This is why I’m very happy with my 2019 XSE Avalon. More sporty then the other trims but still comfy and don’t have to worry about scraping the front. I changed out my mufflers and got a very nice exhaust note with not too much drone. Also put the K&N typhoon intake on it too and got more intake sound. Also running premium fuel the engine does remap and gives you the power of the Lexus version with 311hp/280tr. I love my Avalon. 34k miles on it so far. Came from a 2017 challenger RT.
I love my Avalon TRD. I’m 6’2” and 225 pounds and wanted something big and comfortable for real world driving that provided more handling precision than my SUV. This car fit the bill perfectly. I was going to get the touring over the limited, both for the aesthetics and the Adaptive Variable Suspension. But I ultimately decided on the TRD trim. I know it’s subjective, but I think this car looks beautiful. Pictures do not do it justice! The tangential vents, and the aero kit is all fully functional; 0.27 coefficient of drag is better than average. The TRD wheels are lighter and better quality, and, in my opinion better looking than the Touring wheels. It’s been lowered 0.6 inches, thicker bracing underneath, stiffer springs, beefier breaks, makes this car an absolute pleasure to drive, and I haven’t scrapped the front splitter on anything. Oh, and that Cat-Back exhaust sounds fantastic. I don't drive like a maniac, but if you need to drive aggressively, you can. I think this car handles great for such a large car. I have no problem getting up to speed with that rock solid naturally aspirated V6. I’m personally glad they didn’t do anything to the engine for the TRD trim. I can pretty much drive what I want, but I chose the Avalon TRD over the Lexus ES, and cost was not a factor in my decision; I paid cash. I think the Avalon TRD looks better than the Lexus ES. 2021 is the last year they will offer the TRD trim, so if you are thinking about getting one, jump on it, you won’t be sorry.
Same. I wanted a sporty daily and picked this over Lexus ES and other Avalon trims. Super comfy and love the way it looks (in black). Miss some features on Touring, but dont like the way Touring looks. Got the last new TRD in the DMV back in early October.
Hey @Alex on Autos thank you for another great in depth video! You touched on a lot of the same points I experienced when I drove the Avalon TRD back in November and I wanted to share a few more points if you are cool with that. But first to answer your question as to what I would put my money on compared specifically to the Avalon's TRD trim it would be either 2017+ Fusion Sport (Great value and very well balanced in all traits aside from being slightly smaller and with a dark interior), the Kia Stinger (Large, comfy, practical, and sporty but the most expensive), or the Accord Touring 2.0T (Best all around but the least sporty). I appreciate that a reliable brand is trying to appeal to those of us who want daily practicality and sportiness and the Avalon TRD is a good first step. HOWEVER, much of their effort comes off as...immature...in some ways whether it be the caricature grills, obnoxious exhaust that stops being fun as soon as you are up to cruising speed in any traffic, or that the suspension feels spiteful as if the family teenager took his mom's hand me down car to a second rate tuning shop and put the cheapest lowering springs they can find on the car. Don't get me wrong, this car can be fun if you are on a well paved road in the mountains but once these lay on a few miles and you end up back in the daily grind it loses its appeal far quicker than other sedans sporty or not. I have driven a lot of the current crop of cars, including many miles on Toyotas, but as far as the remaining field goes their personalities feel a bit too much like an On/Off switch and that makes me a bit sad that sedans like the Fusion has either gone away or languished on the product vine because it is not "the most profitable product in the world" for a lineup. Now the Toyota's have improved remarkably and I want them to succeed but they need to refresh what they think as sporty because for a while now it seems like their only vision of which seems to be "Fast and Furious" and in your face all of the time. The reason I mentioned the Ford Fusion earlier is the Avalon TRD that I put miles on reminds me a lot of the 2010 Ford Fusion Sport but with adaptive cruise control and lane keeping added on. The handling, acceleration, and the general fun factor is there in a reasonably practical, comfortable, and fuel efficient package but with a larger and nicer interior and had moderately improved acceleration thanks to 40 additional HP and 2 extra gears. In conclusion, it felt very similar in mostly a good way to that old Fusion Sport and that would be great if one is looking to maintain that experience in a nice reliable package. That said it was very jarring how the dealers I have dealt with were adamant about asking above MSRP to the tune of nearly $47,000 for something that lost many of its positive attributes of being a reasonably priced large comfortable sedan from a reliable manufacturer in pursuit of what one of its rivals had done a decade before. I really truly wanted to like it as sedan alternatives are dwindling but at that luxury car price and some un-luxurious drawbacks the TRD Avalon feels disingenuous to itself and some of its potential customers. It is a good car but it deserves a bit more attention from Toyota. They may still be steadily testing the waters like I've known them to do for so long so maybe they will surprise my when it comes up for a refresh/redesign. Things I think they should address first are things that would improve the daily experience such as incorporating a version of their adaptive suspension, adding a bi-valve mode to the exhaust to accentuate the duality of its nature, and tone down the try-hard bits like the oversized side skirt that makes it very awkward to get in and out of what is supposed to be a large and comfortable car. Given the size of the Avalon and the performance aspirations it would be good to compare it to the Honda Accord Touring 2.0T and the Kia Stinger but this comment has already transformed into an article. Thank you for all you do Alex and keep up the great work! If anybody read this far I just want to say you are awesome!
Personally own a 2020 Avalon TRD. Reliability and a hint of sportiness is all I need.. too busy making money to be having the cart sit at a shop (cough mercedes & bmw).
You should be retired and meeting the boys for donuts and coffee. Most full-size sedan owners are men (70%), and so are most Toyota Avalon owners (70%). However, according to J.D. Power data, the median age of a large car owner is 60 years, whereas the median age of an Avalon owner is 68 years. Not surprisingly then, 81% of Avalon owners are members of the Pre-Boomer or Baby Boomer generations, compared to 60% of all large car owners. J.d. power
I don't know why your front seat comfort reviews are my favorite thing and you did not disappoint. You just said that the Avalon had the worst seats in the class lol
I'm shocked at how much an Avalon costs over a Camry. The $10k price premium is not worth it at all. Very much in the Lexus ES pricing wheelhouse. Do the Kia Stinger if you want a Sporty sedan or Lexus ES for comfort. The Avalon is not good at either yet costs the same. The TRD model not having awd with the V6 or at the very least a lsd is a miss.
I have an 05 Avalon Limited with the same engine,6 speed transmission.277k miles and still get that exact same fuel economy as this brand new one. One great car though
They brought back the Lincoln continental and then discontinued it because no one is buying large sedans anymore. A new crown Vic would be cool, but isn’t going to happen since there is no demand for a car like that.
