Is Verstappen Racing Leclerc Differently in 2022 to Hamilton in 2021?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
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I can safely say Hamilton was aggressive in Baku 2021 (despite you saying Hamilton have become less aggressive);
How is Max over the line, yet most pro drivers agree that Silverstone was a professional foul? And how was HAM not removed from the championship over Silverstone, like MSC in '97??? Always this flagrant brit-bias.
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I definitely think he is racing Charles different. Almost like the roles are reversed. Max has two things that Charles doesn’t, which is experience winning a tile and not having Ferrari strategists.
The last point had me laughing. Goddamn Ferrari strategists are always ready to throw away the win
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that last part took me out lmao
Absolute beast of a comment!
Ferrari has always lacked in the strategy department but despite that they still won championships. So its nothing new for them.
I havent seen this being mentioned a lot. But the cars definitely play a role. Last year, we saw in bahrain max only had one chance to overtake for the lead. This year in bahrain and saudi the car behind could stay close for several laps so they dont have to do a divebomb at the very first opportunity. So last year, eg spain max went for a big lunge into T1 knowing that if he stayed behind even if he was slightly faster he wouldnt have ever got past because of dirty air. But this year he can afford to take a bit more time and less risk during overtakes. Hopefully that all makes sense
yeah, coupled with the tire wear by being behind the car in front was insane last year, especially in barcelona where the tires, and track position to avoid dirty air are the main factor in winning a race there
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This is the correct answer. Last gen cars raced like shit.
@@YEEYEE-dy8tk to be fair it was more “exciting” the whole season because the context behind what was on the line if max could dethrone Lewis from winning a record 8th title, the last big record he had to get. This year 90% of the moves are on the straight because the cars are too overweight and sluggish, but the racing is definitely closer
its also probably due to max having the better overtaking car this time
We've got to remember that the cars are fundamentally different this year.. last year the chasing driver might have 1 or 2 opportunities before they succumbed to heat and dirty air, so they were always desperate to make the move stick when they got close the first time.
This year the chasing car can sit right behind the leading car and wait patiently for a good opportunity, which is leading to calmer, smarter, and more tactical racing overtakes.
Agreed
This is definitely a important factor.
Ye we saw last year how hard a Hamilton struggled to overtake max sometimes even tho he was easily 3 tenth faster
Max's driving style this year reminds me of a comment by Dr. Marko, that Red Bull are just being patient and waiting on Ferrari to choke then they will run away with the championship. Ferrari may be back to fighting for wins, but the problems that kept them from taking the 2017 and 2018 titles still exist. Bad strategizing, failure to keep up in development, even toxicity at times. If RB do not keep screwing up their reliability I expect this championship to be over long before the final race
I really hope your wrong because id love another close fight but sadly I see the title going the same way as you do at the moment
The development issue is evidently gone considering their recent upgrade package put them back ahead, the toxicity too, it's new management now with Elkann. The only issue is, the strategist.
That's how they tried to beat merc before and tbh i dont see this working against red bull. if they dont fix the strategy this year i almost see no way of winning. even on the tracks that the rb was slow last year they go close or even past merc just off of being better at guessing the right strategy. cause Newey seems to be throwing everything at that car again and seeing what sticks, ferrari better be cooking up something good to be rb this year
@@elianioriofarrell Look again, RB also brought upgrades to Baku and are still stronger on race pace. Also, Elkann has been applying pressure on Binotto. Before the year Elkann blocked Binotto from rehiring Jean Todt to come back to Ferrari and use his experience to bring the Scuderias to glory. Elkann also hinted that Binotto could be fired should Ferrari fail to win the title this year. All this pressure and unwillingness to work with Binotto shows toxicity in the leadership of Ferrari. Then you have to consider Binotto's recent comments that Ferrari's objective is to "be competitive, not win the championship". Such a joke of leadership, Ferrari aren't winning a title with that mentality.
@@nathanreynolds6459 except Ferrari were slightly faster in race pace in Baku? Which is impressive considering this is a Red Bull track on paper. Red Bulls minimum upgrades wouldn't be enough to build the race pace deficit seen on a track like Spain.
I would say with Max this year is that the pressure is off him due to the fact that he’s won the championship and I probably think he has to be cautious with his driving due to the fact that he has penalty points that only expire later on in the year. But anyways your videos always top notch my friend
I think he knows he will crash with a Leclerc a lot if he drives aggressive bec Charles is the last one to back off especially now where he has the car and is the nummer 1 driver
Tbf I think you’ve hit the nail on the head there. Monaco was a good example. If it last year or before I think he would’ve tried a move on Sainz whereas he held position and took the points instead of gambling
I would say there is MORE pressure on him this year after what happened in Abu Dhabi and I’m sure deep down he knows he didn’t deserve it
@@shaggydoggs he deserved the championship Abu Dhabi was a farce but overall I think max deserved it more
@@shaggydoggs lol only you thinks that
For me I think verstappen respects leclerc much more than he did with Hamilton. I think Hamilton being a 7 time champion and much older than max, that allowed max to fuel his ego and maybe wanted to prove a point whereas with leclerc he’s raced him since they were teenagers so he knows he doesn’t really have to prove that point as such because before last year max and Lewis only went wheel to wheel on like 3 occasions whereas Charles and max had been wheel to wheel since idk how long from when they were teens. Also max had not won a championship before last year and it was the first time he had a car to do and Lewis was much more cautious which allowed max to be more aggressive.
Completely agree 👍
I think it's just that he knows Leclerc is less of a threat than Lewis is which means he doesn't have to race as hard.
Also Max has a championship now. He hasn't got as much to prove he can mellow out now and learn from before.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Also helps that the cars are much more racable that before.
100% agree
I think that we have to look to 2016 and 2018. Rosberg always says that Lewis played mental games with his championship opponent. That it made Rosberg quit the sport and seb Vettel crash into Hamilton under the safety car. I think Verstappen drove as agressive as he did to win the mental battle against Lewis. To drive down Hamilton confidents. And I think this year it is more about hard and fair racing between max an Charles.
Lulu could only play mental games because the other drivers allowed it. Max is resistant to those games as he only cared about racing. He didn't care about what happened off-track. And on the track he has no regard for the past. A driver is just a competitor for him to fight and eventually beat. Max played his own game and that ultimately broke lulu, to the point that it carried over into this season.
