When Did God Become White?
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Dr. Anthea Butler (@AntheaButler on Twitter) talks about the color of God and her latest book, #WhiteEvangelicalRacism. #AntheaButler #KarenHunterShow
"White Evangelical Racism": www.amazon.com...
This conversation is needed. Maybe even a part 2.
Can she get her own class, like Dr Carr?
I think it was Oprah who once said at a university commencement speech something like, “Pray as if everything depends on God but act as if everything depends on you.”
Amen yes 🙌🏼 ✨
Which makes no sense as they’re two opposing tasks.
That look on Karen's face tho...when dude on the phone starts with the bs.. .😅😅😅😅 I hear u Sis
Dude picked the wrong show! Neither Karen Hunter nor Dr Butler we’re having it. I knew he was in trouble after his first few words! Great topic and discussion!
These types of conversations are why I love this show.
Absolute 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 You’re becoming my favorite show... It’s an honor to receive such timely and life altering information. I’m grateful to the most high, the ancestors and of course The Karen Hunter show.. 👊🏿❤️
Wow, thank you!
“Are you nimble enough to pivot?” what an important question to ask ourselves 🤎🙌🏽
That first caller was a clown for real. He picked the wrong one today lol
Man, what you talking about! Respect the work that you clearly have not invested in your own damn self!
It seemed she cut him off because she didn't want to engage in a debate she might lose.
@@MrEkzotic loll it didn't seem like that at all
@@LiquidSoul06 It did to me, but hey, we are both entitled to our opinions.
You should not come on someone else's platform and attempt to tell them how to conduct THEIR conversation. Start off a conversation without respect of honoring another person is wrong. That is what God filled people do. He wanted to "man handle" her and we are not here for that.
That caller was so disrespectful. I'm glad he got cut off.
She's absolutely accurate about everything she articulated.
There is a problem when we don't put people on pedestals when they have put in the work to be put up on those pedestals. *_DOCTOR_* Professor Anthea Butler has *clearly* put in the work.
It is professor or doctor!!! Indeed...
@@kellynunez3430 It can be both. Doctor (in this sense) is her academic degree. Professor is her academic staff grade.
Yet they will put preachers who speak out of their flesh on a pedestal. We so easily follow people when they say they are”of god”
The problem here is use of the term “pedestal” which generally implies superiority. I prefer to think of it as mutual RESPECT for someone who’s mastered a specific subject. Many of us have masters and doctorates in our respective fields. She can’t touch my expertise anymore than I can touch hers so no, she’s not on a “pedestal”.
"You're right, Dr Butler. I apologize." and then continue. Why is that so hard? Smh.
Love this conversation Professor Hunter and Dr. Butler💋
This hits different even the 2nd time I'm playing it! I NEED her book! Love this conversation! Loved the assertive push back on the 1st caller! His whole energy was not ready for this! PeaceNLove to Dr. Butler🙏🏽🙏🏽
Dr. Butler snatched up all his edges. I adore her.
Yes, Yes, YES!!!!! All of this!!! Ask the question because we don't. But with free will, we have the right to ask!
It even hurts me more when I hear my parents, my mom especially, advising me to be careful of the Whites but still have this strong attachment to the White Christianity. Now mind you, my mom would be considered illiterate in respect to formal education but she was alive to witness some of the shits the colonizers did to our people in Nigeria first hand (still alive). Great conversation Professor Karen. We need more of this.
What we know of Christianity is not of God it is greatly misrepresented. What Christ taught is not found in white evangelical Christian or in that Britches of a man who is deceived by white Christianity.
@@conniegrant939 so where are the teachings found outside of the white Christian Bible?
@@imar3248 If you're not being facetious, perhaps a Coptic Bible?? There are several versions of it though, all with varying numbers of books dependent upon when the Bible was translated. When considering the Bible, please remember this: There are over 5,800 Greek New Testament manuscripts known to date, along with over 10,000 Hebrew Old Testament manuscripts and over 19,000 copies in Syriac, Coptic, Latin, and Aramaic languages. All of the former were transcribed by hand, not Xeroxed. When you consider the translations (or mistranslations) of those manuscripts, there's bound to be some issues.
@@andreabrown4541 I wasn’t being facetious. Truly didn’t think there existed any teachings outside of the Bible on Christianity.
This is what I have been asking. Thanks Dr. Butler and Professor Hunter. I'm ready to make that pivot.
Me too.
