Gotta respect a guy who is impartial, then does his due diligence and follows up, then relays to us exactly what transpired. I'm impressed... if only you ran for office! ;-)
Watched your 1st video (Bersa 380 FTF) with great interest. I have a Bresa 380 FireStorm (basically the SAME gun) with the SAME problem ! I love this gun and it has been my EDC for many years. Very reliable, accurate and easy to carry. But then one day at the range, Ready, Aim, Fi... CLICK! A sick feeling! Can't trust it anymore! I'm not a GunSmith, not very experienced with guns in general, but I do have a GOOD understanding of mechanics and how things work and I recognized that it was a light hit on the primer. Shot it a time or two more and it worked but failures were getting worse & worse. I also noticed that the firing pin was sloppy and not exposed to the hammer (which would account for light hits & mis-fires). The Internet is a WONDERFUL THING. I found an exploded diagram in a parts catalog which enabled me (and gave me the confidence) to perform "exploratory surgery" on my BABY. When I removed the firing pin I found that the inertia spring had began to wind down past the stop on the firing pin and was no longer positioning the firing pin back toward the hammer. The firing pin was just randomly positioned somewhere after each shot (which might explain some comments about how you hold the gun). I ordered a new firing pin and inertia spring from (I really can't remember where). The new firing pin looked like it just came out of a casting and was so rough looking that I put the new inertia spring on the old firing pin and reassembled the gun. Took it to the range and VOILA! fires great! Inspected the shell casings and found nice SOLID hits. Also, the firing pin is positioned rearward and exposed to the hammer. SUCCESS !!! Months Later ... New problem: Random FTF's. Gun works, but random FTF's with all 3 magazines (mostly with various mfr. FMJ target ammo). This problem sounds EXACTLY as described in your FTF video. I took it to a GunSmith (who is a personal friend) and he could see no reason for these FTF's. He polished the ramp but gun is still finnicky. I was on the edge of my seat watching your 2nd follow-up video after you got your Bersa back from the GunSmith in Texas ... WTH ??? I LOVE this gun but I'm starting to think NEW gun for EDC (been un-comfortable carrying it this long). I was really hoping to hear a resolution ! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience on this RUclips channel. If ANYONE has a cure for these FTF's please let me know.
I love the Bersa Thunder 380. I’ve owned 5 Bersas including the little cc version and all worked great. I gave them as gifts to friends. Wonderful guns. You did a very good review of the gun’s ability to function and Bersa should appreciate your professionalism. If a Bersa doesn’t work well, send it back to the factory for repair. Great video, friend. I will watch all of your vids now. Thanks.
I'm not even done with this video and just hit the "subscribe" button solely based on your great disposition. I really appreciate people who just want to produce tried and true experience videos and don't really care what people think. You sir are someone I'd happily buy a brew for if we ever crossed paths. Regards, -Wes
@@buffalosoutdoors Whenever the gun is presented with light primer strikes, we change the springs and while we're at it do a trigger job at the same time. We charge the customer for 1 hour of labor plus the parts. 90% of buyers are happy and we never see them back, but 10% (maybe) come back in with some sort of small problem. I still like them.
I own the same gun. The slide flew off in the first 50 rounds, returned to Bersa gunsmith who replaced the slide lock (lever mechanism to remove the slide). Next the C clip broke shortly thereafter which I replaced myself. Gun has more than a thousand trouble-free rounds thru it, and I trust it for carry. My wife already has the standard Bersa Thunder 380, and I just bought the combat model. We love all three and I find the combat to be the best shooter for me because of the rubber grips with finger grooves, and slightly larger beaver tail compared to my CC model. We have the more name brand guns, Kahr, Ruger, Beretta, Glock, and SW, but love our Bersas' the best. Any gun can and will break (like my Beretta Nano which after the sixth repair, and a major failure had to go because of reliability issues). Bersa guns have an excellent reputation, a HUGE loyal ownership group, and can't be beat with the original owner lifetime warranty. Great review.
I sent my Bursa BP9CC in for warranty work recently. The pistol shot fine, but the mag release and slide release were hard to work. I sent it to Bursa's repair center in Indiana, American Arsenal Armory. It was a bit slow due to COVID restrictions, but they were easy to work with and did super repairs. I can now work the pistol in all respects with shooting hand only. This is a fine pistol at a reasonable price. Good luck finding one anywhere today.
Our trigger assembly would not function after the first 30 rounds. Got it repaired and they significantly upgraded the trigger bar. It has been 100% reliable since. Thanks for your honest review.
My guess would be there was a bit of machining grit in the firing pin assembly that worked it's way out. I've seen that twice in a pair of Beretta handguns. Since then I do a full dis-assembly and clean of any new gun when I get hold of it.
The problem you had with your Bersa is so rare that less than 1 in 7,000 Bersa pistols ever have to be repaired under warranty. I think your viewers deserve to know this as some of them could benefit from ownership of this fine weapon.