@@EntropicExergy actually hamiltons mental games happened mostly on track. Also max totally lost it at the end of last year due to these games + the unbelievable comeback from lewis. In my opinion last four races of 2022 he was totally out of line. This year's max seemed to have learnt from that, he is more composed (till now) and has an attitude actually similar to last year's lewis, which i think is a good thing. But at the same time ferrari has made too many mistakes in order to push him to the limits. We shall see.
@@MT-hj1nj I wouldn't call pushing the competition off the track games, that's just vile behaviour. Max didn't lose anything, he was being f'ed over by lulu, who actually deserved all those penalties he stuck to Max. Common lulu strat, he tried to do it again this year with Magnussen in Spain and Ocon in Monaco. Go wide to knock the competition off track but before doing so whine about supposed dangerous driving. The FIA buys into it and then gives a penalty to the other driver, who didn't do anything wrong. Luckily karma struck and merc is now nicely in the midfield, so they can't poison the championship this year.
@@EntropicExergy i am sorry but you seem to not be able to state facts and not opinions and be a objective. Have a good day
@@MT-hj1nj Hahahaha, more like you can't handle the facts. Go look back the footage from the first laps in Spain this year. You'll see exactly what i mean, unless you're chicken of course.
I think Max said it himself last year after he won the title. His goal in Formula 1 was to win a world championship, all what happens next is just a bonus. Of course he will push to the absolute limit every race, but he feels a lot less pressure than last year, when he wasn’t world champion. I think because Max feels less pressure for himself, he is able to react more calculated to the approach of Leclerc. I am convinced we will see a crash this season, but I think the battles on track will be cleaner than last year.
Yes, true. Also that Red Bull is in the position to fight for the championship this year wasn't expected. Last year they finally had the opportunity after years of Mercedes dominance so they threw everything at it.
thats nonsense. Max won the championship last year yes, but you cant be satisfied by only one, mate, look at Hamilton, was devastated for losimg his 8th world Championship, 8TH!!!!! Max wants wayyyy more wins and championships, and will do everything ti win all the championship every single year.
@@rodrigoescobar8137 I think you should watch some videos of Max. You definitely don’t know hin that well. Yes ofcourse he wants more championships when they are there to take, but the comment above tells exactly how it is and Max had way less pressure and every chance to possibly win a championship is a bonus. He said that multiple times.
it must have been horrible for Lewis when Max lapped him in one of the recent races. I really enjoyed Lewis and Max going at it last year. It makes it much more exciting. They both crossed the line at different points last year - I think Lewis was at fault for Silverstone and Max at Monza. It was like Prost and Senna all over again.
Reporters asked Max if he enjoyed that and he said "No. He has a poor car right now and these things happen."
I thought that was cool of him to say.
yeah. but its sad to see that hamilton fans on twitter think that max is the devil or smth. they gotta understand that the drivers dont hate each other
@@rybuds47 I didn't know that - that is cool!
Exactly man, agree completely
Pity that for all the crimes max committed you still think Lewis was to blame for not backing out or missing the Apex. Typical max fans. Biased as always. This year shows that max can drive fair. But Lewis was a cornerstone, he had to that to win or else he would have lost. Either way he would have lost if… well NVM
I feel Max last year raced Lewis in an aggressive way to put up a point that "come on champ, this time I'm here for real and you're not going to win this as easily as you did these past years"
he clearly rattled Hamilton in the first half of 2021 and some of the scars of that are even visible now IMO.
there was definite animosity in those battles and Kudos to max for showing the guts to stand up to a team dominating for years and pushing right upto the limit and beyond. something that vettel couldn't do in 2017, 2018
What do you mean the guts? They had the faster car for at least half the season. And his driving was reckless and dangerous. While he is a phenomenal driver and he shows it in qualifying and in the rain, his attack and defense strategy is mostly bullying the other. Either I pass or we crash. That is not having the guts. It is not knowing how to safely overtake. Overtaking is a skill and an art. If your only way to do it is to put yourself and others in danger, than you don't have it.
Vettle has respect for others and for the sport. That is why he didn't do stuff like that.
Comparing Vettel in the fiasco that was Ferrari is very different to comparing Redbull. Also Vettel and Lewis had engaged in combat several times those years and not once had it ended in a race ending collision
@@MegaIronica Damn that’s true man, I feel that could’ve all easily been avoided if the stewards would’ve just penalized him for driving like a maniac
@@MegaIronica tbf that is exactly how people considered Senna's driving style. If the stewards dont punish, then I would also drive the same way.
Don’t lie to yourself. Lewis was just better. Max had to do that if he wanted to win. If he raced fair. He would have lost
I absolutely love how these 2 race each other, there is so much respect between them what makes their battles a joy to watch
they race each other in a similar way to how senna and prost raced each other, which is amazing to watch (hamilton and verstappen)
and max and charles racing each other is like rosberg vs hamilton, which is also good
i feel that after siverstone, max was very much more aggressive since he felt lewis was at fault and not punished properly
For sure, I'm a Max fan, but imo you could clearly see that he took more risks since that race, especially at the end of the season where Max was in the lead, meaning if they both crashed out, Max was still in the lead (Saudi perfect example).
Change the names around. Verstappen got what he did at Silverstone after OOT aggression at earlier races. Turns out, he didn't like the outcome he was lucky enough to have delayed until then.
False, it was Lewis fault at silverstone. He was behind and he still didn’t give up
I think Silverstone incident made it personal. I remember Jos telling that Max will never drive for Mercedes in the aftermath.
exactly, after silverstone he was probably like fuck it, if Lewis cant respect me on track, why should I respect him. And the gloves were off after that. Honestly, I dont blame Max
Max and Charles race hard and fair. Lewis is a sneaky bastard. The years of driving the dominant car made it look like he was the calculated, almost Prost-like strategist.
But whenever he is put under pressure, he becomes a dirty driver. Look at how he raced Rosberg.
And after Silverstone Max had zero respect left for Lewis. Can't blame him.
I think a large part of this has to do with the Red Bull's characteristics of this season versus last. Last season, Verstappen had a quick car in the corners that could fire up its tires quickly, but had issues with tire wear. As a result, his windows to attack other drivers were short, so he'd have to be aggressive when behind and drive away fast when in front. This season, Verstappen has a quick car on the straights with good tire management, so he can afford to wait for his rivals' tires to go off before attacking. As a result, to maximize the car's characteristics, Verstappen has driven this year's Red Bull more conservatively whereas he drove last year's Red Bull very aggressively.
