you'd see a larger proformance increase with a on die ram package of 2gb I think thank switching to Rdna however if they did both and had a on package 4gb they would kill most rx 5500 and gt 1050/1650 ect sales ect
@@scudsturm1 I'll keep a look out for that because an 8 cu with 2gb ram would functionally be 1/8 a rx 6800 so if a game like cs go was getting 268 frames 4k we could see 33 frames 4k or by translation 132 frames 1080p would make it a true 60fps apu for most games
BitWit did that with the InWin Chopin case, it’s a similar case to the InWin B1, about as tall as two soda cans stacked. But yeah BitWit cut the Chopin’s mesh side to fit a bigger cooler. ruclips.net/video/mf8pNTs5gjI/видео.html
11:06 I always play GTA with vsync on even though my rig is able to reach more than 60, because if you don't cap your framerate, you'll get the stupid heavy stutters in map and pause menu
Not really, it plays on low settings most of the time. My bros mini itx build has a tu100b, i7 6700 (soon to be a i5 9400f) and a 2060 mini itx. Far more perf per liter, this is more of a media pc. It's cheap but really it can't actually play things well.
@@Hateforce I did, there are builds using that case on youtube as well. Really there are far better builds. Anything with a dan case and a dedicated gpu is already winning. Onboard graphics just can't match dedicated.
If I was looking for a small form factor build, I think this setup would be something to consider. The bee hive case is definitely give it a futuristic look. Great for dorm room (if and when students go back to school. )
As an early adopter of APUs this blows my mind. No its not a beastly dedicated graphics card, but we are playing GTA V at 60 plus fps on 1080p normal settings. We have come so far from my original A8 3850.
I have an InWin A1 Plus, which I built in early February 2020. It's running nearly 24/7 with only a handful of shutdowns if I had to visit family for a day. CPU temps (stock cooler with stock paste) after running two weeks now without a shutdown or reboot, while watching RUclips and having a half dozen Firefox tabs open is fluctuating between 46C-50C with an AMD Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, and a Radeon 56000XT inside the Mini-ITX case and being about 4 feet away from the radiator and the sun shining in on the PC.
I reeeeeally wish hardware manufacturers would develop sff PCs further. I hope someday we get motherboards and chipsets that support GDDR on sticks to act as memory for imbedded graphics instead of DDR. Maybe it's impossible, but I really want to see how far we can go. What if we got full sized GPUs on the CPU with AMD's chiplet design, like their threadripper CPUs. With GDDR on the mobo... It would be insane.
could we see the same set up with a 3400g, it is a much cheaper apu ($150), with 11 Vega cores, gaming performance from 3400g vs 4750g is around 6% difference, and for the price a 3400g it is still quite compelling today, for this type of setup.
@@williamrutter3619 Yeah probably the last ones and off course you can buy them second hand. 146 dollars seems ridiculous expensive. Compare that with an 10100F ... about 100 dollars... You have some spare change for a second hand GPU that decimates any iGPU. It is not very interesting to make videos about end of line products anyway. AMD won't produce another batch so as a new product you won't see it much any more.
@@erikkarsies4851 as far as I am a aware 12nm production is continuing from AMD, the 1600 af being one the most popular CPUs for sale, there is a global shortage silicon, the 12nm process is from global foundries, not tsmc, and we all know the demand at tsmc. Apus fit nicely in small form factor builds, and use far less electric, so produce less heat, than a CPU & discrete GPU, so also make quieter builds, if maximum performance is not needed an Apu is very desirable, I have an asrock a300 desk mini with a 3400g a brilliant bit of kit, it's what I use most, even though I have a much more powerful pc, I just use that for the high end gaming/GPU intensive stuff.
@@williamrutter3619 Yeah AMD are still producing so much of the 3400g's that almost no normal store is selling them any more! The 1600 is a updated version but no match for the 10100F in price and performance. Lets hope there will be a 5x00G with a higher ipc than intel soon!
Always like your emu vids so really looking forward to this one. May I ask why you don't generally do xenia or citra? I feel like this thing would do pretty well with those.