I purchased a 2019 Avalon Limited back in August 2019. I did so because I can't stand the softex "pleather" seating. It has most of what I want, a very quick sedan with great MPG and a non-turbo, rock-solid, naturally aspirated engine. I regularly get 27 MPG, 31 on highway drives with one passenger, and 300 pounds of gear in the trunk. The most significant issues I have had are road noise from the horrible OEM Bridgestone tires, emphasis on "stone". They were rock hard and had horrible traction. After 18,000 miles I put Michelin Premier A/S tires on it and it rides quietly with little road noise. The only other nagging issue is the inconsistent Toyota Entune 3.0. It frequently will not connect the apps or Alexa even though the phone apps on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ are connected. Tire issue notwithstanding, I wish I had bit the bullet and gone with the ES 350 for seat comfort and quieter overall ride It would have been worth the extra $5,000 to $8,000 depending on trim level.
1000% agree with the front end comments. The whole designs scream, "trying too hard to be youthful". Sure there's a market for that but the Avalon line has NEVER been about it. This just gives the Korean makers (Kia/Hyundai) way more opening to take away market share.
As someone who has never heard of the Avalon before and couldn't careless about its lineage and image, this NA 300 HP with bulletproof auto 8 is almost too good to be true. Same goes for the Camry TRD, and their low mileage used prices are so attractive for a Toyota.
I really like the idea of a sporty car with enough room for my 3 kids in child car seats (6mo to 6 years) and for me, their tall dad. But $43K without sporty front seats? Nope.
@@normt430 hope they're still selling it I. The states in 2026, I expect to either get a Mazda (3 or 6 or CX5), Toyota Avalon, or Lexus ES. But right now I'm trying to go as long as I can without a car
My neck is tall and I found the headrest in the 2021 Avalon TRD very restrictive and it felt uncomfortable. This was the only reason I did not buy it. To a lesser extent the muffler sound is cool, but after a while I have heard enough of the muffler droning. It is a very beautiful car.
@@ancientemblem I've driven an IS. Great performer, but my gym locker in high school had more room. I could not do it. As stated elsewhere, not offering the Avalon or the ES with the 3.5 v6 and AWD is disappointing, especially since getting rid of the GS.
@@markf8256 I can definitely see where you're coming from, currently drive a 2010 IS and I'm a smaller build so it fits well for me. Just for the price of the Avalon TRD I'd rather get a luxury sedan. So IS/Genesis/3series.
I haven't finished the video, but I'm sure it will be a great review as usual. On another note, are you looping your audio? I'm detecting an echo as if you're indoors. If so your timing is spot on. Just an observation. Carry on! LOL!
Alex on Autos, I have a 2020 Avalon XLE in Midnight Black, I like it because I'm driving in new style and good looks. I will say this dough kudos to Toyota they did a good job with the middle console touch screen. I'll tell you this for man my age you will never see me drive in the older model Avalon that looks like a square. The 2020 Avalon looks much better then the older model to me the Avalon is the cousin of the Lexus. I mean don't get me wrong I still like the Lexus but with the Lexus you are paying top dollar for the name with the Avalon you save some money.
Love your detailed explanation save for driving review where you have three separate screens. Why? Just place the camera somewhere on the passenger side B-puller that covers everything on the interior and put some B-roll of exterior driving.
I bought the Charger Scat pack. I did look into the Avalon (Ugly Front), Camry not as ugly but smaller (Im' 6'3). Sport sedans are getting harder to find for a Big guy
I absolutely agree, large and comfortable sporting sedans are where it is at for us taller folk. The Germans seem to get that but their reliability for the price scares me. I hope the Charger gets a good redesign soon that keeps that wonderfully roomy packaging or Ford brings us back at least one large sedan!
I like the C-pillar but not the grill on the Avalon. However, I agree with Alex, the Kia Cadenza is probably the better choice for value and ride quality as well as style.
All the Toyotas with those ridiculous grills are off my list. That's one of those historic styling features that folks will look back upon and ask, "What the hell were they thinking?!"
@@dannynguyen1122 Payments?! Amazing what folks consider "normal" these days. My last car "payment" was back in 1982. All cash since then. You can't get ahead in life as long as you're supporting financial institutions. But the point is that the new Toyota products are ridiculous looking.
Then again there very unique design. Any models we see is sleek, sharp, and bold. While Toyota makes sharp,bold, and very aggressive. That’s what makes them unique. And I think it’s pretty awesome
@@toyotabrony I understand. To each his own. Back in the 50's folks wanted their cars to emulate jet aircraft. The "cool" form-over-function styling that resulted seems ludicrous in retrospect. This style shall pass quickly into obsolescence, too.
It looks nice at certain angles... complete horrific from the front though... Granted,, pretty intimidating if one of these is breathing down on u. Never thought i wud call a toyota “intimidating”, but look where we are now😂😂😂
I've actually seen a decent amount of XSE, Touring, and even a few TRD Avalons, so I guess there is a market for a sporty Avalon. I'm personally not into cheesy looking sport addons on cars, and much prefer the elegant "Japanese Buick" of the XLE and Limited trims.
Me too. I want a little bit of power. But comfort and styling are more important to me now. I was looking at the XLE and Limited trims as well for the Avalon. Bought an "actual" Buick instead (2017 Buick LaCrosse Premium).
Let me know when it gets a heavily modified V8 engine like the one that is being used in the Toyota Camry in NASCAR at the moment. Oh, and by the way, the Toyota Camry got 15 first place wins in the 2018 season and it had placed in the top ten every other race that season, so I think that the heavily modified Tundra engine that they used in those cars speaks for itself. Finally, if you want to know how crazy powerful it is, then it is around as powerful as a base model Hellcat engine, with even more room to improve in the future if people have the courage to make it happen in that vehicle.
My money was on the line and I bought a Avalon XSE - Kia just didn't enter into the equation, mainly because the dealers around this area are clowns who still have the mentality that their cars are meant for lower income people with bad credit. I was looking at the ES 350 but I was able to get something with the same drivetrain and a little less creature comforts for over $10k less - it was a no brainer. I used to love the Maxima but that CVT was a deal breaker. Dodge/Chrysler burned me years ago and I will never support that brand again.
Toyota/Lexus designers out of their mind with the front grill. the huge grill, spindle style only looks good on LX570 and GX460/470. somehow it made its way to almost all models. I owned a few Toyotas in the past, but has no desire to buy another Toyota if this style of grill stays
@@toyotabrony I used to be Toyota fan, owned several new Toyotas including 96 Camry v6, 2008 Sienna, both with us for more than 12 years , never had any issues, just regular maintenance. But Toyota sleeps on their reliability reputation for too long. Later in these nonsense front grills started in Lexus, and gradually tricked down to Toyota models just too much for my taste
You'd think this wasn't just a trim based on the comments. Aren't these limited to 5k a year like the camry. They'll be rare and I think as a result this trim is fine. Most dealers will have 1 or 2 at most. So toyota totally understands how few they'll sale.
