Another film from the 1960s-1970s revealing how police saw what they were doing during difficult riots etc. ruclips.net/video/PcU6WozmSHY/видео.html David Hoffman filmmaker
Holy shit, Mr.Hoffman.... this exactly how the left is today. Metaphorically speaking of course. For some years now, it's been this way where you just cant seem to please anyone. Even when the majority of people in office are fighting for those or their ideals.. But you know what? They're about to overturn Roe v Wade, and in my opinion call me crazy idk, I see a country prepared to go back towards the far right now and those kind of ideals be the more widely accepted and idk.. I don't know what to think of this other than history so very obviously repeating itself. Though I'd share my thoughts with ya! Would love to hear back as I am a huge fan of your work.
I disagree to an extent. There were several white students that said what the issue actually was, and I agree with them. The black people are preaching to the choir. They are debating and arguing with the universities which is a major supporter of their movement. The schools (for the most part) are not their enemy and I think since then, black people have come to realize that one of our biggest assets in creating the conversation and changing the standard is the higher academia. I think what we need now is to balance our argument. There’s things going waaay too far that are turning people against the movement. Like defunding STEM and having only black students show up to class and requesting all not black students stay at home for a few days. It’s following a doctrine that was enforced upon us when we shouldn’t be going tit for tat, we should be aiming to gain ground and equal footing and teaching to the next generation of Americans the current issues. The current issue is one of balancing the idea that black people were victims to the United States for hundreds of years vs teaching them that black people are normal US citizens. If you do too much of one, you end up overlooking the other when both are important in healing our communities.
@@doubleemcastillano464 There will be no healing in America because America refuses to admit to the atrocities committed against blacks. Even now, there's legislation to ban teaching of true American history in schools. Books about black history are being removed from school libraries-even a children's book about Rosa Parks has been removed. All of this under the veil of banning a theoretical construct that isn't even taught in schools. " Preaching to the choir" means telling people what they already know. You're right. America is well aware that there are disparities against black people in every area. There are plenty of studies and stats to back this up, but amending those issues are not and will never be a priority. And we have the nerve to tell black people to get over it, to stop talkin about it, and devote time and energy to the service of other causes. That is the deeper issue.
This whole video is "what about us" White People: "What about Vietnam?" Black People: "What about Racism?" Women: "What about Sexism?" The sad thing is that there are all correct, but even though they are all connected, someone will be left behind.
You are making the mistake of thinking there was ever a discussion. Reality is there was only a dog and pony show for both the black and white populace to suck up and be distracted by while the liberal democratic hegonomy is spread across the world at an alarming rate by Dem and rep alike. Geopolitics, world domination and the merger of private and public entities is the only thing both Dems and Reps agree on or care about. The fact anyone thinks social issues in politics is anything but a misdirection is why we may be doomed
@@beansntoastyt2616 Who said anything about politicians? Most debates today have lost their dialectical and problem-solving goals. It’s now a performance, cheering on a side, and trying to crush or embarrass your interlocutor.
Take, for example, a know-nothing reactionary like Ben Shapiro. He uses almost exclusively logical fallacies, and is known as the ‘cool kid’s hyper-logical philosopher’ for spewing out Breitbart propaganda at the speed of light. It’s an absolute embarrassment, yet he has the #1 political talk show podcast in the country (last time I checked).
Racism is still thick, and ignored. Afraid of change...😢while we suffer because of it. I shouldn’t worry about my sins to go into the store because we live in a nice neighborhood. We must go out with our young people to keep them safe. 50 yrs, and it’s still the same.
@@bronzed0181 Anyone who thinks racism is still "thick and ignored" is insane. Biggest problem impacting my people is my people. No data suggests otherwise.
@@Basiliano128 Thats the point of the comment really. No one actually has a conversation anymore. Its just arguments, and not even productive arguments at that. And as for the other comment above, the reason why they cater to the woke mob is because they are using them as pawns to further their agenda. These people that are part of cancel culture feel like they are in control for a brief moment when they destroy someone's life, but they are nothing more than puppets doing the work of the elites. The truth is if everyone who didn't have the same views as them just kept quiet, Stopped usingTwitter and so on and so forth, they would just destroy themselves in no time at all.
@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! what..this is really embarrassing for YOU cause that's literally just tiktok wake tf up What happens in Tiktok stays in Tiktok in real life no one can say "You are canceled!!" And it's not "the leftists" its cancel culture and just so you know you are one of them....you and all these people think yall are better than eachother but you guys are the same Dumbasses🙂😐
@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! please whether left or right if yall argue on who's better that's pathetic cause you guys are the same with different beliefs
I think this comment section is misunderstanding the fact that these students were aware their debate and entire conversation would be broadcasted nationally. Of course this is not representative of the everyday average classroom back then. I strongly strongly encourage you to attend a university debate event in today’s time because you’ll see our brilliant thinkers like these students today. Don’t get bogged down comparing this university’s absolute best to the typical debates and conversations going on today. I promise you there were idiots back then just like there are today the same way there were and still are brilliant and critical thinking minds. If anything we need to bring back this national broadcasting of University student debates to help ensure the smartest voices in academia today are heard over the noise of popularity online.
@@MrTheclevercat You say the left Burn Loot Murder... Have you any examples of the left murdering as they please? I've only heard of right-wing ideologues killing those on the left (e.g. driving cars into crowds). The fact that you used that play on BLM indicates to me that you get a lot of your information from an echo chamber, it's also very likely that RUclips serves up a lot of right-wing videos to you. So it's likely your view of discourse at universities is filtered through a right-wing lense, for example, through The Daily Wire or Dave Rubin videos. Were you also not concerned by the events at the Capitol in January?
There is a moderator. Did you not see people raising their hands at certain points? That's for the moderator to pick them to speak to prevent people just yelling at each other. This clip edited out the moderator, and this discussion was obviously longer than fifteen minutes. Most speakers were midway through talking when the video cut to them.
@@Thomas-xn4tk No matter how you slice it, people in this video were much better at sharing ideas and listening to each other than kids today. Except for that one black dude who kept talking over others, being angry, calling people white boy and determined to believe everyone is the enemy as well as posturing and making personal remarks. He is the primordial seed of today's woke SJW left.
wow. that's actually profound to think about. I'm 22 as I write this, and I really really hope that when I'm almost 60 that racial problems will not be rampant still
Thats the problem. They banned smoking and now people are too on edge to hold a conversation for longer than 30 seconds without screaming over each other.
@@suffsuff391 I'm not a smoker but you may actually be onto something significant there. I read some years ago that the seeds of the French revolution were planted in coffee houses.
@@suffsuff391 What about people who can't breathe effectively when someone next to them is smoking? They too have worked hard to be at the University and have the right to opportunity to participate in University debates. If someone wants to smoke that is entirely upto them but if it's going to have health impact on others too then doesn't it make sense to smoke before, during breaks, or after the debate in a "smoking room"?
David, it is difficult to express just how valuable you and your channel are. Sometimes I sit down and try to think of how difficult it would have been to access archival footage of this kind before the Internet existed. Stuff like this is what the Internet was invented for, and I'm so glad you've taken the time over the years to trawl through your archive and digitize it.
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Alexei I agree it’s stuff like this , David’s work , is what the internet was made for. I was so excited about you tube in 2005 , my older brother told me about it. My brother Alexander posted his acting and comedy skits , in 2005 he did one about Donald Trump and “The Blacks” who knew? The you tube I remember was filled with bright talented people of all ages, colors and backgrounds and some junk. Now you really have to look for the good stuff or push the algorithm for it.
I mean, perhaps if "people talking over you to the point you completely give up because it's obvious people are willfully avoiding discourse" is one's definition of civil.
@@mmybickers Well it's replaced by people screaming over you, plastering your name over social media and ruining whatever future career you were intending on, banging gongs in lecture halls and throwing shit.
@@Ericthefilo Are you talking about "civil race discussion"? what's more to discuss? This topic its known for decades and the answer is also known. So as the problem. Racists should be punished collectively by society
Well yeah, now white people are just told to shut up, or they're labeled a racist and they get fired from their jobs and their entire lives are ruined.
Naturally yet they have failed to recognize that things are better means things are changing. Change takes time for almost everyone. Them leaving just shows they were not concerned with the time it takes for thigns to change, cause, yeah, those privileged in power won't give it away so damn easily, so....I just leave? great response, brother.
Things have changed dramatically since back then....most of you weren't even alive in 68.....people...especially the Democrats just want to keep the 60s going.....living in the past is not beneficial to America...
as a young black father on my channel I have been teaching my son to build computers from age 5 .. he knows all the components on his own.. I want a better life for him so I'm being the change I want to see. Sad that stuff like what I'm doing is not pushed in the media Ayy didn't think I would receive so much support and love..but ayy it means allot thanks for all your kind words and encouraging messages
This. At the end of the day you should rely on yourself to take care of you and yours. No one is going to do it for you and you shouldn't expect others to care. We need to start taking responsibility for ourselves and everything else will fall in place. Good on you for being a responsible father.
@@dalem8878 thanks so much for encouragement.... yeah I realized this from when I was 18/19 how important self responsibility is..could have took many other paths in life. But I chose to be responsible and try do something productive with my life
I'm not sure what is sadder: 1) That this same exact debate has been raging for over 50yrs without the realization that it will never change, or 2) That we can't even have this debate on a college campus today.
Sounds to me like one side figured out the solution to ending part one by implementing part two. You can't debate if only one voice is heard. Problem solved... I guess.
People went around imagining that Trump told them to inject bleach, and then doubled down on it when the video was re-ran of him not saying that. We live in a world full of bizarre, incomprehensibly retarded people that makes one worried about the fact that these are also people who vote and directly affect other's lives.
They looked so much older compared to today. I am 30 and look like I'm in my 20s. I'll probably look 25 when I'm 40 and am happy about that. I am curious to see how the youngest generation will look when they are octogenarians. Not only do I not smoke. I eat healthy, take vitamins, exercise, and meditate 7 hours each week.
@@gxlorp they look older due to a combination of factors; we associate the clothing they wear with older people for one, as older people today have simply continued to wear the clothing worn in this video. Additionally there are some environmental/biological deviations which @I made an account just for this touched up on. For one, hormonal changes are in large a factor due to large amounts of plastic leeching in to the human body that mimick oestrogen. Additionally, foods were simply more nutrient rich back then, the soil in which we grow crops on these days is not as nutrient dense as it was back then since it needs to accomodate for more people and has therefore been depleted; having direct effects on our physical development.
Torture basically. Constantly swallowing stinky tobacco smoke 🚬 😤 mixed with bad smoker's breath and toxic germs of the smoker spreading toxicicity and grossness all throughout.
Wow this is huge to someone like me. Born in 97, there's no way I'd ever see this anywhere else really. Its so gratifying seeing opinions from people from a different perspective. With the movements today, its always important to have a civil discussion, or we get nowhere and learn nothing from each other. Thank you for your videos!
We are a more sensitive and perhaps over-educated society today. But I'd rather have that, than living back in those days with all the blowhards in their (literally) smoke-filled rooms.
These are college students having a debate. You’ll see similar and more advanced conversations within colleges today. More people are educated today. Society is vastly further ahead today. We have worlds more information and no way in HELL I’d ever wanna live during the time this video was recorded. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect taking place within your head.
What’s notable to me is that these people are having long-form conversation. It feels like there is greater opportunity for understanding one another in this context. Even once the black students left the conversation there was an effort to articulate why they felt it was necessary to do so. Discourse today is about scoring points, coming up with zingers, and trying to humiliate your opponent. It has lead to a polarization I don’t think our nation is going to overcome.
