06-11 Honda Civic 1.8L R18 MASSIVE ENGINE FAILURE! There's no fixing this one
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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Today's subject is a 1.8L 4 cylinder from a 2009 Honda Civic EX. This is the R18A1 found in 2006-2011 Honda Civic (Non-Si). Generally, these are pretty reliable engines with the most common failure from a porous engine casting problem on early cars where coolant would weep from the front of the block.
THIS ENGINE HOWEVER, failed from negligence and failure to maintain proper oil level. I feel like this is a very reoccurring theme on this channel where engines get destroyed from either no oil or dirty oil. I'd be lying if I said I've never seen one of these fail like this however its almost always attributed to the owner and not so much the engine. This is a very common engine and the sheer volume of them still on the road means they've been blown up in every way possible.
Why am I doing this? My name is Eric and I own and run a full service auto salvage business in the Saint Louis Missouri area. Part of our model includes dismantling "Bad" engines to salvage good parts from them. We do not rebuild engines, merely sell parts to those that do!
I really hope you enjoyed this teardown, as always I love all of the comments, feedback and even the criticism. You can catch these teardowns every Saturday night! I've torn down well over 120 engines on this channel so if there's an engine you want to see torn down I may have already done it!
-Eric
Eric, your videos are like a great relationship. The more of it you get, the more you love it! I really enjoy seeing your editing evolve. I also really love the humor. Keep it up sir! Also, should try getting a semi engine...
oh yeah, a big monster 6 cylinder truck engine thats blown to bits!
Agreed!
His videos have improved and we are better in this relationship for this. (:
@@madamscustomsthey could run for 20 years after a installing a new cylinder liners. So it's hard to get a semi engine
I own an 06" Civic with the R18, I just mantain it coreectly and it runs and runs. What I do:
Oil change every 5k, OEM filter + 5w30 sinth oil, AEM dryflow filter gets cleaned every 10k.
Coolant drain and fill every year (yep)
I change the thermostat and radiator cap every 50k, the water pump gets changed every 100k with the belt and tensioner.
I replaced the OEM plastic radiator with a custom made aluminium one when I bought it.
Valve adjustment every 50k also.
Vtec selenoid seal every 50k
ATF drain and fill every 15k (top tec 1800), filter every 30k.
Fuel strainer every 100k, every 5k 1 bottle of amsoil cleaner
1 good italian tune up once in a while.
If taken care of the engine is solid, never had an issue, my mom has a 06" since new and it is at 370k currently, mine is at 140k. The reason we own them is because they are just great cars for daily driving, they are extremely reliable, they use very Little fuel (40+mpg hwy, 35+ city), the interior is great and you have a lot of space, the ride quality is also great, they are noisy when stock, but 20 pounds worth of sound deadening makes the car silent like a Mercedes, when you sound deaden it, ceramic tint, and install a good modern head unit the thing becomes all you really need every day. And with the automatic the engine really is silent unless you punch it.
I saw some of these engines with ~500K. I love it in my Honda.
I watched the entire video to see if he could address the issue correctly while disassembling almost everything and judging in "good" and "bad" :)), but simply NOT, rather than mentioning oil level checking stuff at the end of the video.
Anyway, at least I saw what the parts are and how nicely they were designed. Thanks!
Sorry to be picky, but at 10:02, the part you show is the bearing surface (female). The journal (male) is part of the camshaft, as you said at 10:24. Such bearings for highly loaded steel parts typically use softer metal bearing shells, as seen on con-rod big ends and crankshaft mains.
i fixed that porous casting issue permanently with a $10 bottle of K Seal, before that we had a lot of overheats and breaks to enjoy the scenery.
0:40 - So that's the reason! I owned a 2010 Honda Civic with this engine for 10 years and only once did the car give me an unpleasant surprise: One day I found myself mysteriously without engine coolant. Now I know why!
Hey I think the issue was resolved by or before 2010 models
Is the block issue still a thing for R18’s in the 2012-2015 civics?
JB Weld, sandpaper and some elbow grease and it's good as new
Rodney has left the crankcase!
23:49 if you need the exploded view. Love it!
That is a beautifully simple timing set. Probably related to the engine running 250,000+ miles on the regular.
