To put things into perspective, my HP laptop that I'm still using rocks a 4th core i5, 16gb of 1600mhz ddr3 ram. It maxes out at 65W all the time JUST TO PLAY THIS RUclips VIDEO. Ten years later these AMD APU can game comfortably at 15W or lower. Progress!!
@@yorkyalmanzar8959 depends on what you expect. I want something very efficient and capable of running high speed memory. In that regard, the 8700G is very impressive. Idle is just 6-7W, which is incredible compared to chiplet Ryzens (I had a 5600X that consumed 30W just sitting at the desktop). And I dialed in some DDR5-8000, no sweat! Next plan is to delid, to drop up to 25C (according to der8auer).
In my PC I have a i7 5960X from 2014-15, 8C/16T, 64GB of RAM and a GTX 1660 Super. While my GPU is faster than this iGPU, the CPU has less than half the single core performance and even lower multicore, than this APU. My computer is inside a small house PC case (which I like but it is huge). I still wouldn't go and compare my now close to ancient system with this new one. It's not just the size difference, it's the pure CPU performance difference in favor of this build, and the cost. When I bought the parts when they were new, the CPU alone was more expensive than this small PC with all its parts together. I am still glad I have this PC as I am now poor and can't afford to buy new parts, but it is quite interesting how far ahead we went the last few years. Of course nothing compared to the 90s when I was buying a new PC every 15 minutes just to stay relevant and able to play the latest Wing Commander game lol.
@@briana.obenhaus4548 Possibly. Nothing wrong with that. I would do it too if I had companies sending me products I could test. Few years ago, on my main channel, I had a company approach me to test their brand new type C usb hub. I had no type c computer at the time. Well...I still don't as I have the same PC lol. My point is, there is nothing wrong with what he does as long as he doesn't lie about the products. If there is one thing I don't like about what he does, is how in every video he asks the viewers input on any number of things and yet he never seems to reply to anything on any video. So...that sucks.
Your build is fine as long as it suits your needs. Try overclocking, it helped out my x58 setup a lot. I'm sure a GPU upgrade would make it perform a lot better in games. I use a 1660 super and it doesn't really hold up in 1440p sadly. Probably gonna wait for some big price drops in the future with the current cards.
@@micksterminator3 I don't do overclocking. Never have, never will. That's how I am. The 1660 Super is still tolerable, though yes obviously is not the top of the line to say the least. Having a 1440p monitor isn't very helpful either. I don't see me buying even a cheap GPU in the future, the whole being poor thing, but if you can do it certain do so. Funny thing is I find the system performance more problematic with video editing than with games. Anything over 1080p is troublesome at times. It doesn't help that I use an older version of Vegas (technically Vegas Studio 17, the last proper Studio based on Vegas), which has a tendency to crash when using the GPU for the workload. Anyway, thanks for the reply.
Starfield is the worst looking, highest demand game I've ever seen. It's wild. Graphics from 2013 with demands from 2026. What is happening to Bethesda?
The simple matter of the fact is; Is it's their engine. It's basically a grandfathered engine from like 2006. They've just patchworked it for the past 2 decades nearly until " It just works ". So you've literally got code reliability from Oblivion working in every game. The funniest part is? Fallout 76 is the most stable game they have. Physics aren't tired to frame rate in that , because it's a server based game. Fallout 76 has the ability to run at uncapped frame rates on PS5 even though it's a PS4 game. Meanwhile Starfield runs like ass.
urgh, AsRock... Gamers Nexus told me if you want to buy their mobo, you gotta wait a little longer cause there's obviously a problem every time they launch a new line of mobos
You can fit any standard 80mm fan on a Wraith Stealth / Spire. Even a standard 25mm tall fan will lower the overall height, but you can use thinner 15mm fan and reduce the height even further.
I'm doing a build like this in a few days. I fricken LOVE the small form factor aspect. It just makes the computer feel interesting. I have a 12900K and 7900GRE PC right now, but I want something small that can still do what I want, which is oldschool runescape lol.
I always bought medium to high end, high end, or really high end which would cost multiple of thousands of dollars for my PC. Recently i havent felt the urge to do that anymore and have been really wanting to build APU builds, and after seeing this video you have given me a great place to start. I just love how compact they are, and call me crazy but i find it fun to tweak settings out of things to get more power out of it, especially if its "under powered". I just been finding the older i get the more focused on "efficiency" over brute power i am. I blame Valve fot making the Steam Deck, cus when i bought one i really started tinkering with it way more than my own PC that is overclocked.
Keep in mind all this APUs are still running in "handheld" mode. Were power will fall off that is supplied to the APU over time. Its a left over from these family of APUs being installed in so many PC handhelds over the past few years. Basically to stop the handhelds melting in people's hands. AMD never removed it in these new desktop APUs. So wait until AMD fixes the issue. As far as I know they are aware of the issue.
@@guyza123 Not sure if ETA ran his tests long enough, but Gamers Nexus noticed this issue when testing, I believe it's called STAPM, and cuts the package power after a while to limit skin temps. I don't think it had any specific frequency range.
