Newmar Made A Big Change And People Are NOT Happy!
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- Опубликовано: 11 май 2024
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I don’t see the problem. Many of us with older Coaches like my Country Coach only hold 120 gallons of fuel and I’ve never thought about it or wished for more. I’d gladly take more water and black tank capacity over more diesel. 600 miles per tank of fuel is plenty for me.
We bought our 2020 KA 2 years ago and we have the 200 gal fuel tank. It was one of the reasons we bought it. Our coach was built at the end of 2019 and it has been absolutely awesome since we bought it. We had a few small issues that the previous owner could not fix because he was not handy, at all. We love our Newmar KA.
Totally disagree. I65 gallons of fuel is adequate - 200 is better - but I would much rather have additional fresh water and grey water storage. I am probably different than most KingAire owners in that we do 80+% boondocking and are seldom in campgrounds. For that reason I want water and holding tank capacity and anything in the 150 gallon or larger fuel tank is more than adequate - giving you about 1,000 miles of range.
Agree totally. Water more important 125-150 gallons of fuel is enough.
This is too bad. Price going up substantially and features being taken away. We can understand a slight price increase but this $650,000 increase is insane for a production coach. They won't learn until people stop buying them.
It’s called Bidenomics . The fuel is also costing 100% more
@@AZDESERT2024exactly! People don’t get it… when the election was ummm wellllll adjusted and nobody fought back this is what the consequences are
Thanks for Informing the people Andrew
It's all over here pretty soon folks
I remember when 1 million would get you a Prevost show coach. And I don't consider myself THAT old. No way would I pay that (or almost double) for just a production coach.
Andrew, would you take a brand new Newmar King Aire over a brand new Foretravel Presidential Realm? If you created a video to compare these two models would be a great idea.
Wow from 200 gallons to 165 gallons is a confusing change. Great job Andrew once again.
THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN WINNEBAGO BUYS NEWMAR!!!!! WE ALL KNEW THIS WAS COMING!!!!
I agree with you Andrew. It is a step in the wrong direction at Newmar. One must wonder where else they will cut corners to make share holders happy and RV consumers sadder. The incredible price increase is also to compensate for the buyout of Newmar, making the consumer pay those costs when there is no real value added to the products.
very well said
I don't think any production motorhome is worth a million dollars. Quality is not on a production line. Just my opinion. Newmar and Tiffin have gone downhill since buyout. Thanks for sharing the fuel tank change
Absolutely. My wife and I attend every RV show in our area (they're just La Mesa sales events) and the best they have is a Dutch Star, an Allegro Bus and we always leave thinking we'll never get why people love Newmar and Tiffin. I think we're just going to get an older Country Coach, Beaver, Foretravel, etc.
For the very large increase in price you would think they would move up to the K4 chassis. It has a 200 gal tank, as well as being a better stronger chassis.
Oh man, that Epic Prevost you just video'd is looking better and better! 1.6M for a PRODUCTION coach? The world has gone mad...
Thank you for bringing this to us - This is why your channel RULES!!! Only Truth on this Channel.......
Great video, Andrew, thank you! Wow, I was unaware of the fuel rank size reduction in the newer King Aire. We have a 2020 4369 Newmar Dutch Star, same exterior color as the one you walked aboard. We love this coach, the quality and reliability have been great. At times I do wish it had a bit more power when climbing long steep grades, but overall, the coach has been head and shoulders above a previous Class A we owned.
Newmar is now run by accountants and owned by public shareholders, the choices they make are for profits, not customer satisfaction. Foretravel is a production motorhome, I would challenge you in saying they are the best built production motorhome.
We are seriously considering to purchase within the next 90 days. Is Foretravel the best option?
@@leonardlassiterbey5161yes foretravel is a top notch rig!!