Well, it actually wasn't repaired. He said that the repair shop said that they didn't do anything to the gun because they couldn't find anything wrong. Means bersa is still reliable in my book. I think it was him or it just needed to be broken in.
The first thing I do before buying a new firearm is look up what kind of issues other folks have had with it. So I really appreciated both your previous video as well as this one. It’s great that you took the time and effort for both of em. Fortunately, I haven’t had any issues with the Bersa Thunder that I bought, but I was at least well informed before my purchase and that was thanks you. Keep doin whatcha do my friend! 👍🏻👍🏻
Buffalo I watch your channel because I like your unbiased opinion. You always came across humble and honest. No ego...I will continue to watch your channel because of how you present your topic...Don't change bro...Keep up the great job!
I've got 2 Bersa Thunder .380's, one had the trigger reset malfunction after about 1500rounds. Sent it in,got it back,& it's been fine for 750 rounds so far. My other one has 2050 rounds through it with no problem. I like them, that's all I can say....I'm keeping them!
@@buffalosoutdoors You have problems with Bersa thunder 380cc...... I think your problems maybe you don't know gun period...... Maybe you need help with that.....
I think your problem is you fucked off in English class. How small is your dick that you get buttmad when someone has a problem with a gun? Grow up, kid. @@Honestandtruth007
@@buffalosoutdoors It may have something to do with factory policy. As of right now, you have over seven hundred likes. That's seven hundred possible customers, not to mention those who saw the first video. Nothing to sneeze at. I doubt, however; that a reputable gun smith would lie to you for the same reason. The gun "community" (I hate that word) on RUclips is quite large, and the likelihood of you mentioning his name is pretty good (you did). So, in the process of examining the weapon, the stray gremlin fell out unnoticed and that was that.
The slightest bit of debris or even carbon from firing one of these can cause light primer strikes. My best guess is he cleaned it out better than is usually possible for the average shooter, or he would even think of doing.
Must have been a gremlin. Glad to hear it is working now. My wife has a Thunder 380 (not the CC) and it works great. I think it is one of the best .380’s for price available.
I own 3 Bersa's...I cc my Bersa CC 24/7...I have literally put 1000's of rounds through my Bersas...never once had any type of problem...100% reliable with all kinds of ammo
Very interesting video I've owned many Bersa thunder 380's over the years and have never had an issue but not saying it can't happen to any gun for that matter, I'm guessing when you sent it to be repaired the gunsmith completely disassembled it and maybe didn't notice but some sort of debris came out that was causing the malfunctioning great video 👍👍
I have been seriously pondering the purchase of a Bersa 380. Contrary to interpreting the first video along with this one and thinking I should shy away from a Bersa, this has convinced me to go ahead and buy one. Why? Because it shows that Bersa stands behind its guns and warranty and will actually fix any lemon. That means a lot and I am pretty sure a Bersa Thunder Plus Combat (15 rounds) will be coming my way soon.
Thank you- I’m so glad to see that a Bersa can consistently cycle more than just the factory recommended ammunition. I may pick up some Extreme Penetrator or Defense too Test in my firearm too.
I would like to see the actual bill that the repair center sent to Bersa for doing “nothing”. Keep on doing what you’re doing and we’ll keep watching. My sons and I really enjoy your videos. Thank you
My Bersa Thunder Plus runs flawlessly and I really LOVE the gun ... 16 rounds of whup-ass in my pocket, and ACCURATE. I do not understand why some jerk would dump on you for posting video of a flawed gun. Every manufacturer has a lemon now and then. But some are a royal pain in the asterisk to get to make a bad gun right. Bersa is not, they stand behind their guns!! They made this gun right.
Gunsmith said he didn't do anything to the gun, that it was fine. But I'll bet he at least field-stripped it and put it back together. I am thinking that originally the recoil spring was in back-asswards. There is a skinny end and a looser end. The skinny end has to slide on the barrel FIRST.
Many have suggested the recoil spring was on backwards but it wasn't. The pistol ended up going back to it's old ways after a few hundred rounds and the owner ditched it. I don't really blame him as I have no use for a gun I can't trust either but I wish he'd have let me do one more follow up video first. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the honesty. I too have a a 380cc that was problematic ftf, stovepiping. Took it to Gander inder warranty. Fixed. Works perfectly now. Got to like the lifetime warranty, too!. Wife loves her Thunder 380. I had a Bersa Ultracompact Pro 9mm that was wonderful.
Well, I would never threaten a such a good shooter like you Mr Buffalo. Small targets rapidly acquired with a point and shoot tiny fixed sights gun. You certainly know your stuff. Great video. Thanks !!!
Hmmmm. What was the temp when it was failing? My Taurus (yeah, I know) was very reliable everytime i got it out. Then I took it out in 30 deg temps and it would have light primer strikes on just about every round. I brought it home and took apart the slide and striker mechanisms (for the first time) and found a thick grease packed in and around the striker/firing pin. cleaned that gunk off and lubed with regular gun oil. Took it back out in -30 temps and it ran flawlessly.
