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The BIG Carbon Off-Setting con with Ketan Joshi | The Fully Charged Podcast 198
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- Опубликовано: 4 фев 2023
- Robert’s podcast guest this week is Ketan Joshi, an Australian Clean Energy researcher & author, currently based in Oslo, Norway.
Ketan’s work is focussed on Corporate Net Zero targets and delving deeper into their emissions claims to investigate if they really do stack up.
Covering topics like Carbon Capture & Storage, Carbon Off-setting, how large-scale Manufacturing is delaying the transition to electric by off-setting carbon and not cleaning their act up, and why Australia’s new Government EV policy projections are actually moving backwards!
Ketan takes Robert through this shrouded world of creative accounting, and we get to hear how the numbers get fudged, the targets get missed, and the fossil fuels just keep getting burned!!
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Great to see another Aussie interviewed. Just wish Corps and Govt would spend more time actually reducing emissions instead of beating around the bush and coming up with distractions & excuses.
Love your work Ketan Joshi, great interview Robert
Great interview Robert and a great guest. Really interesting insights.
I really love this guy's warm laughter.
You mean the "nervous laughter" ... from both sides?
Probably from trying to understand on one side and hoping the flim flam is going to be swallowed whole on the other.
No wonder we see less and less comments as time goes by.
As a fellow Brit, could you please do a video looking at what home kits are available to allow people to potentially go off grid for power, using solar panels & batteries? Two bit d's Vinci just did a video looking at Ecoflow, & I found they have a UK division, with products like "EcoFlow DELTA Pro + 400W Rigid Solar Panel" designed for people to setup themselves; they can put the panels anywhere, even just on the floor. I think a video looking at DIY kits like this, when having "professionals" do it costs a fortune, would be VERY useful for your viewer's. If you included UK available suppliers focus, as there's no-one really doing that, it would be especially appreciated!
Google Gadget John ecoflow.
Worrying.
Check out Andy in the RUclips OffGridGarage and his website for all you need
I have 18 solar panels and a tesla Powerwall. It provided 96% of our total consumption ( May-Oct) including all mileage in 2 tesla vehicles. £12k in 2021.Less now.
@@EvEvangelist Nice! Did you install that yourself?
Thank you again Robert. Have a great holiday.
Good point on it being more likely in Australia to talk about ‘go for an electric vehicle’ rather than ‘go for a _small_ electric vehicle’ although on a slightly more positive note even for Australians American ‘utes’ are _too big_ . There is a podcast where one of the presenters test drove an American ute and in America in big open places built for it it made sense, but he was joking about spending half an hour just trying to find a place to park the damn thing near his house in a city suburb.
Also came back from shopping in my country town once to what I think was an American ute that was taking up two parking spaces and you just sort of look at it and go _how_ / ‘why on earth would you do this to yourself?’ . I can’t imagine trying to park that thing all the time.
Also that time I came back to find a Mini parked right next to my car and I was just utterly floored at how big the damn thing was, there was nothing ‘mini’ about it.
We've been personally paying to offset double our estimated family emissions for 4 years.
We're already vegetarian, pay for "Green" energy, only have an electric car and we take almost no flights.
I will continue doing so, but this has made me a little nervous about it, I do look at how they do this for us.
We have 1488 trees planted for us apparently and have removed over 100 tonnes of CO2.
It was ironic having an episode in Australia about how offsets aren't effective and then also commenting how many roofs in Australia have solar. I wonder if they realise that most Australians who have solar got it at the price they did because they surrendered SCTs. What's an SCT? It's a carbon offset scheme. Depending on when or where you build you get about 20% off the non offset price.
I agree offsets often don't work for the reasons described, but the Australian rooftop solar success has been largely based on offsets.
It's hard not to feel like we're screwed in regards to getting our emissions down. It's all talk, minimal action. We're not going to have most of our cars ev untill 2050 at the earliest let's be honest, and even then it won't solve all the other emissions from industry.
That's one of my best friends'arguments: the transportation sector is a small portion of the global carbon emissions. We do what we can right?!
