Better than a K Swap? (More than a Si killer!)
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- 8th Gen Civic Swap Options: L15B, K20C or J35
By Brian Gillespie and Aaron Gaghagen
Our R18 to K series swapped 8th gen Civic was a blast, but we were wondering if there were other options that would give us more. Looking more horsepower and torque stock lead us to a couple of newer turbo Honda engines and one "big block" V6. The K20C, L15B and J35 all are available with manual transmission and that is what we're looking for.
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Jseries is the most interesting one
Possibly the simplest too.
J swap all the way
What does it weigh vs the K20c?
J swap for sure
@@nickwagner2284 the j is ruff 300 pounds no trans
I vote for the j series. Definitely different in a way. I'm excited to see mounts for all of them in time.
J series all the way... Not a fan of the newer direct-injection turbo motors at all.. They are a snoozefest and lame.
@Daniel McTavish J-sus 6-6 motor for thy honda lord.
@Daniel McTavish Dont preach others in someone else his name.
That is a real sin....
J series would be really cool. The L15 and K20c are both a bit "exotic" right now. Not really easy to come by for cheap. J series are everywhere. That's a much more attainable power plant, in my mind. Would also love to see a track-built 4th gen Odyssey. Track minivans are the untapped content well of RUclips :)
I really like the idea of the L15
I bought a first gen fit L15 last year for 450 plus tax from a reputable salvage yard locally... They exist but the cars themselves don't seem to die.
Also I agree, j series are fascinating. When I found out my j35a8 had fractured rod caps, piston squirters, and cross bolt main caps, I was surprised and impressed. Well built that thing is
I'd love a manual transmission in my 06 odyssey
It's cheap if you get it through auction. You just need a lot of patience to find the right one .
Please do the j35! Would be super cool to see it come together.
I’m gonna vote for the J series, the lack of J swaps for EP3/EM2/RSX/FA5 etc, is very surprising, I’d wager the community would very much support a “group buy” of mounts to enable these swaps, k20c and l15b are cool, but not readily accessible as the J’s are
J in an ep3, I'd love to see it. Small turbo on a k20 could come close to the torque feel and be muuuch simpler to get running (and potentially make significantly more power), but the j would be an excellent motor in the ep3.
I put a j32a with 6 sp manual in a es3 civic 2005 that came with d17a and cvt transmission
@@randyvlo5627 wth how??? You got pictures on social media or sum? How hard was it? I got a 2002 civic coupe I was thinking bout doing a k swap on with a ep3 sub frame but that sounds more interesting
@@randyvlo5627 We never got the Civic ES3 here in America, but I'm sure the ES1/ES2 we got would be very similar if not identical.
V6 all the way!
J series all the way. 260ish HP and really smooth. That would be a cool build
It really is smooth too.
276hp *
And they put 255-260 at the wheel
So yeah, underrated
@markzieg2425 If remember correctly, japanese manufacturers have a "Gentleman's Agreement" and will only rate their engines at a set HP. It's been a long while since I've kept up with any Japanese stuff so I don't remember what that number is.
I don’t thing the gentlemen’s agreement is a thing anymore the newer gtr, nsx and other high horse cars are all way over 276hp
@@davidvaughn7778 it could be, the J35Z3 was in dev since the early 2000s, and in many ways its just a tuned and bored J30 which dates back to the mid 90s. It's the closest Honda ever came to making a big block motor. Single Cam 3.5L V6 revving to 7000rpm is borderline scary. A lot of spinning mass
All I'm sayin l saying is the J37z which is 0.2L bigger and went in Acuras had 40+ hp for 0.2L and the accord 6-6s had transmissions that are 97% effecient...
Or the spec sheet is underrated. Those 3500lbs accord coupes were hitting 60 in 5.6s in 2008. That was fast, not just quick
The J would sound the best without question, but I'd take a K20C4 in my 9th-gen Si (which I think is very similar to the 8th-gen).