I think that anybody could do a timing chain job either on this R18 or on any K20 (+ oil pump Chain)
Not like on an Audi V6.
@@mixedboi For sure. The worst thing might be having to remove a motor mount.
@@Oddman1980 Spot on!
Well, yeah, SOHC is simpler by definition, fewer components in the valvetrain.
@@Lorin-GabrielLeaua-fm1lw American truck engines work the same way, but I guess you need something to make yourself feel better?
Single OHC with screw and locknuts, simple timing system, port injection. Gotta love the good old days...
Reliability above all.I have a 9th generation Civic Tourer for European market with only 46k miles on it year 2014 and engine is R18A2 which is the last version. I guess I will drove it until wheels fall off cause engine is going to outlive every other part.😂
@@The_Touring_Jedithe last version is R18Z4, which you find in the Civic 2015 and onwards
Have one of these turbocharged on a stock block. Knock on wood this won’t happen. I bent a rod last year and since then fixed it and still boosting again!!! Thanks for making these videos ! Cheers
BK
Should just replace it with k series si or type s
Because of you, you have given me the confidence to rebuild my first engine this week. Wish me luck.
These videos shouldn’t give you confidence, more like, nightmares! 😂
@@TML34 honestly it actually has lol. I've had nightmares of blowing up my cars like that lol. Not even joking.
I'm a long way from working again on an engine, but I keep reminding of my mechanics classes and maybe sometime work on my own car lol. Good luck with your engine man!
@@igormac88 thank you and have fun with your classes.
Best of luck to you. And if you need help, let me know.
I love the bits where he caresses the timing chains, as if he has some vast dirty pleasure cove of chains where he hoards them and basks in the glory of his riches..... or something
Definitely has a chain fetish..
Somewhere along I-270 in St. Louis near Christmas time, there’s a billboard with Mrs. Eric on it, wearing several timing chains around her neck like a gleaming necklace, with the phrase “He went to Importapart!”
Eric loves timing chains and has a love/hate relationship with dip sticks!!
He’s more obsessed with chains than Mr T!
@@ktl711No way are you fr?!?
Bout to make a road trip
I had a 2011 R18 a few years ago. Bulletproof, never gave me a single issue or repair. I now have a K20 and its the same. No issues at all.
K20 is better
I am a firm believer in checking engine oil level often. I purchased a new vehicle last fall, manual says to change oil every 12,000km, I changed it at less than half of that. Checking oil level is super easy, yet many people just run an engine until it blows up. Change your oil on a regular basis, it's way cheaper than a new engine. Proper maintenance goes a long way in extending a vehicle's lifespan. Thanks for the video, Eric and have a good night👍
I've had some truly terrible engines make it to 200,000 miles just by keeping clean oil in them.
@@Oddman1980I usually buy vars with more than 200K miles on the clock 😅. I don't have enough budget for less driven ones (well, undesirable cars like Nissan Micras are within my budget and below 100K mile) given that most cars under 4000€ in price have more than 200K most of the time. My own Honda atm has 252K miles done. Powered by K20A6 (K20A3's European brother)
@mrblue is that the one with steering wheel on the wrong side? Good luck
@@mann_idonotreadreplies Nah, European model, not UK/British one, aka it is LHD
I'm with you on that.
The intake valves being at different heights is actually a design feature! The way the I-Vtec works on these engines is it will open one of the intake valves lower than the other at low RPM to improve air/fuel mixing I believe. At high RPM, it will engage both valves at the larger height for more airflow. You should be able to see the different lobes on the cam. Quite a neat feature! These engines are indestructible with proper maintenance.
Thats so true, i have one and has 95k on it and going to be served every 6 months. My car burns oil so going yo change the pcv valve and see if this helps. I am not a mechanic but i like how engines work and like to care for them. Any suggestions to stop burning of oil. I am having the engine terra cleaned in the next few weeks to see if that will improve
I have R18A2 engine and it is Honda Civic Tourer for European market as Station Wagon. Great car just bought with 45k miles looks new and runs like new as a 10 years old...😂
The R18A1 and I have a little bit of a history. My 1st car was a 06 Civic. I learned alot of rotuine maintenance and repair from RUclips video's on that engine. It's a hero in my books
These engines are so good, put 180k miles on it and only had to replace the starter, tensioner and constant regular maintenance. Sadly car got totaled but it served me so well.
