The difference is that in a SF movie you get mindreading for example through technology with made up explanations. But if the same happens with mutant powers that is totally unacceptable and "unrealistic". And the money must have been very good. Not Red Notice level but good enough.
@@dcsebastian12 he does this with every topic 😂. Idk how many times I heard him say WandaVision was the best thing marvel has put out since End Game 😂😂
The exposition dump scene should be taught in screenwriting classes as a guide on how NOT to write your characters. One of the most forced and cliche scenes I have ever seen.
You do realize it’s Zach Snyder doing his decomposition of the genre again - maybe he should make it a spoof! I think the Directors cut will probably make more sense a bit like BVS.
@@David-hc4xh So Snyder not being able to write characters in the movies he wrote himself all the time is a "decomposition of the genre"? Sounds better but has nothing to do with the truth. And the "directors cut will be better" would only be true if it was a whole different movie with a new director.
@@svenm4740 My reading of it is that, his deconstruction is actually poking fun at the genre by use of these tropes. I don’t think he gets the appeal of the superhero or sci fi genre and in his mind he probably thinks he’s exposing the flaws, but there’s no doubting the appeal of those movies when done right and hit the zeitgeist which is antithetical to what he is doing
@@David-hc4xhIf he is not getting the appeal of this kind of movies he should perhaps do a different kind of movies. It does not help that he can't do a positive character to save his live. The Boys? Sure, but someone like Shazam or Spider-Man. Not a chance. Would be edgy as hell.
Oh trust me, these folks are down bad to the point of desperation. They think this film was gonna revolutionize the science fiction genre when it didnt even budge a needle. Especially when you have other films like Dune Part II, Godzilla x Kong, and the upcoming Furiosa (all three are from his former home studio, Warner Bros) that are likely going to get more beloved and break the mainstream
Zack’s strongest films don’t need extended cuts: 300, Man of Steel, and Guardians of Gahul. Should tell you everything right there. He needs more restraints that push him to be creative within the box he’s given. He’s his best then.
They have every right in the world to call themselves a Snyder fan, and they were extremely disappointed, that doesn't mean because he recently made two new bad movies that they will join the rest of the internet and consider him the new uwe boll or some shit
@@adamcade604 I'm losing faith in him. It seems that Zack has to stop writing/producing/filming(cinematography) his films and only direct with some producer oversight not from his wife. Oh, and also tackle a smaller budget. Basically, do a M. Night career choice, who returned with Visit, then did Split & moved on to other projects. Doing Rebel Moon 3 won't fix anything. It probably will be just as bad.
And he didn’t think it was a good movie (he was even disappointed). But the dude gets enough flak for his lack of film knowledge and passion, yet he himself has acknowledged that he isn’t a real cinephile. (Remember: he’s only on camera because John wanted it.) Regardless, I’ll take Moonfall over rebel moons any day of the week
I truly wonder what Snyder must think when he sees an actually competent sci fi epic like Denis’ Dune movies. I wonder if his delusions have him thinking his movies are on that level.
Netflix just showed us that giving Zack Snyder full carte blanche to make a movie. He has no idea what the hell he’s doing. I have never been so uninspired from a movie then the rebel moon one and two.
Zach Synder and Michael Bay are both on par with each other. They both can do cool visual action stuff which is their strength but I think Bay knows what kind of films he does while Zach doesn’t.
Twitter is the last bastion for Snyder fans. Seeing a cultist on RUclips is like seeing the Imperials after the second Death Star blew up while the cultists on Twitter are like the First Order where there’s droves of them.
We are in love with the concept of the single auteur, but Zach and JJ Abrahms are proof that you can be a fantastic director but terrible at developing stories and scripts.
@@logirexbelieve me it’s not a million, it’s much less than that but they are a loud and aggressive bunch which gives the illusion of millions. I have a lot of friends and coworkers who are movie fans and have never met a single Snyder fan in real life, I’m convinced they are a terminally online group, much like those Twitter users who like to be offended.
I’m going to say it, no one else will. Those that said his JL (pre his own cut and the wave of support) those execs and those that said Whedon commented on the inherent issues with his storytelling were 💯 correct.