@@PlebianGorilla Kids are literally being taught to be racist. Look up critical race theory its everywhere, they say to white kids in primary school that they are racist and have white privilege its actually fucking disgusting honestly surprising people are still uninformed about it. Kids go to college/University and come out completely brainwashed by Marxist doctrines and massive debt both of which did not exist in 1968. Just look up any video of Ben Shapiro speaking to these kids and they're completely lost and the teachers are too blame.
It's fascinating, seeing older generations in their prime and talking about some of the very issues we still talk about and grapple with today. We do things differently but with the same general goal.
You can’t tell me that we as a society, (as a whole), have not lost the essential skill of active listening and responding to what has been said in a civil and intellectual manner.
Don't even need to go as far back as 1968 lol. This type of meeting has been lost and forgotten in the last 10-15 years, not the last 40. I had conversations such as these when I was in College and Uni only 11 or 12 years ago...Now all I see are people holding banners, running into halls and screaming slogans and not willing to debate or discuss anything. A conversation like this...I would honestly LOVE to sit down, with all the community members from all backgrounds and beliefs and talk about crap that is going on in our countries and our lives in order to extend the understanding to everyone involved.
23 year old watching from africa very interesting and what shocks me is how the modern debates are still so similar in terms of the issuers over 40 years later
@@Indusxstan everybody migrates to america from all around the world not just from africa, and why u asking him that question what it has to do with him? imigration is a personal choice
No, modern 'debates' are a lot less civil, and don't really ever get to the meat of the issues they propose to tackle. People turn up, canvas a few talking points, get tired of trying to convince the other person, and the civility breaks down.
I just Googled Jill Hultin, it looks like she’s still alive and an academic. She looks elderly now, yet this doesn’t look or seem that long ago. Time goes so quick, our experience as a human on Earth is so short.
@@entertainedsheep7668 - You are wrong, you’re getting confused with time and having a meaningful life. Even if you’re a Hindu or Buddhist monk living in a cave your whole life time is very short. Given that the average human life is only 79 years old, in the geological or cosmic sense of time our experience here is like the blink of an eye, even shorter. Even if your belief system is such that linear time is a human made construct and space time is elastic and cyclical, and that reincarnation is real, it doesn’t change the fact that this existence that you live in here and now on this plane of reality is extremely short. It may feel long to some, especially for a depressed nihilist or misanthrope who experiences no joy in life, but it still doesn’t change the fact that in the grand scheme of things a human lifetime is very short. In the same way that a white man might identify as a black woman, but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s not.
@@TheSonicDeviant human lifespan is not long nor is it short. Because saying that is based on perspective. There will always be things with a longer lifespan and with a shorter one aswell and both are equal. So you saying that life is short is half true.
@@entertainedsheep7668 - How long or short a lifetime feels is relative to the individual, but in the dispassionate harsh world of cold facts a human lifetime is very short.
@@robertyoul Why would one think a rational truthful line dates back to medieval times? Makes ya think about how postmodern life does not equal quality. Not by a long shot.
It’s sad we have less freedom today. The fact that you could smoke like that in the open and now it’s considered revolutionary. It would be interesting to see what people will say in the next fifty years from now. People will be shocked when they hear us speak. Holy smoke that non-binary male who was assigned at birth is assuming people’s genders and identities.
@@dr.vanhellsing Smoking is a poor example, though. They were ignorant of the true damage cigarettes caused. Same thing with asbestos, lack of respirators, agent orange, etc. They might have known it was bad, like over eating junk food, but they didn't REALLY understand like we do now. It's a good thing smoking is gone. But yes, in general, the more freedoms the better.
If a person finds themself talking about a subject they weren't perpare to talk about the only thing a person can fall back on is "it seems to me", "in my opinion", "from my experience". None if these statements come from a bad place in light of the fact that a persons experience is not devoid of value. How many students do you think in 1968 could have pulled out their phone to find out that the first black Harvard graduate was: •Richard Theodore Greener (January 30, 1844 - May 2, 1922) was the first African American graduate of Harvard College and went on to become the dean of the Howard University School of Law. Or that the first black University was established in: •Howard University, historically Black university founded in 1867 in Washington, D.C., and named for General Oliver Otis Howard, head of the post-Civil War Freedmen's Bureau, who influenced Congress to appropriate funds for the school. •Or the first post highschool for blacks was established in: The Institute for Colored Youth, the first higher education institution for blacks, was founded in Cheyney, Pennsylvania, in 1837. It was followed by two other black institutions--Lincoln University, in Pennsylvania (1854), and Wilberforce University, in Ohio (1856). No doubt there was oppression of non white people in many parts of the US but there was also ways out of the oppressive situation.
Sounds like this is the first time the black people in the group were invited to come and thought theyd be talking about their personal issues but instead the whites wanted to talk about whats going on in vietnam instead and the black people took offense when they’re facing their own hardships and the whites tried explaining they’re on their side while also explaining they don’t know what to do while some whites also took reoffence.. ect
@@Notpureftw Because the only way a society truly grows and progresses in from the inside outward, not by blaming others which has been the overwhelming theme for the past 15 and especially the last 5 years.
I think you're not alone. There's a reason all the comments are about "how civil the discussion is" and not about the subject matter. I couldn't tell you either lol, aside from that the black students think discourse about Vietnam is a political diversion from their issues
You do? Why? I don't have any idea what they are talking about either. BTW, neither do these students. They are all as useful as a sick baby to the rest of society. Nothing in their heads but fear, confusion, youth, and worst of all no direction. Listening to yourself philosophize is not a job and its certainly not an education. But yea....passion, I guess.
Usually we see history just through the lens of the major speeches, the major events, the major figures, etc. It's fascinating to see just how normal people thought about, talked about, and debated the social issues of their time.
It really let's you understand how every point in human history was populated by people just like us. Its fascinating to think of the context in which these people lived. WWII was only as long ago for them as 9/11 is to us.
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I feel like none of them are responding to each other, they are just talking for themselves regardless of what the previous person had said. It is not a debate or a conversation, just a series of speeches.
@born2xlr8 yep So they are polite and respectful? So what? It was part of the culture back then (respect teachers, don't talk over people, respect elders, don't interrupt, etc.). This was enforced at home (with a father in the household) and at school. Ultimately, the "discussion" has no continuity, no central agreed upon purpose, and ultimately no result. It accomplishes nothing. Just each person giving a quick point about a loosely connected theme. Definitely better than a lot of the discussions today which go straight to interrupting, name calling, straw man arguments, and self-victimization.
Yeah people are thinking that this is so much different from today lol, it's only in the way they carry themselves, but up in those brains, the exact same thing is going on, just a whole lot of cognitive dissonance because they don't feel heard. :)
I agree it isn't perfect, but people were clearly listening intently, even if not coming to a conclusion or compromise. Check out 6:02, everyone laughs immediately at a joke, showing complete focused listening and understanding of all that's being said, even if they don't agree.
@@herbs4135 I don't think the problem lies in listening, but rather in understanding the perspectives of the people talking and there goes a lot of effort into doing that, most people have a lot of cognitive biases which bend the message of what people are actually saying, it's not that they're not listening they simply don't understand because they are grounded in their own views and experience.
Graduating from Berkley in 64 and buying a home near by. I've lived a life of regret and seen the failings of a public school system. I remember thinking we were so cutting edge, we had thoughts and ideas nobody has ever had. Now, 60 years later, nothing has changed and college kids think the same thing. Are we in a circle? We never accomplished anything. I did live at a comune though. Free love was never free just ask my doctor.
Would've loved to hear the full forum. I've been watching your videos for some time now and I always gain insight from every discussion. History never gets old and is driven by preservation. That being said, you are a true guardian to the ideas of our past. Thanks for sharing all the footage!
Hell, college students of my generation (1980s) were a lot more mature than the spoiled brats of today. However, we were a lot more apathetic and fashion conscious than today's brats; nothing even close to a BLM movement was even conceivable in 1989, just a lot of leather Africa medallions and rhetoric.
@@joeburly Well like, seriously like, literally almost all of them like, some of them are fire i admit that, some of them have swag, but like, most are like ew like, literally like dumb.
Aside from a few interruptions and some real frustrated passion, this was actually a really civil discussion. This would quickly turn into a bar room brawl today in 2021.
The only reason it didn't then is because the cops would come crashing down on them and they'd get jail time for it. Nowadays you'd get a slap on the wrist.
the last dude's point was the most truthful and important point made throughout this whole video. we focus on the people who are the most sympathetic and willing to change , and the most progressive, while ignoring the real evil bastards that should have our full undivided attention. We are constantly biting the hand that feeds us, or is trying to feed us, while ignoring the people who would rather see us starve.
That just makes me think of the wretched "Great Reset" feudalist/ totalitarians, and so called, "environmentalists" that Biden is catering too. NOTHING is good in these matters. Just a new kind of slavery, and nothing about liberty..
It was such a great debate...the Black students had to walk out. There is no screeching on Twitter, maybe you're just upset POC have a voice there?? Maybe you like this style of discourse, because it was easier for White people to ignore Black people?? Hmmm...
@@kgs6032 Twitter is a dumpster fire of ignorance regardless of colour, as evidenced by your comment. But hey, nice try making it about self-victimization whilst attacking white people, of course, as usual...in just a few short lines you managed to lie, victimize, attack and be a hypocrite all at once. That kind of mentality is exactly why the modern day social-political climate in America is in the toilet and we're all the lesser for it.
@@brendielahooha on the dot. not in the right platforms too. i would like to see these conversations being had and change to be implemented that makes both parties happy feel heard. and to move forward finally. the issue keeps getting ignored and it just gets worse. we treat many things that way. they just don't want us to find peace
@@josh18230 wtf is masculine about losing testosterone to chemicals. Ur feminizing urself with those smoke sticks. Be a man, be sober. Beer and whiskey have phytoestrogens too js
Lol are you kidding me? Yes there are still racial problems in the US, but it is a LOT better than the 60s. In the 60s you literally had people supporting segregation in government.
@@SparrowValentine In what way is racial equality worse today than then? It’s significantly FAR BETTER. Please explain what is worse for blacks today as oppose to in the 20th century?
What is a University if not it's students? In the end, this quote falls flat, because what you're advocating for is inaction. The same inaction that has and will continue to destroy lives.
@@justinmoore5096 The issue is, people are still very young and stupid when they enter university, so if it does take a side, it can very well be the wrong side without most students knowing so, and in this particular institution taking up this role, they become particularly effective propagandists as they masque as an intellectual authority. The university needs to lay the foundation for critical thinking, if it merges that into emotional irrational politics, like we see today, we will continue to have the institution churn out brainwashed morons who are neither intelligent with capable critical thinking skills nor on the right side of history, just useful political pawns of politicians who use morality and ideas of oppression as their rhetoric People of my generation can not understand a correct idea if it's against what they are emotionally invested in if there lives depended on it. Our education system and media has ruined countless people, turning them into the evil which they wanted to work against(And often, something much worse)
If any of these former students see this, it would be interesting for someone to organize and document a follow up conversation. How have these people's views/attitudes changed (or not changed)over the years? Have they become more understanding of each other's concerns or have they become more polarized? If they feel no ground has been made in the past 50+ years, what do they think the solution is? I understand that, sadly, many of them may not be with us anymore, but it would be so interesting to hear that conversation.
True. Occasional bursts are inevitable when including the grand spectrum of various individuals. For the most part however, opposing opinions we're voiced and given heed, planting the seeds of resolution.
@@rexyz5875 ....not all of us. and far more youth get info from independent sources, while older folks condemn us all by getting their "info" from msm propaganda networks. - thanks for destroying our future btw.
@@ohh1065 Not anywhere near as impactful as it was on the soldiers themselves and pulling our troops out for political rather than strategic reasons will always be a foolish if not treasonous move.