I have a 2008 Civic with the R18A1 engine and it runs like a champ. It has 247K miles on it and I always keep up with the maintenance on it. It has never given me any problems whatsoever. A great little car!
I have R18A2 it's the 9th generation. I guess these are probaly ok. Mine is low mileage 46k only.😂
Same, mine has 225k on it but I'm about to sell it, tough to fit a family of 5 in a coupe so I just bought a TL.
Vary rare these go wrong, apart from some of the engines that early on did habe a coolant leak through the block, once they sorted that, as long as you looked after it, theu go forever
1997 Honda Accord. 334,000+ miles on it. Running strong!
I love how you forensically reassembled pistons like a fossil skeleton you dug up.
Something evil was inside the engine and wanted out.
😂😂 💯
I worked in the parts dept at a Honda dealership from '09 to '22. I remember all the Civics with the coolant leak, but they were mostly earlier ones ('06 and '07). The later R18s were pretty solid. If you keep up on the oil changes, they were REALLY reliable. If you wentbtoo long between oil changes, the Vtec solenoid would get gummed up and the timing chain would stretch. Don't remember many with BROKEN chains, but they stretched til the skipped time.
honda mechanic from europe. we never had the issues with the coolant leak.
I have one of the civics ('07) that had the coolant leak and unfortunately the motor was healthy aside from the leak. I recently swapped it for a jdm motor that runs great! it was a miserable two days to swap but I learned a lot so I can't complain.
I heard it was a usdm thing only@@gelangweiltertyp9365
So the pre-06 (1.7L) motor did not have this issue? Is the block design different? Im considering either an 05 ex automatic one owner or an 08 lx 5sp.
@@marksoldier4640 01-05 used the last of the D-series engines. Completely different families.
I’m pretty sure what _actually_ stopped it was the reluctor wheel getting mangled. Had that been intact, I think at least one more piston would have failed our very scientific and patented testing process! 🔨The overwhelming amount of carbon points to this being your typical driver that just drives it down the road until it simply won’t move anymore. I have heard the proverbial “well it was making some noises but I thought that was normal…” while under the hood my hand can pass thru from one side of the block to the other, or it’s welded itself into one solid metal chunk, lost all compression, etc.
That makes me sad. I had a 1988 Civic for 245,000 miles and it was still running great when I sold it. Loved that little car.
Totally different designs & both are extremely reliable. R18 can last forever without even a head gasket failure, like your gen was susceptible with age.
@@SamslamminCars There's a video on youtube of one ticking over 1 million miles, killing one of these is an actual achievement.
@@kristoffer3000 there is. There is gentleman with a 7th gen Accord J30 6-speed that I follow, made it there as well on 5 cylinders; for the last 48k.
Every civic eventually gets bought by a teenager with love of hitting revlimiter
lol there's allot of 4cl that go allot further Toyota comes to mind but hey.
STP oil filter.... stands for Stop Transportation Permanently.
My dad used Walmart fram orange oil filters in our 2000 Sentra from 0 miles to 189k miles with absolutely no problems. The car was eventually scrapped due to rust on the unibody but the engine ran just like new. The key with these cheap oil filters is to replace them every oil change as some people have a tendency to keep the same filter on for a couple of intervals.
I wait all week for these. Great Job as always.
Carnage inside as good as my favorite Mexican dish; carne asada. Carnage Insida
They used this engine up until 2022 in the HR-V (in the USA, anyways).
My 06 EX Coupe with an R18 blew a hole in the block from this same defect at around 129,000 miles when it was 9 years old, honda put a new motor in the car for free and I'm still driving it now 9 years later, I will buy Hondas for the rest of my life. They truly stand behind their products and take care of their customers.
Seems I'm not the only one who was clicking the refresh button until I saw this video go up. Excited to see a Civic engine. It's been a while.
YEAY! You cut open the filter and looked at it. Now, this one was obviously full of metal, but just looking at it like that, the metal may not always show. Thats why I squeeze the oil out in a vice to get a better look. This is more important on a diesel engine with black oil, but its useful if its in a toy engine as well.
