I have my Gpa's 86 Suburban with its original 454cid with 594,000 miles...! Only on its second th400, but the engine and 12-bolt rear end are original, never rebuilt...!!! Maintenance matters...!!!
@@RandomPerson-su3xg I saw a fellow doing an in frame overhaul on a truck in the parking lot of a truck stop, had a UHaul trailer for tools etc, the head was standing on end beside the truck when I drove by
Super long shot that’s my old engine. But I had an ‘03 Civic that I commuted to work with (77 miles one way) and drove it like it was stolen everyday. Sat at 4500 rpm doing 80+ on the long highways. Got up to 240,000 miles and then sold it for cheap. And before they could get it into their name at the dmv, it was rear ended and totaled in 2019. This is strikingly sounding like it 😂
@@matthewkinney5474 These do have VIN tags. It's a green tag on the drivers side of the block right above the oil pan on the back side. Actually, as far as I know, every US market Honda engine and transmission has had a VIN tag somewhere on it since 1996.
As a Honda tech from that era , those were great engines , they didn't blow head gaskets until they were abused and overheated , the same with oil burning
Mine lost the head gasket at 235k km and was never abused never overheated bought new. . Didn't burn much oil. replaced head gasket ran it to around 450k km. lost gasket again
There was actually no need for that since there were no signs of damage and he was confident they would all be fine. But yeah, I always laugh when he performs it.
Urk.... How about a Chrysler Slant-6 from a northern (salted) climate. Cracked exhaust manifold, aftermarket 2-barrel intake manifold. In the end, I took the head off to get to the lower manifold nuts. Love the Slant-6, the only hard part to work on is those intake/exhaust shared nuts and wedges.
I hate changing my oil filter more, bud. The placement was absolutely horrible, between the firewall and the engine, on top of the drive axles, and below the intake manifold. No access unless you take the wheel off and contort yourself in that gap.
@@RhombusProductions The little v6 in the 2002 Chevy Tracker I had was like that. There was a specific route you had to take in order to snake your arm up in between the front cross member and the driver side exhaust manifold to get to the oil filter on the side of the engine. Any other way you couldn't fit your arm in nor were you getting the filter out. Being that it was a used vehicle when I got it the front cross member was a mess of caked on dirt and oil. So avoiding touching a new & freshly oiled oil filter gasket on the crud pile was like mission impossible. But I managed anyway.
@@RhombusProductions and some people still insist that all hondas are easy to work on lol 😂. Absolutely hate it when a job that's usually and should be straightforward like changing an oil filter, becomes an annoying and time consuming process.
@RhombusProductions Eh, it wasn't the worst, I figured out that you could give it the reach around from the top side to get it. Two cars later my wife had a mini, I had to pull the coolant reservoir and snake the cartidge and cap for the oil filter down past the mess of hoses, was way worse, and always made a mess.
Looking back and comparing them to other engines from their time, the original Honda D and B series engines were absolute gems of efficiency and simplicity.
My dad owned a Transmission Shop, he had more that 1,000 rebuilt units ready to rock/roll but you reminded me of my dads place b/c he bought at great prices & we'd go pick them up but when his shop was slow he'd make the builders jump onto all the units filling the shelves. Builders are a unique group, especially the good ones & there's different ways to pay them but no matter which method my dad didn't care b/c he knew what these units would be worth down the road & he bought a lot of hard to get expensive units & didn't care how many sat on a shelf. After he passed was when I realized the value of all those transmissions.... even the core units were fairly valuable but all those rebuilt one were gold >> so many shops needed them b/c I guess it's hard to find good builders; Or good mechanics as well. Thanks man, reminding me of a past time..... that was good. Got you on speed dial. peace
One of my favorite things is that it seems with simple, 4cyl engines like this, Eric seems to have more fun/time to throw in some more wit and silly edits. They are all appreciated and entertaining - thanks for that!
Yeah wish he could get a 2nd gen 2000ish Nissan Micra engine in, its what one of relatives has used as a daily driver for more than 2 decades. But i've no idea how common those where in the US.
@@darthkarl99 The Micra was never sold in the US. It was, however, sold in Canada from 2013 to 2019ish. We even had a Micra Cup - a race series dedicated to this car! I still see them all the time, althouh rust will eventually kill them all.
With good maintenance and just general care and attention, Hondas are faithful and dependable cars. You look after them, and they’ll look after you. One of my favourite automotive brands.
My brother and his wife bought a 2005 Civic LX new. About 10 years later, at 130k miles, it had been leaking or burning oil (probably both), and he had a vague notion of this, but no understanding of the consequences. Rarely/never checked the oil. They ran it dry, of course, and it was condemned by the shop with very nasty rod knock. He gave it to a handy brother-in-law who replaced the engine and then it was promptly crashed by another family member and totaled out. A short, hard life for that car. I rarely see this vintage of Civic on the roads anymore, despite being a high-volume seller. I see far more mid-2000s Corollas running around.
I have an 05 that I absolutely love and it's been in the family since 06. It has about 284K miles and it's still daily driven very reliably, but to be honest, it would have been scrapped years ago by almost anyone else. It was totaled by my grandma twice and rebuilt by me both times, its on its 2nd engine, and I swapped it from auto to 5 speed when the transmission died at around 240K. Objectively, my 357K mile 97 Civic has been much more trouble free. It's still on the original engine, transmission, suspension, starter, alternator, AC system, etc with no signs of problems. Here in the Memphis area, I see way more 4th-6th gen Civics on the road than 7th gens, but for whatever reason, the 7th gens are way easier to find in junkyards than the way more common 6th gens. 7th gen Accords and 8th gen Civics are still quite plentiful here though.
@@petesmittI had a 2002 Pontiac Aztek. I sold it to a young single mother (cheap) with 317,000 miles on the original engine and starter. Original transmission made it to 246,000 miles and original alternator made it to 285,000 miles.
I had one of these. Yes, it is true. Head gasket was passing some exhaust gas at 145K+ miles in cooling system pushing coolant into overflow tank. Replaced gasket, drove it for a couple more years with no issues. Little trick, you don't have to unbolt intake manifold - remove it with the cylinder head. Otherwise, it was a pretty reliable little car.
@@stoneyj1a1 Never. When I sold that Civic with ~175K miles transmission was fine: no issues, no gears grinding or slipping, original clutch and throw out bearing. 😉
@joesmith7377 when bolting the head back on, did you install the intake manifold to the head first before dropping the head back on? Or did you put the head on and then bolt on the intake?
@@CarsandCoding I did not remove intake manifold. The exhaust leak was tiny, so I took my chances and replaced head gasket only. I did not take the head to the machine shop. But if I did, I would install intake manifold first. Also, my intake was aluminum, not plastic like here. 2001 Civic.
@@joesmith7377thanks for the reply! I think when I do mine I will take it to the machine shop... I really just want to lift and swap the gasket but I also don't want to do this again...
OK as an owner of 2 different Hondas with the LEB engine and one 1989 Honda motorcycle I am very pleased to see that this 300k-miles Civic engine is basically mint. Thanks for taking apart, for the first time, an engine relevant to me!