@@pfzht what strategic benefit does fighting a losing war against farmers, in a country on the opposite side of the world, have for the USA? it put its hand in the cookie jar and tried to cut off its own fingers once it got caught red-handed
@@Americansikkunt I disagree that "they're still complaining", like they shouldn't speak on the wrongs committed against them. Your comment gives off the idea that you think they should be silent no matter what happens. I hope that's not why you said that.
It's so eye-opening hearing such loud and incredible voices speaking so bravely so far back about the things that are back into a loud conscious moment of culture in America. Dues were being paid and folks have been struggling to talk about this true struggle for such a long time.
Back then college students did not go into college directly after high school. there were no scholarships back in those days or financing. Thus it was common college age was starting 24 and up.
I like those days, people earned for themselves instead of relying on being taken care of so it breeded independent minds that was based on common sense first rather than pure rationality. Good times good times.
I like those days, people earned for themselves instead of relying on being taken care of so it breeded independent minds that was based on common sense first rather than pure rationality. Good times good times.
@@kerosj9975 UofI tution 1968 = 1400~ min wage = 1.60 = 875 hours of work = 1 year of school .... UofI tuition 2020 30,302min wage = 9.25 = 3275 hours = 1 year of school
@MrSteezyR he seems like a nice guy I agree with his talking points and the black students talking points both sides are correct but both are wrong at the same Time
Pros: -makes listening to the other side tolerable -everyone is too out of breath to fight or start an annoying chant Cons: -everyone looks 15 years older
@@SFVYachtClub So in order to reach peak acceptance of views and legitimate debate and communication. Little Timmy at 5 years old should accordingly look 60 and by 19 look 200.
The whole point is they were worried about napalm over in Vietnam and they couldn't even get their act together in the states! Couldn't even treat American citizens properly but needed to have this debate regarding the Vietnam War. It was hypocritical!
Its because of the mental block of white superiority and an unwillingness to confront the true horrors of the history here. They could not see the hypocrisy because to see it would be to align their own image in the mirror with the horror of the ideologically manifested image of the U.S. as the unregulated evil of Vietnam. They accepted the country as a whole perpetrating a fraud against the Vietnamese but could not accept the mass of the white population was complicit in the continued abuse of blacks on various levels. How much responsibility one accepts is up to them and in wanting to believe you at heart are good blinds you a bit to the depth of the struggle. Like is not about whether you as an individual are a "good" person. What does that even mean.
Did you miss the part where "A black" leader told the "whites" to back off and take care of their own people. Well the "whites" did this and now the "black" who have not developed anything in years now want to go to the "whites" and tear them down. INCONCEIVABLE!!!
@Mark Spencer Amerila yeah, what we did in Vietnam is not trivial. It's horrific. Our imperialism is what keeps first worlders so well fed, and with a decent quality of life. And that's precisely why the white middle class back then wasn't looking for change. If you're led to believe that capitalism created that great economy, rather than imperialism, then you'll keep turning a blind eye to the imperialism. And that's the entire game in a nutshell. It's a trick from the western establishment. The racism is built into capitalism. So if you're looking to address racism without addressing imperialism, you'll get nowhere. And that's exactly what's happening today, as black and white Americans ignore what's happening in Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc. Instead focusing on BLM, which accomplished what exactly? Nobody can give a real answer to that question. But the establishment plasters it all over the media, because it distracts from imperialism, which is their key to holding onto power. Get it? I didn't think so (sigh)
For those who don't know, the universities had invested in Dow chemichals. Dow chimachals made napalm. Napaulm was used to burn down the jungles of Vietnam. It also fell on oit's children. There haed been a famouse picture of a naked Vietnamese girls screaming, burning alive. That is why Dow Chemichals is mentioned so much.
Great communications skills all around, but I think it's difficult to go deep into any topic when you have so many people giving their opinions with great passion. Fascinating regardless.
I don’t know how many college debates you’ve been to, but the conversation here is all circular as any other debate. all the “young people” and “youth” this and no one gets to a conclusion. just because they’re quiet about it doesn’t mean they understand, if that was the case, we wouldn’t be here now.
Malcolm X's "the black coffee" speech fits perfectly in this discussion. Adding a little white liberals into a strong black movement is like adding creamer to a strong black coffee that wakes you up to dull it's effect.
@@HaaaTayo what’s ludicrous is you saying that but yet you have playlists of hip hop and reggae on your page lol. Two genres and the music you have in it that talks about these very things in its own way so idk how you can’t understand the relevance of then to now. That’s the problem with y’all. You like our music and admire our culture, but not the people who created it. Goodbye lol
@@ayokiff1073 I love reggae and hip hop, and I know what they speak about. Yet i can never fully know because I have not lived it like they have. But to say America is the same now racially, as it was in 1968? I don't know what to respond to that, other than saying that it is ludicrous.
@@HaaaTayo YOU interpreted that’s what my statement meant. I never even said specifically the bigger picture. But you’re right you don’t know what life in America is like and so again it’s ludicrous of you to make such a comment with lack of depth in the topic but yet you love our music.
Up until recently Americans talked with more effort in an American style accent. It's the only way I can explain it. I've had older coworkers who sound very different.
@@crussteasock4047 very true. There is so much more that makes us similar than differentiates us. Human history has taught us that humans will find any reason to differentiate one another, easiest features being personal appearance. We cannot make up for the pasted by taxing the present, it just will lead to exacerbate an issue. We must work towards true equality, its not easy or a quick process but it is one that actual breeds results,
@@crussteasock4047 That's a fundamental truth that I live by, only hitch in it is that there is always a person, a community, a culture, a race, a nation that feels it got the short end of the stick and they're not necessarily wrong, somebody has/had to, but that resentment builds very quickly and easily, and is passed on like a meme, in the actual sense of the word of course. Tragically the only way to escape this inevitability would be for everyone to somehow all be a little less Human, it's just that hard wired - just look at the 'modern' solutions that have reared their ugly head, violence, disorder and a black and white mentality that sets everyone back to the beginning, back to the, "Us versus Them" Hopefully we get there as a species at some point but the last couple decades of regressive arguments and sentiments leave me feeling pessimistic.
16:12 "That's one way of handling that problem, I don't know if I agree with it, but I wouldn't put it down because I don't know a better one." Wow, I really like that response. Astounding that a response like that would be scorned when talking about problems today.
Her picture was one of the most iconic images of the Vietnam War: a girl running naked down a road, screaming in pain after a napalm attack. Her name is Phan Thi Kim Phúc, but to many people, she's known as the Napalm Girl. She was only 9 years old when that photograph was taken by The Associated Press photographer Nick Ut, for which he won a Pulitzer Prize. That photo exposed the horrors of the Vietnam War to the world. It also left Kim Phúc bitter and full of hatred. Later, she picked up the Bible and converted to Christianity. Today, she lives in Toronto with her family and helps other children victims of war around the world. In between her trips, she shared her story with The World. The World: First, describe that day - June 8, 1972. What were you doing before that picture was taken and what happened next? Kim Phúc: We were allowed to play inside of the temple nearby the bomb shelter. I remember after lunch, we heard the noise of some burning outside ... suddenly, the soldiers asked the children to run out of the temple. I saw the planes were very fast, very loud. As a child, I didn't know anything. And I turned my head. I saw four bombs landing ... then suddenly, the fire was everywhere around me. I didn't see anybody else. And then the fire burned off my clothes, and I saw the fire on my left arm. I used my right hand to wrap it up. That's why my right hand got burned, as well. You just put the fire out with your hand? Yes. That moment, I was terrified, you know. Then, I ran out of that fire, and I saw my brothers and my cousins and some soldiers with us, probably South Vietnamese soldiers who protected us in the temple. Then, we kept running and running and running, until I was too tired to run anymore. And I saw a lot of people. They stood on the street, and I cried out, "Too hot, too hot." And I remember one of the soldiers; he gave me some water to drink. He poured water over my skin. At that moment, I passed out. I didn't remember anything. I lost consciousness that day.
Phan Thi Kim Phúc and her husband were sent to "college" in Cuba. This was probably a ploy to shame the U.S. They were on a flight to Russia that had a refueling stop in Canada, and escaped to claim Political Asylum in Toronto. Kim Phúc dedicated her life to helping the young victims of war.
That was the picture that activated my 9 yr old life. I picked up a Life magazine, there it was. Nobody in my family could talk to me after that. I was against war and joined Black Panther Party when I turned 18. We've been fighting war ever since. I also was sent to Cuba thru Canada on the Venceremos Brigade. Nothing wrong with Cuba except the embargo. While in Cuba, we cut cane with young people from all over the world. It was hell on 18 year old americans. One day the Vietnamese Young People's Brigade came to cut cane in solidarity with all of us international young people and I'll never forget how their bus stopped at the end of a long gravel driveway leading into the camp, and the Vietnamese got off and bunched around their bus and looked at us. We were all at the other end of the driveway and were so ashamed. What could we do, or offer a people so brutalized by predatory capitalists and white supremacists that words were inadequate. There were people from Canada, Italy, France, Germany, Africa, America, when all of a sudden one American boy who looked like the student with long hair and blue shirt just burst out running down the driveway with his arms outstretched, and then one Vietnamese person started running toward him, and all Americans started running and fell into each other's arms sobbing. There were no words. There still are no words. That's why white Americans must LISTEN to what the black man is saying, not interrupt or veer off into nonsense, and do what progressives do best - ONE LOVE all peoples. Power to the people. Today is the people have the power. We rise together or not at all.
It's a shame it did not galvanize the world into effective action against the evil of communist regimes that kill, torture and imprison dissenters and had already done what happened to this girl to thousands and thousands of people whose only crime was having a dissenting opinion. Instead it was used more to demoralize those fighting those regimes.
@@stephentroup7943 who you talking about? The USA did all that torture, kill, in the name of fighting "communism" in national independence movements. Raise your head in defense of your own resources and culture, you will be labeled and destroyed by imperialist powers, white power. Don't call liberation movements communist. That's not the point. The point is self-determination. I am very educated thru my own efforts and experience and do not fall easily for the okey-dokey put out by white supremacists whatabouts. For that I'm grateful to patient teachers in the third world countries I have lived in, where communism is not an issue, but the United States is.
Only if you don't know what you are doing! Do you think becoming a doctor is possible without institutional education? Or Engineering? Or Law? It is good to rely on someone who has more knowledge than you! Especially when you do not know what knowledge is good and knowledge is bad!
@@zenjm6496 My apologies I spoke very broadly. I wasn’t referring to professional degrees , more so some of the liberal arts and how they are marketed as degrees with high employability when they are degrees for the sake of knowledge sake. Which is also not a bad thing, but a lot of individuals are funnelled into the education for cash,requiring loans. A lot of 18 year olds I feel may not have the financial literacy to understand the agreement they are signing up for. When I said education is useless in agreement with the individual at the 11th minute, I felt the social issues then and now are best overcome by human empathy and being willing to fully hear out all sides not matter how much we may personally disagree.
@@kwadwoamponsah I'm sorry but if someone don't know what they want to do with their life by 18, god help them. See one has to be a part of a community or family that should should sort of guide him/her. In my culture it is the duty of the parents to educate their children and make them presentable before the society. Of course there are a lot of rebels. I agree with the last part :)
@zenjm I'm sorry but if you think that once you turn 18 you need to choose one thing to do for the rest of your life, you must be pretty boring. People change and grow all the time, lol, it's the human experience. Also, how would anyone pick their own "perfect" route unless they spent enough time down every single path to find the one they prefer.
