After Kithomer: Exploring the 'Lost era'
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2022
- This week i delve into what can only be discribed as a lore dump, in the run up to "The Tomed Incident". looking into the implications of the Kithomer Accords, the fate of the original enterprise crew, and the state of starfleet in this forgotten era of trek history.
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The powers to be at Paramount Viacom passed up a great opportunity to give us Star Trek Captain Sulu, instead we got Enterprise. Imagine a series that could’ve shown us what the Excelsior was capable of.
For real? Seems unlikely to me that George Takei at his age in 2001 would have committed to doing a TV series, but that would have been interesting.
To answer your question: Excelsior would have been capable of whatever the plot demanded.
@@lanceheaps581 the time to do it would be 93 after ST6 mid-way through TNGs run
@@lanceheaps581 George Takei himself expressed interest in doing this back in 92, the adventures of Captain Sulu in an interview.
It would have been good to see it done, but I still believe that Enterprise gave us a needed view of Star Fleet's early days.
little did Ferris Bueller know, his friend Cameron would captain the Enterprise B.
He went from what was it a Porsche to an Excelsior Refit quite the upgrade.
Lance Heaps ,from a classic Ferrari * to the Enterprise - B !
☺ good times, man
i know your work is unlikely to be canonized, but its canon to me
it makes logical sense, fits in well, and is enjoyable!
The lost Era books are, for the most part, really good. The Terok Nor trilogy was the crowning achievement, though.
It is one of those eras just like after the creation of the federation that not much has been delved into
You, are correct!
They needed to have a Sulu and Excelsior TV show or at least one movie. They still could make one.
I really, really question if Harriman would have kept Enterprise after Generations. Besides Chekov punching him, you had hundreds of reporters on board who would have filed story after story about the unqualified rookie who got the most famous captain since Archer killed in his very first mission. At the bare minimum, there would have been a board of inquiry, more likely a court-martial, and I suspect Harriman would have either been told or decided to resign just to put out the brushfire. Interestingly, I recall a novel where his dad was CNC, and that's how he got the job in the first place. Nepotism at it's finest.
Another wonderful video! I love your takes on lore.
17:03 IMO, the single greatest lot of wasted potential in Star Trek's history was Sulu not getting his own series after Star Trek VI.
I am just imagining what George Takai and a good supporting cast would be capable of if an 'Excelsior' series had launched right around DS9 or mid-TNG; an era that in my opinion, most consistently produced the high marks of the franchise.
Sure, there are plenty of stinkers in that era too, but they are nowhere near the norm (at least, from Season 3 of TNG onward, when Maurice Hurley and Roddenberry finally stepped aside to let the writers actually do their thing, for better or worse.
Agreed. I'd have taken a captain sulu show over voyager. It could have had a different vibe and served to connect the two eras
Has George Takei ever said if he was interested in doing a series at that point? I mean by 1995 when Voyager rolled around you would be talking about your lead being 58 years old. He would be 64 by the time shooting wrapped in 2001. Shooting TV series are brutal I just don’t think he would have been interested at that point.
@@lanceheaps581 It's been a very long time, so forgive me if I get this wrong, but I recall hearing Takei opining on the subject of doing another series at a convention panel following Leonard Nimoy's death.
However, his animosity with William Shatner and especially Gene Roddenberry precluded any such series from occurring. By the time Roddenberry was out of the picture, Paramount had already begun production on Deep Space Nine.
Considering how Takei had gone on to make gobs of other sci--fi appearances in that same era, including those that were well below his pay-grade at Paramount, I think the interest was still there through at least the 1990s and early 2000s as he certainly wasn't hurting for money at that time and was a household name.
As for his age, Patrick Stewart is all of three years younger than George Takei. I think he could have pulled it off as Takei did well to keep himself active after Trek at least until the late oughts.
@@atmosdwagon4656 Appearances are one thing being a lead on a show that shoots 24-25 episodes a season is another. Takei would have been 11 years older than Stewart was when he started shooting TNG if they had gone with an Excelsior series in 95 over Voyager. I would also point out that the original Janeway Geneiveve Bujold was 5 years younger than Takei and left because she could not handle the pace of TV production at her age. Sure Takei was much more a vet of the small screen, but I kind of have my doubts it is something he would have wanted at that point.