Our amazing 2014 King Aire had 200 gallon capacity diesel AND 140 gallons fresh water. So not only is the new King Aire models that cost over $650K more in a 3 or 4 year span they have lowered the capacity for certain people that appreciate the larger tanks including freshwater tanks. I sure wish they went to the combined black and grey like Newell and Foretravel. We will sometimes be at a track for over 10 days and run on generator and boondock and I can assure you we miss the extra fuel and freshwater capacity. We also had solar and 16 Lifeline AGM's in our King Aire and they have downsized capacity as well with 2 lithium packs standard so there is a considerable difference with weight. The reduction in batteries is already a significant weight reduction. Again, he's making a valid observation. It's good to know information for those that would think the same model would have the same basic specs and capacities not downgraded capacities over the years especially for such a huge price jump. Good job Andrew! Just wanted to let you know there already was a serious reduction in weight with capacities.
This is why I got out of the RV market because these manufacturers just keep shaving at the RVs and spending that kind of money for something that just going to keep depreciating bummer
This tank size drop is not a big issue. Most folks don't run the tanks all the way down. Traveling in the US there is never a shortage of fuel stations. 35 gallons will make more space underneath.
If i was in the market for a King Aire I’d be leaning more towards the ForeTravel.
Great video Andrew. I am shocked by the HUGE price increases 😱 over the past couple years. One more reason to keep my old Marathon.
It should be at least a option which configuration you want at the customers cost . But IMO it shouldn't be a deal breaker . That capacity/range is way more then most people can or would drive anyway. and if not it's probably a safety enhancement to need to stop more anyway
Nice video keep up the good work Andrew Steele
Newmar has been owned by Winnebago since 2019. Maybe they felt since they have done such a stellar job with Grand Design when they bought them in 2016, they should raise the price of Newmar coaches :}
If the tank filled easily at truck stop flow rates I’d be fine with 35 gallons less. My 200 gallon tank in my Foretravel Realm has a long nearly horizontal fill tube that makes me fill generally at the slowest fuel handle setting at the truck stop. It’s a pain! I think it would be cool if they would put a 20 gallon header tank in the design, and make it where you would absolutely know when you were down to that last 20 gallons of usable fuel.
35 gallons of diesel is 250 lbs on a coach with a 54,000 lbs GVWR, the lowest NCC is the 4558 floorpan at 3800 lbs, so 3550 instead if it had a 200 gallon tank. Seems ok to me, although look at the 2022 specs the NCC did go down even with the 165 gallon tanks, so the whole thing has gotten heavier for some reason, where did the weight go? Not sure if its a space issue too, fuel tank divides first bay not sure if they regained some storage space, 250 lbs seems like so little to make a difference.
Agree. The coach got heavier so Newmar did the right thing to keep the NCC in harmony with the GVWR. Additional weight is probably due to changes on the house side. I would expect the Spartan K3 to weigh the same as before but who knows. Some coaches were overloaded from the factory back in the day. I know. I own one that had recalls to address that very issue. And it's not a "production" run of the mill coach.
This was a really interesting video Andrew. I wonder where else Newmar is cutting back?
In some pretty ridiculous places, like the wiring.
Cutting back on Quality that is for sure
Great call out! Love your Truth!
105 gallons of fresh water is very limiting to begin with, let alone having only 60 gallons of black water capacity. Maybe two days worth of capacity. Now they cut nearly 200 miles of range off of the diesel tank. This really narrows the type of buyer for a coach in this price range to a pole to pole type usage. There are a lot of high end coaches out there that can do a lot more for $1.6m.
60 gallons of black water two days ?
@@jonshelton6239 I guess my point is, having to watch your total water usage in a coach with that price tag. You really shouldn’t have to rough out there in the wild.
First, Newmar only had the 200 gal. fuel tank for 3 years (2020-2022). They have more capacity today than they did in 2019. Secondly, are you saying that 60 gallons of black tank capacity will only last you two days? I guess you're stating that your full of poop? /jk😂😂😂
It’s for the lithium battery packs
I hope a Li-specific fire suppression system comes as a standard feature in the battery bay! I wonder if insurance companies will increase their rates for those employing a Li battery system...?
Our King Aire had a bigger 200 gallon fuel tank, 140 freshwater and 16 AGM's (Standard.) There are only 2 Lithium packs in the newer King Aire's.
Newmar and Entegra are the only coaches built on the K3 Spartan chassis . Fuel tank is 150 or 165 only for KingAire.
The K4 chassis is spec with a 200 gal fuel tank and only Foretravel is currently built on the K4..