My 99’ Civic has 315000 miles on it. Just oil changes and timing belts
Great job
Keep it up
From Argentina
Love watching the channel brother, no offense but this is funny, my daughter, who is eight years old, specifically loves watching with me because of the time the breaker bar hit you in the back of the head, she says that you remind her of Adam Sandler lol, she says every time “Who is taking apart the engine?” “Is it Adam Sandler? And I have to laugh lol. We love to watch the tear downs. But seriously you have taught me so much, I’ve watched a lot of the teardowns, and I learned something every time no doubt. I appreciate your channel! Thank you so much for the Contant. It has been extremely valuable!!😊👍🏽💯
I was watching a guy super charged his BMW M3 with a single turbo, and absolutely destroyed it within a couple hours. After watching your tear downs, I absolutely knew why his engine blew… I’ll try to be polite so I won’t say anything other than you’re right lol.😊
Would love to see a blown up big diesel. I'm talking about those semi trucks that do tractor pull competitions where they end up launching their head in to orbit. Would be pretty interesting to see the aftermath.
He doesn't do those bruh
Last words said before this engine failed: "V-Tec just kicked in, yo!"
This engine has the economy version of VTEC. It turns off at 3500 RPM I believe, so you want VTEC to kick off in this case.
I realize that using an impact saves a ton of time, and editing videos to show manually loosening bolts is surely an enormous pita, but the 'creek, creek' of cracking loose torqued bolts is like ASMR to an engine guy, so I hope you don't eliminate it completely.
Absolutely love the channel, by the way!
Look at how nice and clean those intake ports are vs DI engines
LOL, I bet they would have been gunk'd up!
Most drivers don't service Di engines
@@mann_idonotreadreplies very true
Wife's 09 civic has over 330k, think block issue was fixed by around 07-08. Very good little engine.
Good to hear. My ‘10 LX is at 152k. I hope I can get a lot more mileage out of mine.
my 09 edix has 166k miles has the R18a engine i hope it will last for a long time
2010 LX here with 147,700. I change my oil every 3000 miles to be safe.
Do you still have your Civic? How many miles do you have on it now?
Honda’s windowing the engine case is the redundant joke all VW fanboys have in their back pocket.
The oil filter dissection is truly revealing. Thx for the engine Jim.
An R18! Holy hell I never thought I’d see one on the channel! I’ve owned my 06 civic for a few years now and have very rarely seen any internals! Super great video and awesome garbage!!
That engine had enough of the hard pulls without good oil, and turned itself all the way off - really nice touch that it killed its own starter too.
I rip mine on and off and there’s time where I feel like it’s gonna blow but hasn’t, basically feels like a ticking time bomb, in at 158k miles
I bet that made a cool sound for a second! I love watching your videos, Eric. It is cool to see how different engines are built AND fail.
I believe it made a cash register sound.
Our 2006 Civic had the "porous" block problem, but it was actually a crack. We got the free engine warranty extension from Honda, but it didn't crack and start leaking coolant until that had expired - at about 132k miles, I think.
Then my son went to a salvage yard in Tulsa where he found 5 or 6 CNG Civics that must have been part of a fleet as they all had a little over 50k miles on them. People had already stripped the CNG components, but my son snagged an engine from one for a really good price. We did have to reuse the pistons from the original engine because the CNG pistons make a higher compression ratio. But man, when we tore that CNG engine down for the piston swap... good golly it was clean inside. Looked like brand new everywhere. Almost a shame to start burning gasoline in it.
My son did most of the work and that engine-swapped Civic has done another 20,000 miles since with no sign of stopping.
Good job!
A friend of mine at work had a CNG Civic. The oil that came out of it when he changed was super clean. So clean you almost didn't think it needed to be changed. I'd imagine even a very high mileage CNG engine would have no varnish in it.
My parents ran Taxis on CNG. The Ford straight 6 pushrod engines easily lasted 500,000 or more miles with zero issues. One did 900,000 and blew a head gasket. They changed the oil religiously, and the engines were ultra reliable... it was usually a major accident damage that ended the car's lives.
