(Star Wars Ships) Epic or FAILURE? Assault Frigate Mark II Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Learn what makes the Assault Frigate Mark II so unique, but why this may have also lead to the Rebel Alliance and New Republic abandoning it. See a complete breakdown and Star Wars ship size comparison with other capital ships like the Imperial Star Destroyer, Venator, Dreadnaught class and other Star Wars ships.
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"OK we built a ship the size of a cruiser what should we classify it as?"
"The Assault Frigate Mark 2!"
"But it's not a frigate!"
"Ship classes are more of a suggestion than something we actually follow"
"Whatever I'm done"
Star Destroyers are line of battle ships, or battle ships for short. They are called Destroyers.
@@kyle857 And it has already been established that the "Destroyer" classification included ships of all sizes.
@@kyle857 They are called Star Destroyers, not because they are Torpedo Boat Destroyers, but because they are STAR destroyers. They destroy stars / star systems.
@@kennynguyen3477
They are called star destroyer because they are between 1-2 km and have a good firepower
its like the budget ran out and they panicked and cut short and attached a engine
I always thought it was an ideal rebel ship. I can't help but like the design, a dreadnought with a little bit of Mon Cal magic and advanced computer for a under staff rebellious force.
It was actually introduced in Star Wars Rebellion, a long time ago
but the game is often forgotten
This design variant was introduced in Empire at War, the Assault Frigate from Rebellion is the MK 1.
Although the assault frigates were mentioned in Heir to the Empire?
One of my favourite games. The memories you just brought back!
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof The mark 1 was yes.
On the subject of the Rendili Dreadnought. It recently became canonized thanks to a new visual encyclopedia which describes a background ship in the Rebels finale as being one.
It’s possible this and the Mark 1 are one of the ships in TROS trailer. If it is then it’s great to see it return to canon.
Yup, I thought so too. I'm surprised no SW RUclipsrs mention it in their trailer review, eventhou there's one resemble it (botton left section of the fleet scene).
@@AlexSDU It's has on twitter: twitter.com/AdmiralNick22/status/1186349220757786629
The Dreadnought-class was brought back into canon so it would make sense that the Mark 1 would come back too.
@@StuartLugsden Thanks.
I've checked the post. Didn't see anyone pointed the ship that I thought is Assault Frigate MkII.
So I circle it: imgur.com/iGbQUwb
I could be wrong though, since we only see the fleet for a brief.
But I think the 'wing' on the right is probably from other ship.
The design always reminds me of the Boris Vallejo spaceships on Fredrick Pohl book covers like “Gateway”. Not precisely the same design, I admit. I love the fact these ships have a design aesthetic which is completely unique to itself. There isn’t really anything else in Star Wars like them. They’re pretty good on the table in Armada.
Always enjoyed both mark 1 and 2 design since it brought the dreadnought further into continuity. God I miss legends.
The only issue I take with the automated functions of the ship is how expensive it would be - especially for the Rebellion. Not having to hire as many crewmen is a good thing, yes, but there is a point at which the initial cost of the ship can outweigh several years' worth in wages; a price-tag that grows exponentially the more advanced the ship becomes. Smaller automated ships make sense because of just that - they're small, they take far fewer resources to produce. Anything larger than a Corvette really needs to rely more on more traditional crewed systems, with automated *subsystems.* The AI can be relegated to minor, repetitive tasks that would otherwise bore the crew or result in numerous inefficiencies due to wasted time.
As an example from the real world, the Nimitz-Class aircraft carriers the US is fielding are heavily automated, yet they still require around 3/4 the crew of the previous classifications. The Gerald R. Ford-Class costs $6 billion US per unit - the Nimitz costs $12 billion per unit. The price of even a tiny amount of combat-effective automation can easily double the price of a large vessel - further improvements in automation may triple the price, and so on.
Very good point
Love it in SWEaW, cuz it's cheaper than the nebulon and you can produce them fast
@Cody Brock exactly XD
I'm not sure I'd call the Assault Frigate Mark II a beautiful failure. I see it as a sort of (potentially desperate) stopgap measure in order to mitigate the damage large Imperial ships could do to more important vessels in the Rebel fleet. Sort of like a tank in an MMORPG.
EDIT: Also, I just really need to state that I absolutely LOVE the Dreadnought-class Cruiser that this ship is derived from. I think the Dreadnaught could be a formidable opponent even in modern Star Wars. It just needs a bit of refitting. Modern systems, and maybe a bit of a redesign to make it more efficient.
There's just something charming about what was basically a kitbash. A flying space sea creature who will wreck your day and disappear back into the depths of space.