Basically mint? The bearings are pretty heavily worn, there's zero signs of any crosshatching left in the cylinders, and from what he said, the top rings had no tension. I'm sure it still ran, but judging by the carbon on the valves, it probably used quite a bit of oil and likely had low compression.
@@averyalexander2303 sure, but with basic maintenance (checking and adding some oil from time to time) and smart driving (no cold abuse or over revving it) it could have just kept working without a problem for many more thousands miles. Only if it lacks oil or if it overheats it would actually fail massively.
@@FranNDR I agree, but to me, "basically mint" is a little different than "it's heavily worn, has a blown head gasket, and goes through oil like there's no tomorrow, but will probably still last a while if you baby it and top off the oil and coolant constantly".
I lived next to a guy in an apartment complex who owned a civic of this vintage. He drove it .... let's just say "enthusiastically" He had a case of head gaskets in the trunk, and in true Southern fashion, would change it (shirtless) in the apartment complex parking lot every time it blew.
I bet you loved watching him get all sweaty wrenching on his clapped out civic! I bet his sweat would just run down his cheeseburger belly hair and he would fart out bush light smelling farts for you.
Reminds of my 2006 Civic. 380000 km / 236000 mi, pick your flavour. Besides oil & filter changes, it cost me $600.00 Cdn. After a trip thru the Rockies, fully loaded, at top speed, with a Jillian miles on the car already, it developed a taste for oil. Now, top speed in the Rockies varies somewhat. On the way west, it was the new highway. Long uphill pulls passing traffic, not in top gear. 100-120kph (60-70mph). Going East, it was the old highway. Same loaded car, but in a hurry. There are places where a person can pass, but you gotta go all in. You need to select the gear you need to select. If the retired gentleman in front of you notices the attempt to pass, he'll race you. So, you ease up slowly, and give it all the pony gears at the first opportunity. Then brake, because when the sign says slow, you slow. You're above the clouds, but the shoulder is a long drop below the clouds. Next time you see a cool cloud, imagine driving out that cloud. Anyway, I kept feeding the engine oil, and years later, a hail storm wrecked the car.
2006+ Civics had completely different engine, R-series. Early production R18 equipped Civics (2006-2009) were infamous for engine block crack due to flaw in casting. American Honda extended the warranty of the R18 engine block to 10 years from the original date of purchase, with no mileage limit.
I had one of these back in the day. It indeed blew a head gasket at 170k miles, but other than that it went 250k miles with no other problems and it was still going strong when I got rid of the car so theres that.
Have a 2001 Odyssey w/J30 in the driveway. Has 367k on the clock and runs like a sewing machine. Heck, I might make 4 timing belts at this pace! Amazing product! (full disclosure, I'm on my 3rd tranny, Lol, so, not perfect mind you)
Every day can't be Shabbat. LOL.... I just released my own video; Thursday nights get good subscriber traffic on Friday mornings. Eric is mostly entertainment for car guys, mine is mostly entertainment for people considering what to BBQ over the weekend. Thursday evening release, Friday views. I'm guessing Eric's views are mostly automotive shops and garages kind of winding down for the weekend. Mine are mostly people getting into weekend mode. One video a week is a hell of a lot of work. I would imagine that Eric has a full-time employee doing the editing. He's not live multicamera the way I run, but I bet it's a whole pile of re-takes. Just organizing the raw video files is like organizing all the parts during an engine rebuild. Eric's channel is amazing. And funny.
Eric needs FAMILY time and he does the tear downs at night time after hours... I am so grateful to get 2 videos in a week... He does a great job with picking out different engine type each week... It's not like he does only v8s or v6s etc.... I cant wait to a 3 cylinder when he finds a KEI car engine... 660 cc's
I miss my family's old 97 Civic. I have fond memories of rebuilding it with my dad as a teenager. It was stolen 3 times in it's life and the last time was for good, chopped in a bordertown back yard probably. Our 88 Suburban suffered a worse fate and was burned in the desert after being used for running substances. The southwest is unforgiving to civilized life.
small world. Had a 2002 Civic back in Atlanta, managed to run the engine with a blown head gasket for a year. they're dinky little engines, but they run.
D series engines were such good engines to own. They are easy to work on, robust, and fun to drive with a manual gearbox. We've had a couple in the family, and they performed well for a long long time. For something that's going to be driven - a lot - it's hard to go wrong with one of these.
10:09 love those reversible gear wrenches that have double sizes. Also love the Honda D series engines. Truly a half or million mile engine is driven appropriately and maintained.
Those old Honda motors were so good ... except when overheated! I've had so many clients overheat their old Honda motors. No temp gauge on most, just a dummy light! Thanks for the video. Great stuff to watch!
After today's performance Blue definitely deserves a payrise. Piston test hammer, on the other hand, needs to be put on notice to work harder. Blue had to step in to help so many times, it was embarrassing.
Really enjoyed my first car which was a 02 Civic EX with a SOHC VTEC which I didn’t know much about Honda engines at the time and only thought VTEC engines were dual cams. Loved that civic even though it was an auto.
WOW Eric,premature or what,😱 And hello from the UK,as a engine builder about 1978, I have become addicted to your channel and the back catalogue, I'm thinking of starting a water pump appreciation society,any body else interested 😡 But seriously Eric brilliant content Is it possible to do a autopsy on a MK 2 focus ST/RS focus, same Volvo engine but tweaked in the RS, already looking forward to the next video
While a used water pump might almost always be a bad idea, occasionally there is a need. Maserati Biturbo water pumps are very hard to find and expensive (and meant to be changed with the cam belt). A used one can possibly be rebuilt with a new bearing.
Paccar Px7 engines at my shop use an o-ring instead of a gasket to seal the waterpump. Super super common for that ring to harden and leak but the pump is perfect. I keep a known 'good' pump on the shelf & a bag full of the orings. Leaky pump = drain rad + 5 min to remove old pump + 15 min to install self 'refurbished' pump with new ring. $8 o-ring vs $350 for a new pump + a trip to the parts store... Looks like this one is just a little harder to change though XD
So Honda Civics have been the best selling car in Canada for decades and they are common here. I bought my 2002 Acura EL (fancy Civic) with a blown head gasket and 400,000 km on the odo. Why? It had nice rims I wanted for my other Civic, and the whole car was only $100. So with basically a free car, I thought I would tinker with it a bit. Pulled the head and found a very blown gasket, and bores with vertical scoring so bad you could easily catch your finger nails. Valve seats were pitted, and guides had plenty of wear. Previous owner let a leaking water pump go, and the car was severely overheated at least twice. Anyway I put a new gasket in it and it ran just fine. Didn't burn oil either or smoke, but rattles nicely under heavy load. So some 20w50 and a light throttle took care of that. Been my winter driver for the last 8 years now and still runs fine with 430,000 km now. The summer Civic, an earlier 2000 model has a low 300,000 km in comparision and was maintained. Should be good for at least 500,000 or so...
You should be able to find that in a West coast yard. Six gen Civics are still common daily drivers where I live, on Vancouver Island. Fifth gens are getting thinner on the ground these days. Shipping a door would probably be too much $$$ anyway. My favourite driver was a '95 Si coupe which was a popular model in Canada. My kid owns it now, and still a fun car with over 400,000 km on the odo. Great cars!