"Start where you are. Use what you have. Do what you can." - Arthur Ashe
Thank you sooo much Karen Hunter and Dr. Butler!!! We need to educate our people, and some fools need to be "schooled", or JUST LEFT TO SIT IN THEIR IGNORANCE!!! We DEFINITELY need more of this. This guy really has a misogynistic spirit!! He needed to be cut off. We need an open spirit for open dialogue. Thank you Ladies!!
I have two new heroes; Dr. Butler and the second caller! Salute to you both!
I have recently stated, "I'm Christian by default". This is because Christianity was taught to me since before I completely understand the English language. With that said, I have a better understanding that what I have been taught may not 100% true. I'm okay with that and I seek truth fully okay with not getting the whole story. #nappyvandals
My favorite: when you're saved, you're forgiven for your sins, but when you die, you're still judged for those same sins. That's a huge contradiction. How can you be forgiven for something...but still judged for it?
Very good question.
Bought the audible version of the book so I can continue upgrading my knowledge whole I am working. Thank you, Professors!
The first Christian Church was located in Africa before it was transported to Rome, Italy. At one time seven early Christian Churches in Europe had the Black Madonna and the child Jesus in them. Michelangelo had the assignment of depicting early Christian Church figures as Europeans.
‘ ... unlearn, relearn or double down on Rome?’ ... NICE
I agree with Dr. Butler 100% . I feel that when you think to do good not just for yourself and being sincere about what your doing one is in accord with the will of God! God does no evil. When the ego sets in to much of our doings and that is most often not the will of God. Besides that that little part of place in the body is only God in a body. and God is in all things and the things of God are godly and so what are we initially? I have answered that question for myself. Once your experience it then you know.
Why did you call in, if you weren't willing to correctly address the Professor? Say her name young man, Dr. Butler. Come correct sir.
This was so awesome, thank you Karen! I love you!
Thank you, Jonathan. Love you back!
Hebrews got to wake up, we are the people of the book.
#WeThePeople
A lot of people hide behind religion and spiritual practices so they don't have to deal with what is.
EXACTLY!!!
yep, SOOOO many fake pastors all over the world!! esp. Africa.
Professor Karen thank you for giving voice to my inner feelings. I think about my parents and I always say the White man could have owned everything he has today without enslaving my people or the indigenous people. I never understood how man ways and moves supersede the will of a powerful God. Yes we as a people need to break the chains of religion. We need to be brave and that is what I have been dealing with now for a time. I know Church has been a safe haven for my people and me in a powerful way. Yes I have benefited from the Black Church until I out grew the denominational space. I am ready to do the work in order to go higher.
HALLELUYAH, all praises to the Most High. I pray God"s protection for you because the "pushback" will be strong.
If you invest your identity and your sense of self in one thing, you will feel as if you are nothing without it. We have substituted adherence to a belief system or paradigm that has been forced upon us for the hard but fulfilling work of knowing and accepting who we truly are and coming into our own.
Theres tons of European paintings of Yeshua being black. Same with Hebrews, Moors, etc. Its I'll in some of their Catholic churches. Theres a picture of the Pope bowing to a picture of a black Madonna
Peace! All of the Popes bow down and kiss the feet of Black St. Peter in Rome.
All of them. Out.
People make up their own concepts of God. Which mostly their own human weakness impost on their concepts of God.
Great discussion. I can’t say I agree or disagree, but I always learn a different, mostly uncomfortable, perspective from Dr. Butler. And, it’s good to listen and learn. I actually think the Biblical points she discusses don’t have human answers because they’re spiritual. I’d love to hear more of her perspective on how man has used religion to keep others in bondage. That’s human stuff, non-spiritual.
Speak truth Doctor Butler!!
You are so right.
Now according to the Bible we got here because we disobeyed God, turning our back on Him, serving other gods which angered Him. Deuteronomy speaks of our suffering.
Whoa! This is a conversation that needs to be had among those who are "spiritual" as well as "scholarly". I think discernment is needed that's not based on historical or scholarly knowledge because if that's all you have, then that's all you know. The presumption is "there is nothing else to know" and when we run out of answers and find confusion - then we turn to God! Not for answers or solutions but to blame, accuse, and declare to be false because the version we received of him "doesn't match" our confusion. It is confusion to be taught and instructed by white racists who have neither admitted nor repented of the enslavement of your ancestors, while admonishing you to "repent" and serve a God who looks like they do! It is confusion to object to a presentation of GOD who looks like you do - in favor of the one who looks like those who oppress you! It is confusion to insist that "color doesn't matter" when your entire history in this country has been based upon it, including the murders of today committed by police who are justified by the states that employ them. I think we indeed need to revisit from whence the information came that told us "this and that" is the will of God to make us submissive and docile to some unfortunate occurrence. And I think we ought to "stop mixing apples with oranges" and expecting them to "line up in agreement'. Because the flesh is totally and solely about the flesh. There will be no "meeting of the mind" with the spirit. So, if all information is based on "scholarly" "historical" knowledge - why even question or bring GOD into it, who in fact is Spirit? What do you do - open up a book and "read all about him"? Sit in class and let others "teach and tell you"? When it comes to the things of the spirit, you can only speak about "what you know" not "what you are told". So we have many teachers who know the words but don't know the one who "spoke" them. And they are running around telling folks "what his will is or isn';t" ....when they never "heard from him". They simply read what he said and proceeded to dictate what was meant and did it in the flesh NOT according to Spirit! So we have ERROR and CONFUSION. Because the flesh seeks ONLY to serve the flesh. Now, whose church is it in operation? Gods or MANS?