I don't recall the exact temperature but if you watch that original video you can tell it was a warm day. You bring up a good point though as you explained with your own experiences.
Your the man Buffalo, you saw it threw and it's fixed and working great. Can't let people with sheep dip between the ears bother ya. Always a good show bro.
I randomly keep finding your channel when looking for reviews and click on yours without knowing. I ended up subscribing 😊. Thanks for always going straight to the point.
If something doesn't sound right....it ain't. The gunsmith did SOMETHING to the gun. Even disassembly and reassembly might have fixed a problem. A smith saying he did NOTHING to the gun, doesn't pass the smell test. Well, the important thing is...you have a working weapon.
I Agree. I Gave You A Thumbs Up Because Your Comment Reminded Me Of Gary Sinise When He Said, "I'm Getting A Strong Whiff Of Some Bullshit In Here" In The Movie 'Ransom'.
I was on call with Ruger Customer Service and the problem of the trigger not resetting fixed itself while I was just working the bolt back and forth constantly while on the phone. They said it was probably some leftover metal shavings from machining it
There was probably a problem and they just didn't want to say so and they fixed the problem and let it go at that. A friend of mine works as a warranty repair place for a brand name scroll saw (expensive product) and sometimes he fixes the things and does the same thing because it doesn't look good for the company to have to admit that something slipped thru their quality control. I think this happens more than we are aware of. That way it is your fault and not the fault of the manufacturer.
That loose screw was a clue. You can tighten the grip screws too much and induce malfunctions (ie.too much pressure on the trigger bar). Be sure when tightening the grip screw to look into the mag well. If you see/feel the tip of the screw, back it out until flush. If it is still loose, put on a rubber o-ring under the screw-head like you would a washer.
Just got a brand new looking CC, all chrome finish, from a pawnshop today. $175, tax included. Yes it is 'used' but not by much!!! Went to the range and, well, dang thing never jammed! Shot fine. Now I shoot a lot and I carry my S&W Centennial Airweight very often... well now maybe I might switch. This gun is very easy to get good hits with. And just to let you know... 5 yards.. one ragged hole 8 shot groups!! Not just once but every time!! And the shoots dead on with those factory non-adjustable sights!!! Winchester 95 grain FMJFP and Speer Gold dot HPs. NOT A JAM!!! Yea... I'll put the Centennial in the safe if, after the two mags I ordered, are tested and the gun still shoots 100 percent! And I am not kidding.. ONE RAGGED HOLE GROUPS consistently and right where the sights shoot.
I’ve owned quite a few Bersa firearms and pretty much all of them have run great. I’ve had a couple that the firing pin channel had to much oil in them to point it was almost like grease. Bet they tore it down and it was either a burr on something or the firing pin channel gunked up. I’ve heard the story several times of sending a gun in and they say they couldn’t find anything and it would run fine when customers get them back. I will say most of the Bersa’s I’ve owned has a break in point of about 200-300 rounds through them to loosen up and smooth out.
Thank you for posting is excellent and informative video! Also thank you for your honesty, and sorry some people are so quick to anger. And I also plan on looking into getting a bursa CC based on this videos demonstration of the weapon. Also, not bad shooting
Gotta love the “interwebs experts” who absolutely MUST insist that they are right and you are wrong. I would love to say I can’t believe someone would go so far as to threaten to shoot you over something so ridiculous, but I’ve had similar experiences online, and it’s part of the reason I don’t put up gun videos myself. Well thanks for taking the time and effort to give an update on the Bersa, I was kinda interested in picking one up.
Hey that's good enough for me! I wish I could buy some of that magic and just sprinkle it on my guns whenever I have a problem! LOL I always appreciate your comments my friend. The support means a lot!
Shouldn't have touched that screw on the hand grip... gonna stop working now! Lol. In the process of checking it, the gunsmith would've probably went through a full disassembly and rebuild, and probably cleaned and lubed components in the process. As other viewers have suggested, it was maybe just a metal bur (or something)left over from manufacturing that fell free during the gunsmiths inspection? Seems to shoot great now :)
Glad you got the gun back. Working in an indoor range in Atlanta I had seeing several issues with bersa's. Limp wristing them is worse than a Glock. Glad it seems to be working better now
Most 380s, like this Bersa, are of blowback design, which often results in a snappy recoil. While most 9mm pistols use some type of delayed recoil, which tends to make them more comfortable to shoot. Of course, all the variations in design, grip materials and weight can make a big difference. If possible, it's best to visit a range and try different pistols in 380 and 9mm before you buy.
Just sent my firestorm to Indiana (AAA) for repair due to light primer strikes in single action. Bought the firearm brand new in may and had problems with it right away.
I had a similar problem with a keltec p3at, it wouldnt extract one or two of each magazine. Although I did have to replace the extractor. Anyway nice little gun.