9th gen is k24 I thought lol
@@Gemi4900 it is a k24
J series for sure, but definitely cool to see the options as I have one of these and not many people do engine swaps on them
Now that he has posted this video they will lol. Funny thing about the web is someone can throw up a video about something. and the fan boys come lurkin and the prices sky rocket. Makes it hard on us who dont have Daddys wallet or sell Drugs lmao
J series would be awesome to see in an 8th gen. I never thought a v6 would fit in those tiny cars
It’s been done several times
People be swapping it into eg’s
Ive seen j swaps in crxs
K20c mounts!!! I feel it's the best an upcoming future swap
J series swap, simply because it's harder to do and find done well.
It would be fun!
The J swap is definitely the way in this case. I can't wait to see how well it performs in the 8th gen.
Im planning to swap a j35/j37 in to a early Porsche 924. They are so underrated, basically JDM muscle.
That will be a killer setup.
@@VTECAcademy yes it will
I plan on getting a second first gen rx7 as a roller to slap a j series into (rods, closed deck, turbo combination), & turn it into a rally esc street car, I think I'm going to go with the red adapter for the 350z trans & a Ford 9" set-up built for a fox body, with fox body/sn95 coilovers/spindles/hubs up front with custom tubular long travel A arm & foxbody coilovers in the rear with custom tubular 4 link bars in the rear that have heim joint ends for better articulation & adjustability.
Nah bruh, jdm muscle is a vk56
@@arman757 If you mean as muscle having bad power vs displacement ratio like us engines then you are absolutely correct.
J series is so underrated. That would be the direction I would go.
K20C all day. Personally owned the L series motor in my SI and had nothing but issues with it. It’s a shame Honda even released it to replace the previous K series in most civics.
Feel the exact same way. You spend a lot of coin to make a reliable 350whp with the L15 when the k20c4 is within shooting distance of that with flex fuel and tune. Not to mention the way better low-end torque.
@@darkknight097 yup exactly. I sold my si for an accord with the c4. It’s such a good motor with crazy amounts of torque. Plus I don’t have to worry about reliability with it like the L series. I don’t think the L is ever going to catch on for being a go to swap.
@@huntrusso what year accord exactly are we talking about I own an 07 civic SIFA5 I want to get another one but maybe I’ll get an accord instead
@@bryce_fa5si I have a 2019 with the 2.0t
Would love to swap the l15b in my 8th gen
J for sure! The carb legal aspect seems cool. L15 seems like it will have its time to shine
Is there a Manual AWD trans available for the J? Do you have to J2K, and would the k trans hold up?
2013 TL SH-AWD 6spd manual
I vote for the j series. Would love to see that swapped into this chassis, I've never saw one swapped into this chassis. I like swaps that people don't normally do and would love to see you guys do a video series on it.
I said J series last time, I'll say it again. As the owner of a manual transmission 2008 EX sedan, I would love to shoehorn a v6 under the hood. I'd also like to see an AWD converted 8th gen 👍🤙
my 2008 ex manual trans. coupe has a blown 1.8. This J looks nice to me but would my manual trany match ? I doubt it
@@hoobered1232 I would almost guarantee that it wouldn't fit. 🚫
@@colinbowers8813
yup I realize that thanks
J35 will be the most widely available to swap in it. I say j35
J35s are the cheapest engine compared to the newer ones. It's the transmissions that sometimes take a bit to find decently priced.
J series first for sure. So many of them engines available and I’d love to see the numbers it puts out when it’s done
Swap the j series.
It looks like the one here that we gotta do next.
I’d like to see a j swap plus they sound so nice singing vtec
I like the L15 idea, since its the next generation swap (in my opinion).
For sure the future. They put that in so many cars like the K.
I think that job is going to go to the k20c4.
The L15s are laughably weak when making anything more than 300whp/300wtq.
And the cost to make more than 350whp shoots up exponentially as you run into fueling limits
Head gaskets L15b
@@darkknight097 finally someone talking real shit
i had one in a 10th gen SI and i absolute loved it, i think this would be a great swap for many Honda's. With the peak torque coming in so low it feels like a mini V8. I know it doesn't have V tech and its a lower rpm motor but they are going to be cheep, plentifully and they love mods with a huge aftermarket support.
