This is my first time diving deep into a plot breakdown so I tried to make notes after my 3rd viewing to remember most details and discuss the plot in the correct order. The images used are all from trailers and promo shots. 00:00 - Logo 00:08 - Intro 00:43 - Plot Breakdown 34:49 - Positives 36:31 - Negatives 38:27 - Final Thoughts
About the viper wolves Jake did wander into their nest at night all alone so they probably felt that they was being attacked and also they have night vision and home field advantage so who wouldn’t try attack. But I don’t think there would be many Thanators left in the hallelujah mountains after the war especially after what Quaritch did to that one
38:43 I would love to see you do a comparison video between the first and the second film and further elaborate on what you think was done better between the two.
Yeah, but I feel that was going too far. She was even close to actually killing the human boy. That was very scary. Hell wouldn't blame Spider if he ends up betraying them in the sequel.
@@RedWolf777SG While I agree, you do need to keep in mind that Neytiri just lost her son and pretty much everything to Quaritch. That rage was dormant for a while. She wanted Quaritch to suffer the same loss as she did when she lost her son
@@kaylabennett5897 no, no. I don't doubt that or blame her for it. She had every right to act that way. But that one scene where Spider witness her killing a man and seeing that ferocious look in her eyes and face. I would be considered for my safety if I was in his place. Especially considering she's haven't really been too keen on humans because of their past history and then some.
Neytiri's scream/cry after she realize that her son died. DAM. TOO REAL! Zoe Saldaña's performance was so incredible! Emotional! Though I agree, Neytiri was side-lined a bit. Though this movie morally focused on fatherhood, I also want to know what it is like from Neytiri's point of view, what it is like being a mother! I agree some parts did feel rushed, would love to see Jake and Neytiri being parents more! IM SURE THERE IS A 4 HOUR CUT SOMEWHERE!
I sincerely hope Zoe gets nominated for this performance. An absolute masterclass even though some say she was sidelined. So much emotion, so much feeling. Such mastery! 💙👏
Enjoy performances like hers while you can because at some point CGI will be so damned advanced that the computers will literally be creating people for the screen and human actors won't be needed anymore (or will be LESS needed).
You know what I was expecting? Remember how that Yellow liquid from the whale like creatures seems to have "magical" properties, making any human rich enough to keep buying it virtually immortal? I thought that whale creature was going to use that substance to revive or resurrect him in some way.
Neteyam protected Lo’ak sooo many times this movie, he also protected his other siblings he even saved his own mother too he slightly might have actually been the perfect son.
Jake was a bit too military in his parenting: by treating his kids like squad members with roles, he gave Neteyam a complex where he _has_ to save the family even at his own expense, and Lo'ak is always stuck in his shadow and trying to prove himself.
@@HowlingWolf518 He was a military officer in his early life and then was forced to use his previous training and knowledge to function as a military leader for his tribe because they were at war with the humans. He was forced to live the life of a military officer and it is a very encompassing mental state. Not something that you can just turn on and off like a light switch. I wonder if he will be shown blaming himself for his son's death in the sequel? Hell, had his son NOT made that sacrifice others in his family would be dead instead probably.
@@HowlingWolf518 I just posted on another thread that "Spider" was almost retroactive continuity since the first movie did not at all even HINT at Quartich having a romance with a female human (maybe the director's cut?) and what self respecting female human with any taste would want to sleep with a butt ugly, middle aged evil tyrant?? A human woman WANTING to sleep with a man like that is so damned unrealistic that it makes the rest of the story seem like a National Geographic Documentary.
I hate those @$$H0LE$ who complained that it should have only been 2 hours and was too long. I missed a few minutes taking a leak but I knew that I would go back to see it probably 2 more times anyway so it was no big deal. My only real complaint about the movie is that some of the plot threads feel UNRESOLVED. If they get resolved in some other way (novelization that goes into more detail, sequel that helps tie the story together, or if I get to see an extended director's cut) then I will apply that "fix" retroactively and then feel just fine about the movie. I won't list them all but a big one for me is Quartich having a son. Nothing in the first movie made it seem like he was having a romance and what self respecting female human would want to sleep with that evil, disgusting man???
Honestly, I loved the relationship between the Sully kids, even Spider. My favorite part was when Neytiti went crazy and brutally killed the RDA soldiers, that shit was awesome. One thing I don't understand is why Quaritch doesn't have the 3 scars on his head in the video log, yet he had them before he even knew Jake.....(Edit: Apparently I'm fucking blind even WITH glasses, because it was confirmed that he does have the scars...yay me.) Despite this movie's issues, I'm still very excited for Avatar 3, and hopefully Cameron will focus even more on the characters rather than visuals ( not that focusing on the visuals is a bad thing because godamn this movie is the best looking movie I've ever seen and I don't say that lightly.) Oh and the music is beautiful and I'm actually glad they reused some of the themes from the first film to pay respect to James Horner.
I believe kiri is a child of eywa which will be established in later movies as a living planet. Grace died mid transfer into her avatar body so maybe when they stated “grace is with eywa” eywa pretty much implanted graces consciousness into the avatar body as a baby. And since kiri/grace was one with eywa she inherited some abilities that’s why she can control and bond with the plants and animals
What you are describing (and I said something similar on another thread) is basically a form of REINCARNATION. I think she is actually the doctor and her visions where she sees the older doctor lady are flashback memories OF HERSELF, they are NOT in my opinion separate people.
@@Zurround And When Kiri asked Grace about something Grace couldn't know, Kiri seized, Kiri was using Eywa to integrate with a past self well before Kiri was in a safe headspace to deal with the fact she had a past life. Also Grace knowing what she knew and Jake not being born Na'vi but both linking to eywa may have spark a greater self awareness with their alien perspective allow eywa a unique chance at self reflection
I agreed with almost everything you said here. I hope James Cameron pay attention to the feedback we are giving as fans. I feel that many of the story issues could have been fixed easily with minor changes. Regarding Lo'ak. I think the reason Lo'ak didn't mentioned what he experienced with the tulkun to the adults is actually spot on, because this is exactly how kids or teens behave, they struggle to explain their reasoning.
The problematic thing is that its not James Camerons story anymore. He hired multiple story writers, which explains it not feeling as magical and orignal as the first one did.
I don't think your opinion is even close to universal by the fandom. Most people I have heard including myself, thought it was pretty much perfect. The author of this video feels like he's the type of person who needs everything explained and spelled out.
11:00 in regards to the viper wolves, Jake was alone and loud in the first movie. He was easy prey for pack hunters. Quaritch’s team, however, was a pack of their own. The viper wolves peeked out, sized them up, and left because a pack of viper wolves vs. a pack of “Na’vi” wouldn’t end well for the smaller predators.
Also they briefly talk about how pandora has created a defense mechanism against humans and since they aren’t human it might not attack them. Another example of this is when spider says the animal treat him differently when he is painted blue
Weren’t they also implied to be night hunters? Project Phoenix happened across them during the day, whereas Jake was being actively stalked and hunted at nighttime.
They were probably stronger and tougher than the Navi due to being GENETICALLY ENGINEERED and since they were once soldiers they probably had extensive martial art/hand to hand combat training.
Personally I love Jake’s off-screen explanation, and I loved the moment in which he explained that after all these years know he understands Navi language as well as English, a smart explanation to the fact that even Metkaina speaks in English. Even if a complete film in Navi language would have been cool
Do you know what artistic license is? None of the Navi are really speaking English, its just what the movie viewers hear so that we do not need subtitles to distract from the screen. That was why their speech morphed into English at first. But what I am wondering is how it is that all the Navi speak the same language AS EACH OTHER. On Earth 400 years ago for example do you really think a Native American tribe in what is now California will have the same language as a tribe in Idaho?
@@Zurround I gave the same explanation, I was only underlying that they found a good explanation to justify a stylistic choice. Regarding the variety of languages, I read that the Metkayina Navi is a bit different different than the Omaticaya one.
@@randomly_random_0 They have the same language but different accents is basically how it's been described, makes sense. Aussie, Brit, and American english is the same language but different quirks and word usage.
I'd wait for the extended cut. There is only so much time they had to tell their story the extended cut of the first movie expanded a lot more on the story. I didn't think them knowing from the beginning about Spider's father was unrealistic - it wasn't that big a base and his mother did name him Miles, it would only take one person knowing and telling Jake and his inner circle. I honestly didn't mind, it prevented a Luke and Darth Vader moment. And yes, Jake is way too hard on his sons in this movie, Lo'ak especially, but I would keep an open mind, his character ark is not done yet. He was a flawed father, yes, which is not that unrealistic - he was only 22 when became a father, we don't know what sort of example he grew up with and the entire movie he's stressed, first running a guerilla group, then trying to make it work in their new so they don't get expelled. There is room for growth. And Spider is a teenager who grew up his entire life not really belonging anywhere - he probably isn't sure himself what he wants.
@@lolaby2 exactly! The comics expand a little, saying who his mother was and sayimg he was registered as a "fatherless birth", meaning Quaritch was a deadbeat dad, but she named him Miles, its a small base and people talk. The dialogue in the comics hints that everyone knows, but they wanted to save the reveal for the audience in the movie
Trying to be a MILITARY LEADER when his side is the underdog and in constant danger is probably a major stress for anyone and being a parent with 3 children (4 of you count ADOPTED) is a big stress even during peaceful tranquil times. Raising children is never easy. He is BOTH of the above. I could NEVER combine raising 4 children AND being a military leader during an ongoing conflict AT THE SAME TIME and to boot he is having to adjust mentally and physically to the fact that his human body is dead and he will never again be a human being which he was for the first part of his life. He has a lot on his metaphorical plate.
@@Zurround exactly! I've said this in another comment but the whole character ark for Jake in this movie is that he has been blinded by fear for his children and that led him to step down as leader and try to move far away and "retire", so to speak. He needed to have his eyes opened that this danger will only spread and nowhere will be safe soon - which he did, right at the end. Also, it is plainly shown that he was not like that in peace time and he is hardest to the kids who are warriors, the ones who will need the skills the most. Lo'ak's ark makes a lot sense if you consider that he IS the middle child, which has been proven in psychology (a degree no one in this situation has) that the middle children get the least attention, and are even scapegoated more - you can see at the end Jake's also had his eyes open in that regard. Also Lo'ak is the most like younger Jake and the most human one - so there might be some feelings there where Jake can't quite face having a mirror held up to him like that.
It's understandable why Jake is hard on Lo'ak. The kid is reckless and impulsive and got his siblings and others in danger multiple times. Lo' ak doesn't really seem to understand this until the end of the battle, which is why he basically expresses that he thinks his parents think Neteyam is perfect and he's just a disappointment. I'm pretty sure that Jake is just worried about Lo'ak starting something that will have devastating consequences and he doesn't want him to have to carry such a burden.
After Kiri has her seizure and Norm and Max land at the village, there is a scene where Quaritch and the General talk about their radars picking up a rougue Samson heading towards the Metkayina Islands before loosing the signal, which explains how they know where the Sully's are.
RDA Quaritch saving Spider from Neytiri killing him is one of the main reasons why Spider saved Quaritch because it shows that he cared for Spider. While it may have been a dumb decision, I understand his point of view. I think Spider didn't go with him because of his horrible actions. While his siblings seem to care about him (especially Kiri), Jake and especially Neytiri don't really seem to care. Overall, it's all setting up for the third one, among other things. I have a feeling Quaritch will go through a Redemption Arc in the next few films because Spider and Pandora is changing him. (similar to Darth Vader) and maybe even at one point, he'll work together with Jake and the Sully family to take down the RDA. Who know where this story will go? But anyway, that is what I got out of the part of the movie.
I had a falling out with my own father some years ago. It is a long and sad story that I will not elaborate on here. However, if he was dying and I could save him without suffering permanent physical loss (for example kidney transplant) I still would. For example I would give him a blood transfusion if need be. I think he took the moral high ground to save his life but he was still shunning him in every other sense.
Apparently the interviews are hinting at Eywa manipulating Recom!Quaritch into realizing he's on the wrong side. He's definitely going to have to _become_ his enemy in order to beat them, just like Sarah Connor did.
@@HowlingWolf518 Which interviews? I think this is an interesting way to go forward. If you look at the planet like a hivemind, Jake plugging in many times might have made him betray humanity. Maybe the same will happen to Quaritch.
I honestly believe the soul transfer thing that was attempted on grace actually worked, its just she sorta….gave birth to herself with the help of eywas’ influence. Seeing as Jake is male and wasn’t fatally wounded, he was able to transfer to his avatar body with no problems. I believe kiri is grace, just a new incarnation of grace or her soul or whatever way you wanna phrase it. She’s basically a direct child of eywa. Which would explain how she’s able to control the environment with the flora and fauna.
The reason of the creatures are not attacking the recoms but only humans is partly because at the end of the first avatar, Eywa has heard jake and helped with the battle thus the creatures of eywa are conformed to only focus on attacking the humans. Jake was attacked in the beginning of the first movie in his Na’Vi form because Eywa hasn’t heard and fully understand him yet therefore the creatures were still wild
@@thebossman972 well i guess spider is part of jake’s family (like norm and max) Also the shark would probably be because it’s a different clan in a different part of pandora and Lo’ak does not belong there. But who knows it’s just an assumption
The main reason of why I think Jake acted like that to his children in front of the Metkayina, especially R'onal and Tonowari because of the psychology of father who asked for his family's staying in a strangers' place. Which had to respect the leader and his family or else they risked getting outcasted. I hope this help you understand the psychology of each character, a thumb up for me for this movie.