I think another thing to keep in mind is the difference between Mercedes and Ferrari as teams. Red Bull and Mercedes have world class teams, strategists, and pit crews. Ferrari, on the other hand, does not match up to Red Bull in these regards, especially when it comes to strategy. Because Verstappen and Red Bull don't have to worry about a good Ferrari strategy, Verstappen can (once again) afford to be more passive and let the race develop, and simply wait for Ferrari to screw up. This was not something he could rely on last year.
Never seen something more right
Glad to finally some likeminded people.
its there is so much reasoning behind the aggressiveness of RBR and especially max in last years season.
And don't forget that with the upcoming regulation changes and new car the chances of 2021 being the final chance of getting the championship in the pocket were enormous.
they had to get it in 2021 cause Merc being Merc, everybody expected them to come out of the winter stop into the 2022 season with a rocketship that nobody could compare to.
We know now what happened but still I believe after years of pushing RBR to the max to get closer to Merc, last years was their final shot before the unpredictability would come
In 2021, it was Max vs Lewis, Wolff vs Horner and RB pit crew vs Merc pit crew... It was carnage...
It was personal in 2021.
Hamilton is very aggresive too, I find it very peculiar that people never notice this.
Believe me, Albon noticed
Hamilton took Max out is Silverstone and could have killed him ! But you brushed over that .
@@alcoyne3333333333333 ur exaggerating he had a precautionary check after the crash
@@alcoyne3333333333333 unlucky mate, hopefully u understand the situation better for the future
mostly when defending ,
I think there are a lot of factors that make a difference:
1. What you said in the video. Max and Charles have a history. So they know each other inside out as racing drivers.
2. Different regulations.
3. The Mercedes was still a rocket ship last year (=straight line speed advantage). There was almost no way to overtake them for Red Bull other than having a better strategy or just being ahead right from the start.
4. Max got his championship. So naturally he can be a bit more calm now.
5. Max had to fight the 7 time world champion with the best team in F1 history. Naturally he had to push it in order to bring the fight. And as it turned out by the end, if he didn't - he wouldn't have been the champion. So he did everything right in retrospective.
Everything wrong or nothing wrong?
That Mercedes was not a rocket ship lol, atleast over the entire year, the last few races yes but before then Redbull very much had a better car. It’s just that last year Max had no concept of playing the long game as opposed to this year.
@@karthikpenumetch9300 Can't blame him for that because it was his first season and the cars couldn't follow for long. So for a higher position (that is, in this case, a win), he had to make the move happen. Hence more risks. And mind you, this year's car being so competitive wasn't a guarentee back then. So for him, it was his only chance to go for it.
The RedBull was faster for most of the season. The Mercedes wasn’t a rocketship at all compared to the RB lol. Even Adrian Newey said they had the quicker car, tired of people pretending like RedBull was some sort of underdog last season, I expected them to win.
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Rocket ship = straight line speed advantage. Look at the data where the Mercedes gained speed. It's rough to overtake a car thats faster in the straight line
I think you'd want to check the cooldown room moment after the Brazil 2018 race.
Max and Lewis both chat about how he got taken out by ocon. Max however is adamant that he's not at fault which is completely understandable but Lewis let's him know that he(max) had a lot more to lose than him. it was a pretty cool convo imo
Please don't forget that when you look back in F1 history through Lewis his years he's always colliding with someone. Albon Brazil, Vettel Baku, Alonso Canada etc... Missing his apex completely pushing drivers off of the track and so on. I'm not saying he is dirty, but he puts his elbows out aswell. Other driver will react and set their mind to this when racing him. Max certainly isnt the cleanest of the bunch, thats why he is so spectaculair to watch I think, but yeah. Neither was Lewis.
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Some people only look at max to take him down. Hamilton has a long list of crashes that where caused by him but no one talks about it.
To say that Max put Lewis in the position that you either back out or crash in Silverstone is absolutely ridiculous. Max gave even more space than he needed to in that corner. If Lewis took the same line he took when he overtook leclerec they would have both went through just fine.
Becoming clear that it was Lewis that was the problem last year because he doesnt know how to race wheel-to-wheel. All Charles vs Max battles have been very hard but very clean.
The answer is yes. Bc Hamilton and Charles are much different. Hammie is bit more naughty and cunning. An ol fox that works so subtly that he can blame it on the other driver.
Maybe Hamilton was the issue? Max was rammed off the track at silverstone and that has set the tone.
Max has been racing against Leclerc since their carting days. It’s just different when you go way back with someone like those two.
Right now there's respect between max and charles
But all it takes is one crash and the rivalry will explode
It’s between Mini max and Checho😀
Last year Max almost literally had to fight to win because of his car being inferior. It seems RB s car was great, but it was Max squeezing every inch of juice out of the RB car, whereas the Merc simply had more power, especially in the 2nd half of the season. Also, LH played lots of mental games and Max lost a lot of respect for LH because of it. Remember, Max could only see the back of the Merc the years prior. Now that he had a chance, he was not going to let it slip away from him. Go for every gap. There was only professional respect, not genuine respect. With Charles its completely different, they basically grew up together, and the cars allow for much better racing, even though the cars are far from perfect. Plus Max has his championship in the bag, everything now is a bonus.
Don't forget Max always drives on the limit. That includes the limit of the rules.
This year the rules have been changed somewhat in that you must leave room on the track for the overtaking driver.
That means he had to change his driving style for that.
Just like running along side the race leader during a safety car restart. They changed the rules and he conforms to them.
But any rules not completely clear will be tested, to see how far he can go.
Well that's just racing what can u say, finding loopholes in the rules always will happen trying to get any advantage. E.g merc 2020 with the DAS 🤷
As far as I remember Max did not close the door many times on Lewis last season, mainly because in most of the incidents he was the one on the inside or overtaking. So I don't believe he had to change his driving style much because of this rule change.
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When overtaking on the inside, you have to leave room for the other driver on the exit of the corner.
Instead of running all the way to the white line and 'pushing' the other driver off the track.
That's the difference this year.
So no, not a lot has changed in his driving style, just minor tweaks.
