There are very few movie series I've ever watched that makes me so invested even after huge time gaps between sequels....Avatar is one of them and still feels like we're scratching the surface. Excited for what's to come and am sure all fellow Avatar fans are too.
As an Islander- the similarities I see in my culture that they decided to display in the movie I loved. Absolutely loved this movie and the beauty in the ocean and it’s people that they depict.
Im so sad that we will have to wait till 2025 for the 3rd movie i know its just another year we have to wait but i wish it could've been sooner, SO excited for it when it comes out
We were introduced to air in the first movie. Now we are introduced to water. He will either do earth(pandora) or fire next. He is moving you through the elements...teaching you witchcraft.
Im glad their is a content creator invested enough to dig and research for other Avatar fans the amazing world of Pandora! Thank you for all your hard work !
I know some people felt they were 'too close' to Polynesian culture, but as someone with Māori ancestry who is trying to reconnect with his culture (and people) *I* appreciated the positive community messaging with this particular tribe. Noble? Sure. Savages? No. They weren't perfect. They had their own hang-ups and mistrust (and downright bullying) of another tribe coming into their space. That's authentic. But what's also authentic is the acceptance of that other tribe. Taking them in. Giving them food. Training. And ultimately , respect. There's more nuance going on here that some people are missing. They are traditional (you could say to a fault at times), but they are about community. Family (whānau as we Māori say). And the Sully's became like family. That's totally authentic to the people that inspire this tribe and I thought Jim did a great job in giving them more dimension than simple "noble savages."
Did people have a problem with them being closely inspired by the Polynesian culture? I think Cameron deliberately wrote them to be that way since they r an oceanic people and the closest inspiration of such indigenous tribes in modern day would be Polynesian. Cameron has also said in his documentaries of the making of avatar that they took inspiration for the Na'avi from many different indigenous tribes, not just native American culture. They pulled from some African tribes too. And I agree that Cameron did far more than present them as "noble savages". Their ways and understanding of their spiritual deity shows that they have a far deeper consideration for life, existence and the balance/conservation of energy than that of the most learned scientist the humans have. I just adore this world Cameron built.
@@notoyaarthur1990 My understanding was that real Natives took issue with the fact that Cameron heavily borrowed from their cultures and made billions of dollars doing so, while almost exclusively casting and hiring white people to work on the film. As you say they "pulled from" the cultures of existing peoples - many modern Natives consider that to just be a new form of colonization.
I am soooo excited to learn about the Ash people in the 3rd movie. People wonder how these movies are over 3 hours long, but when you consider how complex and thought-out the world building is for every location and clan, plus the actual story, it makes sense.
@@lucasjohansson2158 I wonder if they are "evil" only because they are the Only Navi that Practice Agriculture and so moved beyond a Hunter Gatherer Society.
@@arnowisp6244 i wouldn’t say savages, because the reason why they are negative is because they blame Jake for the destruction that has happened on Pandora and blame him for the return of Sky People probably, they’re just like any other Na’vi clan, except they don’t favor Jake
The reason the Reef Navi didn't help in the first was because of many reasons: 1. They don't use flying creatures. 2. All their versatile weapons and fighting is made for water combat. Not air and forest combat like the first war. 3. In the amount of time before the humans invaded any further sully had to recruit those closest with him in the shortest amount of time not traveling for a whole week to get fish people to run in the forest for them
4. James Cameron hand't thought of them yet in his decade long wet dream of environmentalism wet dream. 1st movie; deforestation bad!!! Newbie learns ways of people that appreciate it and destory haters. 2nd movie; SAVE THE WHALES!!! Pollution in the ocean bad! Newbie family learn the ways of the people and appceicate it to destroy haters. Third movie guess; FRACKING & DRILLING BAD!!!!!!!! Family has to relocate again and learn new ways from dwarf ass Navi, and about how only nuclear energy is truly carbon neutral and sustainbale. I guess it doesn't help that James Cameron is such a low T beta bitch
Exactly, even if they arrived at the shores they would have needed transport to the battle because they dont have Direhorses which would have taken to many Navi which couldnt be used in battle.
@Tristan Bellamy he clearly states how he has heard what has been going on in the forest, but if you remember the humans were terrorizing the ocean just as bad as Jake and Neyteri were being in the forest.
Maybe the water clans dont have land mounts or flying mounts to go fight on land. traveling by water can only get you so far before you have to continue on foot. They might not know how to travel through deadly forests either
They don't, if a metkayina went to the omaticaya, they would have to learn their ways and learn how to survive in the jungle, their adaptations for the water would be more of a hindrance in the forest
My guess is that they don't go that far unless strictly necessary. They probably trade with cliff people we saw in 1st movie who live at the edge of the sea. Those guys seems to be biological forest na'vi, but they also kind of get the sea stuff, so i think that's where they bond and exchange stuff like shells from the reef for ikran hide
Of course they wouldn't be able to. Which is why forest people don't go to the water clans and vise versa. Both clans are adapted to their own enviroment and will stuggle to surivive if they swapped enviroments. They will have to learn the ways of the people who live there. Forest people won't be able to properly adapt to the ocean and oceanic people won't be able to adapt properly to the forests.
I noticed something about the reef Na'vi that I thought was interesting. But it kinda looks like their shoulders are slightly smaller, and have more of a slope to them than the jungle Na'vi. I assume it's to help them move through the water better. But man, the amount of detail that has gone into this universe is amazing. I really don't understand how people can dislike Avatar.
Tulkun, being based on Sperm Whales, in the sense that they are quite inteligent, have sonars, complex language(of sorts) might even have names for each other, and are hunted by humans for an oily yellow substance in their heads
i would think they are based on blue whales since they are pretty pacifist but defensive when they have to be. also tulkun is HUGE. sperm whales arent even whales they are dolphins and are small
@@teleportingpotatoe yeah, on size and appearance and the pacifism it would be blue or humpback whales, but their inteligence and the reason they are hunted rings sperm whales to me, after all pacifism was a choice to them, maybe before they made that bow to not kill, they could have had a different diet and way of living closer to dolphins.
The attention to detail for the Avatar universe is legit next level.... an I agree there homes are freakin amazing....I would definitely love to live in one of those
Youd love to live in one of those but what would you do to preserve this way of life??? Really? These homes and communities are LITERALLY based on real culture architecture from Indigenous Oceania.
Huh, I expected you to mention the influence of polynesian or maori culture as well, because of the tattoos or the haka elements when they wanted to go to war and the strong connection to whales, who are significant to the culture as well.
Really its not just the haka and tatau elements that you got right? The entire Metkayina clan is LITERALLY a mashup of Oceanic cultures.. E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G
I think their disappearance might be explained from the 10 minutes of gun violence james camron said he cut from the film because he didnt want to glorify gun violence. It might have happened during that final battle. We might see it in the special features of the DVD
What people forget about the fight in the first movie is that the Na'vi were still gathering as the humans attacked. Quaritch did say that when they wait another week or something like that the Na'vi forces will outnumber them. So they attacked to not be outnumbered, so it could be that the Metkayina were called and were on their way. But since they don't have Direhorses or Banshees, they would have to walk there.
I speculate that Eywa accelerated the evolution of the Navi to explain how they can have such divergent physiology amonst the clans, but it's also possible that Eywa instead controls epigenetic development and inculcates one unified language and tradition into all of the different Navi rather than messing with natural selection.
Or the beta James Cameron just wanted to virtue signal about multiple "climate cirsises" like deforestation and killing the whales from his ivory tower. Legit, if the next movie isn't about how mining for precious metals or fracking is baaaaaad, I'll be absolutely shocked.