That automated system makes sense the rebels would invent it since they lack personnel and all
I’d imagine that there were less Mk. 2’s than Mk. 1’s and that contributed to it fading from use and memory more quickly. The Mk. 1 being an after market modification of the Dreadnought, a very old but _very_ common and effective design likely made it cheaper to produce and easier to field in large numbers. Making many Mk. 2’s from scratch was likely a costlier endeavor.
Dreadnaughts were built on basically every old republic world, add an effective after market conversion and you can basically produce them anywhere, even without any official license. No wonder it is more popular.
please make a VS series please, I'm dying to see one made by you, it's perfect for your channel as well
Anything that looks like it is from Mon Cala does well and this is a good example.
One of my favorite rebel ships. And the only reason why this ship only ever reappeared as a tabletop model is simply that star wars directors and developers like to overlook Empire at War.
Can you do a comparison of the DP-20 and the Brahotek gunship
Why not more ships than DP20 and Brahathok?
Did the Old Republic era have it's own Ion cannons and mass drivers and do they compare to the New Republic and Dark Empire?
I'd wager the MkII was built in a hurry, and even though it was good it wasn't meant to last more than a decade. Kinda like how Liberty Ships in WWII were made just strong enough to complete one or two voyages before being scrapped. It was decommissioned rapidly as the Galactic Civil War ended, more shipyards were captured or turned to the Rebels, and better and more structurally sound vessels could be acquired.
Can you do the Zann Consortium Vengeance frigate?
The keldabe was the pure mandalorian best ship
Its meh in empire at war. No ion cannons but shield boost
I found it easy to use, though i main Empire
@@TheTiberianWolf You need to guard it from bombers though, because a few good hits can take one out.
@@tl256 i know, and my thoughts are that if someone is stupid enough to send a lone assault frigate with no support, they deserve what those bombers are gonna do to it
@@TheTiberianWolfMon cals are 300 credits more and far superior. If your in galatic conquest and didn't have the tech level yet for mon cals you have to spam out corvettes to cover the assault two
@@tl256 spamming corvettes is a fundamental part of playing the Rebels
I think overall it just fits nicely into the rebel fleet. A functional ship that looks cool, I would like to see a bit more of it
I presumed that, as Mk.2 use Mon Calamari shielding, it started to enter production right about the same time Mon Calamari fully joined the Alliance, who contributed several Mon Calamari starship into Rebel service at the same time. This put the Assault Frigate Mk.II in an odd position, as it's way too big for guerilla warfare to compare to Nebulon-B (seriously, this thing is the size of Venator-class), but also not powerful enough for straight-up capital ship combat like Mon Calamari cruisers, resulting in a very limited production run, as most resources were poured toward either the bigger ships or the smaller but quicker ships.
I think ,it was not used often near the end of the war because of it mc80 being used
I always thought the mark 2 looked a lot like that spooky yuuzhan vong ship... right ?
Great video keep up the good work
You shoulddo more videos from star wars resistance show
It’s an interesting ship to be sure. I have conflicting opinions on this ship. Naturally in Empire at war, the shields if used correctly can really make it last a while. However I was always underwhelmed by its firepower...or lack of firepower. It’s not a bad ship but it never made its way into my fleets in much numbers.
As for design, it’s not bad, but my heart rests with the dreadnaught
I think the stats are good, but the design is horrible. Especially compared to the Dreadnought Heavy Cruiser that spawned this class.
I think we see the design fade away because the two things about the class that set it apart, enhanced shields and automation, can be integrated into older ship designs too with a decently extensive retrofit
Like the retrofit needed to take an old Dreadnought frame down to the keel and build a Mark I Assault Frigate.
This could also help explain the various subclasses of the Mark I we see.
Although even then, that isn't too necessary. We know that the base Dreadnought frame can also be automated fairly extensively and it likely wouldn't take much to mount the improved shields, weapons, and engines from the later classes.
Which is a good reason why we still see Dreadnoughts in service so many years later.
The older frames are like the real world B-52 or DC-3. Really good at the job they were designed for and easy enough to just pump out upgrades and variants to keep up with technology and no real need to totally replace.
How powerful are Expanded Universe Mass Drivers are they far over 200 gigatons of force like a teraton since in Forces of Corruption they do tons of damage on capital ships?
I'm pretty sure that the advantage of Mass drivers is that they either:
A) Pass through most shields.
or
B) Take advantage of the fact that most ships fire turbo-lasers so enemy ships usually have all their power into their ray shields and only limited power into their particle shields.
@@Eatmydbzballs other way around. ray shields stop energy weapons. particle shields deflect physical projectiles or space debris.