I have that case with a 5600G, it's a killer office PC setup. The included PSU is really the trick because building the equivalent with separate case and PSU would be way much more and much larger too.
I’d really love it if you did a video testing several of the tiny PC’s you’ve reviewed for VR gaming. I really want to ditch my bulky desktop and switch to one of these tiny APU powered desktops, but my gaming build must support VR gaming and I can’t seem to find many people talking about running VR off these tiny machines.
When the Strix point APUs come out this will be a bad ass little machine. I am patiently waiting for these APUs to release to buiild myself a portable PC for traveling.
The case he showed isn't even 3 liters@waitwhat1320 and you can add a 960 to that case you must be an eta prime alt account or just glazing really hard
The build is about ~$1200 after tax and shipping in the US as of 2/24. For an all in one decent gamer, its actually reasonably priced, but wow has inflation taken its toll. This would have been much cheaper just a year ago.
Just finished my build with the 8700G and it was right at about $950. Used the asrock 650 itx board and the AO9 case from china was 40 bucks shipped. Seasonic 300 watt psu was $99 and id cooling is55 was $40
To any gamer consider this, please don't do this to yourself. Instead build a proper PC with a dedicated GPU. You'll thank me later. Videos like this is just a fun "what if" exercise and isn't meant to be recommendation for a mainstream consumer.
The fact that in 6 months the fastest iGPU went from the speed of a GTX 1650 to an RTX 3050 is absolutely insane. At this rate, we will be at RTX 3070/4060 Ti speed iGPUs by Core Ultra 300/Ryzen AI 400. Forcing Nvidia to release us a good 5070, or the sub $500 GPU market is gone. Especially if Intel gets their Arc 140V iGPU on Arrow Lake.
@markmontes007 There's really only 2 cons for the 8600g "not sure about the 8700g". 1. It's 16 PCIe and only 4 lanes, meanwhile the last amd 7000 series were 24 PCIe and 5 lanes, down the road when you get a good new video card you'll prob want 24 PCIe. 2. Insane people who play AAA games 6 hours in a row say the 8600g gets really hot and possible game crashes. But that's their fault bc anybody with a sane logical brain would never game over 4 hours straight on a integrated graphics card Honestly I'm half tempted to get a 8600g right now bc I just play skyrim and emulators amd waiting on elder scrolls 6. Just go to RUclips and search "24 PCIe vs 16 PCIe" It's really personal choice and how much $ you have... hardcore gamers will scream you need 24 PCIe, and that's not true
Way it used to be actually. One output for display. So more like going back in time haha. But hey for some folks honestly I'm all for this, smaller form factor with performance that's not overpriced just because of size.
I'm really excited for these new AMD APUs. Whenever it's time to build a new rig, I'd love to do a more compact design. I've still got a good 3-4 years in my current setup so hopefully they'll be pushing 1440 by then.
@@danieldelillo You are right this makes no sense at all in a desktop form factor. The only advantage a desktop PC has over other form factors is performance. And here we have low end laptop performance in a desktop chassis. If someone is so concerned with desk space, they can build a proper PC with a dGPU in a slightly larger case (there are soooo many options nowadays). It would be 10x more useful and long lasting PC than this underpowered junk.
I'm hearing a lot of negativity about this chip based on how many PCI lanes are available. My expectation is that you'd get this and setup a machine that's good for a future upgrade with a decent graphics card. People have been implying that adding a higher power card later wouldn't work because you wouldn't have the bandwidth. Is that true or could you run a 4090 with this chip and not be missing out?
The 8 PCIe lanes matter when you're going past your VRAM limit and have to use system RAM. A computer restricted to 8 PCIe lanes on a 3070, while playing Hogwarts in 4K Ultra, is going to be slower than a regular 16PCIe lanes one. But. The stutters are still going to be there, in that scenario. The experience is still going to be bad, but it's going to be less bad on 16 lanes. The 4090 doesn't suffer from these problems. It never runs out of VRAM. There's no game that can push past 24Gb of VRAM. So ... in games, it will have the same performance.
I want to see this with water-cooling, overclocking, & the fastest ram possible. I know someone just did 10,400 mhz ram with this chip, but they didn't release gaming benchmarks at that speed.
Thank you for finally remembering these form factor cases lol I actually just got back my original ISK-110 custom build lol it was an a8-7600 with a 120mm cooler master low profile heatsink I had to mod the side mesh for and also had to use a 150w pico psu lol I also integrated a usb tv tuner and an Xbox 360 controller wireless receiver all built into the isk-110 lol before the first Bluetooth Xbox controller lol along with an SSD and a 2tb ;) lol it was one heck of a build back in the day and is now basically worthless because of the fm2+ platform even though it has one heck of a motherboard still lol
The Amd fluid motion frames wont show on 3rd party FPS counter. You'll need to enable the AMD FPS counter to show the Real fps with AMD fluid motion frames. It is usually Double of what u're seeing it.