@@rngalston yeah 👍
When I hear in the street: “yeah, EVs are too expensive, they can’t take me far enough, my diesel/petrol car works fine for now, I’ll continue to “pollute a bit longer😁””, then you know that it is hard to get people to switch. But I don’t give up. I talk and demonstrate to anyone all the time about climate change, my EV, energy efficiency, renewable energies. I think the more people realise how the clean energy revolution works just fine and is great, the more people will embrace it. But the price is the argument that you cannot fight against easily. 🤷🏻♂️
Ruled by accountants, die by accountancy.
I think in the western world most sold cars (>70%) will be electric as early as 2030.
People will start to realize it makes no sense to buy a new gas powered car by then.
I feel that politicians have failed us again. Off-setting emissions is not necessarily a bad concept for industries that can’t do otherwise. But it should be enshrined in law that off-setting can only be done via tree planting (one of the cheapest and most efficient carbon capture technology available). The trees planted should be assigned once and for all to that company wishing to off-set, should not be transferable and should be monitored in time to check that the off-setting plan is met over time. With obviously a requirement to plant more trees to replace those that end up dead for whatever reason.
Reports have already been done that suggest there’s not enough suitable land for all the tree planting offsets that have either already been sold, or promised. The only way to reduce carbon emissions, is to reduce carbon emissions.
@@matpat2636 I agree. It just goes to show how the current off-setting system has been insidiously deceptive, should be designed to be realistic and to truly work alongside with the reduction of emissions.
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Just yesterday, Honda said that they were "doubling down" on hydrogen cars. Not trucks, cars. As if it worked so well for Toyota. Is
it just me, or are the vehicle manufacturers in Japan ignoring electric vehicles on purpose? There are a few, the Honda "E", for example, but they are tiny and expensive. I guess the companies can say, "Hey, we tried, but not many WANTED to buy our electric car".
Aye, Japanese manufacturers are way behind the rest of the world. American companies, Chinese companies, and even Turkish and Saudi companies (which aren't making EVs now but are supposed to be in the 2040) are ahead of them!
When you change the colour of the chooks in the cookhouse, it's still the same operation run by the same foxes, or feral law dogs as before. A steady state cynic is well justified.
Supposing all the access to answers is, as Einstein said, "Simpler than you think, and the materials you need to find them are at hand", (approx equivalent), the current attribution for elemental creation of the Universe to an unseen Authority, an Origin of empirical shaping laws, is true enough in that the knowledge of what, how and why things happen as they do is subject to analysis and discovery of Euler's Elemental Fusion Function continuous containment creation. Holography is inside-outside Singularity-point positioning by the concept of frequency reciprocal connection, simple resonance bonding of potential positioning. Math-Physics is the trick of making the invisible potential visible and useful, kind of magical thinking in Actuality, and as upsetting to practising Physicists as CCS is to almost everyone who has an effective thinkum.
So can I pay someone else to take a test for me and I would get the passing grade this is how this company are doing it?
The strapline to this episode should read, “The road to hell is paved with good intentions”, though in the corporate sphere, this interpretation would be giving many businesses the unwarranted benefit of the doubt.
This is a great strapline and is one I would use to describe the outcome of climate change policies. Increasing energy prices that much that it will and has killed those already on the breadline
Very good to the point intro 👍
Mr Bobby, Mr Ketan... A bus company between Canberra & Sydney..? If I could round up some industry types & funding, would you two influential gentlemen join me in endorsing it? Further, would you like to be token founders in such a company?
I happen to be meeting with such a group in mid March, after I come back from FC Live Sydney.
the ONLY way I can see out of our capitalist insanity is to make it financially worthwhile for people to SHARE jobs we AGREE we NEED to have done and work much less. No more working and doing anything FOR money but sharing the work we need. No more an infinite growth system on a finite planet.
Re the Sydney to Canberra Electric Bus. This would be a classic Hyperloop proposition!
Travel time an hour or less. Less than the time to fly, starting and finishing at the same places.
2 kids!? Geez, it's been a long time since I was on Twitter with Ketan.
Climeworks are removing a few 1000 tons per year. This model is not going to make any significant difference to CO2 in the atmosphere.
The one area where we can actually get to negative emissions in the tens of GT per year is natural carbon sequestration on rewilded land.
This is where the numbers on emissions from agriculture, especially animal agriculture, are nearly always misrepresented.