@@phkg3255 of course. I was an engineer, now I'm into marketing. People evolve. That is totally fine. You don't fix on a path and follow just that. You have to be open to opportunities! What I meant was if you are not disciplined and clear minded by 18 you are screwed! This may not be the popular opinion though!
yup, fat cats and politicians been running everything since day 1, and all the little people complaining and arguing and just getting by lol. Build power for yourself, no one will give it to you
The black students walked out Clearly they were offended... They just tolerated the comments from the white side and really tried to explain their side as black people but clearly went over their heads
Why shouldn't people be offended if their lives are being threatened daily and people just want to act neutral about it? Stoicism or centrism are weak responses to an urgent situation and the continued harassment and erasure of people based on the colour of their skin should be met with offence and urgency.
@chico racist issues on campus are student issues and everybody should be involved in working to make campus life better for everyone. The meeting was about the Vietnam war, the black students were invited to voice their thoughts and feelings about it because the white students felt the Vietnam War was an issue ALL Americans should be concerned about. Their point is that why can the war be an issue for ALL Americans but anti black racism is just an issue for black people....
@big tornadoes Let's face it.. they didn't want to "debate", they wanted full and total domination of the discourse. Even when people did speak on racial issues, they were still upset and talked down to other people. Awesome progress, little has changed sadly.
PBS did a follow-up on the members of the Berkeley Free Speech Movements, a pretty tame bunch for the times. Their reaction was more or less "What was I thinking then?" But this is not any major criticism.
This is so intriguing. I initially thought this would be from the 80s, and then I read the description and it's from the 60s. I googled the names and found that a lot of the people who spoke here has already passed away, or the student who spoke and had amazing careers and retired. It really offers a deep perspective about how history is repeating itself. Think of it, the people in the video are probably of the grandparent generation of the majority of the viewer of this video. Thank you David Hoffman. If the man around 11:00 is correct in stating that the university has failed, your videos has certainly taught us something.
@@judywalter9412 The late sixties depended on where you were. The media like the hippies and drugs. On the political scene, things were getting very serious.
Being a black man in America, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had this very conversation with people. People can be so intent on overlooking what’s happening in America that they go and look at what’s being done in another country. We’ve been dealing with the SAME racial issues in America since it began but somehow it seems more comfortable to just find another problem to focus on rather than fix our pre-existing issues.
@@asbestosfibers1325 yes it is wrong, but it’s also racism. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against someone because of their race based on the belief that ones own race is superior. Are you going to tell me that Dylann Roof was not racist but evil? He was evil, but one of the evils was racism. You’re argument is like saying rape doesn’t exist, it’s either right or wrong. Yes, forced sex with another person is wrong and evil...but it’s also rape.
We’ll hold on there real quick, it seems to me that blacks actually have it great in this country, in fact better than any other country, the movement has reversed to the point that blacks actually have an advantage against other races just so they can “keep up”, prove me wrong.
Another film from the 1960s-1970s revealing how police saw what they were doing during difficult riots etc. ruclips.net/video/PcU6WozmSHY/видео.html
David Hoffman filmmaker
Holy shit, Mr.Hoffman.... this exactly how the left is today. Metaphorically speaking of course. For some years now, it's been this way where you just cant seem to please anyone. Even when the majority of people in office are fighting for those or their ideals.. But you know what? They're about to overturn Roe v Wade, and in my opinion call me crazy idk, I see a country prepared to go back towards the far right now and those kind of ideals be the more widely accepted and idk.. I don't know what to think of this other than history so very obviously repeating itself. Though I'd share my thoughts with ya! Would love to hear back as I am a huge fan of your work.
That Edward Shwartz seems like an alright guy idk. That "well gentleman I think we're uncovering racism here today" line was gold.
Sadly, the Jesuit education system handpicks their prey the rest are fed to the sharks with a minimal education and student debt to this day
Back when students in their 20s looked 35+
Lol that's so true!
I was just thinking I'm 38 and I look younger than every single person in this.
compared to these guys I look like a 13 year old smh
@@apatameh5155 that's a good thing
Maybe from breathing in all that unfiltered cigarette smoke. 😤
This doesn't make sense. There is no moderator and they are still waiting for each other to finish their sentence! I don't believe this is real!
it was called "respectful discourse". People used to listen to others "reasons" regardless, unless it was "batsh*t" insanity
Hahahhah love that
Right what kind of humane adult bs is this
I feel sorry for you . Are you implying a conversation between people without a moderator isn't real ?
@@ginafranciosi3252 he's saying people don't respect each other enough anymore
“The fact that this discussion hasn’t gotten anywhere is a testament to how deep the problem is”
Amen, still talking the same old crap , it's either very tragic or very stupid and going nowhere
I disagree to an extent. There were several white students that said what the issue actually was, and I agree with them. The black people are preaching to the choir. They are debating and arguing with the universities which is a major supporter of their movement. The schools (for the most part) are not their enemy and I think since then, black people have come to realize that one of our biggest assets in creating the conversation and changing the standard is the higher academia. I think what we need now is to balance our argument. There’s things going waaay too far that are turning people against the movement. Like defunding STEM and having only black students show up to class and requesting all not black students stay at home for a few days. It’s following a doctrine that was enforced upon us when we shouldn’t be going tit for tat, we should be aiming to gain ground and equal footing and teaching to the next generation of Americans the current issues. The current issue is one of balancing the idea that black people were victims to the United States for hundreds of years vs teaching them that black people are normal US citizens. If you do too much of one, you end up overlooking the other when both are important in healing our communities.
@@doubleemcastillano464 There will be no healing in America because America refuses to admit to the atrocities committed against blacks. Even now, there's legislation to ban teaching of true American history in schools. Books about black history are being removed from school libraries-even a children's book about Rosa Parks has been removed. All of this under the veil of banning a theoretical construct that isn't even taught in schools.
" Preaching to the choir" means telling people what they already know. You're right. America is well aware that there are disparities against black people in every area. There are plenty of studies and stats to back this up, but amending those issues are not and will never be a priority. And we have the nerve to tell black people to get over it, to stop talkin about it, and devote time and energy to the service of other causes. That is the deeper issue.
This whole video is "what about us"
White People: "What about Vietnam?"
Black People: "What about Racism?"
Women: "What about Sexism?"
The sad thing is that there are all correct, but even though they are all connected, someone will be left behind.
You are making the mistake of thinking there was ever a discussion. Reality is there was only a dog and pony show for both the black and white populace to suck up and be distracted by while the liberal democratic hegonomy is spread across the world at an alarming rate by Dem and rep alike. Geopolitics, world domination and the merger of private and public entities is the only thing both Dems and Reps agree on or care about. The fact anyone thinks social issues in politics is anything but a misdirection is why we may be doomed
This is the longest cigarette commercial I have ever seen.
Lol...😂🤣😂🤣🤣
Think i'd begin smoking too if I was there debatin'.
Girl. That should’ve been the discussion..if they only knew
lmao
Tobacco cigarettes were still cool but what is not cool the bunch of comments like this, so far from the point of the video.
back when debates didn’t sound like a sitcom.
Facts
That’s a lot of generalizing for only about 100 “big” debates with politicians over the years, you shouldn’t have that kinda mindset
Noticeably missing the applauds for punchlines
@@beansntoastyt2616 Who said anything about politicians? Most debates today have lost their dialectical and problem-solving goals.
It’s now a performance, cheering on a side, and trying to crush or embarrass your interlocutor.
Take, for example, a know-nothing reactionary like Ben Shapiro. He uses almost exclusively logical fallacies, and is known as the ‘cool kid’s hyper-logical philosopher’ for spewing out Breitbart propaganda at the speed of light.
It’s an absolute embarrassment, yet he has the #1 political talk show podcast in the country (last time I checked).
"it is foolish to speak to someone who is not listening" -someone wiser than me
Racism is still thick, and ignored. Afraid of change...😢while we suffer because of it. I shouldn’t worry about my sins to go into the store because we live in a nice neighborhood. We must go out with our young people to keep them safe. 50 yrs, and it’s still the same.
@@bronzed0181 There are still issues but it's not the same, don't be so glum man.
@@bronzed0181 Anyone who thinks racism is still "thick and ignored" is insane. Biggest problem impacting my people is my people. No data suggests otherwise.
What? Stop trolling. Either you white or trolling.
@@PajamaJazama ive been around long enough to know what’s true
No matter what the subject or issues, seeing people actually hold a conversation is beautiful.
Not any more, notnin US. no more free speech. Only left and nothing more. Congrats US
@@Basiliano128 Thats the point of the comment really. No one actually has a conversation anymore. Its just arguments, and not even productive arguments at that.
And as for the other comment above, the reason why they cater to the woke mob is because they are using them as pawns to further their agenda. These people that are part of cancel culture feel like they are in control for a brief moment when they destroy someone's life, but they are nothing more than puppets doing the work of the elites.
The truth is if everyone who didn't have the same views as them just kept quiet, Stopped usingTwitter and so on and so forth, they would just destroy themselves in no time at all.
@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! what..this is really embarrassing for YOU cause that's literally just tiktok wake tf up What happens in Tiktok stays in Tiktok in real life no one can say "You are canceled!!" And it's not "the leftists" its cancel culture and just so you know you are one of them....you and all these people think yall are better than eachother but you guys are the same Dumbasses🙂😐
Until the black guys get frustrated they aren’t the center of attention and walk out
@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! please whether left or right if yall argue on who's better that's pathetic cause you guys are the same with different beliefs
I think this comment section is misunderstanding the fact that these students were aware their debate and entire conversation would be broadcasted nationally. Of course this is not representative of the everyday average classroom back then. I strongly strongly encourage you to attend a university debate event in today’s time because you’ll see our brilliant thinkers like these students today. Don’t get bogged down comparing this university’s absolute best to the typical debates and conversations going on today. I promise you there were idiots back then just like there are today the same way there were and still are brilliant and critical thinking minds. If anything we need to bring back this national broadcasting of University student debates to help ensure the smartest voices in academia today are heard over the noise of popularity online.
Exactly!
Just signed up for debating society!
@@MrTheclevercat You say the left Burn Loot Murder... Have you any examples of the left murdering as they please? I've only heard of right-wing ideologues killing those on the left (e.g. driving cars into crowds).
The fact that you used that play on BLM indicates to me that you get a lot of your information from an echo chamber, it's also very likely that RUclips serves up a lot of right-wing videos to you. So it's likely your view of discourse at universities is filtered through a right-wing lense, for example, through The Daily Wire or Dave Rubin videos.
Were you also not concerned by the events at the Capitol in January?
well said.
@@sb_dunk exactly
No moderator?
Active listening?
I’ll be damned. 🧐
there was a moderator i
believe he was the guy in
the red chair with the mustache
and glasses
There is a moderator. Did you not see people raising their hands at certain points? That's for the moderator to pick them to speak to prevent people just yelling at each other. This clip edited out the moderator, and this discussion was obviously longer than fifteen minutes. Most speakers were midway through talking when the video cut to them.
@@Thomas-xn4tk No matter how you slice it, people in this video were much better at sharing ideas and listening to each other than kids today.
Except for that one black dude who kept talking over others, being angry, calling people white boy and determined to believe everyone is the enemy as well as posturing and making personal remarks. He is the primordial seed of today's woke SJW left.
walking out and refusing to listen. welp that didnt last long.
Hello sweetness
Was 5 yrs old when this conversation took place.
Almost 60 now and the conversation continues
wow. that's actually profound to think about. I'm 22 as I write this, and I really really hope that when I'm almost 60 that racial problems will not be rampant still
youre the same age as my dad. He's from 63 as well. Im 21 myself
I was one year old. 54 now. I think the conversation will continue for another 54 years plus.
Conversation? No - there is no conversation going on; one sided monologues at best.
Same old bitchfest. No one's ever satisfied.
I like how these 30-year-old teenagers are respectfully discussing serious issues while smoking a cigar at their University
Thats the problem. They banned smoking and now people are too on edge to hold a conversation for longer than 30 seconds without screaming over each other.
@@suffsuff391 Finally getting to the heart of the problem
WHen smoking was banned in my school everybody died inside.