I... don't think "the rough story line" is a good one as you state at 22:30. First off, "the benevolent ruler gets offed and evilbadiosas take over" is a story I saw 27 000 times by now. Please NO MORE. Second off... the "I will take a classic story/movie and re-tell it in a modern setting with pew pew pew and boom boom boom" is just... after 2 decades of re makes, re boots, re imaginings, re shits; I think HUGE majority of audience's patience is literally paper thin for any more of these scams. NO you do NOT get to be called a genius for making The Seven Samurai into a Star Wars movie. Eff off. Thirdly... the whole "a small village resists AN INTERGALACTIC EMPIRE CAPABLE OF INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL" premise is the one... a severely out of touch fourth grader might come up with, and would be kindly corrected by a well meaning teacher. Because OMG the scale of stupidity on that one is just mind boggling.
I always feel bad for Djimon Hounsou. No matter the movie he always gives 100%. I didn’t like that Tarzan movie he was in but his performance almost brought me to tears he’s so good.
So what you're saying is: It's not simply bad it's "although I like Snyder's movies this movie is his worst"-kind of bad? Thanks for the warning. It means tasteful viewers would rip their eyes out, I guess.
I don't think Sophia or any of the other actors were terrible as actors, but there is only so much you can do with that writing and editing. I don't think any better acting could have carried the rest of the movie.
The battle scene with titus and the ex prince made no sense. They were beating people in an open battlefield and a few dozen soilders with guns were just watching doing nothing/ standing around in the background
What were you guys expecting? You gave zak rave praise for garbage movies ever since 300. Dont give me this crap about how awesome his dc projects where. Pretty colorful turds are still just that. Synder took the worst aspects of all the characters and put them on screen and said "cool..." The luaghable man of steel and the highly pretensious 4 hour slog that was the Justice League. And now..NOW you are surprised that Synder is turning out garbage movies when he always had? Maybe stop endorsing pretty color tured making, we might get better wrtiten movies. Stop supporting and deifying hacks like synder.
Unfortunately, people notice that he's a terrible storyteller only when he makes a movie about characters that don't have famous source materials you can draw meaning from.
Bro, you synder fandom was misplaced. I found his movies massively pretnesions. Nah, Ill pass big time on the puff pieces of Synder fandom reviews. I liked 300 but even that one was pretensious as ever. Man was laughable horrible...I couuldnt stop laughing at how stupid it was in its self fleitio. I dont know what you saw in any of that, but mkay. I mean you are suprised this movie was trashy? Good to see you are becoming aware of what a grifter he is.
I too loved man of steel, 300,army of the dead, i kinda liked bvs, and justice league. But this was oh so very bad. This does not need any more cuts trilogies or anything. Someone should smack Zach's hands everytime he does slow mode. He actually ABUSES slow mode. All that shit with the grain was soooo weird. Like wtf. I don't know how they'll greenlight another one. Idk if Snyder is in denial or what but he has to come better than this.
1:34 Actually a lot of people say it's worse. Even the RT score is much lower. Heck, it's even lower than Transformers: The Last Knight. I'm one of those people who says it's better than the first but still sucks
I don't understand. You didn't like the farming, inane backstory and absolutely terrible attempts at trying to force you to care about the 'love stories' so unbelievable.... makes ER look like romeo and juliet. The action sequences are so badly done... what the hell happened?!?!?!
I didn’t understand the purpose of the characters they recruited in the first movie, like the guy with the axe. Djimon tried his best to make this his Oscars push but even he couldn’t help it.
i didnt like the first one enuff to even be interested in the second one. but RAY made a good point... visuals matter... i have played plenty terrible games that looked pretty
I found it interesting how the peaceful farmers with the limited time of training with weapons they have never fired before what seemed like within 5 minutes were able to hit there targets with laser focused precision 😅😅
I didn't mind the first Rebel Moon. Watched it on a rainy Sunday with a hangover, and it was adequate fluff for passing the time. I say that as someone who really dislikes Zack Snyder's films as well. It wasn't a good movie though. I enjoyed it the same way I enjoyed a Roger Corman film, only with less desire to watch it again. Can't say I'm that interested in part 2, but what really puts me off is the sewer of Snyder fanboys making out that everything he touches is cinematic high art, and the "haters" are conspiring to topple him because they are not smart enough to understand his genius. That shit can get in the trash.
