
Da Goat he's only 32 I can see him winning a couple more chips before he retires.
Al Bundy F.B.Z. he ain t no he can t even shoot a basketball
if basketball is individual sports, you are right.
Da Goat and FLOPPIN''
How does max kelllerman tell the goat that he's wrong about picking Kobe over lebron especially when he is the anyaslt and not the player.
Someone like shaq didn’t shaq play for the cavs in 2010👀
kobe is better then lebron
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U tripping
James Lee nah lebron is
James Lee Cap
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Max sounds like he has turrets and his ticks are the word "LeBron"
Feels like they are arguing for the sake of arguing
Kobe and Jordan are basically the same coin just different sides. Kobe is straight ice cold clutch.....Lebron isn't as clutch as Kobe. Period
Kobe was probably scaring poor little Lebron with his death stare at the end of the all star game.
If ray allen and irving didnt hit that 3 point shot he only has 1 championship
The 3 Greatest Closers were MJ, Kobe & Bird followed closely by Jerry West, Kevin Durant & Steph Curry.
Oh c'mon lets stop this Who's better, Who's stronger etc...!!! MJ, Kobe and Lebron are Legends!!
Before I start, Imma say to y'all I'm a die hard Kobe and Laker fan.
Bill Russell played in an era that was different from MJ. There were only 8 teams during around the birth of the league. This is such a weak argument. Like comparing Derek Fisher to Iverson or Horry with 7 rings, as some Bronsexuals bring up. So by that analogy, you're saying LeBron is on D-Fish's level? Don't think so.
But with that said, and throwing the number of rings Kobe and LeBron won aside, I still think LeBron is better talent-wise. But skill-wise and mentally, Kobe is better. So for me, LeBron is better, but Kobe is greater. Kobe would win you a ring, LeBron would lead you to a ring. It's really apples and oranges.
I don't really agree with MJ with the number of rings, but I'd say Kobe is a little ahead of LBJ. When asked who'd take the last shot at a close game, I'd say Kobe. If I were to pick which playstyle I'm gonna pattern myself into, it's Kobe. But 5 Finals losses doesn't really affect LeBron unless he beats the Warriors. And I think that one chip against the Warriors wouldn't make him GOAT. I think that would put him over Kobe, but not MJ. But if the Cavs beat the Dubs twice, I think the conversation's over. MJ ain't no goat anymore. Losses don't matter as much as we think. Everybody loses at some point.
Again, a Kobe fan. (Just checked ESPN poll, 60% Kobe - 40% LeBron)
Mayer D. Slayer Well said, finally someone who gets it
People tend to miss how clutch Kobe was. Kobe wasn't just hitting the game winning shot. He was also making shots when there's still 1-2 minutes left in the game. It's sad those get over looked. Also Kobe makes those shots when the Lakers are up 1, 2, 3 points and when it's time to put the game away, he does it.
Also check RUclips when you have the time. Search Kobe's games and you'll see Lebron don't have games like Kobe has. Lebron don't have montages like this.
max is 100% wrong!
Max likes to look at the stat sheet. Maybe he should actually watch the games. That is what really tells the story.
the point is lebron wont have rings if he didnt team up with wade....he wouldnt win one too in cleveland without the nba comissioner's help suspending draymond....
zights jordon most likely wouldn’t have one if it wasn’t for Scottie
zights facts
But Draymond got himself suspended
1.)MJ (6),
2.) Kobe(5),
3.) Majic(4),
4.)LeBron(3),
5.) Shaquille(4),
6.) Duncan(5),
7.) Bird (3),
8.) Elijawan (2),
9.) Horry (7)
10.) Rodman (5)
Magic got 5 though. I agree with the list
Kareem????
lebron without superstars around him would never win a championship kobe did and put his teams on his back if it wasn't for ray allen and kyrie irving hitting the big shots he would not have the two last championships
1:44 lebron played with Shaq multiple times in Miami and Cleveland
To think Lebron was the best player on his championship teams is laughable...
He literally was. Like by far
TheSP_Pirate he was better than both of them. Averaged more points than both of them and is the main reason they won those titles 2 finals mvps
But Max... Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving both saved the best player on the team from losing and being 1-8 when they made the shots that he missed to tie the game for OT though.
But if Kyrie dont hit the 3 then the Cavs would still win by 1 pts tho
Facts
Take a shot every time max says Lebron 😭😭
It's funny how MJ is the best ever to play the game so his opinion has waaaay more weight over a non playing analyst, stats shows your play history but on the court stats don't win playing against the best on the floor with skill and winning chips says a another story.. if Bron and Kobe were on the same team it would be Kobes team
@@derekchatman6209 if lebron and Kobe were on the same team it would be lebrons team just like it was shaqs team from 96 to 04 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣lebron better kid more finals mvp regular season mvp points steals rebounds assists better efficiency 🤣
Rest in peace Kobe bryant
If I got a dollar for every time max said LeBron... 😂💰
LOL MAX HAIRCUT IS AS FUNNY AS LEBUM BEING BETTER THAN KOBE!
MJ>KOBE>LECHOKE
#KB24AllDay
Edwin Castelan lechocke😂😂😂
Hmm. I'm pretty sure lebron played with shaq
Nick Sanders yeah when he was almost 40 and Kobe had shaq in his prime
Stats vs championship...
Coz the the end of the day thats the two things that makes a great player in any sports...
Kobe 🐐
The real question is...... CAN U WIN THE GAME... Kobe can comeback and finish a game... LeBron relies on other people to win and can't finish a game...fax
Max said LeBron been the best player on his teams he had kyrie Irving
Well said
Kobe over LeBron any day especially on Sundays
The only conversation that lebron will have now is if he's in the top 5.. 😂😂.. No more goat conversations for Lequit
Toxic Jutz Kobes not top 5 either lol Lebrons top 2
People should stop this comparison statistically it isn't fair. LBJ had the whole team on his back as a rookie. Kobe didn't even start. Yea Kobe had Shaq but Shaq also had Kobe. When Shaq and Penny played they lost.
Ppl really don’t realize how short of a healthy career kobe had majority of his time he was hurting and just playing threw it