That is a true classic..... I was cracking up.... What a horrible curse, omg... That's the worst, isn't it?? You get home, or you get back to work, you open that bag, and it's not your order.... And the sad trombone plays.... Ugh, I hate that....
I work on ambulances for my local fire dept., all of the ambulances are 6.4 hemi powered. On average, at 60k miles they wipe a lobe off the cam. Every ambulance has had at least one engine replacement or been rebuilt. These engines despise idle hours because of low idle oil pressure.
Because of idling horror stories I don't idle at all. Always moving if my car is on. But I have heard 2016 and up hemis got a lot better with this issue. Also helps of you don't have MDS. My car is a manual so no MDS.
Which just shows they're a shitty engine, because the LA and RB series V8s from before them didn't have this problem despite the cam being in the same exact spot.....nor did the old hemis from the 1950s when V8s in general were still pretty new to MOPAR. This is also not a new occurrence for chrysler these days. Anyone remember the 2.7 V6s in the Sebrings and Intrepids around the turn of the 21st and how they would fail catastrophically due to poor oiling regardless of maintenance history?
As a "CJDR" tech i have seen many cam/lifter failures. One thing that i have done for a couple of customers that went through cams (and are now no longer under warranty) is install an aftermarket electric oil pump that kicks on when oil pressure drops below "spec". (it runs a seperate pickup tube and filter then ties back in to the main oil passage just after the oem filter). The first customer's 1st cam went at 38'000km, 2nd at 98'000km (just before Powertrain warranty ran out). Installed the pump at ~ 110'000km and the last time i saw the truck it had 390'000km and still has not had cam issues.(About a month ago).
This looks like a classic case of high idle time on a Hemi. If you avoid idling the engine, the lifter issues are mostly non-existent. As someone else rightly pointed out, low oil pressure on the top end at idle is the culprit. There is a "fix" that is preventative. The oil pump from the 6.2L Hemi can be used to generate higher oil pressure as the gear has more teeth to generate more pressure across the RPM range. It is also a direct bolt on swap. Otherwise the best course of action is to avoid idle. Personally, I have this exact engine in my 2015 Ram 1500 Limited. I have not done the oil pump swap, but I only let the engine warm up for no more than 5min before I start driving, and I often shut it off in drive-thrus or anything longer than a stop light. Hope this helps any owners out there!
@@tampontim69 I hear ya. I can say that for me, it isnt too bad. I just turn off the key anytime Im going to be sitting for somewhere more than just a couple of minutes. The thing is that I would be doing this anyway to save gas, so it really isnt that big of a deal.
You must be ahhd or have major anxiety.... I would not tolerate having to worry about that... Not acceptable. You are far too tolerant5 of bad engineering.
Love your sense of humour Eric.. The combination of mild slapstick, self deprecation and Ironic Sarcasm is just brilliant, and works to a global audience. Wishing you all the success in the world for an excellent channel.
There's nothing I like more than having a cup of coffee and watching you doing engine autopsy, however being the old fat and retired and watching you a young man do calisthenics in the middle of it, well I almost choked on my breakfast. That was quite a humorous add-on to this video. Keep up the good work! Your videos are my Sunday morning ritual as my wife and I enjoy breakfast.
Cams on these are really hard to pull when they get wiped like this. The cam bearings might not LOOK worn, but if you really check, they're almost always warped. Thankfully the block has enough strength there that it doesn't really matter. Despite everything it's been through, this motor's definitely a very good builder as-is. Probably doesn't even need to go 010. I'd estimate mileage at 150-200k or above. I don't think they drove it much after the lifter failed fully. Also, I'd hang onto that crank. It's very serviceable, and despite being the cast one? 4893356AA is on permanent 6+ week backorder, and I don't know any source for them at all.
This engine is a perfect example of why you don’t just put a cam and lifters in these things when they flatten the cam. It scatters metal *everywhere* in the engine. Back when these engines were still relatively new and the cam/lifter failures weren’t as well known, the shop I worked at would put cams and lifters in these (and LS’s). They all either had repeat cam/lifter or bearing failures within a year or 2 later. Imagine dumping a couple table spoons of powdered hardened steel into your oil fill tube. That’s basically what happens when the cam and lifters fail.
Saw a few Chev 305 's with the cams made of cheese instead of iron back in the late 70's early 80's. They were that bad or worse. But this one was real bad all right! Cheers!
Recently discovered the channel and have been loving the episode binge through all your engine teardowns as they are super interesting and you add some great dry humor to the experience. Would love to see a 3.8L V6 from one of the New Edge Mustangs.
Eric, when you show a Hemi, you should flip the head over and compare it to a Chevy LS head so that people understand the difference between the Stellantis Hemi and the General Motors LS heads. I bet most people don't understand the difference, though the pictures would show how it is night and day....
Today's HEMIs aren't really true HEMIs. The heads have been swapped for a more traditional look. So comparing an LS with one of these 5.7 heads, will look rather similar. Want a TRUE HEMI, source out an Original.
@@hughmann1537bruh,not even close to the same as an ls.heart shaped combustion chamber,inline valves vs. the hemi,oval combustion chamber, opposed valves,not to mention the dual rocker shafts
@regisphilbinsscrotum6631 ...I was talking about the combustion chamber itself. They're not true HEMIs in the 3rd gens. ...more of a marketing ruse. So, calm down.
That would’ve been the last time the oil was changed, could’ve ran on the same oil and filter for a year or more judging by the varnish throughout the motor, it probably only saw two or three oil changes it’s entire service life. Not good for any engine but the HEMIs absolutely don’t tolerate it at all.