Might as well get ahead of the curve with the new L15 swap
While the J's are cheap and plentiful.. the 6MT for a J is not easy to come by.
For that reason, I'd vote for the L15b7. They can make great numbers with tuning, although they are kind of a boring engine.
Better off k series then right
j series would be fun i know personally im still waiting till 9th gen mounts start becoming more common place but been debating getting an 8th gen as a fun project soon.
L15B - less weight, more potential in future, easy to increase power with turbo.
I want to see what l15 will run like and how hard will it be to convert
For a street car I say J series. Track car K20c. Thanks for all your videos!
And possibly the L15B for certain race classes where lower displacement would carry less of a penalty? Hmm...
Jay all day.....no replacement for displacement.....would be cool to see the harder route taken
would like to see a frankenstein j series, there’s a lot on the forums of how they make a lot of power but no videos on youtube over than basic bolt on accords
j all the way - rpm systems
I'm a sucker for J ❤️
Where do you sell the mounts? I was following the l15 Dc2 build and would love to see how it mounts and gets wired?
hasportperformance.com/
The DC2 project got put on hold, but we have another L15B swap in the shop which will serve as R&D for the Integra.
Love it..keep it coming. This is like drugs for motorheads🤣🤣
Ahahaha! Get your fix, mannnnn.
Does the transmissions from L and k swap out?
J mounts for 5th gen accord please 😭 I’d love to do a k20c1 but it would be a stretch for a company to make mounts for an accord since the market isn’t all that big compared to civics
jseries
L or J would be great, but what I really want to see... Get a 5th gen Prelude and drop that k20c4 in with a LSD transmission. PLEASE MAKE THAT HOW TO VIDEO! And if you can figure out how to make it CARB compliant, I'll drop a brick in my britches
You know that RUclips comments are legally binding.
@@VTECAcademy if you make a Full, in Depth How-To video for "Everything you need and everything you need to know to put a k20c in your 5th gen Prelude AND make it CARB compliant". I, a grown man, will absolutely DESTROY my trousers. If you need video confirmation of that, I'll do it, but I think that says more about you than it does me 🤣. I'm honestly not excited about the fact you might take me up on this offer, but if it means I can save thousands of dollars DIY instead of paying someone to do it for me... 🤷 How much are a pair of pants and my dignity really worth? In this economy, not much. I'm broke AF, if I can get a Prelude roller for cheap(yes, I can) and an Accord Engine for a reasonable price(yeah, probably). Then that's pretty much my dream build. Preludes are absolutely INCREDIBLE cars, the chassis and suspension is only rivaled by the NSX. The Achilles heel is the engine, the H22 is fragile at best, plagued with oil burning from crap piston rings and breaking piston skirts left and right. With a k20c and a 6 speed LSD trans, it'd be GLORIOUS!
You are going to save us 8th gen Si people here in Brazil! We dont have performance K available anymore. J35 is super cool, but as you say, I think L15 is the future. Thanks for your videos and everything! :)
I like the L15 & the K20C1 swap 4my 2008 Honda Element SC. I plan on upgrading to an EPS rack& pinion 2clear the engine bay of hydraulics. I plan on electrifying the HVAC to a heat pump.
I didn't c u discuss locating the A/C compressor on either unit.
J series would be neat
As someone who’s been spending over a year trying to get a j-series swap in my Miata, I have to give everyone a fair and advanced warning that it’t not an easy swap at all. I’ve needed a remanufactured intake manifold, an engine rebuild, a new flywheel, and dozens of other parts. I hope to get my car this weekend, but I don’t have my fingers crossed. Not saying not to do it, but there’s no such thing as an “easy swap”. Good luck to all builders out there
You're up against a lot more issues than this swap would be. No matter which generation Miata you have, you're going FWD engine to RWD car. V6 engine to I4 chassis. Even different manufacturers which might have different electrical connections and mean that all your sensor wires need new connectors...if you're even trying to use any of the factory harness at all. It would be nice to have a little more pep in the Miata though!