It absolutely does help with the stopping distance. That's why builders go larger on diameter with upgrades. To max out the ability upgrade to EBC USR Rotors and YellowStuff brake pads or Redstuff pads if you want less wheel dust and slightly less stopping power that's still better than stock pads.
@@bikingmoments Wrong, if that were true race cars wouldn't upgrade their brakes beyond stock models on the showroom floor. But I insist that you use regular brakes since your life isn't worth a few bucks.
There is a lot to dislike about nissan maxima??? No alex your definitely wrong here, the only thing to dislike about maxima is the cvt.. rest of the car is perfect. Far more upscale than Avalon both on inside and outside. I own a body shop and deal with cars everyday and can say that both avalon and maxima are amazing cars, but maxima is just better.
You are right Maxima is better thou Alex is a good car reviewer he will never praise the Maxima no matter what am not sure why. Check out the previous reviews on the Maxima over the years.
@@fashionngulube6511 i have not said he is bad reviewer. I love his videos he is very informative and prof. at what he does, but i highly disagree with his statement in regards to maxima. If anything its highly opinion based, coming only as its his view on the car. Maxima combines perfectly sportiness, design, comfort, tech etc for the year it was first designed - 2016. You cant blame a car for getting old it happens to all of us. When it first came out it beat everything on the market at its price and even the cars that cost (at that time) more. So to say alot to dislike is highly ... unfair. Could have said “great car but may not fit with everyone taste” simple 🤷🏼♂️
I know everyone hates the big grille trend but I honestly love it on the Avalon, I can't explain it. I guess I'm the target demo. Too bad it's a bit too heavy and a bit too slow and I'm more of a 2door kinda guy, but I really do like the look of the TRD.
The Impala is 2nd to the Avalon in Consumer Reports rankings. But it was discontinued a few years ago. Looks like the new Camry-based Avalon hasn't improved much.
There seem to be a lot of cars or trims coming out that make no sense on their own but the company feels the need to keep a production line busy or give the impression the brand is making new things so they see what is in the parts bin that they can make a narrative about. There is only so much sporty one can cram into a long fwd sedan, and it seems like that limit was reached before this car was released.
I like the Avalon but I feel like it’s to long in length and skinny on width, I like the Toyota Camry v6 design and size I like midsize and it fits my comfort
With the Camry getting bigger, as nice as the Avalon, and $10K cheaper; my prediction is that Toyota is pushing out the Avalon completely in favor of the Camry. Everyone knows the name Camry so they opt to buy.
It's too bad they didn't do the 3.5 with AWD. The Charger and 300 may not get the V8 with it, but that still seems more enjoyable than the around 200hp 4 cylinder with AWD in the Avalon.
Alex are you nuts! the Avalon is nice in its own way, but the maxima SR handles waaaayyyyy better than this Avalon.. lol you an Sey praises Toyota I can Not! ! I'm just glad the petal didn't get stuck..alone with Toyota's other deadly issues..
Alex, what has happened to the people at Toyota designing the exteriors of these cars? The front end of this car is just plain ugly. I would be amazed if any of the seniors I hang out would find this design appealing. I guess if I had the money I would go for Kia K9. Keep your powder dry.
@@naveenthemachine why did you link the Kona ev fires then deleted it. You actually have sense to delete it because that is an ev, plus all evs catch on fire. Teslas!
I have never liked the grille in this latest iteration, it looks like it’s unfinished, like the budget for the car was short or the timeline to launch was done... Another detail The Hyundai Elantra takes the design from this Toyota Avalon taillights, at the same time the Škoda Octavia take the design of the same from here, or backwards?
Wake up Toyota, the front of this car is keeping buyers away! Redesign for 2022, the inside and mechanicals are great, some buyers do care about design and this is a nightmare.
Most people your age have left Toyota as they don't want their parents car. You are not old enough for this car. Most full-size sedan owners are men (70%), and so are most Toyota Avalon owners (70%). However, according to J.D. Power data, the median age of a large car owner is 60 years, whereas the median age of an Avalon owner is 68 years. Not surprisingly then, 81% of Avalon owners are members of the Pre-Boomer or Baby Boomer generations, compared to 60% of all large car owners. J.d. power
@@normt430 now what makes you think I’m not old enough for this vehicle? I’m about to turn 30 this summer dude. So technically I’m old enough to own an Avalon TRD. 🤣
@@normt430 but at this age like me, I really don’t care if it’s mostly consider as a grandpa car. An Avalon TRD can be an uncle car too so lol. But anyways, to me I would be more than happy to own an Avalon TRD. One day I will. And that ain’t a bs. This is a must have flagship.
@@normt430 I mean we use to own a 2014 Toyota Avalon XLE for my father, and he was a grandpa. And I borrow his vehicle and let me tell you, it felt pretty damn nice to drive Japanese luxury car like the Avalon. I did try the new 2019 Toyota Avalon at Toyota dealer about 2-3 years ago. It was a lot more roomier than I thought. When they move the Avalon, it sounds even better, not even quiet as I was thought it would be.
@@toyotabrony Avalon sales dropped to 18K in 2020 or about 1/3rd drop from 2019. Even with TRD, Fsport, Inspiration Series, like SE trims of the past decades, Toyota cannot stop the double digit decline of passenger cars. People want to sit up higher and not have bend down in a sedan. They want to AWD and ground clearance in a SUV.
Hey Alex my brother! Would love to hear your prefrence between Avalon TRD and Lexus ES350 F???? Debating between the two cars and having a really hard time! Thanks friend!
Alex, your scoring system again is perplexing. If the Avalon, as you say, outhandles all its competition, why the "A-"? Should logically be scored an A or (gasp) A+. Your scores seem arbitrary and umm capricious.
I hate to say it but these trims are laughable. They just seem hokey and contrived. I know the entire sedan segment is trying to attract new customers by being "sporty" but this just seems so fake. It almost has a ricer feel to it, all it's missing is a big fake wing on the trunk lid.
@@ovp66223 The hot summer swamp is no fun and that one option is really pushing me towards an Accord, Stinger or a Fusion assuming I can find that last one optioned right. It would be awesome if ventilated seats were more common without having to option up on trim or brand.
@@ZealofSparta Exactly. I laugh at the "heated steering wheel included". Yeah, that's a BIG selling point here in Atlanta....not. It's as if car-makers ignore potential customers between the 35 degree latitudes.
@@phlydude Canada doesn't even get the TRD Avalon because the standard Avalon averages less than 800 sold units across the country. Dealers don't keep them in stock because it just sits there 🤷🏽♂️
@@toyotabrony I can count the number of Avalons I've seen in the wild on my fingers up here in Vancouver, Canada. Canada averages less than 800 sold units nationwide. No TRD for us either. Surprised they haven't taken it off our market.