I think I saw some vids with citra. He tests that emulator if the device have good specs (usually when he also tests cemu and rpcs3). Xenia though, I am not sure if he covers it.
I think the reason you see a HUGE difference between gaming and max load is because the built in graphics hold back the CPU cores in some titles. I think you would see more utilization of the CPU with a beefier GPU and the right game.
I love the 200W power supply, ventilation, and design. I wish it could have 10mm more clearance between the mainboard and case. So, after market coolers will not touch the case blocking the ssd drivers. Another annoying thing is the power button that is hard to find. Looks like is concealed...
@@wetdon591 each ram increase in spec increases the bandwith and reduces the latency between the cpu (and in this case, the integrated graphics as well) and the ram and also more capacity as well this will benefit the graphics chip allowing for faster loading of heavy textures allocated in ram into the game, faster access to Ram data that the gpu needs to compute heavy and intensive graphical effects, etc also if you look for benchmarks of Ryzen apus you will find that their graphical chips perform Way faster with Faster ram like for example there is a reason ETA prime went with 4000mhz ram sticks and not the cheap 2400mhz you can find everywhere altought ryzen apus dont benefit much with any ram faster than 3000 mhz but still, from 2400 to 3000 mhz there is a huge difference for ryzen graphics and when DDR5 comes along, AMD will most likely will release a new apu that is compatible with this memory and that could probably take advantage of it
Great video! This pc setup will be a great choice for people who want to get into gaming, especially at times like this, where pc hardware prices are so unreasonably high due to tariffs, shortages, and the pandemic. And of course, scalpers.
From what I have read the difference between the 4700g and 4750g is that the 4700g is multiplier unlocked and the 4750g is not unlocked. BTW that 4000 Mhz RAM you have installed made this PC run games run a bit faster than the HP M01-F1024 PC you reviewed earlier running 3200 Mhz RAM - it makes a difference for sure. The really interesting thing is the power consumption. On this PC the gaming watts used is 79 watts vs 52.2 watts on the HP.
Had the same setup a few months ago.. I bought the case, cpu and l9a from same guy off facebook. Got the 47k cooler from amazon few weeks ago. I took my 4750g out and put it inside my a300w and put my ryzen 7 2700 and gtx 1050 inside this case with my pico 160.. Slight modification but it's a nice backup to my skyreach 4 mini build and my htpc a300w build
This system could also make a great little steam machine. We are getting to the point where dedicated low power GPUs don't really make much sense anymore. I think this thing would be a good contender for some Steam OS console style gaming in the living room.
@@MrJ0mmy Seriously thanks my dood, ETA could have held off on something like this if you know what I mean, he is a great creator that will be at 10M+ someday soon ;)
11:05 no need to use that Vsync. Turn ON EnhanceSync and limit framerate to 60FPS in Radeon Setting works much better in all Games. EnhanceSync is Vsync alternative but it's taking any GPU horse power as long the game running above 40fps, it will works.
How does the CPU fan draw in air? It doesn't look like there is enough space between the fan and the top of the CPU or motherboard. It might be more effecient to place the fan on the top and blow downwards. That way the mosfets also gets some airflow.
I built a similar system a couple of days ago. 4750G with a gigabyte b550i. This CPU is insane, fckl has almost no limit, my 64gb vengeance kit maxed out at 4133mhz cl18, but fckl could go higher. Combined with a 980pro this thing is awesome. Also the integrated GPU can run at 2425mhz with a little push on the gfx voltage.
In regards with B450 and 4000 APUs, I've considered it with my asrock board, as I can easily get these chips over here. After a long research, I've found only one older document claiming ryzen 4000 support, it's been removed since, and one guy who actually tried it on a different asrock b450 board. As he put it, with the newest bios the chip worked, sort of. Can't remember which ports exactly were dead, but NVMe didn't work. Would consider a520 board for this chip though, as it can't be overclocked anyway.
Imagine having this case with a ps5 performance APU from AMD... that whould destroy the competition and stop gamers from suffering! I hope AMD make this happen soon...
I’m getting real excited to do my first pc build. I want to keep the cost fairly low and a mini/small pc. Not a huge fan of that case but it might be a good one to do my first build.