Your videos inspired me to do a Ryzen 7700 (not the X as the 3% loss isn’t worth the 75% more peak power draw) and 4060 build (over a 8700g). I’m just waiting on the case from AliExpress. Fantastic emulation machine but also 1080p ultra for the living room.
That indent on the left side is a misstep as that could be for cord control. Also the front USB and audio should be modular or honestly removed a a USB 3.1 hub can get the job done.
I love hybrid CPU and small factor PC, and 8000 ryzen gen is awesome. It happened! Cyberpunk 1080p mid preset and good FPS on APU. But isnt such builds already lost to mini-pc form factor?
@@tomkocur AMD has their next gen of APU’s coming out inside of a year called strixpoint and a Strix ‘halo’ tier with 16 CU or 40 CU depending on which chip you’re talking about. The 40 CU is for laptops and not handhelds so it might see some launch in a Minisforum style small pc.
@@alexmills1329 thank you for explanation! Mono doesn't seem like something you wouldn't be able to squeeze out of 8700G with some performance tuning and higher PPT limit. Halo, on the other hand, isn't something you'd be able to do on AM5. 40CUs, though, sound brutal - that's PS5 level, but newer architecture.
I just bought a Vivobook pro 16x core i19 18900hx rtx 4070 for $1050. Much more powerful and smaller. Get that on a side stand it blows this out of the water
@@BravoSixGoingDark I haven't buy anything yet as Ryzen 9000 are coming out soon. For now I'm using a humble laptop for work with a Ryzen 7730u to play The First Descendant and it works 🤣
@@BravoSixGoingDark I have heavy expenses during this year so I just want to save money and go for the 8700g eventually and I've research that it can also be paired with a GPU which is amazing for a distant future
@@patrol2omega In a similar situation as yours, my motherboard, MSI Z97 Gaming 5 purchased in Dec 2014, the first 2 PCIE lanes (x16 and x8) became unusable last week. Inserting a dGPU will cause freezes, crashes, no signal to monitor etc. I can only use my i7 4790k's integrated graphics HD 4600 via HDMI port on the motherboard for now.
@@BravoSixGoingDark I'm impressed with your case . If it serves any good AMD builds are amazing, as I used to have a Ryzen 5600x + RX 5700XT +32GB RAM + M2 for gaming at 1080p 144hz and I could play everything at max resolution. Today I want to save on energy consumption components as much as possible
I saw the reviews. This thing is garbage for gaming, but I love the idea of a small form factor overkill office computer. The thing I most want out of a home built office computer is longevity, and I'm betting I could get more of that out of this APU.
not too bad for a HTPC/Server that you can do light gaming on, either. And that chip's iGPu can still be useful even with an Nvidia dGPU in Linux. my 1080ti does not seem to like encoding in HVEC, which would make ALVR work well (on top of the frame boost from offloadng encoding)
64gb to 128gb best and you will see the fps go up and up / as the apu does things with ram register programs to make it emulate ddr5 or ddr6 via ddr5 raid
32 Gb seems to be the better choice here if you use oc DDR5 memory. There doesn't seem to be dual channel 16 Gb 7200 mhz DDR5 memory and 32 Gb seems to be cheaper per Gb than lower clocked 16 Gb memory! And remember the iGPU eats Gbs too
A 7840HS mini PC is also going to be a lot smaller than any ITX case. I really don't see the appeal of the 8700G outside of a novelty. If you want small, get a mini PC. If you want value, a 5600 and an RX 6600 costs about the same as the 8700G.
At first i'm very interesting with this as portable gaming but boy oh boy, even with most compact RTX 3050 the performance of this best APU is still far away to compare, at least from what i read in some of comparison web
In most of the benchmarks I've seen the whole thing drew 80-85W when in decent usage and with only a difference of 30-40W to a lower spec GPU used in a system, there I'm really asking myself if this is the winning formulae, sadly he didn't test it with the cTDP configured down to 45W...
And they said that a lot of GPU RAM would be so important in the future no matter the GPU (take a look at the amount used. It's less than my GTX 670 Signature 2's total amount of VRAM 😄)
True, although small form factors on the latest platforms have mostly demanded a premium. If I was going to go small I would at least get a case that had room for a low profile gpu because then I could slap one in 5 years from now and extend the life of the build. But there is a use case for USFF as well.
I got this same mobo with my 7800x3d, i would love to run a small case like this, but got case a little bigger, that barely can fit a trinity 4080. might do another build using a case like this and use my current case as external gpu enclosure.
It's cool the games are playable but the introduction to ray-tracing, it has changed my life lol. It's one of those upgrades that make it enjoyable and without it makes it less enjoyable. Thought about using this chip for the SFF but ray-tracing is what I need. Isn't Intel coming out with a chip that has ray-tracing?
There are dozens of mini PCs based on the 7840HS, priced around $600 for 32/1tb. Additionally, there's a bunch of thin and light laptops with the same specs for just $800. However, this PC will cost you something like $2000, with slightly better performance. Not to mention, it weighs 5-6 times more than those mini PCs or twice as much as the laptops. So, what's the point of that crammed box? If you want a gaming PC, build one with a decent GPU in a normal case. I'm sorry, but the price for that 8700g is ridiculous. The sales are gonna tank.