Well said and absolutely true.
Karen should have hung up immediately on Alex, who would not call her "Dr. Butler". I hate it when a man, a black man, and Alex sounded black, will not acknowledge black people, especially a black woman, by their title that they worked so hard to achieve. Dr. Butler did not label herself as doctor, she did the work to earn the title. I wonder if Alex is telling non-black academia the same; "we put people on a pedestal".
Now if we turn from our negative thinking and acting of who we really are and who God is within us accept what is true of who we are on His eyes then God will bring us through all this trouble.
TV evangelicals are all about money. No matter of their race. It all equals to having the money and the power. Can you name me one man and one woman that abides by the Bible or any other religion?
A much needed conversation that needs to happen across the world especially with black and coloured people who have inherited the white God and religion. Glad to hear this conversation and looking forward to reading the Professors book.
It is NOT a good feeling to relearn things but I am willing and ready to learn!
I like this subject . I respect the way that Dr Butler explains different ways about religion. I must read your book
GREAT Segment Karen!! Thank you for this important discussion. I’m looking forward to reading/listening to the good Dr’s book.
Truth has no gender...teach Sister.
Dr Butler definitely has a point about religion in America and the disappointing of Black people. Every denomination has truly lied to us to serve their own ends.
Great conversation and thank you for clarifying for that caller the purpose of the discussion.
DEUTERONOMY 28: 15-67
my belief according to scripture. WE were and are the choosing. The curse came to us because of are disobedience. (GOD AIN’T NO JOKE)
Vs 48.
Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thrust, and in nakedness, and in want of all things: and he shell put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he had destroyed thee.
Duet 28 is describing what has happened to US as a people. When anyone read this chapter you will surely see US.
Was it GOD’S will that we should be Lynched, rapped and killed?.....God forbid! We must fight against injustice.
Deut 28: 68
The LORD she’ll bring you unto Egypt again ( in boundary, condition) by way of ships. Thou shell see your home no more again: and there ye shell be sold unto your enemies for bondsmen and bondwomen, and no man shell buy you.
A parent will discipline his or her child more Severely than it would discipline his or her neighbors child....Why?🤔
The curse is lifting. A parent will not discipline his or her child for life. We (once we return to our first love) will be the head once again, and not the tail.....ashe’
Profound discussion Dr Butler!
Thank you Dr. Hunter and Dr. Butler. Dr. Hunter I come here to get the hard truth-even when it hurts. Dr. Butler, your book is in next month’s budget; it feels like gold.
Tell him and he knows nothing he is talking about. So disrespectful
Hebrew Israelite believes Hebrews were of African descent who God allowed to become slaves bc they turned their backs on Him and took on the views and ways of the heathens. God promised when His people return back to him, He will return them to their former standings as His People. Scripture prophesied that we would be sent into slavery by ships & scattered to the 4 corners of the earth before we will want to fully return to him and his ways. When we are ready to return wholeheartedly unto Him, He will release us and He will be our God & we will be the head and not the tail, above and not beneath, any longer.
Karen once again you did it again.. I thoroughly enjoyed this conversation I will be buying this book thank you thank you thank you👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
When Africa lost Carthage it became easier for there to be a white god. Even in the ancient underground tunnels of turkey, a religious leader is depicted looking like one of The Sylvers (yes, the singing group)
Professor Butler, I applaud you for speaking Truth! Many of us do not search for truth, but believe what they are told. Thank you for making us think and seek truth. Karen, my sista, you are always on point. You are awesome
I have asked this question from childhood . Every other culture has a God that look like them.
Karen I am so proud of you for studying our spirituality before we were kidnapped. I'll be glad when we all know who and what we are, and what we're connected to. Ase siStar ❤
Elegantly stated Dr. Butler. I believe in destiny and choices. After my daughter's father died I told her that she was her father's legacy and his gift to the world. The choice for me and my husband to bring her into the world was a choice but me being her mom was destiny.