In spite of general thoughts about making any Star Trek at around the time of Star Trek VI that was not either a ( then future ) movie or a tv series. I would propose that a "limited tv series" of Sulu Captaining the Excelsior. But the production teams would be stretched to cover DS9, and the next movie after TNG, adding a any other "Sulu series" no mater full time or 4 to 8 one hour episodes in limited run - just too much work ( with possible Voyager pre production ). "What if..." is fun, Paramount really missed the chance to do more extended series, when the core actors were still with us for the Original Series Cast.
“Generations man…. “ Brother Venom, I could feel what you were saying.
Leo de-Grance is the father of Guinevere in Arthurian legend which is why it is a Lancelot class ship. A character played by Sir Patrick Stewart in the movie Excalibur btw.
Was the movie any good?
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Not bad at all for an early 80's one, all star cast, with a young Helen Mirren, Liam Neeson, Gabriel Byrne, Clive Swift (AKA Hyacinth Buckets husband in keeping up appearances) Colin Redgrave (son of Sir Michael Redgrave) Nicol Williamson as an excellent and eccentric Merlin and of course Patrick Stewart. Quite trippy you can see the production team experimented with LSD In their youth. It's definitely a cult movie, one of my favourites.
Probably the only King Arthur movie that even TRIED to stay faithful to the actual Arthurian lore. Definitely a great movie.
@@erikjaroy8214 Well..having never watched it..Is the sword in the Stone Excalibur or Caliburn?^^
@@NashmanNash Excalibur, unfortunately. The movie DOES, however, acknowledge the Caliburn part of the story by having Arthur break Excalibur in a fight, only to have the Lady of the Lake repair it and return it to him.
The best uniform era.
Well when they keep the turtlenecks
Turtle neck is fine. The uniform evolved. However it's the best uniform ever in trek history!
It has long been my theory that all Federation ships after a certain point were built with the idea of a cloak in mind, they just lacked the cloaking module to actually cloak. That is why it seems so easy for Federation ships to just slap a cloaking module in and cloak like the best Klingon or Romulan ships. So the idea that the Federation openly used cloaks between 2293 & 2311 really plays into that fan theory.
Also, I really like your idea of the technology restrictions placed upon the Federation & Klingons after 2293. It, and the isolation of the Romulans in 2311, go a very long way in explaining why the Federation seems to have stagnated for 70 years or so until the Brahms-era rejuvenated Starfleet and set it back on its path back to progress.
*THIS* is the era that needs to be the setting for a new live action Star Trek series.
Even if the new show is going to be a "Starfleet Academy" show - do it in the "lost era" where there is still plenty of galaxy to explore, in a time frame that is more familiar than the "future era" of Discovery, and with ship designs that are more "relatable" - not those weird ships that seem to be "the thing" in the 32nd century.
Loads of scope for the inclusion of "legacy" characters, (ancestors of TNG characters and descendants of TOS characters).
Set it at the right time, and it could include the build-up to the Cardassian war, and cover the changes in the galactic political scene, with the building of peace with the Klingons.
So looking forward to Tomed. Your interpretations of the canon are always so logical and fascinating, so it will be great to see what you've done with this one!
Also, cloaked-Excelsiors for the win! Someone make a hero-shot of that happening!
Wish Hollywood would do something with this Era in Star Trek, it's way overdue.
Yes 13 constitutions in the original production run , and four replacements. ( with refits for the reming vessels) before the constitution refit . Or enterprise class . ( or type 3 ) i believe. But afterwards decommissioned them and produced an unknown number of tmp Coneys .. i think i read somewhere the federation made over 300 plus mirada class. ( variants not included)
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Amazing video! I was captivated the entire time! I can not wait to hear more. Well done, Sir.