Nice information video, my wife and I own a 2020 Dodge Ram 2500 with a 5.4 hemi with 120+ K on it, you said it best, you have to stay on top change the oil 3-5 k miles. Had to replace the rear main at 98k,the transmission had to come out so changed the seals, gasket and filter done it all. Saved the best for last, bought the truck new 3yrs 36k, 36,086k the water pump goes out 1,928 $ out of pocket.
FORSHADOWING! I watched this video when you posted it a month ago and thought it was a shame. Fast forward to yesterday and my beloved, well maintained 2012 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 dropped a lifter and now I need a camshaft! The sound was different than the “Hemi tick”. I immediately limped it home and had it towed to the dealership for extended warranty repair. Now, I’m watching this again to see what and where for my own piece of mind. Thank you so much, Eric! ~WilPaul
28:35 - Eric, you need to get some sort of basket that you can hang from the engine in front of the cylinders to catch the flying pistons, either an individual basket that you can change from cylinder to cylinder or one that'll cover all of them. I know, I know, it removes the entertainment factor that is watching pistons flying out of the cylinders in slow motion but it can prevent damage when the pistons are good, like in this case. It's just an idea. 🙂
Chrysler most likely make the 5.7's and 6.4's with an oil pump just good enough to last 100k miles before blowing up in order to keep people buying another vehicle every few years. Splash lubrication is a thing of the 60's. no modern v configuration engine is relaying on crankshaft run off to lubricate the cam. in my opinion the reason they fail is due to a sub-par oil pump that does not provide enough oil flow (volume) at idle. upgrading to a hellcat or Melling high VOLUME (not pressure) oil pump would most likely be the best way to prevent camshaft failure... great video btw. always interesting to see how these engines are made.
Something of interest. A friend of mine builds and rebuilds Harley engines for for the public, and the race community. He showed me a roller lifter from one of the engines. The roller was almost square. His thoughts that the use of full synthetic oil was so slick that the roller was sliding and not rolling? Got me. Thanks for all the tear downs. Always interesting. Randy
A - I dunno if I happen to like the dipstick skits or the water pump skits more. I think those are both forever my favorites. B - Seen it a few times. Although I'm no mopar tech. I've just seen it from few of my friends with 2500's and 1500's.
The was not changed very often in that engine. I have around a million miles on 5.7 hemis, VERY HARD MILES. These engines are extremely durable if properly maintained.
in the days of dual overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, direct injection , twin turbos etc etc, this old pushrod v8 still survives. we have one in a '17 ram 1500. relatively simple compared to most engines these days and it still passes todays emissions standards
I would like to thank you Eric for getting around to one of these as I drive a ‘14 Ram 1500 with one of these engines, though as I am totally aware of the issue, I take much better care of mine. Mobil 1 full synthetic 5W20 and a Wix 57060XP every ~9000km’s(5600mi) and the old filter cut open afterwards. The factory recommended oil change interval is about 15000km’s(9300mi). It’s nice to see how the worn cam lobes and ruined lifters translates to metal in the pan, which then translates to bearing damage. My truck has about 187000km’s(116000mi) on it now. It has had a mild tick from the engine for about the last 60000-80000km’s(37000-50000mi). The tick is almost inaudible when the truck is hot, and fully inaudible off of idle. The tick came on all at once but hasn’t gotten any worse in that time, and the truck runs fine and has never had a CEL or a misfire. A lifter failure of this sort wouldn’t take that long to manifest IMO. A few oil changes ago I pulled the oil pan and windage tray(easy on a RWD truck) to inspect the camshaft and lifter wheels as best I could, I saw nothing of note, and cleaning the oil pan turned up
I put in my 6.4 10w50 for the last 60.000km(as soon as the warrenty got out), its now on 180.000km, charger rt, and it doesn't have any weird sound, and i don't leave the car idle or anything like that. Not to mention that i drive it like i stole it.
Yeah, my 2018 Ram 1500 manual says do not go over 10,000 miles for an oil change under any circumstances. Interestingly, it drops down to 8,000 miles for 2500 and 3500. Hopefully owners realize that's with full synthethic oil and not conventional, but for some reason this isn't mentioned in the manual. In any case, looks like the 3rd gen Hemi's with MDS (circa '05 and later) definitely need to be taken care of on oil changes. Kind of crazy though that some can go 250-300K miles without this problem and some get it by ~50K miles. Makes one wonder if QA/QC wasn't controlled so tight by the cam manufacturer, doesn't it??
@@trainshot17I appreciate those details. I don't know the detail but have been hearing that Mobil 1 dropped quality in recent years, so I don't find that surprising. I used to be a big fan. As for the Pennzoil full synthetic that FCA dealers have been using for years, I don't have any concern with that... or should I bump it up to their Platinum product? I do think this issue isn't as common as the internet makes it seem to be. I'm thinking it's a QA/QC issue from the cam supplier.
One could speculate all day on what causes these cam wipeouts on the Hemi. I personally think its due to the zinc being removed from motor oil. The newer Silverado trucks are doing this also.
It's oil pressure. At idle and low RPMs it doesn't get enough oil to the cams and lifters. Some people swap out the oil pump for the higher pressure one from the hellcat Hemi. Seems to solve it. Crap design. Chrysler's gonna Chrysler.
Exactly the same as my 2011 hemi. I always maintained mine. I ended up rebuiding the top with comp cam, springs, push rods and lifters. It still runs very strong. I believe its caused the quality of lifter bearings used. BTW there was no lack of oil on\in my lifters upon removal during the rebuild. What's the odds that they all fail the same exact way, oil changed every 3k or not? If lack of oil was the cause it would happen on other lifters too. That engine was the same cylinder #5 as mine and ive seen many more fail in the same. Chrysler owes us hemi owners some doe.