The difference is that Leclerc doesn't go for overtakes or defenses that are not on. Something Hamilton is still doing this year. Miami with Russell where he ran him off the track while Russell was on new tyres and massively faster. Spain with Kmag where he pushed too hard to keep a place and went into understeer, Monaco with Ocon where he tried an overtake into turn 1 that was never going to work. It's not even new from the last 2 seasons. We have seen that in Monza a few years ago against Leclerc where he tried to overtake on the outside into turn 4 that wa snever ever going to work.
I like how you managed to put all the alterations that occurred down to Hamilton. Like Brazil and Saudi? What do you expect Lewis to do in those situations with Max chucking the car like a missile on the inside and missing the corner
@@karthikpenumetch9300 Did I blame Hamilton for those? No. Imola was the fault of Verstappen, Saudi Verstappen overdid it on the overtake attempts into turn 1. But as it stands one of them isn't tied up into incidents so far while the other one still causes incidents. Leclerc isn't defending positions he has already lost, so in general there isn't any need for more aggressive overtakes on Leclerc.
Hamilton gets unreasonably aggressive with a slower car. I mean he even was pushing wide Russel trying to overtake him. Collided with Hasses a few times, etc. Max knew how aggressive Lewis really is in 2021 so was answered with the same. I also feel like the first time when Leclerc and Max collide this year, their rivalry will spice up way more.
1 of the things I ALWAYS miss in these discussions as the what was at stake.
I do agree that near the end of the 2021 season Max was really REALLY aggressive in his driving and really didn't want to back out of any fight.
But the thing nobody seems to talk about is that Max, for the first time since driving at RBR, had a fighting chance at the championship.
During the season it became obvious that even though the RB car was good, it still wasn't at the level of the MB car.
This made it even more necessary to take a lot of risks for Max to get ahead and stay ahead.
As the season went on the Max kept pushing the boundaries and was penalized for when he went to far as well. (ignoring the questionable decisions from the stewards at times)
The only way Max new he could stay on top was to race increasingly hard.
I think many people believed that RBR had the better car, but Brazil proved that to be a big miscalculation.
Lewis started in the back and over the course of a sprint race and feature race drove from last to first without any trouble.
The only trouble he had was passing Max.
Merc from the summer break had the far superior car and RBR couldn't do much about it.
So:
- with a lesser car then MB
- With MB closing in in the championship
- totally new cars coming next season and the risk of not getting close to MB at all and all chances of winning a championship flying out the window
He HAD to go as hard as the stewards would allow him to.
Sure it wasn't always pretty but for years RBR has been fighing with max to get to MB's level and finally they were SO CLOSE.
2021 HAD to be the year max took the win in in the championship as the risk of the new regulations was to big to just say "we always have next season".
This year Lec is basically direct rival for Max though I think Max is still the superior driver on the grid and not many can get to his speed.
Also There is a lot less laying on the line now as the car from Ferrari and RBR are pretty much on the same level.
Ferrari having more downforce and and can get through slow and medium corners faster while RBR is faster on the fast corners and straights.
Max doesn't have to play a full season of catching up to a car that is stronger now so he can take less risks and drive more calculated like Lewis did.
I also think that Lec and Max have a better understanding of each others racing style which makes it easier to outsmart each other.
You can look at the Bahrein race where Lec just simply tried to lure Max into the DRS trap and pick him up at the end of the second drs section.
On the other hand Max also outsmarted Lec in several occasions.
So these 2 will have a fairer looking fight then Max and Lewis had.
I do think that when we get closer to the end the fighting and wheelbanging WILL get more frequent and chances for crashes will become more expected every race.
Especially if Ferrari manages to keep the gap close enough to Max with Lec.
It's not that Max is racing Charls different, it's that Lewis just doesn't know how to race. Behind all the polls, magical luck and the most dominant car the sport will ever see, is a driver literally drowned in racing incidents and mistakes; mainly those involving his favourite front wheels. Lewis just doesn't know the difference between a racing line and an overtaking line. Max is the same as like Vettel, they are aggresive and go for the overtake when it's possible. The reason why both of these guys had incidents with Lewis is; he just did not care to change his line. Charles understands this better, and will adjust going into corners and whatnot to try and reattempt overtakes. Lewis just uses the brute force of the engine to keep a line and hope he doesn't have to overtake again. This is why he struggled so much with Checo, because Lewis just expects speed to pass; he doesn't set things up.
This actually is also why Russell is doing so well this year. Russell spending all that time in Williams has made him a very technical driver. Finding balance and consistency no matter the track. Lewis IS faster on some tracks, but that's because he's just bleeding the engine, and finding trouble when for instance, stuck behind an Alpine, let alone Alonso, who damn well KNOWS how to drive and defend.
Max has more incidents than Hamilton with 7 years less in the sport...
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Your boy Max has more penalty points as of now and has had more incidents than Lewis despite driving roughly half of Lewis’s time. How about try conveying a point using facts rather than your tears :D
Man , you told that so well 👍👍👏👏
@@karthikpenumetch9300 LOL Why do you keep saying others are crying, while it is your boy who lost and obviously you find it very hard to accept. But really hard. LOL.
Yes! For a few possible reasons. 1) he already has a championship and is not that aggressive. 2) he knows Charles won't back down. 3) he knows he has a great car and doesn't have to bully others to pass or defend. 4) it's just the start of the season and crashes are coming later.
I'm a big fan of both Hamilton and Verstappen, so maybe I can be a bit more objective about this. It is true that last year Verstappen was quite aggressive throughout the championship. I would say the racing was tough but fair in the first races, but there was a turning point, half way through the season, after the Silverstone crash, when Lewis was about 2 meters off the apex at Copse and hit with his front left wheel, Vertappen's rear right, sending him to the barrier at very high speed, getting 0 points in the race, requiring an engine change for the following race and needing a subsequent checkup at the hospital. Lewis went on to win that race as the penalty he got was ridiculous considering the outcome of the action. From that day on, the fair racing basically disappeared, as both Red Bull and Max were completely frustrated at the decisions made by the stewards and thought that Max might take Lewis out of a race and get away with it (just as Lewis did at Silverstone). The crash at turn 2 at Monza is a good example of this.
The fair racing we are witnessing in 2022 between Max and Charles has, in my opinion, a lot to do with the fact that it is only the first part of the championship and there is no need to take unnecessary risks. In addition, Verstappen, being already world champion, drives more maturelly and thinks more in the long term during races.