Case is nice but not for $175 which that is already too much for an ITX case that can't support a dedicated GPU also with everything you picked out would be well over a grand.
To put things into perspective, my HP laptop that I'm still using rocks a 4th core i5, 16gb of 1600mhz ddr3 ram. It maxes out at 65W all the time JUST TO PLAY THIS RUclips VIDEO. Ten years later these AMD APU can game comfortably at 15W or lower. Progress!!
i have the same build + GTX1050 running Linux Mint.
I wonder how much it draws from the wall...
still doesn't beat my old AMD C-60 with a 9W TDP
I thik these apus run at 65w
@@pankoza2 i bet it would be slow as fcuk lol, oh wait
my 8700g gets here today. so stoked!
Mine too! 🥳
How is it!?
@@yorkyalmanzar8959 depends on what you expect. I want something very efficient and capable of running high speed memory. In that regard, the 8700G is very impressive. Idle is just 6-7W, which is incredible compared to chiplet Ryzens (I had a 5600X that consumed 30W just sitting at the desktop). And I dialed in some DDR5-8000, no sweat! Next plan is to delid, to drop up to 25C (according to der8auer).
Finally! Been waiting for this since the 5700g video.
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me too
In my PC I have a i7 5960X from 2014-15, 8C/16T, 64GB of RAM and a GTX 1660 Super. While my GPU is faster than this iGPU, the CPU has less than half the single core performance and even lower multicore, than this APU.
My computer is inside a small house PC case (which I like but it is huge).
I still wouldn't go and compare my now close to ancient system with this new one. It's not just the size difference, it's the pure CPU performance difference in favor of this build, and the cost. When I bought the parts when they were new, the CPU alone was more expensive than this small PC with all its parts together.
I am still glad I have this PC as I am now poor and can't afford to buy new parts, but it is quite interesting how far ahead we went the last few years.
Of course nothing compared to the 90s when I was buying a new PC every 15 minutes just to stay relevant and able to play the latest Wing Commander game lol.
This guy pumps out videos for anybody that will send him a product to sling
@@briana.obenhaus4548 Possibly. Nothing wrong with that. I would do it too if I had companies sending me products I could test. Few years ago, on my main channel, I had a company approach me to test their brand new type C usb hub. I had no type c computer at the time. Well...I still don't as I have the same PC lol.
My point is, there is nothing wrong with what he does as long as he doesn't lie about the products. If there is one thing I don't like about what he does, is how in every video he asks the viewers input on any number of things and yet he never seems to reply to anything on any video. So...that sucks.
Your build is fine as long as it suits your needs. Try overclocking, it helped out my x58 setup a lot. I'm sure a GPU upgrade would make it perform a lot better in games. I use a 1660 super and it doesn't really hold up in 1440p sadly. Probably gonna wait for some big price drops in the future with the current cards.
@@micksterminator3 I don't do overclocking. Never have, never will. That's how I am. The 1660 Super is still tolerable, though yes obviously is not the top of the line to say the least. Having a 1440p monitor isn't very helpful either. I don't see me buying even a cheap GPU in the future, the whole being poor thing, but if you can do it certain do so.
Funny thing is I find the system performance more problematic with video editing than with games. Anything over 1080p is troublesome at times. It doesn't help that I use an older version of Vegas (technically Vegas Studio 17, the last proper Studio based on Vegas), which has a tendency to crash when using the GPU for the workload. Anyway, thanks for the reply.
@@TrusteftTech the 1660S is still a very capable card, just need to focus on upping the CPU and you're good to go 🤝
From Phoenix AZ. This is a perfect 1080p 100w for my summer needs. Nicely done AMD and ETA Prime.
100w? 65w tdp.
@@stephenxs8354 80-100w with load
Total 120w@@stephenxs8354
@@stephenxs8354100w minimum with stable iGPU OC usage.
I live here too. I am dreading summer. Our nice temps are going to go away quick.
It's funny because I was searching for a build like this yesterday and there weren't any on RUclips yet. Of course it would come from ETA😂
Starfield is the worst looking, highest demand game I've ever seen. It's wild. Graphics from 2013 with demands from 2026. What is happening to Bethesda?
Worst bethesda game to :(
@@SupG-oy4le im so glad i didnt buy it. D4 was my final lesson. Never will I ever buy on release again
The simple matter of the fact is; Is it's their engine.
It's basically a grandfathered engine from like 2006. They've just patchworked it for the past 2 decades nearly until " It just works ".
So you've literally got code reliability from Oblivion working in every game.
The funniest part is? Fallout 76 is the most stable game they have. Physics aren't tired to frame rate in that , because it's a server based game. Fallout 76 has the ability to run at uncapped frame rates on PS5 even though it's a PS4 game.
Meanwhile Starfield runs like ass.