Snyder does his best when doing an one-for-one adaptation like 300. The film in writing standpoint was purely his own fan fick in his head. Suprised he didn't hire a script doctor
Regardless of if you like him or not I think we need to settle what Zack Snyder’s overall reception is, because people are always warring over whether or not he’s liked, but based on the reception for most of his movies I think it’s pretty clear, he’s generally disliked but has a very passionate cult following, and so no more of this “People are just being unfair to Zack Snyder” BS, look, I’m a fan of Zack Snyder, but honestly at this point guys we gotta just accept that if you’re a Zack Snyder fan you’re part of a cult following, there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just how it is, just like with Michael Bay
I think there is a problem with being in cults of personality. Hopefully with this trash movies synder has been making and bay has, these cultist can wake up and demand better writing instead of being okay with poorly written colorful turds.
You don't need to be a cultist to like Zack Snyder's films. That would mean you are incapable of critical thinking when it comes to his work. I like most of his filmography, but I think he directed four bad movies. The rest, for me, go from good to great without a single "perfect" film. I know a lot of people who feel more or less the same way about his work.
Zack only be compared to Michael Bay as a director because both are very similar directing style great at cinematography and action scene but terrible with storytelling and characters and all of their films are just very style over substance.But reception wise Zack is very close to M Night Shyamalan very mixed and most miss than hits
@@matiasdevaglia4541 I didn’t mean that as is cultists, I meant cult *following,* in the same way that movies like The Lost World have a cult following
So Snyder pitched a Star Wars movie to Disney & Lucasfilm and they rejected it. Then WB & Whedon ruined his JL & his DCEU. So his master revenge plan is to make his own Star Wars/Firefly ripoff at Netflix. Unfortunately, his revenge plan has spectacularly failed in every way. Watching both Rebel Moon movies made me appreciate the recent Star Wars content even more. Plus, Firefly is still spectacular even to this day.
Yeah: With Scargiver, Zack used up all the "benefit of the doubt" he earned from 300, Watchmen & Man of Steel IMO Using that credit, I took a chance on Child of Fire: It wasn't great but I thought Scargiver would stick the landing and redeem the burgeoning franchise SMH Part 2 made it worse 😑 Going forward, I don't think I'll see another Snyder Film w/o first seeing what the reviews are for it 💯
@@trueheart1372yeah most of his movies (including 300) feel like bad dreams you wake up from and cant wait to forget! I was flabbergasted at the potential he wasted with BvS
@@juancarloverola9212 that would explain so much, like he's only there out of pity for him lmao seriously even still now he literally brings nothing. He's definitely a few fries short of a happy meal too. I mean nice enough guy just completely useless on this show 🤣
300 was a copy and paste story, MOS was guided by Nolan and written by Goya which is why they are half decent. If he would step away from the pen he would be a success with critics, but his lack of self awareness of his shortcomings is giving NPD vibes
lol..as bad as this film was, I still wanna see the 3rd film. Snyder struggles when he’s given too much control of a project. I’d like to see him direct something that he DID NOT WRITE!!!!!
You know what will be hilarious? That somebody else directs a Rebel Moon movie and it turns into the best film of this franchise. That alone will be further proof that Zack Snyder is not a good director. 😆😆
for all the people that bach about the market stunt of NETFLIX "Release the Snyder Cuts" aint about publicity stunts, its a Directors Cuts release just like old time and its also a violent rated R version with different scenes that was shot for that version
Honestly, Titus should’ve been the main character for this movie and Part two not Kora as I do find story Kind of interesting A general of the Empire who have blood on his hands Still cares for his men and honorable (Given that he accept the independence from the Parliament on that planet.) Before being disgrace And left to die. Even though his character is a bit poorly written as well like everyone in this movie, at least I do buy his story and I do wish he was the main character for both films Plus in part two he’s clearly the leader of the group Then Kora herself!
@@kayskaht2052 Exactly like I said even though Titus is a poorly written character as well at least his character or the general idea of him is interesting pius Djimon Hounsou was actually really good in Part 2 then Part 1.
Shit was awful. It’s all subjective, I know. But just no. Even the action was horrible. The ONLY NOT ABSOLUTELY AWFUL THING, was some of the visuals were OK still shots. That’s it though.
I always think the directors must know when their film is garbage, theres no way they think stuff like this is good it must be embarrassing for them to pretend its good in interviews
To me, this is better than Part 1, but it's not a great movie at all. It was 50 minutes of exposition and rest of it was a big war scene. Hilarious review John!