Not all hondas are great. We have an 07 Odyssey van 179k and it uses a quart of oil in a week. Always had 4 to 5k oil changes with mostly mobil 1 and mobil 1 filters. We did buy it with 70k miles and the oil consumption drastically hit around 150k. Smokes as you drive it. Ive got 260k on a GMC sonoma 4.3 vortec that doesnt consume a single oz in 4k miles. Neither does my 13 ram 5.7 hemi with 140k. By far the biggest money pit vehicle ive ever owned is the 07 Odyssey. Its had almost everything replaced. Im talking 3000 worth of parts. Im shocked the transmission isnt going out.
That year range it seems like all the automakers were messing around with low tension rings for fuel economy that were way too low tension to do their job resulting in burning oil like crazy. Toyota had a huge problem with it. I had a Jeep that Chrysler said was acceptable to burn a quart every 500 miles due to the lower rings allowing oil past.
@@TheRealCaptainKlutz i also havent had an exhaust manifold bolt break. Im one of the lucky ones. The ram has been a solid vehicle for me. Ive only replaced the ball joints and a water pump on it.
The other thing I will say about these d17s. This was the start of what I would consider new honda. Alot more short sighted decisions and alot higher uptick in annoyance to service (like you said). 7th gen civic always seemed less thought out in its lay out. Alot of decision come off as "well it was cheaper"
I bought one of these brand new, 2001 LX, in late 2000, my first new car. Transmission went at 93K. otherwise it was a fun little car and looked cool. totaled at around 120K, someone hit me head on.
I actually have the V-TEC version of this engine, D17A2. I bought a 2003 Honda Civic coupe with a manual transmission a couple months ago and loved the car. I work in a shop at a dealership and noticed I was pushing coolant out of the reservoir because when I got home from driving my coolant would be on my intake. After telling one of our senior techs he told me that he has seen it a lot on these engines and that I had a head gasket issue. So I took it upon myself to do the head gasket myself to save a lot of money. I replaced the gaskets on everything that even touches the head and aside from messing up the camshaft seal I'm pretty happy knowing that I did the right thing by going through with that repair. All of that to say that this video showed me why what I did was actually important and how far this engine can go now that I've resealed everything from the valve cover to the oil pan (except the rear main seal because mine isn't leaking)
I'll add that my car has just passed 160k miles and the Carfax had oil changes every 3k miles so I'm not very concerned about any other high mileage engine damage.
I opened the RUclips to find a boring video to put me to sleep on a Thursday night. And then I see an Eric teardown video, well I guess I'm staying up for a while longer.
My shop has an 05 Civic LX with this engine. The original engine was replaced earlier this year for a BHG. Slow is definitely a word I would use to describe that car; it's worse because it's an auto (and a rather dimwitted one at that). Always starts up, though.
My 94 Civic was Hell damaged while we were on the road in the middle of nowhere Kansas. It had well over 200K on it and was still gong strong. They don't make em like they used to.
Drove mine for about 270k miles, other than the water pump going out that car was awesome. Sold it for $2500 to my friend and he still drives it to this day.
I had 06 or 07 Honda civic Reverb it was a Canadian model. The head gasket went at 70,000 km. But after it was fixed, it lasted until someone T-bone me it had 266,000 km on it still ran great when Insurance bought it off me. But like you said, the old b series engines were really reliable and easy to work on. Now I have an old H22a turbo, making 360ish to the wheel. Didn't want to push it too hard for daily driver. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
A little later than the D series here but the Honda 1.8 L R18A1 I4 has a special place in my heart. It was in my 1st car and the car I learned the bulk of my car mechanic skills.
I have an 03 with the d17a1 that only has 115k miles on it, but it was never properly maintained before i bought it, plus it sat a lot. (I just wanted a cheap civic for a daily). If it ever blew a headgasket or started having internal issues, I'd just spend $500 and replace it. No sense fixing them when there is so many of them available. Either that or I'd just k swap it but im too poor and unequipped for that.
Hi Eric, nice teardown as always, but you know what I would like to see is the ring gap in the bores as it shows the condition of the engine along with the crank bearings. Definitely a high mileage engine this little Honda. I would like to see an old Nissan 2000 to 2003 series1 QG16DE or QG18DE twin cam with NVCT as I have a QG16DE 1.6L with 348k miles on it and still running great.
I concur. Doing major repairs on a high-mileage engine isn't practical---at that point you're entering the land of diminishing returns, because everything is wearing out
I retorqued to head on a friends high milage Honda that was showing signs of the head gasket beginning to leak. We loosened each bolt one at a time then torqued them to a little over the specs. I know that's not the best way. But last time I heard, the engine was still running just fine years later.
Those ratchet wrenches are one of the best ideas in tools. My set is over 25 years old and I have yet to break one. I also like it how you remove the hose clamps then proceed to cut the hose anyway 😅😅
I'm impressed!! Engine looked remarkable @ 250k +/-. My 1990 Crx Si had a B16. Later swapped for a 1992 Civic Si D16 engine. Car total 349,000 + miles, this 1992 D16 probably close to 200k +/-. A small valve clicking, valve cover leaking oil, but still starts easily, runs & idles smoothly, 5 spd still shifts easily. Hope not to replace anything except wear item parts. Learned alot on cars with this & Haynes manual. Also running w/o the PCV hose & valve gets krappy gas mileage as a daily ( short commute ) driver.
I've had five different Accords. 1987,1994,1999,2003 and 2004. Loved them all. Only one engine failed but it was my fault. I never changed the timing belt on the 1994 and it bit me.
Once upon a time, there was a large market in rebuilt water pumps, and salvaged or defective water pumps had core value to rebuilders. I guess only the old timers remember those times.
Great engine to work on. Got the courage to replace the wp/timing belt/tensioner, etc on the wife's 16 Odyssey earlier this year. Decided to do the same on my son's 03 Civic EX. Was way easier to do than the Odyssey. Even replaced the oil pump too, since the oil pump o-ring was leaking. Very fortunate to have many Civics in teh junk yard, since the Civic was missing a lot of nuts bolts/ covers, etc.
I have a K24 out of a 2008 Honda Accord with 310k miles. She burns through oil, because of aged piston rings. A quart of oil after every 2 fill ups keeps her strong.
Unrelated engine, but my mom still daily drives her white 1990 Accord Coupe. It has those seatbelts that motor back and forth in a track and it's rad. The *metal* radio antenna also automatically extends when you turn the radio on. I don't know how many miles it has now, but it had 140,000 miles on it in 2001 when I got married.
I'm doing a low-budget rebuild of a D17 and all I need to finish it is a water pump preferably used. Not everyone is well-off enough to pay premium prices.
The intensely passive aggresive act of removing the clamp before cutting the hose. Absolutely love it.😂 Edit: What? No science today? And you call yourself a professional? Shame. Shame on you.