I applaud these videos like a studio audience applauds cooking shows
this made me LOL IRL
That's funny.
This case looks like a Namekian spaceship.
lol first taught was frieza new spaceship
The Kame Case
Ths NameKase
oh boy goku sure is my favourite namekian . Dragon Ball sure is a swell show
@@gabrielbujenita9872 i think you are a bit confused. Goku is saiyan, not namekian
AMD needs to stop messing around and release a Ryzen APU with RDNA graphics
Imagine if you could buy a AMD 5000x cpu at MSRP that's be Amazing
Well ... a Ryzen chip in such a case ... you could call it ps5
you'd see a larger proformance increase with a on die ram package of 2gb I think thank switching to Rdna however if they did both and had a on package 4gb they would kill most rx 5500 and gt 1050/1650 ect sales ect
they will, i think it was called Van Gogh or Raphael
@@scudsturm1 I'll keep a look out for that because an 8 cu with 2gb ram would functionally be 1/8 a rx 6800 so if a game like cs go was getting 268 frames 4k we could see 33 frames 4k or by translation 132 frames 1080p would make it a true 60fps apu for most games
I always wanted to see a hotrod PC with the heatsink sticking out like like a supercharger out of a hood of a car
BitWit did that with the InWin Chopin case, it’s a similar case to the InWin B1, about as tall as two soda cans stacked. But yeah BitWit cut the Chopin’s mesh side to fit a bigger cooler. ruclips.net/video/mf8pNTs5gjI/видео.html
Something like velocity stack ram intake with electric 12v supercharger
I nearly had to do that with the 3200g cooler. I just took the top shroud off to make it all fit.
Thats a "cool" idea. Imagine a case that looks like car. You better patent that idea.
I think you could buy fake hood scoop like the ricers use an it would fit perfectly
Had I known my interest in newer AAA games would die as quickly as it did, I would have just built this instead. Just beautiful.
11:06 I always play GTA with vsync on even though my rig is able to reach more than 60, because if you don't cap your framerate, you'll get the stupid heavy stutters in map and pause menu
And higher temps because your hardware works at 100%
I play GTA without v-sync & have never experienced the thing you mentioned
and tearing
@@sixdroid and my axe!
Delay is increased if you turn vsync onz which is default on console
Did you forget to increase the VRAM size? A few of your test games is only using 512MB~
Hey ETA, Would love to see an emulators test on this build ! 😀 P.s as a fellow RUclips Creator - I am a massive fan of your channel!
Plenty of videos with this or similar GPUs on this channel regarding emulation. HINT: It should be obvious lol
Is this the real Matto?
@@mccalejk2 I honestly dont know. It doesnt have a GPU, so what can it handle up to? Gamecube and psp no frameskip?
do you belong to the RUclips creator union?
ruclips.net/video/UMQAubgcTv8/видео.html Epic Emulation Mini ITX Build Ryzen 4750G - ETA.
if you haven't watch it yet.
Okay, this is one. Of the best mini itx builds that I've seen on youtube.
Not really, it plays on low settings most of the time. My bros mini itx build has a tu100b, i7 6700 (soon to be a i5 9400f) and a 2060 mini itx. Far more perf per liter, this is more of a media pc. It's cheap but really it can't actually play things well.
@@The123tactics I don't think you read his comment properly.
@@Hateforce I did, there are builds using that case on youtube as well. Really there are far better builds. Anything with a dan case and a dedicated gpu is already winning. Onboard graphics just can't match dedicated.
@@The123tactics he literally said "the best that HE'S seen on RUclips", Adam. So no, you didn't.
@@Hateforce Either way, he ain't lookin too hard.
I saw it and thought the case looked cool. Then I noticed it was InWin branded; all is clear now.
hm?
the panel is clear yes
If I was looking for a small form factor build, I think this setup would be something to consider. The bee hive case is definitely give it a futuristic look. Great for dorm room (if and when students go back to school. )
The future is bright with Ryzen. Hopefully towards the summer things start dropping for real.
Excellent that you include the wattage readings (from the wall socket). Thank you
Can't wait for the emulation video!