Animal ag causes about 15% of direct carbon emissions. However that is only one small part of the picture. If we weren't doing animal ag at all and everyone was getting their nutrition from plants, we would no longer need 3 billion hectares of the land we currently farm (both arable land and pasture). Rewilding that land would draw down 26GT of carbon per year for 30 years.
That represents 65% of current annual emissions. So the total net saving of emissions would be 80%.
This is why dietary change to nearly completely plant based diets is such a big deal. It is the only tool in the toolbox for actually pulling down the large amounts of CO2 in that atmosphere that we now need to to avoid catastrophic global heating.
In 1975 PBS in US had a new science series called Nova. The first show was called our hydrogen future. Fifty years ago. Still no hydrogen.
The example of the hospital helicopter..... offset has to go into inventing and producing a drone to carry people.... which eventually becomes a drone to carry patients.
What does making it a drone have to do with it using fuel? I don't see the difference, gasoline is gasoline whether the vehicle is controlled locally, remotely, or autonomously.
@@lua-nya In his mind, helicopters are all avgas, and all drones are like the tiny quadcopters no matter their size.
@@lua-nya There are now manned drones using batteries.
Thank you
Corporations should be required to keep records of emissions no different from financial records. Structure is already in place just add another function.
Spring Hill is well and truly gentrified, definitely not poor.
‘Made with renewable energy’ might be an easier way of actually having something measurable and able to be held to account than carbon credits or carbon capture. Granted it isn’t perfect either because say a company could actually be making their products with non-renewables but just be buying renewable energy somewhere else when I really would like metal for example to be directly made with renewables, or electric planes rather than offset ICE planes, but if there was also official labels that could show ‘directly made and/or powered via renewable energy’ vs ‘indirectly powered and/or made by renewables’ so there is transparency to customers and there can still be that push and incentive for continuous improvement and reason to invest in said improvements rather than say metal made with renewable energy offsetts being rated at the same level as metal made with renewable energy directly…. or at least they aren’t burning fuel on site and if they are using power from the grid it’s from a renewable company.
Australia now has a bar that shows how much percent it’s made in Australia, maybe have that with products made with renewable energy was it mostly made with renewables or just the dreaded 10% so they can say ‘partly made in’ without having to push for anything more.
Also there is the whole product ingredients thing… really don’t like how ‘Vegan’ is the new code word for ‘it’s plastic sold as a luxury product even though it’s cheaper and easier for us to make, oh and it may not last as long or be as nice to work with but it’s Vegan so therefore it’s Good and Green (because Vegan and Environmentalism go hand in hand right?) and all those lovely things so you can’t get mad at us about it!’ Ugh.
Where is Natalie Bassingthwaighte?
Robert, how are you this sunny morning in Goonellabah on North Coast NSW?
We are having a Zoom meeting tonight. Some of the Teams and companies include:
• Project Facilitator
• SIPform
• Tractile.
• Direct Building Solution
• NB Consulting Engineers
We will employ consultants and local trades. So, if you live on North Coast NSW, we like to hear by the middle of the year. We will be onsite in July 2023.
Nickel Energy and I are having EV and Renewable Energy field day in Lismore in approximately Sept or Oct 2023. I will confirm the time later.
Fully Charged LIVE- ICC Sydney from 11th to 12th March 2023. I will be there in Sydney.
1. The PV in total 934,370m2 - Tractile tiles 45,000m2 and - Tesla PV panel 887,400m2. The Team and I will add another a million m2 of Arctrech Solar Tracking by 2030. Enough electricity for all residents (41,500) Lismore. We will charge a potential wholesale AS$0.10 per kW. I have included a spreadsheet XCEL22-09-24 LAGOON GRASS RD-RO5 if you want the PDF.
2. Bi-Charging of BEVs two per house and 12 charging stations in the shopping centre.
3. Micro-grid that connects to a community of 4800 residents. By 2030 we will provide all electricity to 41,500 residents of Lismore.
will you ?