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Rebel Moon Part 2 will sweep the Razzies this year
Maybe the only awards itll win too
They might be too ashamed to show it.
It’s gonna be a tight race to the bottom with Madame Web.
@@jaybling6687This film makes Madame Web look like an Oscar film
Madam web is very happy rebel moon exists
Blows my mind that Charlie Hunnam doesn't want to do superhero movies, but participated in these movies
The difference is that in a SF movie you get mindreading for example through technology with made up explanations. But if the same happens with mutant powers that is totally unacceptable and "unrealistic".
And the money must have been very good. Not Red Notice level but good enough.
“A great visual storyteller” yea the part where they went around a table verbally telling their backstories was an insanely good visual
I feel like he should just do picture books.
Let me guess, he reminds everybody at the start of the video that he loves Zack Snyder except for Sucker Punch
Lmao 😂😂😂
@@RicLaFlairI swear, every time John does a video on Snyder it feels like dejavú
😭😭 word for word called it
@@dcsebastian12 he does this with every topic 😂. Idk how many times I heard him say WandaVision was the best thing marvel has put out since End Game 😂😂
@@dcsebastian12 he definitely has a habit of reiterating his stance pretty much every time certain topics come up.
The exposition dump scene should be taught in screenwriting classes as a guide on how NOT to write your characters. One of the most forced and cliche scenes I have ever seen.
At first I thought it was a joke. I mean who can think that this was a good idea?
You do realize it’s Zach Snyder doing his decomposition of the genre again - maybe he should make it a spoof! I think the Directors cut will probably make more sense a bit like BVS.
@@David-hc4xh So Snyder not being able to write characters in the movies he wrote himself all the time is a "decomposition of the genre"? Sounds better but has nothing to do with the truth.
And the "directors cut will be better" would only be true if it was a whole different movie with a new director.
@@svenm4740 My reading of it is that, his deconstruction is actually poking fun at the genre by use of these tropes. I don’t think he gets the appeal of the superhero or sci fi genre and in his mind he probably thinks he’s exposing the flaws, but there’s no doubting the appeal of those movies when done right and hit the zeitgeist which is antithetical to what he is doing
@@David-hc4xhIf he is not getting the appeal of this kind of movies he should perhaps do a different kind of movies. It does not help that he can't do a positive character to save his live. The Boys? Sure, but someone like Shazam or Spider-Man. Not a chance. Would be edgy as hell.
I’ve never seen a fanbase force themselves to like a movie like Snyder fans do with these movies.
"I’ve never seen a fanbase force themselves to like a movie like Snyder fans do with any Snyder movie."
Fixed that for you.
Its sad to see humans stoop so low to defend trash
Oh trust me, these folks are down bad to the point of desperation. They think this film was gonna revolutionize the science fiction genre when it didnt even budge a needle. Especially when you have other films like Dune Part II, Godzilla x Kong, and the upcoming Furiosa (all three are from his former home studio, Warner Bros) that are likely going to get more beloved and break the mainstream
@@princeofallsayians1551 why my comment affect you?
You're delusional if you think GxK revolutionized the science fiction genre 💀@@rbleaks818
The Tagline on the poster: "If you have Netflix, it's an option" 😂
John: So I watched Rebel Moon 2.
Jonathan: WHY?!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What a great way to start the video.
I'ma say why we all thinking...Snyder should just be a director of cinematography and leave the directing for a real competent person
yeah i have hated the story in ever snyder film including 300 but actions usally good
He definitely should give up writing
His biggest strength has always been visuals. He knows how to do a really good visual in his own movies
I think Rebel moon is a very interesting movie not because it is good, but rather because how bad it is and why. Maybe I am wierd.
Snyder hasn’t Snydered this Snyder since the last Snyder 2 Snyders ago.
Zack Snyder would make a really good Wheat Thins commerical.
Zack’s strongest films don’t need extended cuts: 300, Man of Steel, and Guardians of Gahul. Should tell you everything right there. He needs more restraints that push him to be creative within the box he’s given. He’s his best then.
You forgot his Dawn of the Dead remake. It’s one of his best, if not the best for a lot of people.
@@juanluismendoza8655 that’s my favorite Synder Movie! Loved Dawn of the Dead. That, 300 and Watchmen
i hate how everyone prefaces their videos with 'I am a fan of Zack Snyder.'