Never had a light strike problem but the FTF is common with mine. Thus far I've only shot around 200 rounds so I'm still considering it a breaking in period. I believe the FTF problem is in the ramp. Last time I went out I put a drop of oil on the ramp and had no problems at all. Coincidence? Maybe, but I plan on going out again soon and will try it out again. Also grip plays a major role with this gun. Limp wrist will give you all kinds of problem. This is just my take on things.
95 % of problems with the .380 are due to recoil sping being installed backwards - tight end go's on barrel first keeping spring from falling off , if installed with loose end 1st the tight end will drag the barrel in both directions, mine is at 600 total round count without any failures ......... thanks for the video
Had a Taurus .380 that had a horrible trigger. dropped in a pond once while fishing. Took it home and completely disassembled and cleaned. Put it back together and the trigger was smooth as silk. Maybe just disassembling your Bersa was all it needed??
Just because one gun doesn’t run properly doesn’t mean there is something fundamentally wrong with that type of weapon. Other reports state that it eats every brand of ammo. Problem with this one identified, light primer strike, and rectified (not sure how)so don’t get your knickers in a knot people, it’s not personal.
I love your videos buffalo! Some people just cant take any negative opinions on a gun which usually means its the only one they have. Not to mention folks are growing crazier by the day. Got your back in southern indiana! Lol
Thank you! I appreciate you taking a minute to leave that comment. I honestly feel like I have the best, most level headed subscriber base on all of RUclips. I can't thank you guys enough. It's the odd viewers that find my videos through other searches that wanna give me trouble. I don't worry much about them but it is sometimes annoying.
Lol it’s the only one I have and I like to see the negatives so I can figure out what to look for and how to avoid running into issues, have t had any yet thankfully
I’m guessing you had some sort of grit or burr that was restricting the hammer or hammer spring. For the life of me I cannot understand why you would receive a death threat for mentioning that a mechanical device was malfunctioning. It will take a whole lot more than a gunsmith and softer primers to repair a guy like that back to proper working order.
I think that is a possible explanation. I've had my life threatened more times than I care to count since I joined RUclips. The first time it happened was very unsettling but now I just delete, block and move on.
. Forgive us for letting our society fall to the point where so many will threaten to kill for a differing opinion. And forgive the liberals and Democrats that now use that hate to forward a solely political agenda, and silence any opposition using unethical, immoral and unAmerican means to an end. We never seem to learn. -
Buffalo's Outdoors yes just a load of nut jobs , then again people are big on threats on a keyboard it's different face to face , I enjoy your videos best regards steve
@@buffalosoutdoors I've seen many you tube videos !I admire your honesty and objectivity !I guess we are not allowed to have opinions any more!I don't watch a certain you tuber whose last name ends in a number!Everything is wonderful!Please!
Here is a video on cleaning a Bersa with a lite primer strike problem. ruclips.net/video/fQJ9aXJA_I0/видео.html I suspect the Gunsmith took the gun apart, replaced springs just because it was taken apart, and when it went back together it worked fine. Springs are cheaper than labor so it is cheaper to always replace them.
Oh man, I truly understand you! This fucking Bersa! My worst purchase ever. I actually understood why their crap is so cheap. Because quality is terrible and material they use in manufacturing are of very poor quality. After several magazines fired out my new Bersa Firestorm it stared to light strike. There is this extra safety feature located in the slide that due to its malfunction it prevents firing pin from traveling all the way and striking the primer properly. The spring under the piston that that provides extra safety bends inside and the piston does not move evenly. How can this pass quality control. Bersa is such a disappointment. This gun can fail you at that very moment when you need it the most. What a bummer.
Thanks Buffalo. Great follow up video. I plan on getting one in the future. Hickok 45 has a good video on the Bersa .380 cc as well. Shit happens. Gun owners are a sensitive bunch, to put it mildly. Like any manufactured product they don’t always come out of the factory perfect. It’s not an indictment against a brand nor should we ‘kill’ the messenger, in one comment case, literally. How absurd. Anyway, keep up the good work !
Well said! Shit Happens. I have had to send a 1200 dollar Smith and Wesson revolver back for issues. It happens to the best of them! Some folks just don't get that.
Glad it was repaired or works better if they actually didn't do any work on it. I had issues with my Thunder as well, it had an issue with the trigger resetting. Turns out it was missing a tiny washer/spacer that was causing the problem
Wow I have a bersa 383 da that I've had since the 80's and never had a misfire after at least 1000 rounds From I what I heard these are very reliable sorry you had that problem
I have a bersa firestorm which is basically the same gun I was shooting it one day and suddenly the trigger wouldn't move far enough back to fire. I took it home, took the slide off, and the hammer would then fall, I messed around with it some more but couldn't get it to work. I sent it to the SAME GUY in Texas and he sent it back to me in a few days. No explanation as to what the problem was. I emailed him and he responded that the gun was extremely dirty like it had been dropped in the dirt. The gun has never been fired outside and never dropped in the dirt. His fix was he cleaned and lubed it and it was working fine. It is functioning fine so far, haven't shot it yet, but I'm seeing a pattern here. The gun wasn't dirty, I had cleaned the gun prior to going to the range, and only had a few rounds through it when it malfunctioned. He had to have done something else to it besides cleaning. It seemed fishy at the time but after seeing this video it appears that John is not being truthful for some reason. Any gun can have a problem so why pretend there isn't one?