Those steel head gaskets will slice you to the bone if you’re careless about removing them. I learned that life lesson last week. You’re never too old to learn something new 😂.
I enjoyed your engine 5.7 teardown. Now retired, certified in light and semi tractor engines. My last years were as an oil and gas consultant overseas onshore/offshore. I have a hemi Jeep, but I've never had to see inside the hemi engines. Hopefully, mine will last a while. Good video!
Thank you for tearing down this 5.7. I have a 2019; runs strong as an ox for now, but who knows what the future holds? Having seen the tear-down, I have a pretty good idea of what to expect should I need to dig into mine.
@@snek9353idk bro, sounds like it’s just asking for that hemi tick, I think they recommend the lower viscosity oil to prevent the lifters from chewing themselves apart. I guess if you don’t have Mds that’s fine but anyone with Mds should probably just use the recommended oil.
This video, has just convinced me to not by a Dodge truck. I'll just rebuild my 91 Chevy 350 and keep going. Best of luck putting that engine back together and THANKS AGAIN !
Ahh the Hemi Tick strikes again! It looked like a good core that could be rebuildable since they are a dying breed. Poorly maintained but it is a good buildable engine to someone.
Y’know, I hear a lot of bad stuff about the 5.7 Hemi. I have a 2003 Hemi with 300,000 miles on my original engine. I really truly think it’s attributed to routine maintenance and perhaps a stroke of luck, she’s been used like every Hemi should, loud and proud. But she still trucks along perfectly.
I have a 06 hemi with 240,000 miles the car got totaled mind you it’s been tuned hot beat the snot out of it we pulled the motor out in a different 300c and she still lives with over 280,000 hard beaten miles no issues …. Yet I believe when they are babied that’s when they have issues just saying
My 2003 Hemi has 270,000 orginal motor and trans. An i don't baby it either, been pulling a 7000lb travel trailer for the last 3 year all around united states. Its been to 38 states and a few multible times.
When they went to MDS system (multiple displacement system, or the cylinder deactivation) is when they turned to sh*t. Chevrolet has same issues with the system. Difference is the redesigned hemi oiling system that accommodates this system has issues with starving some parts of the engine. Then lifters fail. When the lifters fail (on hemi its the needle bearings in the lifter roller) its pure oil starvation. So older Hemi's have a much better track record. Its the transmissions in the older ones that were the problem. Engines lasted fine.
@@rodx5571 exactly, with the new oil desperation it starves the cam at idle and the lifters start to chew it up causing the Hemi tick, it’s fucking stupid that they would ruin such a good engine with the mds
@@rodx5571 i would agree, some people say because you idle to much. What is concider lots of idle time, if your in traffic? I live in Souther California so you know i'm spending lots of time in traffic, i have been towing a travel trailer and hooking and unhooking trailer i just let it idle plus for simple stops or if wife runs into stores i let it idle. This is before i even heard of people saying don't idle. 2003 Hemi (No MDS) 270,000 oringinal miles on motor and trans. But also on the trans when towing i'll lock out OD so its not constantly hunting for gears.
I have a 2004 5.7. I bought it with 187k. I'm now at 273k. Runs like a top. Maintainable if you change your oil and give her some cleaner every once in a while. The moral of the story is that youdo your maintenance.
My 2005 5.7 L Ram had 300k miles on the clock when I donated it off. It’s still running fine. Good synthetic oil and 99% highway miles probably is why it lasted me so long 😃
All chrysler products have always been known for bad cam wear. Ive seen the cam bearings wear completely into the block at which point when they do that the engine is worthless then and unlike GM and ford there is no oil drain back thru the valley so the camshaft actually sarves for oil
Kind of redemption for the last 5.7 HEMI on this channel, they’re actually pretty stout all considering, seems like the suffer a lot from shotty maintenance more than anything. Thanks for this video 😊
@@P7777-u7ri agrea my 2003 Hemi is before the deactivation and its still going strong with 270,000 oringinal miles and the last 3 years pulling a 7000lb. Travel trailer. Thats kinda one reason im waiting for the new Hurricane motor, i don't care for the 5.7 deactivation.
Eric, I have to say that I can remember when you tore apart a old motor it was going to be a work out because everything was cast iron or steel. I am sure you have tore apart a few old school motors . Have a great Sunday and thank you for sharing this with me. Enjoyable video as always, I will Thank you again.
This video is amazing!! This is definitely an eagle engine. Those VVT post 2009 eat up camshafts. The pre 2009 Drop valve seats. I guess a lot of people take the eagle heads and put them on older engines.
@@robwebster1098 Assuming you mean lifters, not what I was getting at, use a 5W30 with more ZDDP, check your oil level often, and up your idle RPM with AC on.
For that style of puller, if you use a big 3-jaw puller, flip it backwards(inside out technically), then put the hooks through the holes in the dampener, it will pull right out.
The camshaft journal had a lot of metal missing. A ton! So when you looked into the camshaft bore and said the bearings look ok, that was wrong. Dodge camshafts have been suffering for a long time now. ZDDP is the missing additive in the oil used in this engine. It usually prevents this type of damage due to the high pressures camshafts deal with and rely on oil to protect them. JS
It’s a toss up really honestly. You increase your chances if you take care of your engine. I have an 05 hemi with 260,000 miles that purrs like a kitten and a 17 ram 1500 that wiped a cam lobe twice. Mind you I put the best oils @ regularly scheduled service intervals
A regular viewer of yours, I tell folks this is an educational channel, Would like to see an old "F" head pulled apart,,, Ive rebuild a few over the years and they are interestingly different, Yet the same as you know,
I was one of the comments speaking on the low RPM starvation. Also worth noting that these engines are known to consume oil at allowable rates that can see an engine with a 7 quart capacity running 1-3 quarts low by the recommended oil change interval. CHECKING YOUR OIL IS CRITICAL. I check mine every other fuel up, I run full synthetic and a 10k mile interval.