@@g00bers24 So not wanting the planet to be destroyed and making art about it is a “beta” move and “virtue signaling”. Right. You sound like you are stuck in 2016. I hope you are single.
Mmm the accelerated evolution is likely due to how dangerous Pandora is. The weak die, quickly. And due to the unique environments the species have to adapt a lot faster than humans do. Additionally, they don’t use metal or stone, or wheels. That’s why they have to adapt to their environment so specifically, humans would’ve likely done the same had we not ended up using technology and metals.
I feel like the story reason of the Metkayina didn’t help in the war (besides them not existing at the time lol) is because them and their animals would’ve been helpless in the forest and it would’ve been the same situation of the Sully’s learning to adapt to their home
I love how diverse the Metkayina Clan and the creatures and species that live nearby them are. I always felt interested in the songcord thing, only to be disappointed that it wasn’t a more notable thing in the movie, given how it was one of the first things I hear in the movie, giving me the impression it will play some major part in the story. While I have little to no knowledge with sign language, I love that this was being used in the movie.
An entire sequence where they regroup with the Metkayina during the final battle was shot, but ultimately cut from the film to stay focused on the Sully family. I suspect the original cut of TWOW was much longer, but had to be trimmed for theatrical release. Hopefully we’ll see some of those scenes put back in someday.
I was wondering what would happen if a na'vi got curious and went to see space. Would it break them or would they be amazed and think of it as an extension of eywa?
Metkayina are so cute imo like they just love decorating things and being so peaceful and the way the protect their brothers and sisters is just ugh adorable
It honestly make sense for why the metkayina did not fight the RDA in the first movie as they are water based, they would’ve be greatly out of their element to fight on land in the forest (most likely tho James didn’t have them in mind when making the first)
Years ago when the 1st movie dropped I've been wondering if the species had any bad apples cause it would make more sense cause there's individuality and it would definitely be much more interesting. Glad it seems that the 3rd will explore this.
I heard that theyre gonna be presented 'negatively'. Not sure if theyre straight up villains or just antagonists that resent Jake and just looking out for themselves but arent evil
@@koopa5504 avatar filmini sevmek neden çocukça olsun? Aksine eğer kozmik bilince biraz da olsa bağlıysan ne anlatmak istediklerini az veya çok anlayabilirsin bence.
Having watched the film a second time... I can say with certainty that the Metkayina abandoned the final battle (after their kid was rescued) because they were there solely for that, and to avenge the Tulkun. That means once that fight was over, they had no business being there. That fight was between Jake and Quarich... and considering how reluctant they were to take the Sully's in, as you highlight in your video, it actually makes a lot of sense.
Everyone talks about the Metcayina leaving the final battle but the battle was won quickly, the boats, mechs and mini-subs were destroyed and the Sea Dragon stranded, there was no reason to the warriors stay, but i think Tonowari should appear in the final moments in the ship, but did not return to rescue his daughter. I understand that Cameron doesn't want anyone outside intruding on the "family moment" and figh with Quaritch but causing this narrative problem, perhaps in the extended version of 9 hours these ideas or moments were shown but now they were lost.
Future Timeline Theory In Avatar 3: Seed Bearer (9 hours film -> Cameron confirmed this), Jake rallies the Na'vi Clans (Forest Clans, Sky Clans, Ocean Clans) to attack Bridgehead. The battle was huge and massive taking down many RDA Recoms, SecOps, and colonists in the process. The RDA manages to win against the Na'vi but took a lot of damage and casualties in the process. It wasn't until the RDA received support for a Na'vi Clan called the Ash Tribe. The Ash Tribe are Na'vi who live in volcanic and desolate wastelands on Pandora. The regions they lived in were a result of an ancient war between the Na'vi between those who are Indigenous and those who desire to create massive civilizations. The Indigenous Na'vi won but they spared their enemies who eventually grew to become the Ash Tribe. The Ash Tribe will help the RDA colonize Pandora in exchange for learning human technology, science, and other things. General Ardmore is concerned but she agrees to form an alliance and orders Recom, led by Quaritch, to keep an eye on the Ash Tribe. The Ash Tribe's help led the RDA to score victories against the Na'vi forcing Jake to strategize in defeating the Ash Tribe. Over time, the Ash Tribe learn human technology and science as well as how to reproduce them using the resources on their lands. However, Quaritch learned of the Ash Tribe's plan to betray the RDA which forces Recom to work with Jake to defeat the Ash Tribe. It is later learned that the Ash Tribe have no desire to conquer Pandora but rather improve their clan's lives through the use of human technology and science. Despite this, the Ash Tribe does not trust the Sky People (Humans) after hearing about their various genocidal acts. The conflict is later resolved. Avatar 3 will also probably focus on Quaritch and his redemption into becoming a better father and SecOps leader. The RDA does not always operate in Pandora as they try to also find other suitable worlds to colonize because of Na'vi hostility due to the RDA's war crimes on Pandora. They find different worlds but find none of them habitable until they discovered a world once inhabited by the Na'vi who looked more advance than the Indigenous Na'vi we see on Pandora. The RDA SciOps questioned the Na'vi's true history, how they moved to Pandora, and how they evolved to be able to bond with Eywa and Pandora's wildlife. Avatar 3 is likely the climax of the Avatar Series before we move on to Avatar 4: Tulkun Rider and Avatar 5: Quest for Eywa. The main character for Avatar 4 is likely Lo'ak who helps the Metkayina and its future clan leader, Ao'nung (Tonowari's son). The Metkayina with Kiri's help will be guided by Eywa to enter a Hidden Sea (similar to Aquaman's Hidden Sea) only accessible under the ocean. The Hidden Sea is where Kiri can properly communicate with Eywa with Grace, Neteyem, Tsu'tey, and Sylwanin (Neytiri's sister) guiding her. Eywa will teach Kiri more about Pandora and how the world's Flora and plants can save Earth. Thus, a quest is formed to save Earth thus resolving the Na'vi-Human conflict once and for all in a peaceful way. The story continues in Avatar 5: The Quest for Eywa. Neytiri leads the quest with the help of some of her family members, Norm, SciOps, and Quaritch. They will travel to Earth to heal the planet from its environmental degradation and damage. There will be conflict as RDA profited from Earth's degradation. However, Earth is now a wasteland with most of humanity's civilizations, cities, and homes wiped out. It is now an apocalyptic world now ready to be rescued by the people (Na'vi) they oppressed on Pandora. REGARDING METKAYINA We will likely get to see more of the Metkayina and how they play a role in Avatar 3 and Avatar 4. It will be interesting as the Na'vi Ash People represent fire while the Metkayina represent water (Way of Water). Let us see how the Ash People's Way of Fire contradicts the Way of Water.
the four elements as earth, water, fire and air always work nice for setting up mayor themes, fith is of course quintesence, where all comes together and is fitting for Quest for Eywa. but I must add that a tecnical advanced culture is rearily if never been reformed by a technical less advanced culture. the effects of he Beatles hugging Indian philosofy had next to zero effect on western culture. All kind of flower powery and transsedentalism stayed pretty fringe. Where the side effect was an increase in drugsuse and addiction, not pariculary a benifitial effect on society. In stead of healing the degraded Earth as suggested in your Quest for Eywa, it more likely could have the effect of an increasing of narco statehood. But speculation and theorising over Avatar movies to come is always fun.
I’ve been rewatching the Kiri video you made ever since it was released and I’m still so obsessed with it like I watch it at least a couple times a day lmao so I’m so glad there’s more to be discovered and learned about pandora and the na’vi who inhabit it :3
Orca Whales have dialects that variates from Family to Family. They also have a very high social and emotional intelligence. And now ask you again why we put those living beings into small pools to stare at them like stupid freaks.