I'm just throwing this out here because I had the same issue. I wonder if they gave it a good cleaning? When I had this problem I stripped it down and gave it a good cleaning especially around the hammer and firing pin, I have yet to have another problem. I've been waiting for this follow up video. Thanks for all your videos
Hey David thank you for tuning in to my videos. I don't know if they cleaned it or not. I didn't talk to him directly but my friend (the owner) did. He said the guy was very blunt about it being an ammo problem and that the gun was fine. Maybe when he disassembled it to look it over he cleaned it up. I am not sure.
Glad u got it fixed man, looks like a nice little pistol now for sure. And don't let that jackass get u mad. He's prob too chicken to shoot u a dirty look, much less do anything to harm you. Keep it up & thanks for the videos!
As with all mass produced items, once and awhile there is a screw up. You sent it back to," have em lick there calf over again". Let the haters hate brother, you do an honest review. 🖒🖒
It is strange that he said nothing was wrong with it . I have a model 83 Bersa from the 90's that has never malfunctioned in all these years .The feed ramp is rough , not very smooth but feeds everything .
The trigger broke in half on mine after about 150 rounds. Broke where it attaches where the little hole in the trigger is. Sent it in for repair and its been fine ever since. I have never had a trigger break in half on any I've ever owned before.
That's good that they took care of you. Life happens sometimes. Humans happen. Things get out that shouldn't have. That's when you're glad to have a brand that takes care of it's customers.
Al principio la pistola está dura y presenta algunas fallas de alimentación. Pero luego de varias rondas el arma se "ablanda" con el uso y comienza a funcionar perfectamente. Esta es mí experiencia, quizás responda tu inquietud. Un saludo desde Argentina 👋
My first bersa Thunder 380CC in nickel plate in 2019 was a jam-matic. It keep having fail to feed and fail to eject so i sold it. This year 2024 i decided to buy another used Bersa 380CC in nickel plate that i saw at my pawnshop. I bought it and put 150rd of .380 winchester 95gr fmj through it with no issue.
Gotta respect a guy who is impartial, then does his due diligence and follows up, then relays to us exactly what transpired.
I'm impressed... if only you ran for office! ;-)
Watched your 1st video (Bersa 380 FTF) with great interest. I have a Bresa 380 FireStorm (basically the SAME gun) with the SAME problem ! I love this gun and it has been my EDC for many years. Very reliable, accurate and easy to carry. But then one day at the range, Ready, Aim, Fi... CLICK! A sick feeling! Can't trust it anymore! I'm not a GunSmith, not very experienced with guns in general, but I do have a GOOD understanding of mechanics and how things work and I recognized that it was a light hit on the primer. Shot it a time or two more and it worked but failures were getting worse & worse. I also noticed that the firing pin was sloppy and not exposed to the hammer (which would account for light hits & mis-fires).
The Internet is a WONDERFUL THING. I found an exploded diagram in a parts catalog which enabled me (and gave me the confidence) to perform "exploratory surgery" on my BABY. When I removed the firing pin I found that the inertia spring had began to wind down past the stop on the firing pin and was no longer positioning the firing pin back toward the hammer. The firing pin was just randomly positioned somewhere after each shot (which might explain some comments about how you hold the gun). I ordered a new firing pin and inertia spring from (I really can't remember where). The new firing pin looked like it just came out of a casting and was so rough looking that I put the new inertia spring on the old firing pin and reassembled the gun. Took it to the range and VOILA! fires great! Inspected the shell casings and found nice SOLID hits. Also, the firing pin is positioned rearward and exposed to the hammer. SUCCESS !!!
Months Later ... New problem:
Random FTF's. Gun works, but random FTF's with all 3 magazines (mostly with various mfr. FMJ target ammo). This problem sounds EXACTLY as described in your FTF video. I took it to a GunSmith (who is a personal friend) and he could see no reason for these FTF's. He polished the ramp but gun is still finnicky. I was on the edge of my seat watching your 2nd follow-up video after you got your Bersa back from the GunSmith in Texas ... WTH ???
I LOVE this gun but I'm starting to think NEW gun for EDC (been un-comfortable carrying it this long). I was really hoping to hear a resolution ! Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience on this RUclips channel. If ANYONE has a cure for these FTF's please let me know.
I love the Bersa Thunder 380. I’ve owned 5 Bersas including the little cc version and all worked great. I gave them as gifts to friends. Wonderful guns. You did a very good review of the gun’s ability to function and Bersa should appreciate your professionalism. If a Bersa doesn’t work well, send it back to the factory for repair. Great video, friend. I will watch all of your vids now. Thanks.