Good job! Now do a VW/Audi 2.8L V6 from a 99-05 Passat/A4. I gotta do the timing belt on mine and it looks properly overly/unnecessarily complicated, it should be a fun one. Thanks for all the videos, keep up the good work. We need you, we love you and we want you to succeed at every endeavor you choose to endure. ;)
I had one of the first versions of that terminal slug engine in my '94 Audi 90 Sport Quattro. Traded in my '87 4000 Quattro for it. You'd think 170 hp would run away from 115, but the car had ballooned in weight by at least 500 lbs, yet had a rock-hard ride. A more useless car I've never bought. 20 years of Audis, not reliable but nice to drive, then that stinker. Only had it on a two-year lease, thank god. Then my pal buys its replacement, the '98 A4. Now there was even more trash. Some crazy German re-invented the front suspension with two separate upper links on the uprights. They fought each other geometrically, and were in constant need of replacement -- utter hell for him. Despite what Eric goes on about here, I went Subaru, and compared to Audi, they were a paragon of dependability. Less than $1,000 in repairs in 10 years and 100K miles. Most of it replacing rusty gas filler neck area. Hell, the rear muffler on the '87 Quattro was CS1500 -- every 18 months to two years! And the Subie didn't drive like the '94 dreadnought, either. Far superiot product. Signed, cheesed-off mechanical engineer almost 30 years later. Still frosts me. Good luck.
I have a 97 Civic DX with the D16Y7, I have been getting the parts together to turbo it sometime in the future. IE, forged rods and pistons, Y8 head and cam, intake and exhaust manifold, 1,000cc injectors, 70mm throttle body, intercooler, Speeduino ECU and a whole lot more.... But yeah.. The D17 was not a great replacement for the D16...
You could probably dingle-ball those bores, replace the rings and bearings, and run it for another 200k or so. I would bet it ran a bit hot a couple or few times, and was run low on oil or ran extended oil change intervals. Good stuff, Eric. Thanks for the great teardown videos!
got one of those my dad left me in the garage sitting at 166k mi watching the temp gauge and coolant level like a hawk. As I'm aware its a matter of when not if.
Thats the nail in the coffin right there im buying my gmas's car for sure, its a 2005 honda civic special edition 2dr coupe 1.7L 4spd auto with 165,000kms, i have a 2016 honda civic lx 6spd manual with 254,000 kms i love it. I recently just bought a 2023 toyota tacoma trd pro 6spd manual v6 brand new now at 24,500kms and this baby is a gem.....I love N/A machines
This is so much better than the complex but "cost down engineered" new stuff. No oil pump belts, no plastic oil pan, no flattened camshafts with simple screw and locknut valve lash adjusters no less. The D17 is the internal combustion analogy to a cockroach. It is not remotely sexy, but it is hard to kill, and ya gotta love it for that if the priority is getting from point A to point B. This powertrain is best experienced with the stick shift of course.
I had a 2005 Civic special edition, sold it when the clutch went out, and didn't want to pay what it was going to cost to repair. It is still out there because I can track it on Carfax. It had an oil change done on it in July 2024 and the registered mileage was 296,098 miles. When I sold it the milage was at 273,300 in August of 2022.
17:04 - if you get another engine with a timing belt that has a good water pump, figure out how to set up the timing belt as a catapult & pretend you're playing Angry Birds with the water pump lmao
Some people used to put D17 cranks in their D16 so you might be able to sell it. I think the second owner took great care of it judging from the K&N oil filter instead of the usual regular el cheapo filter... My guess is the headgasked failed and that was the end of a, still fully functional, engine.
For 1.99 a month you can save the se used water pumps from their demise. All you need to do is contact eric and donate to the used water pumps hall of fame.
No, they were just installed before all the other stuff that was in the way. I had a Dodge Stratus that had an A/C condenser(?) go bad. It was located WAY UP under the dash, which meant they would have to completely remove the dash to replace it. I swear it was the first part they put on the assemble line when the built the car. After hearing what it would cost to replace, I decided to just drive it with the windows down in the summer. Drove it another 2 years until it hit 250,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers).
I just pulled the valve cover on an R18 (the next gen civic motor) with over 240k on it only to be surprised with how clean the inside it was. It was better than most cars with 40k on them.
2006-11 was peak Civic. So comprehensively good and better than all of the competition at the time. The current generation is also superb, so maybe it'll be dethroned.
Got to love the older Hondas. I have a 98 civic with the D16Y7. 534,000 MILES and still going strong.
wow
I have my Gpa's 86 Suburban with its original 454cid with 594,000 miles...! Only on its second th400, but the engine and 12-bolt rear end are original, never rebuilt...!!! Maintenance matters...!!!
I help a friend fix his. '98, D16Y7 with 220k. Had to rebuild it last year. Parts are relatively cheap and common. Rebuilt it in my kitchen.
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I saw a fellow doing an in frame overhaul on a truck in the parking lot of a truck stop, had a UHaul trailer for tools etc, the head was standing on end beside the truck when I drove by
@@dirtfarmer7472 That would be a "how I got here" story I'd want to hear. It's wild some of the situations people get into.
Super long shot that’s my old engine. But I had an ‘03 Civic that I commuted to work with (77 miles one way) and drove it like it was stolen everyday. Sat at 4500 rpm doing 80+ on the long highways. Got up to 240,000 miles and then sold it for cheap. And before they could get it into their name at the dmv, it was rear ended and totaled in 2019. This is strikingly sounding like it 😂
some of the older honda engines have the VIN tag on the block. Could probably check that way.
@@matthewkinney5474 These do have VIN tags. It's a green tag on the drivers side of the block right above the oil pan on the back side.
Actually, as far as I know, every US market Honda engine and transmission has had a VIN tag somewhere on it since 1996.
so glad you removed the spring hose clamps before you cut the hose.
First time I saw him do that, I almost fell out of my chair with laughter.
He'll get into the habit of doing it, then he'll do it to one of his cars... LOL
I mean, how can you cut the hose with the clamps still on?
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As a Honda tech from that era , those were great engines , they didn't blow head gaskets until they were abused and overheated , the same with oil burning
Mine lost the head gasket at 235k km and was never abused never overheated bought new. . Didn't burn much oil. replaced head gasket ran it to around 450k km. lost gasket again
I would be happy if those intervals were miles.
But...But...Eric. You didn't do "The Test"!
he broke the rules... I'm so unsatisfied !
There was actually no need for that since there were no signs of damage and he was confident they would all be fine. But yeah, I always laugh when he performs it.
Call this the "anti-science" episode
But it's a Honda with only about a quarter million miles.
It'll be fine.
So sad . No scientific test this week 😢
My wife had a civic with that engine when we first got together, I'm now realizing that I have ptsd from just looking at that f********** intake.
Urk.... How about a Chrysler Slant-6 from a northern (salted) climate. Cracked exhaust manifold, aftermarket 2-barrel intake manifold. In the end, I took the head off to get to the lower manifold nuts. Love the Slant-6, the only hard part to work on is those intake/exhaust shared nuts and wedges.
I hate changing my oil filter more, bud. The placement was absolutely horrible, between the firewall and the engine, on top of the drive axles, and below the intake manifold. No access unless you take the wheel off and contort yourself in that gap.
@@RhombusProductions The little v6 in the 2002 Chevy Tracker I had was like that. There was a specific route you had to take in order to snake your arm up in between the front cross member and the driver side exhaust manifold to get to the oil filter on the side of the engine. Any other way you couldn't fit your arm in nor were you getting the filter out. Being that it was a used vehicle when I got it the front cross member was a mess of caked on dirt and oil. So avoiding touching a new & freshly oiled oil filter gasket on the crud pile was like mission impossible. But I managed anyway.