Very educational video can’t wait for the part two. Can’t wait and see what Avatar 3 has to offer with introducing a hole different new tribe and their way of life 🔥🔥
Haha I know they disappeared in the end, but there was a pretty good reason. Their kid was rescued, the only remaining ship flipped over and everything was sinking to the bottom. Believe it or not but it isn't safe to swim over a large sinking body. But it was definitely unceremoniously portrayed lol.
Even if I wasn't a super fan of the avatar movies, your video would still intrigue me to find out about anything avatar related. However, on the fan note, I love how the character designs not only stay in tune with the ideals of the Metkayina (or Omiti's [abbreviating cuz can't spell]) but also reflect who those characters truly are in rank and personality.
The thing about the Metkayina not being at the battle is explained pretty easy, they couldnt be there in time. They dont have ikrans so theyre only way to travel is by ilu and Skimwing or by boat which is not really fast. Then they would also need transport from the shore to the battle because they dont know how to ride Direhorses. Overall even if they wanted to fight at the battle they simply couldnt arrive in time.
I think the reason the Metkayina clan didn't join the war, at least in the first movie, is because they were completely out of their element, the battle took place on Icran and Direhorce back, two creatures the Metkayina have no access to, so they couldn't fight even if they were told about the toruk macto
Why does no one care about Ian Garvin. You can tell that it hurts him to work for the RDA, but he needs it for something. I would have liked to see him escape the battle and go to the metkayina and ask for forgiveness or something
Can you make a speculative video about Na’vi Morphology and what exactly adapts the Tree People to the Jungles and other Temperate Terrestrial Zones vs the Reed People to the Islands, as well as other potential Biome Adaptations for the Na’vi; like the upcoming Ash People or go off some of the biomes that Cameron mention where other Na’vi are living, like the Desert or Tundra.
the tulkun being pacificts remind me of the blue whale, which is by the way the biggest animal to have EVER live on earth. (yes, prehistoric premordial time included) so, anything trying to fight blue whale even like 100 orcas at once dont have a chance, whales have so much more MUSCLE than anyone guesses so it can just bitch slap around anything around it and it would just die. Also, a fun fact that whales ONLY eat as much as they need to sustain themselves.
When it comes to why the metkayina weren't in the fight at the end of the first movie, what would they have done, they are built for the sea and they're skills would be useless in the final battle where it was only the air and ground battles happening.
Ngl I thought this was gonna be a pretty educational video about the water Na’vi albeit dry with someone just reading off a bunch of facts but your presentation skills mixed with editing and good humor really elevated everything. Great work!
This video was so helpful in understanding more about the Metkayina clan! I really liked this and it was enjoyable and fun thank you for doing the research to make this!
The Tulcun have art?? How does that work? No hands. Just fins. So... they... push rocks around on the ocean floor and make lovely and interesting piles, fractals or something? It's kinda hard to swallow. No pun intended.
There are many arts that don't require physical objects or opposable thumbs. Music, stories, poetry, and dancing come immediately to mind, but there can be other stuff.
@@sillyjellyfish2421 Yeah I think all those other things are mentioned separately from "art." They're plausible. I'm trying to recall whether the narration in the film itself mentions "art," vs. song, etc.. I think it does. Anyhoo, they're separately mentioned here. Fact is, the movie presents a boatload of interesting ideas without supporting them in the story. No one can deny that it's lovely to look at. The effects are spectacular, truly. But gosh I wish they'd done a better job with the writing. As slim as A1 was story wise, it was a little better in that department.
My idea as to why they didn’t call upon the metkyena didn’t come to battle against the RDA is due to the fact that they are water fighters and all their creatures are water based which would mean their skills and war tactics would be pretty useless in the jungle and that’s why they weren’t in the first
@@Teag_Brohman15 yes.. I am very AWARE of who Kate Winslet is... Ty for clarifying that. Haha But she is still an "actor" ..acting.. pretending. As a fictitious character. In a fictitious world... Of fictious sentient beings. It's imaginary. She didn't take someone's job. I'm sure her casting was based upon her abilities and nothing more. One could use the same argument but in reverse for the new casting of Ariel(..which I love btw! And can't wait to see. ) I just think casting for fictious roles like this... When a person's appearance can be made into a totally new race of beings.. could be played by anyone. They are not human. Ppl are simply overreacting.
@@Starr_Apathy I understand where you're coming from and I do respect that you're not being an ass about it. where I'm coming from is that it would've been nice if Ronal was played by a Māori actress. considering that Tonowari was played by Cliff Curtis (whom is Te Arawa and Ngai Hauiti).
This is probably a bit unrelated to ATWOW, but I really wish we could see more about Mo’at, and I hope we’ll eventually get to see Neytiri become Tsahik. When Avatar 1 came out I was 12 so I didn’t really pay too much attention to Mo’at, but later in the years I noticed details like her hair. It’s so peculiar, she has bigger braids on the back of her head, but the coolest thing is her queue (I mean the long braid with the neural connection, I think it’s called queue), cause it’s basically split in half, goes around her neck and then reconnects into one in the front. I’m pretty sure it is for easier and more immediate access to connections with everything, but again, how cool!
kudos to you and all of your efforts to do proper research about the avatar and explaining it to us the clear way! big respect to you sir! thank you so much for letting us know from every smallest details to bigger pictures!❤️ p.s. the song chord really got me like i wanna have one too hahaha
18:44 I disagree that the skimwing is a "crocodile" or similar to an ikran... It obviously based upon a garfish mixed with a flying fish. I would consider it to fully be a fish, breathing water not air, etc.
I wonder if the tides were higher back in the first movie. Making the reef people much farther back therefore the distance wouldn’t have been so simple and why they didn’t join in the original battle.
When I saw Cameron's first _Avatar_ movie in theatre, certain themes and core plot elements (like a planetary consciousness archored in giant trees on a jungle-covered planet; an Earth corporation trying to exploit the resources; the memories of the natives living on in the trees after their deaths) of the Pandora setting strongly reminded me of Alan Dean Foster's scifi novel _Midworld_ (first published in 1975, part of Foster's _Humanx Commonwealth_ universe setting), even though the story and characters are different and there is no equivalent to the Avatar bodies in _Midworld_ novel. And now some plot points from _Midworld_ which were missing from the first movie pop up in _Avatar: The Way of Water,_ like an immortality serum created by harvesting a part of the planet's biosphere that is an integral part of the planet's consciousness. Not sure if James Cameron ever read Foster's novel. Foster was pretty well known Scifi author in the 1970s/80s.
One thing I don’t understand is when Kiri went to save Tuk and Neytiri, why did she only take one gilmantle when she past a few (at least three)? Why didn’t she take multiple since she was going down to save her family in the sunken ship?
I think it’s because Tuk was better at holding her breath. Kids are better at learning new skills than adults are so Neytiri probably wasn’t as good at holding her breath.
@@sukifortier1614 but when Kiri went down there, she didn’t know who in her family she was going to save (or maybe she did), but what if she ran into Jake instead.