Absolutely love the 80's & 90's designs of Starships and the uniforms were spot on perfect. Wish they would do a film or tv series in this "lost" era so much. Looking forward to more 🖖
much to ugly the ships became better when ds9 aired but all exept that is ugly as fu.....
Always thought that "lost era" refer to time line from enterprise-b to enterprise C, didn't know that lost era refers more post-khitomer and excelsior/enterprise - B only.
I've heard the Lost Era goes from the day after ST6 to the first episode of TNG
Amazing video! I have always been fascinated with the lost era! Keep it coming!
If it helps, Star Trek uses naval terminology of the first half of the 20th century, familiar to Gene. You had the heavy cruiser armed with 8-inch guns and more armour than the cruiser armed with 6-inch guns. The battleship was armed with 12 to 18 inch guns and heavy armour. The battle cruiser had battleship guns but much less armour. Naval treaties tended to limit weight and armament size. Traditionally, the way around treaties was first to lie or create new classes to get around the treaties. The classic class like this was the German pocket battleship, which was like a heavy cruiser but armed with 11-inch guns. Generally speaking in war, the battle cruiser and pocket battleship did not live up to expectations.
Another great video, and preface!
Gorkon did say if the is to be a brave new world, their generation would have the hardest time living in it.
exactly what i was thinking. this will become clear in the episode
The Belknap-class strike cruiser also shown to have a cloaking device is getting no love. I suppose it is beta-canon, but it has long been one of my favorite designs.
Interesting. Although not really to my taste. Not distinct enough.
Utterly fantastic
Two counter points.
1: picard was captain for decades. So Sulu can be the same.
2: klingons considered the connie a battlescruiser so that is a issue
Picard was. But I hate that. He should have been an admiral by the dominion war.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 at least commadore since captain ot.the federation flagship. But saying not unheard of. Sulu was a helmsman so likes moving.
we need an exploration of this era in a new star trek series😊
There is a constitution (or variant) at Wolf 359. At least by the wreckage. I go with a variant based on the constitution. So they weren't completely retired in favour of Excelsior variants.
Also possible it was rolled out of mothballs at Utopia Planitia, Spacedock, or was a cadet training vessel pressed into emergency service to fight the Borg on short notice.
I like the idea that Enterprise B was a cloak equipped ship. She wouldn't have been limited by the Treaty of Algeron, and that would explain the "wings".
From what I read Harrison years as captain was bad, eventually stepping down and giving command to Demora Sulu. I don't know how long after she's captain but she has a daughter.. Even Chakotay on Voyager mentions talking to Admiral Sulu but he referred to Admiral Sulu as "her". Plus helmmen don't go on missions. So I doubt she died on a mission. Some time Before TNG Chekov is head of security at Starfleet Academy. You did not mention Bones, Dr Montgomery was an Admiral by the time of 2nd season of TNG. He still preferred shuttles over the transporter and was given the tour of Enterprise D by data. Who he thought was a Vulcan, then went finding out he was an Android he replied "Just as bad"
Thanks again.
Wait a minute, you forgot to mention the status of McCoy. What heresy is this?
Otherwise though, it nice to see more info on the status of the UFP just prior to Tomed.
I think he was just being old and grumpy drinking whiskey somewhere.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 I figured he was part of Starfleet Medical, semi retired and travelled between worlds.
Everyone in the comments is saying a Captain Sulu show would be great. But wasn't he on the Excelsior in the movies because George couldn't stand to be in the same room with Shatner? Kinda sours the whole thing for me.
Transwarp DID pan out. The warp scale in tos was based on their understanding, which the excelsior set out to prove was wrong. Had mr. Scott not put a wrench in the works, we wouldn't have spock, but the ship itself was repaired. The fact is, Mr. Scott sabotaged the excelsior, but he didn't break it. It became the standard scale for warp in the next generation
I would like to see NX Class variants on screen not just RUclips Videos.
The Excelsior Class, The Excelsior II Class and the Obena Class plus their many variants are the 747 and 747-8s of the Federation Of Planets, the fact that the 747 has been around for around 60 years and now has a up dated model with 787 technology in the modern age, the 747-8 built with winglets, has chevrons on the back of the jet engines and the new ones are made of composite materials.