Ah, the good ol' R18 economy engine. It does what is says on the tin: gets good fuel mileage, lasts a long time.🙂 There was even a R20 in certain models (the Honda ZR-V 6-seat people mover in Europe, I believe).
The 6-seater was Honda FR-V (sold in Japan as Honda Edix). I've got one with this exact R18 engine in it. It was added to the FR-V lineup with the facelift in 2007 and replaced both the 150hp R20 and the older 125hp D17A2. And despite the car not being a lightweight (just under 1.5 ton curb weight), I can get down to 36-38mpg when not too heavy on the gas pedal. It's got almost 170k miles on the clock now and lately it's been a bit more oil-thirsty, so perhaps the head gasket is in for a check at the next oil change - a reminder to myself, it's due pretty soon.
I’ve never seen a Civic engine fail in anything less than a spectacularly catastrophic way (broken timing belts excluded). They always ventilate the block. They’ll go 300k with nothing more than regular maintenance, then suddenly eject a rod for no reason.
My friend just quit his job at BMW.
He gave no indication he was leaving.
BMW...BORED MAN WORKING
2 week notice signal non-functional
Got an R18Z1 in a 2013. I rev it fairly hard, but I take care of the oil.
Also for the "VTEC kicked in" comments, note that VTEC in this engine is designed for economy, not power. You want VTEC to kick off at around 3500 RPM I think it is.
"I Do Cars" and "The Car Care Nut" are my two favorite channels on RUclips. Thank you for all the work you put into these videos. I also get a good laugh from your humorous comments.
And here I thought R18s were unkillable.
What's the hypothesis for failure? what caused it to get chunky
At the end of the video he implies it was oil starvation or low oil when he reminds us to check and change our oil. I'm on the fence myself... everything looked pretty good until that bottom end. Something sure made those rod bearings go bad fast and that's generally lack of lubrication.
I suspect that there was some neglect involved here....
That reminds me of the first thrown-rod engine I ever saw. Long (long) time ago, I was 14 I think. it was a relatively new Rover P6 and it poked the rod out of the side of the block and impaled the starter. We struggled to get that off......
It looks like a small block V8 camshaft in that 4 pot.
Never seen a single overhead cam with 16 valves like that, that head looks really busy
It has a 5th lobe for each cylinder.
Ah yes, my beloved R18A1
I have had 4 cars with these engines in them. None had this issue. I still have a 2008 that is going strong. I hope this never happens to it. I love these engines, and I will depend on them for years to come
Fantastic viewing as always. Every Sunday with you resets my mental health for the week ahead. Many thanks Eric
A porous block that seeps coolant? I've never heard of that before, interesting. I think the rod from #4 might be the most bent rod you've ever had on this channel...and yeah, when that engine went boom, I'm sure it sounded like heavy artillery fire under the hood
I watched a guy build a 427 with a new iron block that wept a lot po of oil at the galleys in the back. A new $4k block with a year wait.
Mitsubishi 4N1 diesel had a bad batch of blocks
Cadillac HT4100 had the same problem. They had special tablets to put in the coolant to seal any holes. The same stuff would work fine for one of these. Bars leaks radiator seal tablets.
With exit wounds like that, you need to name one DMX and the other Steven Seagal.
😂
Here Lies R18 Water Pump
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Here’s my theory:
Grandma only ever used her little Civic to go to church on Sundays until Timmy, her grandson, got his driver’s licence and asked to borrow her car. “Of course, Timmy. Be careful on the road.”
Timmy turns the corner out of grandma’s street and waits until he’s out of earshot then punches the accelerator! Within minutes he’s calling grandma asking if he should call a tow truck.
As a mechanic myself, I can tell you these are one if the best engines ever made ny honda, along with the one from 88 civics, 1.5 L. The Toyota 4 cylinder 2.0 L is also a beast. The problem is simple lack of maintenance. Other engines like the eco tec from Ford and Chevy, even with maintenance they tend to blow up, timing chain guides snapped, etc because of their design.
What a blow out. So good. Love your work. Very addictive channel you have here 😁
Ah the IR Power Socket. I'm jealous, sir!
My brother has one of these engines in his '07 Civic, Eric, perhaps he'd like that rod piece, just in case.