Now that GPU prices are going up and stocks are scarce, APUs are once again viable. Provided you can actually get an APU as well hahaha
*SOLD OUT*
I got this one in the video. I’m really excited because this is going to be my first ever pc build
INWIN make some great small cases. I've built a few with the Chopin case and it's a winner for APU builds.
Always love to see your mini-pc video series
I can't wait for RDNA2 based APUs. The leap in performance will be huge.
now i know ETA prime has brown hair
3:13
Lol you can see his actual face here: ruclips.net/video/AJs4T3Gy-t4/видео.html
@@tidjane2001 thanks man
That's awesome. The only moving part is the fan. Im thinking that this is the future of console gaming.
i need this in my life, thank you so much for your videos
As an early adopter of APUs this blows my mind. No its not a beastly dedicated graphics card, but we are playing GTA V at 60 plus fps on 1080p normal settings.
We have come so far from my original A8 3850.
I have an InWin A1 Plus, which I built in early February 2020. It's running nearly 24/7 with only a handful of shutdowns if I had to visit family for a day. CPU temps (stock cooler with stock paste) after running two weeks now without a shutdown or reboot, while watching RUclips and having a half dozen Firefox tabs open is fluctuating between 46C-50C with an AMD Ryzen 2700X, 32GB RAM, and a Radeon 56000XT inside the Mini-ITX case and being about 4 feet away from the radiator and the sun shining in on the PC.
Very cool.
I do miss when your videos were about stuff I could afford 🤣🤣🤣
I reeeeeally wish hardware manufacturers would develop sff PCs further. I hope someday we get motherboards and chipsets that support GDDR on sticks to act as memory for imbedded graphics instead of DDR. Maybe it's impossible, but I really want to see how far we can go. What if we got full sized GPUs on the CPU with AMD's chiplet design, like their threadripper CPUs. With GDDR on the mobo... It would be insane.
a Pro Gaming Build with Ryzen h/w works just incredible for some personal game ready computing.
Nice video. I'm a simple man and can not understand who dislikes this video. Anyway, love your reviews and guides !
If only the handheld market had this ...
What a lovely dense build.
could we see the same set up with a 3400g, it is a much cheaper apu ($150), with 11 Vega cores, gaming performance from 3400g vs 4750g is around 6% difference, and for the price a 3400g it is still quite compelling today, for this type of setup.
The 3400g seems to be almost sold out here now ? So eol
@@erikkarsies4851 there were some on AliExpress last time I looked, 146 dollars.
@@williamrutter3619 Yeah probably the last ones and off course you can buy them second hand. 146 dollars seems ridiculous expensive. Compare that with an 10100F ... about 100 dollars... You have some spare change for a second hand GPU that decimates any iGPU.
It is not very interesting to make videos about end of line products anyway. AMD won't produce another batch so as a new product you won't see it much any more.
@@erikkarsies4851 as far as I am a aware 12nm production is continuing from AMD, the 1600 af being one the most popular CPUs for sale, there is a global shortage silicon, the 12nm process is from global foundries, not tsmc, and we all know the demand at tsmc.
Apus fit nicely in small form factor builds, and use far less electric, so produce less heat, than a CPU & discrete GPU, so also make quieter builds, if maximum performance is not needed an Apu is very desirable, I have an asrock a300 desk mini with a 3400g a brilliant bit of kit, it's what I use most, even though I have a much more powerful pc, I just use that for the high end gaming/GPU intensive stuff.
@@williamrutter3619 Yeah AMD are still producing so much of the 3400g's that almost no normal store is selling them any more! The 1600 is a updated version but no match for the 10100F in price and performance. Lets hope there will be a 5x00G with a higher ipc than intel soon!
For the mainboard I would have used ASRock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3. The ability to add an eGPU is very nice to have for future upgradability.
I was waiting for this an hour ago. Thanks!
Always like your emu vids so really looking forward to this one. May I ask why you don't generally do xenia or citra? I feel like this thing would do pretty well with those.
I think I saw some vids with citra. He tests that emulator if the device have good specs (usually when he also tests cemu and rpcs3). Xenia though, I am not sure if he covers it.
"It's a kind a magic"
"It's a kind a zip-tie magic"
Hmmm.. doesn't work as well.