Newmar didnt change there specs , Spartan did.
Yeah I knew about that as well … I just thought that Newmar was thinking about weight constraints… but I didn’t know they raised there price over $600,000. In 4 years.. that’s a 60% increase… Newmar needs to offer two full baths with that kind of price hike…. They also need to update their floor plans… the ones they have are getting stale now💯💯💯💯In order to compete with the best they have to offer more options for the customer… especially when they raises their prices 60% over 4 years…. That’s why I’m about to get me a Newell… bunk model of course💯💯Good looking out for the info… knowledge is power👍
Winnebago, who owns Newmar, is destroying Newmar just as Thor Industry, who owns Entegra, is destroying Entegra, especially their top of the line Cornerstone.
I have a 150gal tank on my Essex and stop every 3 hours or so so I could have a 50 gal tank and fuel up without a problem. Now the price increase is a big problem.
Only a matter of time before corporate bean counters screw up a family legacy
Thanks Andrew great info. But i like the Foretravel better than any of thr other products in that line.
Maybe Newmar is trying to go out of business 🤔
Perhaps just out of the King Aire business?
It's already done . No coming back from jumping the shark .
If you’re in Bradenton you need to hit up cleetus McFarland and take a tour of the toterhome and his crazy trailer/car hauler!
Just took Newmar off the list.
It will be interesting to see if the other brands follow over the next few model years as well. The industry as a whole is in deep trouble. A lot of this starts with the next generation that doesnt want to own the business and work but wants the inhertance money like they are entitled to it. Jsyco, Newmar, and Tiffen being sold should be huge indications of where we are going as a country. The industry as a whole has lied and chose to chase after fleecing the american public.
As a whole the whole industry should be looked at by Atorney Generals from accross the US and stand accountable for the trash they are producing.
That should perhaps be an option for someone who wants to add weight in addition so furniture or something vs. standard reduction. I don’t think the chassis is being overtaxed using a bigger fuel tank.
Wow, that really sucks. I probably won't sleep at all tonight. It must mean the end of the world for say .01 percent.
Ha! Now that's a good response! Made my day.
They also lowered the freshwater capacity by 35 gallons and for those of us that boondocks that is just as much a big deal!!!
I BELIEVE THAT I CAN LIVE WITH IT😂
I rather lose the fuel than holding tanks. Lose the fuel ypu have to fill up a little soomer but your on the road anyways. Now lose that much holdimg tank if ypur at a place wothout sewer ypu have to break camp 1-2 more days than normal. My opinion its more of a pain to break camp thatn fuel up more hell i dont want to ne driving straight for 8hrs straight so i never let my tank get below 1/2 to 13 tank anyways
I think you are over thinking and over complicating it. So what they dropped the tank to 165 gallons. My coach only has a 100 gallon tank and I never run less than 40% before I’m ready to stop and stretch the legs and walk the pup. Also, the King Air has a very limited number and is an outlier from the other Newmar models. Personally, I think the Essex looks far better than the King.
I prefer the Essex interiors over the KA. Fortunately they let you choose whatever you want from across their lines, in addition to whatever other changes you can dream up. I have a 2013 KA, the person that originally ordered it went with a lot of the Essex interior options so it's the best of both worlds.
Thank winnebago. They bought newmar a few years ago. They also bought grand design. Both have gone down in quality.
@RVing Andrew Steele Im a little bummed about some of the news 😕 but hey i guess thats how the ball bounces sometimes ✅️.
I think they made a big mistake. The price continues to go up but they take away fuel capacity? Makes no sense. I think they'll lose bigtime and may add it back eventually.
The past shows us that it will be too late when they attempt to rectify their mistake , they are done and have entered their death spiral . This will happen to all the manufactures soon enough , all of the motor coach industry has been artificially inflated for far too long , and they all have run out of added value to include in attempts to gain the consumers interest . We are in a very real time where people are turning away from recreational vehicles and all the work and high cost involved , folks are finding the cost of food to out weigh the need for toys . The end is very near for this industry , it will change to maybe one or two companies left only doing custom motor coaches , and at reasonable prices , or even with price caps , time will show you . I have seen with my very eyes many other industries go under the same way , it is already done .
the fuel capacity would not be a concern for me. I never drive more than say 500 miles in a day, even if i were to, i would not mind fueling up once. 165 or even 120 gallon would do me fine. thats 10+ hours of driving time, on my day off!? if you need fresh, gray and black water capacity for off grid camping, then that is where i want maximum capacity. Fuel is everywhere, dump stations are not.