@@suffsuff391 I'm not a smoker but you may actually be onto something significant there. I read some years ago that the seeds of the French revolution were planted in coffee houses.
@@suffsuff391 What about people who can't breathe effectively when someone next to them is smoking? They too have worked hard to be at the University and have the right to opportunity to participate in University debates. If someone wants to smoke that is entirely upto them but if it's going to have health impact on others too then doesn't it make sense to smoke before, during breaks, or after the debate in a "smoking room"?
I kept trying to figure out who the heck Diggett was...then I realized it was a DIG IT catchphrase. How 60s. LOLOLOL
😂🤣😂
Oh I thought that was someone’s name or something lmao
I'm right there with ya
I can dig it.
Wow....y'all been living under a rock for how long?
David, it is difficult to express just how valuable you and your channel are. Sometimes I sit down and try to think of how difficult it would have been to access archival footage of this kind before the Internet existed. Stuff like this is what the Internet was invented for, and I'm so glad you've taken the time over the years to trawl through your archive and digitize it.
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Alexei I agree it’s stuff like this , David’s work , is what the internet was made for. I was so excited about you tube in 2005 , my older brother told me about it. My brother Alexander posted his acting and comedy skits , in 2005 he did one about Donald Trump and “The Blacks” who knew? The you tube I remember was filled with bright talented people of all ages, colors and backgrounds and some junk. Now you really have to look for the good stuff or push the algorithm for it.
@@jazzyjones6375 what's your brother's channel?
The internet truly is humanity greatest achievement.
This is the most civil race discussion I've seen in years.
Like... fifty two years?
I mean, perhaps if "people talking over you to the point you completely give up because it's obvious people are willfully avoiding discourse" is one's definition of civil.
@@mmybickers Well it's replaced by people screaming over you, plastering your name over social media and ruining whatever future career you were intending on, banging gongs in lecture halls and throwing shit.
@@Ericthefilo Are you talking about "civil race discussion"? what's more to discuss? This topic its known for decades and the answer is also known. So as the problem. Racists should be punished collectively by society
Well yeah, now white people are just told to shut up, or they're labeled a racist and they get fired from their jobs and their entire lives are ruined.
What the elder black gentleman said really struck a chord... to say things are better than they were doesn’t equate to them being good.
Naturally yet they have failed to recognize that things are better means things are changing. Change takes time for almost everyone. Them leaving just shows they were not concerned with the time it takes for thigns to change, cause, yeah, those privileged in power won't give it away so damn easily, so....I just leave? great response, brother.
@@skip031890 and people are tired of you and your ignorant mindset as well
@@skip031890 ??
@@skip031890 your on coke, aren’t you?
@@OFarrillColon the ignorance
It’s genuinely depressing how we can’t have a discussion like this these days, and yet we’re still having literally this exact same discussion.
Things have changed dramatically since back then....most of you weren't even alive in 68.....people...especially the Democrats just want to keep the 60s going.....living in the past is not beneficial to America...
Pure Facts 💪🏾🔥👍🏾
Great point? So was everyone not actively listening?
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agreed Revna :)
as a young black father on my channel I have been teaching my son to build computers from age 5 .. he knows all the components on his own.. I want a better life for him so I'm being the change I want to see. Sad that stuff like what I'm doing is not pushed in the media
Ayy didn't think I would receive so much support and love..but ayy it means allot thanks for all your kind words and encouraging messages
This. At the end of the day you should rely on yourself to take care of you and yours. No one is going to do it for you and you shouldn't expect others to care.
We need to start taking responsibility for ourselves and everything else will fall in place.
Good on you for being a responsible father.
You are a fabulous role model for your son. I'm sure your son will do well in life.
@@dalem8878 thanks so much for encouragement.... yeah I realized this from when I was 18/19 how important self responsibility is..could have took many other paths in life. But I chose to be responsible and try do something productive with my life
@@deborahwhitney9427 Thanks so much, appricated God bless you
@@familyvybez3040 that's an amazing attitude. Hope favor shines on you and your family!
I'm not sure what is sadder:
1) That this same exact debate has been raging for over 50yrs without the realization that it will never change, or
2) That we can't even have this debate on a college campus today.
Sounds to me like one side figured out the solution to ending part one by implementing part two. You can't debate if only one voice is heard. Problem solved... I guess.
@White boy Summer kkk forced multiculturalism doesn't work...
People went around imagining that Trump told them to inject bleach, and then doubled down on it when the video was re-ran of him not saying that.
We live in a world full of bizarre, incomprehensibly retarded people that makes one worried about the fact that these are also people who vote and directly affect other's lives.
2)
@White boy Summer kkk the same thing happened during the French revolution.. and Americans all basically Have the same culture..
I could smell the smoke through my screen
They can infringe on your ability to breathe clean air without remorse. This is all a smokescreen for a larger agenda.
legend!!!
You must be watching in 4d hehe
OH, the good ol days.
Me too 🤣 I was holding my breath🤣
Nobody:
Students in the 60s: *puffs cigarettes* "Let's get down to facts here!"
Cigarettes are bad for blacks, AND whites!
Students: *WHAT*
They looked so much older compared to today.
I am 30 and look like I'm in my 20s. I'll probably look 25 when I'm 40 and am happy about that.
I am curious to see how the youngest generation will look when they are octogenarians. Not only do I not smoke. I eat healthy, take vitamins, exercise, and meditate 7 hours each week.
right on! fight the machine!
I HATE THESE GENERIC COMMENTS!!!!!!!!
Nobody: likes you
@@gxlorp they look older due to a combination of factors; we associate the clothing they wear with older people for one, as older people today have simply continued to wear the clothing worn in this video. Additionally there are some environmental/biological deviations which @I made an account just for this touched up on. For one, hormonal changes are in large a factor due to large amounts of plastic leeching in to the human body that mimick oestrogen. Additionally, foods were simply more nutrient rich back then, the soil in which we grow crops on these days is not as nutrient dense as it was back then since it needs to accomodate for more people and has therefore been depleted; having direct effects on our physical development.
Imagine being a non-smoker on that room
Torture basically. Constantly swallowing stinky tobacco smoke 🚬 😤 mixed with bad smoker's breath and toxic germs of the smoker spreading toxicicity and grossness all throughout.
Dunt dunt dada!!!!!
COVID MASK
To da rescuuuuuuuu
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Non-smokers wasn't a thing be4 the 80s
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@@robertdecker146 move over then, stupid
Wow this is huge to someone like me. Born in 97, there's no way I'd ever see this anywhere else really. Its so gratifying seeing opinions from people from a different perspective. With the movements today, its always important to have a civil discussion, or we get nowhere and learn nothing from each other. Thank you for your videos!
in 200 years from now, people will be seeing videos from the 21st century and they will be mind blown...
@@lognum4155 who said we make it that far? 200 yrs without idiots wanting to nuke each other seems like asking for too much
Seeing this makes me realize how far we have descended into the abyss of stupid.
We are a more sensitive and perhaps over-educated society today. But I'd rather have that, than living back in those days with all the blowhards in their (literally) smoke-filled rooms.
These are college students having a debate. You’ll see similar and more advanced conversations within colleges today. More people are educated today. Society is vastly further ahead today. We have worlds more information and no way in HELL I’d ever wanna live during the time this video was recorded. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect taking place within your head.
What’s notable to me is that these people are having long-form conversation. It feels like there is greater opportunity for understanding one another in this context. Even once the black students left the conversation there was an effort to articulate why they felt it was necessary to do so. Discourse today is about scoring points, coming up with zingers, and trying to humiliate your opponent. It has lead to a polarization I don’t think our nation is going to overcome.
@@PlebianGorilla Kids are literally being taught to be racist. Look up critical race theory its everywhere, they say to white kids in primary school that they are racist and have white privilege its actually fucking disgusting honestly surprising people are still uninformed about it. Kids go to college/University and come out completely brainwashed by Marxist doctrines and massive debt both of which did not exist in 1968. Just look up any video of Ben Shapiro speaking to these kids and they're completely lost and the teachers are too blame.
@@americanhero8606 I wouldn't say over educated more like have more accces to education and to learn
It's fascinating, seeing older generations in their prime and talking about some of the very issues we still talk about and grapple with today. We do things differently but with the same general goal.
You can’t tell me that we as a society, (as a whole), have not lost the essential skill of active listening and responding to what has been said in a civil and intellectual manner.
cellphones man
It's scary
Not not as a whole, it's only about 95% of people
Don't even need to go as far back as 1968 lol. This type of meeting has been lost and forgotten in the last 10-15 years, not the last 40. I had conversations such as these when I was in College and Uni only 11 or 12 years ago...Now all I see are people holding banners, running into halls and screaming slogans and not willing to debate or discuss anything.
A conversation like this...I would honestly LOVE to sit down, with all the community members from all backgrounds and beliefs and talk about crap that is going on in our countries and our lives in order to extend the understanding to everyone involved.
Zionists have ruined campuses
23 year old watching from africa very interesting and what shocks me is how the modern debates are still so similar in terms of the issuers over 40 years later
So why do Africans still migrate to America?
@@Indusxstan everybody migrates to america from all around the world not just from africa, and why u asking him that question what it has to do with him? imigration is a personal choice
No, modern 'debates' are a lot less civil, and don't really ever get to the meat of the issues they propose to tackle.
People turn up, canvas a few talking points, get tired of trying to convince the other person, and the civility breaks down.
Not 40 its been 60 years later
@@Indusxstan cause white people invaded their land also...and they have more rights here than they do in their own land...
I just Googled Jill Hultin, it looks like she’s still alive and an academic. She looks elderly now, yet this doesn’t look or seem that long ago. Time goes so quick, our experience as a human on Earth is so short.
Only if your very greedy and filled with ego is the time short
@@entertainedsheep7668 - You are wrong, you’re getting confused with time and having a meaningful life. Even if you’re a Hindu or Buddhist monk living in a cave your whole life time is very short. Given that the average human life is only 79 years old, in the geological or cosmic sense of time our experience here is like the blink of an eye, even shorter.
Even if your belief system is such that linear time is a human made construct and space time is elastic and cyclical, and that reincarnation is real, it doesn’t change the fact that this existence that you live in here and now on this plane of reality is extremely short. It may feel long to some, especially for a depressed nihilist or misanthrope who experiences no joy in life, but it still doesn’t change the fact that in the grand scheme of things a human lifetime is very short.
In the same way that a white man might identify as a black woman, but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s not.
@@TheSonicDeviant human lifespan is not long nor is it short. Because saying that is based on perspective. There will always be things with a longer lifespan and with a shorter one aswell and both are equal. So you saying that life is short is half true.
@@entertainedsheep7668 - How long or short a lifetime feels is relative to the individual, but in the dispassionate harsh world of cold facts a human lifetime is very short.
@@TheSonicDeviant i think you only read half. i also said it was equally short as it is long
This is an important piece of history thank you for posting
"We haven't been attacking the people who are really oppressing us, we've been here attacking each other."
Shakespear?
@@robertyoul Why would one think a rational truthful line dates back to medieval times? Makes ya think about how postmodern life does not equal quality. Not by a long shot.
@@joerivandeweyer3056 so not Shakespeare then?
i agree
Divide et impera!
If you didn’t have a cigarette when you came, you damn sho needed one when you left.
That or an oxygen tank.
It’s sad we have less freedom today. The fact that you could smoke like that in the open and now it’s considered revolutionary. It would be interesting to see what people will say in the next fifty years from now. People will be shocked when they hear us speak. Holy smoke that non-binary male who was assigned at birth is assuming people’s genders and identities.
@@dr.vanhellsing Smoking is a poor example, though. They were ignorant of the true damage cigarettes caused. Same thing with asbestos, lack of respirators, agent orange, etc. They might have known it was bad, like over eating junk food, but they didn't REALLY understand like we do now. It's a good thing smoking is gone. But yes, in general, the more freedoms the better.