You mean loading screen simulator, cause 90 percent of the game is staring at loading screens
I hope you're joking
I hope AsRock comes out with a new low cost DeskMini. That basically is the only use case for a desktop cpu like this
DeskMini, DeskMeet and Jupiter X600 barebones have all been confirmed at CES. Looking forward to a DeskMini video myself
They are coming but with a 120W PSU. Good luck with that, with a 88W APU, ram, ssd, mobo, fan, it's going to leave virtually 0 room, not good at all.
@@pranze3484 8700G is a 65W TDP.
@@pranze3484 That's bad
urgh, AsRock... Gamers Nexus told me if you want to buy their mobo, you gotta wait a little longer cause there's obviously a problem every time they launch a new line of mobos
You can fit any standard 80mm fan on a Wraith Stealth / Spire.
Even a standard 25mm tall fan will lower the overall height, but you can use thinner 15mm fan and reduce the height even further.
dude
if you told me 1080p med would have this kind of performance on cyberpunk 2 yrs ago on a APU i would call you crazy
Wait till the Strix Point 40CU parts start coming out I bet you my left kidney that Minisforum is salivating to put that thing on a 1.5L case.
anticipating highest tier vega, 990m
not sure where though 9900g would be silly like 1000$ apu 12 cores lul
unless 890m will be in like a 8800g
I'm doing a build like this in a few days. I fricken LOVE the small form factor aspect. It just makes the computer feel interesting. I have a 12900K and 7900GRE PC right now, but I want something small that can still do what I want, which is oldschool runescape lol.
I always bought medium to high end, high end, or really high end which would cost multiple of thousands of dollars for my PC.
Recently i havent felt the urge to do that anymore and have been really wanting to build APU builds, and after seeing this video you have given me a great place to start.
I just love how compact they are, and call me crazy but i find it fun to tweak settings out of things to get more power out of it, especially if its "under powered". I just been finding the older i get the more focused on "efficiency" over brute power i am.
I blame Valve fot making the Steam Deck, cus when i bought one i really started tinkering with it way more than my own PC that is overclocked.
I was thinking about this and so I'm really glad you made this video
Great content! However, one of the most important factors is the noise level. Could you please measure how silent or noisy this system runs?
Please make a video showing emulation performance, like a pc to have in your living room to play some older games.
Usually the emulation videos are next after the build videos bro just check back soon maybe next week.
Especially PS3 emulation! It can take advantage of the eight cores and AVX-512 instructions.
@@greatwavefan397 yeah man i really would like to see how it handles god of war 3
Dude thats a sick lookin little build
Keep in mind all this APUs are still running in "handheld" mode. Were power will fall off that is supplied to the APU over time. Its a left over from these family of APUs being installed in so many PC handhelds over the past few years. Basically to stop the handhelds melting in people's hands. AMD never removed it in these new desktop APUs. So wait until AMD fixes the issue. As far as I know they are aware of the issue.
hmm very interesting
@waitwhat1320 don't get too excited, its from 4200 mhz to 4600 mhz, means nothing for gaming.
@@guyza123 Not sure if ETA ran his tests long enough, but Gamers Nexus noticed this issue when testing, I believe it's called STAPM, and cuts the package power after a while to limit skin temps. I don't think it had any specific frequency range.
I have that case with a 5600G, it's a killer office PC setup. The included PSU is really the trick because building the equivalent with separate case and PSU would be way much more and much larger too.
I hope you receive a test unit for the new "coming soon" Deskmini X600 so you can try to fit this APU there!!!
I’d really love it if you did a video testing several of the tiny PC’s you’ve reviewed for VR gaming. I really want to ditch my bulky desktop and switch to one of these tiny APU powered desktops, but my gaming build must support VR gaming and I can’t seem to find many people talking about running VR off these tiny machines.
When the Strix point APUs come out this will be a bad ass little machine. I am patiently waiting for these APUs to release to buiild myself a portable PC for traveling.
Strix Halo, more like.
3:19 I was startled thinking someone was knocking on my door lol
about $1,000 system that matches a GTX 960 & I5-6600 from 2015 - and you will argue "this is so small!" but you can get a 960 and 6600 in sub 5 litres
The case he showed isn't even 3 liters@waitwhat1320 and you can add a 960 to that case you must be an eta prime alt account or just glazing really hard
I would like to see a ChimeraOS video if possible
Yes please!!! Show us ChimeraOS running on that thing
This System is Way Cool. Thank you for posting this
The build is about ~$1200 after tax and shipping in the US as of 2/24. For an all in one decent gamer, its actually reasonably priced, but wow has inflation taken its toll. This would have been much cheaper just a year ago.
does it make more sense to get a 7840hs + 32Gb 5600DDR5 + 1tb ssd at 700-900$ ish ? (minisforum UM790 Pro, Herk Orion Pro, or Beelink SER7 )
Just finished my build with the 8700G and it was right at about $950. Used the asrock 650 itx board and the AO9 case from china was 40 bucks shipped. Seasonic 300 watt psu was $99 and id cooling is55 was $40
To any gamer consider this, please don't do this to yourself. Instead build a proper PC with a dedicated GPU. You'll thank me later. Videos like this is just a fun "what if" exercise and isn't meant to be recommendation for a mainstream consumer.