Lol your name makes me chuckle take my like 😂
Zip-tie magic? I only know Hentai Magic :O
hey great video! i would love it if you included a total cost in the description. thank you!
You don't see this kind of shit on ANY other channel. Love it.
This could be it! I'll be waiting on the retro video :D
I've been looking to do something like this for months this was super informative.
I've assembled a mini pc (aka SSF) with a 4650G. And then it replaced by laptop for daily work. The CPU side of these 4000x line is a beast!
I'd be watching movies and playing games all day
I think the reason you see a HUGE difference between gaming and max load is because the built in graphics hold back the CPU cores in some titles. I think you would see more utilization of the CPU with a beefier GPU and the right game.
I love the 200W power supply, ventilation, and design. I wish it could have 10mm more clearance between the mainboard and case. So, after market coolers will not touch the case blocking the ssd drivers. Another annoying thing is the power button that is hard to find. Looks like is concealed...
What about the fan? Does it sound like a jet plane? You need to start telling us how the fan sounds :(
This is actually pretty cool and awesome
yk, once ddr5 comes we might start seeing entry level gaming gpu performance out of this apus
Hope so then some of us don’t need to tortured by trying to get a GPU.
wdym how would the ddr5 ram affect perfomance of apu's?
@@wetdon591 each ram increase in spec increases the bandwith and reduces the latency between the cpu (and in this case, the integrated graphics as well) and the ram and also more capacity as well
this will benefit the graphics chip allowing for faster loading of heavy textures allocated in ram into the game, faster access to Ram data that the gpu needs to compute heavy and intensive graphical effects, etc
also if you look for benchmarks of Ryzen apus you will find that their graphical chips perform Way faster with Faster ram
like for example there is a reason ETA prime went with 4000mhz ram sticks and not the cheap 2400mhz you can find everywhere altought ryzen apus dont benefit much with any ram faster than 3000 mhz but still, from 2400 to 3000 mhz there is a huge difference for ryzen graphics
and when DDR5 comes along, AMD will most likely will release a new apu that is compatible with this memory and that could probably take advantage of it
Great video! This pc setup will be a great choice for people who want to get into gaming, especially at times like this, where pc hardware prices are so unreasonably high due to tariffs, shortages, and the pandemic. And of course, scalpers.
ty for you video is great to see more info about 4000 series
From what I have read the difference between the 4700g and 4750g is that the 4700g is multiplier unlocked and the 4750g is not unlocked. BTW that 4000 Mhz RAM you have installed made this PC run games run a bit faster than the HP M01-F1024 PC you reviewed earlier running 3200 Mhz RAM - it makes a difference for sure. The really interesting thing is the power consumption. On this PC the gaming watts used is 79 watts vs 52.2 watts on the HP.
Had the same setup a few months ago.. I bought the case, cpu and l9a from same guy off facebook. Got the 47k cooler from amazon few weeks ago. I took my 4750g out and put it inside my a300w and put my ryzen 7 2700 and gtx 1050 inside this case with my pico 160.. Slight modification but it's a nice backup to my skyreach 4 mini build and my htpc a300w build
This system could also make a great little steam machine.
We are getting to the point where dedicated low power GPUs don't really make much sense anymore. I think this thing would be a good contender for some Steam OS console style gaming in the living room.
This does Doom Eternal better than my r5 2600x and 1050 ti. Since GPUs are so pricy right now a 4750g might be a worthy upgrade
Awesome video as always. Looking forward to the emulation video.
I am always trying to make a PC with no sound yet for a smaller PC this is very cool
Really love this mini pc video!
I didn't like the case at first sight but it grew on me, I actually like it now.
The future is intergrated... no new GPU's are easy to get :]
Yay, emulation coming up! Let's see everything maxed out!
I can officially confirm that ETA Prime has hair.
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This build looks and works great! Cool stuff.