The thing that I didn't like about Amrita is, not only the fact that they drop the bomb that the substance stops human aging and don't elaborate further, but also that I don't want to justify the actions of the Tulkun hunters, but they are basically collecting the most important substance in the history of mankind. I'd have prefered that Amrita had a more mundane reason to be collected. For example, instead of saying that it stops human aging, they had said something like "Some rich people on earth *believe* that this can stop their aging. There's no scientific proof of that but they are willing to pay a lot of money for it so we are willing to provide". Not only aboids a huge lore bomb like that being forgotten like nothing, but also is more realistic since that happens in real life: humans killing endangered species for the dumbests of reasons.
The moment it was revealed that they kill tulkuns for this substance that stops aging was one of the most heart breaking moments of the movie for me. Just like the destruction of the home-tree is so devastating for me because of it painfully remainds me of what was, is and will be lost in the real world. Humans trying to escape death by stealing life from other creatures was kind of similar reminder. With the ending when Jake and Neytiri ultimately accept death of Neteyam, it builds very coherent message: each energy is only a borrow, not willing to return it, not accepting death will lead to disruption of balance, stealing life from others. And that's why Earth is dying. It was just the one line, but have profoundly impacted me.
He said that vial was worth 80 million (Not sure if its "dollars" or whatever but a lot of money I guess?) WEALTHY humans might live for centuries but ONLY very greedy and wealthy people.
@@Zurround This is true, the wealthiest people would sacrifice life of others to escape death. Not all humans contribute equally to that. Most would never have a chance to have access to it. To clarify, maybe I should add this to my original comment. For me it's allegorical for the real world where more wealthy people steal life from the poor, and future generations, by destroying the world we live in and, in consequence, denying possibility to exist in liviable conditions.
I think they tracked the lab guys when kiri had a fit they went to assist jake they could only track where they were going on the planet not the exact island
@@Zurround sucks that those people are also the only ones who are gonna be able to afford moving to Pandora. They're the main cause of Earth dying and now leave it to continue sucking the life out of another place for their personal gain.
The movie felt a little rushed in the beginning and I would've liked to see more of what happened but as soon as they got to the Metkayina Clan and the movie slowed down it was like a dream till the end, but more Jake and Neytiri would've been great! I really hope that there's gonna be an extended cut and a bunch of behind-the-scenes! It was more like a revenge side quest of Quaritch with the introduction of the kids and the Metkayina Clan, we first needed to build a connection to all those characters so that they can focus on the big stuff in the sequels. It was the beginning of the whole Saga and because we now know the kids and the Metkayina Clan, they can focus on the rest of Pandora and the bigger war in the next movies! That's my theory at least! I loved The Way of Water and I will watch it again and again in theaters until it doesn't run there anymore!
it's a spiritual movie, and it's about story of our ancestors and how we should be living in a right way with nature, and being righteous to protect our earth like na'vi do
ah I was waiting for this video! Got myself a snack and then watched it all the way through :) You know how I feel/what I thought about pretty much everything haha so for once I don't have much to say. I do think I can (maybe) "explain" something you wondered about at the 10 minute mark. Why the viperwolves don't attack the Recoms even though they did attack Jake in the first movie, as did the Thanator. I think you're conflating two "attack motivations" here. General Ardmore refers to the banshees swarming the helicopters, if they spend too much time in the mountains, as an "immune response". It's what first happened at the end of the first movie: the wildlife responds to Eywa's direction, to attack the invaders. Apparently Eywa kept defending Pandora that way. It is this immune response that the Recoms do not trigger. This is visualized by the viperwolves not blindly attacking them. When Jake got lost in the first Avatar and was attacked by the Thanator and the viperwolves, those were not examples of that "immune response". The Thanator and the viperwolves were simply hunting. The animals of Pandora still do this. They are still dangerous animals. As we see the banshee fight back against Quaritch when he tries to bond with it. The animals just won't do the swarming thing where they go in for the kill for no reason other than to defend Pandora. I think if instead of a couple of viperwolves, the Recoms had run into a Thanator, it would have still tried to kill them as part of regular hunting behavior. And if it had been dark and a Recom had become isolated from the group, a pack of viperwolves would have attacked - as they did with Jake. Right now it was broad daylight and the viperwolves were outnumbered by the Recoms. So maybe they don't show it the right way in the movie, to make this clear, but I don't personally see it as a contradiction or inconsistency. And just like that, I still managed to have a lot to say oops sorry about that.
He’s done with the RDA. He’s literally going to ignore Bridgehead and get lost somewhere at the beginning of Part 3. Mark my words. Probably meets a new clan, they take him in and he learns their ways. I just hope he keeps the high and tight haircut lol he looks like such a badass it’d be weird seeing him with any other hairstyle. And who knows, maybe he runs into a clan that also dislikes Jake Sully for whatever reason. Or maybe he helps another clan out in their fight vs another clan and they take him in. Also, I feel RDA brings in an Avatar played by Vin Diesel and he’s going to be the main villain of parts 4 and 5 because Quaritch probably has one more villain arc movie in him.
As for the Viperwolf thing it's been pretty clearly stated that Pandora's developed a sort of "immune system" against humans, the arrival of wildlife to check on the recoms was probably more like the how RDA got swarmed in the last act of the first film, deliberate on Eywa's part and not a random encounter like with Jake
Next movie I hope we see more about the adults such as Neytiri, Ronal, Tonowari, Norm and that new Omaticaya clan leader, I can barely remember his name he was practically a cameo in the movie.
I'm looking forward for Avatar the Way of Water's extended cut and all the extended, deleted and unfinished scenes. - I love Lo'ak's relationships with Tsireya and Payakan. He is feels kinda outcast with the latter, thus leading to the mutual understanding of each other. And I also like it how Lo'ak gets attracted with Tsireya upon seeing her for the first time and developes a crush for her, which Tsireya seemingly returns with similiar attraction. Their teenager romance seems to be build in the several weeks the Sully family spends with Metkayina, while it took from Jake and Neytiri whole three months to grow closer, bond and fall in love with each other. I also loved how Tsireya's feelings for Lo'ak make her more understanding and supportive towards his troubled soul due to his status as an outcast. Also, RDA and Quaritch kidnapping Tsireya, Tuk and Lo'ak into the net reminded me somewhat the kidnapping scene from Lilo and Stitch film. - I was very shocked by Neteyam's death even though it was rumored already, because I so hoped that it won't be true until Neteyam got shot by Wainfleet during of his, Loak's and Spider's escape from the ship and his funeral was so sad and touching. 😢😢😢😢😢 But I was even more shocked by Neytiri's blind lust for blood when she slaughtered the Sea Dragon crew with such of violent berserk rage, and how she even threatened Spider's life after Quaritch took Kiri as a hostage. - I also loved Spider's role here. He posses the firm and emotional loyalty towards Sully family and Na'vi in general to the point of standing up for them, but has a complex feelings towards the recom version of his true father, even if he is left disgusted by his antagonistic and cruel ways towards Na'vi. I'm not sure, but maybe Spider has a rather begrudgingly made though that perhaps there is at least some good in Quaritch despite everything he has put him and the Na'vi Sully through.
I loved the movie but there were to many things that i tought was missing. 1. The recoms barely had any dialogues and they got killed too quick and easy. Very dissapointing considering the hype and all the info about them before the movie even came out. They looked tough and badass but looked like ants in the movie. 2. 0 scenes on shown on earth! How!!!?? They could have shown how the venture stars depart from earth with the big lasers etc... Considering that they sent like 12 of them and that they was also new and improved. It looked like they just came for Sully (later explained that earth was dying and that they eventually wanted to colonize pandora). 3. I would have hoped that they would shown how Bridgehead was built. We just saw multiple venture stars for some reason de-orbiting as we know that they are not built for de orbiting. They could atleast have shown how they built it, with the new tech and robots they talked about, and if there were other bases because you could see venture stars scorching other areas far away. The supply maglev trains also does not explain were they were going or were they were coming from. 4. All in all, the beginning was waaaay to rushed in my opinion. More family scenes, maybe some scenes with Norm. 5. There were too many black screen transitions or whatever its called. It didnt suck you in for and exciting moment and it felt like very flat. 5. There were almost no Na Vi spoken, especially with the other clan and them talking to eachother. It just didnt feel right that even the navi chose to speak english. 6. Its a crime that they didnt talk more about Amrita and that it is the sole reason for RDA´s presence on pandora. Unobtanium was the reason on their long operation before they departed. And it was atleast explained in the first movie what it had for purposes. Amrita for me seemed like a game changer of a new plot and could be talked about more stating that it is so expensive and also what why they wanted to stop human aging. The movie was awesome and a visual masterpiece. definitely a strong 8/10.
Glad to see your negative points are exactly the same as mine. The worst part for me was when I realized only the sully were still fighting and the metcayina just somehow vanished from the battle after the initial attack. It felt a bit odd. And those transitions between quaritch and the Sully's new life were not very great too. There's a time or two where I wondered how they could have close the scene like this when it felt like we were in the middle of something.
My only explanation for that is that it’s because Jake told Tonowari that he has to do it alone. Just him. I don’t quite remember the sequence of that scene so I could be wrong, but Tonowari probably was like nah fuck that and went back not knowing tseryia was with them.
it gets worse when you remember one of the main reasons they want to go fight is because they have the metcayinas chiefs daughter. shes still there in the end. but no one goes to rescue her or at least make sure that she is okay?
"Why did the viperwolves attack Jake in the first movie but not Quaritch and his team?" I think the answer is that the attack on Jake was a normal type of attack/hunt against someone that's loudly bumbling through their jungle, while the attacks that General Ardmore describes are more focussed and dangerous, because Eywa is still mobilized against the humans in that particular area (the mountains), from back when Jake spoke to her before the final battle. So Quarritch might have been attacked by the wildlife, if they were seen as potential prey, but they wont be attacked in the way that the fauna attacked the helicopter fleet in Avatar 1.
I have to correct you on this, if I'm right! (24:26) Despite it not being explained, I think they know the truth. First I felt like you but then I understood this. Payakan was responsible for their deaths because the tulkun don't kill and don't fight back (we check that when they are being hunted), and it was his idea to do that, resulting in their deaths much like Lo'ak caused that conflict by going to save payakan. It's not anyone's fault, but it is the moral code of the tulkun. Therefore payakan is considered a killer and Lo'ak eventually did the same. Which is sad but makes payakan and Lo'ak even more relatable!
I think this movie was a great introduction to another part of pandora that we know nothing of. It gave us a little something but not everything which makes me wonder what the other movies will be like. In A2 it is well established that humans are here and many more are coming as Earth is dying off. The idea that your consciousness can be transferred to Navi body is terrifying. The idea that the Tulkan's brain fluid can stop aging making one almost immortal is also terrifying. Yes so many questions unanswered in A2 for a reason. I have a feeling that spider will end up with Kiri as we see how protected he is of her. The way he looks at her and towards the end when he was helping her as the ship was sinking mirrors titanic jack and rose. Spider's motive was not really fleshed out. He seems wishy washy but I can attribute that to him being young and conflicted when confronted with his human vs Navi side. But Spider and Kiri arc will be later in A4 and possibly A5 as we explore who or what is Ewya and humans overtaking Pandora. I do believe A3 will focus more on LoAk. He will be burden with the death of Neteyam. He will blame himself for it which will lead him to be more of an outcast and seeking his own heroines journey. He will of course seek out Payakan for the adventure and tseirya will have to choose to go with him or stay with her people.
They DO explain how the base was built. As the blue soldiers come in, you see all these spider bots. They built the base and they build fast. The general explains it.
Yeah, I don't think Spider actually got adopted by Jake until the very end ("A son for a son"). I'm not sure why they said he was their adopted son - maybe he will be in A3 and that's where the confusion comes from? A2 and A3 were shot together. I think the viperwolves attacked Jake because he was alone and easy prey. The recoms were in a large group and heavily armed. I think there is one scene where Quaritch says that Jake has "gone to ground", so maybe the RDA noticed that the raids stopped and that's why they assumed that he had left. I get why Spider decided to go with Quaritch. The kid (he's only 15 at the start of the movie) didn't want to be tortured anymore. Jake didn't know that it was Aonung's fault, because Lo'ak lied for him and took all the blame. Theory: Kiri didn't meet Grace but Eywa in Grace's form (because Kiri herself is possibly Grace reincarnated). Whatever happened to Kiri also happened on Eywa's side of the connection as the Spirit Tree went completely dark. It's like both of them had a blackout. Yeah, I hope they explain amrita eventually. This seems like such a game changer. I agree with most of your points on the movie. The first two acts could really do with more time for character development. I cannot wait for the extended cut!
Yeah when I watched to the movie again I noted that he didn't adopt spider. He was a family friend/ cousin. With the death of neteyam he might get adopted or end up with kiri. A3 will be very grand
In 2009, Avatar bumped my al time favorite movie out of its top spot, The Matrix. Now 13 years later Avatar 2 has bumped it to number 3. I'm 57 years old and I plan on being at all the sequels. I've seen Avatar 2 twice. I'm going again this weekend for the IMAX 3D. I agreed with your spoiler review...mooore story & character development. And I loved the movie.
I feel like literally all of your complaints are explained in the movie lol. I feel you’ve hyped yourself up so much and made so many “prediction” videos that when it didn’t happen in the movie you see it as a plot hole. But in reality it’s just not what YOU wanted to happen.
Im sorry but your comment is so stupid. He is stating his opinion about the movie, not sugarcoating it after hyping it up for so long. As him lot of people aren't just satisfied with pretty visuals and have high hopes about the story as the world has a lot of potential, so stfu and let him show his review of the movie.
The sea dragon was never mentioned verbally but in the bridgehead montage scene where Ardmore is explaining everything, one of the background scenes is *A* sea dragon being constructed in the background. It’s identified by a screen next to them, with “sea dragon” being written on it and also on the metal structure behind them.