I see the AWD Camry also comes with only the 2.5L. It doesn't take a genius to tell that means the AWD transmission can't handle the power of a V6. Sad, especially when the current Ford/GM AWD transmission can easily handle 400+ hp.
Toyota Designer: Hey! we just designed fugly sedan LOL Toyota Execs: OMFG this is ugly! Let's make it! Toyota Dealers: OMFG this is ugly! Let's sell it! Toyota Buyers: OMFG! this is ugly! I'll buy it!
Remember when full size sedans had 20 cubic foot trunks? Pepperidge Farm Remembers... (Totally unrelated I wish that Toyota's V6's made more torque - that 267 lb ft is so low compared to the HP number. Oh and then take the time to reprogram your soft lazy transmissions on the TRD variants.)
@@davevolz6138 Wake up Bud, those plans have been in the works with CAFE predetermined compliance years set a long time ago. It ain’t Joe Biden that’s responsible for all that is wrong. Your precious Messiah Douchie Donald couldn’t undo CAFE regulations for ya?
@@davevolz6138 okay so enlighten me... what is your persuasion if you are using the “Sleepy Joe” nickname? And did I misunderstand sarcasm for seriousness with your “Yay” ?
This is why I’m very happy with my 2019 XSE Avalon. More sporty then the other trims but still comfy and don’t have to worry about scraping the front. I changed out my mufflers and got a very nice exhaust note with not too much drone. Also put the K&N typhoon intake on it too and got more intake sound. Also running premium fuel the engine does remap and gives you the power of the Lexus version with 311hp/280tr. I love my Avalon. 34k miles on it so far. Came from a 2017 challenger RT.
I love my Avalon TRD. I’m 6’2” and 225 pounds and wanted something big and comfortable for real world driving that provided more handling precision than my SUV. This car fit the bill perfectly. I was going to get the touring over the limited, both for the aesthetics and the Adaptive Variable Suspension. But I ultimately decided on the TRD trim. I know it’s subjective, but I think this car looks beautiful. Pictures do not do it justice! The tangential vents, and the aero kit is all fully functional; 0.27 coefficient of drag is better than average. The TRD wheels are lighter and better quality, and, in my opinion better looking than the Touring wheels. It’s been lowered 0.6 inches, thicker bracing underneath, stiffer springs, beefier breaks, makes this car an absolute pleasure to drive, and I haven’t scrapped the front splitter on anything. Oh, and that Cat-Back exhaust sounds fantastic. I don't drive like a maniac, but if you need to drive aggressively, you can. I think this car handles great for such a large car. I have no problem getting up to speed with that rock solid naturally aspirated V6. I’m personally glad they didn’t do anything to the engine for the TRD trim. I can pretty much drive what I want, but I chose the Avalon TRD over the Lexus ES, and cost was not a factor in my decision; I paid cash. I think the Avalon TRD looks better than the Lexus ES. 2021 is the last year they will offer the TRD trim, so if you are thinking about getting one, jump on it, you won’t be sorry.
Same. I wanted a sporty daily and picked this over Lexus ES and other Avalon trims. Super comfy and love the way it looks (in black). Miss some features on Touring, but dont like the way Touring looks. Got the last new TRD in the DMV back in early October.
Hey @Alex on Autos thank you for another great in depth video! You touched on a lot of the same points I experienced when I drove the Avalon TRD back in November and I wanted to share a few more points if you are cool with that. But first to answer your question as to what I would put my money on compared specifically to the Avalon's TRD trim it would be either 2017+ Fusion Sport (Great value and very well balanced in all traits aside from being slightly smaller and with a dark interior), the Kia Stinger (Large, comfy, practical, and sporty but the most expensive), or the Accord Touring 2.0T (Best all around but the least sporty).
I appreciate that a reliable brand is trying to appeal to those of us who want daily practicality and sportiness and the Avalon TRD is a good first step. HOWEVER, much of their effort comes off as...immature...in some ways whether it be the caricature grills, obnoxious exhaust that stops being fun as soon as you are up to cruising speed in any traffic, or that the suspension feels spiteful as if the family teenager took his mom's hand me down car to a second rate tuning shop and put the cheapest lowering springs they can find on the car.
Don't get me wrong, this car can be fun if you are on a well paved road in the mountains but once these lay on a few miles and you end up back in the daily grind it loses its appeal far quicker than other sedans sporty or not. I have driven a lot of the current crop of cars, including many miles on Toyotas, but as far as the remaining field goes their personalities feel a bit too much like an On/Off switch and that makes me a bit sad that sedans like the Fusion has either gone away or languished on the product vine because it is not "the most profitable product in the world" for a lineup. Now the Toyota's have improved remarkably and I want them to succeed but they need to refresh what they think as sporty because for a while now it seems like their only vision of which seems to be "Fast and Furious" and in your face all of the time.
The reason I mentioned the Ford Fusion earlier is the Avalon TRD that I put miles on reminds me a lot of the 2010 Ford Fusion Sport but with adaptive cruise control and lane keeping added on. The handling, acceleration, and the general fun factor is there in a reasonably practical, comfortable, and fuel efficient package but with a larger and nicer interior and had moderately improved acceleration thanks to 40 additional HP and 2 extra gears.
In conclusion, it felt very similar in mostly a good way to that old Fusion Sport and that would be great if one is looking to maintain that experience in a nice reliable package. That said it was very jarring how the dealers I have dealt with were adamant about asking above MSRP to the tune of nearly $47,000 for something that lost many of its positive attributes of being a reasonably priced large comfortable sedan from a reliable manufacturer in pursuit of what one of its rivals had done a decade before. I really truly wanted to like it as sedan alternatives are dwindling but at that luxury car price and some un-luxurious drawbacks the TRD Avalon feels disingenuous to itself and some of its potential customers.
It is a good car but it deserves a bit more attention from Toyota. They may still be steadily testing the waters like I've known them to do for so long so maybe they will surprise my when it comes up for a refresh/redesign. Things I think they should address first are things that would improve the daily experience such as incorporating a version of their adaptive suspension, adding a bi-valve mode to the exhaust to accentuate the duality of its nature, and tone down the try-hard bits like the oversized side skirt that makes it very awkward to get in and out of what is supposed to be a large and comfortable car.
Given the size of the Avalon and the performance aspirations it would be good to compare it to the Honda Accord Touring 2.0T and the Kia Stinger but this comment has already transformed into an article. Thank you for all you do Alex and keep up the great work!
If anybody read this far I just want to say you are awesome!
If I had to get an Avalon I would get the touring trim level
Me too. But I’d get Avalon TRD. 🤘🏼
I personally have the ‘20 Avalon TRD. No regrets at all.
@@toyotabrony .