@@RhombusProductions and some people still insist that all hondas are easy to work on lol 😂. Absolutely hate it when a job that's usually and should be straightforward like changing an oil filter, becomes an annoying and time consuming process.
@RhombusProductions Eh, it wasn't the worst, I figured out that you could give it the reach around from the top side to get it. Two cars later my wife had a mini, I had to pull the coolant reservoir and snake the cartidge and cap for the oil filter down past the mess of hoses, was way worse, and always made a mess.
Looking back and comparing them to other engines from their time, the original Honda D and B series engines were absolute gems of efficiency and simplicity.
For 250k-300k that wasn't too bad. Had the typical wear for high mileage. Pretty impressive
"I wish I could get through to the guy who's in charge of buying engines..." Oh wait, that's me -Eric, probably
HE JUST WONT STOP lmao im sure he fights himself every time he hits buy
I heard he's some guy called Eric?
My dad owned a Transmission Shop, he had more that 1,000 rebuilt units ready to rock/roll but you reminded me
of my dads place b/c he bought at great prices & we'd go pick them up but when his shop was slow he'd make the
builders jump onto all the units filling the shelves. Builders are a unique group, especially the good ones & there's
different ways to pay them but no matter which method my dad didn't care b/c he knew what these units would be
worth down the road & he bought a lot of hard to get expensive units & didn't care how many sat on a shelf. After
he passed was when I realized the value of all those transmissions.... even the core units were fairly valuable but
all those rebuilt one were gold >> so many shops needed them b/c I guess it's hard to find good builders; Or good
mechanics as well. Thanks man, reminding me of a past time..... that was good. Got you on speed dial. peace
i still drive a 95 Civic with 212K miles and she runs great.
One of my favorite things is that it seems with simple, 4cyl engines like this, Eric seems to have more fun/time to throw in some more wit and silly edits. They are all appreciated and entertaining - thanks for that!
Yeah wish he could get a 2nd gen 2000ish Nissan Micra engine in, its what one of relatives has used as a daily driver for more than 2 decades. But i've no idea how common those where in the US.
@@darthkarl99 The Micra was never sold in the US. It was, however, sold in Canada from 2013 to 2019ish. We even had a Micra Cup - a race series dedicated to this car! I still see them all the time, althouh rust will eventually kill them all.
With good maintenance and just general care and attention, Hondas are faithful and dependable cars. You look after them, and they’ll look after you. One of my favourite automotive brands.
My brother and his wife bought a 2005 Civic LX new. About 10 years later, at 130k miles, it had been leaking or burning oil (probably both), and he had a vague notion of this, but no understanding of the consequences. Rarely/never checked the oil. They ran it dry, of course, and it was condemned by the shop with very nasty rod knock. He gave it to a handy brother-in-law who replaced the engine and then it was promptly crashed by another family member and totaled out. A short, hard life for that car. I rarely see this vintage of Civic on the roads anymore, despite being a high-volume seller. I see far more mid-2000s Corollas running around.
I have an 05 that I absolutely love and it's been in the family since 06. It has about 284K miles and it's still daily driven very reliably, but to be honest, it would have been scrapped years ago by almost anyone else. It was totaled by my grandma twice and rebuilt by me both times, its on its 2nd engine, and I swapped it from auto to 5 speed when the transmission died at around 240K.
Objectively, my 357K mile 97 Civic has been much more trouble free. It's still on the original engine, transmission, suspension, starter, alternator, AC system, etc with no signs of problems.
Here in the Memphis area, I see way more 4th-6th gen Civics on the road than 7th gens, but for whatever reason, the 7th gens are way easier to find in junkyards than the way more common 6th gens. 7th gen Accords and 8th gen Civics are still quite plentiful here though.
@@averyalexander2303 Whew, that is some eye-watering Civic mileage. The '97 is incredible.
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An original starter on a car that's done 357k miles? you must clutch start it..
@@averyalexander2303 7th gen Civics pretty much disappeared from where I live
@@petesmittI had a 2002 Pontiac Aztek. I sold it to a young single mother (cheap) with 317,000 miles on the original engine and starter. Original transmission made it to 246,000 miles and original alternator made it to 285,000 miles.
You dont have to take out those two impossible bolts on the intake. They just hold on the metal plate behind it.
How many ppl you think thru the years have battled those for no reason?
Way to many😂 @yeahitskimmel
You don't even have to take out that little plate on top of that plate that holds the injectors on either
I had one of these. Yes, it is true. Head gasket was passing some exhaust gas at 145K+ miles in cooling system pushing coolant into overflow tank. Replaced gasket, drove it for a couple more years with no issues. Little trick, you don't have to unbolt intake manifold - remove it with the cylinder head. Otherwise, it was a pretty reliable little car.
I had one too, when did your transmission go? Mine went at 93K
@@stoneyj1a1 Never. When I sold that Civic with ~175K miles transmission was fine: no issues, no gears grinding or slipping, original clutch and throw out bearing. 😉
@joesmith7377 when bolting the head back on, did you install the intake manifold to the head first before dropping the head back on? Or did you put the head on and then bolt on the intake?
@@CarsandCoding I did not remove intake manifold. The exhaust leak was tiny, so I took my chances and replaced head gasket only. I did not take the head to the machine shop. But if I did, I would install intake manifold first. Also, my intake was aluminum, not plastic like here. 2001 Civic.
@@joesmith7377thanks for the reply! I think when I do mine I will take it to the machine shop... I really just want to lift and swap the gasket but I also don't want to do this again...
OK as an owner of 2 different Hondas with the LEB engine and one 1989 Honda motorcycle I am very pleased to see that this 300k-miles Civic engine is basically mint. Thanks for taking apart, for the first time, an engine relevant to me!
Basically mint? The bearings are pretty heavily worn, there's zero signs of any crosshatching left in the cylinders, and from what he said, the top rings had no tension. I'm sure it still ran, but judging by the carbon on the valves, it probably used quite a bit of oil and likely had low compression.
Yeah, like he said....basically mint. 🤣🤣🤣@@averyalexander2303
@@averyalexander2303 sure, but with basic maintenance (checking and adding some oil from time to time) and smart driving (no cold abuse or over revving it) it could have just kept working without a problem for many more thousands miles. Only if it lacks oil or if it overheats it would actually fail massively.
@@FranNDR I agree, but to me, "basically mint" is a little different than "it's heavily worn, has a blown head gasket, and goes through oil like there's no tomorrow, but will probably still last a while if you baby it and top off the oil and coolant constantly".
I don't think I'd want to take any "fresh" kleenex he offers. 😮😅
I lived next to a guy in an apartment complex who owned a civic of this vintage. He drove it .... let's just say "enthusiastically"
He had a case of head gaskets in the trunk, and in true Southern fashion, would change it (shirtless) in the apartment complex parking lot every time it blew.
That's how we do it in the south😂
I bet you loved watching him get all sweaty wrenching on his clapped out civic! I bet his sweat would just run down his cheeseburger belly hair and he would fart out bush light smelling farts for you.
Also it prob wasn’t a d series
@@Zippadeedoodaa-nt8omyou fart Busch smelling farts on people? Fucking gross!