It’s explained somewhere, I believe, that the wildlife is less inclined to attack Na’vi due to the way the planet doesn’t see them as a threat like it does the humans, it’s pretty explicitly told in the first movie that Pandora is effectively just one massive hive mind that allows the creatures and plants to communicate with each other and even the Na’vi all over the plant have that ability. Spider even explicitly says that the blue he paints on himself makes him feel like he’s running faster and let’s him sneak past the animals, after the RDA’s attack on home tree, and the final battle that any human kicks the “immune system” of the plant making them a target, and is why the Blue Squad wasn’t attacked by the Viper Wolves.
Killing Tsu'tey in Part 1 was a mistake - if he was olo'eyktan instead of Jake, then the Sullys could come and go between clans as they please _without_ it feeling incredibly stupid.
Agreed. Jake was special enough already too by being Toruk Makto and the catalyst of the Na'vi victory over the humans. He didn't really need to become clan leader as well (and from a Na'vi standpoint it doesn't make sense either if you go off of pure practicality, because of the simple reason that Jake wasn't fully integrated into the Omaticaya culture yet; he did go through the rites of passage but he wasn't fluent in Na'vi yet and very likely didn't know all the customs and ways of the Omaticaya yet either. Tsu'tey grew up in their clan and thus knew all about it, he or even one of his fellow warriors would've made a better candidate). Tsu'tey did tell Jake that he was destined to be clan leader due to being Toruk Makto, but come on.
A lot of people act like this is the final movie and more things needed explaining. Perhaps some things can be saved for the next ones? And we don’t need everything explained like we’re dumb viewers. I like being able to think about things and coming up with logical explanations.
in the way that Anakin Skywalker’s father is more or less the force itself, and only having one physical parent, reminds me of the relationship Kiri has with Grace. Maybe Eywa blessed Grace with a child, and that’s why Kiri has special abilities to connect with the life around her
Things u misunderstood in my o pinion 1. The reason the Thanataurs attacked jake in the first movie and the reason they don't attack Quaritch and CO are completely unrelated. Quaritch and CO are being sent in because of the "Immune response" which is referring to Eywa hearing Jake in the first movie. Eywa is defending that entire area and never stopped doing so. This is why they haven't just flown into the Mountains and Blew High Camp to Hell and back. Thats why the RDA only has 10 minutes of airtime before they get Avatar 1'ed. 2. Quaritch and Spider being Father and Son doesn't have to be this "Luke I am your father" moment to be good. It's even implied that EVERYONE is Spider's life knows about Quaritch judging by Kiri's initial comment when they are at the camp. The main point is that DESPITE every logical point that they should hate each other, A Father and Son's bond goes deeper than blood. When Spider is with the Sullys, he is outwardly unloved by Neytiri, but when he is with Quaritch he feels like he is being useful and even loved at times. This of course fades a bit once Quaritch starts "War-Criming", but the point remains. No matter what happens they still FEEL a connection. To quote Neytiri from Avatar 1, "...Spirit is all that matters". Once Spider gets Confirmation at the end that his Father feels something for him as well, He cannot let him die in front of him. He saves him, but doesn't owe him any more than that. 3. Quaritch and CO did NOT stop looking for Jake and the Sullys once they left high camp. They realised they can't just Go in and keep Yoinking his kids, so they decide to "Go Full Na'vi". This is for two reasons Firstly Quaritch wants to utilize the Na'vi bodies him and his squad are now in. They tried going in with normal human tactics and they got clowned on by Two people. Giving everyone a Banshee to ride and whatnot makes his combat force more effective overall Secondly Quaritch promises to Spider that he wont make him Betray Jake Sully, and he is genuine with that. He has Spider Indirectly help them (Being an Interpreter, "Helping" to get the Banshees) so that his son doesn't have his brain microwaved by the Scientists back at Beachhead City. He's keeping his son out fo harms way while still completing his mission of vengeance. Once Quaritch and CO receive info on where a Rogue Gunship might have been (Somewhere far away from high camp) Quaritch makes the call that it must be Sully since the Omatikaya are the only Clan with stolen Gunships. Only THEN do they realise that they ran. If Kiri hadn't had that Siezure Jake's plan could have worked is the implication I got while watching. 4. Lo'ak could NOT have just Explained away Payakan's involvement in the death of Tuul'kun and Na'vi as "oh but he didn't kill any of them". There is a line from Tsireya after the meeting that explains why this is. Lo'ak tells her about what happened, but Tsireya responds "By the Tuul'Kun way he is (a killer)". Directly or not Payakan incited Conflict that resulted in the deaths of dozens of people's lives (Na'vi and Tuul'Kun). Tsireya Saying this confirms that the Tuul'Kun way is akin to pure Pacifism. Not only is directly killing Forbidden, if you take action that LEADS to killing you have still killed someone, However indirectly. Payakan is still an Outcast, and Lo'ak pretending to know more about the Tuul'kun way than Tonowari after he was just taught it wouldn've escalated the situation even further. Thats all I got.
Personally I didn’t mind that there was no hype or dramatic scene about who spider’s dad was. That doesn’t fit James’ more realistic style. Spider and all the other characters know who his dad is, hence why they talk about it normally. It’s only us, the audience, who don’t know. We shouldn’t be so disappointed that it’s a casual conversation, because we have to remember that these characters have had lives off screen that we haven’t seen. I thought it was the perfect way to go about it, no unnecessary plot twists or dramatic moment; just a simple side comment by two characters who already knew that information
It would have been nice if the marketing leading up to Way of Water had leaned into the fact that Spider is Quaritch's son rather than treating it like a big mystery. We should have got interviews with Champion and Lang together openly talking about their characters being related.
This saga needs a human that is both a complete humanist (Loyal to humanity and not the RDA) and with solid argumentation for its actions. Somebody that sees the bigger picture of the crisis humanity is, while simultaneously acknowledging pandora and Eywa as a whole and not only for material resources/excessive consumerism's sake. Somebody that is laser-focused on its mission but at the same time is critical of the methods they're using to achieve said objective. Someone more cunning and less trigger-happy. Somebody that actually respects its rivals. My personal choice for this figure would be one of a scientist/Engineer. But also a corporate agent for RDA with some military training. He goes to Pandora to supervise the colonization efforts as a counsellor for the generals that plan the safety of the operation. He's obsessed with both Eywa and Pandora's life, (maybe even a secret admirer of Grace Augustine). It's convinced that they're pandora's most vital resources (Even more than Unobtanium and Amrita). He dislikes RDA's current methods of scorching the Earth and brutal submission of the local life and goes like a Rouge Inside RDA's ranks. Avoiding unnecessary loss of life while making advances to exploit the mineral and biological resources of Pandora for Humanity's sake (Even fucking over RDA in the process). Manages to contact Eywa as a human (Maybe a little genetic engineering would help) and negotiate/extort her for whatever she can do. I suspect that Eywa is responsible for Pandora's dramatic overabundance of biological niches and adaptations. Maybe she can compute and design those, a capability that can help humanity develop a way to produce Amrita, Unobtanium and many other valuable substances without destroying pandora. And using a superluminal beacon to transmit this knowledge to Earth. Ending up in RDA's collapse as other companies/governments would be able to produce and outcompete RDA.
I would have liked more time with Quaritch and his team. The idea of bringing them back was really cool and its a shame that they're basically all dead before they had any character development.
Yeah, they had more characterization in the first movie as extras, then they do here as actual characters. I wish they would have been able to actually do something before all dieing to a single archer going crazy
Honestly Nateum's death felt natural to me. It's not some dramatic death, he died like a casualty at war. There was no joy in his killing, he died becuase he was the enemy, and that to me is more impactful instead of cinematically dramatizing how he died. It goes to show that the villains aren't some purely evil people, they were just doing their job.
Ronal was a badass in this movie you see how she was pregnant and was like “I ride” to Tonowari I’m realising it’s because of her dead Whale sister it got soo personal for her
answer/theory as to why the anmials of pandora didnt attack at the beginning of the movie is that at the end of the first movie the animals of pandora thru ewayah fight and defend the navvi people the is a scene in the second movie where the viper wolves see the recons and they dont attack its cause they see that they arent humans but navvi
I don't think that Spider "flip-flops". I think that Spider saves his dad because Spider is a good person and doesn't want to be responsible for his own father's death, even though Quaritch is a bad guy. Spider was my favorite character in the film, I don't think he ever is in league with the RDA, he's rebelling in small ways where he can throughout. My favorite moment in the movie is where he picks up the fire extinguisher on the bridge of the Sea Dragon and starts wrecking house. I also laughed when he had to hide from Neytiri at the end, I was like: stay hidden dude! That mother is on the warpath! Ultimately I thought that Spider was a very wise character.
20:25 eclips is not night time. night time is when the sun (or in their case alpha centauri A) goes below the horizon due to the rotation of the world. eclips is when centauri goes behind polythemus. a day-night cycle would be like sunrise -> first half of the day -> eclips -> second half of the day -> sunset -> night. it is like a solar eclips only it happens dayly due to polythemus being so large in the sky. eclips would be much shorter than night, but also be more sudden with barely any kind of twilight. on pandora it would also be much darker than nighttime since during the night polythemus would still reflect a lot of light from centauri which does not happen during eclips. the darkness would also depend on the current location of alpha centauri B, which is a second star in the system that would look dimmer than A from pandora but would still be many times brighter than the full moon seen from earth.
I'll be honest there are a lot of comments I just find very weird in this video. - About the General: Why does she need to be in the plot all the time? She served a purpose, Avatar is clearly already set up for a 5 film minimum, yes she'll be in future films but why is it a bad thing she didn't get a tonne of screen time when we already have Quarrich as the main villain? - Viperwolves: Firstly they only attacked Sully at night, they also only attacked him when he was alone. No, the two Viperwolves on screen weren't dumb enough to attack 8+ Avatars. I always got the assumption that Pandora became more magical, but dangerous, at night. -JuSt TaLk To JaKe: Sully was the leader of one tribe, of which there were many others. One can assume he would have a lot of pull though due to his exploits, but either way what would the Humans say that would change anything? 'Ah yeah man, Earth is dying (it already was in Avatar 1), sorry we burnt down acres of forest, have no respect for your planet, kill your animals and steal your resources, but we want to bring millions if not billions of Humans here. Sound good?'. What would Sully say? 'Ah yeah cool water under the bridge, them rockets that killed whole forests was kinda dope. Here come live right next to us we'll get along fine'. Silly comment to make tbh. - Spider/Quarrich: Does it need to be a mystery that he was the father? I suppose it would have been an interesting reveal, but I'd hardly say coming out of the gate and making it obvious is a bad thing. It explains immediately why Ney'teri hates the kid, it prevents a long mystery plot that would be really obvious (who else would it be? There was hardly any named Humans in Avatar other than Quarrich and Selfridge who were on the bad guys team), and it comes into the plot later as a way to get Quarrich more in tune with Pandora by learning from the kid. You bring this up again later on how it should have been a mystery who Spider's father is, which I disagree and think would have just added more run time for very little pay off. -Bridgehead: Whilst it would have been cool to see more of it, do we really need to? It's clearly a giant base, bigger than previous, with loads of humans. Would staying here do much for the plot? Not really. I'd rather see more of the planet. - Unable to find Sully in the forest: It's pretty obvious they were looking for Sully in the forest, but they weren't able to know exactly where they are due to interference and such. Whilst they're searching for that lead, and whilst the Avatars are investigating and all that, they find out the lead that Sully/his kids are in the islands where the water Na'vi are. Sully leaving shows that Sully understands how dangerous the humans are. Would the RDA have found their tribe? Probably with time, but they stopped going that route once they knew he wasn't in the forests anymore. You bring this up again later, again, there is no indication they just gave up looking for Sully in the forest until they had the new lead and I'm not sure where you got that from. - Kiri holding breath: Firstly she's off screen for a long time, she could have easily gone up for air. Secondly we know the sully kids can hold their breath for a long time and part of that is relaxing, slowing the heartbeat, all those lessons with the sea tribe. Kiri, the clear embodiment of Eywa, is pretty damn relaxed and vibing. She isn't in the water panicking or uncomfortable like the sully kids were at first. I do think that the fact that the Sully kids go 'yo, where tf is kiri?!' and then 10 seconds later completely forget worrying about her is weird. -Lo'ak scolding: Yeah, it happens to much and really makes Sully look like a shit father to be fair. Why he didn't step up and do anything like you said is really obvious though, they're in a strangers home so apologise and look pretty so we don't get kicked out was the vibe of a lot of his behaviour even if it happened too much. Also the adults didn't know anything about the Whale or the Shark, at least when he was being scolded, which would have changed things if it was mentioned.
See that Ash's clan is more interested in RDA technology and less connected to Ava. Maybe Quaritch would try to recruit them to replace the fallen recombinants.
I've been anticipating this film for 13 yrs, but I was very ill so I finally saw it yesterday. The first Avatar was the best theater experience I've ever had & was floored by the 3D. Avatar 2 was probably my worst theater experience, because I now wear glasses & the 3D glasses created a weird shadow over one eye. I felt like I was watching a 2D movie through sunglasses and a periscope. But I could still tell the CGI was so much better, the texture of the Navi was incredible. Overall, I thought the story/characters/music suffered a pretty big decline from the first; I wasn't moved emotionally the way I was during the original. The combat scenes were excellent, Neytiri was incredible, but she didn't have much to do for most of the movie. Kate Winslet's character seemed unnecessary. Quaritch was great; Stephen Lang is a brilliant actor; I completely forgot about what he looked like in the first film because he was so convincing as an avatar. I think there were too many characters & the story wasn't as focused and simple as the first. Jake being a paraplegic & restarting his life on a new world while falling in love was a great empathetic story. Maybe I'll try to see it again in a better theater. The sound in my theater was terrible; I could hear music from the next screening room throughout the entire movie, and the house lights came on during the middle of the film. But I gotta figure out how to make my prescription glasses + 3D glasses work.