@@hA-bw3nk I assume it's because she could only connect to one of them, the Navi are never shown to bond to multiple things at once. And if she tried to hold any it would be difficult to swim. Why she didn't control any more with her mind is up to interpretation, maybe that species is too intelligent for her to control. Overall I think it's easy to excuse
@Bryce Edward Brown Aonung in my opinion isn’t a bad guy he just lets his teenage hormones get the best of him and causes him to act out in a disrespectful and aggressive manner also Aonung As a teenage Metkayina he hasn’t lifted his loincloth and explored his reproductive organs under it (I know I shouldn’t be saying that but I’m making a point) like most teenage Metkayina might have done Aonung has the face of his father Tonowari meaning Aonung has Tonowari’s genes Another thing that I want to point out is that Aonung’s friends were taking advantage of Aonung and making him disrespect and upset the sully boys causing the fight. Hopefully in Avatar 3 Aonung would of got his Tulkuns in a line and grown and matured into a young strong man just like Tonowari his father
After watching a good bit of Avatar lore, I've realized something. I want a game from the human perspective. And not from the perspective of someone who will immediately betray their own species, either. No, I want a game set on Pandora where you can make your own choices. You could always pull a standard human "good guy" move and betray your own species after being with the Na'vi for a while. Or... You could venture far and wide across the Pandoran landscape, both as a human, and in a Na'vi body. See the beauty of the alien landscape, undergo the ritual of Iknimaya, soar above the floating mountains and bathe in the refreshing air, before coming back, and bonding with the Ikran further. Later on, getting a chance to connect with the plants and hear the voice of the planet itself. And as you stand before Eywa, looking at the culmination of the planet's life and biomass, you say only one word to the entity. "No." That's what I want. A game with choices. A game where you can end up doing more environmental damage than the rest of the RDA ever could, or wipe their outposts from existence, and exterminate the invading humans as though they're a plague. Sure, I'm describing two polar opposites, but I would also love some morally grey characters and scenarios too. Humans that are sympathetic, Na'vi that are questionably moral. Subversions of what's in the movies. Maybe even call into question whether or not Eywa can even be trusted. Is it actually the planet? Or is it just a highly advanced neural parasite? Things like that would be amazing. Of course with some sprinklings of horror here and there, since Pandora isn't exactly the most friendly place to live.
I've seen some people in the comments try to theorise why this clan didn't help in the first movie, but the reason is really simple. It wasn't their problem. They weren't at risk, why would they put themselves into it?
and it didn’t look like Jake and Neytiri flew to them, and even if they did off-screen you’re exactly right. By Ronal’s reaction to the Sullies arrival she definitely wouldn’t allow her clan and family being in danger over a fight that doesn’t even involve them
I love this video. But I have to point out that the Metkayina do not have the same exact mindset as the Tulkun. Tonowari says in the movie that the murderers of Roa (a Tulkun and Ronal's spirit sister) "must die, here, today". Implying that the Metkayina have the intention of acting out revenge on the sky people. I don't think that's morally bad. Just an inconsistency.
Fantastic wrk🎉🎉🎉I’m glad u put as much effort as u do in the videos cus of how descriptive they r and u r a big reason as y I love the avatar universe cus I found out so much abt their lore heavily cus of u. Also wanna add on how is it possible 2 get all this information!?🤔
How could the Metkyina have actually been expected to (1) fly their FISH 300 miles, and then (2) fight in the TREES, with (3) heavy spears..? I can't blame them for not being at the battle... 🤷🏿♂️
They could not help in the battle against Hells Gate because there is no ocean nearby. Any they are ocean people, so they cannot just go and walk there without their main transport animals which are all aquatic.
I think the Metkayina weren’t called on to help during the Assault on the Tree of Souls because they just wouldn’t have been useful in that fight. Cause it took place in the forest and mountains and they’re reef people
they created a very intrigring tribe of Na'vi with the Metkayina tribe, but I wished they went for a different design of the forearms, instead of this kinf of seal fluke, maybe a rigde of spines with connecting tissue would look nicer. although this flukelike limb is better based in possible evolution. that is in my opinion not the case with the tail; it is crocodile like moving sideways where one might expect and extention of the spinal cord to move up and down like in dolphins. but maybe here the choice was esthetic as a flat beaver like tail would look plump on the reed slender creatures. Neverthe less eager to see new creatures in the third movie and new variation on the Na'vi anatomy.
fun fact: the metkayina also have flares ribcages which would help them with their breathing and holding their breath
-unlike the omatikaya
There are very few movie series I've ever watched that makes me so invested even after huge time gaps between sequels....Avatar is one of them and still feels like we're scratching the surface. Excited for what's to come and am sure all fellow Avatar fans are too.
this is INSANELY informative. i learned so much, thank you !!
I'm very happy to hear that!
As an Islander- the similarities I see in my culture that they decided to display in the movie I loved. Absolutely loved this movie and the beauty in the ocean and it’s people that they depict.
Im so sad that we will have to wait till 2025 for the 3rd movie i know its just another year we have to wait but i wish it could've been sooner, SO excited for it when it comes out
Amrita is the essence of immortality in Hinduism, in Sanskrit. Avatar is also a Sanskrit word for rincarnation .l
We were introduced to air in the first movie. Now we are introduced to water. He will either do earth(pandora) or fire next. He is moving you through the elements...teaching you witchcraft.
I HOPE THEY SELL ILU PLUSHIES CUZ THEY'RE SOOOO ADORABLE 😭😭🥺🥺
@24:57 same here with everything 🤣
EXPLAIN THE ZESWA PLSSSS
cant wait for a Earth, Fire Clan
I think the treepeople, the Omaticaya were the Earth Clan
@@kamion53 Mhm, well If it is what it is then i'll wait for the Way of Fire ( Good Na'vi vs Bad Na'vi Action plot scene)
Im glad their is a content creator invested enough to dig and research for other Avatar fans the amazing world of Pandora! Thank you for all your hard work !
None of this exists, like at the end of the day all of this does not matter 😂
@@DavidGarcia-bu4co Okay? and?
@@DavidGarcia-bu4co 🗿
@@DavidGarcia-bu4co just how you are currently are, you're just borrowing the atoms that make you, after you're done you'll be absolutely nothing
@@DavidGarcia-bu4co Same can be said about real life too tbh. Does any of it matter? Let's just enjoy what we love and what we have while we are here
I know some people felt they were 'too close' to Polynesian culture, but as someone with Māori ancestry who is trying to reconnect with his culture (and people) *I* appreciated the positive community messaging with this particular tribe. Noble? Sure. Savages? No. They weren't perfect. They had their own hang-ups and mistrust (and downright bullying) of another tribe coming into their space. That's authentic. But what's also authentic is the acceptance of that other tribe. Taking them in. Giving them food. Training. And ultimately , respect. There's more nuance going on here that some people are missing. They are traditional (you could say to a fault at times), but they are about community. Family (whānau as we Māori say). And the Sully's became like family. That's totally authentic to the people that inspire this tribe and I thought Jim did a great job in giving them more dimension than simple "noble savages."
I hope that somewhere down the line we get tribes inspired by the cultures of Australian natives
Did people have a problem with them being closely inspired by the Polynesian culture? I think Cameron deliberately wrote them to be that way since they r an oceanic people and the closest inspiration of such indigenous tribes in modern day would be Polynesian. Cameron has also said in his documentaries of the making of avatar that they took inspiration for the Na'avi from many different indigenous tribes, not just native American culture. They pulled from some African tribes too. And I agree that Cameron did far more than present them as "noble savages". Their ways and understanding of their spiritual deity shows that they have a far deeper consideration for life, existence and the balance/conservation of energy than that of the most learned scientist the humans have. I just adore this world Cameron built.
Also Cliff Curtis who plays Tonowari is Māori
@@notoyaarthur1990 My understanding was that real Natives took issue with the fact that Cameron heavily borrowed from their cultures and made billions of dollars doing so, while almost exclusively casting and hiring white people to work on the film. As you say they "pulled from" the cultures of existing peoples - many modern Natives consider that to just be a new form of colonization.