@@weezyfidelis787 I mean, the D17 series was pretty much the only engine available that generation excluding the first gen K series.
Reminds of my 2006 Civic. 380000 km / 236000 mi, pick your flavour. Besides oil & filter changes, it cost me $600.00 Cdn. After a trip thru the Rockies, fully loaded, at top speed, with a Jillian miles on the car already, it developed a taste for oil. Now, top speed in the Rockies varies somewhat. On the way west, it was the new highway. Long uphill pulls passing traffic, not in top gear. 100-120kph (60-70mph). Going East, it was the old highway. Same loaded car, but in a hurry. There are places where a person can pass, but you gotta go all in. You need to select the gear you need to select. If the retired gentleman in front of you notices the attempt to pass, he'll race you. So, you ease up slowly, and give it all the pony gears at the first opportunity. Then brake, because when the sign says slow, you slow. You're above the clouds, but the shoulder is a long drop below the clouds. Next time you see a cool cloud, imagine driving out that cloud.
Anyway, I kept feeding the engine oil, and years later, a hail storm wrecked the car.
2006+ Civics had completely different engine, R-series. Early production R18 equipped Civics (2006-2009) were infamous for engine block crack due to flaw in casting. American Honda extended the warranty of the R18 engine block to 10 years from the original date of purchase, with no mileage limit.
I had one of these back in the day. It indeed blew a head gasket at 170k miles, but other than that it went 250k miles with no other problems and it was still going strong when I got rid of the car so theres that.
Have a 2001 Odyssey w/J30 in the driveway. Has 367k on the clock and runs like a sewing machine. Heck, I might make 4 timing belts at this pace! Amazing product! (full disclosure, I'm on my 3rd tranny, Lol, so, not perfect mind you)
could.. could i be your 4th?
Thursday night tear down what more can you ask.. well a tear down every night would be great!!! But we gotta give Eric a day off!!!
Every day can't be Shabbat. LOL.... I just released my own video; Thursday nights get good subscriber traffic on Friday mornings. Eric is mostly entertainment for car guys, mine is mostly entertainment for people considering what to BBQ over the weekend. Thursday evening release, Friday views. I'm guessing Eric's views are mostly automotive shops and garages kind of winding down for the weekend. Mine are mostly people getting into weekend mode.
One video a week is a hell of a lot of work. I would imagine that Eric has a full-time employee doing the editing. He's not live multicamera the way I run, but I bet it's a whole pile of re-takes. Just organizing the raw video files is like organizing all the parts during an engine rebuild. Eric's channel is amazing. And funny.
Eric needs FAMILY time and he does the tear downs at night time after hours...
I am so grateful to get 2 videos in a week...
He does a great job with picking out different engine type each week...
It's not like he does only v8s or v6s etc....
I cant wait to a 3 cylinder when he finds a KEI car engine... 660 cc's
I miss my family's old 97 Civic. I have fond memories of rebuilding it with my dad as a teenager. It was stolen 3 times in it's life and the last time was for good, chopped in a bordertown back yard probably. Our 88 Suburban suffered a worse fate and was burned in the desert after being used for running substances. The southwest is unforgiving to civilized life.
Life sucks.
small world. Had a 2002 Civic back in Atlanta, managed to run the engine with a blown head gasket for a year. they're dinky little engines, but they run.
Love the box of screws you sent Ray 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That motor was fairly clean, I’m very very happy too own a Honda !!
D series engines were such good engines to own. They are easy to work on, robust, and fun to drive with a manual gearbox. We've had a couple in the family, and they performed well for a long long time. For something that's going to be driven - a lot - it's hard to go wrong with one of these.
Not apparently the d17
10:09 love those reversible gear wrenches that have double sizes. Also love the Honda D series engines. Truly a half or million mile engine is driven appropriately and maintained.
Those old Honda motors were so good ... except when overheated! I've had so many clients overheat their old Honda motors. No temp gauge on most, just a dummy light!
Thanks for the video. Great stuff to watch!
After today's performance Blue definitely deserves a payrise.
Piston test hammer, on the other hand, needs to be put on notice to work harder.
Blue had to step in to help so many times, it was embarrassing.
Every time he used a hammer in this tear down it didn’t work and Blue had to come to the rescue 😂😂😂😂
These old Honda engines are just amazing. No major problems after 250K to 300K miles.
Really enjoyed my first car which was a 02 Civic EX with a SOHC VTEC which I didn’t know much about Honda engines at the time and only thought VTEC engines were dual cams. Loved that civic even though it was an auto.
WOW Eric,premature or what,😱
And hello from the UK,as a engine builder about 1978, I have become addicted to your channel and the back catalogue, I'm thinking of starting a water pump appreciation society,any body else interested 😡
But seriously Eric brilliant content
Is it possible to do a autopsy on a MK 2 focus ST/RS focus, same Volvo engine but tweaked in the RS, already looking forward to the next video
i have a 2005 reverb civic here in toronto just did regular maintenance, oil change, tranny oil, coolants, plugs and still running up today 620,700km
When I did the head gasket on mine, the intake manifold was so hard to get off that I just left it on the head for the whole job. lol 😂
While a used water pump might almost always be a bad idea, occasionally there is a need. Maserati Biturbo water pumps are very hard to find and expensive (and meant to be changed with the cam belt). A used one can possibly be rebuilt with a new bearing.
Paccar Px7 engines at my shop use an o-ring instead of a gasket to seal the waterpump. Super super common for that ring to harden and leak but the pump is perfect. I keep a known 'good' pump on the shelf & a bag full of the orings. Leaky pump = drain rad + 5 min to remove old pump + 15 min to install self 'refurbished' pump with new ring.
$8 o-ring vs $350 for a new pump + a trip to the parts store...
Looks like this one is just a little harder to change though XD
I'd love to see a late '90s Chevy 4.3 Vortec on this channel!
Those were pretty good motors from my experience in an S10
So Honda Civics have been the best selling car in Canada for decades and they are common here. I bought my 2002 Acura EL (fancy Civic) with a blown head gasket and 400,000 km on the odo. Why? It had nice rims I wanted for my other Civic, and the whole car was only $100. So with basically a free car, I thought I would tinker with it a bit. Pulled the head and found a very blown gasket, and bores with vertical scoring so bad you could easily catch your finger nails. Valve seats were pitted, and guides had plenty of wear. Previous owner let a leaking water pump go, and the car was severely overheated at least twice. Anyway I put a new gasket in it and it ran just fine. Didn't burn oil either or smoke, but rattles nicely under heavy load. So some 20w50 and a light throttle took care of that. Been my winter driver for the last 8 years now and still runs fine with 430,000 km now. The summer Civic, an earlier 2000 model has a low 300,000 km in comparision and was maintained. Should be good for at least 500,000 or so...
By chance any Canadian 1990-1992 Civic Si "part cars" up there? Need a complete drivers door, nothing down here in Missouri.
You should be able to find that in a West coast yard. Six gen Civics are still common daily drivers where I live, on Vancouver Island. Fifth gens are getting thinner on the ground these days. Shipping a door would probably be too much $$$ anyway. My favourite driver was a '95 Si coupe which was a popular model in Canada. My kid owns it now, and still a fun car with over 400,000 km on the odo. Great cars!