I’m buying unless that 200 gal is standard….!!!!
That is a big jump in price. But i still love the Newmar products. I like the 2016 to 2017 king Aire, actually what I've been looking at. Thanks for sharing the info with us Andrew.
Interesting that people are more worried about fuel capacity versus fresh, grey or blackwater capacity.. i would much prefer to have more usable potable water, grey water and black water storage.. but thats just me... Have to give Andrew credit for the headline that made all these folks click on it (me included) looking for some earth shattering news..
I think a pound of water is a little lighter than a pound of diesel?
165 gal fuel tank wouldn’t bother me and I would not give up water tank capacity for the extra fuel
more hot air from Andrew
Maybe it was space to increase fresh water, black or gray tank size?
The freshwater tank also has also decreased by 35 gallons.
Isn't it because someone else owns Newmar now?
Well guess we’ll see if the orders go down.
Newmar's a al barsha 3 tour drive
Isn’t the bigger concern the newmar price has increased in less than 3 years by over $650,000.00 with no noticeable improvements? That’s over 70% increase in pricing. So, the fuel tank size reduction seems minor. Someone is gouging buyers!
You should check Newell price increases which have also been significant!
Would you take a Newmar over a Foretravel Andrew?
I'm pretty sure that change wasn't Newmar's choice, it was done by Spartan. I say that because the Entegra Cornerstone, which is also on the Spartan K3 chassis, changed from a 200 gallon tank at the same time. The price increase is all Newmar though...
The cornerstone has always been 150 gallons.
All this does is open the door for competition in the segment and Newmar needs to realize at that price point buyers have many options.
It’s consistent with the price of food…percentages speak for themselves regardless of the $$$
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Newmar is Winnebago. Just get used to it. Winnebago pricing is high for the Winnie products, so don’t be surprised when the Newmars are even higher. The golden age of the large diesel motorhome is ending. It’s in the twilight of their years.
I see the price and demand for used Newmar coaches is going to increase because of these changes.
Newell has raised price $600k or more over same period of time, no?
If they did, the % increase is much less. Newmar's increase is insane, more than 50%.
The thing is Newell is a customized coach builder… they use far better materials and they take pride in their product… their customer service is second to none💯💯💯 Newmar is not even in the same class as Newell…… period
The Reason is simple Inflation. You get less for more . So this maybe a good time to buy used with 200 gallons since it’s now luxury option lol 😆
35 gals not a huge difference in reality. Slightly more fuel stops but minimal rise. The price increase is just fine. Keeps me out of the market thereby saving me $$$$ ! Thanks!
Could be a bean counter decision. These types can screw up a good company in a heartbeat!
Is that a Smurf?
Sorry” never owned “ in the previous comment. Love the channel 🍀
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Definitley not worth the price increase for a production motorhome. Also, it shows that they do not hold there value as you can get a couple year old one for 500-700k
You can only drive so many hours without a break. I don't run my tank past half before I am ready to fuel up. Not because I need fuel, but dogs gotta pee. I think much ado about nothing. I would be incensed if they shrunk the water tanks of any flavor. However, I wholeheartedly agree Winnebago and Thor have not done anything to improve the brands. Just jack the prices using the pandemic as an excuse, same as the rest of the world.
They haven’t downgraded or changed the quality, they have basically left it alone with the exception of adding more safety features. For a production coach Newmar is beautiful.
Remember the King Aire was already nearly 15,000lbs lighter than most of its competition with 200 gallon fuel tanks. So the King Aire can still travel just as far, if not further, than the competition.
Huh? When was it 15k lighter? They have had around a 54k gvwr as long as I can remember.
Google shows 49k lbs for the King Aire and 63k lbs for the Newell. Even at 54k, 9,000 lbs is a huge amount of weight, especially when you consider most operators have little to no business moving these weights.