Leclerc and MV are sort of the same. No BS just racing ... No mind games, sandbagging, not trying to force ppl to support their cause, no whining, owning up to their mistakes, not trying to find excuses all the time ...
I am convinced MV respects Leclerc way more than LH.
I think you have a wrong view of Hamilton being a percentage racer and not being agressive.
He pushed Max of the track almost every race with some accidents occurring because of it.
It's insane how people think of Lewis as the quintessential fair racer. He likes to tap that rear right wheel of others, and pushing other wide was his signature move with Rosberg. I don't hold it against him, others do it too since the stewards often don't penalize it. But Lewis is extremely far from being a Kimi Raikkonen in that regard. He's somewhere in the middle with young Max at the extreme end of aggression and Kimi at the other end.
His latest crash with Alonso was a good example of that mentality, he just expected Alonso to move out of the way. In fact, you can clearly see that he didn't even look in his mirrors before blindly turning in. It's exactly what Max would do a lot a few years back, _"You yield, or we crash. Your call."_
What is most surprising is that he, of all people, should know that Alonso was never going to move out of his way! Lewis isn't as aggressive as Max when he's in his _Mad Max_ mode. But that's not saying much tbh...
In 2021 max racing a far faster car than his, in 2022 he race against a pretty much equal car, he doesn't need to be as aggressive as in 2021, max needed to be super aggressive in 2021 to win the championship and I'm so glad he did, making the season so much fun to watch.
The red bull was faster
@@EF.707 eh not really. It was for the first chunk of the season or so. But the last half of the season the merc was a bit better, and a good amount quicker from Brazil onward
@@EF.707 did you watch the 2021 F1? lmao
"I think on balance we probably had the better car" - Adrian Newey, Red Bull chief technical director, 2021
@@blobs819901 yes I did
I think he will probably revert to his more aggressive racing as the pressure mounts
nah, the pressure is on Ferrari and we all know the spaghetti regretti that happens when an ounce of expectation is on that team and leclerc 🤡
He doesn’t need to. It’s clear that battling and beating Ferrari is much easier than Mercedes. When Lewis and Max go at each other it’s like two enter but only one can exit, it isn’t the same vibe against Charles.
@@dre359 16 Constructers and 15 Drivers Championships wants to deny your claims
@@dre359 “spaghetti regretti” got me balling
@@demolitiondummy9712 Prior to Jean Todt and Michael Schumacher, Ferrari had a pretty long dry streak, 1983-1999 in the WCC and 1979-2000 in the WDC.
If you watched how Lewis raced his teammate George in Miami GP… Yep, almost exactly the same as to what Lewis did to Max last year… pushed George right off the track.
And George is his teammate ffs 😂
Aldas last year (2021) Lewis was chasing Max at Imola on a slippery track off line and tried to overtake a backmarker and also binned it so your story at 6:50 is not entirely true
I'm glad how you point out how Lewis can be just as aggressive as these two guys when he needs it. Most pundit would simply skip and label aggressive tag on Max only .
Max started racing Lewis differently after Silverstone. Celebrating when Max is in hospital
Thats when Max lost ALL respect for Lewis
Thats when Max took the gloves off
He's going to make sure they are both going to crash out if Lewis is not going to back down
i think that hamilton was more cautious in 2021 because of his 10 penalty points, the low downforce aero concept that saw him take less cornering speed so he couldn't go around the outside, brake ducts got nerfed in the 2021 regs and so hard braking wasn't an option, me as an engineer can tell you that what lewis did in 2021 was remarkable especially in imola, spain, bahrain, jeddah, abu dhabi, austin, qatar, mexico, portugal, and most importantly, sao paula, greatest display of talent in a race, leclerc is well-suited professional and great but he doesn't pack the same punch against lewis and if it wasn't for checo, a safety car, billionare crashing, fresh soft-tyres, 40+lap old Ham tyres and the lapped unlapped cars situation, we would've had lewis as champion, max actually had good car balance, grip, downforce, straight-line speed for half the season and comfort
If Lewis didn't crash Max out in Silverstone and if Bottas didn't decide to play bowling in Hungary Max would've won the title with 3 races to go. You can always make an "if" scenario where something different happened but at the end of the day it didn't. Mercedes was also the better car for most of the season, RB never had better straight line speed and in Sao Paulo Lewis had a brand new engine that gave him additional 15kph on the straight. Glad that George is showing him how it's done this season and we can watch great battles in the front between great two young drivers and not some diva who always has to get his way
@@danielkellerman4064 First say that without crying. Second since when does have superior straightline speed determine overral pace over a lap. Mercedes had better straight line speed the entire season but were still slower than Rb which had way better Chassis and cornering speed. Merc only was able to match Rb in chassis in the last few races of the season.
@@karthikpenumetch9300 Why would I cry? I supported Max last season and he won...
Never said that straight line speed = faster car but Mercedes had the faster package overall from Silverstone onwards. How do you explain them winning the constructors if they didn't have the faster car? Bottas took 3 engine penalties in the second half of the season while Perez took none and Mercedes was still on top of the constructors. And I notice you completely ignored what I said about George. I guess you don't have any arguments against it. That's what happens when he has a real competition in the second Mercedes seat. Better in qualifying, better in the race and all that in his first season in a remotely competitive car beating the 7 time world champion. It really makes you think how we ever got all those titles. Oh wait, I know - he had the fastest car from 2014-2021. Not only did he had the fastest car but it was sometimes over a second faster than the second best car. In the same car Lewis wouldn't come close to Max and Charles
@@danielkellerman4064 Redbull were still superior in Zandvoort, Mexico, and Austin. Second there’s no way your comparing Bottas who is in his fifth season with the team, vs Perez who is in his first season in a car that had drivers had previously failed. Perez cost the constructors not the car, Adrain Newey even stating overall Redbull was the better car. Second people who try and make it seem like George is beating Lewis on merit are about as manipulative as they come. Lewis would’ve finished ahead in both Miami and Australia if it weren’t for George being bailed by a safety car. And far superior pace in Spain and was able to gain 50 seconds over the course of the race despite the first lap puncture. Monaco where his qualifying was prevented by the Red flag, etc. George hasn’t been beating him down to pure performance, more down to circumstance. Put the two in a title contending car where drivers are judged purely down to pace, rather than who can best benefit from circumstances. Finally didn’t Lewis literally match the reigning champion Fernando Alonso in his rookie season? Lol. Nah but Lewis haters don’t pay want to pay attention to that, sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda
@@karthikpenumetch9300 Can't deny that George is almost a full win ahead of Lewis at this stage. Yes, he lacks about 0.2s of raw pace. But he's extremely consistent. I expect Lewis to close the gap before the end of the season, likely even overtaking George. But being close to Lewis in Lewis' Mercedes during your first year is extremely impressive.