😂😂🙈 now i know why you were so sweaty. Not from watching cops
Cuz’ I know that cops doesn’t start till 4!
your mom watches cops. 🤣
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@@deplorablelibertarian lol but you definitely touched my drum set.
The “Whoever invented the red locking tabs, I hope McDonald’s gets your order wrong” had me lol!
Worst curse ever!
That is a true classic..... I was cracking up.... What a horrible curse, omg... That's the worst, isn't it?? You get home, or you get back to work, you open that bag, and it's not your order.... And the sad trombone plays.... Ugh, I hate that....
fr tho those locking tabs are hell esp if you break them from trying to crack them open
I mustv'e invented these.
Wouldn't a worse curse be that i hope chick-fil-a gets your order wrong
I work on ambulances for my local fire dept., all of the ambulances are 6.4 hemi powered. On average, at 60k miles they wipe a lobe off the cam. Every ambulance has had at least one engine replacement or been rebuilt. These engines despise idle hours because of low idle oil pressure.
I heard it's because they designed the cam to high and does not get enough oil to lube it at low rpm?
Low idle oil pressure? They use 0W40 and have fast idle capability right? How can they have low idle oil pressure?
Because of idling horror stories I don't idle at all. Always moving if my car is on. But I have heard 2016 and up hemis got a lot better with this issue. Also helps of you don't have MDS. My car is a manual so no MDS.
@@johnlanser1951 The engine in this vid didn't have MDS, it has nothing to do with it.
Which just shows they're a shitty engine, because the LA and RB series V8s from before them didn't have this problem despite the cam being in the same exact spot.....nor did the old hemis from the 1950s when V8s in general were still pretty new to MOPAR.
This is also not a new occurrence for chrysler these days. Anyone remember the 2.7 V6s in the Sebrings and Intrepids around the turn of the 21st and how they would fail catastrophically due to poor oiling regardless of maintenance history?
As a "CJDR" tech i have seen many cam/lifter failures. One thing that i have done for a couple of customers that went through cams (and are now no longer under warranty) is install an aftermarket electric oil pump that kicks on when oil pressure drops below "spec". (it runs a seperate pickup tube and filter then ties back in to the main oil passage just after the oem filter). The first customer's 1st cam went at 38'000km, 2nd at 98'000km (just before Powertrain warranty ran out). Installed the pump at ~ 110'000km and the last time i saw the truck it had 390'000km and still has not had cam issues.(About a month ago).
Was it an all in 1 kit or did you piece everything together yourself?
Where did you get the kit and what’s the name of it
I see you dislike the red lock tabs as much as I do. Your preparation for dipstick removal skit was hilarious!
Did you see a few videos back when he used the forklift to remove the dipstick tube?
@@jimrossabrena7955 I'm sure I watched it. Remembering it is another story
@@fuse8052how do you remember if you dislike the red lock tabs then Genius.
Not a skit sadly😢
@@alberteinstein3078once you've experienced them on a plug that already has impossible access you never forget
This looks like a classic case of high idle time on a Hemi. If you avoid idling the engine, the lifter issues are mostly non-existent. As someone else rightly pointed out, low oil pressure on the top end at idle is the culprit. There is a "fix" that is preventative. The oil pump from the 6.2L Hemi can be used to generate higher oil pressure as the gear has more teeth to generate more pressure across the RPM range. It is also a direct bolt on swap. Otherwise the best course of action is to avoid idle. Personally, I have this exact engine in my 2015 Ram 1500 Limited. I have not done the oil pump swap, but I only let the engine warm up for no more than 5min before I start driving, and I often shut it off in drive-thrus or anything longer than a stop light. Hope this helps any owners out there!
How does Chrysler not consider idle oiling in the design of a truck engine? Truly mind boggling.
Just look at the name on the truck...
Must be miserable having to worry about that
@@tampontim69 I hear ya. I can say that for me, it isnt too bad. I just turn off the key anytime Im going to be sitting for somewhere more than just a couple of minutes. The thing is that I would be doing this anyway to save gas, so it really isnt that big of a deal.
You must be ahhd or have major anxiety.... I would not tolerate having to worry about that... Not acceptable. You are far too tolerant5 of bad engineering.
Love your sense of humour Eric.. The combination of mild slapstick, self deprecation and Ironic Sarcasm is just brilliant, and works to a global audience. Wishing you all the success in the world for an excellent channel.
Saturday engine tear down time after working on cars all day. Thanks for all the great videos.
I'm here for the teardowns... And you great style... Enjoy this sooooo much
There's nothing I like more than having a cup of coffee and watching you doing engine autopsy, however being the old fat and retired and watching you a young man do calisthenics in the middle of it, well I almost choked on my breakfast. That was quite a humorous add-on to this video. Keep up the good work! Your videos are my Sunday morning ritual as my wife and I enjoy breakfast.
Good, straightforward approach to any teardown.. and good humor... from a 30yr Master Tech who still learns from everyone
Cams on these are really hard to pull when they get wiped like this. The cam bearings might not LOOK worn, but if you really check, they're almost always warped. Thankfully the block has enough strength there that it doesn't really matter. Despite everything it's been through, this motor's definitely a very good builder as-is. Probably doesn't even need to go 010. I'd estimate mileage at 150-200k or above. I don't think they drove it much after the lifter failed fully.