Spider might’ve been to young for cryosleep but he didn’t need to be put into it imo. He would’ve been 6 maybe 7 by the time they got back to earth. Definitely would’ve sucked to grow up on a spaceship and then obviously they would’ve had to raise him. That also assumes there was crew switching between being active and being in cryo. He had good plot armor because of the role he had to play for Quaritch. Excited to see the role he’ll end up playing in the rest of the moves.
I havent seen the marketing material that mentions spider being adopted by them but i do think he wasnt adopted by them untill the very end of the movie. After neteyam had passed and the battle on the ship was over, jake hugged him and said naytiri’s words “a son for a son” indicating spider was now under their wings. So i deffinetly think that dynamic will be very different from their other kids, especially when naytiri finds out spider saved quaritdch. So i dont think spider was supposed to be their adopted son for the whole movie, just the end. He had human foster parents on the base according to the comic atleast.
All the rumors leading up to Avatar 2: Jake and Neytiri have adopted a human boy. Avatar 2 - Jake: And then there was Spider, he was like a stray cat. 😂😂😂
Spoilers! (duh) Quatritch was hands down my favourite character to watch in this entire film. Let me explain: I knew he was stringing Spider along during the interrogation room scene, but I was hoping it wouldn't be the end. Every time he was on screen with Spider I was watching their interactions like a hawk. Facial tics and movements from hands. I honestly forgot it was an act and started looking for ways that he (Q) was being genuine. SO When Neytiri was threatening Spider and he practically disowned him, I was like WHAAAAT because the acting was THAT GOOD and my poor little naive butt bit into it. The first movie is like this for me too - every time I see the escape scene where Grace is shot, I keep thinking "if they're a little faster they got this," or "Trudy turn the ship earlier." BUT THEN HE GAVE KIRI UP AND I'M LIKE YES HAHAHA FEEL FEAR AND A RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMETHING BESIDES YOURSELF AND THE DRA MWUAHAHAHA So... Quatritch... just.... I am most excited for him. "Want vs Need" for character storytelling and all - so far we have Want, but what is the Need... I cannot wait to see the upcoming internal conflict!!! AAAA!!!
Yeah, I love the irony that Quaritch became more human in this film. Also, you shouldn't need a spoiler warning, I recommend editing that and the space you gave out, this is already a deep dive spoiler video.
@@charoleawood Alright! I also thought of another thing, one of Jake's earliest lines in the movie: when he says Pandora is dangerous because it's easy to fall in love with it (if I remember correctly) so I am looking forward to any and all future inner conflict imposed on this guy XD
A scene that some of you probably miss was when the kiri and Neteyam are fighting over a toy. That toy was a carving of toruk Or The great leonopteryx. Also this is a little theory but, when jake and his family are leaving and he gives up his leader ship to some Navi. This Navi looks just like tsu'tey. So maybe that’s his brother or son but most likely not cause they would mentioned it but it could be true.
Overall I loved the entire movie, it's hard for me not to like something that James Cameron has put his heart and soul into. Sigourney Weaver playing the teenage Kiri was a bit weird, but personally I didn't really care. I don't think we'll see the kids stay kids for too long. Like in the next movie and onwards (lets hope and pray we get more after 3) I think we'll have a montage of where the kids are still kids, but then it goes to where they are like young adults. Maybe Jake and Neytiri will have another kid, not to replace Neteyem, but to have another one (besides I don't think birth control is really that much of a thing among the Na'vi, even with Jake). I also love all the characters and how the teenagers behaved like teenagers. I still kinda want a scene where we see a human mom and a Na'vi mom have a bonding moment over motherhood and how no matter the species kids are a lot to handle. The scene where Jake gave up being Clan leader moved me. The Omataya became more than just a clan, they became his extended family and friends. I could tell that T'sutey's younger brother has a lot of respect for Jake, you can just tell it in the younger brother's face. Like if the comics are cannon, I don't think the younger brother holds the same type of anger or negativity towards Jake as his parents do. He did not want to outcast Jake and his family. I also kinda believe that Jake and Neytiri will be allowed to visit the clan when they want, maybe with some restrictions. I just don't see them being permnately outcast from the clan, Neytiri's mom is still there and I don't think Mo'at can go her whole life without ever seeing her only family member again. I'll admit the scene where they first flew to the Metkeyna clan, Ronal kinda scared me. Also how Jake said it's not him you've got to worry about it's Ronal. However Jake promising they'll learn their ways and learn to be sea people seemed to win her over. I'll fully admit I didn't expect Kiri to have a seizure under the water, but to me at least it makes sense. My reasoning being is Grace can't tell Kiri who her father is because I believe Grace had absolutely no knowledge that she had even been pregnant. I do however, believe that when they connected Kiri's Queue to the Tree of Souls was when Grace in the afterlife found out that she had a daughter or Kiri went to her sometime after. So when Kiri asked who her dad was that caused Kiri (and maybe even Eywa to a degree) to have that seizure. I still kinda believe Kiri is space Jesus, I honestly don't really care. It's not going to stop me from watching. The scene when the Tulkuns returning really moved me. I loved seeing them reconnecting with their sea family. Also the scene with Ronal and her spirit sister really moved me. Which made it all the more painful when they killed her spirit sister and the calf. The RDA killed a child simply to just leave a message. I think I scared the people a few seats away from us with how feral I went when the RDA people began getting killed off and Neytiri went on the rampage. Got a little bit too into the movie. Overall I think it's a phenomenal movie. I plan on seeing it multiple times.
I felt sooo bad for spider. You could tell he truly thought of the sullys as his family... and jake and natiri, neytiri... whatever. They didnt give a single fuck about him. He got captured and tortured and STILL didnt give them anything. What did jake and NiNi do? Leave him for presumably death and run away. "Family only" even tho they had no problem brining kiri.. possibly cuz she looks more like them. Jake and neyNey really became racists as soon as they could forget about jakes old life. Naynay even tried to sacrifice spider and he still begged not for hia life but for thw life if his siblings. They did him sooooo dirty in this film
The fact that Spider is Quaritch's son and everybody in the film already knows it is not so much a problem for me, rather the problem is that in the marketing buildup they kept this fact concealed and treated it like a big mystery. Everybody following along already knew that Miles Jr. Socorro was the son of Col. Miles Quaritch. I think it would have added a lot if this were put out there in the open right away during the marketing buildup of the last month or so, have plenty of interviews with Jack Champion and Stephen Lang together, "So, Jack, what was it like to play this guy's son?" I think it would have helped people outside of the Avatar fandom to be drawn more into this new story.
The recoms remind me of the knights of Ren…hyped up, but ended up with little attention/killed off way too easily..I hope we get to see them again, but more badass.
Great Channel @AvatarTheory : I feel your being picky for no reason.. Jake clearly says at the end of the movie "A SON FOR A SON" As a person who was fostered at a young age, I don't think you picked up the Spider dynamic very well tbh! it's not like it comes up over dinner everyday throughout your childhood! He clearly looks after him as a father so it's more of that over being adopted at birth like Kiri!! 👍👍
20:03 well at this moment Lo’ak had said that it was his idea to go out and hunt beyond the reef and aounung had tried to convince him not to, so everyone thought that the whole thing was Lo’ak’s idea
The viper wolfs didn’t attack Quaritch and his team because in the 1st movie the vipers made peace with the Na’vi at the end and helped in the battle. Neytiri bonded with one and it died while helping her
I think it shows that this movie has 5 writers along James Cameron, compared to one for first one, J.C himself. Makes sense why it would not be as high quality.
1:10 That's an interesting thought. Maybe Jake makes video logs for prosperity in case the RDA successfully destroys Aywa and the Na'vi can no longer upload memories or see their ancestors. Maybe that's what Avatar: The Seed Bearer is about and Kiri somehow becomes the seed that restores Aywa. 4:00 I don't think the one-year time jump was needed. Why didn't the Ometakya people attack when the humans first arrived? Wouldn't they have been more vulnerable in Cryo? It felt like the Na'vi didn't do anything until after the humans were settled in. 10:16 I thought the Recoms would dress as Na'vi to further explore that theory since Jake was almost killed by the thanator and viperwolves, but nope. 16:56 I would have liked to see what happened to the Ometakya clan after the Sullys left. I felt Quaritch's interrogation scene with the Metkayina people would've had a more emotional impact if it was instead Norm, Max, Mo'At, and the Ometakya people and that's how Quaritch learns about Jake's whereabouts. 36:34 A few things could have been explained more or even vaguely alluded to possible answers that kept me thinking and guessing instead of feeling confused and lost. 37:52 The fact that they reused a lot of dialogue and shots from the first film frustrated me. At times I felt like I was rewatching the first film and it took me out of the experience.
I think the reason the viperwolves attacked Jake in the first movie was because he was alone. They didn't attack the recoms because there were a bunch of them. At least that's how I though that's how that went :/
Yeah, and Jake had also made fire. The idea is that by this point in the story Ewa is on full immune defense whereas in the first one she was more indifferent to RDA presence. So the immune response in Way of Water is not like the single pack of wolves who, on their own, hunted Jake simply as they would any available prey.
Definitely feel that avatar shows what could of have happened to our world by the government/higher ups in control shown as the RDA in avatar. 1st, at one with the world and nature , 2nd how beings came to the world (most likely not the first time) and take the look of the natives (skin walking, body snatching) to gain trust and intell . 3rd the beings having a plan to make a planet cyberpunk & robot controlled. Where they continue to repeat until they get it right. Also farming the natives (humans in our case) for the resources.
Dolby quality is the best and actually Cameron said it’s his favorite way for people to experience it. Because it’s the best visual tech in theaters today.
This is my first time diving deep into a plot breakdown so I tried to make notes after my 3rd viewing to remember most details and discuss the plot in the correct order. The images used are all from trailers and promo shots.
00:00 - Logo
00:08 - Intro
00:43 - Plot Breakdown
34:49 - Positives
36:31 - Negatives
38:27 - Final Thoughts
About the viper wolves Jake did wander into their nest at night all alone so they probably felt that they was being attacked and also they have night vision and home field advantage so who wouldn’t try attack. But I don’t think there would be many Thanators left in the hallelujah mountains after the war especially after what Quaritch did to that one
I love it dude. You did great. I hear your frustration about the narration and Kiri unknown questions
38:43 I would love to see you do a comparison video between the first and the second film and further elaborate on what you think was done better between the two.
Could Jake’s narration actually be his life story from his memory uploaded to the spirit tree?
@@philljrton yes, most probably as he now has no reason to make/record video vlogs.
My favorite moment:
Neytiri going feral and threatening to kill spider. That’s going to be a crucial plot point going forward.
One of the best parts
Oh, for sure!
Yeah, but I feel that was going too far. She was even close to actually killing the human boy. That was very scary. Hell wouldn't blame Spider if he ends up betraying them in the sequel.
@@RedWolf777SG While I agree, you do need to keep in mind that Neytiri just lost her son and pretty much everything to Quaritch. That rage was dormant for a while. She wanted Quaritch to suffer the same loss as she did when she lost her son
@@kaylabennett5897 no, no. I don't doubt that or blame her for it. She had every right to act that way. But that one scene where Spider witness her killing a man and seeing that ferocious look in her eyes and face. I would be considered for my safety if I was in his place.
Especially considering she's haven't really been too keen on humans because of their past history and then some.
Neytiri's scream/cry after she realize that her son died. DAM. TOO REAL! Zoe Saldaña's performance was so incredible! Emotional! Though I agree, Neytiri was side-lined a bit. Though this movie morally focused on fatherhood, I also want to know what it is like from Neytiri's point of view, what it is like being a mother! I agree some parts did feel rushed, would love to see Jake and Neytiri being parents more! IM SURE THERE IS A 4 HOUR CUT SOMEWHERE!
maybe in the next movie we will have her grief as a mother and how she handle it
@@arlenne8456 wonder if she'll fashion up a new bow too, one of the arms on her fathers bow broke so R.I.P Omaticaya Bow
She is actress of the year honestly
I sincerely hope Zoe gets nominated for this performance. An absolute masterclass even though some say she was sidelined. So much emotion, so much feeling. Such mastery! 💙👏
Enjoy performances like hers while you can because at some point CGI will be so damned advanced that the computers will literally be creating people for the screen and human actors won't be needed anymore (or will be LESS needed).
As a father, I teared up when the older son dies.
Me too. I teared up multiple times. I’m a new father, I have a 10 month old daughter so I have new emotions now lol
He literally my favourite Sully
Despite knowing he was probably going to die going in, it still got me. Especially the funeral scene. 😢
You know what I was expecting? Remember how that Yellow liquid from the whale like creatures seems to have "magical" properties, making any human rich enough to keep buying it virtually immortal? I thought that whale creature was going to use that substance to revive or resurrect him in some way.
@@Zurround that is an interesting idea. Well done good sir/madam.
Neteyam protected Lo’ak sooo many times this movie, he also protected his other siblings he even saved his own mother too he slightly might have actually been the perfect son.
Jake was a bit too military in his parenting: by treating his kids like squad members with roles, he gave Neteyam a complex where he _has_ to save the family even at his own expense, and Lo'ak is always stuck in his shadow and trying to prove himself.