Sounds great
I heard somewhere that ground mounted solar ended up cheaper than solar tracking systems as although ground mounted (flat on ground) made less electricity the CAPEX was so much less that it didn't matter 🤷
@@Lewis_Standing Lewis, Arctrech Solar Tracking are 1.50-time efficient using MAXEON 3 POWER: 415-430 W | EFFICIENCY: Up to 22.7%
I am Zoom meeting tonight at 8.00 pm:
Some of the Teams and companies include who are attending:
• Project Facilitator
• SIPform
• Tractile
• Direct Building Solution
• NB Consulting Engineers
• Xlam
• Arctech Solar Tracking
@@rivergladesgardenrailroad8834 😁🥸😎🤓Yes, we will.
I am Zoom meeting tonight at 8.00 pm:
Some of the Teams and companies include who are attending:
• Project Facilitator
• SIPform
• Tractile
• Direct Building Solution
• NB Consulting Engineers
• Xlam
• Arctech Solar Tracking
Tony Abbott's delays meant nuclear power did not get going.
Yeah, carbon capture is a marketing talking point and reduces carbon emissions so little as to be negligible.
Australia's tax department has no idea how the big vehicles can be paid for given declared incomes.
😂😂😂😂😂
What are you on?!
Won't take them that long to remedy that situation.
If there's opportunities to impose taxes on anything you can be sure those opportunities will be exploited sooner or later.
@@t1n4444 cash economy is what the government is targeting I am told.
Actually unusual spending happens at times over the years and becomes a tax interest.
But obviously some people know more than me.
On nothing much actually..
@@stephenbrickwood1602
Hmm, explain in more detail and from where you gained this information.
👌👌👌
Where are the electric minivans and campervans?
Not profitable like SUVs.
Who's making the comparison anyway? SUVs are for suckers and wankers
2 weeks, Tesla.
250/300 km s to c
Maybe have the poor chap back when he's had some sleep
You OK robert? Your looking a bit thin.
I think he's just being melted by the Aussie heat.
The legacy of wind turbines. Millions of worn-out wind turbine blades, containing poly- and perfluoroalkyl substances, perfluorooctanoic acid and perfluorooctane sulfonates. They cant be recycled so they are left to rot. Clean and green they said. How’s that working out?
Why are you both laughing?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This bloke's an "expert" alright.
The emissions are already out there in the atmos' and these "offsets" can't put the emissions back in the bottle.
Robert looked utterly confused ... which is perfectly acceptable because the entire topic is utter flim flam.
Best thing is to ignore the hype entirely.
The world has greened by 15% in the last 15 years and crop yields have increased due to increase in CO2. I don’t think we should be provoking anxiety when the outcome isn’t as catastrophic as we’re lead to believe
Increased CO2? Are you silly? It's obviously because of mechanised agriculture reaching the third world. Fertiliser and combine harvesters make this kind of increase. 15% can't be done by CO2.
"isn't as catastrophic"....... Yet.
CO2 is the gas of life . Strange Robert dont get that fact.
Two eco hypocrites telling everyone else what to do and then happy to use long aircraft to get around the world. Talk the talk but don’t walk the walk !🧐
Comments like this are ultimately ridiculous. Nobody is proposing no long distance travel at all for any reason. Actually short haul flights are far worse than long haul flights anyway.
I know that the travel issue irks Robert anyway but his wife’s family live in Australia and there is no other way to get here.
@@robsengahay5614 No ! He has been called out for this on many occasions travelling to the fully charged show in America. It’s purely about money and self promotion. Anyone travelling to the fully charged show by Air is a Eco hypocrite!
@@lesliecarter4295 He has only been to one show in America as far as I know but that is irrelevant. As the head of the organisation he needs to be at these exhibitions. All the exhibitors are travelling as are those attending. If you think that we need to put a stop to all travel or else we cannot speak about climate change you are disingenuous at best.
@@robsengahay5614 He is just a virtue signalling figure head and could easily perform that function by video link. Do you want to reduce CO2 or does money mean more to you. ?
@Leslie Carter He's very pointed in his criticism of your industry's shenanigans; for someone who is "just enjoying telling people what to think, as you are doing ".
There were ~600 Fossil fuel Lobbyists at the recent COP. They are smart, well trained and harmonised in their story telling about Hydrogen and CCS. One days delay of the current transition to renewables is worth 3000 Million dollars to Big Oil. ( their daily net profit globally) How would you spend it if you knew the only viable and beneficial outcome was to DELAY?
The lobbyists are much smarter than their target audience of Gov representatives and Mainstream Media. @EvEvangelist