Blacks always have to make the issue about them.
Dig it.
"It seems to me..." was the go to phrase.
now it's "I feel like..."
Yes because back then people spoke for themselves and not for a "community".
Yes and now its is... "let me be clear" followed by vague statements
@@purpleprose1315 "for me as a x person"...
If a person finds themself talking about a subject they weren't perpare to talk about the only thing a person can fall back on is "it seems to me", "in my opinion", "from my experience". None if these statements come from a bad place in light of the fact that a persons experience is not devoid of value.
How many students do you think in 1968 could have pulled out their phone to find out that the first black Harvard graduate was:
•Richard Theodore Greener (January 30, 1844 - May 2, 1922) was the first African American graduate of Harvard College and went on to become the dean of the Howard University School of Law.
Or that the first black University was established in:
•Howard University, historically Black university founded in 1867 in Washington, D.C., and named for General Oliver Otis Howard, head of the post-Civil War Freedmen's Bureau, who influenced Congress to appropriate funds for the school.
•Or the first post highschool for blacks was established in:
The Institute for Colored Youth, the first higher education institution for blacks, was founded in Cheyney, Pennsylvania, in 1837. It was followed by two other black institutions--Lincoln University, in Pennsylvania (1854), and Wilberforce University, in Ohio (1856).
No doubt there was oppression of non white people in many parts of the US but there was also ways out of the oppressive situation.
I watched the whole thing and I have no clue what they are arguing about but I like their passion
Sounds like this is the first time the black people in the group were invited to come and thought theyd be talking about their personal issues but instead the whites wanted to talk about whats going on in vietnam instead and the black people took offense when they’re facing their own hardships and the whites tried explaining they’re on their side while also explaining they don’t know what to do while some whites also took reoffence.. ect
notpureftw summed it up not to mention the guy at the end kinda summed up what happened in all
@@Notpureftw Because the only way a society truly grows and progresses in from the inside outward, not by blaming others which has been the overwhelming theme for the past 15 and especially the last 5 years.
I think you're not alone. There's a reason all the comments are about "how civil the discussion is" and not about the subject matter. I couldn't tell you either lol, aside from that the black students think discourse about Vietnam is a political diversion from their issues
You do? Why? I don't have any idea what they are talking about either. BTW, neither do these students. They are all as useful as a sick baby to the rest of society. Nothing in their heads but fear, confusion, youth, and worst of all no direction. Listening to yourself philosophize is not a job and its certainly not an education. But yea....passion, I guess.
Usually we see history just through the lens of the major speeches, the major events, the major figures, etc. It's fascinating to see just how normal people thought about, talked about, and debated the social issues of their time.
It really let's you understand how every point in human history was populated by people just like us.
Its fascinating to think of the context in which these people lived. WWII was only as long ago for them as 9/11 is to us.
When looking and acting like an adult was important at any age
@Vintage Farmer that depends on the individuals and culture. We definitely cant speak in absolutes.
DEEP SEA EMPEROR_ ZILLA except for at Toys "R" Us
@@K-Effect 😂😂😂😂😂😂 your response ab toys r us just killed me
You just did
Agreed that is exactly the problem today too many adult that act like kids
This is crazy clear footage for 1968
Watch some movies from the 30s some of them look better than movies do now a days
Digital transfer from film.
It's video tape. You can see it quivering below the eye of the chick in the gray jacket. at about 8:15
I was thinking the same thing!
1968 was just 53 years ago
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I feel like none of them are responding to each other, they are just talking for themselves regardless of what the previous person had said. It is not a debate or a conversation, just a series of speeches.
People celebrate it because they’re “polite” as if it isn’t just as bad as debates today.
@born2xlr8 yep So they are polite and respectful? So what? It was part of the culture back then (respect teachers, don't talk over people, respect elders, don't interrupt, etc.). This was enforced at home (with a father in the household) and at school.
Ultimately, the "discussion" has no continuity, no central agreed upon purpose, and ultimately no result. It accomplishes nothing. Just each person giving a quick point about a loosely connected theme. Definitely better than a lot of the discussions today which go straight to interrupting, name calling, straw man arguments, and self-victimization.
Yeah people are thinking that this is so much different from today lol, it's only in the way they carry themselves, but up in those brains, the exact same thing is going on, just a whole lot of cognitive dissonance because they don't feel heard. :)
I agree it isn't perfect, but people were clearly listening intently, even if not coming to a conclusion or compromise. Check out 6:02, everyone laughs immediately at a joke, showing complete focused listening and understanding of all that's being said, even if they don't agree.
@@herbs4135 I don't think the problem lies in listening, but rather in understanding the perspectives of the people talking and there goes a lot of effort into doing that, most people have a lot of cognitive biases which bend the message of what people are actually saying, it's not that they're not listening they simply don't understand because they are grounded in their own views and experience.
Very emotional to watch. The frustration in that mans face is heartbreaking. Thank you so much David for the amazing footage you put out!
Graduating from Berkley in 64 and buying a home near by. I've lived a life of regret and seen the failings of a public school system. I remember thinking we were so cutting edge, we had thoughts and ideas nobody has ever had. Now, 60 years later, nothing has changed and college kids think the same thing. Are we in a circle? We never accomplished anything. I did live at a comune though. Free love was never free just ask my doctor.
Why have you lived a life of regret?
Give YAH your life, He loves you
Jesus is the way friend. Everything eles is a serpent eating his own tail. This is the age old problem from n age old enemy.
@@Angela-fv5pb because hes a hippie boomer that thought marxism would work. He lived a life of degeneracy and now realizes he has no purpose.
@@JCpwnge ...
Would've loved to hear the full forum. I've been watching your videos for some time now and I always gain insight from every discussion. History never gets old and is driven by preservation. That being said, you are a true guardian to the ideas of our past. Thanks for sharing all the footage!
Thanks for posting this David. You are contributing to the task of keeping history alive.
College students today talk like 12 year olds compared to college students 50 years ago.
So...um...like...you know...uh...things 'n' stuff...
Hell, college students of my generation (1980s) were a lot more mature than the spoiled brats of today. However, we were a lot more apathetic and fashion conscious than today's brats; nothing even close to a BLM movement was even conceivable in 1989, just a lot of leather Africa medallions and rhetoric.
Yes because all university students of that time reflected the same behavior as this one university in Illinois 😂
Which college students are you referring to, Knower of Things?
@@joeburly Well like, seriously like, literally almost all of them like, some of them are fire i admit that, some of them have swag, but like, most are like ew like, literally like dumb.
Aside from a few interruptions and some real frustrated passion, this was actually a really civil discussion. This would quickly turn into a bar room brawl today in 2021.
Black dude liked interrupting.
This tells me that everyone should go back to smoking publically
"actually"
@@matthewp9156 And kicked over his table too.
The only reason it didn't then is because the cops would come crashing down on them and they'd get jail time for it. Nowadays you'd get a slap on the wrist.
the last dude's point was the most truthful and important point made throughout this whole video. we focus on the people who are the most sympathetic and willing to change , and the most progressive, while ignoring the real evil bastards that should have our full undivided attention.
We are constantly biting the hand that feeds us, or is trying to feed us, while ignoring the people who would rather see us starve.
Divide and conquer.
That just makes me think of the wretched "Great Reset" feudalist/ totalitarians, and so called, "environmentalists" that Biden is catering too. NOTHING is good in these matters. Just a new kind of slavery, and nothing about liberty..
I like this style of actual discourse better than the Screeching Twitter Mob of today.
It was such a great debate...the Black students had to walk out. There is no screeching on Twitter, maybe you're just upset POC have a voice there?? Maybe you like this style of discourse, because it was easier for White people to ignore Black people?? Hmmm...
@@kgs6032 Twitter is a dumpster fire of ignorance regardless of colour, as evidenced by your comment. But hey, nice try making it about self-victimization whilst attacking white people, of course, as usual...in just a few short lines you managed to lie, victimize, attack and be a hypocrite all at once. That kind of mentality is exactly why the modern day social-political climate in America is in the toilet and we're all the lesser for it.
@@kgs6032 They walked out of their own accord. Again, twitter is an echo chamber for uneducated leftists to reverberate ignorance to each other.
@jbl I think the comments that keep comparing a college debate team to twitter arguments and viral outrage videos aren't very bright themselves.
Yup, its crazy how you see a lot of Conservatives cancelling any debate that goes against what they find on facebook
all that i see that's changed is these conversations aren't even being had anymore.
TRUE, contact me if you will start one or know of any I could join
Wow! Imagine that today.
There are. Bit they are less civilized and more anonymus (forums and video commentaries)
They reach a tiny minority. It would never get near msm in today's climate.
@@brendielahooha on the dot. not in the right platforms too. i would like to see these conversations being had and change to be implemented that makes both parties happy feel heard. and to move forward finally. the issue keeps getting ignored and it just gets worse. we treat many things that way. they just don't want us to find peace
Little did they know millions would watch their debate on the internet 50 years later
Life is strange that way for sure...
They are probably all dead now from smoking cigs and second hand smoke lol
I love how everyone’s just casually smoking.
I hate it. Lol.
@@nillyk5671 I'm holding my breath for them when the smoke gets in their faces 😂
Back when you were allowed to be masculine and free.
@@josh18230 wtf is masculine about losing testosterone to chemicals. Ur feminizing urself with those smoke sticks. Be a man, be sober. Beer and whiskey have phytoestrogens too js
@@DOOMZEDAY lol he's a sucker for marketing I guess
Fascinating. These young people are so intelligent and well spoken.
And all young kids in university today can do is scream and yell down people in a sort of Brown-shirt “protest” to bully people into their view.
"well spoken" THAT IS RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@kebertxela941 Biden be like
I mean they make good points do they not?
@@eswing2153 I do get your point but maybe you shouldn't make such claimes about all students. Some will feel or be missrepresented.
50 years later... and it feels like we went backwards, not forwards.
We have
Still the same haven't changed at all
@@raymond2009v I'd say we're actually worse now than before. At least before people had the common decency to hear eachother out (for the most part).
Lol are you kidding me? Yes there are still racial problems in the US, but it is a LOT better than the 60s. In the 60s you literally had people supporting segregation in government.
@@SparrowValentine In what way is racial equality worse today than then? It’s significantly FAR BETTER. Please explain what is worse for blacks today as oppose to in the 20th century?
"When the university plays the role of picking and choosing what side it supports in society then we get into danger" very wise and foreseeing words.
affirmative action
What is a University if not it's students? In the end, this quote falls flat, because what you're advocating for is inaction. The same inaction that has and will continue to destroy lives.
@@justinmoore5096 A valid counter.
@@justinmoore5096 The issue is, people are still very young and stupid when they enter university, so if it does take a side, it can very well be the wrong side without most students knowing so, and in this particular institution taking up this role, they become particularly effective propagandists as they masque as an intellectual authority. The university needs to lay the foundation for critical thinking, if it merges that into emotional irrational politics, like we see today, we will continue to have the institution churn out brainwashed morons who are neither intelligent with capable critical thinking skills nor on the right side of history, just useful political pawns of politicians who use morality and ideas of oppression as their rhetoric
People of my generation can not understand a correct idea if it's against what they are emotionally invested in if there lives depended on it. Our education system and media has ruined countless people, turning them into the evil which they wanted to work against(And often, something much worse)
@@The_Word_Is_The_Way I disagree
If any of these former students see this, it would be interesting for someone to organize and document a follow up conversation. How have these people's views/attitudes changed (or not changed)over the years? Have they become more understanding of each other's concerns or have they become more polarized? If they feel no ground has been made in the past 50+ years, what do they think the solution is? I understand that, sadly, many of them may not be with us anymore, but it would be so interesting to hear that conversation.