@@phoenixraider42 Thanks, fixed
I just remember spamming these in game, and all the star destroyers were like "their shields are low", press a button "we useless now". And just systematically destroying one after another.
This looks like a mon cal version of the Valor class cruiser from Star Wars the old Republic.
Just imagine how many problems could be solved if we just started measuring in dewbacks.
Is a good ship but I still prefer the mk 1 due to me having a bias for the dreadnot heavy cruiser
Also when you guys getting a discord server?
I think it fell out of favor and use due to New Mon Calamari Cruisers ( MC80-B, MC90) and the increased use of captured ISDs by the New Republic
I think most of your fans agree and you will agree that we all love Star Wars Empire At War and the mods. I like The Awakening of The Rebellion Mod. You can get a the game Star Wars Empire At War on Steam and every mod for it is free(all 1000+ mods). So if you are a Fan of Star Wars and have Steam you might want to buy Star Wars Empire at War. I think full priced it's $25.00(well worth it)but if you want to wait for a Christmas sale or Summer sale you can buy it for as low as around $5.00 or $10.00.
I think it's a great screening ship, like helping soak up fire for larger ships while able to contend with larger capital ships. The only issue is that they didn't have enough of them to make a large impact.
I like the idea, but it makes no sense that it had less firepower than the mark 1; the NR should have mass-produced both models, because a fleet of both together would’ve been scary
Actually, I saw this ship on the Thrawn trilogy comics (I dont know if It is posterior to EaW), three of these ships were destroyed by Thrawn at the beginning of the first cómic over fondor (I may be mistaked about the place)
I wish it was canon!
It can be if you consider the Expanded Universe canon not Disney's crap creation.
Thor's Hammer Screw Disney for making these ships Legends, let’s sue them!
@@jessehorn6180
In time Disney will fall.
Already the Fandom Menace have seen many victories and with Benioff and Weiss out of Star Wars and with the Rise Skywalker having negative feedback and it's budget getting bigger because of the reshoots.
We will see Disney flop and bow before the fans.
The true fans of Star Wars are taking over.
There is a ship in the episode 9 Trailer that looks like an assault frigate, perhaps it will be canon
Thor's Hammer I hope they will fall, and maybe we could take over the company. And then will fix the Star Wars universe!
My favourite thing about the mk 1, which may only be my interpretation and not supported by the lore, is that no two assault frigate mark 1’s were the same.
With the mark I there’s dufferent types, my personal favorite out of the assault frigate line is the mark I type V. All Types are rather unique with the iV, V and Vi being very distinguishable from the others.
I didn't really use it much in Empire at War. It seemed like an expensive minor upgrade to the nebulon-B. I felt the Victory class star destroyer was a better upgrade in difference to the Acclamator. Though in Thrawn's revenge I had a greater appreciation for it.
In base EaW the Mk2 can take out 2 ISD's before going down. Its a super effective vessel to protect vital assets (all tests done in Skirmish Mode)
i love this design so much. It kinda points back to the old republic aswell.
I prefer the look of the mark 1. The mark 2 should've been a totally Mon Cala ship that was part of the new class modernization project or an earlier process to replace the mark 1 in the New Republic era as a smaller but more capable design imo.
In my opinion, the effectiveness depends entirely on tactics. Perhaps some redesign could make it better, but as is? It's good enough
Think the Kandosii dreadnought was a far more attractive design. Wouldn't mind seeing this with some Mon calamari shields.
Mon Calamari had the best shields and what are the destoyers protected with?
Please do a bespin Cloud car
I like it design..im only confused by the lack of weaponry..surely with the automation it could carry alot more firepower
I'd like to think the Mk I Frigate had various subtypes as it was a scraped together builds before settling on the Mk II which is streamlined and easy to build.
Love the vids man
To be truthful at least the Rebels use old and reliable, instead of new and untested technology compare to the Empire. Still if there a better rated ship you might as well take it, but when you are spread thin you take what you can.
Anyone else like myself that would rather have The Kandosi II and their missile's/torpedo's and turbo lasers over it the combination of Ion cannons and turbo lasers? With the Missiles/Torpedo's you can shoot through shields and take down the generator. With Ion Cannons you have to wait for them to drain the shields then take the shield generators down. In battle time is survival. Like most Rebel ships the MKII Assault Frigate needed to be versatile hence why it wasn't a straight up dedicated capital ship armed to the teeth with turbo lasers, missiles/torpedo's, Ion Cannons, and Point Defense systems. So was it as much of a failure or perfect for the time it was created? For the New Republic which can make ships dedicated to straight up/out right slug fights with other capital ships The MKII Assault Frigate would be a good support/troop/cargo ship.