@@macbook802 Newell's competition is from Prevost converters, not Newmar. Newell's are 2.5 to 3.0 million new just like the Prevost converters. Different level of sophistication and build quality. King Aire's are top of the line production coaches competing with Foretravel.
@@DLTJR1959 that's what you are told to think. In actuality if you took a king aire and a newell, parked them outside of a mall, then asked random people with no affiliation to the industry to examine them and figure out which is better. I'm guessing it'd be a 50/50 split. And then in actuality actuality, if the two are as close as they seem in videos, and the newmar is 9,000 lbs less weight, I'd choose the lighter option every day. Plus saving a million wouldn't hurt either
Well, its back to poopin in a bag for me !
I have to disagree. 165 gallons at 6 miles to the gallon is still almost a 1000 miles not counting reserves and generator or hydronic heat usage but still easily 650 to 700 miles. I would not want to sacrifice holding tank capacities especially fresh water to go from 165 gallons of fuel to 200. Did they increase holding tank capacities or just reduce fuel capacity? The price is ridiculous for a production coach that has suffered in quality since Thor purchased them. A used bus or maybe a Newell is a smarter purchase in my opinion.
What’s really going on is that there are thousands of new millionaires from the market and many want to spend it. Thor knows this and they will sell every single one. And if 165 gallons isn’t enough you have a problem.
I would buy a foretravel before I would buy a Newmare
If people are disappointed, they don't have to buy their product. When they lose sales, it will drive change.
Only 1.6 million? I’ll take two! Not!
Good video 😊 Newmar is laid off employees so that could mean quality may go down as well taking away options winnebago owns Newmar and grand design they have frame problems we could see manufacturers and dealers go out of business 🤔🤔
The whole economy is suffering,,, laying off is a necessary evil in hard times. People that can afford a new coach will still buy a new coach. Plenty of deals on used coaches out there as well.
My Newmar Dutch Star 2023 is a piece of junk -Literally falling apart-We just had $15,000 in repairs-I will never buy another Newmar or be a Newmar cheerleader ever again 🤯🤯 The quality is non existent now and Newmar tells you to pond sand 🤯
Bidenomics baby!
Oh sure, you bet! And dinosaurs walked the earth at the same time as people, and evolution is fake news and Trump is a stable genius.
They are simply going to price themselves right out of business . Less people are interested in RV's than ever before the interest in them and all the work involved has largely dissipated , sure rich people will always want their toys , but even though I don't care for rich pigs all that much , I have to believe that they are smart enough to purchase value over flashy expensive bling that is in the process of down sizing all the amenities . R.I.P. is all I'll say .
Newmar has always raised prices. They are not worththat price
Andrew, this video shows how inexperienced you actually are when it comes to motor homing. I’m certainly disappointed with Newmar’s or Spartan’s decision here. But I would not trade water or holding capacity. It’s already too small. Imaging a week at the track or boondocking. Fuel is not the biggest problem. My allegro bus has 150 gal of fuel which gives my 1000 mile range. Way more than one would drive in a day
Have you ever driven through West Texas? Have you ever had to run a generator after a hurricane? I usually don't boondock for long periods of time, we all have different preferences.
Yes. Have done both.
Hey, like your video's. You know what does it say when NEWMAR raises prices in the quality goes down their King Aire is in the Liberty Coach price range now why would you buy a Newmar product when you can get a superior Liberty or Marathon product that's a year old you know if you're looking at production line I would look for Holiday Rambler or American coach
I'm done with Oldmar! I wouldn't pay 1 million for one.
Hey hey like all things Build Back Broker Obiden economics. Folks that can throw around this kind of cash can slap on the larger tank for diesel.
Then just buy a different coach brand
Thank you for the price jump, Biden/Kamala.
Ridiculously overpriced.
So it’s 2024 and now you’re telling us something they did in the 22 to 23 model years…
Breaking news really…
Less fuel range a big deal.you brag about the low milage on all the coaches you showcase.does anybody drive these things.?but the price increases,no wonder the rv industry is in trouble.
Not sure people that are driving these coaches drive more than 3 or 400 hundred miles a day 165 gallons is more than enough .