Owned and carried one for approximately 20 yrs. Excellent weapon. Fords has a lemon every now and then.
I'm not even done with this video and just hit the "subscribe" button solely based on your great disposition. I really appreciate people who just want to produce tried and true experience videos and don't really care what people think. You sir are someone I'd happily buy a brew for if we ever crossed paths.
Regards,
-Wes
Thanks for the comment, I appreciate you taking a minute to leave it here! Thanks for subscribing!
@@buffalosoutdoors Whenever the gun is presented with light primer strikes, we change the springs and while we're at it do a trigger job at the same time. We charge the customer for 1 hour of labor plus the parts. 90% of buyers are happy and we never see them back, but 10% (maybe) come back in with some sort of small problem. I still like them.
I own the same gun. The slide flew off in the first 50 rounds, returned to Bersa gunsmith who replaced the slide lock (lever mechanism to remove the slide). Next the C clip broke shortly thereafter which I replaced myself. Gun has more than a thousand trouble-free rounds thru it, and I trust it for carry. My wife already has the standard Bersa Thunder 380, and I just bought the combat model. We love all three and I find the combat to be the best shooter for me because of the rubber grips with finger grooves, and slightly larger beaver tail compared to my CC model. We have the more name brand guns, Kahr, Ruger, Beretta, Glock, and SW, but love our Bersas' the best. Any gun can and will break (like my Beretta Nano which after the sixth repair, and a major failure had to go because of reliability issues). Bersa guns have an excellent reputation, a HUGE loyal ownership group, and can't be beat with the original owner lifetime warranty. Great review.
I have one of the black Bersa Thunder .380’s cc and it is a flawless pistol!
People can be so stupid and petty. Your one of the best firearm reviewers on RUclips. Keep the great videos coming my Kentucky brother.
I hear ya man it's crazy the things people get worked up about.
I sent my Bursa BP9CC in for warranty work recently. The pistol shot fine, but the mag release and slide release were hard to work.
I sent it to Bursa's repair center in Indiana, American Arsenal Armory. It was a bit slow due to COVID restrictions, but they were easy to work with and did super repairs. I can now work the pistol in all respects with shooting hand only.
This is a fine pistol at a reasonable price. Good luck finding one anywhere today.
Buffalo, I've watched several of your videos and have enjoyed all of them. I believe you and I appreciate your honesty.
i have had two BERSA THUNDER 380S that jammed just like yours, traded them off & got a third that works so far,,,,,,really accurate little guns
Our trigger assembly would not function after the first 30 rounds. Got it repaired and they significantly upgraded the trigger bar. It has been 100% reliable since. Thanks for your honest review.
You're welcome and thanks for sharing your experience!
My guess would be there was a bit of machining grit in the firing pin assembly that worked it's way out. I've seen that twice in a pair of Beretta handguns. Since then I do a full dis-assembly and clean of any new gun when I get hold of it.
I commented on the last one saying I haven't had an issue glad to see yours was fixed. Man made things can never always be prefect
The problem you had with your Bersa is so rare that less than 1 in 7,000 Bersa pistols ever have to be repaired under warranty. I think your viewers deserve to know this as some of them could benefit from ownership of this fine weapon.
Well, it actually wasn't repaired. He said that the repair shop said that they didn't do anything to the gun because they couldn't find anything wrong. Means bersa is still reliable in my book. I think it was him or it just needed to be broken in.
I have 2 Bersa...one since 1984......no problems
@@seanconner4 Is your 1984 all stainless steel?
@@timhallas4275 yes
@@seanconner4 that’s sick dude
The first thing I do before buying a new firearm is look up what kind of issues other folks have had with it. So I really appreciated both your previous video as well as this one. It’s great that you took the time and effort for both of em. Fortunately, I haven’t had any issues with the Bersa Thunder that I bought, but I was at least well informed before my purchase and that was thanks you. Keep doin whatcha do my friend! 👍🏻👍🏻
Buffalo I watch your channel because I like your unbiased opinion. You always came across humble and honest. No ego...I will continue to watch your channel because of how you present your topic...Don't change bro...Keep up the great job!
Blue lock-tight on just snug grip screws makes my .380CC very happy.
I've got 2 Bersa Thunder .380's, one had the trigger reset malfunction after about 1500rounds. Sent it in,got it back,& it's been fine for 750 rounds so far. My other one has 2050 rounds through it with no problem. I like them, that's all I can say....I'm keeping them!
Awesome!
It's amazing to what extent people will go to try to be the rightest people on the internet. lol great shooting!
Ain't that the truth! I might not be the rightest but I try not to be the wrongest either ;)
@@buffalosoutdoors You have problems with Bersa thunder 380cc...... I think your problems maybe you don't know gun period...... Maybe you need help with that.....
I think your problem is you fucked off in English class.
How small is your dick that you get buttmad when someone has a problem with a gun?
Grow up, kid. @@Honestandtruth007
They sure did something to the gun!