The Obena Class I like that variant out of the Excelsior Variants, built with Sovereign technology with the framework of the Excelsior Class.
You should design a Excelsior variant with YorkTown Class Technology, lets see how that would look on the drawing board and production.
The good old 'Excelsior mafia'
If Sulu was smart he may have taken a lesson from James T. "Don't let them promote you" Kirk...I can easily see him staying a captain 20 years. Hell, Picard had been a captain for 38ish years when Kirk said that to him.
What about McCoy?
"Mega phasers"? Are they like turbo lasers?
Thing is the whole "don't let them promote you" advice makes sense for kirks character. But not for someone like picard or sulu for that matter.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Why not? I'd think reticence to accept a promotion to a desk job is common among Starfleet captains. It may help explain why so many Starfleet admirals are evil and/or incompetent: the command officers worth their salt want to stay out in the field helping people hands on.
Arrives Tuesday .
Could be really cool. I have always wondered what happened to the B it is rumored to have been listed as lost/whereabouts unknown a little after the Tomed incident. Also, that during Tomed Demora was captain and during this event B as well as other Federation ships were fitted with cloaks.
Question, there is a video that shows the reaction of the federation to the "death" of Cap. James T. Kird? Because that is something that I would love to see.
Hey Venom one thing wondering and it hit me how would the movie era Kirk Starfleet handle the Dominion
Much firmer. Buy that probably would start the war sooner.
in the books, Uhura is head of Starfleet SI till her retirement.
This is the time period I vastly prefer running my Trek RPGs in
Would have love to seen a Star Trek base on Captain Zulu and Tuvok during his time In the Excelsior.
I love these your work is fantastic though I hope you get back to your dominion war series the Last battle for Kor would be great you have a talent for making those.
Eventually yes. And we will be seeing more from the klingons.
I believe there is a Ambassador class USS potemkin
And a Connie class as well it's a frequently used name.
How are those considered battlecruisers, when the have less armor and tonnage than the Excelsior class? What categorizes a battlecruiser is a ship with the firepower of a battleship but less armor and tonnage. It still is heavier than a heavy cruiser. A heavy cruiser has same armor as cruiser but heavier weapons. If a ship has heavy weapons but light tonnage for speed and maneuverability, that is a destroyer like the Miranda Class. The Klingons of that time on screen considered the Constitution Class as a battlecruiser, because it is comparable to their D7 and K'Tinga Class battlecruisers, so that is canon. The Federation considered the Constitution Class as a heavy cruiser. The Excelsior Class was double the mass and firepower of a Constitution Class, why wouldn't that be considered battlecruisers? They were the top of the line ships until the Ambassador Class ships were built. To me it sounds like the Klingons just wanted Starfleet to pause their battlecruiser development into they are able to recover from Praxis incident.
Each Starship has its Miranda variant.
I hope the new Star Trek Legacy is this late movie era. That would be awesome
Here's my idea....An anime series called Star Trek The Tomed Legacy. As far as voice actors here's my idea.....
1. Have both George Taki and Walter Koieng reprise their roles of Captain Sulu and First Officer Pavel Chekov of the USS Excelsior.
2. Have both Actor/Actress of SNW voice Older Spock and Uhura.
3. Some of those Enterprise B style Excelsiors be used by Section 31.
Cheers
Wasn't Scotty in the Generations scene with Checkov, and wasn't Checkov the pattern that fadded when they both seek refuge in the transporter buffer?
The fellow who's pattern was lost on the Dyson Sphere was an engineer on the ship that crashed.
No. Franklin was the pattern that faded
If you take from the game Star Fleet Academy Sulu was an admiral & in charge of the Academy unless that has been retconed due to it only being part of the game
Makes sense.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Nah, he was still only a Commander there, and took time there before his promotion as a teacher, according to the game cutscenes.
Circa 2288.
He was supposedly an Admiral by 2311 or 2320, depending on sources. And even Federation president for a while, per one novel.