@@lesliequash8999 what? Lol
Same, touring all the way
Of all the choices, I'd take the Avalon Limited Hybrid. It's the least compromised choice in my mind.
Curious why you think that specific one is least compromised? Hybrid suits this car better or?
I want my big “old man” cars to be comfortable and quiet as a tomb. This trim makes zero sense. (Not to mention cannot haul 4 sets of golf clubs).
EXACTLY!!!
What am I gonna do with ONLY 3 sets of golf clubs? Errrmmmaaagheeerrrrd!
@@thecman26 Umm, Maybe he has friends!!!
@@wannabedal-adx458 Good job missing the joke. lol
@@nodak81 Yeah, I guess my sarcasm detector needs calibration. But my a$$hole detector is working great!! ;)
Personally own a 2020 Avalon TRD. Reliability and a hint of sportiness is all I need.. too busy making money to be having the cart sit at a shop (cough mercedes & bmw).
You should be retired and meeting the boys for donuts and coffee.
Most full-size sedan owners are men (70%), and so are most Toyota Avalon owners (70%). However, according to J.D. Power data, the median age of a large car owner is 60 years, whereas the median age of an Avalon owner is 68 years. Not surprisingly then, 81% of Avalon owners are members of the Pre-Boomer or Baby Boomer generations, compared to 60% of all large car owners. J.d. power
One thing worth noting is that the Camry TRD doesn't have folding rear seats, but the Avalon TRD does.
I don't know why your front seat comfort reviews are my favorite thing and you did not disappoint. You just said that the Avalon had the worst seats in the class lol
I'm shocked at how much an Avalon costs over a Camry. The $10k price premium is not worth it at all. Very much in the Lexus ES pricing wheelhouse. Do the Kia Stinger if you want a Sporty sedan or Lexus ES for comfort. The Avalon is not good at either yet costs the same. The TRD model not having awd with the V6 or at the very least a lsd is a miss.
Do a Kia stinger if you want to be shocked to trade in time. Or do an ES Lexus if you want to not tade it in ever!
I have an 05 Avalon Limited with the same engine,6 speed transmission.277k miles and still get that exact same fuel economy as this brand new one. One great car though
It's not the same engine, same size yes. 05 had 268hp, this has 301hp.
@@WaheedKhan-mm3pw the horsepower varies but it’s the same engine and it came out with 280 hp by the way
I never thought I'd ever hear Alex say "Reving the nuts off of it..." LOL
😂😂😂😂
I really hope Toyota makes that grille smaller on the 22 model year refresh.
When and if Toyota does EV they will need to do a major update as there is no need for a grill in EV.
I don't think Toyota is going to make the grille smaller for Avalon and the Lexus for the year 2022 people just have to learn to adapt.
@@robertortiz8540 if the grille is smaller then everyone will say it’s boring, basically the same story as way before
@@naveenthemachine can’t please everyone, there will always be somebody that find something to hate, and they usually blow that out of proportion too
@@FunkyRay2012 yeah. Unfortunately automotive journalists are so hard to please these days.
Toyota exterior design engineer: F'ck it lets just make the whole front end a grill.
Wish Ford would bring back the Crown Vic.
Yea and make it like a luxurious sedan
@@yes8032 Mercury Marauder!
@@chicagomike9778 muscle car. The Lincoln town car was the luxury version.
They brought back the Lincoln continental and then discontinued it because no one is buying large sedans anymore. A new crown Vic would be cool, but isn’t going to happen since there is no demand for a car like that.
Only if they can remain true to the Panther platform. Otherwise, the Taurus is close.
The big mouth grille trend needs to go! The design looks lazy.
Probably the biggest grill on a car I’ve ever seen even bigger than Audi and Bentley
Worse than the big bass mouth in Hyundai or the beaver kidney buck tooth bmw?
@@naveenthemachine Worse.
@@yes8032 Audi grilles at least look good tho
@@itsweetened yes 🙌
I purchased a 2019 Avalon Limited back in August 2019. I did so because I can't stand the softex "pleather" seating. It has most of what I want, a very quick sedan with great MPG and a non-turbo, rock-solid, naturally aspirated engine. I regularly get 27 MPG, 31 on highway drives with one passenger, and 300 pounds of gear in the trunk.
The most significant issues I have had are road noise from the horrible OEM Bridgestone tires, emphasis on "stone". They were rock hard and had horrible traction. After 18,000 miles I put Michelin Premier A/S tires on it and it rides quietly with little road noise.
The only other nagging issue is the inconsistent Toyota Entune 3.0. It frequently will not connect the apps or Alexa even though the phone apps on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10+ are connected.
Tire issue notwithstanding, I wish I had bit the bullet and gone with the ES 350 for seat comfort and quieter overall ride It would have been worth the extra $5,000 to $8,000 depending on trim level.
..."Gun it Grandma!"
I guess the little old lady from Pasadena is driving this if she bought Japanese.Go, granny, go!
1000% agree with the front end comments. The whole designs scream, "trying too hard to be youthful". Sure there's a market for that but the Avalon line has NEVER been about it. This just gives the Korean makers (Kia/Hyundai) way more opening to take away market share.
The whole concept begs the question: WHY? I’m sure this is a good review by Alex but the car is a oxymoron at best.
As someone who has never heard of the Avalon before and couldn't careless about its lineage and image, this NA 300 HP with bulletproof auto 8 is almost too good to be true. Same goes for the Camry TRD, and their low mileage used prices are so attractive for a Toyota.
I really like the idea of a sporty car with enough room for my 3 kids in child car seats (6mo to 6 years) and for me, their tall dad. But $43K without sporty front seats? Nope.
They don't sell the TRD Avalon in Canada because almost nobody buys an Avalon here.
Down to 18K sold in 2020 in the states too!
@@normt430 hope they're still selling it I. The states in 2026, I expect to either get a Mazda (3 or 6 or CX5), Toyota Avalon, or Lexus ES. But right now I'm trying to go as long as I can without a car
My neck is tall and I found the headrest in the 2021 Avalon TRD very restrictive and it felt uncomfortable. This was the only reason I did not buy it. To a lesser extent the muffler sound is cool, but after a while I have heard enough of the muffler droning. It is a very beautiful car.
Toyota really needs to fix the front end on this thing. I want to buy this car, but I just can't do it...
InuranusBrokoff Your Name... is it Russian? 😆
For the price I'd rather just get a Lexus IS...
Frontend looks like a Chevy Malibu with Toyota's ginormous grill.
@@ancientemblem I've driven an IS. Great performer, but my gym locker in high school had more room. I could not do it. As stated elsewhere, not offering the Avalon or the ES with the 3.5 v6 and AWD is disappointing, especially since getting rid of the GS.
@@markf8256 I can definitely see where you're coming from, currently drive a 2010 IS and I'm a smaller build so it fits well for me. Just for the price of the Avalon TRD I'd rather get a luxury sedan. So IS/Genesis/3series.