Buffalo is an honest dude.
I bet they put in an other firing pin with better reach towards the primer.
I agree, I think they changed something but I can't figure out their motive to deny it? Very strange. Thanks for the kind words!
@@buffalosoutdoors They dont want to admit they fu**d up!!!
@@buffalosoutdoors It may have something to do with factory policy. As of right now, you have over seven hundred likes. That's seven hundred possible customers, not to mention those who saw the first video. Nothing to sneeze at. I doubt, however; that a reputable gun smith would lie to you for the same reason. The gun "community" (I hate that word) on RUclips is quite large, and the likelihood of you mentioning his name is pretty good (you did). So, in the process of examining the weapon, the stray gremlin fell out unnoticed and that was that.
The slightest bit of debris or even carbon from firing one of these can cause light primer strikes. My best guess is he cleaned it out better than is usually possible for the average shooter, or he would even think of doing.
Or cleaned and removed excess oil from the firing pin channel. Too much oil or debris in the firing pin channel will cause light primer strikes.
Must have been a gremlin. Glad to hear it is working now. My wife has a Thunder 380 (not the CC) and it works great. I think it is one of the best .380’s for price available.
It sure is a straight shooter. I wasn't even trying for accuracy all that much and it seems to put em right where they belong.
I own 3 Bersa's...I cc my Bersa CC 24/7...I have literally put 1000's of rounds through my Bersas...never once had any type of problem...100% reliable with all kinds of ammo
Very interesting video I've owned many Bersa thunder 380's over the years and have never had an issue but not saying it can't happen to any gun for that matter, I'm guessing when you sent it to be repaired the gunsmith completely disassembled it and maybe didn't notice but some sort of debris came out that was causing the malfunctioning great video 👍👍
I have been seriously pondering the purchase of a Bersa 380. Contrary to interpreting the first video along with this one and thinking I should shy away from a Bersa, this has convinced me to go ahead and buy one. Why? Because it shows that Bersa stands behind its guns and warranty and will actually fix any lemon. That means a lot and I am pretty sure a Bersa Thunder Plus Combat (15 rounds) will be coming my way soon.
You won't be disappointed
Thanks for the follow up video... I saw your first video and nice to see it was corrected. Also, pretty impressed with its accuracy, nice shooting!
Some people are just rude sir, im so happy your a good man
Thank you for the information as we have a bersa thunder
Congratulations on your efforts to show the Thunder can be a smooth shooting .380.
Thank you- I’m so glad to see that a Bersa can consistently cycle more than just the factory recommended ammunition. I may pick up some Extreme Penetrator or Defense too Test in my firearm too.
That Xtreme Penetrator stuff looks really good!
Excellent video sir, I appreciate your candid comments and thoroughness. BYW: Good shooting!!!
Thanks for that! I get myself in trouble sometimes but if I am going to spend the time to make a video I am going to be as straight up as I can be!
I'm here after the first bersa update. Great camera presence and all out organic feel. Great job
Your always fair and honest Buff. They may have done something and just don't want to admit it, hopefully thats not the case.
I'm not sure what happened but that is one possibility. I just can't figure the motive.
I would like to see the actual bill that the repair center sent to Bersa for doing “nothing”. Keep on doing what you’re doing and we’ll keep watching. My sons and I really enjoy your videos. Thank you
My Bersa Thunder Plus runs flawlessly and I really LOVE the gun ... 16 rounds of whup-ass in my pocket, and ACCURATE. I do not understand why some jerk would dump on you for posting video of a flawed gun. Every manufacturer has a lemon now and then. But some are a royal pain in the asterisk to get to make a bad gun right. Bersa is not, they stand behind their guns!! They made this gun right.
Gunsmith said he didn't do anything to the gun, that it was fine. But I'll bet he at least field-stripped it and put it back together. I am thinking that originally the recoil spring was in back-asswards. There is a skinny end and a looser end. The skinny end has to slide on the barrel FIRST.
Many have suggested the recoil spring was on backwards but it wasn't. The pistol ended up going back to it's old ways after a few hundred rounds and the owner ditched it. I don't really blame him as I have no use for a gun I can't trust either but I wish he'd have let me do one more follow up video first. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thanks for the honesty. I too have a a 380cc that was problematic ftf, stovepiping. Took it to Gander inder warranty. Fixed. Works perfectly now.
Got to like the lifetime warranty, too!.
Wife loves her Thunder 380. I had a Bersa Ultracompact Pro 9mm that was wonderful.
I have that weapon too , for three years and never failed.
Zero issues with mine. Runs like butter
Well, I would never threaten a such a good shooter like you Mr Buffalo. Small targets rapidly acquired with a point and shoot tiny fixed sights gun. You certainly know your stuff. Great video. Thanks !!!
Right!!! "we're not testing for accuracy". Only one miss out of all that!!!! Great news on the Bersa, and great shooting, as always!! Thanks Buffalo!!