Also, I'd hang onto that crank. It's very serviceable, and despite being the cast one? 4893356AA is on permanent 6+ week backorder, and I don't know any source for them at all.
Why no cams available? Who makes em?
@@jamesmedina2062cams are available, cranks aren't.
This engine is a perfect example of why you don’t just put a cam and lifters in these things when they flatten the cam. It scatters metal *everywhere* in the engine. Back when these engines were still relatively new and the cam/lifter failures weren’t as well known, the shop I worked at would put cams and lifters in these (and LS’s). They all either had repeat cam/lifter or bearing failures within a year or 2 later. Imagine dumping a couple table spoons of powdered hardened steel into your oil fill tube. That’s basically what happens when the cam and lifters fail.
So then what's the proper way to handle it when the cam gets flattened? Complete tear down and rebuild?
@TheNugler Of course they do....
Your photography of the ports is getting much better. I have never seen a cam that bad. Another great video. Thank you.
Saw a few Chev 305 's with the cams made of cheese instead of iron back in the late 70's early 80's. They were that bad or worse. But this one was real bad all right! Cheers!
Recently discovered the channel and have been loving the episode binge through all your engine teardowns as they are super interesting and you add some great dry humor to the experience. Would love to see a 3.8L V6 from one of the New Edge Mustangs.
id like to see a 4.6 2v from the mustang
I have waited all week for this video. THANK YOU for feeding my addiction.
Eric and Blue your the only channel I can watch 30mins!
Keep up the great work!
Thanks for your nice channel Eric. You're a cool dude and I really enjoy watching these vids. Greets from Scandinavia!
Eric, when you show a Hemi, you should flip the head over and compare it to a Chevy LS head so that people understand the difference between the Stellantis Hemi and the General Motors LS heads. I bet most people don't understand the difference, though the pictures would show how it is night and day....
I believe the HEMI was designed under Daimler Chrysler well before Stalantis bought Chrysler.
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Definitely a Chrysler Hemi.
Today's HEMIs aren't really true HEMIs.
The heads have been swapped for a more traditional look.
So comparing an LS with one of these 5.7 heads, will look rather similar.
Want a TRUE HEMI, source out an Original.
@@hughmann1537bruh,not even close to the same as an ls.heart shaped combustion chamber,inline valves vs. the hemi,oval combustion chamber, opposed valves,not to mention the dual rocker shafts
@regisphilbinsscrotum6631 ...I was talking about the combustion chamber itself. They're not true HEMIs in the 3rd gens. ...more of a marketing ruse. So, calm down.
Eric, your weekend engine tear down videos are the best part of You Tube. “I hope McDonald’s gets your order wrong”😄😄😄
Clear proof that training pays off!! Nicely done my friend !! 😂
That was savage wishing the wrong mc Donald's order 😂😭 love you videos man, this is what I truly look forward to on my saturdays
Note the 2019 date on the oil filter - this engine was essentially destroyed and pulled only four years into its life.
That would’ve been the last time the oil was changed, could’ve ran on the same oil and filter for a year or more judging by the varnish throughout the motor, it probably only saw two or three oil changes it’s entire service life. Not good for any engine but the HEMIs absolutely don’t tolerate it at all.
@@PhOeNiXpIoLeindeed. I doubt it was just long distance commuter miles either which would've been better.
Nice information video, my wife and I own a 2020 Dodge Ram 2500 with a 5.4 hemi with 120+ K on it, you said it best, you have to stay on top change the oil 3-5 k miles. Had to replace the rear main at 98k,the transmission had to come out so changed the seals, gasket and filter done it all. Saved the best for last, bought the truck new 3yrs 36k, 36,086k the water pump goes out 1,928 $ out of pocket.
Yup, my water pump went out right after the warranty expired as well.
Does a 5.4 hemi exist? 😒 really?
FORSHADOWING! I watched this video when you posted it a month ago and thought it was a shame. Fast forward to yesterday and my beloved, well maintained 2012 Ram 1500 Laramie 4x4 dropped a lifter and now I need a camshaft! The sound was different than the “Hemi tick”. I immediately limped it home and had it towed to the dealership for extended warranty repair. Now, I’m watching this again to see what and where for my own piece of mind. Thank you so much, Eric! ~WilPaul
How many miles on it when it failed? 🫡🫡🫡
28:35 - Eric, you need to get some sort of basket that you can hang from the engine in front of the cylinders to catch the flying pistons, either an individual basket that you can change from cylinder to cylinder or one that'll cover all of them. I know, I know, it removes the entertainment factor that is watching pistons flying out of the cylinders in slow motion but it can prevent damage when the pistons are good, like in this case. It's just an idea. 🙂
Or maybe one of those moving blankets from HF on the floor for a soft landing.
those head bolts cracking when you loosen them gets me every time its so satisfying
Great work sir. Love watching these, I find these tear downs to be super satisfying.
Can you please take apart some of the variable valve timing phasers? It would be neat to see how they look inside.
They explode into pieces once the one screw holding the spring in place is taken off...
The dipstick segment was hilarious! Love your videos Eric, been watching for a little while now!
I really like the sound effects, the uh-oh, high pitched voiceovers and of course the dry humor. Thanks
I was exhausted just watching you limber up for the dipstick tube, no way i could have fought it afyer that.
Another great vid, thankyou Eric.