Looks like a "Flux Capacitor" when on :D
Keep in mind that 153 watts from the wall should be multiplied by .85 for "actual use" of 130 watts.
btw The 5700G is on ebay, it's a engineering sample and runs a little slow and the price is around 500 bucks. maybe you are interested
Wow , this AMD pc is very worth it for me and so cool
Love the difference in 4700g vs 4750g
I'm holding out for the Kfconsole! Lol.
same, i want mah chicken
@@giorodriguez2291 Mmm chicken. 😋😋😋
My fav inwin case is the Chopin (a bit smaller with better airflow), too sad is discontinued.
Your CSGO-fu is strong btw.
So far we have seen: ETA's hands, reflection in the glass of a mini cab, and hair... Face at 1M?
there is a interview he did back in 9 Jun 2017 that shows his face
ETA PRIME Interview (The Show That Has No Name) Episode 3
@@MrJ0mmy Seriously thanks my dood, ETA could have held off on something like this if you know what I mean, he is a great creator that will be at 10M+ someday soon ;)
Good job going with that newer Motherboard, that was a smart move.
I love my 4750G. Was planning to run it in the Inwin Chopin but went with the CM H100
Portal was my first thought too
Awesome compact build. Case looks cool. I want to build it now lol
11:05 no need to use that Vsync. Turn ON EnhanceSync and limit framerate to 60FPS in Radeon Setting works much better in all Games.
EnhanceSync is Vsync alternative but it's taking any GPU horse power as long the game running above 40fps, it will works.
Do like the case. All so looking forward to the emulation video.
Loved it!
How does the CPU fan draw in air? It doesn't look like there is enough space between the fan and the top of the CPU or motherboard. It might be more effecient to place the fan on the top and blow downwards. That way the mosfets also gets some airflow.
I think this idea warrants some testing. 👍
Air will move with only 2cm of space.
U always making me want to buy all ur builds lol, thy look nice n small to play in the living room
you love that 4k jazz test
Lol he does but it is one of the best videos for testing HDR/4k, especially if you have an OLED monitor/tv.
Plus it’s a free to use video, I wish I could show a 4K 60 movie trailer like the new Godzilla vs Kong but I don’t have any usage rights.
For many years, the world has change.
Hey ETA! I would be interested to see if you could use the empty NVME slot on the back there with those cheap eBay external GPU solutions
Super interesting, very well done! ^^
I built a similar system a couple of days ago. 4750G with a gigabyte b550i. This CPU is insane, fckl has almost no limit, my 64gb vengeance kit maxed out at 4133mhz cl18, but fckl could go higher. Combined with a 980pro this thing is awesome. Also the integrated GPU can run at 2425mhz with a little push on the gfx voltage.
I got it working on b350 , its avaiable only on asrock
I don't know if someone commented already. To have it recognized as 4750G you need to update the bios.
Love from Germany
A case mod of that to look like a Portal turret would look awesome.
I really like the case, it does look a bit like a Portal Turret. :O
Thats a great setup and case for an HTPC.
I bought this case, pretty good, I have the ryzen spire cooler with a 2400g, fits and runs great
This case is so nice.
Great looking case and nice build. Probably drilling holes in the crystal side (with a nice schema) could improve temps a lot.
Waiting on that emulation performance video 😎
Torn between this and the Chopin.
In regards with B450 and 4000 APUs, I've considered it with my asrock board, as I can easily get these chips over here. After a long research, I've found only one older document claiming ryzen 4000 support, it's been removed since, and one guy who actually tried it on a different asrock b450 board. As he put it, with the newest bios the chip worked, sort of. Can't remember which ports exactly were dead, but NVMe didn't work. Would consider a520 board for this chip though, as it can't be overclocked anyway.
Thats a perfect pc for a small child or on the go at like a hotel or smth
There is a new mesh version of this case for better temps
The amazing is that this thing gets even to work using a Ryzen.
Imagine having this case with a ps5 performance APU from AMD... that whould destroy the competition and stop gamers from suffering! I hope AMD make this happen soon...
Budget king, nothing can beat AMD in budget segment.
I’m getting real excited to do my first pc build. I want to keep the cost fairly low and a mini/small pc. Not a huge fan of that case but it might be a good one to do my first build.
You should test Cyberpunk 2077 in the city, it's way more demanding there.
Interesting case ! nice ! :-)
I love this Chanel !!!