For me, its probably due to the different approaches the drivers have. Lewis has 7 championships, his mastery of F1's psychological battle and mind games allowed him to completely ruin Seb in the 2017/18 title challenges. This does mean however that people can freely study and prepare against Lewis' tactics, and Max knew that to beat Lewis he needed to employ mind games of his own. To me his forceful driving last season was a way to get into Lewis' head, which worked, as shown by Lewis having to change his approach from Silverstone onwards, as well as having an uncharacteristically mistake-ridden season, many of which cost him the championship come the end. Charles by comparison is unrpoven and relatively straight-forward. Charles doesnt employ mind games and the way he is currently trying to win the championship is as simple as "just driving". Beating Charles could be as simple as being more consistent, more aggressive, and more ruthless than he is. Right now Max is just driving like usual, similar to Lewis last season where he started out just using the approach he has always used, only later into the season did tactics change. Charles and Max are very similar drivers which is why I have liked them both since the start of my time watching the sport (admittedly not very long ago), which gives this rivalry, one that has been around since 2019 a "Hakkinen-Schumacher" feeling.
Tbh I miss max’s uncompromising moves
I think it’s very important to consider that the rules have been changed/tweaked since 2021 with overtaking and pushing a car out wide being more of an offence now- how many times, from both drivers, did we see them showing one another the door on the outside.
Though prior experience is also an element too
I agree, though it's notable the rules haven't changed much, is at all in most cases. They're just being enforced now.
Important to note a lot of those changes were made in response to Max’s actions last year… For instance, his antics with borderline overtaking under safety car. Those rule changes are a direct response to that.
Silverstone changed Max, he became more ruthless vs Lewis
I think Max is going through a Lewis phase. Basically Lewis was aggresive as fuck in his early days but ever since Rosberg left and Lewis lost because of that brutal DNF in Malaysia he adopted this calculating approach. But Max brought that back for Lewis in silverstone. Now Max is going through the same thing of just taking it easy knowing he almost lost the title last year by not settling for P2 at times.
Finally someone said it. Verstappen was always assuming that Hamilton would back off.At the start of the season I was supporting Verstappen but that kind of behavior made me start to like Hamilton more. The only reason they didn't crash more times was because Hamilton always made a move to avoid him
I believe that Leclerc would actually back out sooner than Lewis I've never seen Leclerc race as hard as Lewis in wheel to wheel battles.
But that is sport at top level. Knowing your rival will back off means he can go for the move. If Lewis never backed of from the get go, Max wouldn't made a move like in Barcelona'21
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Silverstone 2019. Watch it.
@@tijgertjekonijnwordopgegeten Monza 2019.
@@Fresta93 the consequence of that was the monza crash and maybe even the Silverstone crash. And it's only because of Hamilton backing out that they didn't crash in Imola and interlagos
One thing worth mentioning is that we know how Max raced Lewis for the title, but I feel like 2022 Max is a different guy. With the championship under his belt he seems to be more mature and confident than he was. Leclerc doesn't have that mental fortitude as he is still willing to give it all for a WDC.
what championship???
@@milandavid6405 2021 man, deal with it. I'm a Lewis supporter, but either one of them deserved it, and in the end Max got it. He drove his heart out and it was well deserved. Yes it was a shitty restart at the last race, but it is what it is.
Mini max, fake champion. RB bribed Massy in my opinion.
@@milandavid6405 keep seething haha
@@grbashour SUPER Max 2021 WDC. WOW WOW WOW WHAT A CHAMPION!!!
have you also considered that Lewis was driving Max differently than LEC is?
It's interesting to see, that you mention Imola and patience at a half damp track. That's just where Lewis also didn't had the patience!?
I think in addition what you nicely explained in this video, the dynamic of HAM v VER was much more rebellious on the part of Max because Lewis had been pretty much the king of F1 for 7 years running and beating him is much more of a testament to his ability than beating his young rival from the karting days. That may change if Ferrari v RedBull continues into the future.
We should also not forget that the antics of Lewis are offputting to some people who have characters like Max's.
Max isn't very polished and says bluntly what he thinks, while Lewis is very calculated and measured these days in the Paddock, what Max and others (including me, though I like Lewis broadly) might find insincere or even dishonest.
That coupled with Lewis' political activism in 2020, which many regarded as a little over the top performance art, made him a much more of a 'villain' than Charles could ever be at this stage of his career.
Not to mention the role the media played pressurising and hounding max towards the last half of the season and basically singing Lewis' praises non stop. In addition to mercedes clearly having the faster car by the last half and especially last third of the season
Who cares who regards it as over the top, he still performed and I can bet a 100 percent you’re a white donny who has never gone through certain issues to understand, your fave driver likes to be quiet in times of struggles and you think that’s more of a good thing lol, my brother pattern up
@@mohlaw6383 first true racist is spotted.....and it is a lewis fanboy. typical.
This is not so much Max's character as it is part of Dutch culture. Very blunt, honest and direct.
@@mohlaw6383 You are a racist and a rude person
Max has done his "i'm ready to be a champion" driving statement in 2020. Out of the 17 races, he had 5 DNF, one 6th place, 2 wins (same as Bottas) and 11 podiums out of the 12 races that he actually completed. He was the only one to actually put pressure to Mercedes with a much worse car at the time. Mercedes looked like a spaceship while his Red Bull looked like a Honda GLX in comparison. And don't forget that was during the "DAS era" advantage of the Mercedes. So at the end of that year, he actually realised his potential and 2021 was when he had the attitude "i know i can do it and i'll do it".
Charles at this time, is a brilliant driver that besides his team holding him back, he's let's say even more unlucky that has to beat the driver that did the mentioned above performance. His only way to make Max feel pressure is by his team start being FLAWLESS (cmon Ferrari, man up), while he's putting his best skills into action.