"Dig it man..." We really need to bring that back
right on, right on...dig it man
Lol !
We really don’t
No its cringe
@@jdlc903 not my cringe then the slang people use today
I think we all need to be smoking cigarettes while debating. It calms people down
I'm allergic to smoke. Watching this made me want to scratch like covered with ants.
Daphne ish a gud lookin puppyyyy!
@@nathanarievlis3985 Thank you 💕
@@soniasonia2518 I am totally allergic to cigarette smoke, but smoke anyways. I think if I didn't smoke I would probably be a wreck 😂
@@GermanShepherdDaphne I came to the comment section just for this ! Now I can return feeling accomplished!
This is incredible - They're actually sitting down and listening to each other
except for that one point where they did literally the exact opposite of that.
True. Occasional bursts are inevitable when including the grand spectrum of various individuals. For the most part however, opposing opinions we're voiced and given heed, planting the seeds of resolution.
Yeah its sad that kids today get their info from famous people on tiktok and basically base their political idiologies on trends
@@rexyz5875 ....not all of us. and far more youth get info from independent sources, while older folks condemn us all by getting their "info" from msm propaganda networks.
- thanks for destroying our future btw.
And smoking in public!
they all listen to each other, they have a discussion in real time, nobody is staring in a phone... amazing!
Yes, wish we could go back to the days of indoor smoking... amazing!
Mmmmm, the good old times where you had to live in constant fear..
Oh wait
They did?
Pretty sure the first few minutes wasn't one listening to the other....
"the way the war presses on us.. It presses on you too, DIG IT" The way he said dig it was pure 60's swagger lmao
Sounded like Greg Brady!
The war didn't press on any of them because none of them actually fought it.
@@pfzht if they had family members that did it definitely did
@@ohh1065 Not anywhere near as impactful as it was on the soldiers themselves and pulling our troops out for political rather than strategic reasons will always be a foolish if not treasonous move.
@@pfzht what strategic benefit does fighting a losing war against farmers, in a country on the opposite side of the world, have for the USA? it put its hand in the cookie jar and tried to cut off its own fingers once it got caught red-handed
The only thing that have changed is smoking outdoors instead of indoors
And that's the sad part that not much has changed.
.....that "has" changed...
Thank god. I hat tat nasty crap.
@@Americansikkunt Why do you think that?
@@Americansikkunt I disagree that "they're still complaining", like they shouldn't speak on the wrongs committed against them. Your comment gives off the idea that you think they should be silent no matter what happens. I hope that's not why you said that.
one of the best things thats happened since 2020 was finding David Hoffman's channel, i love raw history
It's so eye-opening hearing such loud and incredible voices speaking so bravely so far back about the things that are back into a loud conscious moment of culture in America. Dues were being paid and folks have been struggling to talk about this true struggle for such a long time.
i want to participate in a discussion like this, an open group setting
I am more then willing.
Bring your bum...
Me too
Head over to FB or Twitter🤷🏾♂️
People are willing to have these debates but they won’t because this PC culture will have you fired or slandered on the internet
Back then college students did not go into college directly after high school. there were no scholarships back in those days or financing. Thus it was common college age was starting 24 and up.
False
@@VGMDK1999 proof?
I like those days, people earned for themselves instead of relying on being taken care of so it breeded independent minds that was based on common sense first rather than pure rationality. Good times good times.
I like those days, people earned for themselves instead of relying on being taken care of so it breeded independent minds that was based on common sense first rather than pure rationality. Good times good times.
@@kerosj9975 UofI tution 1968 = 1400~ min wage = 1.60 = 875 hours of work = 1 year of school .... UofI tuition 2020 30,302min wage = 9.25 = 3275 hours = 1 year of school
Awesome. These kind of talks need to be done.
Yep. Democracy manifest
Every time the professor speaks the confused looks on people's faces is just HILARIOUS.
Decades later and this topic is still very much relevant
Is been since the days of creation
Sadly it probably will be in decades to come 😢
decades later, i was pretty much done shortly after they were.
It's become worse.
@@createdcreated1977 ,all the way until the end of time🤦🏾♀️
00:49 Mr. Rossman, 68, died from the effects of leukemia in 2008. He was 28 when this fabulous documentary was filmed.
he was also a great light weight class boxer
:( he was the mvp in this one
@MrSteezyR he seems like a nice guy I agree with his talking points and the black students talking points both sides are correct but both are wrong at the same Time
There's more smoking going on than a whole season of Mad Men.
Somebody should have hung up a ham. 😆
@RJ Sea The 60's had pot too...Relax. I smoke pot. It's not a big deal. We legalized Marijuana here.
I really enjoy this well-exemplified piece of content bro.😄 It really shows us where we're coming from leading up to the 21st century.
Back when everyone smoked, whether they liked it or not.
Oh, once you start, you have no choice but to like it. Addiction is a totally balanced game with no exploits
Pros:
-makes listening to the other side tolerable
-everyone is too out of breath to fight or start an annoying chant
Cons:
-everyone looks 15 years older
@@SFVYachtClub So in order to reach peak acceptance of views and legitimate debate and communication. Little Timmy at 5 years old should accordingly look 60 and by 19 look 200.
@@meteorstorm415 Yes. You want me to get him some menthols or reds?
I really miss those times, when anyone could smoke everywhere. Not healthy, but good af.
The whole point is they were worried about napalm over in Vietnam and they couldn't even get their act together in the states! Couldn't even treat American citizens properly but needed to have this debate regarding the Vietnam War. It was hypocritical!
FACTS. 💯
Its because of the mental block of white superiority and an unwillingness to confront the true horrors of the history here. They could not see the hypocrisy because to see it would be to align their own image in the mirror with the horror of the ideologically manifested image of the U.S. as the unregulated evil of Vietnam. They accepted the country as a whole perpetrating a fraud against the Vietnamese but could not accept the mass of the white population was complicit in the continued abuse of blacks on various levels. How much responsibility one accepts is up to them and in wanting to believe you at heart are good blinds you a bit to the depth of the struggle. Like is not about whether you as an individual are a "good" person. What does that even mean.
Monique, I couldn't disagree with you more. But it would take an entire page to explain why, because it's really just not that simple
Did you miss the part where "A black" leader told the "whites" to back off and take care of their own people. Well the "whites" did this and now the "black" who have not developed anything in years now want to go to the "whites" and tear them down. INCONCEIVABLE!!!
@Mark Spencer Amerila yeah, what we did in Vietnam is not trivial. It's horrific. Our imperialism is what keeps first worlders so well fed, and with a decent quality of life. And that's precisely why the white middle class back then wasn't looking for change. If you're led to believe that capitalism created that great economy, rather than imperialism, then you'll keep turning a blind eye to the imperialism. And that's the entire game in a nutshell. It's a trick from the western establishment. The racism is built into capitalism. So if you're looking to address racism without addressing imperialism, you'll get nowhere. And that's exactly what's happening today, as black and white Americans ignore what's happening in Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc. Instead focusing on BLM, which accomplished what exactly? Nobody can give a real answer to that question. But the establishment plasters it all over the media, because it distracts from imperialism, which is their key to holding onto power.
Get it? I didn't think so (sigh)
For those who don't know, the universities had invested in Dow chemichals. Dow chimachals made napalm. Napaulm was used to burn down the jungles of Vietnam. It also fell on oit's children. There haed been a famouse picture of a naked Vietnamese girls screaming, burning alive. That is why Dow Chemichals is mentioned so much.
@Angoche Island ...and tend to look incredibly stupid & weak when they do.
Temple of Ridicule because they still suffer till this day. History is supposed to be remembered not forgotten
@Temple of Ridicule couldnt have said it better myself well done sir!
She wasn’t burning alive. Stop embellishing. She had been burned
Great communications skills all around, but I think it's difficult to go deep into any topic when you have so many people giving their opinions with great passion. Fascinating regardless.
no, this is literlaly a failure of communication
they didn't go deep into any topic, just got more confused befor ehtye started
These students seem so mature. We are definitely devolving lol.
We gotta stop vaping and start smoking again. 🚬
We’re tired of talking about the same things. The
@@lasmejoradas 😂😂😂
Its helicopter parents and new technology making fat man babies
I don’t know how many college debates you’ve been to, but the conversation here is all circular as any other debate. all the “young people” and “youth” this and no one gets to a conclusion. just because they’re quiet about it doesn’t mean they understand, if that was the case, we wouldn’t be here now.
When smoking in the middle of the debate was normal and boring nobody.
will smoking was adversed as cool and normalized in media back then until they discover it cause cancer
@@sakurakou2009 ,I'm a none smoker. All that smoking would have gave me a migraine headache.
@Tomicaa so does eating js
@@eyemmeohigho eating junk, yes. Eating in general, nom
@@eyemmeohigho the point being...?
Malcolm X's "the black coffee" speech fits perfectly in this discussion.
Adding a little white liberals into a strong black movement is like adding creamer to a strong black coffee that wakes you up to dull it's effect.
Same as integration 🤷🏽♂️
perfectly put
I think the SDS ( whom are leftists not liberals, that did a good job)
@Niall Black then he made a pilgrimage to Mecca and he changed his views.
@Krispyer King His autobiography says the opposite about him being a socialist...
“What’s really oppressing us [is that] we’ve been here attacking each other.” 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
They don’t want to talk about the bigger picture but yet life in America is still the same lol
Black people are as disenfranchised as they were back then?
This comment is completely ludicrous.
@@HaaaTayo what’s ludicrous is you saying that but yet you have playlists of hip hop and reggae on your page lol. Two genres and the music you have in it that talks about these very things in its own way so idk how you can’t understand the relevance of then to now. That’s the problem with y’all. You like our music and admire our culture, but not the people who created it. Goodbye lol
@@ayokiff1073 I love reggae and hip hop, and I know what they speak about. Yet i can never fully know because I have not lived it like they have. But to say America is the same now racially, as it was in 1968? I don't know what to respond to that, other than saying that it is ludicrous.
@@HaaaTayo YOU interpreted that’s what my statement meant. I never even said specifically the bigger picture. But you’re right you don’t know what life in America is like and so again it’s ludicrous of you to make such a comment with lack of depth in the topic but yet you love our music.
That Professor sounds like a 1930s movie gangster.
Up until recently Americans talked with more effort in an American style accent. It's the only way I can explain it. I've had older coworkers who sound very different.
It's weird how he seems to be trying to hold his head in place.
Lmao I was thinking the same thing 🤣 it actually really threw me off at first, like all of a sudden I was watching a completely different thing
“Dig it , man !!” I love the way they spoke .. makes me smile :)
Me too, I wish itd come back lol.
@dylan murphy big facts
@dylan murphy why
@dylan murphy giving everybody cancer just for your own pleasure, k. İ smoke too but i don't see any reason why it should be allowed inside.
"Do you want to hear me?" That should be the cornerstone question for any decade/generation!
“The fact that this discussion hasn’t gotten anywhere is just a testament to how deep the problem is.”
There's a simple solution.
Stop treating people different based on skin color, n start treating em based on actions.
Next problem
@@crussteasock4047 very true. There is so much more that makes us similar than differentiates us. Human history has taught us that humans will find any reason to differentiate one another, easiest features being personal appearance. We cannot make up for the pasted by taxing the present, it just will lead to exacerbate an issue. We must work towards true equality, its not easy or a quick process but it is one that actual breeds results,
Or maybe the solutions implemented have not been effective
@@crussteasock4047 exactly, it's infuriating when people think CRT is gonna fix it all.
@@crussteasock4047 That's a fundamental truth that I live by, only hitch in it is that there is always a person, a community, a culture, a race, a nation that feels it got the short end of the stick and they're not necessarily wrong, somebody has/had to, but that resentment builds very quickly and easily, and is passed on like a meme, in the actual sense of the word of course.