They have every right in the world to call themselves a Snyder fan, and they were extremely disappointed, that doesn't mean because he recently made two new bad movies that they will join the rest of the internet and consider him the new uwe boll or some shit
@@adamcade604
I'm losing faith in him.
It seems that Zack has to stop writing/producing/filming(cinematography) his films and only direct with some producer oversight not from his wife. Oh, and also tackle a smaller budget.
Basically, do a M. Night career choice, who returned with Visit, then did Split & moved on to other projects.
Doing Rebel Moon 3 won't fix anything. It probably will be just as bad.
@@adamcade604It’s too shield themselves from the rabid cult
they can fold space but can’t grow crops on their massive ship..don’t you think it would be critical to produce food while in deep space exploration??
Lol you don’t have to go that far.
This is a sci-fi world and they sill harvest wheat by hand
Zack Snyder is the greatest jpeg director of all time.
Ray’s most anticipated movie one year was Moonfall, that should tell you all you need to know about Ray’s taste 😂
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Tbh i liked moonfall
moonfall is its so bad its good and its not pretentious like Snyder films LOL
And he didn’t think it was a good movie (he was even disappointed). But the dude gets enough flak for his lack of film knowledge and passion, yet he himself has acknowledged that he isn’t a real cinephile. (Remember: he’s only on camera because John wanted it.) Regardless, I’ll take Moonfall over rebel moons any day of the week
Just to be VERY CLEAR JOHN, The Rise of Skywalker is no longer the worst Star Wars movie, that title now belongs to "Rebel Moon Part 2" - 😂
I truly wonder what Snyder must think when he sees an actually competent sci fi epic like Denis’ Dune movies. I wonder if his delusions have him thinking his movies are on that level.
I bet he does
Delusions of adequacy.
He would think its too colourful
"It would have been better with more wheat".
Give Chris Nolan complete creative freedom: he makes Oppenheimer. Give Snyder complete creative freedom and he makes....
Tbf, he also made Tenet.
But yeah, Snyder is in a slump now
Netflix just showed us that giving Zack Snyder full carte blanche to make a movie. He has no idea what the hell he’s doing. I have never been so uninspired from a movie then the rebel moon one and two.
the more control he has over the film the worse the film is.
I don’t understand why he has such a large fan base. Snyder makes michael bay look like spielberg
Zach Synder and Michael Bay are both on par with each other. They both can do cool visual action stuff which is their strength but I think Bay knows what kind of films he does while Zach doesn’t.
Snyder fandom going on a raging spree and calling everybody haters and continue to victimize themselves as everyone is "mean" to them
As everyone should be.
Twitter is the last bastion for Snyder fans. Seeing a cultist on RUclips is like seeing the Imperials after the second Death Star blew up while the cultists on Twitter are like the First Order where there’s droves of them.
Rebel Moon part two is absolutely atrocious
This just proves Snyder can’t write, not all directors should be writers. Love your guys attempt to be positive but this film doesn’t deserve it.
We are in love with the concept of the single auteur, but Zach and JJ Abrahms are proof that you can be a fantastic director but terrible at developing stories and scripts.
The exposition dump was actually painful to sit through.
That scene should be taught in screenwriting classes on what NOT to do when writing your characters.
I honestly started laughing when one of the characters finished their story and one of the other characters had a tear in his eye 😂
@@NUFC_Adamahhahahahha YEAH same
The first rule of doing exposition is...
Don't.
I've been looking forward to your review of this John. The film is just a bit of a shit show. It's beyond dull.
@@logirexbelieve me it’s not a million, it’s much less than that but they are a loud and aggressive bunch which gives the illusion of millions. I have a lot of friends and coworkers who are movie fans and have never met a single Snyder fan in real life, I’m convinced they are a terminally online group, much like those Twitter users who like to be offended.
I’m going to say it, no one else will. Those that said his JL (pre his own cut and the wave of support) those execs and those that said Whedon commented on the inherent issues with his storytelling were 💯 correct.
I... don't think "the rough story line" is a good one as you state at 22:30. First off, "the benevolent ruler gets offed and evilbadiosas take over" is a story I saw 27 000 times by now. Please NO MORE.