@@Val17282 until that day comes im happy with our close neighbours culture being shown
I am soooo excited to learn about the Ash people in the 3rd movie. People wonder how these movies are over 3 hours long, but when you consider how complex and thought-out the world building is for every location and clan, plus the actual story, it makes sense.
I bet that the "Ash people" live near volcanoes, where the soil is more fertile
@@lucasjohansson2158 I wonder if they are "evil" only because they are the Only Navi that Practice Agriculture and so moved beyond a Hunter Gatherer Society.
@@arnowisp6244 james cameron said that the ash people would be revealed in a ‘negative’ way
@@viivv6230 So Savages.
@@arnowisp6244 i wouldn’t say savages, because the reason why they are negative is because they blame Jake for the destruction that has happened on Pandora and blame him for the return of Sky People probably, they’re just like any other Na’vi clan, except they don’t favor Jake
The reason the Reef Navi didn't help in the first was because of many reasons: 1. They don't use flying creatures. 2. All their versatile weapons and fighting is made for water combat. Not air and forest combat like the first war. 3. In the amount of time before the humans invaded any further sully had to recruit those closest with him in the shortest amount of time not traveling for a whole week to get fish people to run in the forest for them
4. James Cameron hand't thought of them yet in his decade long wet dream of environmentalism wet dream.
1st movie; deforestation bad!!! Newbie learns ways of people that appreciate it and destory haters.
2nd movie; SAVE THE WHALES!!! Pollution in the ocean bad! Newbie family learn the ways of the people and appceicate it to destroy haters.
Third movie guess; FRACKING & DRILLING BAD!!!!!!!! Family has to relocate again and learn new ways from dwarf ass Navi, and about how only nuclear energy is truly carbon neutral and sustainbale.
I guess it doesn't help that James Cameron is such a low T beta bitch
Exactly, even if they arrived at the shores they would have needed transport to the battle because they dont have Direhorses which would have taken to many Navi which couldnt be used in battle.
You forgot reason 4...
They were mighty angry that Jake brought this upon them.
So how the fuck did Jake and Tonowari already know each other?
@Tristan Bellamy he clearly states how he has heard what has been going on in the forest, but if you remember the humans were terrorizing the ocean just as bad as Jake and Neyteri were being in the forest.
Cameron: "You can't walk with webbed feet"
Ducks: "Pathetic"
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Raises Wand... 😏
@@ronaldweasley408 Ronald Weasley...
Marathons in Wrinkles.
Maybe the water clans dont have land mounts or flying mounts to go fight on land.
traveling by water can only get you so far before you have to continue on foot. They might not know how to travel through deadly forests either
They don't, if a metkayina went to the omaticaya, they would have to learn their ways and learn how to survive in the jungle, their adaptations for the water would be more of a hindrance in the forest
My guess is that they don't go that far unless strictly necessary. They probably trade with cliff people we saw in 1st movie who live at the edge of the sea. Those guys seems to be biological forest na'vi, but they also kind of get the sea stuff, so i think that's where they bond and exchange stuff like shells from the reef for ikran hide
Of course they wouldn't be able to. Which is why forest people don't go to the water clans and vise versa. Both clans are adapted to their own enviroment and will stuggle to surivive if they swapped enviroments. They will have to learn the ways of the people who live there. Forest people won't be able to properly adapt to the ocean and oceanic people won't be able to adapt properly to the forests.
I noticed something about the reef Na'vi that I thought was interesting. But it kinda looks like their shoulders are slightly smaller, and have more of a slope to them than the jungle Na'vi. I assume it's to help them move through the water better. But man, the amount of detail that has gone into this universe is amazing. I really don't understand how people can dislike Avatar.
Tulkun, being based on Sperm Whales, in the sense that they are quite inteligent, have sonars, complex language(of sorts) might even have names for each other, and are hunted by humans for an oily yellow substance in their heads
i would think they are based on blue whales since they are pretty pacifist but defensive when they have to be. also tulkun is HUGE. sperm whales arent even whales they are dolphins and are small
@@teleportingpotatoe yeah, on size and appearance and the pacifism it would be blue or humpback whales, but their inteligence and the reason they are hunted rings sperm whales to me, after all pacifism was a choice to them, maybe before they made that bow to not kill, they could have had a different diet and way of living closer to dolphins.
orcas like to kill for fun.
Their intelligence is most like orcas, but their actual biology is like that of baleen whales.
they are the oceans top apex predator
If the end credits song of the next one isn't "Blue" by Eiffel 65, I'll riot
Copystrike?
We’ll be there
@@Guest-wr4bjthey can pay to use the song.
The attention to detail for the Avatar universe is legit next level.... an I agree there homes are freakin amazing....I would definitely love to live in one of those
Youd love to live in one of those but what would you do to preserve this way of life??? Really? These homes and communities are LITERALLY based on real culture architecture from Indigenous Oceania.
@@urbnctrl stfu. People are just expressing their admiration. my god you sjws are insufferable.
That's literally the plan of this movie... all they care about is mass manipulation, not realism.
*their, not there.
Huh, I expected you to mention the influence of polynesian or maori culture as well, because of the tattoos or the haka elements when they wanted to go to war and the strong connection to whales, who are significant to the culture as well.
I was kinda expecting that too 😭
Really its not just the haka and tatau elements that you got right? The entire Metkayina clan is LITERALLY a mashup of Oceanic cultures.. E.V.E.R.Y.T.H.I.N.G
I think their disappearance might be explained from the 10 minutes of gun violence james camron said he cut from the film because he didnt want to glorify gun violence. It might have happened during that final battle. We might see it in the special features of the DVD
What people forget about the fight in the first movie is that the Na'vi were still gathering as the humans attacked. Quaritch did say that when they wait another week or something like that the Na'vi forces will outnumber them. So they attacked to not be outnumbered, so it could be that the Metkayina were called and were on their way. But since they don't have Direhorses or Banshees, they would have to walk there.
Great point!!!
I speculate that Eywa accelerated the evolution of the Navi to explain how they can have such divergent physiology amonst the clans, but it's also possible that Eywa instead controls epigenetic development and inculcates one unified language and tradition into all of the different Navi rather than messing with natural selection.
Or the beta James Cameron just wanted to virtue signal about multiple "climate cirsises" like deforestation and killing the whales from his ivory tower.
Legit, if the next movie isn't about how mining for precious metals or fracking is baaaaaad, I'll be absolutely shocked.
@@g00bers24 So not wanting the planet to be destroyed and making art about it is a “beta” move and “virtue signaling”. Right. You sound like you are stuck in 2016. I hope you are single.
Mmm the accelerated evolution is likely due to how dangerous Pandora is. The weak die, quickly. And due to the unique environments the species have to adapt a lot faster than humans do.
Additionally, they don’t use metal or stone, or wheels. That’s why they have to adapt to their environment so specifically, humans would’ve likely done the same had we not ended up using technology and metals.
@@g00bers24 Cameron is vegan too, cry about it. Or learn grown-up insults.
@@g00bers24 uses beta as an insult
Your comment is invalid, grow up
I feel like the story reason of the Metkayina didn’t help in the war (besides them not existing at the time lol) is because them and their animals would’ve been helpless in the forest and it would’ve been the same situation of the Sully’s learning to adapt to their home
I love how diverse the Metkayina Clan and the creatures and species that live nearby them are. I always felt interested in the songcord thing, only to be disappointed that it wasn’t a more notable thing in the movie, given how it was one of the first things I hear in the movie, giving me the impression it will play some major part in the story. While I have little to no knowledge with sign language, I love that this was being used in the movie.