@@HowlingWolf518 He was a military officer in his early life and then was forced to use his previous training and knowledge to function as a military leader for his tribe because they were at war with the humans. He was forced to live the life of a military officer and it is a very encompassing mental state. Not something that you can just turn on and off like a light switch. I wonder if he will be shown blaming himself for his son's death in the sequel? Hell, had his son NOT made that sacrifice others in his family would be dead instead probably.
@@Zurround True. And since he was 500% more gung-ho, maybe it's a good thing Quaritch _wasn't_ around for Spider.
@@HowlingWolf518 I just posted on another thread that "Spider" was almost retroactive continuity since the first movie did not at all even HINT at Quartich having a romance with a female human (maybe the director's cut?) and what self respecting female human with any taste would want to sleep with a butt ugly, middle aged evil tyrant?? A human woman WANTING to sleep with a man like that is so damned unrealistic that it makes the rest of the story seem like a National Geographic Documentary.
Loak calls him the perfect son
Even as a 3 hour movie, it still feels rushed.
I bet there is a 4 hour cut that’s waiting to be released next year.
Petition for the Cameron Cut!
there was so much story and character stuff planned that not even a 3 hour movie could properly fit it all in lol.
Yeah yeah i felt rushed too 3 hours ain’t enough 🥹
@AgentMcLovin I heard the 9 hour was for Avatar 3
There has to be a 4hr+ cut coming out. So many scenes felt rushed and not fleshed out and even like that it feels like a masterpiece. 🫶
I hate those @$$H0LE$ who complained that it should have only been 2 hours and was too long. I missed a few minutes taking a leak but I knew that I would go back to see it probably 2 more times anyway so it was no big deal.
My only real complaint about the movie is that some of the plot threads feel UNRESOLVED. If they get resolved in some other way (novelization that goes into more detail, sequel that helps tie the story together, or if I get to see an extended director's cut) then I will apply that "fix" retroactively and then feel just fine about the movie.
I won't list them all but a big one for me is Quartich having a son. Nothing in the first movie made it seem like he was having a romance and what self respecting female human would want to sleep with that evil, disgusting man???
Tuk's line "I can't believe I'm tied up again" was honestly the best line in the movie!
I felt it was kinda highlighting how repetitive the plot was with the whole "capture sully's kids" three times
@@chaosdimension6433 exactly! So sad how someone thinks this is the best line of the movie, shows how flat the lines were compared to Avatar 1.
@@raphaelziegler2856 some avatar 1 lines were bad too
@@Natty5D okayyy? Not my point?
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Honestly, I loved the relationship between the Sully kids, even Spider. My favorite part was when Neytiti went crazy and brutally killed the RDA soldiers, that shit was awesome. One thing I don't understand is why Quaritch doesn't have the 3 scars on his head in the video log, yet he had them before he even knew Jake.....(Edit: Apparently I'm fucking blind even WITH glasses, because it was confirmed that he does have the scars...yay me.)
Despite this movie's issues, I'm still very excited for Avatar 3, and hopefully Cameron will focus even more on the characters rather than visuals ( not that focusing on the visuals is a bad thing because godamn this movie is the best looking movie I've ever seen and I don't say that lightly.) Oh and the music is beautiful and I'm actually glad they reused some of the themes from the first film to pay respect to James Horner.
@@joshisasjoshdoes8760 Yeah, way too big to go unnoticed.
he has them its just hard to see in camrip , u can see it when he looks to the right ..
@@camo7452 I'll rewatch and come to back to confirm, but normally they are SUPER noticeable.
@@crashbandicootnerd4321 It's been confirmed that he has the scars in the video log.
I hated sullys kids especially "wanna be Tarzan spider kid" easily the most annoying and cringy character in the whole movie
I believe kiri is a child of eywa which will be established in later movies as a living planet. Grace died mid transfer into her avatar body so maybe when they stated “grace is with eywa” eywa pretty much implanted graces consciousness into the avatar body as a baby. And since kiri/grace was one with eywa she inherited some abilities that’s why she can control and bond with the plants and animals
What you are describing (and I said something similar on another thread) is basically a form of REINCARNATION. I think she is actually the doctor and her visions where she sees the older doctor lady are flashback memories OF HERSELF, they are NOT in my opinion separate people.
Eywa nutted in Grace lmaoooo.
@@Zurround And When Kiri asked Grace about something Grace couldn't know, Kiri seized, Kiri was using Eywa to integrate with a past self well before Kiri was in a safe headspace to deal with the fact she had a past life.
Also Grace knowing what she knew and Jake not being born Na'vi but both linking to eywa may have spark a greater self awareness with their alien perspective allow eywa a unique chance at self reflection
Or a bio weapon. Eywa saw jake and grace's mind. It knows what was coming a prepare the planet
I agreed with almost everything you said here. I hope James Cameron pay attention to the feedback we are giving as fans. I feel that many of the story issues could have been fixed easily with minor changes.
Regarding Lo'ak. I think the reason Lo'ak didn't mentioned what he experienced with the tulkun to the adults is actually spot on, because this is exactly how kids or teens behave, they struggle to explain their reasoning.
The problematic thing is that its not James Camerons story anymore. He hired multiple story writers, which explains it not feeling as magical and orignal as the first one did.
Exactly! We need to remember, Lo’ak is a kid 14-15 year old (not sure).
I don't think your opinion is even close to universal by the fandom. Most people I have heard including myself, thought it was pretty much perfect. The author of this video feels like he's the type of person who needs everything explained and spelled out.
11:00 in regards to the viper wolves, Jake was alone and loud in the first movie. He was easy prey for pack hunters. Quaritch’s team, however, was a pack of their own. The viper wolves peeked out, sized them up, and left because a pack of viper wolves vs. a pack of “Na’vi” wouldn’t end well for the smaller predators.
Also they briefly talk about how pandora has created a defense mechanism against humans and since they aren’t human it might not attack them. Another example of this is when spider says the animal treat him differently when he is painted blue
Weren’t they also implied to be night hunters? Project Phoenix happened across them during the day, whereas Jake was being actively stalked and hunted at nighttime.
I hate how the recombinants in avatar 2 looked so freakin badass but lasted so little in actual action
yea they shouldve been a real force to be reckoned with i only felt that with Q
They were probably stronger and tougher than the Navi due to being GENETICALLY ENGINEERED and since they were once soldiers they probably had extensive martial art/hand to hand combat training.
@@Zurround ikr, plot armor really sucks
Same, like wtf. They’re supposed to be “very hard to kill”
@@fenixa2z936 very hard and also had military training, and lost against an archer…
i mean….. he’s either tortured or he rides with blue team, i feel like his choice makes complete sense
Personally I love Jake’s off-screen explanation, and I loved the moment in which he explained that after all these years know he understands Navi language as well as English, a smart explanation to the fact that even Metkaina speaks in English. Even if a complete film in Navi language would have been cool
Do you know what artistic license is? None of the Navi are really speaking English, its just what the movie viewers hear so that we do not need subtitles to distract from the screen. That was why their speech morphed into English at first. But what I am wondering is how it is that all the Navi speak the same language AS EACH OTHER. On Earth 400 years ago for example do you really think a Native American tribe in what is now California will have the same language as a tribe in Idaho?
@@Zurround I gave the same explanation, I was only underlying that they found a good explanation to justify a stylistic choice.
Regarding the variety of languages, I read that the Metkayina Navi is a bit different different than the Omaticaya one.
@@ZurroundBecause they’re all connected to Eywa. That’s how “all Na’vi know of Jake Sully story”
@@Zurround they're not really isolated. Eywa connects them all. So, it think they only have one language.
@@randomly_random_0 They have the same language but different accents is basically how it's been described, makes sense. Aussie, Brit, and American english is the same language but different quirks and word usage.
I'd wait for the extended cut. There is only so much time they had to tell their story the extended cut of the first movie expanded a lot more on the story.
I didn't think them knowing from the beginning about Spider's father was unrealistic - it wasn't that big a base and his mother did name him Miles, it would only take one person knowing and telling Jake and his inner circle. I honestly didn't mind, it prevented a Luke and Darth Vader moment.
And yes, Jake is way too hard on his sons in this movie, Lo'ak especially, but I would keep an open mind, his character ark is not done yet. He was a flawed father, yes, which is not that unrealistic - he was only 22 when became a father, we don't know what sort of example he grew up with and the entire movie he's stressed, first running a guerilla group, then trying to make it work in their new so they don't get expelled. There is room for growth.
And Spider is a teenager who grew up his entire life not really belonging anywhere - he probably isn't sure himself what he wants.
Spider was at least a year old when the deportation happened so if he was “claimed” it’s not unrealistic to know who the parents where.
@@lolaby2 exactly! The comics expand a little, saying who his mother was and sayimg he was registered as a "fatherless birth", meaning Quaritch was a deadbeat dad, but she named him Miles, its a small base and people talk. The dialogue in the comics hints that everyone knows, but they wanted to save the reveal for the audience in the movie
Trying to be a MILITARY LEADER when his side is the underdog and in constant danger is probably a major stress for anyone and being a parent with 3 children (4 of you count ADOPTED) is a big stress even during peaceful tranquil times. Raising children is never easy.
He is BOTH of the above. I could NEVER combine raising 4 children AND being a military leader during an ongoing conflict AT THE SAME TIME and to boot he is having to adjust mentally and physically to the fact that his human body is dead and he will never again be a human being which he was for the first part of his life. He has a lot on his metaphorical plate.
@@Zurround exactly! I've said this in another comment but the whole character ark for Jake in this movie is that he has been blinded by fear for his children and that led him to step down as leader and try to move far away and "retire", so to speak. He needed to have his eyes opened that this danger will only spread and nowhere will be safe soon - which he did, right at the end.
Also, it is plainly shown that he was not like that in peace time and he is hardest to the kids who are warriors, the ones who will need the skills the most.
Lo'ak's ark makes a lot sense if you consider that he IS the middle child, which has been proven in psychology (a degree no one in this situation has) that the middle children get the least attention, and are even scapegoated more - you can see at the end Jake's also had his eyes open in that regard.
Also Lo'ak is the most like younger Jake and the most human one - so there might be some feelings there where Jake can't quite face having a mirror held up to him like that.
It's understandable why Jake is hard on Lo'ak. The kid is reckless and impulsive and got his siblings and others in danger multiple times. Lo' ak doesn't really seem to understand this until the end of the battle, which is why he basically expresses that he thinks his parents think Neteyam is perfect and he's just a disappointment. I'm pretty sure that Jake is just worried about Lo'ak starting something that will have devastating consequences and he doesn't want him to have to carry such a burden.
After Kiri has her seizure and Norm and Max land at the village, there is a scene where Quaritch and the General talk about their radars picking up a rougue Samson heading towards the Metkayina Islands before loosing the signal, which explains how they know where the Sully's are.
RDA Quaritch saving Spider from Neytiri killing him is one of the main reasons why Spider saved Quaritch because it shows that he cared for Spider. While it may have been a dumb decision, I understand his point of view. I think Spider didn't go with him because of his horrible actions. While his siblings seem to care about him (especially Kiri), Jake and especially Neytiri don't really seem to care. Overall, it's all setting up for the third one, among other things. I have a feeling Quaritch will go through a Redemption Arc in the next few films because Spider and Pandora is changing him. (similar to Darth Vader) and maybe even at one point, he'll work together with Jake and the Sully family to take down the RDA. Who know where this story will go? But anyway, that is what I got out of the part of the movie.
I had a falling out with my own father some years ago. It is a long and sad story that I will not elaborate on here. However, if he was dying and I could save him without suffering permanent physical loss (for example kidney transplant) I still would. For example I would give him a blood transfusion if need be. I think he took the moral high ground to save his life but he was still shunning him in every other sense.
Apparently the interviews are hinting at Eywa manipulating Recom!Quaritch into realizing he's on the wrong side. He's definitely going to have to _become_ his enemy in order to beat them, just like Sarah Connor did.
Did you not see Jake hug spyder? Did you not hear him say "a son for a son"?
@@HowlingWolf518 Which interviews? I think this is an interesting way to go forward. If you look at the planet like a hivemind, Jake plugging in many times might have made him betray humanity. Maybe the same will happen to Quaritch.
@@CaptainQwazCaz Dunno, gotta click around to find one where Stephen actually gets to talk; IIRC there's bits and pieces in Jon Landau's panel.
I honestly believe the soul transfer thing that was attempted on grace actually worked, its just she sorta….gave birth to herself with the help of eywas’ influence. Seeing as Jake is male and wasn’t fatally wounded, he was able to transfer to his avatar body with no problems. I believe kiri is grace, just a new incarnation of grace or her soul or whatever way you wanna phrase it. She’s basically a direct child of eywa. Which would explain how she’s able to control the environment with the flora and fauna.
Great movie I’m glad avatar has such a dedicated fan base.
The reason of the creatures are not attacking the recoms but only humans is partly because at the end of the first avatar, Eywa has heard jake and helped with the battle thus the creatures of eywa are conformed to only focus on attacking the humans. Jake was attacked in the beginning of the first movie in his Na’Vi form because Eywa hasn’t heard and fully understand him yet therefore the creatures were still wild
You can assume that, you dont know it
Oh shit I never thought of that, really cool idea if this is true
yet they dont attack spider. That doesnt add up.
Same issue with the big fish trying to kill jakes son.
@@thebossman972 well i guess spider is part of jake’s family (like norm and max) Also the shark would probably be because it’s a different clan in a different part of pandora and Lo’ak does not belong there. But who knows it’s just an assumption
The main reason of why I think Jake acted like that to his children in front of the Metkayina, especially R'onal and Tonowari because of the psychology of father who asked for his family's staying in a strangers' place. Which had to respect the leader and his family or else they risked getting outcasted. I hope this help you understand the psychology of each character, a thumb up for me for this movie.