I haven't finished the video, but I'm sure it will be a great review as usual. On another note, are you looping your audio? I'm detecting an echo as if you're indoors. If so your timing is spot on. Just an observation. Carry on! LOL!
Toyota seems to have doubled-down on the ugly grill theme.
Why are people hating this. I would get it.
Alex on Autos, I have a 2020 Avalon XLE in Midnight Black, I like it because I'm driving in new style and good looks. I will say this dough kudos to Toyota they did a good job with the middle console touch screen. I'll tell you this for man my age you will never see me drive in the older model Avalon that looks like a square. The 2020 Avalon looks much better then the older model to me the Avalon is the cousin of the Lexus. I mean don't get me wrong I still like the Lexus but with the Lexus you are paying top dollar for the name with the Avalon you save some money.
Love your detailed explanation save for driving review where you have three separate screens. Why? Just place the camera somewhere on the passenger side B-puller that covers everything on the interior and put some B-roll of exterior driving.
I bought the Charger Scat pack. I did look into the Avalon (Ugly Front), Camry not as ugly but smaller (Im' 6'3). Sport sedans are getting harder to find for a Big guy
Same
I absolutely agree, large and comfortable sporting sedans are where it is at for us taller folk. The Germans seem to get that but their reliability for the price scares me. I hope the Charger gets a good redesign soon that keeps that wonderfully roomy packaging or Ford brings us back at least one large sedan!
This has got to be the most details avalon video I've seen, very nice
I like the C-pillar but not the grill on the Avalon. However, I agree with Alex, the Kia Cadenza is probably the better choice for value and ride quality as well as style.
All the Toyotas with those ridiculous grills are off my list. That's one of those historic styling features that folks will look back upon and ask, "What the hell were they thinking?!"
Heck, I said that from the moment they started making their grilles bigger than a whale sharks mouth
Cause you can’t afford the monthly payments..
@@dannynguyen1122 Payments?! Amazing what folks consider "normal" these days. My last car "payment" was back in 1982. All cash since then. You can't get ahead in life as long as you're supporting financial institutions. But the point is that the new Toyota products are ridiculous looking.
Then again there very unique design. Any models we see is sleek, sharp, and bold. While Toyota makes sharp,bold, and very aggressive. That’s what makes them unique. And I think it’s pretty awesome
@@toyotabrony I understand. To each his own. Back in the 50's folks wanted their cars to emulate jet aircraft. The "cool" form-over-function styling that resulted seems ludicrous in retrospect. This style shall pass quickly into obsolescence, too.
The grille....it’s just too big and the dimensions are so awkward and don’t fit with the rest of the Toyota lineup IMO
It looks nice at certain angles... complete horrific from the front though...
Granted,, pretty intimidating if one of these is breathing down on u. Never thought i wud call a toyota “intimidating”, but look where we are now😂😂😂
I've actually seen a decent amount of XSE, Touring, and even a few TRD Avalons, so I guess there is a market for a sporty Avalon. I'm personally not into cheesy looking sport addons on cars, and much prefer the elegant "Japanese Buick" of the XLE and Limited trims.
Me too. I want a little bit of power. But comfort and styling are more important to me now. I was looking at the XLE and Limited trims as well for the Avalon. Bought an "actual" Buick instead (2017 Buick LaCrosse Premium).
Yes sir I’m liking this car
Let me know when it gets a heavily modified V8 engine like the one that is being used in the Toyota Camry in NASCAR at the moment. Oh, and by the way, the Toyota Camry got 15 first place wins in the 2018 season and it had placed in the top ten every other race that season, so I think that the heavily modified Tundra engine that they used in those cars speaks for itself. Finally, if you want to know how crazy powerful it is, then it is around as powerful as a base model Hellcat engine, with even more room to improve in the future if people have the courage to make it happen in that vehicle.
Stoooop with the grills!
Next year's model will have the grill wrap around to the doors.
For real... anytime now.
NEVAH!!!!
This will be my dream vehicle to buy Alex.
My money was on the line and I bought a Avalon XSE - Kia just didn't enter into the equation, mainly because the dealers around this area are clowns who still have the mentality that their cars are meant for lower income people with bad credit. I was looking at the ES 350 but I was able to get something with the same drivetrain and a little less creature comforts for over $10k less - it was a no brainer. I used to love the Maxima but that CVT was a deal breaker. Dodge/Chrysler burned me years ago and I will never support that brand again.
Another excellent review... I’m killing time until there is a Bronco review :)
I think this car looks BADASS outside of the front grill.
Bad the key word.
I agree man. This Avalon TRD is one sharp ass lookin ride. And it’s a must have sedan
Toyota/Lexus designers out of their mind with the front grill. the huge grill, spindle style only looks good on LX570 and GX460/470. somehow it made its way to almost all models. I owned a few Toyotas in the past, but has no desire to buy another Toyota if this style of grill stays
@@SLee-vj4px man I would be happy to own this beautiful Avalon TRD. It’s very unique
@@toyotabrony I used to be Toyota fan, owned several new Toyotas including 96 Camry v6, 2008 Sienna, both with us for more than 12 years , never had any issues, just regular maintenance. But Toyota sleeps on their reliability reputation for too long. Later in these nonsense front grills started in Lexus, and gradually tricked down to Toyota models just too much for my taste
You'd think this wasn't just a trim based on the comments. Aren't these limited to 5k a year like the camry. They'll be rare and I think as a result this trim is fine. Most dealers will have 1 or 2 at most. So toyota totally understands how few they'll sale.
12:49 Alex, I wouldn’t agree that the stopping distance benefits from a larger brake rotor. Disk brake size matters more about heat dissipation.
It absolutely does help with the stopping distance.
That's why builders go larger on diameter with upgrades.
To max out the ability upgrade to EBC USR Rotors and YellowStuff brake pads or Redstuff pads if you want less wheel dust and slightly less stopping power that's still better than stock pads.
@@thisismagacountry1318 for 1-2 panic stops should matter very little. So long as your ABS kicks in, the limiting factor is still tires.
@@bikingmoments Wrong, if that were true race cars wouldn't upgrade their brakes beyond stock models on the showroom floor.
But I insist that you use regular brakes since your life isn't worth a few bucks.
Id get the Avalon Touring. Same price as a TRD and even fully loaded w the 360 cam and parking sensors, only 1K more than the TRD
There is a lot to dislike about nissan maxima??? No alex your definitely wrong here, the only thing to dislike about maxima is the cvt.. rest of the car is perfect. Far more upscale than Avalon both on inside and outside. I own a body shop and deal with cars everyday and can say that both avalon and maxima are amazing cars, but maxima is just better.