Far out, that into photo has the last three standing cast members in the middle!
Scotty was stuck in the Transporter of the USS Jenolan and that for 80 years
you talk about MAD, Mutually Assured Destruction. I can't think that even Klingon full adherents would sign on to that.
Agreed commador or rear admiral. , or vice admiral makes sense. , an admirl needs a flagship ( riker )
Why didn't the guys use small battle fighters like in star wars during the domain war? the auxiliary ships have already shown great firepower during the series, especially the delta flyer in voyager
They did, see the Dogfight episode of Battlespace
By the era of the Defiant, was the cloak a lend from the Rommies or was it something they always had on the backburner? Also the fact that the federation had already developed cloaks how does that play by the time they sign the treaty with the Rommies? It seems like they said specifically not to develop any cloaking technology, but they likely keep what they already have. It would explain why the Excelsior and especially the New Excelsior was dragged along by mostly Admirals into the late 24th Century.
Your new supporter captain striker I wonder if he used to be involved in the old AOL startrek RPG SIMS I lost connection with all my old crew.
This is the era that I am most fascinated with, I made a video on tiktok with my pitch on a "lost era" series. I truly think this will, if allowed, will bring Star Trek back to form. But I am skeptical as to if said series will be anything close to canon, since canon in Star Trek is quite shaky.
Edit: as always, love your videos :)
in the early years of the federation, what were the standard ships they used? the Vulcan ships seemed to be more advanced, the Andorians must have had several classes of ships, and the Starfleet seemed to have only two nx classes.
There were surely a lot more than two NX class ships by 2161 considering Earth had just got done fighting a full scale war with the Romulans.
Btw, whoever is narrating this RUclips video. Please, reread ‘The Captain’s Daughter’ that Captain Hikaru Sulu went back to Askalon 5 to rescue Demora Sulu. Demora Sulu was captured and alive by her captor. It’s an Interesting read and a good novel after Star Trek: Generations.
Capt Sulu needs a show
aka, The “Oh My” Era
How did Demora Sulu die? On memory-alpha it shows her as Active.
I was not aware the Federation ever had cloaked ships, at least not in secret anyway
What’s a mega-phaser?
Leon de gramce . ( Patrick Stewart's character in excalibur) a knight of the round table. Father in law of king Arthur. . I suspect thats why the ship name was chosen, Easter egg .
Well spotted.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 cheers
What was the kitomer attack that killed words parents?
Little later I will cover that as well.
Do you think we could ever get an accurate series about the “lost years?”
Well at least we have your videos!
a sulu show... if only.
The Klingons and Starfleet sort of shot themselves in the foot with these treaties limiting firepower, this shows in later battles further down the line when they were faced with enemies like the Borg and Dominion. Fuck knows why the Roman's were caught with their pants down when they could have done much better against the Borg. Nowadays the Klingons are too likeable to remain the bad guys and the joining between the Roman's and Vulcans rule them out. A new enemy or a drastic change in politics is needed to spice things up a little in future episodes.instalments of the franchise
Venom Geek Media Canon trumps Beta Canon
Names to give a Excelsior Class:
USS String Theory
USS Quasar
USS Solar Fusion
USS Quantum
USS Gravity Well
USS GrandFathers Paradox
USS Fermis Paradox
oh intresting. a good break from the normal names.
Your english is ok so your opinion will seem more valid than the brits that still replace w with r. I didnt know that brits could have horrible english until around 2010 when I could hear brits that were average folks on youtube and I realized there are 500 local accents in 1 mile radius in England not to mention the greater Britain.
I thought Excelsior II is a new alpha canon ship in Picard Season 3 time
Apparently the Centaurs are only 210 meters long and tinier than the Oberth class, according to the original designer of the Centaur.
Only if you scale off the torpedo pod. But if you go off the saucer or nacelles it's bigger.
That is apparently in fact the way the creator of this ship intended for it to be scaled. All the additions to the saucer were to disguise it and differentiate it from the excelsior model. Reportedly he also added the Reliant bridge to this model.