This is my first RUclips comment! Just had to let you know that I was cracking up at your pre workout before pulling the dipstick. 😂😂 keep them coming
Chrysler most likely make the 5.7's and 6.4's with an oil pump just good enough to last 100k miles before blowing up in order to keep people buying another vehicle every few years. Splash lubrication is a thing of the 60's. no modern v configuration engine is relaying on crankshaft run off to lubricate the cam. in my opinion the reason they fail is due to a sub-par oil pump that does not provide enough oil flow (volume) at idle. upgrading to a hellcat or Melling high VOLUME (not pressure) oil pump would most likely be the best way to prevent camshaft failure... great video btw. always interesting to see how these engines are made.
326,000 miles n my 2010 ram
Something of interest. A friend of mine builds and rebuilds Harley engines for for the public, and the race community. He showed me a roller lifter from one of the engines. The roller was almost square. His thoughts that the use of full synthetic oil was so slick that the roller was sliding and not rolling? Got me. Thanks for all the tear downs. Always interesting. Randy
Gold medal for dipstick removal!
The only thing missing was some 80s pop-rock and the training montage would have been complete!
I love the sound of head bolts cracking free - it sounds like victory.
This episode actually made this grumpy guy laugh out loud a couple times. Thank you!!! Good stuff as always sir 😂😂😂😂
Thanks!
Another great tear down. Always look forward to these. I can see Mrs. B has been making you go to the gym to train for the dip stick removal...😂
For a minute, I thought I was watching boot camp! Good warmup for pulling the dipstick tube. Great video!
this was probably one of the most chaotic teardowns yet! loved it.
What? This engine turned freely and all bearings were in OK shape for the most part. Where exactly did you see the chaos? The 2 failed lifters ?
@@DL101ca not talking about the engine genius.
The sound of the head bolts cracking loose is so satisfying!
A - I dunno if I happen to like the dipstick skits or the water pump skits more. I think those are both forever my favorites.
B - Seen it a few times. Although I'm no mopar tech. I've just seen it from few of my friends with 2500's and 1500's.
The dipstick tube workout was classic. Thanks as always for my Saturday night entertainment.
I have a 2017 5.7 with 290,000 km and I stick to 7500km oil changes and she's been a dream to own!
Synthetic? 5w 20?
Enjoy the fuel bills dude?
The was not changed very often in that engine. I have around a million miles on 5.7 hemis, VERY HARD MILES. These engines are extremely durable if properly maintained.
I agree. We’ve owned two Hemis. Best V8s we’ve owned. 200k on our current one. It doesn’t tick and runs like new.
Grab a beer sit back and enjoy the show.
in the days of dual overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, direct injection , twin turbos etc etc, this old pushrod v8 still survives. we have one in a '17 ram 1500. relatively simple compared to most engines these days and it still passes todays emissions standards
I would like to thank you Eric for getting around to one of these as I drive a ‘14 Ram 1500 with one of these engines, though as I am totally aware of the issue, I take much better care of mine. Mobil 1 full synthetic 5W20 and a Wix 57060XP every ~9000km’s(5600mi) and the old filter cut open afterwards. The factory recommended oil change interval is about 15000km’s(9300mi). It’s nice to see how the worn cam lobes and ruined lifters translates to metal in the pan, which then translates to bearing damage.
My truck has about 187000km’s(116000mi) on it now. It has had a mild tick from the engine for about the last 60000-80000km’s(37000-50000mi). The tick is almost inaudible when the truck is hot, and fully inaudible off of idle. The tick came on all at once but hasn’t gotten any worse in that time, and the truck runs fine and has never had a CEL or a misfire. A lifter failure of this sort wouldn’t take that long to manifest IMO. A few oil changes ago I pulled the oil pan and windage tray(easy on a RWD truck) to inspect the camshaft and lifter wheels as best I could, I saw nothing of note, and cleaning the oil pan turned up
Put in some Redline oil, the tick will likely go away.
I put in my 6.4 10w50 for the last 60.000km(as soon as the warrenty got out), its now on 180.000km, charger rt, and it doesn't have any weird sound, and i don't leave the car idle or anything like that. Not to mention that i drive it like i stole it.
@@snek9353 will take that into consideration
Yeah, my 2018 Ram 1500 manual says do not go over 10,000 miles for an oil change under any circumstances. Interestingly, it drops down to 8,000 miles for 2500 and 3500. Hopefully owners realize that's with full synthethic oil and not conventional, but for some reason this isn't mentioned in the manual.
In any case, looks like the 3rd gen Hemi's with MDS (circa '05 and later) definitely need to be taken care of on oil changes. Kind of crazy though that some can go 250-300K miles without this problem and some get it by ~50K miles. Makes one wonder if QA/QC wasn't controlled so tight by the cam manufacturer, doesn't it??
@@trainshot17I appreciate those details. I don't know the detail but have been hearing that Mobil 1 dropped quality in recent years, so I don't find that surprising. I used to be a big fan. As for the Pennzoil full synthetic that FCA dealers have been using for years, I don't have any concern with that... or should I bump it up to their Platinum product?
I do think this issue isn't as common as the internet makes it seem to be. I'm thinking it's a QA/QC issue from the cam supplier.
One could speculate all day on what causes these cam wipeouts on the Hemi. I personally think its due to the zinc being removed from motor oil. The newer Silverado trucks are doing this also.
GM trucks wipe out cams due to faulty lifter design. Nothing to do with oil on GM trucks
It's oil pressure. At idle and low RPMs it doesn't get enough oil to the cams and lifters.
Some people swap out the oil pump for the higher pressure one from the hellcat Hemi. Seems to solve it.
Crap design. Chrysler's gonna Chrysler.