@@greasebeardsgarage You have no idea how many issues I've had, lol. I'd bought a kit from Minitec thinking that it would be a fairly simple swap, but it's been anything but. Hopefully it will be done soon, however.
@@greasebeardsgarage
I saw a sweet GM 3800 power train swap from a Camaro into a Miata . Absolute torque beast . Low RPM Torque and HP . Exhaust note was exquisite.and throaty growl without being being overly loud .
@@joldsaway3489 nice build. I’m doing a swap with a j series into a Honda del sol.
Sounds like you also bought a bad engine…. That’s a difficulty factor you caused
I want to see them all!
Us too!
We're a little biased being we specialize in the J...but a J32A3 in that little car would book. We made 320whp/265wtq with ours, our PnP intake system, our HLP stage 2 cams, stock heads, FBO basically with small 2.5" dual mufflers dual resonators CBE and street tuned on Hondata. We easily walked Tuned bolt on 10th Gen Accord Turbos and that was in our 3400lb 7th Gen Accord. Like I said, were a little biased here LOL
J series
Damn the beginning should've been the fast and the furious "WE HAVE NO ENGINES"
For 8th gen I would vote J series, some out of the ordinary.
For own project:
For weight benefits and usable power I would vote L15, to me perfect in EC ED EE EF.
For the sake of easy to find and bang for bucks J in 8th gen like I said.
K20C is very very expensive, tried to source a front clip, forget it! Might as well just buy a K20C Type R.
I wanna do a j series swap in my em1 but I'd like to get a general idea how much it's gonna cost
The j
We agree!
I vote K series but THIS IS AWESOME I OWN AN 8th GEN AND I'VE WONDERED ABOUT MOTOR SWAPS THIS VIDEO IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TY TY TY TY TY TY TY!!!
jseries
Hell yeah!
J swap the world v6 swap ftw, the 3.2 and 3.5 from the type S will boogy in something lighter then the TL . Nvm supercharging it that'd be sick
I'm torn between the L and J. I've been wanting to see an L series in a em2 for a while now, but J series is just so rad of an engine.
J would have some gnarly induction noise too
The k20t is what I want in my em2 😁
I vote J series! That would be super awesome in this chassis!
J series please. I have J35 swapped Nissan Sentra B17 and I have been gunning this ride daily for over 5 years after the swap, and my friend just did it in his Toyota VIOS too! We need more Js!
J series!
Hell yeah!
@VTEC Academy j35 gonna feel a lot nicer to drive slowly because of TQ but I feel like this video is trying to say the engines are near each other. The j series is awesome but it has downsides. 1 VETC cam and hardly any mod support. I like H because they rip them tires
J-Series V6 please!!! I’ve seen enough of 4-cylinder Honda swaps to last for centuries.
J series! love the 3.5 v6!
We gotta do it.
I have a wonderfully running 8th gen si and a ze1 insight. Please give me a reason (any engine really but I miss my 10 gen type r) to swap it. And consequently the insight.
I would love to see a J series in an 8th gen
Here is my question. I have a 2020 Sport Sedan with a K20C2 and 6 speed manual. What about a K20C4 from a 2018 accord 2.0? Would give me 100hp more.
Yes, the K20C4 would make more power than the K20C2.
@@VTECAcademy but do you think k20c2 got potential?
I vote for the k20c that always intrigues me. I think it would fit but it would turn the car into an absolute unit.
J series would be so sleeper imagine hearing that with vtec and exhaust I wonder how it would handle in time attack
L15 is common in the junkyard and I think its the average garage enthusiast's choice. makes reasonable power and lots of torque while also being pretty economical. not that many downsides to it when you want to keep the power levels relatively low
In the middle on doing one now.. into a ek civic..
@@rogermoore9225update on this?