You are right Maxima is better thou Alex is a good car reviewer he will never praise the Maxima no matter what am not sure why. Check out the previous reviews on the Maxima over the years.
@@fashionngulube6511 i have not said he is bad reviewer. I love his videos he is very informative and prof. at what he does, but i highly disagree with his statement in regards to maxima. If anything its highly opinion based, coming only as its his view on the car. Maxima combines perfectly sportiness, design, comfort, tech etc for the year it was first designed - 2016. You cant blame a car for getting old it happens to all of us. When it first came out it beat everything on the market at its price and even the cars that cost (at that time) more. So to say alot to dislike is highly ... unfair. Could have said “great car but may not fit with everyone taste” simple 🤷🏼♂️
@@ElusiveRIDE I totally agree with you on your statement on The Maxima , but one things on Alex reviews on Maximas are always unfair in my opinion.
I know everyone hates the big grille trend but I honestly love it on the Avalon, I can't explain it. I guess I'm the target demo.
Too bad it's a bit too heavy and a bit too slow and I'm more of a 2door kinda guy, but I really do like the look of the TRD.
When they equip it with awd and a 6 cylinder engine I’ll buy it
Now that's a car . Probably the most reliable car ever made . Avalon is king . If you want no problems buy a avalon.
The genesis g80 too, the new one. It has a dual injection engine
Toyota Camry too
The Impala is 2nd to the Avalon in Consumer Reports rankings. But it was discontinued a few years ago. Looks like the new Camry-based Avalon hasn't improved much.
@@yes8032 Camry-based platform for all!
@@bradleyscarreviews lol let see how long it can last once it hits 100k miles. It’s not gonna as much as this Avalon
There seem to be a lot of cars or trims coming out that make no sense on their own but the company feels the need to keep a production line busy or give the impression the brand is making new things so they see what is in the parts bin that they can make a narrative about. There is only so much sporty one can cram into a long fwd sedan, and it seems like that limit was reached before this car was released.
The Buick LaCrosse has been discontinued for over a year and still sold almost half as many Avalons. Avalons sales are so poor at -34% drop from 2019.
That's why I'm glad I just picked up a 2017 LaCrosse!!
@@wannabedal-adx458 people are still buying the LaCrosse!
@@normt430 Yep, I got mine used of course within the past 4 months. And places couldn't keep them on the lots!!
@@wannabedal-adx458 there is a reason the LaCrosse wins every comparison test against against the Lexus ES since the Buick redesigned it in 2010!
This dude knows what he’s talking about.
Not your fathers, but certainly looking like your 19 year old brother’s!
7:22 uhm there is a handle on the inside of the trunk, on the right side of it..
Isnt it new Hyundai Azera direct competitor to this car,and it looks much better inside and outside in my eye
I like the Avalon but I feel like it’s to long in length and skinny on width, I like the Toyota Camry v6 design and size I like midsize and it fits my comfort
Nah! I like my Avalon soft and floaty like a Buick Park Avenue
Can't stand the grille. It's even worse than Acura RL.
Nah. It just got sexier than ever 😏
You should look in the mirror more than because it lookslike you can stand only how you would look in the mirror.
Can you start testing the auto driving features in vehicles? Also please do a full acceleration on video so we can hear engine & exhaust in cabin.
And see how slow it is!
Toyota : Look at my gigantic grill!
Genesis : Hold my kimchi!
I feel like Toyota didn’t really try with this car because they know it’s not going to sell well. Idk why they even bother to keep the Avalon around
With the Camry getting bigger, as nice as the Avalon, and $10K cheaper; my prediction is that Toyota is pushing out the Avalon completely in favor of the Camry. Everyone knows the name Camry so they opt to buy.
It's too bad they didn't do the 3.5 with AWD. The Charger and 300 may not get the V8 with it, but that still seems more enjoyable than the around 200hp 4 cylinder with AWD in the Avalon.
Alex are you nuts! the Avalon is nice in its own way, but the maxima SR handles waaaayyyyy better than this Avalon.. lol you an Sey praises Toyota I can Not! ! I'm just glad the petal didn't get stuck..alone with Toyota's other deadly issues..
You must be from the Ghosn !amily!?
@@davevolz6138 I’m from the Lambert family.. anymore questions?!
I’m a Ghost!
@@davevolz6138 as u should be 🙃
@@Mr.Lambert777 Guess the Ghosn joke went right over his head. Oh well catch you later. Heading to South America
Alex, why do you have a Grand Cherokee AND a Durango? Have you thought of vehicles that would be more different? If so, which ones?
Firm ride : what do you expect from 19'' wheels and tires with so much less height , certainly not a marshmallow ride .
Alex, what has happened to the people at Toyota designing the exteriors of these cars? The front end of this car is just plain ugly. I would be amazed if any of the seniors I hang out would find this design appealing. I guess if I had the money I would go for Kia K9. Keep your powder dry.
I had one of these and loved it- big boat that was pretty fast. Mine had reclining rear seats he didn't mention that.
The old Avalon used to have that. They got rid of it unfortunately
@@naveenthemachine why did you link the Kona ev fires then deleted it. You actually have sense to delete it because that is an ev, plus all evs catch on fire. Teslas!
i love neatly cut rugs
I have never liked the grille in this latest iteration, it looks like it’s unfinished, like the budget for the car was short or the timeline to launch was done...
Another detail
The Hyundai Elantra takes the design from this Toyota Avalon taillights, at the same time the Škoda Octavia take the design of the same from here, or backwards?
Now waiting for Camry TRD review
Wake up Toyota, the front of this car is keeping buyers away! Redesign for 2022, the inside and mechanicals are great, some buyers do care about design and this is a nightmare.
Man I would be more than happy, to own a 2020/2021 Toyota Avalon TRD in super sonic red. If I have more money, I’d pay if I’m full price. 😍😍😍😍😍
Most people your age have left Toyota as they don't want their parents car. You are not old enough for this car.
Most full-size sedan owners are men (70%), and so are most Toyota Avalon owners (70%). However, according to J.D. Power data, the median age of a large car owner is 60 years, whereas the median age of an Avalon owner is 68 years. Not surprisingly then, 81% of Avalon owners are members of the Pre-Boomer or Baby Boomer generations, compared to 60% of all large car owners. J.d. power
@@normt430 now what makes you think I’m not old enough for this vehicle? I’m about to turn 30 this summer dude. So technically I’m old enough to own an Avalon TRD. 🤣
@@normt430 but at this age like me, I really don’t care if it’s mostly consider as a grandpa car.
An Avalon TRD can be an uncle car too so lol. But anyways, to me I would be more than happy to own an Avalon TRD. One day I will. And that ain’t a bs. This is a must have flagship.