Tragically the only way to escape this inevitability would be for everyone to somehow all be a little less Human, it's just that hard wired - just look at the 'modern' solutions that have reared their ugly head, violence, disorder and a black and white mentality that sets everyone back to the beginning, back to the, "Us versus Them"
Hopefully we get there as a species at some point but the last couple decades of regressive arguments and sentiments leave me feeling pessimistic.
Every person in that room was in love with the sound of their own voice.
What I was thinkin
All staged.
The ego is a powerful thing
What is debate?
@@johnsala1619 Do you understand why the black student happened to be very upset back the ? Racism was way worse then
16:12
"That's one way of handling that problem, I don't know if I agree with it, but I wouldn't put it down because I don't know a better one."
Wow, I really like that response. Astounding that a response like that would be scorned when talking about problems today.
Look about 40 years later and still in the same place in America, how pathetic this country just cannot get it together
It's like watching a movie and already knowing the ending.
Pretty much.
Sometimes its about exploring the journey and not so much about wondering what the ending is about
Her picture was one of the most iconic images of the Vietnam War: a girl running naked down a road, screaming in pain after a napalm attack.
Her name is Phan Thi Kim Phúc, but to many people, she's known as the Napalm Girl. She was only 9 years old when that photograph was taken by The Associated Press photographer Nick Ut, for which he won a Pulitzer Prize. That photo exposed the horrors of the Vietnam War to the world. It also left Kim Phúc bitter and full of hatred. Later, she picked up the Bible and converted to Christianity.
Today, she lives in Toronto with her family and helps other children victims of war around the world. In between her trips, she shared her story with The World.
The World: First, describe that day - June 8, 1972. What were you doing before that picture was taken and what happened next?
Kim Phúc: We were allowed to play inside of the temple nearby the bomb shelter. I remember after lunch, we heard the noise of some burning outside ... suddenly, the soldiers asked the children to run out of the temple.
I saw the planes were very fast, very loud. As a child, I didn't know anything. And I turned my head. I saw four bombs landing ... then suddenly, the fire was everywhere around me. I didn't see anybody else. And then the fire burned off my clothes, and I saw the fire on my left arm. I used my right hand to wrap it up. That's why my right hand got burned, as well.
You just put the fire out with your hand?
Yes. That moment, I was terrified, you know. Then, I ran out of that fire, and I saw my brothers and my cousins and some soldiers with us, probably South Vietnamese soldiers who protected us in the temple. Then, we kept running and running and running, until I was too tired to run anymore. And I saw a lot of people. They stood on the street, and I cried out, "Too hot, too hot." And I remember one of the soldiers; he gave me some water to drink. He poured water over my skin. At that moment, I passed out. I didn't remember anything. I lost consciousness that day.
Phan Thi Kim Phúc and her husband were sent to "college" in Cuba. This was probably a ploy to shame the U.S. They were on a flight to Russia that had a refueling stop in Canada, and escaped to claim Political Asylum in Toronto. Kim Phúc dedicated her life to helping the young victims of war.
That was the picture that activated my 9 yr old life. I picked up a Life magazine, there it was. Nobody in my family could talk to me after that. I was against war and joined Black Panther Party when I turned 18. We've been fighting war ever since. I also was sent to Cuba thru Canada on the Venceremos Brigade. Nothing wrong with Cuba except the embargo. While in Cuba, we cut cane with young people from all over the world. It was hell on 18 year old americans. One day the Vietnamese Young People's Brigade came to cut cane in solidarity with all of us international young people and I'll never forget how their bus stopped at the end of a long gravel driveway leading into the camp, and the Vietnamese got off and bunched around their bus and looked at us. We were all at the other end of the driveway and were so ashamed. What could we do, or offer a people so brutalized by predatory capitalists and white supremacists that words were inadequate. There were people from Canada, Italy, France, Germany, Africa, America, when all of a sudden one American boy who looked like the student with long hair and blue shirt just burst out running down the driveway with his arms outstretched, and then one Vietnamese person started running toward him, and all Americans started running and fell into each other's arms sobbing. There were no words. There still are no words. That's why white Americans must LISTEN to what the black man is saying, not interrupt or veer off into nonsense, and do what progressives do best - ONE LOVE all peoples. Power to the people. Today is the people have the power. We rise together or not at all.
It's a shame it did not galvanize the world into effective action against the evil of communist regimes that kill, torture and imprison dissenters and had already done what happened to this girl to thousands and thousands of people whose only crime was having a dissenting opinion. Instead it was used more to demoralize those fighting those regimes.
@@stephentroup7943 who you talking about? The USA did all that torture, kill, in the name of fighting "communism" in national independence movements. Raise your head in defense of your own resources and culture, you will be labeled and destroyed by imperialist powers, white power. Don't call liberation movements communist. That's not the point. The point is self-determination. I am very educated thru my own efforts and experience and do not fall easily for the okey-dokey put out by white supremacists whatabouts. For that I'm grateful to patient teachers in the third world countries I have lived in, where communism is not an issue, but the United States is.
@@stephentroup7943 Basically what anna Gordon said. I would give this video a watch(ruclips.net/video/tixOyiR8B-8/видео.html).
Moral of the story; cigarettes keep the humans civilized.
@Kay Pee Jesus smoked Camels
@TheLightSide Moses was on that burning bush bud
Nicotine increases focus and concentration.
Hahahaha this comment gave me so life.
Lolll, love this comment. I quit awhile ago and now I reaaalllyy want one 😑
And here we all are, 54 years later, with still the same issues, and still the same discussions and much more violence evident.
Man had me at the 11th minute when he said institutional education is useless
Only if you don't know what you are doing! Do you think becoming a doctor is possible without institutional education? Or Engineering? Or Law? It is good to rely on someone who has more knowledge than you! Especially when you do not know what knowledge is good and knowledge is bad!
@@zenjm6496 My apologies I spoke very broadly.
I wasn’t referring to professional degrees , more so some of the liberal arts and how they are marketed as degrees with high employability when they are degrees for the sake of knowledge sake. Which is also not a bad thing, but a lot of individuals are funnelled into the education for cash,requiring loans.
A lot of 18 year olds I feel may not have the financial literacy to understand the agreement they are signing up for.
When I said education is useless in agreement with the individual at the 11th minute, I felt the social issues then and now are best overcome by human empathy and being willing to fully hear out all sides not matter how much we may personally disagree.
@@kwadwoamponsah I'm sorry but if someone don't know what they want to do with their life by 18, god help them. See one has to be a part of a community or family that should should sort of guide him/her.
In my culture it is the duty of the parents to educate their children and make them presentable before the society. Of course there are a lot of rebels.
I agree with the last part :)
@zenjm I'm sorry but if you think that once you turn 18 you need to choose one thing to do for the rest of your life, you must be pretty boring. People change and grow all the time, lol, it's the human experience. Also, how would anyone pick their own "perfect" route unless they spent enough time down every single path to find the one they prefer.
@@phkg3255 of course. I was an engineer, now I'm into marketing. People evolve. That is totally fine. You don't fix on a path and follow just that. You have to be open to opportunities! What I meant was if you are not disciplined and clear minded by 18 you are screwed! This may not be the popular opinion though!
Same America, same framework, Just different players.
Same players; they are just older now and are politicians in a two party system... it's all fixed and embedded in our democracy.
Nothing changes but the names. The powers that be want it that way.
@@slimtee2 👏🏾
yup, fat cats and politicians been running everything since day 1, and all the little people complaining and arguing and just getting by lol. Build power for yourself, no one will give it to you
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Why can we have conversations like these in this era and is not taken personal but more educational.
This was a fascinating discovery for me, being a native of Champaign IL where the discussion took place.
Love how frank and open these dialogues are. People spoke their minds without getting all offended
The black students walked out Clearly they were offended... They just tolerated the comments from the white side and really tried to explain their side as black people but clearly went over their heads
@@oompaloompa3188 I'm confused.. Why you coming at me.. I said blacks here were patient and eventually they walked out... What's your problem
Why shouldn't people be offended if their lives are being threatened daily and people just want to act neutral about it? Stoicism or centrism are weak responses to an urgent situation and the continued harassment and erasure of people based on the colour of their skin should be met with offence and urgency.
@@yaggayaggaya9918 And there's the issue. Making it about them.
@chico racist issues on campus are student issues and everybody should be involved in working to make campus life better for everyone. The meeting was about the Vietnam war, the black students were invited to voice their thoughts and feelings about it because the white students felt the Vietnam War was an issue ALL Americans should be concerned about. Their point is that why can the war be an issue for ALL Americans but anti black racism is just an issue for black people....
They don’t want to talk about something real happening here in America
Right, even we're in a war, we can't sway from "the narrative". Gotcha 👍
It's mainly someone who hasn't seen struggle, they can't understand what that is.
Who is they ?
@big tornadoes Let's face it.. they didn't want to "debate", they wanted full and total domination of the discourse. Even when people did speak on racial issues, they were still upset and talked down to other people. Awesome progress, little has changed sadly.
@New Bil so you mean equal opportunity based on merit and not skin color? i totally agree
Fascinating! I wish there was a follow-up so that I could learn what became of these students, the professors, etc, and what their views are now.
Easy...they run the west into the ground and all got high earning jobs in the industry and government positions.
@@elektronischemusik1903 what a logical fallacy.
PBS did a follow-up on the members of the Berkeley Free Speech Movements, a pretty tame bunch for the times. Their reaction was more or less "What was I thinking then?" But this is not any major criticism.
the same...
@@Williamlongsword-l2c So every hypothesis is a logical fallacy?
The statement and warning at 14:15 is quite prescient for the times we live in now.
"Sir I think what you said was so vapidly absurd."
@@speedymark8517 "patently absurd"
@@speedymark8517 "you can tell from this where the whole bloody society is going to go"
@@jacobpeters5458 was that white guy trying to say that the idea of a neutral campus was absurd? I think he lost me there.
This is so intriguing. I initially thought this would be from the 80s, and then I read the description and it's from the 60s.
I googled the names and found that a lot of the people who spoke here has already passed away, or the student who spoke and had amazing careers and retired. It really offers a deep perspective about how history is repeating itself.
Think of it, the people in the video are probably of the grandparent generation of the majority of the viewer of this video.
Thank you David Hoffman. If the man around 11:00 is correct in stating that the university has failed, your videos has certainly taught us something.
The late sixties were very different from the early sixties. The late sixties was the psychedelic era.
@@judywalter9412 The late sixties depended on where you were. The media like the hippies and drugs. On the political scene, things were getting very serious.
@@SandfordSmythe that wasn’t my point lmao
Your skill and care in preserving your media shines through, David.
Being a black man in America, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had this very conversation with people. People can be so intent on overlooking what’s happening in America that they go and look at what’s being done in another country. We’ve been dealing with the SAME racial issues in America since it began but somehow it seems more comfortable to just find another problem to focus on rather than fix our pre-existing issues.
@@asbestosfibers1325 yes it is wrong, but it’s also racism. Racism is prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism against someone because of their race based on the belief that ones own race is superior. Are you going to tell me that Dylann Roof was not racist but evil? He was evil, but one of the evils was racism. You’re argument is like saying rape doesn’t exist, it’s either right or wrong. Yes, forced sex with another person is wrong and evil...but it’s also rape.
Moving forward. White people have lost any moral authority that they thought they had. Now even white folks don't believe in white folks.
We’ll hold on there real quick, it seems to me that blacks actually have it great in this country, in fact better than any other country, the movement has reversed to the point that blacks actually have an advantage against other races just so they can “keep up”, prove me wrong.
@@techpost4083 Whitefolks are not a monolith. Had a Civil War over slavery.
The black community learning how to father children would be a great start to fix these issues.