In my opinion - your explnation for some ships having cloaking devices is wrong. The only ship we are sure of that had an experimental cloaking device is an Oberth class (see TNG). Since that cloaking device is a highly advanced variation it stands to reason the device fitted before it was a 'classic' cloaking device. If the Oberth were all dedicated ships with cloaking capabilities similar to the Romulan D'Derix class it would explain a number of things. A) the reason for the odd structure design of this ship B) the reason why Oberth classes are always appearing in Fire fights when they are so outclassed (they have been tracking enemy movements secretly and reporting back to Star Fleet) and C) Why they are attacked so relentlessly to distruction - after all if they were simple inoffensive ships, why target them at all? - The reason is that they are not inoffensive they are tactically and stratically very important D) as Starfleet space expands the cost reward of having many Oberths becomes apparent.
Yeah I remember the Cold war pretty well served in the military during the '80s and '90s so yeah tell me about the Cold war I don't know so I can appreciate uneasy tensions between former former enemies
well you probably remember more than me.
This shows how Starfleet was unperpared at the battle of Wolf 359... When they got their backside handed to them by the Borg!@
at the time of the classic series only had constitution class ships? if there were only 13, how did they have thousands of ships in the federation fleet?
Better question is how did they have thousands of ships in the Federation fleet in DSC S1-2 / SNW, if NX/NCC-2000 wouldn't be around for a couple decades? One thought could be that they counted every single shuttle they had in inventory as a ship.
Alternately, there are more registry codes at the time than we are used to (NX, NCC) which allow for "inflation" of ship numbers. NCE/NCC (escort - frigate/destroyer scaled, cruiser - light/heavy/large cruiser), possibly NEC/NEE (xCx being 'core' Federation ships, xEx being frontier/exploration area ships). Just doing something like that gives 3 additional registries to fill up, and escort registries could fill up faster than cruiser ones, and the four combined could rack up into the thousands. Then for various reasons the other registries would get folded into the NCC one, which could provide a rapid inflation in NCC registry numbers over time and gives us just the NX/NCC registries by TNG.
But I expect that it's actually that they were counting shuttles as ships when giving numbers, given how they used shuttles at the end of DSC S2.
If me grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon....
Sulu was at least a two-star rear admiral after almost twenty years of starship service let's be honest, the man clearly had higher command potential. It would be nice for Chekov to finally get a proper command of his own. Uhura needs to be serving in a mid-tier leadership role either with Starfleet Communications or Starfleet Intelligence. Harriman was a political choice and completely inept (admiral father?) to command the Enterprise-B not pragmatic sensible one given the needs of the service at the time, he needs to catch the Orion equivalent of treatment resistant genital warts or something on shore leave and medically discharged from Starfleet in shame, just saying.
Harsh. You don't think it was that Harriman was intimidated by kirk being there...
I'd heard that Harriman actually went on to be a remarkably good captain, according to some novels, though I haven't read those myself.
I always wonder what Harriman’s service prior to Captain was like? Was he just a desk jockey like that Commodore in the TOS episode where they get old? I realize it was his first command, but by that point in his career he should have been a department head for a number of years as well as a few years of XO experience. Should never have been so nervous if he actually had that experience on starships. If he was just some paper pusher at Starfleet Command or a Starbase maybe he would be that deer in the headlights.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 No, I agree with Lance Heaps suggestion, he was most likely a Starbase desk jockey for most of his career, maybe even spent the majority of his career at the ESD and again fostered numerous connections with Federation diplomats, council members and a few officers in the Admiralty in order to sit in the big chair. He probably did the absolute minimal amount of time as an XO of a starship or command of a smaller vessel like a Saladin to get the posting.
@@lanceheaps581 I do presume he had an impressive career of some sort to get a command like that, if maybe a sudden one. It could have been the celebrity and press attention that waswhat had him rattled rather than the command itself, at least to some degree. Also it's possible he was more an engineering track guy that knew the ship best from its development and such.
One question was Sulu behind the shift to gay pj uniforms we first see in tng that take the dominion to return them to a serious outfit.