@@normt430 I mean we use to own a 2014 Toyota Avalon XLE for my father, and he was a grandpa. And I borrow his vehicle and let me tell you, it felt pretty damn nice to drive Japanese luxury car like the Avalon. I did try the new 2019 Toyota Avalon at Toyota dealer about 2-3 years ago. It was a lot more roomier than I thought. When they move the Avalon, it sounds even better, not even quiet as I was thought it would be.
@@toyotabrony Avalon sales dropped to 18K in 2020 or about 1/3rd drop from 2019. Even with TRD, Fsport, Inspiration Series, like SE trims of the past decades, Toyota cannot stop the double digit decline of passenger cars. People want to sit up higher and not have bend down in a sedan. They want to AWD and ground clearance in a SUV.
Hey Alex my brother! Would love to hear your prefrence between Avalon TRD and Lexus ES350 F???? Debating between the two cars and having a really hard time! Thanks friend!
Yup, the Darth Vader snorkel front end is not for everyone.
70% is fake
Ron Dail “Camry, I am your Father!”
@@brodiwheeler7583 obi wan Corolla your my only hope
@@cameronknowles6267 Fast Ship? Fast Ship? You’ve never heard of the Millenium Supra???
Alex, your scoring system again is perplexing. If the Avalon, as you say, outhandles all its competition, why the "A-"? Should logically be scored an A or (gasp) A+. Your scores seem arbitrary and umm capricious.
I hate to say it but these trims are laughable. They just seem hokey and contrived. I know the entire sedan segment is trying to attract new customers by being "sporty" but this just seems so fake. It almost has a ricer feel to it, all it's missing is a big fake wing on the trunk lid.
No ventilated front seat?!? Seriously out of consideration.
Toyota seats are shit
WHAT??? you are watching too much Raiti's rides as it seems LOL!
Thanks for pointing that out. Ventilated/cooled seats are a MUST for me here in the hot n humid Southeastern U.S.
@@ovp66223 The hot summer swamp is no fun and that one option is really pushing me towards an Accord, Stinger or a Fusion assuming I can find that last one optioned right. It would be awesome if ventilated seats were more common without having to option up on trim or brand.
@@ZealofSparta Exactly. I laugh at the "heated steering wheel included". Yeah, that's a BIG selling point here in Atlanta....not. It's as if car-makers ignore potential customers between the 35 degree latitudes.
I have a 2019 Avalon Touring love it. I chose it over the Camry and Maxima and yes the grille is a bit much but the car is fantastic.
This will go down in history as one of the craziest car designs ever. Way too much grille.
Not really. It’s gonna remain the same
He’s wearing the Steve Kornacki khaki pants. 😂😂
Minute 10 :20 Alex are a Dungeon Master? Look at those 🔑 🗝
LoL. Nice catch I missed that!
Toyota is cancelling the Land Cruiser in North America, but yet they make this...? 🤷🏼♂️
Down to 18K sold in 2020...the end is near.
🤔 Wait a minute, Toyota made the grill too small😳. Its looks like it wants to eat me. 😅😂🤣
My dealership has only sold one Avalon in all of 2020, let alone any TRD models lol. Nobody wants this car. Only one Camry TRD sold too.
they couldn't keep the TRDs in stock by me - either for the Camry or Avalon - MSRP only sales and a waiting list in Central Florida
Never say no one. I still see more Avalon’s than I thought. So there’s still people out there that wants an Avalon
@@phlydude Canada doesn't even get the TRD Avalon because the standard Avalon averages less than 800 sold units across the country. Dealers don't keep them in stock because it just sits there 🤷🏽♂️
@@toyotabrony I can count the number of Avalons I've seen in the wild on my fingers up here in Vancouver, Canada. Canada averages less than 800 sold units nationwide. No TRD for us either. Surprised they haven't taken it off our market.
@@ShafinRehman hopefully they hold the Avalon longer, make it a better price.
An ES350 is so much more attractive, inside and out for not a lot more.
I see the AWD Camry also comes with only the 2.5L. It doesn't take a genius to tell that means the AWD transmission can't handle the power of a V6. Sad, especially when the current Ford/GM AWD transmission can easily handle 400+ hp.
Strangely they have a v6 awd combo in their suvs. The Highlander and rx350. It’s the exact same D4S engine as the Avalon and Camry
Own the same car 2020 model and while it has it pros and cons, overall its just an alright car. Will be dumping it soon for something else.
@floyd watt yes i have started looking at a few but its really so many good choices out there its a battlefield.
Love this man!
Toyota Designer: Hey! we just designed fugly sedan LOL
Toyota Execs: OMFG this is ugly! Let's make it!
Toyota Dealers: OMFG this is ugly! Let's sell it!
Toyota Buyers: OMFG! this is ugly! I'll buy it!
lol, and lets make everything TRD. Yaris probably is the only one did not get the chance with TRD trim...:)
an used lexus es would make much more sense
Makes me miss the SC
Is trunk big enough for 2 people? Or just 1 and a small child?? ..... asking for a friend
Remember when full size sedans had 20 cubic foot trunks?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers...
(Totally unrelated I wish that Toyota's V6's made more torque - that 267 lb ft is so low compared to the HP number. Oh and then take the time to reprogram your soft lazy transmissions on the TRD variants.)
Love the Avalon, but the grill is a little much
Sorry, this looks like an aftermarket ricer job
Lol but there’s nothing rice about it at all.
@@toyotabrony This Avalon is so tacky it make a Civic Type R look like a Toyota Rental car.
@@mitchellc2723 it make look tacky. But it’s no where near it. It’s a flagship model. It’s far from being tacky.
@@toyotabrony It tacky. PERIOD. That front looks like some high school project that went really badly.
@@mitchellc2723 not even close to tacky. Tacky is most likely THATS flashy and bling at. This is just pure sinister look.
The is just all wrong for an Avalon, too many fake touches. Make a proper sports sedan with power and functional touches.
Is it possible to have a visual to compare trunk space among competitors similar to legroom/headroom?
If this had a V8 RWD or AWD it might be interesting. Who buys these?
With over-30% drop in sales to 18K in 2020 it won't be long.
Sleepy Joe is banning all gas guzzlers. Yay
@@davevolz6138 Wake up Bud, those plans have been in the works with CAFE predetermined compliance years set a long time ago. It ain’t Joe Biden that’s responsible for all that is wrong. Your precious Messiah Douchie Donald couldn’t undo CAFE regulations for ya?
@@brodiwheeler7583 Yeah banning all gas guzzlers. Then he says your precious Messiah. Color you confused.
You have no idea , my political persuasion
@@davevolz6138 okay so enlighten me... what is your persuasion if you are using the “Sleepy Joe” nickname? And did I misunderstand sarcasm for seriousness with your “Yay” ?
Grill is ridiculous . Really stupid looking........like Lexus. I guess they never heard of understated luxury
Bring back the Cresida 🤴