Hol up star destroyers are 1,598 miles tall?! 1:29
Very epic ship.
Very useful and powerful.
The mark 2 was just too expensive compared to the far cheaper and similarly efficient mark 1s
Why not do a Katana styled slave rig and reduce the crew requirements even more? You wouldn't even have to modify the hardware at all? I have to assume they did it on some ships because it would be a waste to not do it. Just don't rig the whole fleet to the same system, that is a bit too easy to exploit.
I love this ship design but you forgot to include that it made heavy use of ion cannons unlike the MK1
It is not enough to fear nothing; one must make it look easy.
Presenting the next generation dreadnought: The Sweatnought!
I get it
@@Kurayamiblack ... my Tony Stark impression is still a work in progress.
I didn't that ship during the rebel attack on kamino was an assault frigate.
2:01 that's on the other way around, the MK2 had more turbolaser cannons
@Jose Rivera yes it did, go and check that out in the wikia yourself
MetaNerdzLore think we'll see it in episode IX
Where is the mister bones video I’ve been waiting for sooooooo long☹️😟
The MK-2 Assault Frigate was impressive in appearance but other then its shields and automation I don't see much of a improvement over the MK-1. The MK-2 was a much larger target then the original dreadnought or the MK-1 assault frigate to the point that it stands out much more in the field of battle. The kind of reworking of the ships hull is likely the reason these ships fell out of use. It would take a lot of time and money to rework a ship to that point.
I would have liked to see a MK-3 assault frigate that would have been blended the two designs more cleanly and given you something the automation, Mon Cal shields and better fire power while not turning the ship into a blow fish.
Generally agree with the conclusion. The Mk 1 doesn't seem to have had any specialized components and could likely be built/refitted in any shipyard that had the capability to do so. The Mk 2 looks like it was a far more extensive rebuild than the Mk 1 and required specialized components (Mon Calmari shields) and more automation; and probably fewer shipyards that were capable of doing this level of rebuild were in the Alliance. So hypothetically if this is accurate the Mk 2 is more expensive to refit, more complicated to do so, and doesn't have that huge an improvement over the Mk 1.
The Mk 2 has better shields than the Mk 1 so is more survivable, but less weaponry. The Dreadnaught refit is less out of necessity (it's not effective compared to a normal light cruiser in it's weight class) but moreso as the Rebellion had lots and lots of Dreadnaughts. So often they would be the major front line capital ship in Rebel fleets which did not have heavy cruisers but where the Rebellion could field ships that could engage an Imperial battle line.
So after Endor when the Rebellion has many more shipyards under thier control, they also have access to more effective light cruisers so there's less need to go through the extensive refit period to produce the Mk 2, and the Mk 1 to some degree remains a mainstay just as they have a huge number of Dreadnaughts in service and they have greater capability sto upgun them.
Can you do the ghost ship from episode 2? You can also find more information about it in star wars complete locations
Which ghost ship? I have only heard of the three from Episode 6.
Hi meta nerds loved the video
Empire at war had these
I think it looks awesome
you would expect that this ship would have been a great carier with its shields....
Yeah good point
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Kriffing rebels...
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I prefer the mrk 1 more and the drednaught the most
I like it.
did you make a mk 1 video
What's the song in the background of your videos?
Called summer madness by premium beats
Damn, looks like I can't safely use one of these to transport my herd of 9,203 Dewbacks
I love this ship
Anyone notice the stats for the star destroyer at 1:37 says 1598 MILES not feet😂 big ass ship
Lol damn yeah that's a big boiiiii
Not one of your visuals showed the sized differences you were describing.
So dumb
I feel like they only gotten the first bit of the blueprints and just rolled with it ..
It looks like the SWTOR capital ship.
They probably dont use AI that much bc it could be hacked and people often times like to have a touch on things they do
I have da nebulon b from Armada
It would be a failure if the mc shields weren't installed
repulsorlift is the reason they make no sense. they dont have do. the atmospheric speed of basically all ships in star wars is subsonic.
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I will use it as a frontline ship that soaks up damage >.>
the ship looks good, but I wouldn't use it in my fleet, it needs a hanger bey
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I personally love this ship
I am repeatedly irked with Star Wars' addiction to asymmetry, exposed bridges, variable geometry (particularly when it adds nothing to the function), and thrust lines that does NOT pass through the center of mass.
This ship was a bit to bulky to fly!
"Assault frigate here"
I love the looks of this great sexy ship
Noice
They could have simply reverse engineered the MC shield generators.
Another ship I’m not a big fan of. It just looks ugly imo. Not picking up the Star Wars armada model of this