A man in production of the movie actually create a new form of Na’Vi sign language! I can’t remember his name but he created a whole new language!
@@Jake-ei7qu That’s one of the many things about the series I love! I heard that TheFatRat’s song “The Storm” has English AND Na’vi language 😭💕
The song chord is pretty much just foreshadowing lol
An entire sequence where they regroup with the Metkayina during the final battle was shot, but ultimately cut from the film to stay focused on the Sully family. I suspect the original cut of TWOW was much longer, but had to be trimmed for theatrical release. Hopefully we’ll see some of those scenes put back in someday.
I was wondering what would happen if a na'vi got curious and went to see space. Would it break them or would they be amazed and think of it as an extension of eywa?
Probably not that different to how humans experienced space
They do in the comics. They call it “the black world”
Eywa DLC
Metkayina are so cute imo like they just love decorating things and being so peaceful and the way the protect their brothers and sisters is just ugh adorable
It honestly make sense for why the metkayina did not fight the RDA in the first movie as they are water based, they would’ve be greatly out of their element to fight on land in the forest (most likely tho James didn’t have them in mind when making the first)
When I heard they will meet lava type Na'vi I was so excited but also I don't want them to be evil!! It's all just part of Eywa!! 😭
Years ago when the 1st movie dropped I've been wondering if the species had any bad apples cause it would make more sense cause there's individuality and it would definitely be much more interesting. Glad it seems that the 3rd will explore this.
I heard that theyre gonna be presented 'negatively'. Not sure if theyre straight up villains or just antagonists that resent Jake and just looking out for themselves but arent evil
When did people become so unsophisticated... people who like Avatar sound like a bunch of kids.
@@koopa5504 it's a movie ASSHAT. When you feel joy or are excited, you express child like tendencies because that's what kids are like.
@@koopa5504 avatar filmini sevmek neden çocukça olsun? Aksine eğer kozmik bilince biraz da olsa bağlıysan ne anlatmak istediklerini az veya çok anlayabilirsin bence.
Having watched the film a second time... I can say with certainty that the Metkayina abandoned the final battle (after their kid was rescued) because they were there solely for that, and to avenge the Tulkun. That means once that fight was over, they had no business being there. That fight was between Jake and Quarich... and considering how reluctant they were to take the Sully's in, as you highlight in your video, it actually makes a lot of sense.
Tsierya was there the entire time though.
Everyone talks about the Metcayina leaving the final battle but the battle was won quickly, the boats, mechs and mini-subs were destroyed and the Sea Dragon stranded, there was no reason to the warriors stay, but i think Tonowari should appear in the final moments in the ship, but did not return to rescue his daughter. I understand that Cameron doesn't want anyone outside intruding on the "family moment" and figh with Quaritch but causing this narrative problem, perhaps in the extended version of 9 hours these ideas or moments were shown but now they were lost.
"a great warrior just like eytukan and jake sully"
shows jake swan-diving off trees into giant mushrooms :
Future Timeline Theory
In Avatar 3: Seed Bearer (9 hours film -> Cameron confirmed this), Jake rallies the Na'vi Clans (Forest Clans, Sky Clans, Ocean Clans) to attack Bridgehead. The battle was huge and massive taking down many RDA Recoms, SecOps, and colonists in the process. The RDA manages to win against the Na'vi but took a lot of damage and casualties in the process. It wasn't until the RDA received support for a Na'vi Clan called the Ash Tribe. The Ash Tribe are Na'vi who live in volcanic and desolate wastelands on Pandora. The regions they lived in were a result of an ancient war between the Na'vi between those who are Indigenous and those who desire to create massive civilizations. The Indigenous Na'vi won but they spared their enemies who eventually grew to become the Ash Tribe. The Ash Tribe will help the RDA colonize Pandora in exchange for learning human technology, science, and other things. General Ardmore is concerned but she agrees to form an alliance and orders Recom, led by Quaritch, to keep an eye on the Ash Tribe. The Ash Tribe's help led the RDA to score victories against the Na'vi forcing Jake to strategize in defeating the Ash Tribe. Over time, the Ash Tribe learn human technology and science as well as how to reproduce them using the resources on their lands. However, Quaritch learned of the Ash Tribe's plan to betray the RDA which forces Recom to work with Jake to defeat the Ash Tribe. It is later learned that the Ash Tribe have no desire to conquer Pandora but rather improve their clan's lives through the use of human technology and science. Despite this, the Ash Tribe does not trust the Sky People (Humans) after hearing about their various genocidal acts. The conflict is later resolved. Avatar 3 will also probably focus on Quaritch and his redemption into becoming a better father and SecOps leader.
The RDA does not always operate in Pandora as they try to also find other suitable worlds to colonize because of Na'vi hostility due to the RDA's war crimes on Pandora. They find different worlds but find none of them habitable until they discovered a world once inhabited by the Na'vi who looked more advance than the Indigenous Na'vi we see on Pandora. The RDA SciOps questioned the Na'vi's true history, how they moved to Pandora, and how they evolved to be able to bond with Eywa and Pandora's wildlife.
Avatar 3 is likely the climax of the Avatar Series before we move on to Avatar 4: Tulkun Rider and Avatar 5: Quest for Eywa. The main character for Avatar 4 is likely Lo'ak who helps the Metkayina and its future clan leader, Ao'nung (Tonowari's son). The Metkayina with Kiri's help will be guided by Eywa to enter a Hidden Sea (similar to Aquaman's Hidden Sea) only accessible under the ocean. The Hidden Sea is where Kiri can properly communicate with Eywa with Grace, Neteyem, Tsu'tey, and Sylwanin (Neytiri's sister) guiding her. Eywa will teach Kiri more about Pandora and how the world's Flora and plants can save Earth. Thus, a quest is formed to save Earth thus resolving the Na'vi-Human conflict once and for all in a peaceful way.
The story continues in Avatar 5: The Quest for Eywa. Neytiri leads the quest with the help of some of her family members, Norm, SciOps, and Quaritch. They will travel to Earth to heal the planet from its environmental degradation and damage. There will be conflict as RDA profited from Earth's degradation. However, Earth is now a wasteland with most of humanity's civilizations, cities, and homes wiped out. It is now an apocalyptic world now ready to be rescued by the people (Na'vi) they oppressed on Pandora.
REGARDING METKAYINA
We will likely get to see more of the Metkayina and how they play a role in Avatar 3 and Avatar 4. It will be interesting as the Na'vi Ash People represent fire while the Metkayina represent water (Way of Water). Let us see how the Ash People's Way of Fire contradicts the Way of Water.
Umm. Are these all the Leaked Scripts?
@@arnowisp6244 No. Just theories
the four elements as earth, water, fire and air always work nice for setting up mayor themes, fith is of course quintesence, where all comes together and is fitting for Quest for Eywa.
but I must add that a tecnical advanced culture is rearily if never been reformed by a technical less advanced culture.
the effects of he Beatles hugging Indian philosofy had next to zero effect on western culture. All kind of flower powery and transsedentalism stayed pretty fringe. Where the side effect was an increase in drugsuse and addiction, not pariculary a benifitial effect on society. In stead of healing the degraded Earth as suggested in your Quest for Eywa, it more likely could have the effect of an increasing of narco statehood.
But speculation and theorising over Avatar movies to come is always fun.
I’ve been rewatching the Kiri video you made ever since it was released and I’m still so obsessed with it like I watch it at least a couple times a day lmao so I’m so glad there’s more to be discovered and learned about pandora and the na’vi who inhabit it :3
Orca Whales have dialects that variates from Family to Family.