Second off... the "I will take a classic story/movie and re-tell it in a modern setting with pew pew pew and boom boom boom" is just... after 2 decades of re makes, re boots, re imaginings, re shits; I think HUGE majority of audience's patience is literally paper thin for any more of these scams. NO you do NOT get to be called a genius for making The Seven Samurai into a Star Wars movie. Eff off. Thirdly... the whole "a small village resists AN INTERGALACTIC EMPIRE CAPABLE OF INTERSTELLAR TRAVEL" premise is the one... a severely out of touch fourth grader might come up with, and would be kindly corrected by a well meaning teacher. Because OMG the scale of stupidity on that one is just mind boggling.
John's intro speech here wasn't too far from the John Goodman speech in Revenge Of The Nerds "..And you just got your ass whipped by Madame Web..."
I always feel bad for Djimon Hounsou. No matter the movie he always gives 100%. I didn’t like that Tarzan movie he was in but his performance almost brought me to tears he’s so good.
Now that I think of it, you are right
So you guys are saying it’s not as good as Dune part 2???
So what you're saying is:
It's not simply bad it's "although I like Snyder's movies this movie is his worst"-kind of bad?
Thanks for the warning. It means tasteful viewers would rip their eyes out, I guess.
This review is more entertaining than both rebel 1 and 2 ha ha ha ha "i dont care about spoilers"
I don't think Sophia or any of the other actors were terrible as actors, but there is only so much you can do with that writing and editing. I don't think any better acting could have carried the rest of the movie.
Any reason Kris hasn’t been on the show lately? Definitely could’ve missed it if there’s a reason why.
New to the channel. Awesome panel!
Rob's quick zingers during this review got a laugh out of me every time. "Dude...", "on your eternal soul", "is there one?". I'm cackling 💀
So um, are we not gonna get a review of SHOGUN???
Idk y but I love it when John actually hates a movie. It’s the funniest thing ever. I love it so much.
He was given to much control. He needs writers and editors. Then he needs to trust in them. To have his vision realized
Should I watched rebel moon 2
The battle scene with titus and the ex prince made no sense. They were beating people in an open battlefield and a few dozen soilders with guns were just watching doing nothing/ standing around in the background
You just reminded me how much Zack Snyder sucks as a director with all those movies.
What were you guys expecting? You gave zak rave praise for garbage movies ever since 300. Dont give me this crap about how awesome his dc projects where. Pretty colorful turds are still just that. Synder took the worst aspects of all the characters and put them on screen and said "cool..." The luaghable man of steel and the highly pretensious 4 hour slog that was the Justice League. And now..NOW you are surprised that Synder is turning out garbage movies when he always had? Maybe stop endorsing pretty color tured making, we might get better wrtiten movies. Stop supporting and deifying hacks like synder.
Unfortunately, people notice that he's a terrible storyteller only when he makes a movie about characters that don't have famous source materials you can draw meaning from.
Snyder’s ego has been inflated so much by the Justice League and his talent as suffered as a result.
His talent was already questionable. He screwed up a combo Batman and Superman film
It was all down hill with his depression Superman.
Bro, you synder fandom was misplaced. I found his movies massively pretnesions. Nah, Ill pass big time on the puff pieces of Synder fandom reviews. I liked 300 but even that one was pretensious as ever. Man was laughable horrible...I couuldnt stop laughing at how stupid it was in its self fleitio. I dont know what you saw in any of that, but mkay. I mean you are suprised this movie was trashy? Good to see you are becoming aware of what a grifter he is.
Ha ha ha ha leave the princess where ever she it ...OMG I'm dying 😂😂😂😂😂
I'm with Ray with this I think the action was good and it was something to watch. I would probably watch a 3rd one if they make it.
Snyder isn't a good writer, all the films that were good or enjoyable he didn't write.
I don't think the director's cut will save it unless they overhaul the story and dialogue
Only Zack and his fanbase think that.
The rest of the world do not
I too loved man of steel, 300,army of the dead, i kinda liked bvs, and justice league. But this was oh so very bad. This does not need any more cuts trilogies or anything. Someone should smack Zach's hands everytime he does slow mode. He actually ABUSES slow mode. All that shit with the grain was soooo weird. Like wtf. I don't know how they'll greenlight another one. Idk if Snyder is in denial or what but he has to come better than this.
1:34 Actually a lot of people say it's worse. Even the RT score is much lower. Heck, it's even lower than Transformers: The Last Knight. I'm one of those people who says it's better than the first but still sucks
I don't understand. You didn't like the farming, inane backstory and absolutely terrible attempts at trying to force you to care about the 'love stories' so unbelievable.... makes ER look like romeo and juliet. The action sequences are so badly done... what the hell happened?!?!?!