The Minisforum keyboard looks good.
The fact that in 6 months the fastest iGPU went from the speed of a GTX 1650 to an RTX 3050 is absolutely insane. At this rate, we will be at RTX 3070/4060 Ti speed iGPUs by Core Ultra 300/Ryzen AI 400. Forcing Nvidia to release us a good 5070, or the sub $500 GPU market is gone. Especially if Intel gets their Arc 140V iGPU on Arrow Lake.
ETA Prime: Reviews products as an advertisements shows all the pros but never the cons or alternatives.
Wait you forgot about using all the most expensive and unnecessary parts😂
Good wholesome stuff without the ragebait other channels peddle for reaction clicks
What alternatives? The ryzen 5 8600g?
Intel has nothing competitive...
The cons are that it is an apu build...
@@gandalfthegreet May I know the cons? I'm contemplating on building a small form factor gamin pc myself. Thanks!
@markmontes007
There's really only 2 cons for the 8600g "not sure about the 8700g".
1. It's 16 PCIe and only 4 lanes, meanwhile the last amd 7000 series were 24 PCIe and 5 lanes, down the road when you get a good new video card you'll prob want 24 PCIe.
2. Insane people who play AAA games 6 hours in a row say the 8600g gets really hot and possible game crashes.
But that's their fault bc anybody with a sane logical brain would never game over 4 hours straight on a integrated graphics card
Honestly I'm half tempted to get a 8600g right now bc I just play skyrim and emulators amd waiting on elder scrolls 6.
Just go to RUclips and search "24 PCIe vs 16 PCIe"
It's really personal choice and how much $ you have... hardcore gamers will scream you need 24 PCIe, and that's not true
Only a single hdmi output on a 260$ mobo, welcome to 2024...
You have never built a computer before and it’s showing.
Way it used to be actually. One output for display. So more like going back in time haha. But hey for some folks honestly I'm all for this, smaller form factor with performance that's not overpriced just because of size.
Every HighEnd-GPU (like RTX4090) has also only one HDMI-Output…but 3 DP.
@@XiBaXha My brother's rtx 3060 have 2 HDMI ports.
DisplayPort a much more useful than HDMI. For HDMI-Out you need a 2.1 Monitor/TV, otherwise you got a terrible screentearing.
I'm really excited for these new AMD APUs. Whenever it's time to build a new rig, I'd love to do a more compact design. I've still got a good 3-4 years in my current setup so hopefully they'll be pushing 1440 by then.
Looking forward to seeing you try this processor with emulation.
Finally someone that understand the purpouse of the 8700G!
What exactly is that purpose? The GPU performance is way too similar to a mini-pc for it be meaningful IMO, but that's just me
@@danieldelillo You are right this makes no sense at all in a desktop form factor. The only advantage a desktop PC has over other form factors is performance. And here we have low end laptop performance in a desktop chassis. If someone is so concerned with desk space, they can build a proper PC with a dGPU in a slightly larger case (there are soooo many options nowadays). It would be 10x more useful and long lasting PC than this underpowered junk.
I'm hearing a lot of negativity about this chip based on how many PCI lanes are available. My expectation is that you'd get this and setup a machine that's good for a future upgrade with a decent graphics card. People have been implying that adding a higher power card later wouldn't work because you wouldn't have the bandwidth. Is that true or could you run a 4090 with this chip and not be missing out?
You don’t buy this and then a GPU. You buy a desktop CPU and a cheap GPU and upgrade later. You are limiting yourself w/ an APU
The 8 PCIe lanes matter when you're going past your VRAM limit and have to use system RAM.
A computer restricted to 8 PCIe lanes on a 3070, while playing Hogwarts in 4K Ultra, is going to be slower than a regular 16PCIe lanes one.
But. The stutters are still going to be there, in that scenario. The experience is still going to be bad, but it's going to be less bad on 16 lanes.
The 4090 doesn't suffer from these problems. It never runs out of VRAM. There's no game that can push past 24Gb of VRAM.
So ... in games, it will have the same performance.
this was exactly the build i was planning to do
Love it. Excellent video, Uncle ETA.
Almost three up when I heard the 200W psu. Please upgrade for way more performance
APUs are the future!!!
I have to wonder if they do not have the memory scaling working properly on these chips ETA. Look how little VRam usage is being reported.
The cost of such mini pc is outrageous.
Want this to upgrade from my 3400g
I want to see this with water-cooling, overclocking, & the fastest ram possible. I know someone just did 10,400 mhz ram with this chip, but they didn't release gaming benchmarks at that speed.
Such a cool little box. Chuck steam OS on it and it's basically a console.