This was awesome! I am struggling with religion and have been for at least most of my life. I feel as though God has me on a path for his own.
Oh yes I love this conversation! I have been speaking this truth for 20 years. I left a black crazy church for some of the same reasons she stated.
The day I learned how the Christain bible was canonized was the day I walked away from Christianity. To date I haven't looked back, however I respect the spirit of Christianity, and especially Jesus, much more so than how the religion is practiced, especially in light of how brainwashed many of my people are by how it's taught & preached.
me too!! when I studied for myself and dismissed what my loving grandma to tell me!!
@@AR-uz6kq Grandma, mom and my entire southern black family. The ironic thing is that if Eastern Coptic Christianity was our tradition I'd probably still embrace the religion, instead of this, imho, bastardized Protestant, Southern Baptist white supremacist infused, rascism rationalizing hybrid.
Why burden yourself with the Bible if you don't believe all that it says. That is an excercise in a vain pursuit.
The Bible is written to the people of God. For those who are not, it is like reading someone else's mail. The salutation of the epistles clearly state "To the church..."
Everyone has free will. Steal, kill, commit idolatry and fornication.
The pleasures of sin are sweet for a season but the end thereof are the ways of death. You can write it in a table and note it in a book for it in a book.
I say not these things to condemn but it is because I love you that I tell you the truth.
Many are presumptuous and are wise in their own eyes because they say we see not knowing that they are blind and walking in darkness not knowing not where they go. And if the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch.
The wisdom of this world is earthly and sensual and the carnal man is not subject to the laws of God neither indeed can be because they are foolishness to him.
The weakness of God is stronger than men and the foolishness of God is wiser than men yet God chose the foolishness of preaching to save us all. Grace and Peace.
@@danmarley2886 I never will give up on my people. God put us to sleep for the disobedience of our ancestors(Romans 11:8). But fortunately He never gave up on us. His children are waking up and returning to Him. He told us what our punishment would be (Deuteronomy 28:64). Christianity continues to lie even to today. Saying even the church has replaced Israel when Israel is the church (Acts 7:38). He(God) is desperately pleading with His children to come out of her. I agree she had a purpose. But now it's time to return back to the Father's house (Prodigal Son).
@@afrobiker97I am not sure but it sounds like you may be one who is of the circumcision. God is by no means done with His people Israel. He took out from among the gentiles a people for His name and made them heirs of the same promises and to provoke Israel to jealousy. So God was found of them that sought not after Him.
Was not Paul an apostle to the gentiles and did he not write most of the new testament epistles to which you readily refer?
We find in the Book of the Revelation chapter seven a scene in heaven gathered about the throne all nations, tribes, people's and tongues. None are left out, especially the Jews. God will keep his promise to Abraham.
I truly believe that we are the chosen people in Deuteronomy 28. We are the only people with whom the curses align.
I love my educated black women. At 13:00 mtly sistas did mrle proud.😄😄
"He would have been a middle eastern man"......DUH......."brown skin and a Fro!"..Dr. Butler...thank you and stay well to all
Maybe he was, it doesn't really matter.
@Zion Hill Ok, well, it doesn't matter to me.
A lot of BM just want to talk down to BW. That first caller wasn't there for discourse, he just wanted to gaslight and proved that he was nowhere near their level of conversation. Do not come for BW unprepared to get roasted publicly.
I needed all of this 2day.. Auntie Karen always educates 🤓🤫🤔
Thank yal!
Octavia Butler’s Parable of the Sower is, in part, a discussion of how God is conceived (shaped) and how God shapes us in turn. The shapes are constantly changing because life is constantly changing. It’s very interesting. On another note, my great grandfather was a minister at a large, vibrant baptist church on the east coast. He had a PhD, read Latin, etc., and my grandmother asked him in her late teens why he taught her about God and the Bible in one way but allowed his congregation their own set of beliefs that didn’t necessarily mesh with his-in fact, he kept his most progressive views to himself and his family. His explanation was that you have to meet people where they are. The problem is, I don’t think he met them where they were and brought them forward because he was employed by his congregation.
My mans was hit with logic and was boxed in. He had no escape and that is a small feeling to have.
Thank you 🙏🏽 ✨
I just bought the book. I love this UNDER-spoken topic. I used to be what was sold as a “Christian”. It is a dangerous place to be IMO. I think certain churches s/b closed. Peddling guilt & taking money. Thank you so much 💚🧡✨
So true. I agree 100% with Doctor Butler
Good Job Dr.Butler
Please talk about this Miss Hunter.. it’s the whole damn system🤍💙🤍 police 👮 judge 👩⚖️ DA......Colorado District Judge Natalie Chase has resigned after she admitted using a racial slur in front of court employees, voiced her opinion on racial issues from the bench and asked employees to do personal tasks for her during work hours.