Getting a Thursday’s treat is strange and almost weird
'07 Civic R18A1 carried me to and from work again today with 332k+ miles
Not all hondas are great. We have an 07 Odyssey van 179k and it uses a quart of oil in a week. Always had 4 to 5k oil changes with mostly mobil 1 and mobil 1 filters. We did buy it with 70k miles and the oil consumption drastically hit around 150k. Smokes as you drive it.
Ive got 260k on a GMC sonoma 4.3 vortec that doesnt consume a single oz in 4k miles. Neither does my 13 ram 5.7 hemi with 140k. By far the biggest money pit vehicle ive ever owned is the 07 Odyssey. Its had almost everything replaced. Im talking 3000 worth of parts. Im shocked the transmission isnt going out.
Three times unlucky. The Hemi should be on its second cam at least and third set of lifters by that mileage.
To be fair, the Odysseys were never really known for reliability. Honda seems to have a hard time with larger vehicles for whatever reason.
That year range it seems like all the automakers were messing around with low tension rings for fuel economy that were way too low tension to do their job resulting in burning oil like crazy. Toyota had a huge problem with it. I had a Jeep that Chrysler said was acceptable to burn a quart every 500 miles due to the lower rings allowing oil past.
@@TheRealCaptainKlutz i also havent had an exhaust manifold bolt break. Im one of the lucky ones. The ram has been a solid vehicle for me. Ive only replaced the ball joints and a water pump on it.
Had almost 250k on my 07 oddesy drove it cross country twice and used it as a delivery vehicle.. didn't burn a drop of oil but was gutless as all hell
The other thing I will say about these d17s. This was the start of what I would consider new honda. Alot more short sighted decisions and alot higher uptick in annoyance to service (like you said). 7th gen civic always seemed less thought out in its lay out. Alot of decision come off as "well it was cheaper"
Well, the same thing happened to every brand at some point. They need to cut the cost
I bought one of these brand new, 2001 LX, in late 2000, my first new car. Transmission went at 93K. otherwise it was a fun little car and looked cool. totaled at around 120K, someone hit me head on.
I actually have the V-TEC version of this engine, D17A2. I bought a 2003 Honda Civic coupe with a manual transmission a couple months ago and loved the car. I work in a shop at a dealership and noticed I was pushing coolant out of the reservoir because when I got home from driving my coolant would be on my intake. After telling one of our senior techs he told me that he has seen it a lot on these engines and that I had a head gasket issue. So I took it upon myself to do the head gasket myself to save a lot of money. I replaced the gaskets on everything that even touches the head and aside from messing up the camshaft seal I'm pretty happy knowing that I did the right thing by going through with that repair. All of that to say that this video showed me why what I did was actually important and how far this engine can go now that I've resealed everything from the valve cover to the oil pan (except the rear main seal because mine isn't leaking)
I'll add that my car has just passed 160k miles and the Carfax had oil changes every 3k miles so I'm not very concerned about any other high mileage engine damage.
I opened the RUclips to find a boring video to put me to sleep on a Thursday night. And then I see an Eric teardown video, well I guess I'm staying up for a while longer.
My shop has an 05 Civic LX with this engine. The original engine was replaced earlier this year for a BHG. Slow is definitely a word I would use to describe that car; it's worse because it's an auto (and a rather dimwitted one at that). Always starts up, though.
My 94 Civic was Hell damaged while we were on the road in the middle of nowhere Kansas. It had well over 200K on it and was still gong strong. They don't make em like they used to.
Drove mine for about 270k miles, other than the water pump going out that car was awesome. Sold it for $2500 to my friend and he still drives it to this day.
I had 06 or 07 Honda civic Reverb it was a Canadian model. The head gasket went at 70,000 km. But after it was fixed, it lasted until someone T-bone me it had 266,000 km on it still ran great when Insurance bought it off me. But like you said, the old b series engines were really reliable and easy to work on. Now I have an old H22a turbo, making 360ish to the wheel. Didn't want to push it too hard for daily driver. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
in canada they only made 2004-2005 model reverb with the sidekirt 06 or 07 is 8th gen lol
@jeremycarldaigo8768 yep, it was a 05. Found the receipt for the head gasket I did. It has been 9 years since it was totaled. Thanks for the info
Eric thank you for the extra video this week.
A little later than the D series here but the Honda 1.8 L R18A1 I4 has a special place in my heart. It was in my 1st car and the car I learned the bulk of my car mechanic skills.
hoses were harmed making this video
We have an 03 Honda Accord it has a 2400 vtec in it. It has about 300,000 on it. It still runs pretty good.
I have an 03 with the d17a1 that only has 115k miles on it, but it was never properly maintained before i bought it, plus it sat a lot. (I just wanted a cheap civic for a daily).
If it ever blew a headgasket or started having internal issues, I'd just spend $500 and replace it. No sense fixing them when there is so many of them available. Either that or I'd just k swap it but im too poor and unequipped for that.
Never had a Honda car. But do have a bought new 2006 1800cc Goldwing that just passed 300000 miles and still going strong.
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The UK got the D16 version...mine is still alive and kicking just fine.
I should send you my 01 Tundra V8 if it ever kicks the bucket. Currently at 530,000 miles.
I sold a car with that engine that had 246000 on it and it ran perfectly. burned no oil, pulled the hills easily
Hi Eric, nice teardown as always, but you know what I would like to see is the ring gap in the bores as it shows the condition of the engine along with the crank bearings. Definitely a high mileage engine this little Honda.
I would like to see an old Nissan 2000 to 2003 series1 QG16DE or QG18DE twin cam with NVCT as I have a QG16DE 1.6L with 348k miles on it and still running great.
I concur. Doing major repairs on a high-mileage engine isn't practical---at that point you're entering the land of diminishing returns, because everything is wearing out
Wifes 07 Accord 197k just getting warmed up. Purrrrs so smooth.
I retorqued to head on a friends high milage Honda that was showing signs of the head gasket beginning to leak.
We loosened each bolt one at a time then torqued them to a little over the specs. I know that's not the best way.
But last time I heard, the engine was still running just fine years later.
i got a good chuckle when the socket fell into the bin with the fluids. "noooooooo" lol
Those ratchet wrenches are one of the best ideas in tools. My set is over 25 years old and I have yet to break one. I also like it how you remove the hose clamps then proceed to cut the hose anyway 😅😅
I'm impressed!! Engine looked remarkable @ 250k +/-. My 1990 Crx Si had a B16. Later swapped for a 1992 Civic Si D16 engine. Car total 349,000 + miles, this 1992 D16 probably close to 200k +/-. A small valve clicking, valve cover leaking oil, but still starts easily, runs & idles smoothly, 5 spd still shifts easily. Hope not to replace anything except wear item parts. Learned alot on cars with this & Haynes manual. Also running w/o the PCV hose & valve gets krappy gas mileage as a daily ( short commute ) driver.
Your jokes of all kinds are amazing. Especially the one you told after the water pump didn't go in the scrap box. Your timing and delivery is great!
Eric, you forgot to do science testing on this engine....
My 05 civic is currently at 296k
I've had five different Accords. 1987,1994,1999,2003 and 2004. Loved them all. Only one engine failed but it was my fault. I never changed the timing belt on the 1994 and it bit me.