Thank you for finally remembering these form factor cases lol I actually just got back my original ISK-110 custom build lol it was an a8-7600 with a 120mm cooler master low profile heatsink I had to mod the side mesh for and also had to use a 150w pico psu lol I also integrated a usb tv tuner and an Xbox 360 controller wireless receiver all built into the isk-110 lol before the first Bluetooth Xbox controller lol along with an SSD and a 2tb ;) lol it was one heck of a build back in the day and is now basically worthless because of the fm2+ platform even though it has one heck of a motherboard still lol
Any mini-pc with 7840HS will be 2-3 times smaller, but with the same performance. And much cheaper (like $500 only).
The Amd fluid motion frames wont show on 3rd party FPS counter.
You'll need to enable the AMD FPS counter to show the Real fps with AMD fluid motion frames.
It is usually Double of what u're seeing it.
I hope in next gen of APU for AMD , They will add Zen X C core and increase GPU performance in same level with RTX 3050
SAVING THIS BUILD
Nice! Next challenge: an ITX SFF passive (or at least silent) build.
This thing is a beast!
wish we had this case + the ability to throw a 120mm aio along with a pair of 80mm fans on the top
Your videos inspired me to do a Ryzen 7700 (not the X as the 3% loss isn’t worth the 75% more peak power draw) and 4060 build (over a 8700g). I’m just waiting on the case from AliExpress. Fantastic emulation machine but also 1080p ultra for the living room.
Is the 4060 low profile?
@@yanushkowalsky1402 they currently yes make two low profile 4060s.
That indent on the left side is a misstep as that could be for cord control. Also the front USB and audio should be modular or honestly removed a a USB 3.1 hub can get the job done.
Feels like my i5 4570 SFF with a 1050 Ti gets better performance for 25% of the price and same form factor.
The coldplate on that cooler is almost threadripper-sized. Or maybe my eyes decieve me
So sweet. Tnx for showing this. 👍
I love hybrid CPU and small factor PC, and 8000 ryzen gen is awesome. It happened! Cyberpunk 1080p mid preset and good FPS on APU. But isnt such builds already lost to mini-pc form factor?
Man strix apu’s are going to be sick if this is the baseline they are improving upon.
Strix APUs? How exactly will that work?
Asus makes motherboards or GPUs, they don't make or improve APUs.
Am I missing something here?
@@tomkocur AMD has their next gen of APU’s coming out inside of a year called strixpoint and a Strix ‘halo’ tier with 16 CU or 40 CU depending on which chip you’re talking about. The 40 CU is for laptops and not handhelds so it might see some launch in a Minisforum style small pc.
@@alexmills1329 thank you for explanation! Mono doesn't seem like something you wouldn't be able to squeeze out of 8700G with some performance tuning and higher PPT limit.
Halo, on the other hand, isn't something you'd be able to do on AM5. 40CUs, though, sound brutal - that's PS5 level, but newer architecture.
I'm gonna pick this chip this year!
I just bought a Vivobook pro 16x core i19 18900hx rtx 4070 for $1050. Much more powerful and smaller. Get that on a side stand it blows this out of the water
I really want ur AMD logo wallpaper, where can I get it?
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Would be interesting to see some undervolt + gpu overclock and ram overclock to see what kind of performance is possible.
Video starts at 2:00
I had to sell my gaming PC on January 2024 so I'm now looking for a new build and the Ryzen 7 8700g might be my go to 😃
Did you went with the Ryzen 7 8700g in the end? Did you also paired it with a dGPU?
@@BravoSixGoingDark I haven't buy anything yet as Ryzen 9000 are coming out soon.
For now I'm using a humble laptop for work with a Ryzen 7730u to play The First Descendant and it works 🤣
@@BravoSixGoingDark I have heavy expenses during this year so I just want to save money and go for the 8700g eventually and I've research that it can also be paired with a GPU which is amazing for a distant future
@@patrol2omega In a similar situation as yours, my motherboard, MSI Z97 Gaming 5 purchased in Dec 2014, the first 2 PCIE lanes (x16 and x8) became unusable last week. Inserting a dGPU will cause freezes, crashes, no signal to monitor etc. I can only use my i7 4790k's integrated graphics HD 4600 via HDMI port on the motherboard for now.
@@BravoSixGoingDark I'm impressed with your case . If it serves any good AMD builds are amazing, as I used to have a Ryzen 5600x + RX 5700XT +32GB RAM + M2 for gaming at 1080p 144hz and I could play everything at max resolution.
Today I want to save on energy consumption components as much as possible
I saw the reviews. This thing is garbage for gaming, but I love the idea of a small form factor overkill office computer.
The thing I most want out of a home built office computer is longevity, and I'm betting I could get more of that out of this APU.
Need this in a handheld.
lol no. this thing is basically a rebranded desktop ryzen 7700 non x with 780m graphics.
It’s already in handhelds. It’s the 7000 series in a desktop CPU. 7940HS has same core count and 780M GPU.
@@Bob_Smith19 whats in handhelds ? because the 7940hs is meant for laptops and mini pc.