I didn’t understand the purpose of the characters they recruited in the first movie, like the guy with the axe. Djimon tried his best to make this his Oscars push but even he couldn’t help it.
I really liked it!
I will watch Rebel Moon 3 because just to confirm the big reveal. It's the WHEAT. The WHEAT secretly controlling everybody.
Yes, the special wheat is like the spice that gives you power.
Wow. I’m so shocked. Another Zack Snyder movie being absolute garbage. I’m surprised by that one.
i didnt like the first one enuff to even be interested in the second one. but RAY made a good point... visuals matter... i have played plenty terrible games that looked pretty
BUT this didn't even look pretty. It was samey generic stuff people have seen before in sepia colored mud.
I found it interesting how the peaceful farmers with the limited time of training with weapons they have never fired before what seemed like within 5 minutes were able to hit there targets with laser focused precision 😅😅
Army of the dead was abysmal
I think I started the first 5 minutes but gave up because the shallow depth of field was so extreme that it was almost nauseating to look at lol
please fix John's camera focus.
I didn't mind the first Rebel Moon. Watched it on a rainy Sunday with a hangover, and it was adequate fluff for passing the time. I say that as someone who really dislikes Zack Snyder's films as well. It wasn't a good movie though. I enjoyed it the same way I enjoyed a Roger Corman film, only with less desire to watch it again.
Can't say I'm that interested in part 2, but what really puts me off is the sewer of Snyder fanboys making out that everything he touches is cinematic high art, and the "haters" are conspiring to topple him because they are not smart enough to understand his genius.
That shit can get in the trash.
Liked it more than the first one
Snyder does his best when doing an one-for-one adaptation like 300.
The film in writing standpoint was purely his own fan fick in his head. Suprised he didn't hire a script doctor
the main problem with Rebel Moon is that you're all watching it on mute at x2 speed.
What makes you think that?
Regardless of if you like him or not I think we need to settle what Zack Snyder’s overall reception is, because people are always warring over whether or not he’s liked, but based on the reception for most of his movies I think it’s pretty clear, he’s generally disliked but has a very passionate cult following, and so no more of this “People are just being unfair to Zack Snyder” BS, look, I’m a fan of Zack Snyder, but honestly at this point guys we gotta just accept that if you’re a Zack Snyder fan you’re part of a cult following, there’s nothing wrong with that, it’s just how it is, just like with Michael Bay
I think there is a problem with being in cults of personality. Hopefully with this trash movies synder has been making and bay has, these cultist can wake up and demand better writing instead of being okay with poorly written colorful turds.
You don't need to be a cultist to like Zack Snyder's films. That would mean you are incapable of critical thinking when it comes to his work. I like most of his filmography, but I think he directed four bad movies. The rest, for me, go from good to great without a single "perfect" film. I know a lot of people who feel more or less the same way about his work.
Zack only be compared to Michael Bay as a director because both are very similar directing style great at cinematography and action scene but terrible with storytelling and characters and all of their films are just very style over substance.But reception wise Zack is very close to M Night Shyamalan very mixed and most miss than hits
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I didn’t mean that as is cultists, I meant cult *following,* in the same way that movies like The Lost World have a cult following
I actually I liked it a little better then Part 1. At least the second half was entertaining
So Snyder pitched a Star Wars movie to Disney & Lucasfilm and they rejected it. Then WB & Whedon ruined his JL & his DCEU. So his master revenge plan is to make his own Star Wars/Firefly ripoff at Netflix. Unfortunately, his revenge plan has spectacularly failed in every way.
Watching both Rebel Moon movies made me appreciate the recent Star Wars content even more. Plus, Firefly is still spectacular even to this day.
The first hour of part 2 was dull patience testing bollocks
Yeah: With Scargiver, Zack used up all the "benefit of the doubt" he earned from 300, Watchmen & Man of Steel IMO
Using that credit, I took a chance on Child of Fire: It wasn't great but I thought Scargiver would stick the landing and redeem the burgeoning franchise SMH Part 2 made it worse 😑
Going forward, I don't think I'll see another Snyder Film w/o first seeing what the reviews are for it 💯
i dont think i have liked the story in any snyder movie including 300
@@trueheart1372yeah most of his movies (including 300) feel like bad dreams you wake up from and cant wait to forget!