It's up to him to try to have a "Max alike 2020" performance and mentalitty, in order to try and make 2023 a championship winning year.
I feel like everyttime the max lewis rivalery is assesed certain areas i value are overlooked. The picture of max being a over aggressive driver is a wrong one in my opinion. Has max been to reckless at times? 100%. But i feel like Mercedes has pushed agenda too much in the 2021 season. Max has really behaved himself in that season as he wanted to be a serious championship contender. I really feel like the silverstone crash was caused more out of spite from lewis wanting to win his home gp and still be a serious contender rather then max crossing the line and being rightfully punished for it, which is how bts paints the scene (and i imagine merc just as well). But i'm open to different opinions (provided they are backed with sound arguments)
Spite that's a new one.
The difference is Lewis, like in Miami when he ran Rus off the track.
Oh really? Like when Max forced Lewis off track in Brazil and Saudi and missed the fucking corner? But that was also somehow on Lewis right?
In the end of the season Max just matched the dirtiness of Hamilton and Mercedes in the middle of the season.
Remember guys, Silverstone wasn't going over the line but Brazil was
Also, I think in the earliest races of 2021 Max had the slower car and had to make agressive moves to overtake.
This year the RB and the Ferrari are more equal, like the RB and the Merc mid 21 season.
Only mid 21 the pressure was already there..
It was actually Mercedes who had the slower car for most of the season.
I think in the first racees Max had actually a faster car. The Mercedes was extremely fast in the few last races though. But most of the season both cars were about the same level of performance
RB was faster for Merc for most of the season actually
I think that Max wanted to beat Louis mentally and he definitely did that
I think he's calmer with leclerc because he's already a world champion it's the pinnacle of motorsports achievements what else does he need to prove
I think you missed a detail. Last years cars where hard to follow and you would ruin your tires, just following someone closely. So you only had a few shots to overtake in a race, that's why Max was so aggressive, he knew he only had one shot most of the time
Mercedes and Hamilton were exceptionalisms at it's peak. They had an attitude about them, and if Max and Red Bull did not the take the war to them Mercedes would have done to them what they did to Ferrari and Seb 2017 - 2018; walk over them. Ferrari and Charles are not coming from a similar position as the Merc and Ham did.
Overtaking a 7 time champion with 100 plus wins would mean more than a 4 time race winner so the way max will approach the championship will be very different so will the racing between them
These videos really do be getting me through the weeks without races 😭
2021 was all civil and respectful...until Silverstone happened. 51G spices things up.
Definitely different. Last year, Max needed to break Hamilton and thats exactly what he did. Hamilton isn’t the same, Russell is dominating him. Max doesn’t need to break Charles. Charles is the one that has something to prove. Max will win this year’s championship, and probably the next one after.
Anyone might think it was actually Lewis? Lewis has a history of being dirty when push comes to shove. And the race the rivalry escalated last year was Silverstone. And Silverstone wasn't max not giving Lewis space, thay was just pure dirty of Lewis.
Lewis being dirty didn't make Max completely miss the braking zone in Brazil, or skip across T1 in Jeddah overtaking, or brakecheck Ham, and they both forced each other wide off the track when they could get away with it. I've no horse in the race with those two, they both had moments of dicketry towards each other. Pinning it on one of them is dumb.
@@2Steps well yes, thats true. Although I disagree woth the brakechecking. My point is it al started with Lewis being dirty. From thatcmoment I agree, that max started playing dirty too. But to be fair, Lewis gave the startsign.
@@delusion2987 lol Imola was after Silverstone. The fact you say that Silverstone was 100% Lewis but max shouldve backed out, is ridiculous.
It's not really Max who is different, it's his rival. Leclerc (and also Max) isn't near as mad and reckless as Lewis was/is.
I think the regs also play a crucial part here, as many know, 2021 cars are so hard to overtake so it definitely rewards drivers who are more aggressive early on their stint/tire life to keep/earn a position. The 2021 Merc was a rocket down the straights and RB was more nimble on slow speed corners so I think these car characteristics played a part... adding to the fact that 2021 cars are so hard to race against each other make for more "aggressive maneuvers" .
Great video man! Agree that I prefer this type of respectful racing. Perez and Sainz adding pressure definitely adds to the overall enjoyment, I just wish Lando could be in the mix more often!
You forgot the part where Mercedes literally put every trick of cheating with their car with use of flexible rear end wing and suspension and the engine overpower mode tactics and replacing the engines often. There is no way Max could have won without those lundges.
For the British its now normal to say that Silverstone was a turning point because "Hamilton decided not to back down anymore" ... That does not describe what happened.. Hamilton was not winning, Max was.., so in Cobbs corner Hamilton was braking to little too late, understeering and missing the Apex, taking Max out. Celebrating like nothing happend. That's when Hamilton lost being a real champion.
If u no longer go for a gap u no longer a racing driver then what's wrong here
@@shuriya5237 there was no gap to go to, he was understeering outwards
What some people just don't see is that it is also Hamilton (and Botas and Vettel in the past) that race different against Max. It's like Max is like a red drag on a bull to them. They start doing silly things. Agree or not I really don't care. It's a fact.
100% agree, but having said that the new FIA president did publically say that if certain drivers carried on being overly aggressive they could face race bans, it was fairly obvious who it was aimed at
RBR were probably a little more hungry being the under-dogs in that fight for so long. MV was racing with a bit more desperation. He did whatever was necessary to win the race, in the Turbo Hybrid era that's what it took to beat Mercedes.
Such a biased Englishman, really showing your true colors blaming so much on Max and not Lewis. Shameful.
Mate apart from Silverstone what other incident was primarily on Lewis last year
@@karthikpenumetch9300 Well, there was Jeddah for example where Lewis received a warning from the stewards for pushing Max off the tracks. And if you believe Hamilton really didn't know what was happening with the supposed brake checking at Jeddah, Hamilton fooled you well.
I agree the animosity was higher against Lewis, but i will say, the merc at the end of the 2021 was just faster with the constant engine changes. Max was getting desperate to hold onto his points.
Agreed. Red bull defiantly has the advantage in the first half, but Mercedes gained back that lost ground, and with the spectacle mar driving from Lewis it was very much in Lewis favour at the end.