They also have a very high social and emotional intelligence.
And now ask you again why we put those living beings into small pools to stare at them like stupid freaks.
The metkayina also speak their own dialect of Na’vi.
Very educational video can’t wait for the part two. Can’t wait and see what Avatar 3 has to offer with introducing a hole different new tribe and their way of life 🔥🔥
Haha I know they disappeared in the end, but there was a pretty good reason. Their kid was rescued, the only remaining ship flipped over and everything was sinking to the bottom. Believe it or not but it isn't safe to swim over a large sinking body. But it was definitely unceremoniously portrayed lol.
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I love Tonowari so much that I could talk abt him for years. HE'S SO PRECIOUS TO ME
Even if I wasn't a super fan of the avatar movies, your video would still intrigue me to find out about anything avatar related. However, on the fan note, I love how the character designs not only stay in tune with the ideals of the Metkayina (or Omiti's [abbreviating cuz can't spell]) but also reflect who those characters truly are in rank and personality.
Yeah, I was watching the film in the theatres and I was like where did they go?💀
Same
0:06 Of course they disappeared! They were too busy crushing the tulkun whalers by drowning them within the deepest depths of the ocean!
The thing about the Metkayina not being at the battle is explained pretty easy, they couldnt be there in time.
They dont have ikrans so theyre only way to travel is by ilu and Skimwing or by boat which is not really fast.
Then they would also need transport from the shore to the battle because they dont know how to ride Direhorses.
Overall even if they wanted to fight at the battle they simply couldnt arrive in time.
I think the reason the Metkayina clan didn't join the war, at least in the first movie, is because they were completely out of their element, the battle took place on Icran and Direhorce back, two creatures the Metkayina have no access to, so they couldn't fight even if they were told about the toruk macto
Am I the only one that thinks 80 million dollars is pretty cheap?
Why does no one care about Ian Garvin. You can tell that it hurts him to work for the RDA, but he needs it for something.
I would have liked to see him escape the battle and go to the metkayina and ask for forgiveness or something
I think he lived and ducked, but where he went after I hope we see in the next film. Since quaritch regrouped hopefully he was able as well
Can you make a speculative video about Na’vi Morphology and what exactly adapts the Tree People to the Jungles and other Temperate Terrestrial Zones vs the Reed People to the Islands, as well as other potential Biome Adaptations for the Na’vi; like the upcoming Ash People or go off some of the biomes that Cameron mention where other Na’vi are living, like the Desert or Tundra.
the tulkun being pacificts remind me of the blue whale, which is by the way the biggest animal to have EVER live on earth. (yes, prehistoric premordial time included) so, anything trying to fight blue whale even like 100 orcas at once dont have a chance, whales have so much more MUSCLE than anyone guesses so it can just bitch slap around anything around it and it would just die. Also, a fun fact that whales ONLY eat as much as they need to sustain themselves.
When it comes to why the metkayina weren't in the fight at the end of the first movie, what would they have done, they are built for the sea and they're skills would be useless in the final battle where it was only the air and ground battles happening.
Ngl I thought this was gonna be a pretty educational video about the water Na’vi albeit dry with someone just reading off a bunch of facts but your presentation skills mixed with editing and good humor really elevated everything. Great work!
This video was so helpful in understanding more about the Metkayina clan! I really liked this and it was enjoyable and fun thank you for doing the research to make this!
They already won said battle, the fight between the Sullys and Quaritch was personal
18:15 If Ilus are the equivalent of dolphins 🐬 then the right terminology for a group of them would be a pod not pack.
The Tulcun have art?? How does that work? No hands. Just fins. So... they... push rocks around on the ocean floor and make lovely and interesting piles, fractals or something? It's kinda hard to swallow. No pun intended.
There are many arts that don't require physical objects or opposable thumbs. Music, stories, poetry, and dancing come immediately to mind, but there can be other stuff.
Art can take on many forms, anyone can do it.
@@sillyjellyfish2421 Yeah I think all those other things are mentioned separately from "art." They're plausible. I'm trying to recall whether the narration in the film itself mentions "art," vs. song, etc.. I think it does. Anyhoo, they're separately mentioned here.
Fact is, the movie presents a boatload of interesting ideas without supporting them in the story. No one can deny that it's lovely to look at. The effects are spectacular, truly. But gosh I wish they'd done a better job with the writing. As slim as A1 was story wise, it was a little better in that department.
It’s not tht hard a concept lol. Art can take many forms. Not to mention the fact tht it’s an alien moon. ‘Art’ to you prolly isn’t ‘art’ to them.
3:48 I think the actual educated guess would be to assume crocodiles haven’t evolved because Pandora isn’t Earth
Kiri’s the most Psychic Na’vi that we’ve ever seen and she doesn’t need to come up for air.
My idea as to why they didn’t call upon the metkyena didn’t come to battle against the RDA is due to the fact that they are water fighters and all their creatures are water based which would mean their skills and war tactics would be pretty useless in the jungle and that’s why they weren’t in the first
We are so spoiled to have a movie like this
"This 8'5" 15 year old is the definition of teenage angst" HAS ME BALLING XD. Also love your videos they are always so interesting and fun.
personally I would've preferred they cast Rachel House as Ronal rather than Kate Winslet
I didn’t realize it was KW the first time around but on subsequent watches it was a bit distracting.
@@Absurdword So what is even the big deal? She is an actress
@@Starr_Apathy Kate Winslet is European, while the other Na'vi actors are played by POC
@@Teag_Brohman15 yes.. I am very AWARE of who Kate Winslet is... Ty for clarifying that. Haha But she is still an "actor" ..acting.. pretending. As a fictitious character. In a fictitious world... Of fictious sentient beings. It's imaginary. She didn't take someone's job. I'm sure her casting was based upon her abilities and nothing more. One could use the same argument but in reverse for the new casting of Ariel(..which I love btw! And can't wait to see. ) I just think casting for fictious roles like this... When a person's appearance can be made into a totally new race of beings.. could be played by anyone. They are not human. Ppl are simply overreacting.
@@Starr_Apathy I understand where you're coming from and I do respect that you're not being an ass about it. where I'm coming from is that it would've been nice if Ronal was played by a Māori actress. considering that Tonowari was played by Cliff Curtis (whom is Te Arawa and Ngai Hauiti).
This is probably a bit unrelated to ATWOW, but I really wish we could see more about Mo’at, and I hope we’ll eventually get to see Neytiri become Tsahik. When Avatar 1 came out I was 12 so I didn’t really pay too much attention to Mo’at, but later in the years I noticed details like her hair. It’s so peculiar, she has bigger braids on the back of her head, but the coolest thing is her queue (I mean the long braid with the neural connection, I think it’s called queue), cause it’s basically split in half, goes around her neck and then reconnects into one in the front. I’m pretty sure it is for easier and more immediate access to connections with everything, but again, how cool!
kudos to you and all of your efforts to do proper research about the avatar and explaining it to us the clear way! big respect to you sir! thank you so much for letting us know from every smallest details to bigger pictures!❤️
p.s. the song chord really got me like i wanna have one too hahaha
The world building is just 🤯
It’s truly incredible and I can’t wait for the next film. The fire Navi and not being as accepting of The Sullys is going to be a sight to see!!!
I absolutely hated that Neteyam got no character development. And got killed off in the end.
18:44 I disagree that the skimwing is a "crocodile" or similar to an ikran... It obviously based upon a garfish mixed with a flying fish. I would consider it to fully be a fish, breathing water not air, etc.