Dropping knowledge again Professor Hunter and your Guest Host!
Dr. Butler, you are so profound. And thank you Prof. Hunter, for finding so many great Black minds and bringing them to the world. God bless.
3/14/22 -- Listening to this again... That guy [your 1st caller] messed up when he said something about 'putting people on a pedestal' because of their HARD-EARNED titles. Although I'm not a Ph.D., God knows that B.A. was hard to get! Dudes like him get slapped for their disrespect... But Dr. B. took care of him.
Thats right talk sister. It's hard to have a conversation with someone thats speaking through their conditioning!
Not every MAN will do what the first young man did....or said... much RA-SPEC🙏🏽 .....heshima.... thank u.
Oh that man really tried it trying to disrespect Dr. Butler!
Love this well needed conversation.... it def will help free us 🙌🏾
Dr. Anthea didn't come here to play!!!!!!!!!
I need to get her book
Ms Butler needs to be on the show more frequently. I love her and her work. The caller who dropped off was very petty and also thought she needed to sit and listen.
she does...she's been on a few times...
Such a powerful discussion!!!!
Our best Pan African spiritualists Baba Ishakamusa Baranshango, Baba Cain Hope Felder, Baba Ra Un Nefer Amen, Baba Jedi Jewethy , Baba Jaramogi Abebe Agyeman etc.
Most black folks ain’t ready to challenge the obvious discrepancies with what we been taught by Anglo American beliefs
Loving what your doing Professor Hunter
Just a fan contributing to the algorithm, but the question that Professor Hunter asks at 21:05 is one that I had not been able to articulate. Will be asking it at the next family get together.
I could never be a Christian as taught be Europeans. It truly never existed. Don’t understand why we still follow that
Unlearn & Relearn yes mam. 100% FACTS
Living in Europe..... I decided to do some research.... and found that some europeans were as bold as to portray the Madonna as black..... and the infant Jesus as white.
SMH! and LOL! The insanity of it all.
Excellent commentary 👌
Thank you so much 😀
Karen’s facial expressions 😂
So what she’s saying is God is all powerful except for white supremacy. He has the power to give and take life but he can’t get rid of white supremacy. What black people were praying for in 1700 they are still praying for in 2021. How? Make it make sense.
Now, I was right with you on that!
In the 1840s, Ireland suffered a devasting famine. The vast majority of the victims were Catholics.
Many Protestants at the time wrote and said, "This is God's will. Giving charity or any kind of assistance would be Sinful". Up to three million people died.
Similarly, in British controlled India, tens of millions of people died in famines while Christian British administrators and settlers OPPOSED aid on exactly the same terms that they had opposed aid to Irish Catholics - "God's will".
There are many Evil people in the World who use God to voice and implement their own evil.
I'm not sure that there is a God, but if there is, I want to be a fly on the wall when God confronts the many millions who did evil in God's name...
Truth should inspire change,I said should, as she said ,the deeper truth
Im a pastor and she is speaking the truth ... Come back on the show ...
Right they get mad at a black Jesus or no one else in the bible according to them
The very Bible which we say the caucasian man used to enslave us, explains in Deut. 28:64-68 that it was TMH who enslaved our ancestors (His chosen people) because of their disobedience, rejection of the One True God and engagement in Baal worship (which we learned from those whom TMH told us not to associate with - these instructions were given to the children of Israel).
Throughout the centuries, man (through religion) has added and twisted His Word!!
However, our merciful Yah offers redemption to His chosen people through Yahuah our Messiah.
There's a time for all things and in the fullness of time He shall return for his Bride (His redeemed)!!
BTW, I strongly disagree that the Messiah was 'Middle Eastern' (the Midle East didn't even exist then) and in the Book of Matthew, TMH told Joseph (Mary's husband) to take the baby and Mary and go into Egypt (which at that time was a Black country and was outside of Roman rule [It was King Herod who wanted to have the baby King killed]). The question then becomes, how would this Middle Eastern looking child be able to assimilate in Egyptian culture which at that time was totally Black? Our Messiah was a BLACK man, people!!!💯
And shoutout to you having "Get Good with Money" in the background.
I loveit!!!!!! Karen Hunter i can listen to the professor all day, this program needs to be for hours......Thanks..... I need more FOOD!!!! KNOWLEDGE!!!!