'obviously transwarp didn't pan out'
I actually disagree with this. I think it was successful. The argument against it is a single throwaway line from Scotty that could easily be referring to how he disabled the Excelsior's engines. Trans- is a Latin prefix for on the other side or beyond. Transwarp, therefore, is the field of what's 'beyond the (current) understanding of warp', not specifically like Borg transwarp tunnels. If there was a massive upheaval in the understanding and capabilities of warp engines it nicely explains several things like the change in the warp scale or the fact that the engines are so different between the two eras.
I think you are right, and I interpreted it that way as well. New warp scale means to me it was at least partially successful. Also to me it was probably the second generation of vertical warp cores with the first generation going on the Constitution refit. A lot of times the second generation of something works out the bugs of the first generation version, and I think that is what the transwarp engines on the Excelsior did. Did they meet the wild expectations of their creator probably not, but still a nice leap forward.
So that is one interpretation to explain the re-drawing of the warp scale. But in "The Great Experiment" I cover how transwarp was a different system to standard warp drive.
Admiral Sulu, Oh My!😉
Rear Admiral no less. Oh My! Indeed!
Ok I'm nit-picking horribly here but Star Trek VI is the undiscovered country. Are you putting this I as a new ST6 and pushing the rest of the movies up? Odd question I know but I'm old so you have to forgive me.
Ran across the vid by accident, and the glarring errors of your assumptions compared to what Roddenberry said are the rules of the universe are staggering. This isn't even beta but instead is ignoring those absolutes. I could detail them but it would fall on deaf ears.
Your accent is cute
It is, isn't it?
StarTrek LGBT The Fabulous Journeys,
Is that ship at 12:03 named USS Obama?
the klingon empire and the federation have never really been allies. more like fair weather friends walking on eggshells
As far as I know, there is no evidence that transwarp drive didn't work. Scotty sabotaged the drive. Why would he do that if it wasn't going to work.
I haven't seen this addressed either. I think Scotty did the equivalent of pulling a sparkplug and they just then deemed it a failure....
Hate to say it but, could you imagine if Disney owned star trek?
I was disappointed with the beta canon version of the tomed incident
I hope my version is more to your liking...
I always hated Sulu.
It's not sulu I hate but current day George Takei. His politics are rotten and he's a shill for blue check marks on Twitter.
Why?
Your intellect is as weak as your dollar.
Failure is your destiny.
You disrespect yourself and your nation.
You are made of stupid
I struggle to enjoy Sulu content now that George Takei has become so insufferable.
It's what president Putin is daring us to start. He's getting desperate.
Yeah didn't expect this story would become so relevant.
No disrespect to your channel but @#$% Zulu
All this talk of "shaking prejudices." "Prejudice" is pre-judging, as in judging before you have enough information to make a proper judgement. Look at how the Klingons acted in in the TOS era, and look at how they changed sides in the Dominion War in DS9, and then tell me that letting your guard down around the Klingon Empire is a wise idea.
I wouldn't say to assume every single individual Klingon is untrustworthy, but as a whole their aristocracy is a huge bag of dicks.
Over time individuals retire or die and are replaced, so change over time is possible, but if the same people in the Federation and Starfleet are still around post ST6, then what can we assume about the longer-lived Klingons? The Klingons that ordered the brutal subjugation of the Organians (whom no one knew were practically Q) were mostly still around.
My policy would have been to drag out the peace with the Klingons as long as possible in order to numerically and technologically get so far ahead of them that they cannot threaten to blow up the Federation every time they want something. They are rather stagnant while the Federation is more dynamic and creative and new member worlds are joining at a regular pace. That's not some new-found colony world with a few hundred people on it just busy with building up from nothing, but entire homeworlds with billions of people on them joining, adding their industriousness and technology willingly without having to beat it out of them militarily (like the Klingons did in the TOS era). Outpacing the Klingons would be inevitable. Probably one could say the same about the Romulans though they are sneakier and smarter and probably would keep up with the Federation longer before being outpaced.
Not a fan of the actor...