That's the engine I have in my '02 Civic.
I had one of these in my 2002 civic. That thing was a dog but it got great mileage and was pretty low maintenance.
Once upon a time, there was a large market in rebuilt water pumps, and salvaged or defective water pumps had core value to rebuilders. I guess only the old timers remember those times.
Great engine to work on. Got the courage to replace the wp/timing belt/tensioner, etc on the wife's 16 Odyssey earlier this year. Decided to do the same on my son's 03 Civic EX. Was way easier to do than the Odyssey. Even replaced the oil pump too, since the oil pump o-ring was leaking. Very fortunate to have many Civics in teh junk yard, since the Civic was missing a lot of nuts bolts/ covers, etc.
I have a K24 out of a 2008 Honda Accord with 310k miles. She burns through oil, because of aged piston rings. A quart of oil after every 2 fill ups keeps her strong.
Unrelated engine, but my mom still daily drives her white 1990 Accord Coupe. It has those seatbelts that motor back and forth in a track and it's rad. The *metal* radio antenna also automatically extends when you turn the radio on. I don't know how many miles it has now, but it had 140,000 miles on it in 2001 when I got married.
I'm doing a low-budget rebuild of a D17 and all I need to finish it is a water pump preferably used. Not everyone is well-off enough to pay premium prices.
The intensely passive aggresive act of removing the clamp before cutting the hose. Absolutely love it.😂
Edit: What? No science today? And you call yourself a professional? Shame. Shame on you.
Good job! Now do a VW/Audi 2.8L V6 from a 99-05 Passat/A4. I gotta do the timing belt on mine and it looks properly overly/unnecessarily complicated, it should be a fun one.
Thanks for all the videos, keep up the good work. We need you, we love you and we want you to succeed at every endeavor you choose to endure. ;)
I had one of the first versions of that terminal slug engine in my '94 Audi 90 Sport Quattro. Traded in my '87 4000 Quattro for it. You'd think 170 hp would run away from 115, but the car had ballooned in weight by at least 500 lbs, yet had a rock-hard ride. A more useless car I've never bought. 20 years of Audis, not reliable but nice to drive, then that stinker. Only had it on a two-year lease, thank god.
Then my pal buys its replacement, the '98 A4. Now there was even more trash. Some crazy German re-invented the front suspension with two separate upper links on the uprights. They fought each other geometrically, and were in constant need of replacement -- utter hell for him.
Despite what Eric goes on about here, I went Subaru, and compared to Audi, they were a paragon of dependability. Less than $1,000 in repairs in 10 years and 100K miles. Most of it replacing rusty gas filler neck area. Hell, the rear muffler on the '87 Quattro was CS1500 -- every 18 months to two years! And the Subie didn't drive like the '94 dreadnought, either. Far superiot product.
Signed, cheesed-off mechanical engineer almost 30 years later. Still frosts me.
Good luck.
@@BillMalcolm-tn3kq I hear you. Everything's gotta be either a mystery or a puzzle piece, right? Using 14 different bulbs for one car is dumb...
I have a 97 Civic DX with the D16Y7, I have been getting the parts together to turbo it sometime in the future. IE, forged rods and pistons, Y8 head and cam, intake and exhaust manifold, 1,000cc injectors, 70mm throttle body, intercooler, Speeduino ECU and a whole lot more.... But yeah.. The D17 was not a great replacement for the D16...
The D17 wasn’t a great replacement in a tuners perspective* fixed it for you
I had a 2001 Honda Civic HX with a CVT. Great fuel economy.
wow - cvt in year 2001??
@@Chris_de_S apparently so...I wonder if they broke constantly or were reliable.
You could probably dingle-ball those bores, replace the rings and bearings, and run it for another 200k or so. I would bet it ran a bit hot a couple or few times, and was run low on oil or ran extended oil change intervals. Good stuff, Eric. Thanks for the great teardown videos!
That familiar and all too relatable moment when a tool falls in the soup... NOOOOOO!!!!!! Great video as always man.
"that didn't go in did it? I've heard that before" oh god I'm now deceased! lol😂
got one of those my dad left me in the garage sitting at 166k mi watching the temp gauge and coolant level like a hawk. As I'm aware its a matter of when not if.
Thats the nail in the coffin right there im buying my gmas's car for sure, its a 2005 honda civic special edition 2dr coupe 1.7L 4spd auto with 165,000kms, i have a 2016 honda civic lx 6spd manual with 254,000 kms i love it. I recently just bought a 2023 toyota tacoma trd pro 6spd manual v6 brand new now at 24,500kms and this baby is a gem.....I love N/A machines
This is so much better than the complex but "cost down engineered" new stuff. No oil pump belts, no plastic oil pan, no flattened camshafts with simple screw and locknut valve lash adjusters no less. The D17 is the internal combustion analogy to a cockroach. It is not remotely sexy, but it is hard to kill, and ya gotta love it for that if the priority is getting from point A to point B. This powertrain is best experienced with the stick shift of course.
I had a 2005 Civic special edition, sold it when the clutch went out, and didn't want to pay what it was going to cost to repair. It is still out there because I can track it on Carfax. It had an oil change done on it in July 2024 and the registered mileage was 296,098 miles. When I sold it the milage was at 273,300 in August of 2022.
17:04 - if you get another engine with a timing belt that has a good water pump, figure out how to set up the timing belt as a catapult & pretend you're playing Angry Birds with the water pump lmao
Some people used to put D17 cranks in their D16 so you might be able to sell it. I think the second owner took great care of it judging from the K&N oil filter instead of the usual regular el cheapo filter... My guess is the headgasked failed and that was the end of a, still fully functional, engine.
You're not alone in disliking the D17s... I love most Honda engines but these were mostly a step backwards.
You had me fooled, knocking the drain pan off. I was expecting to see it get yeeted across the shop😂
I had 2002 honda civic 1.6 with 220k miles. Still goin good when i sold it. Serviced it myself for 180k of those.
For 1.99 a month you can save the se used water pumps from their demise. All you need to do is contact eric and donate to the used water pumps hall of fame.
Never change. I love your videos and ridiculous humor. You’re perfect.
I am glad you know what pigmat is. So many now days just call it oil mats!
It's a good rebuildable core. Whether or it's worth it I don't know. But the engine (as far as engine condition goes) it's rebuildable.
I guess Honda employed octopi at the factory to install those intake bolts…holy smokes. Well done Eric!
No, they were just installed before all the other stuff that was in the way. I had a Dodge Stratus that had an A/C condenser(?) go bad. It was located WAY UP under the dash, which meant they would have to completely remove the dash to replace it. I swear it was the first part they put on the assemble line when the built the car. After hearing what it would cost to replace, I decided to just drive it with the windows down in the summer. Drove it another 2 years until it hit 250,000 miles (yes, miles, not kilometers).
Amazing, the oil rings are in great condition. The engine had regular oil service.
I just pulled the valve cover on an R18 (the next gen civic motor) with over 240k on it only to be surprised with how clean the inside it was. It was better than most cars with 40k on them.
2006-11 was peak Civic. So comprehensively good and better than all of the competition at the time. The current generation is also superb, so maybe it'll be dethroned.