The thing that I didn't like about Amrita is, not only the fact that they drop the bomb that the substance stops human aging and don't elaborate further, but also that I don't want to justify the actions of the Tulkun hunters, but they are basically collecting the most important substance in the history of mankind. I'd have prefered that Amrita had a more mundane reason to be collected. For example, instead of saying that it stops human aging, they had said something like "Some rich people on earth *believe* that this can stop their aging. There's no scientific proof of that but they are willing to pay a lot of money for it so we are willing to provide". Not only aboids a huge lore bomb like that being forgotten like nothing, but also is more realistic since that happens in real life: humans killing endangered species for the dumbests of reasons.
The moment it was revealed that they kill tulkuns for this substance that stops aging was one of the most heart breaking moments of the movie for me. Just like the destruction of the home-tree is so devastating for me because of it painfully remainds me of what was, is and will be lost in the real world. Humans trying to escape death by stealing life from other creatures was kind of similar reminder. With the ending when Jake and Neytiri ultimately accept death of Neteyam, it builds very coherent message: each energy is only a borrow, not willing to return it, not accepting death will lead to disruption of balance, stealing life from others. And that's why Earth is dying. It was just the one line, but have profoundly impacted me.
He said that vial was worth 80 million (Not sure if its "dollars" or whatever but a lot of money I guess?) WEALTHY humans might live for centuries but ONLY very greedy and wealthy people.
@@Zurround This is true, the wealthiest people would sacrifice life of others to escape death. Not all humans contribute equally to that. Most would never have a chance to have access to it. To clarify, maybe I should add this to my original comment. For me it's allegorical for the real world where more wealthy people steal life from the poor, and future generations, by destroying the world we live in and, in consequence, denying possibility to exist in liviable conditions.
Great story arc thow makes the end battle the navi and the whale getting payback that much sweeter to watch i wanted all of them to die
I think they tracked the lab guys when kiri had a fit they went to assist jake they could only track where they were going on the planet not the exact island
@@Zurround sucks that those people are also the only ones who are gonna be able to afford moving to Pandora. They're the main cause of Earth dying and now leave it to continue sucking the life out of another place for their personal gain.
It doesn’t really make his character weak. He’s a kid, a gullible one. Ones he saw what they truly where. He knew which side he was on
The movie felt a little rushed in the beginning and I would've liked to see more of what happened but as soon as they got to the Metkayina Clan and the movie slowed down it was like a dream till the end, but more Jake and Neytiri would've been great! I really hope that there's gonna be an extended cut and a bunch of behind-the-scenes!
It was more like a revenge side quest of Quaritch with the introduction of the kids and the Metkayina Clan, we first needed to build a connection to all those characters so that they can focus on the big stuff in the sequels. It was the beginning of the whole Saga and because we now know the kids and the Metkayina Clan, they can focus on the rest of Pandora and the bigger war in the next movies! That's my theory at least!
I loved The Way of Water and I will watch it again and again in theaters until it doesn't run there anymore!
it's a spiritual movie, and it's about story of our ancestors and how we should be living in a right way with nature, and being righteous to protect our earth like na'vi do
ah I was waiting for this video! Got myself a snack and then watched it all the way through :)
You know how I feel/what I thought about pretty much everything haha so for once I don't have much to say.
I do think I can (maybe) "explain" something you wondered about at the 10 minute mark. Why the viperwolves don't attack the Recoms even though they did attack Jake in the first movie, as did the Thanator. I think you're conflating two "attack motivations" here.
General Ardmore refers to the banshees swarming the helicopters, if they spend too much time in the mountains, as an "immune response". It's what first happened at the end of the first movie: the wildlife responds to Eywa's direction, to attack the invaders. Apparently Eywa kept defending Pandora that way. It is this immune response that the Recoms do not trigger. This is visualized by the viperwolves not blindly attacking them.
When Jake got lost in the first Avatar and was attacked by the Thanator and the viperwolves, those were not examples of that "immune response". The Thanator and the viperwolves were simply hunting. The animals of Pandora still do this. They are still dangerous animals. As we see the banshee fight back against Quaritch when he tries to bond with it. The animals just won't do the swarming thing where they go in for the kill for no reason other than to defend Pandora.
I think if instead of a couple of viperwolves, the Recoms had run into a Thanator, it would have still tried to kill them as part of regular hunting behavior. And if it had been dark and a Recom had become isolated from the group, a pack of viperwolves would have attacked - as they did with Jake. Right now it was broad daylight and the viperwolves were outnumbered by the Recoms.
So maybe they don't show it the right way in the movie, to make this clear, but I don't personally see it as a contradiction or inconsistency.
And just like that, I still managed to have a lot to say oops sorry about that.
I can’t help but think that Quarich is going to have a redemption arc
He’s done with the RDA. He’s literally going to ignore Bridgehead and get lost somewhere at the beginning of Part 3. Mark my words. Probably meets a new clan, they take him in and he learns their ways. I just hope he keeps the high and tight haircut lol he looks like such a badass it’d be weird seeing him with any other hairstyle. And who knows, maybe he runs into a clan that also dislikes Jake Sully for whatever reason. Or maybe he helps another clan out in their fight vs another clan and they take him in. Also, I feel RDA brings in an Avatar played by Vin Diesel and he’s going to be the main villain of parts 4 and 5 because Quaritch probably has one more villain arc movie in him.
Of course he will he is now navi
As for the Viperwolf thing it's been pretty clearly stated that Pandora's developed a sort of "immune system" against humans, the arrival of wildlife to check on the recoms was probably more like the how RDA got swarmed in the last act of the first film, deliberate on Eywa's part and not a random encounter like with Jake
Next movie I hope we see more about the adults such as Neytiri, Ronal, Tonowari, Norm and that new Omaticaya clan leader, I can barely remember his name he was practically a cameo in the movie.
I'm looking forward for Avatar the Way of Water's extended cut and all the extended, deleted and unfinished scenes.
- I love Lo'ak's relationships with Tsireya and Payakan. He is feels kinda outcast with the latter, thus leading to the mutual understanding of each other. And I also like it how Lo'ak gets attracted with Tsireya upon seeing her for the first time and developes a crush for her, which Tsireya seemingly returns with similiar attraction. Their teenager romance seems to be build in the several weeks the Sully family spends with Metkayina, while it took from Jake and Neytiri whole three months to grow closer, bond and fall in love with each other. I also loved how Tsireya's feelings for Lo'ak make her more understanding and supportive towards his troubled soul due to his status as an outcast. Also, RDA and Quaritch kidnapping Tsireya, Tuk and Lo'ak into the net reminded me somewhat the kidnapping scene from Lilo and Stitch film.
- I was very shocked by Neteyam's death even though it was rumored already, because I so hoped that it won't be true until Neteyam got shot by Wainfleet during of his, Loak's and Spider's escape from the ship and his funeral was so sad and touching. 😢😢😢😢😢 But I was even more shocked by Neytiri's blind lust for blood when she slaughtered the Sea Dragon crew with such of violent berserk rage, and how she even threatened Spider's life after Quaritch took Kiri as a hostage.
- I also loved Spider's role here. He posses the firm and emotional loyalty towards Sully family and Na'vi in general to the point of standing up for them, but has a complex feelings towards the recom version of his true father, even if he is left disgusted by his antagonistic and cruel ways towards Na'vi. I'm not sure, but maybe Spider has a rather begrudgingly made though that perhaps there is at least some good in Quaritch despite everything he has put him and the Na'vi Sully through.
I loved the movie but there were to many things that i tought was missing.
1. The recoms barely had any dialogues and they got killed too quick and easy. Very dissapointing considering the hype and all the info about them before the movie even came out. They looked tough and badass but looked like ants in the movie.
2. 0 scenes on shown on earth! How!!!?? They could have shown how the venture stars depart from earth with the big lasers etc... Considering that they sent like 12 of them and that they was also new and improved. It looked like they just came for Sully (later explained that earth was dying and that they eventually wanted to colonize pandora).
3. I would have hoped that they would shown how Bridgehead was built. We just saw multiple venture stars for some reason de-orbiting as we know that they are not built for de orbiting. They could atleast have shown how they built it, with the new tech and robots they talked about, and if there were other bases because you could see venture stars scorching other areas far away. The supply maglev trains also does not explain were they were going or were they were coming from.
4. All in all, the beginning was waaaay to rushed in my opinion. More family scenes, maybe some scenes with Norm.
5. There were too many black screen transitions or whatever its called. It didnt suck you in for and exciting moment and it felt like very flat.
5. There were almost no Na Vi spoken, especially with the other clan and them talking to eachother. It just didnt feel right that even the navi chose to speak english.
6. Its a crime that they didnt talk more about Amrita and that it is the sole reason for RDA´s presence on pandora. Unobtanium was the reason on their long operation before they departed. And it was atleast explained in the first movie what it had for purposes. Amrita for me seemed like a game changer of a new plot and could be talked about more stating that it is so expensive and also what why they wanted to stop human aging.
The movie was awesome and a visual masterpiece. definitely a strong 8/10.
Glad to see your negative points are exactly the same as mine. The worst part for me was when I realized only the sully were still fighting and the metcayina just somehow vanished from the battle after the initial attack. It felt a bit odd. And those transitions between quaritch and the Sully's new life were not very great too. There's a time or two where I wondered how they could have close the scene like this when it felt like we were in the middle of something.
My only explanation for that is that it’s because Jake told Tonowari that he has to do it alone. Just him. I don’t quite remember the sequence of that scene so I could be wrong, but Tonowari probably was like nah fuck that and went back not knowing tseryia was with them.
it gets worse when you remember one of the main reasons they want to go fight is because they have the metcayinas chiefs daughter. shes still there in the end. but no one goes to rescue her or at least make sure that she is okay?
"Why did the viperwolves attack Jake in the first movie but not Quaritch and his team?"
I think the answer is that the attack on Jake was a normal type of attack/hunt against someone that's loudly bumbling through their jungle, while the attacks that General Ardmore describes are more focussed and dangerous, because Eywa is still mobilized against the humans in that particular area (the mountains), from back when Jake spoke to her before the final battle. So Quarritch might have been attacked by the wildlife, if they were seen as potential prey, but they wont be attacked in the way that the fauna attacked the helicopter fleet in Avatar 1.
Remember that fight with the kids when one of those Sullys got tail slapped that made me laugh I was like wtf😂
Maybe the water clan cant punch cause their arms too flabby 😂
I have to correct you on this, if I'm right! (24:26)
Despite it not being explained, I think they know the truth. First I felt like you but then I understood this. Payakan was responsible for their deaths because the tulkun don't kill and don't fight back (we check that when they are being hunted), and it was his idea to do that, resulting in their deaths much like Lo'ak caused that conflict by going to save payakan. It's not anyone's fault, but it is the moral code of the tulkun. Therefore payakan is considered a killer and Lo'ak eventually did the same. Which is sad but makes payakan and Lo'ak even more relatable!
28:52 Arm for an arm, fin for a fin
I think this movie was a great introduction to another part of pandora that we know nothing of. It gave us a little something but not everything which makes me wonder what the other movies will be like. In A2 it is well established that humans are here and many more are coming as Earth is dying off. The idea that your consciousness can be transferred to Navi body is terrifying. The idea that the Tulkan's brain fluid can stop aging making one almost immortal is also terrifying. Yes so many questions unanswered in A2 for a reason.
I have a feeling that spider will end up with Kiri as we see how protected he is of her. The way he looks at her and towards the end when he was helping her as the ship was sinking mirrors titanic jack and rose. Spider's motive was not really fleshed out. He seems wishy washy but I can attribute that to him being young and conflicted when confronted with his human vs Navi side. But Spider and Kiri arc will be later in A4 and possibly A5 as we explore who or what is Ewya and humans overtaking Pandora. I do believe A3 will focus more on LoAk. He will be burden with the death of Neteyam. He will blame himself for it which will lead him to be more of an outcast and seeking his own heroines journey. He will of course seek out Payakan for the adventure and tseirya will have to choose to go with him or stay with her people.
I actually liked it way better than the first one
Even with the smaller scale final battle it is a better movie. I just watched Part 1 back last night and though that to myself.
They DO explain how the base was built. As the blue soldiers come in, you see all these spider bots. They built the base and they build fast. The general explains it.
I just got done watching the movie and when I tell you I cried I literally cried it was beautiful ❤
Yeah, I don't think Spider actually got adopted by Jake until the very end ("A son for a son"). I'm not sure why they said he was their adopted son - maybe he will be in A3 and that's where the confusion comes from? A2 and A3 were shot together.
I think the viperwolves attacked Jake because he was alone and easy prey. The recoms were in a large group and heavily armed.
I think there is one scene where Quaritch says that Jake has "gone to ground", so maybe the RDA noticed that the raids stopped and that's why they assumed that he had left.
I get why Spider decided to go with Quaritch. The kid (he's only 15 at the start of the movie) didn't want to be tortured anymore.
Jake didn't know that it was Aonung's fault, because Lo'ak lied for him and took all the blame.
Theory: Kiri didn't meet Grace but Eywa in Grace's form (because Kiri herself is possibly Grace reincarnated). Whatever happened to Kiri also happened on Eywa's side of the connection as the Spirit Tree went completely dark. It's like both of them had a blackout.
Yeah, I hope they explain amrita eventually. This seems like such a game changer.
I agree with most of your points on the movie. The first two acts could really do with more time for character development. I cannot wait for the extended cut!
Yeah when I watched to the movie again I noted that he didn't adopt spider. He was a family friend/ cousin. With the death of neteyam he might get adopted or end up with kiri. A3 will be very grand
In 2009, Avatar bumped my al time favorite movie out of its top spot, The Matrix. Now 13 years later Avatar 2 has bumped it to number 3. I'm 57 years old and I plan on being at all the sequels.