Exactly the same as my 2011 hemi. I always maintained mine. I ended up rebuiding the top with comp cam, springs, push rods and lifters. It still runs very strong. I believe its caused the quality of lifter bearings used. BTW there was no lack of oil on\in my lifters upon removal during the rebuild. What's the odds that they all fail the same exact way, oil changed every 3k or not? If lack of oil was the cause it would happen on other lifters too. That engine was the same cylinder #5 as mine and ive seen many more fail in the same. Chrysler owes us hemi owners some doe.
Those steel head gaskets will slice you to the bone if you’re careless about removing them. I learned that life lesson last week. You’re never too old to learn something new 😂.
Oow wow wow 😂
I enjoyed your engine 5.7 teardown. Now retired, certified in light and semi tractor engines. My last years were as an oil and gas consultant overseas onshore/offshore. I have a hemi Jeep, but I've never had to see inside the hemi engines. Hopefully, mine will last a while. Good video!
Do you think we would be better to run 5W30 syn oil help save these engines instead of the 0W-20 oil that the dealer put in them!
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Thank you for tearing down this 5.7. I have a 2019; runs strong as an ox for now, but who knows what the future holds? Having seen the tear-down, I have a pretty good idea of what to expect should I need to dig into mine.
18 here after 15 years of 6.2s mostly
Preventing this issue is all about the oil, 5w30, zddp, and check the level often.
@@snek9353the 5.7L uses 5W20 😂
@@jmcghouly4515 That's what they tell you to put in yes, but it's not what's best.
@@snek9353idk bro, sounds like it’s just asking for that hemi tick, I think they recommend the lower viscosity oil to prevent the lifters from chewing themselves apart. I guess if you don’t have Mds that’s fine but anyone with Mds should probably just use the recommended oil.
This video, has just convinced me to not by a Dodge truck. I'll just rebuild my 91 Chevy 350 and keep going. Best of luck putting that engine back together and THANKS AGAIN !
Dumb. New Chevy is junk!
"What do you think of the water pump?" "Big fan."
Man, love your videios; I always learn alot. Keep up the great work brother.
12:14 I don't think you notice how the left most cylinder didn't move, when the others did move.😮😂
Because the pistons move at different speeds. They "dwell" at the top & bottom of each stroke..Think about it.
OMG, the training exercise and dipstick removal routine was hilarious! You should consider being a part-time comedian.
Ahh the Hemi Tick strikes again! It looked like a good core that could be rebuildable since they are a dying breed. Poorly maintained but it is a good buildable engine to someone.
A couple of years back, I almost bought a used '17 with this engine. I'm happy that I didn't!
Y’know, I hear a lot of bad stuff about the 5.7 Hemi. I have a 2003 Hemi with 300,000 miles on my original engine. I really truly think it’s attributed to routine maintenance and perhaps a stroke of luck, she’s been used like every Hemi should, loud and proud. But she still trucks along perfectly.
I have a 06 hemi with 240,000 miles the car got totaled mind you it’s been tuned hot beat the snot out of it we pulled the motor out in a different 300c and she still lives with over 280,000 hard beaten miles no issues …. Yet I believe when they are babied that’s when they have issues just saying
My 2003 Hemi has 270,000 orginal motor and trans. An i don't baby it either, been pulling a 7000lb travel trailer for the last 3 year all around united states. Its been to 38 states and a few multible times.
When they went to MDS system (multiple displacement system, or the cylinder deactivation) is when they turned to sh*t. Chevrolet has same issues with the system. Difference is the redesigned hemi oiling system that accommodates this system has issues with starving some parts of the engine. Then lifters fail. When the lifters fail (on hemi its the needle bearings in the lifter roller) its pure oil starvation. So older Hemi's have a much better track record. Its the transmissions in the older ones that were the problem. Engines lasted fine.
@@rodx5571 exactly, with the new oil desperation it starves the cam at idle and the lifters start to chew it up causing the Hemi tick, it’s fucking stupid that they would ruin such a good engine with the mds
@@rodx5571 i would agree, some people say because you idle to much. What is concider lots of idle time, if your in traffic? I live in Souther California so you know i'm spending lots of time in traffic, i have been towing a travel trailer and hooking and unhooking trailer i just let it idle plus for simple stops or if wife runs into stores i let it idle. This is before i even heard of people saying don't idle. 2003 Hemi (No MDS) 270,000 oringinal miles on motor and trans. But also on the trans when towing i'll lock out OD so its not constantly hunting for gears.
Great video, my 5.7 has 200k miles, I appreciate seeing what’s inside the engines, thank you
I have a 2004 5.7. I bought it with 187k. I'm now at 273k. Runs like a top. Maintainable if you change your oil and give her some cleaner every once in a while. The moral of the story is that youdo your maintenance.
Keep up with your cooling system maintenance, the risk with those early hemis is dropping seats from overheating them.
What the hell is a cleaner? I have a 20 year old Toyota V6 - never touch the engine.
One of the highlights of my weekend. Thanks for another great teardown, but holy cow that cam and lifter wear made we wince 😬
My 2005 5.7 L Ram had 300k miles
on the clock when I donated it off. It’s still running fine. Good synthetic
oil and 99% highway miles probably is why it lasted me so long 😃
Saw plenty of them with 250k plus miles and ran great. No oil leaks to boot.
T he only way to start a Sunday morning eating breakfast drink coffee and watch you teardown a engine.
That Miata's windshield looks distressingly like it was broken by the driver's head.
I'm still learning watching videos on YT. Can someone explain why idling on the Miata or any other engines is BAD?
Or airbag..