The j would be nice but it come down to the Manuel transmission which one has the most available
I will admit the J series would be a really cool wild swap but I'm really digging the L15. How nice would it be to have a later gen motor in an 8th gen body? Def a head turner.
Not worth the headache or cost that is trying to extract more than 400whp. Speaking from experience
Get those mounts designed for all three I got a 8th gen si that I’m keeping forever and I’d try all three platforms over the years for sure
I speak for us all when I say J series is what we wanna see. Me having an 8th gen sedan, and wanting to see this done would be a huge inspiration and a good foot path to follow.
Speak for yourself buddy lol (also an fa5 owner)
Do the k20c4 lots of wrecked accords out there
The future will be fun… id like to see a k20c2 build to see if there’s potential Because then L15, k20c4, k20c2 all the current engines will be able to swapped in whatever and for low prices
The J would be a marvelous pick! I can see why you’ve been wanting to do it, I didn’t think It could work or fit that well but man definitely will hold on to my 8th gen for this one day
J swap it.......all the inline 4s are going to be easy to do plus it will be awesome different
My vote is for the J swap, I really like the simplicity and reliability of those engines compared to the newer ones and I think it will probably be the quickest and most fun to drive since it has so much torque available instantly with no turbo lag. No replacement for displacement. And obviously a J series will be way easier to find and cheaper.
We need more ppl talking casually bout this stuff cause it ain’t that hard
K20c all day , owned a tl type s , now an fk8 , prefer the response of the k20c… to each their own
I wanna see a J series swap. If yours works for you then I'm gonna drop one in mine. I never even had the slightest thought of a j series in a 8th gen
You want to do the J series, I want you to do the J series.
Therefor WE want you to do the J series.
What are your goals with this car ? If you want power, tune-ability, track runs, then the k20C is where it’s at.
Skip the J35, less parts and less room as you mentioned. Good luck and keep us posted.
J swap! I was wondering why nobody makes kits it’s such a pleasant engine
The L15 can make up to 300hp/tq on factory head studs. If you upgrade head studs and gasket you can reliably hit 425hp 450-460 TQ but you need a new cam shaft and high pressure fuel pump and injectors and many more upgrades like turbo, CAI, intercooler, possibly radiator, Clutch/flywheel, big brake kit, stabilization hardware .etc Looking around 6-10 grand in aftermarket parts but one hell of a car.
J series to make immediate power but L15 is just a fun engine to mod in my opinion.
We want to have one of each. We can't afford it, but we want it!
J series for sure. There’s no replacement for displacement!
Of course the J will fit, we have one with the mounts in our 9th gen Civic woohoo Hasport
Oh yeah
@@VTECAcademy fits “like a glove”
Go J series 💪🏾🔥🔥🔥🔥
J is coolest but the k looks like the most bang for the buck by far
First install the J...and then the Accord engine.
J series all day if it fits in the coupe then it should fit in the sedan 😁
I'd like a j for my sw21 or rps13
(1.) K20C, or (2.) J35 w/EPS and sub-variant J35 w/EPS and AWD 😎😎
Well that escalated quickly!
J35 swap will pull a premium on race day 😂
J series!
Given me ideas for my 7th gen accord
I wish I had the money and shop to do this man damn this is a pipe dream for me
Which one would you do?
J32 V6 swap
J-series first for sure. Especially if it can be made to be carb legal.
Do the J-series and make it AWD!
J series and k20c ,both would be cool to see in a lighter civic.
I have been dreaming about the J seires swap for a long time, it would also be the best option at the moment.
It's been said before but J Series all the way. I personally love the torque on these motors. I had them both J and K series currently have a 05 RSX-S and taking delivery of my brand new 23 Si next month.
Nice and congrats on the new Si👍🏿🙌🏿
J 3.5 is the smart choice 👌.
How does a California car owner legally swap a K motor into a civic and get it smog legal? I would love to put one in my 04 civic ex coupe 5 speed. Without being smog legal, I will never do it.
We haven't done it yet, but it should be similar to getting a B series BAR'd in an EG or EK.