I've seen Avatar 2 twice. I'm going again this weekend for the IMAX 3D. I agreed with your spoiler review...mooore story & character development. And I loved the movie.
I feel like literally all of your complaints are explained in the movie lol. I feel you’ve hyped yourself up so much and made so many “prediction” videos that when it didn’t happen in the movie you see it as a plot hole. But in reality it’s just not what YOU wanted to happen.
Im sorry but your comment is so stupid. He is stating his opinion about the movie, not sugarcoating it after hyping it up for so long. As him lot of people aren't just satisfied with pretty visuals and have high hopes about the story as the world has a lot of potential, so stfu and let him show his review of the movie.
The sea dragon was never mentioned verbally but in the bridgehead montage scene where Ardmore is explaining everything, one of the background scenes is *A* sea dragon being constructed in the background. It’s identified by a screen next to them, with “sea dragon” being written on it and also on the metal structure behind them.
It’s explained somewhere, I believe, that the wildlife is less inclined to attack Na’vi due to the way the planet doesn’t see them as a threat like it does the humans, it’s pretty explicitly told in the first movie that Pandora is effectively just one massive hive mind that allows the creatures and plants to communicate with each other and even the Na’vi all over the plant have that ability.
Spider even explicitly says that the blue he paints on himself makes him feel like he’s running faster and let’s him sneak past the animals, after the RDA’s attack on home tree, and the final battle that any human kicks the “immune system” of the plant making them a target, and is why the Blue Squad wasn’t attacked by the Viper Wolves.
Killing Tsu'tey in Part 1 was a mistake - if he was olo'eyktan instead of Jake, then the Sullys could come and go between clans as they please _without_ it feeling incredibly stupid.
Same, he didn’t need to die and then they didn’t even show his actual death in the regular release. Smh
Agreed. Jake was special enough already too by being Toruk Makto and the catalyst of the Na'vi victory over the humans. He didn't really need to become clan leader as well (and from a Na'vi standpoint it doesn't make sense either if you go off of pure practicality, because of the simple reason that Jake wasn't fully integrated into the Omaticaya culture yet; he did go through the rites of passage but he wasn't fluent in Na'vi yet and very likely didn't know all the customs and ways of the Omaticaya yet either. Tsu'tey grew up in their clan and thus knew all about it, he or even one of his fellow warriors would've made a better candidate). Tsu'tey did tell Jake that he was destined to be clan leader due to being Toruk Makto, but come on.
Author of this review didn't talk about Tarsem,which look like Tsu'tey- new leader chosen by Jake. Even Fandon doesn't speak more about him
@@torukmaktopoland I don't think we're going to see Tarsem again, he was just an excuse to get the Sullys out of the forest.
@@HowlingWolf518 that's sad...😪 and key argument why it was worth not to kill Tsu'tey
Seeing Neytiri crazy figthing was amazing😍😍😍
11:00 I think it was because Jake was alone and it was at night
What happened to Hell’s gate? It’s weird that the RDA didn’t reclaim that base, nor did we ever see it appear in the movie as far as I can recall.
we need an extended cut!
A lot of people act like this is the final movie and more things needed explaining. Perhaps some things can be saved for the next ones? And we don’t need everything explained like we’re dumb viewers. I like being able to think about things and coming up with logical explanations.
in the way that Anakin Skywalker’s father is more or less the force itself, and only having one physical parent, reminds me of the relationship Kiri has with Grace. Maybe Eywa blessed Grace with a child, and that’s why Kiri has special abilities to connect with the life around her
Things u misunderstood in my o pinion
1. The reason the Thanataurs attacked jake in the first movie and the reason they don't attack Quaritch and CO are completely unrelated. Quaritch and CO are being sent in because of the "Immune response" which is referring to Eywa hearing Jake in the first movie. Eywa is defending that entire area and never stopped doing so. This is why they haven't just flown into the Mountains and Blew High Camp to Hell and back. Thats why the RDA only has 10 minutes of airtime before they get Avatar 1'ed.
2. Quaritch and Spider being Father and Son doesn't have to be this "Luke I am your father" moment to be good. It's even implied that EVERYONE is Spider's life knows about Quaritch judging by Kiri's initial comment when they are at the camp. The main point is that DESPITE every logical point that they should hate each other, A Father and Son's bond goes deeper than blood. When Spider is with the Sullys, he is outwardly unloved by Neytiri, but when he is with Quaritch he feels like he is being useful and even loved at times. This of course fades a bit once Quaritch starts "War-Criming", but the point remains. No matter what happens they still FEEL a connection. To quote Neytiri from Avatar 1, "...Spirit is all that matters".
Once Spider gets Confirmation at the end that his Father feels something for him as well, He cannot let him die in front of him. He saves him, but doesn't owe him any more than that.
3. Quaritch and CO did NOT stop looking for Jake and the Sullys once they left high camp. They realised they can't just Go in and keep Yoinking his kids, so they decide to "Go Full Na'vi". This is for two reasons
Firstly Quaritch wants to utilize the Na'vi bodies him and his squad are now in. They tried going in with normal human tactics and they got clowned on by Two people. Giving everyone a Banshee to ride and whatnot makes his combat force more effective overall
Secondly Quaritch promises to Spider that he wont make him Betray Jake Sully, and he is genuine with that. He has Spider Indirectly help them (Being an Interpreter, "Helping" to get the Banshees) so that his son doesn't have his brain microwaved by the Scientists back at Beachhead City. He's keeping his son out fo harms way while still completing his mission of vengeance.
Once Quaritch and CO receive info on where a Rogue Gunship might have been (Somewhere far away from high camp) Quaritch makes the call that it must be Sully since the Omatikaya are the only Clan with stolen Gunships. Only THEN do they realise that they ran. If Kiri hadn't had that Siezure Jake's plan could have worked is the implication I got while watching.
4. Lo'ak could NOT have just Explained away Payakan's involvement in the death of Tuul'kun and Na'vi as "oh but he didn't kill any of them". There is a line from Tsireya after the meeting that explains why this is. Lo'ak tells her about what happened, but Tsireya responds "By the Tuul'Kun way he is (a killer)". Directly or not Payakan incited Conflict that resulted in the deaths of dozens of people's lives (Na'vi and Tuul'Kun). Tsireya Saying this confirms that the Tuul'Kun way is akin to pure Pacifism. Not only is directly killing Forbidden, if you take action that LEADS to killing you have still killed someone, However indirectly. Payakan is still an Outcast, and Lo'ak pretending to know more about the Tuul'kun way than Tonowari after he was just taught it wouldn've escalated the situation even further.
Thats all I got.
Personally I didn’t mind that there was no hype or dramatic scene about who spider’s dad was. That doesn’t fit James’ more realistic style. Spider and all the other characters know who his dad is, hence why they talk about it normally. It’s only us, the audience, who don’t know. We shouldn’t be so disappointed that it’s a casual conversation, because we have to remember that these characters have had lives off screen that we haven’t seen. I thought it was the perfect way to go about it, no unnecessary plot twists or dramatic moment; just a simple side comment by two characters who already knew that information
It would have been nice if the marketing leading up to Way of Water had leaned into the fact that Spider is Quaritch's son rather than treating it like a big mystery. We should have got interviews with Champion and Lang together openly talking about their characters being related.
@@charoleawood Nah, it was fine exactly how it was
I’m glad I don’t watch marketing or trailers. You don’t have any preconceived notions going in and therefore won’t expect things or be letdown.
This saga needs a human that is both a complete humanist (Loyal to humanity and not the RDA) and with solid argumentation for its actions. Somebody that sees the bigger picture of the crisis humanity is, while simultaneously acknowledging pandora and Eywa as a whole and not only for material resources/excessive consumerism's sake. Somebody that is laser-focused on its mission but at the same time is critical of the methods they're using to achieve said objective. Someone more cunning and less trigger-happy. Somebody that actually respects its rivals.
My personal choice for this figure would be one of a scientist/Engineer. But also a corporate agent for RDA with some military training.
He goes to Pandora to supervise the colonization efforts as a counsellor for the generals that plan the safety of the operation.
He's obsessed with both Eywa and Pandora's life, (maybe even a secret admirer of Grace Augustine). It's convinced that they're pandora's most vital resources (Even more than Unobtanium and Amrita).
He dislikes RDA's current methods of scorching the Earth and brutal submission of the local life and goes like a Rouge Inside RDA's ranks. Avoiding unnecessary loss of life while making advances to exploit the mineral and biological resources of Pandora for Humanity's sake (Even fucking over RDA in the process). Manages to contact Eywa as a human (Maybe a little genetic engineering would help) and negotiate/extort her for whatever she can do.
I suspect that Eywa is responsible for Pandora's dramatic overabundance of biological niches and adaptations. Maybe she can compute and design those, a capability that can help humanity develop a way to produce Amrita, Unobtanium and many other valuable substances without destroying pandora. And using a superluminal beacon to transmit this knowledge to Earth. Ending up in RDA's collapse as other companies/governments would be able to produce and outcompete RDA.
I would have liked more time with Quaritch and his team. The idea of bringing them back was really cool and its a shame that they're basically all dead before they had any character development.
Yeah, they had more characterization in the first movie as extras, then they do here as actual characters.
I wish they would have been able to actually do something before all dieing to a single archer going crazy
Lo’ak actually calls Spyder “cuz” quite a few times if you hear
Nobody in RDA thought about giving spider a shirt knowing he's a human
It was worth seeing in theaters. I cried a bit because of the beauty of the water scenes
Honestly Nateum's death felt natural to me. It's not some dramatic death, he died like a casualty at war. There was no joy in his killing, he died becuase he was the enemy, and that to me is more impactful instead of cinematically dramatizing how he died. It goes to show that the villains aren't some purely evil people, they were just doing their job.
As a son of a retired military person, that’s kinda normal with jake’s attitude
Ronal was a badass in this movie you see how she was pregnant and was like “I ride” to Tonowari I’m realising it’s because of her dead Whale sister it got soo personal for her
answer/theory as to why the anmials of pandora didnt attack at the beginning of the movie is that at the end of the first movie the animals of pandora thru ewayah fight and defend the navvi people the is a scene in the second movie where the viper wolves see the recons and they dont attack its cause they see that they arent humans but navvi
I don't think that Spider "flip-flops". I think that Spider saves his dad because Spider is a good person and doesn't want to be responsible for his own father's death, even though Quaritch is a bad guy.
Spider was my favorite character in the film, I don't think he ever is in league with the RDA, he's rebelling in small ways where he can throughout.
My favorite moment in the movie is where he picks up the fire extinguisher on the bridge of the Sea Dragon and starts wrecking house. I also laughed when he had to hide from Neytiri at the end, I was like: stay hidden dude! That mother is on the warpath!
Ultimately I thought that Spider was a very wise character.
20:25 eclips is not night time. night time is when the sun (or in their case alpha centauri A) goes below the horizon due to the rotation of the world. eclips is when centauri goes behind polythemus. a day-night cycle would be like sunrise -> first half of the day -> eclips -> second half of the day -> sunset -> night. it is like a solar eclips only it happens dayly due to polythemus being so large in the sky. eclips would be much shorter than night, but also be more sudden with barely any kind of twilight. on pandora it would also be much darker than nighttime since during the night polythemus would still reflect a lot of light from centauri which does not happen during eclips. the darkness would also depend on the current location of alpha centauri B, which is a second star in the system that would look dimmer than A from pandora but would still be many times brighter than the full moon seen from earth.
But we didn’t get to see enough bioluminescent underwater scenes.
I think the Spider thing they wanted to avoid "Luke I AM your Father" Darth Vader comparisons
I'll be honest there are a lot of comments I just find very weird in this video.
- About the General: Why does she need to be in the plot all the time? She served a purpose, Avatar is clearly already set up for a 5 film minimum, yes she'll be in future films but why is it a bad thing she didn't get a tonne of screen time when we already have Quarrich as the main villain?
- Viperwolves: Firstly they only attacked Sully at night, they also only attacked him when he was alone. No, the two Viperwolves on screen weren't dumb enough to attack 8+ Avatars. I always got the assumption that Pandora became more magical, but dangerous, at night.
-JuSt TaLk To JaKe: Sully was the leader of one tribe, of which there were many others. One can assume he would have a lot of pull though due to his exploits, but either way what would the Humans say that would change anything? 'Ah yeah man, Earth is dying (it already was in Avatar 1), sorry we burnt down acres of forest, have no respect for your planet, kill your animals and steal your resources, but we want to bring millions if not billions of Humans here. Sound good?'. What would Sully say? 'Ah yeah cool water under the bridge, them rockets that killed whole forests was kinda dope. Here come live right next to us we'll get along fine'. Silly comment to make tbh.
- Spider/Quarrich: Does it need to be a mystery that he was the father? I suppose it would have been an interesting reveal, but I'd hardly say coming out of the gate and making it obvious is a bad thing. It explains immediately why Ney'teri hates the kid, it prevents a long mystery plot that would be really obvious (who else would it be? There was hardly any named Humans in Avatar other than Quarrich and Selfridge who were on the bad guys team), and it comes into the plot later as a way to get Quarrich more in tune with Pandora by learning from the kid. You bring this up again later on how it should have been a mystery who Spider's father is, which I disagree and think would have just added more run time for very little pay off.
-Bridgehead: Whilst it would have been cool to see more of it, do we really need to? It's clearly a giant base, bigger than previous, with loads of humans. Would staying here do much for the plot? Not really. I'd rather see more of the planet.