I wonder if the tides were higher back in the first movie. Making the reef people much farther back therefore the distance wouldn’t have been so simple and why they didn’t join in the original battle.
Why would they join in the original battle? The battle was nowhere near the water. Their weapons and whatever they ride is strictly for water
When I saw Cameron's first _Avatar_ movie in theatre, certain themes and core plot elements (like a planetary consciousness archored in giant trees on a jungle-covered planet; an Earth corporation trying to exploit the resources; the memories of the natives living on in the trees after their deaths) of the Pandora setting strongly reminded me of Alan Dean Foster's scifi novel _Midworld_ (first published in 1975, part of Foster's _Humanx Commonwealth_ universe setting), even though the story and characters are different and there is no equivalent to the Avatar bodies in _Midworld_ novel.
And now some plot points from _Midworld_ which were missing from the first movie pop up in _Avatar: The Way of Water,_ like an immortality serum created by harvesting a part of the planet's biosphere that is an integral part of the planet's consciousness.
Not sure if James Cameron ever read Foster's novel. Foster was pretty well known Scifi author in the 1970s/80s.
One thing I don’t understand is when Kiri went to save Tuk and Neytiri, why did she only take one gilmantle when she past a few (at least three)? Why didn’t she take multiple since she was going down to save her family in the sunken ship?
I think it’s because Tuk was better at holding her breath. Kids are better at learning new skills than adults are so Neytiri probably wasn’t as good at holding her breath.
@@sukifortier1614 but when Kiri went down there, she didn’t know who in her family she was going to save (or maybe she did), but what if she ran into Jake instead.
@@hA-bw3nk I assume it's because she could only connect to one of them, the Navi are never shown to bond to multiple things at once. And if she tried to hold any it would be difficult to swim. Why she didn't control any more with her mind is up to interpretation, maybe that species is too intelligent for her to control. Overall I think it's easy to excuse
@@katt1206 i can’t imagine it being impossible to swim with multiple gilmantle in your hands, but maybe you are right
Bruce Edgar Black always hits us with these fire Avalon videos
@Bryce Edward Brown Aonung in my opinion isn’t a bad guy he just lets his teenage hormones get the best of him and causes him to act out in a disrespectful and aggressive manner also Aonung As a teenage Metkayina he hasn’t lifted his loincloth and explored his reproductive organs under it (I know I shouldn’t be saying that but I’m making a point) like most teenage Metkayina might have done Aonung has the face of his father Tonowari meaning Aonung has Tonowari’s genes
Another thing that I want to point out is that Aonung’s friends were taking advantage of Aonung and making him disrespect and upset the sully boys causing the fight.
Hopefully in Avatar 3 Aonung would of got his Tulkuns in a line and grown and matured into a young strong man just like Tonowari his father
After watching a good bit of Avatar lore, I've realized something.
I want a game from the human perspective. And not from the perspective of someone who will immediately betray their own species, either.
No, I want a game set on Pandora where you can make your own choices.
You could always pull a standard human "good guy" move and betray your own species after being with the Na'vi for a while.
Or...
You could venture far and wide across the Pandoran landscape, both as a human, and in a Na'vi body. See the beauty of the alien landscape, undergo the ritual of Iknimaya, soar above the floating mountains and bathe in the refreshing air, before coming back, and bonding with the Ikran further. Later on, getting a chance to connect with the plants and hear the voice of the planet itself.
And as you stand before Eywa, looking at the culmination of the planet's life and biomass, you say only one word to the entity.
"No."
That's what I want. A game with choices. A game where you can end up doing more environmental damage than the rest of the RDA ever could, or wipe their outposts from existence, and exterminate the invading humans as though they're a plague.
Sure, I'm describing two polar opposites, but I would also love some morally grey characters and scenarios too.
Humans that are sympathetic, Na'vi that are questionably moral. Subversions of what's in the movies. Maybe even call into question whether or not Eywa can even be trusted. Is it actually the planet? Or is it just a highly advanced neural parasite?
Things like that would be amazing. Of course with some sprinklings of horror here and there, since Pandora isn't exactly the most friendly place to live.
I've seen some people in the comments try to theorise why this clan didn't help in the first movie, but the reason is really simple. It wasn't their problem. They weren't at risk, why would they put themselves into it?
and it didn’t look like Jake and Neytiri flew to them, and even if they did off-screen you’re exactly right. By Ronal’s reaction to the Sullies arrival she definitely wouldn’t allow her clan and family being in danger over a fight that doesn’t even involve them
I love this video. But I have to point out that the Metkayina do not have the same exact mindset as the Tulkun. Tonowari says in the movie that the murderers of Roa (a Tulkun and Ronal's spirit sister) "must die, here, today". Implying that the Metkayina have the intention of acting out revenge on the sky people. I don't think that's morally bad. Just an inconsistency.
Really beautiful world building. So much details
You should do a video designing your own blade since you talk about them so much
I really like your way of going broadly over every topic and then naming every important and deep fact in the process.
I know this is a movie-based channel, but will you ever cover frontiers of pandora?
Fantastic wrk🎉🎉🎉I’m glad u put as much effort as u do in the videos cus of how descriptive they r and u r a big reason as y I love the avatar universe cus I found out so much abt their lore heavily cus of u. Also wanna add on how is it possible 2 get all this information!?🤔
“The way of water is the path of least resistance”
- the metkayina, probably
Amrita is actually, according to Sankrit (& Hindu mythology) elixir - which gave immortality .. just a fun fact
THE BEST CLAN IN AVATAR
That’s money fraud. That would cost 9.95 in reality.
How could the Metkyina have actually been expected to
(1) fly their FISH 300 miles, and then
(2) fight in the TREES, with
(3) heavy spears..?
I can't blame them for not being at the battle... 🤷🏿♂️
EXACTLY
They definetly will make merch out of the Gil Mantle. I remember seeing Neytiri with it on her and thinking she looked like a fairy
Another amazing video!! Thank u for your work and research for this one once again💙
I’d wonder what the fire clan be like in the third movie
maybe a less bright shade of blue, kind of slate coloured skins?
@@kamion53 Their called Ash People or something like that maybe ash blue?
My favorite clan? Nope😅
Bro the amount of dedication to make a 30:00 min long with clips and voiceover
Love these videos so much ❤
This video is well researched
WELL, THAT was a cool video to watch! I can't WAIT to see this movie. 🥰🤗💖🇨🇦💙😺
the amount of times i heard "BROOOOOOOO" in a Indian accent in Way Of The Water is freaking insane
There not extinct there just on earth Pandora's a new planet
They could not help in the battle against Hells Gate because there is no ocean nearby. Any they are ocean people, so they cannot just go and walk there without their main transport animals which are all aquatic.
I think the Metkayina weren’t called on to help during the Assault on the Tree of Souls because they just wouldn’t have been useful in that fight. Cause it took place in the forest and mountains and they’re reef people
they created a very intrigring tribe of Na'vi with the Metkayina tribe,
but I wished they went for a different design of the forearms, instead of this kinf of seal fluke, maybe a rigde of spines with connecting tissue would look nicer.
although this flukelike limb is better based in possible evolution.
that is in my opinion not the case with the tail; it is crocodile like moving sideways where one might expect and extention of the spinal cord to move up and down like in dolphins.
but maybe here the choice was esthetic as a flat beaver like tail would look plump on the reed slender creatures.
Neverthe less eager to see new creatures in the third movie and new variation on the Na'vi anatomy.
I wish to be a Metkayina.... :(
The tattoos on the Metkayina remind me of traditional tattoos dawned by Pacific Islanders/Native Hawaiians