It's almost like mercedes came to brazil with the w11
Only dangerous thing I saw at Jeddah last year was Lewis NOT overtaking Max when he tried to give the position back. Lewis on PURPOSE stayed behind Max. It's a race. He should have over taken instead of played the "break checking" card. +1 Dislike on the video for calling Max out instead of Lewis. kinda expected this biased showcase of last year. Sad.
nah no way bro last season was amazing with all the suspense. This season is good, but nowhere near last season.
I think last year..max was hungry for the drivers champion..so he was going abit aggressive than lewis...which he won 7 times...
This year...since max has the drivers champion so he can be abit more relaxed and calm i must say but still have the aggresiveness in him..... also i think max have more respect towards charles rather than lewis...imo...
I think max being crashed into the wall in britain showed max what he was dealing with.
Perfect analysis of the 2021 battle. Great video, Aldas
I feel like this so biased towards Lewis
looking at max and Leclerc f1 career I think they are equally talented but i still think max Verstappen is max Verstappen and he is more aggressive driver but after what happen last year he defiantly learn that it's long game and with the 2 dnf's and 46 point behind he couldn't take risk but now he is in lead and i think if going into 2nd half if he is in lead then I can bet he will drive aggressively
The pressure is gonna come back the closer they are to the end of the season. I’d take that bet too.
@@hifriend7581 yes
leclerc is very agressive aswell look at their 2019 battles. the only difference is that they have respect for each other and dont risk hurting/damaging the other person. lewis is not like this when he is challenged for the title he is extremely dangerous. look at 2010, 2011, 2012, 2015, 2016 ,2017 ,2018 and 2021 he will be dirty and aggressive most of the time. though the other driver wont be like him and be fair, but last year max played like lewis and lewis lost out. even in 19 and 20 he was smashing into the redbulls and stuff even though his car was miles ahead of the competition.
I believe it’s 2 factors. 1 Max probably felt immense pressure to deliver a championship at the first legitimate time of asking so he wanted to go for any move available. 2. Once the precedent was set that you could push your rival off the track to overtake he took complete advantage of that. Also Lewis v. Max started the season respectfully the same as this season. It boiled over as it went on and if this year’s battle stays close I expect the same thing
CL will not drive the far right side of the old strait to go into Copse with dirty tires knowing he would not make it, and torpedoing MV.
The difference doesn't lie in the driving of MV, but in the driving of that other guy.
Lose the bias and start looking straight.
I think the fact that there are new race directors, and a new head of the FIA are a factor as well. Everyone is feeling each other out.
I think Max and Charles will make contact at some point, it’s racing. There professionals! They’ll move on to the next race. The media makes more of these incidents than they really are.
Definitely different. The aggression of Max towards Lewis seemed almost personal IMO.
That is exactly how it was perceived by me and my fiance there is just to much speculation to be completely informed about it but I saw a part of the red bull driver that made me no longer a supporter of his
And yes I like Lewis but I love Ferrari and am a supporter of them first and foremost then Merc
@@Wolfywolf7 Verstappen has used that tactic a lot more. Just look at Verstappen vs Räikkönen 2016 in Spa. Or Verstappen crashing into Vettel many times in 2018. Or attempting it in Brazil 2021. I can go on. Hamilton has had 2 incidents with Albon and then Silverstone with Verstappen. Even Max said Lewis isn't a dirty driver. But basically the whole grid calls Max aggressive.
@@98MTBiker kimi and max were rivals in 2016? Max just joined Redbull he wasnt close in points at all. Same story in 2018, yes he was aggresive, but no where near a rival
@@colintebaerts1543 We were talking about racing tactics here. It doesn't matter if you are rivals or not. Max is aggressive towards every driver he can't just fly past.
@@Wolfywolf7 Well I didn't catch that race I just saw highlights of the race So I can't confidently give an opinion on it but I think that That young man is just entitled and he was enabled and led to believe that his conduct was appropriate and his approach to how he handled himself and raced was fine when it really wasn't in my eyes . There is a difference between being aggressive and having aggression and he had aggression .
Max popped his cherry, thats what it comes down to for me. All those years of pressure (especially to beat Seb and become the youngest champion) is now gone and has made him instantly mature.
Now he is like a terminator. Smooth and calculating and seemingly never emotional... except in a good way like when Charles had an accident and Max asked about his condition immediately when it happened. Sweet. I am sure Max's response to booing fans in Italy would be VERY different last year to this year.
Let his reign begin.
It all started with the derogatory words "that guy"
Max never forgot Silverstone
Personally I feel like, Verstappen and Leclerc respect each other more than Verstappen and Hamilton.
As a relatively new fan started in 2020 I’m just grateful that I was able to see young generational talents in the grid right now it’s really magical,special and really exciting to watch them batteling it out this year.
Well there is also the aspect that Max last year was driving for his 1st title which was always his dream. Now that he has achieved it he said that everything else afterwards is a bonus so he seems a bit more calm (not by much though). Also Lewis is pretty ruthless on track as well which a lot of his fans overlook for some reason. Silverstone last year was a win or bust for Lewis and he kinda knew it, which lead to the breaking point of the season. In my opinion Max's driving hasn't changed by much since then.
When Max and Lewis were challenging it was like watching a boxing match. Both drivers disliked each other and the teams disliked each other too. But that’s what made it so much fun to watch! It was so toxic! it was great. The only person trying to keep the peace was Bottas. Perez would hold up Hamilton and Bottas would let Max zoom right by. That’s why Toto was always getting on Valtteri’s case all the time 🤣
Hamilton, the king of dirty driving. No wonder there are no crashes this year between max and lec
Yea especially when Max Kamikazed down the inside of Lewis in Brazil and Saudi and missed the bloody corner itself
Mercedes dominance with their jet engine means beating Lewis in a Customer Team like Redbull is like David defeating Goliath.. On the top of that Lewis's driving style is not consistent and unpredictable, sometimes he defend like a lion, sometimes he chase you down like a lion..
Whereas Lecrec have been battling with Max since Karting, although Lecrec have won 1 tournament over Max, in overall Max dominate their battle significantly.. So, not only Max and Charles knew each other very well, but Max also didn't need to think his battle is as important as David against Goliath battle
At this point Charles has already lost the mental struggle thanks to his team
Well for one, Charles doesn’t “run wide all the time”