- Unable to find Sully in the forest: It's pretty obvious they were looking for Sully in the forest, but they weren't able to know exactly where they are due to interference and such. Whilst they're searching for that lead, and whilst the Avatars are investigating and all that, they find out the lead that Sully/his kids are in the islands where the water Na'vi are. Sully leaving shows that Sully understands how dangerous the humans are. Would the RDA have found their tribe? Probably with time, but they stopped going that route once they knew he wasn't in the forests anymore. You bring this up again later, again, there is no indication they just gave up looking for Sully in the forest until they had the new lead and I'm not sure where you got that from.
- Kiri holding breath: Firstly she's off screen for a long time, she could have easily gone up for air. Secondly we know the sully kids can hold their breath for a long time and part of that is relaxing, slowing the heartbeat, all those lessons with the sea tribe. Kiri, the clear embodiment of Eywa, is pretty damn relaxed and vibing. She isn't in the water panicking or uncomfortable like the sully kids were at first. I do think that the fact that the Sully kids go 'yo, where tf is kiri?!' and then 10 seconds later completely forget worrying about her is weird.
-Lo'ak scolding: Yeah, it happens to much and really makes Sully look like a shit father to be fair. Why he didn't step up and do anything like you said is really obvious though, they're in a strangers home so apologise and look pretty so we don't get kicked out was the vibe of a lot of his behaviour even if it happened too much. Also the adults didn't know anything about the Whale or the Shark, at least when he was being scolded, which would have changed things if it was mentioned.
This is a pretty good ass movie.
I dug the family dynamic, and story.
See that Ash's clan is more interested in RDA technology and less connected to Ava. Maybe Quaritch would try to recruit them to replace the fallen recombinants.
I've been anticipating this film for 13 yrs, but I was very ill so I finally saw it yesterday. The first Avatar was the best theater experience I've ever had & was floored by the 3D. Avatar 2 was probably my worst theater experience, because I now wear glasses & the 3D glasses created a weird shadow over one eye. I felt like I was watching a 2D movie through sunglasses and a periscope. But I could still tell the CGI was so much better, the texture of the Navi was incredible. Overall, I thought the story/characters/music suffered a pretty big decline from the first; I wasn't moved emotionally the way I was during the original. The combat scenes were excellent, Neytiri was incredible, but she didn't have much to do for most of the movie. Kate Winslet's character seemed unnecessary. Quaritch was great; Stephen Lang is a brilliant actor; I completely forgot about what he looked like in the first film because he was so convincing as an avatar. I think there were too many characters & the story wasn't as focused and simple as the first. Jake being a paraplegic & restarting his life on a new world while falling in love was a great empathetic story. Maybe I'll try to see it again in a better theater. The sound in my theater was terrible; I could hear music from the next screening room throughout the entire movie, and the house lights came on during the middle of the film. But I gotta figure out how to make my prescription glasses + 3D glasses work.
I thought Jake's narration was him talking to Eywa. Since they give Eywa memories.
Just hearing complains here, it was a nice movie and will watched it again this week
What a grumpy lil fan you are
You really can't take criticism huh?
Why would it be a mystery who Spider's father is? The humans would have records of his birth.
Spider might’ve been to young for cryosleep but he didn’t need to be put into it imo. He would’ve been 6 maybe 7 by the time they got back to earth. Definitely would’ve sucked to grow up on a spaceship and then obviously they would’ve had to raise him. That also assumes there was crew switching between being active and being in cryo. He had good plot armor because of the role he had to play for Quaritch. Excited to see the role he’ll end up playing in the rest of the moves.
i thought that when norman went to help kiti was when the general realize that jake had left. because they detected the helicopter that norman used
I havent seen the marketing material that mentions spider being adopted by them but i do think he wasnt adopted by them untill the very end of the movie. After neteyam had passed and the battle on the ship was over, jake hugged him and said naytiri’s words “a son for a son” indicating spider was now under their wings. So i deffinetly think that dynamic will be very different from their other kids, especially when naytiri finds out spider saved quaritdch. So i dont think spider was supposed to be their adopted son for the whole movie, just the end. He had human foster parents on the base according to the comic atleast.
All the rumors leading up to Avatar 2: Jake and Neytiri have adopted a human boy.
Avatar 2 - Jake: And then there was Spider, he was like a stray cat. 😂😂😂
Spoilers! (duh)
Quatritch was hands down my favourite character to watch in this entire film.
Let me explain:
I knew he was stringing Spider along during the interrogation room scene, but I was hoping it wouldn't be the end. Every time he was on screen with Spider I was watching their interactions like a hawk. Facial tics and movements from hands. I honestly forgot it was an act and started looking for ways that he (Q) was being genuine.
SO
When Neytiri was threatening Spider and he practically disowned him, I was like WHAAAAT because the acting was THAT GOOD and my poor little naive butt bit into it. The first movie is like this for me too - every time I see the escape scene where Grace is shot, I keep thinking "if they're a little faster they got this," or "Trudy turn the ship earlier."
BUT THEN HE GAVE KIRI UP AND I'M LIKE YES HAHAHA FEEL FEAR AND A RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOMETHING BESIDES YOURSELF AND THE DRA MWUAHAHAHA
So... Quatritch... just.... I am most excited for him. "Want vs Need" for character storytelling and all - so far we have Want, but what is the Need... I cannot wait to see the upcoming internal conflict!!! AAAA!!!
Yeah, I love the irony that Quaritch became more human in this film. Also, you shouldn't need a spoiler warning, I recommend editing that and the space you gave out, this is already a deep dive spoiler video.
@@charoleawood Alright! I also thought of another thing, one of Jake's earliest lines in the movie: when he says Pandora is dangerous because it's easy to fall in love with it (if I remember correctly) so I am looking forward to any and all future inner conflict imposed on this guy XD
A scene that some of you probably miss was when the kiri and Neteyam are fighting over a toy. That toy was a carving of toruk Or The great leonopteryx. Also this is a little theory but, when jake and his family are leaving and he gives up his leader ship to some Navi. This Navi looks just like tsu'tey. So maybe that’s his brother or son but most likely not cause they would mentioned it but it could be true.
Also, Exactly how you feel about this movie is how i felt...
Overall I loved the entire movie, it's hard for me not to like something that James Cameron has put his heart and soul into. Sigourney Weaver playing the teenage Kiri was a bit weird, but personally I didn't really care. I don't think we'll see the kids stay kids for too long. Like in the next movie and onwards (lets hope and pray we get more after 3) I think we'll have a montage of where the kids are still kids, but then it goes to where they are like young adults. Maybe Jake and Neytiri will have another kid, not to replace Neteyem, but to have another one (besides I don't think birth control is really that much of a thing among the Na'vi, even with Jake). I also love all the characters and how the teenagers behaved like teenagers. I still kinda want a scene where we see a human mom and a Na'vi mom have a bonding moment over motherhood and how no matter the species kids are a lot to handle.
The scene where Jake gave up being Clan leader moved me. The Omataya became more than just a clan, they became his extended family and friends. I could tell that T'sutey's younger brother has a lot of respect for Jake, you can just tell it in the younger brother's face. Like if the comics are cannon, I don't think the younger brother holds the same type of anger or negativity towards Jake as his parents do. He did not want to outcast Jake and his family. I also kinda believe that Jake and Neytiri will be allowed to visit the clan when they want, maybe with some restrictions. I just don't see them being permnately outcast from the clan, Neytiri's mom is still there and I don't think Mo'at can go her whole life without ever seeing her only family member again.
I'll admit the scene where they first flew to the Metkeyna clan, Ronal kinda scared me. Also how Jake said it's not him you've got to worry about it's Ronal. However Jake promising they'll learn their ways and learn to be sea people seemed to win her over.
I'll fully admit I didn't expect Kiri to have a seizure under the water, but to me at least it makes sense. My reasoning being is Grace can't tell Kiri who her father is because I believe Grace had absolutely no knowledge that she had even been pregnant. I do however, believe that when they connected Kiri's Queue to the Tree of Souls was when Grace in the afterlife found out that she had a daughter or Kiri went to her sometime after. So when Kiri asked who her dad was that caused Kiri (and maybe even Eywa to a degree) to have that seizure. I still kinda believe Kiri is space Jesus, I honestly don't really care. It's not going to stop me from watching.
The scene when the Tulkuns returning really moved me. I loved seeing them reconnecting with their sea family. Also the scene with Ronal and her spirit sister really moved me. Which made it all the more painful when they killed her spirit sister and the calf. The RDA killed a child simply to just leave a message. I think I scared the people a few seats away from us with how feral I went when the RDA people began getting killed off and Neytiri went on the rampage. Got a little bit too into the movie.
Overall I think it's a phenomenal movie. I plan on seeing it multiple times.
I felt sooo bad for spider. You could tell he truly thought of the sullys as his family... and jake and natiri, neytiri... whatever. They didnt give a single fuck about him. He got captured and tortured and STILL didnt give them anything. What did jake and NiNi do? Leave him for presumably death and run away. "Family only" even tho they had no problem brining kiri.. possibly cuz she looks more like them. Jake and neyNey really became racists as soon as they could forget about jakes old life. Naynay even tried to sacrifice spider and he still begged not for hia life but for thw life if his siblings. They did him sooooo dirty in this film
The fact that Spider is Quaritch's son and everybody in the film already knows it is not so much a problem for me, rather the problem is that in the marketing buildup they kept this fact concealed and treated it like a big mystery. Everybody following along already knew that Miles Jr. Socorro was the son of Col. Miles Quaritch.
I think it would have added a lot if this were put out there in the open right away during the marketing buildup of the last month or so, have plenty of interviews with Jack Champion and Stephen Lang together, "So, Jack, what was it like to play this guy's son?" I think it would have helped people outside of the Avatar fandom to be drawn more into this new story.
The recoms remind me of the knights of Ren…hyped up, but ended up with little attention/killed off way too easily..I hope we get to see them again, but more badass.
One thing I've been thinking is what did the guy Kiri fed to the giant anemone do to deserve the worst death in the franchise so far?
Great Channel @AvatarTheory : I feel your being picky for no reason.. Jake clearly says at the end of the movie "A SON FOR A SON" As a person who was fostered at a young age, I don't think you picked up the Spider dynamic very well tbh! it's not like it comes up over dinner everyday throughout your childhood! He clearly looks after him as a father so it's more of that over being adopted at birth like Kiri!! 👍👍
I wish quaritch doesn't turn good in avatar 3.
why do you wish that? You want the same story for 5 movies?
Avatar 2 just 1 battle in a ship
Avatar 3 will be war between human and navi, and i hope navi lose to make the franchise more interesting.
20:03 well at this moment Lo’ak had said that it was his idea to go out and hunt beyond the reef and aounung had tried to convince him not to, so everyone thought that the whole thing was Lo’ak’s idea
I absolutely loved this movie, great review 😄
It would be nice to see Jake reflect on Earth dying and the humans going extinct. It is quite a moral conundrum to face
You: i want mystery, the surprise of Spider was ruined
Also you: Kiri's powers arent explained at all, they just happen and move on!!
Lmao
The viper wolfs didn’t attack Quaritch and his team because in the 1st movie the vipers made peace with the Na’vi at the end and helped in the battle. Neytiri bonded with one and it died while helping her
Sounds like we need to see the extended version 😅
I think it shows that this movie has 5 writers along James Cameron, compared to one for first one, J.C himself. Makes sense why it would not be as high quality.
jc isnt a writer and i think a2 is better
@@Natty5D Thats good for you mate! And yes, James Cameron is one of the writers.
1:10 That's an interesting thought. Maybe Jake makes video logs for prosperity in case the RDA successfully destroys Aywa and the Na'vi can no longer upload memories or see their ancestors. Maybe that's what Avatar: The Seed Bearer is about and Kiri somehow becomes the seed that restores Aywa.
4:00 I don't think the one-year time jump was needed. Why didn't the Ometakya people attack when the humans first arrived? Wouldn't they have been more vulnerable in Cryo? It felt like the Na'vi didn't do anything until after the humans were settled in.
10:16 I thought the Recoms would dress as Na'vi to further explore that theory since Jake was almost killed by the thanator and viperwolves, but nope.
16:56 I would have liked to see what happened to the Ometakya clan after the Sullys left. I felt Quaritch's interrogation scene with the Metkayina people would've had a more emotional impact if it was instead Norm, Max, Mo'At, and the Ometakya people and that's how Quaritch learns about Jake's whereabouts.
36:34 A few things could have been explained more or even vaguely alluded to possible answers that kept me thinking and guessing instead of feeling confused and lost.
37:52 The fact that they reused a lot of dialogue and shots from the first film frustrated me. At times I felt like I was rewatching the first film and it took me out of the experience.
I think the reason the viperwolves attacked Jake in the first movie was because he was alone. They didn't attack the recoms because there were a bunch of them. At least that's how I though that's how that went :/
Yeah, and Jake had also made fire. The idea is that by this point in the story Ewa is on full immune defense whereas in the first one she was more indifferent to RDA presence. So the immune response in Way of Water is not like the single pack of wolves who, on their own, hunted Jake simply as they would any available prey.
Definitely feel that avatar shows what could of have happened to our world by the government/higher ups in control shown as the RDA in avatar. 1st, at one with the world and nature , 2nd how beings came to the world (most likely not the first time) and take the look of the natives (skin walking, body snatching) to gain trust and intell . 3rd the beings having a plan to make a planet cyberpunk & robot controlled. Where they continue to repeat until they get it right. Also farming the natives (humans in our case) for the resources.
Its a shame my city dont have IMAX theater but even just with dolby 3D the movie was stunning.
Dolby is a step above imax
Dolby quality is the best and actually Cameron said it’s his favorite way for people to experience it. Because it’s the best visual tech in theaters today.
How they found them in the ocean is when they tracked a helicopter going to Jake to try heal Kiri