Since you chucked the waterpump away already.
Eric, your commentary when do these vids is awesome. Props to you. 👍👍
Glad to see you’ve added the weighted socket to your inventory. That design can also be used for really stuck 19mm lug nuts
I can tell you what happened to this engine. 20k extended drain intervals with an STP filter and SuperTech conventional oil. Looking at the carbon buildup on top of the pistons, they should’ve been filling up at Shell, Mobil, or BP instead of Kwik E Mart.
Shouldn’t we all though?
My thoughts exactly.
They pretty much only die when they pitch a rod out the side, not bad if you think about it.
At 22:32
"Hope I don't hurt the crankshaft...."
The Sarcasm is strong with this one!!....
Personally have seen quite a few of these engines returned as cores with broken rods, I’ve suspected that the rods in these engines just aren’t that strong. Funny to see large portions of rod #3 be evicted by rod #4, bending itself in the process. Lastly I’m pretty sure that one intake valve being further open then the other is done on purpose to induce swirl in the incoming air fuel charge before Vtec kicks in yo.
Good evening Eric. Port and starboard side exit holes and part of a rod outside the engine a definite positive start to this video.
The most amazing thing to me was that most of the parts of the engine kinda stayed inside the engine. Almost as if the parts didn't notice the holes through which they could make a bid for freedom.
My 2017 civic coups engine must be gleaming. Frequent oil changes and I always stomp on it merging and hit low earth orbit on the outer belt. 6am an hardly any cars. Left lane and go for throttle up.
I'm from Chile, I really enjoy your videos, keeps me entertained and educated. Thanks
Besides, you look a lot like Adam Sandler😀😀
Honda engines definitely do blow up really good. Enjoy watching these videos every Saturday night. I think the worst one I've seen on the channel was that Subie one where none of the rods and pistons survived.
Totally. That was a tragic work of art. It should live on as a cautionary tale. Never once did that scenario exist in the realm of possibilities in my mind. I wouldn't have thought it was possible.
we gotta get a 3800 on this channel but either way love the Honda content Good Job
It's actually looks like something that would happen when people turbocharge a r18 because those rods cannot handle boost and this is exactly what happens whenever you add boost
Love your videos! Still hoping you can tear down a 1.8 out of a 2016 Chevy Sonic, and a 2.4 SRT4 engine out of a 2003 PT Cruiser GT that has the aluminum intake setup on it. As usual another great video!
"Another perfect looking guide"....clatter...🤣🤣.
Got 1.8 petrol no problems 152,000 miles will go same again they run for ever
Good evening
You should tear down a high mileage vw tdi motor. I regularly see them with 3, 4, 500 thousand miles on them.
Dual sight glass for checking oil level.
Good morning from UK
I always stay up ( 2am ) to watch 👍
I see that the magical bearing fairy paid you another visit.... not as giving of spreading forbidden glitter everywhere as in the past .... but nonetheless your detective work has exposed the expansive network of malice in combustion palaces across many makes and models in the land of rings even opening portals to crankcases everywhere.😂 keep up the good work....definitely enjoy the content
4 minutes in, my guess is someone 2-3-2’d the engine. Rod let go and engine stopped before it managed to shed metal throughout the oil system. Saw this happen with an S2000 back in the day, starter had a whole connecting rod impaled through it.
As always, best video of my week
Thanks so much for doing the R18! If it wasn't for the chicken bone rods, these could handle quite a bit of power.
Yes, like your other videos, I enjoyed. Thank you Sir
4:33 That cylinder is likely mid-way through it’s intake stroke. VTEC in these R18s are designed for economy so the “mild cam” is actually reducing the lift of one valve to generate swirl for low rpm situations.
Liked your new tool! Torque multiplier?
Loved the teardown this week, especially the little tidbit with the crank pulley and "Italian tune-up", never heard that before 😂 keep it up! Asking again for a 3RZ if you're ever able to find one.
I will never buy a used civic. You just know that it was driving by a heavy footed person probably from PR. They try to treat it like a v8 and make them sound like they have an exhaust system that is addicted to X-lax
😂 Ageed!
Can you tear down a Seadoo Rotax 1630 Supercharged engine?