@@LouieRey-n1yGenerally long idle does not provide adequate lubrication to the upper cylinders, camshafts etc etc.
mmmm hmmm, that looks like a head print to me... :(
@@LouieRey-n1y in addition to what roving cyclops said, the engines tend to get pretty hot at idle.
All chrysler products have always been known for bad cam wear. Ive seen the cam bearings wear completely into the block at which point when they do that the engine is worthless then and unlike GM and ford there is no oil drain back thru the valley so the camshaft actually sarves for oil
Kind of redemption for the last 5.7 HEMI on this channel, they’re actually pretty stout all considering, seems like the suffer a lot from shotty maintenance more than anything. Thanks for this video 😊
Yep, out of all the late Hemi engines, the 5.7 seems to be the trooper. I’ve seen some with a lot of mileage (200,000 plus) and still running great.
Idle time kills them. The fleet vehicles that sit an idle all day don't make it past 80k miles.
The cylinder deactivation 5.7 are totally garbage. The 5.7 with regular lifters and rods are stout enough for a post 1990s engine
@@P7777-u7ri agrea my 2003 Hemi is before the deactivation and its still going strong with 270,000 oringinal miles and the last 3 years pulling a 7000lb. Travel trailer. Thats kinda one reason im waiting for the new Hurricane motor, i don't care for the 5.7 deactivation.
@@Giovanni_Adventureslook up truck central on here.... he has over 225k on his hemi 2019. Im at 72k with my 19
Thank you for posting this excellent video. I really liked your preparation for removing the dipstick.
I miss my old bug. It had exactly one wire running back to the engine.
I was thinking the same thing haha. Not the bug part, but that harness seems like a nightmare of problems
3 if you count the starter.
🤣🤣🤣😊
the white gelatinous goop in the water pump is blue devil
Glad you prepped for the dipstick removal Olympic event!
Eric, I have to say that I can remember when you tore apart a old motor it was going to be a work out because everything was cast iron or steel. I am sure you have tore apart a few old school motors . Have a great Sunday and thank you for sharing this with me. Enjoyable video as always, I will Thank you again.
FINALLY!!!
the bigger thing to check is the block can bow or warp I have one with a half inch bow to it. check in the main journals with strait edge.
That was probably the loosest engine on this channel recently...Good to know how to take mine apart if the time came.
loved the workout clip before pulling the dipstick.
I would love to see a Volkswagen W 12 (from a pheaton not the Bentley motor)
Or the W8 from a Passat.
This video is amazing!! This is definitely an eagle engine. Those VVT post 2009 eat up camshafts. The pre 2009 Drop valve seats. I guess a lot of people take the eagle heads and put them on older engines.
Just started, but as an owner of a 14 charger rt I predict cam and lifter issues
Edit:
15:42 called it 😂
26:40 called it 😂😂
You know what to do with yours though right?
@snek9353 oh yeah I know! I'm planning on a supercharger next year and those are definitely the things getting replaced
@@robwebster1098 Assuming you mean lifters, not what I was getting at, use a 5W30 with more ZDDP, check your oil level often, and up your idle RPM with AC on.
For that style of puller, if you use a big 3-jaw puller, flip it backwards(inside out technically), then put the hooks through the holes in the dampener, it will pull right out.
One thing I’ve noticed about almost every tear down….. evidence of using cheap, unbranded gas and cheap oil filters.
The camshaft journal had a lot of metal missing. A ton! So when you looked into the camshaft bore and said the bearings look ok, that was wrong. Dodge camshafts have been suffering for a long time now. ZDDP is the missing additive in the oil used in this engine. It usually prevents this type of damage due to the high pressures camshafts deal with and rely on oil to protect them. JS
I have 425,000 miles on the same hemi... never been apart.
I’ve never seen that kind of mileage out of these engines. What’s your secret?
Maybe he doesn't idle it alot
@@thomassabia5750one time a buddy came to lunch with me. I went to start the truck and said oh look- it's already running. 7:30-12:10 idling.
That is impressive.
Damn these videos! Got me up at night worrying about how my push rods look and do i have forbidden sparkles in my cylinder head! Damn!
It’s a toss up really honestly. You increase your chances if you take care of your engine. I have an 05 hemi with 260,000 miles that purrs like a kitten and a 17 ram 1500 that wiped a cam lobe twice. Mind you I put the best oils @ regularly scheduled service intervals
Mc D’s will get his order wrong, why should he be any different than everyone else!
my favorite part of saturday nights now that toonami is dead!
in all seriousness i love your videos. keep it up.
WE WANT MALICE!
In the palace?
Actually rather see tear downs like this. That way I know what junk engines to stay away from.
Malice in the palace
Am I the only one that likes the sound of the breaker bar you used tonight? 🤷♂️
A regular viewer of yours, I tell folks this is an educational channel,
Would like to see an old "F" head pulled apart,,, Ive rebuild a few over the years and they are interestingly different, Yet the same as you know,
F-head, as in an old Jeep hurricane?
Good pushups. You're in good shape. I haven't been able to do a pushup in years.
I enjoyed your Jerry Lewis routine.
Good video sir.
I am surprised by some of your findings.
Hopefully Dodge engineers learn from others findings.
I was one of the comments speaking on the low RPM starvation.
Also worth noting that these engines are known to consume oil at allowable rates that can see an engine with a 7 quart capacity running 1-3 quarts low by the recommended oil change interval. CHECKING YOUR OIL IS CRITICAL.
I check mine every other fuel up, I run full synthetic and a 10k mile interval.
Exhaust manifolds never come apart in the truck that easy. 😢
Project farm actually ran an engine with the crank case full of anti-seize, it did run, just not for very long.
I’m here for the malice