Guess what they used in the handhelds... AMD Z1 is Zen 4, like used in the ROG Ally@@LCJammer
@@PhyrexJ well yeah they're all zen 4 chips and in the same family. the z1 extreme is pretty much a 7840u.
Is this AM 5 socket?
@ETA Prime - YOU FORGOT TO SET THE UMA FRAME BUFFER SIZE IN BIOS! YOU HAVE TO DO THIS TO GET BEST PERFORMANCE ON ANY APU !
check the VRM and mobo vrm for ram are not overheating and cycling to throttle / then the gpu on cpu die will start ai improving EVERYTHING
not too bad for a HTPC/Server that you can do light gaming on, either. And that chip's iGPu can still be useful even with an Nvidia dGPU in Linux. my 1080ti does not seem to like encoding in HVEC, which would make ALVR work well (on top of the frame boost from offloadng encoding)
Use VRR and dips below 60 aren't noticeable
PC is very very cool but the price is much like over 850€
64gb to 128gb best and you will see the fps go up and up / as the apu does things with ram register programs to make it emulate ddr5 or ddr6 via ddr5 raid
a use case for this kinda setup i can imagine is to plug into my TV
and use instead of cable Television
32 Gb seems to be the better choice here if you use oc DDR5 memory. There doesn't seem to be dual channel 16 Gb 7200 mhz DDR5 memory and 32 Gb seems to be cheaper per Gb than lower clocked 16 Gb memory! And remember the iGPU eats Gbs too
This is very tempting, but I am going to wait for the Halo Strix Point apu with 40 cu igpu.
Would love if you made a pcpartpicker list with these parts.
The 8700g is basically same as 7840hs, so go directly buy a mini pc based on 7840hs maybe a better choice.
A 7840HS mini PC is also going to be a lot smaller than any ITX case. I really don't see the appeal of the 8700G outside of a novelty. If you want small, get a mini PC. If you want value, a 5600 and an RX 6600 costs about the same as the 8700G.
Nice Video !! Can u tell me which parts u bought for that build ? I know u show them but a list would be better,to build it,too :)
At first i'm very interesting with this as portable gaming but boy oh boy, even with most compact RTX 3050 the performance of this best APU is still far away to compare, at least from what i read in some of comparison web
In most of the benchmarks I've seen the whole thing drew 80-85W when in decent usage and with only a difference of 30-40W to a lower spec GPU used in a system, there I'm really asking myself if this is the winning formulae, sadly he didn't test it with the cTDP configured down to 45W...
I've always loved this case but found it really sad that they don't have (as far as i know) a version with two slot GPU bracket :/
the prices included on the parts and some Blender LTS & newest builds tests would be cool too .. thx...
Prices change all the time and vary wildly based on region
How about a side by side comparison between the 8700G SFF build and one of the tiny 7940HS systems?
And they said that a lot of GPU RAM would be so important in the future no matter the GPU (take a look at the amount used. It's less than my GTX 670 Signature 2's total amount of VRAM 😄)
Please test the 8200mhz ram kit with this apu
Let's get real: This mini-PC costs $1,000 to put together. You can do a LOT better than this for $1,000.
True, although small form factors on the latest platforms have mostly demanded a premium. If I was going to go small I would at least get a case that had room for a low profile gpu because then I could slap one in 5 years from now and extend the life of the build. But there is a use case for USFF as well.
I would love to see how it would perform as a home server
If you want a small form factor pc for cheap, just buy an ROG Ally and a dock.
The real Office PC 2024
can not wait to see ryzen 5700g vs 8700g
I got this same mobo with my 7800x3d, i would love to run a small case like this, but got case a little bigger, that barely can fit a trinity 4080. might do another build using a case like this and use my current case as external gpu enclosure.
Niiiiiiice i love to see it in 1L form factor like lenovo tiny thinkcentre
We have Minisforum UM790 Pro or UM780 Pro.
3:17 3:45 All those taps makes me think something is going on outside my room with my headphones on.
The price of the 8700g seems more than a little steep.
The 8600g, at $100 less, seems more interesting for something like this.
try to put more vram to the igpu throught the bios
i got the tecware phantom L & i really enjoy it so i might try the phantom elite
That’s impressive!
It's cool the games are playable but the introduction to ray-tracing, it has changed my life lol. It's one of those upgrades that make it enjoyable and without it makes it less enjoyable. Thought about using this chip for the SFF but ray-tracing is what I need. Isn't Intel coming out with a chip that has ray-tracing?
There are dozens of mini PCs based on the 7840HS, priced around $600 for 32/1tb. Additionally, there's a bunch of thin and light laptops with the same specs for just $800. However, this PC will cost you something like $2000, with slightly better performance. Not to mention, it weighs 5-6 times more than those mini PCs or twice as much as the laptops. So, what's the point of that crammed box? If you want a gaming PC, build one with a decent GPU in a normal case. I'm sorry, but the price for that 8700g is ridiculous. The sales are gonna tank.
Case is nice but not for $175 which that is already too much for an ITX case that can't support a dedicated GPU also with everything you picked out would be well over a grand.