I was flabbergasted at the potential he wasted with BvS
I actually really enjoyed Sucker Punch lmao.
I liked the music and the second half.
I can't believe ya'll were expecting so much from this guy.
Tbh you're really doing an excellent job of selling me this movie. A film that bad is an event you just can't miss. I'm pumped.
Snyder should be one of those guys using Photoshop to make custom posters of other people's movies with dim, tinted colours
Ok i have to ask. What is the point of this guy Ray Ora being on this show? He literally brings NOTHING to ANY conversation 🤣
I think he is johns wife brother😂😂😂😂
@@juancarloverola9212 that would explain so much, like he's only there out of pity for him lmao seriously even still now he literally brings nothing. He's definitely a few fries short of a happy meal too. I mean nice enough guy just completely useless on this show 🤣
Why😮
Rebel moon is a movie?
300 was epic
Yes, as was Watchmen, but both were nearly shot-for-shot adaptations of graphic novels.
Starcrash and the giant mechanical hand in space… Amazing.
300 and MoS are looking more and more like flukes.
And those were divisive movies
300 was a copy and paste story, MOS was guided by Nolan and written by Goya which is why they are half decent. If he would step away from the pen he would be a success with critics, but his lack of self awareness of his shortcomings is giving NPD vibes
@@martymarl4602 Yup won’t argue with that, clearly ZS needs someone to write him a script and just get him to direct.
@@alexcosta2614 True indeed, but they weren’t written by him which I just found out. Which now makes sense.
You forgot his Dawn of the Dead remake.
Liking bvs and justice league says everything I need to know
lol..as bad as this film was, I still wanna see the 3rd film. Snyder struggles when he’s given too much control of a project. I’d like to see him direct something that he DID NOT WRITE!!!!!
You know what will be hilarious? That somebody else directs a Rebel Moon movie and it turns into the best film of this franchise. That alone will be further proof that Zack Snyder is not a good director. 😆😆
He even struggles with source material, for sure he will struggle more with original IPs haha
@@natemarco8318 300 was great & Watchman was as well. But that was before he was given a green light to be himself.
this guy is on a path to career killer
But HEY!! There is Dollar store Furiosa.
You got that from the Angryjoeshow didn't you?
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ZACK….GET A BETTER SCREENWRITER
Or DON'T BE A SCREENWRITER
@@amateursoundtracker8877 Or don't be a director.
for all the people that bach about the market stunt of NETFLIX "Release the Snyder Cuts" aint about publicity stunts, its a Directors Cuts release just like old time and its also a violent rated R version with different scenes that was shot for that version
I knew Ray would like it.
Honestly, Titus should’ve been the main character for this movie and Part two not Kora as I do find story Kind of interesting A general of the Empire who have blood on his hands Still cares for his men and honorable (Given that he accept the independence from the Parliament on that planet.) Before being disgrace And left to die. Even though his character is a bit poorly written as well like everyone in this movie, at least I do buy his story and I do wish he was the main character for both films Plus in part two he’s clearly the leader of the group Then Kora herself!
I agree with you!!! 🎯🎯🎯🎯
@@kayskaht2052 Exactly like I said even though Titus is a poorly written character as well at least his character or the general idea of him is interesting pius Djimon Hounsou was actually really good in Part 2 then Part 1.
300 is a much better movie that Man of Steel
Shit was awful. It’s all subjective, I know. But just no. Even the action was horrible. The ONLY NOT ABSOLUTELY AWFUL THING, was some of the visuals were OK still shots. That’s it though.
I always think the directors must know when their film is garbage, theres no way they think stuff like this is good it must be embarrassing for them to pretend its good in interviews
I think it was Tiesto not Testio
MoS is atrocious. It completely deviates of what Superman is
Yeah Man of Steel is horrible. I put that shit on with fellow comic lovers to laugh at how horrendously he missed the mark on the Superman
To me, this is better than Part 1, but it's not a great movie at all. It was 50 minutes of exposition and rest of it was a big war scene. Hilarious review John!
So this film will make great stock footage foe a Fan Music Video.
”You could chose to stop it” - have some god damn standards and turn it off so they stop doing them for gods sake!
That has been my stance for years
Rebel Moon is two halves of the same book if that book happens to be "Everybody Poops"
Still belive in synder? Im gonna let you know you will be disapointed.