Hmmmm. What was the temp when it was failing? My Taurus (yeah, I know) was very reliable everytime i got it out. Then I took it out in 30 deg temps and it would have light primer strikes on just about every round. I brought it home and took apart the slide and striker mechanisms (for the first time) and found a thick grease packed in and around the striker/firing pin. cleaned that gunk off and lubed with regular gun oil. Took it back out in -30 temps and it ran flawlessly.
I don't recall the exact temperature but if you watch that original video you can tell it was a warm day. You bring up a good point though as you explained with your own experiences.
Your the man Buffalo, you saw it threw and it's fixed and working great. Can't let people with sheep dip between the ears bother ya. Always a good show bro.
Thanks my friend! I get some real knuckle heads come through here from time to time.
Great follow up video Buffalo! I used to have the thunder 380, with extended promags and I shot aluminum cased ammo!! Don't tell the haters!
LOL! I'll keep it a secret! Thanks my friend!
Glad you got it working. I love my plus. Very accurate.
I randomly keep finding your channel when looking for reviews and click on yours without knowing. I ended up subscribing 😊. Thanks for always going straight to the point.
Js Dubon thanks for subscribing and welcome to the channel!
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If something doesn't sound right....it ain't. The gunsmith did SOMETHING to the gun. Even disassembly and reassembly might have fixed a problem. A smith saying he did NOTHING to the gun, doesn't pass the smell test. Well, the important thing is...you have a working weapon.
I Agree. I Gave You A Thumbs Up Because Your Comment Reminded Me Of Gary Sinise When He Said, "I'm Getting A Strong Whiff Of Some Bullshit In Here" In The Movie 'Ransom'.
I was on call with Ruger Customer Service and the problem of the trigger not resetting fixed itself while I was just working the bolt back and forth constantly while on the phone. They said it was probably some leftover metal shavings from machining it
He likely put the recoil spring on in the right direction. Common mistake is to put the spring on with side that fits loosely.
@@desertsoldier41 That's entirely possible with this particular weapon/model. That said, it doesn't explain why the gunsmith said he did "nothing".
There was probably a problem and they just didn't want to say so and they fixed the problem and let it go at that. A friend of mine works as a warranty repair place for a brand name scroll saw (expensive product) and sometimes he fixes the things and does the same thing because it doesn't look good for the company to have to admit that something slipped thru their quality control. I think this happens more than we are aware of. That way it is your fault and not the fault of the manufacturer.
That loose screw was a clue. You can tighten the grip screws too much and induce malfunctions (ie.too much pressure on the trigger bar). Be sure when tightening the grip screw to look into the mag well. If you see/feel the tip of the screw, back it out until flush. If it is still loose, put on a rubber o-ring under the screw-head like you would a washer.
Yes I've heard of this being a problem with this gun and also a few other guns.
Just got a brand new looking CC, all chrome finish, from a pawnshop today. $175, tax included. Yes it is 'used' but not by much!!! Went to the range and, well, dang thing never jammed! Shot fine. Now I shoot a lot and I carry my S&W Centennial Airweight very often... well now maybe I might switch. This gun is very easy to get good hits with.
And just to let you know... 5 yards.. one ragged hole 8 shot groups!! Not just once but every time!! And the shoots dead on with those factory non-adjustable sights!!! Winchester 95 grain FMJFP and Speer Gold dot HPs. NOT A JAM!!! Yea... I'll put the Centennial in the safe if, after the two mags I ordered, are tested and the gun still shoots 100 percent! And I am not kidding.. ONE RAGGED HOLE GROUPS consistently and right where the sights shoot.
I’ve owned quite a few Bersa firearms and pretty much all of them have run great. I’ve had a couple that the firing pin channel had to much oil in them to point it was almost like grease. Bet they tore it down and it was either a burr on something or the firing pin channel gunked up. I’ve heard the story several times of sending a gun in and they say they couldn’t find anything and it would run fine when customers get them back. I will say most of the Bersa’s I’ve owned has a break in point of about 200-300 rounds through them to loosen up and smooth out.
My bersa combat plus wouldn't feed until I worked on the ramp. Great video
I'm not sure what they did to this one but it certainly took care of the issues I was having.
Thank you for posting is excellent and informative video! Also thank you for your honesty, and sorry some people are so quick to anger. And I also plan on looking into getting a bursa CC based on this videos demonstration of the weapon. Also, not bad shooting
Gotta love the “interwebs experts” who absolutely MUST insist that they are right and you are wrong. I would love to say I can’t believe someone would go so far as to threaten to shoot you over something so ridiculous, but I’ve had similar experiences online, and it’s part of the reason I don’t put up gun videos myself. Well thanks for taking the time and effort to give an update on the Bersa, I was kinda interested in picking one up.
It's crazy how emotional some get over a simple demonstration showing a problem. I'm glad you're enjoying the videos!
It’s crazy and just plain stupid! Yes, your videos are educational, informative, and just plain fun LOL
Buffalo, it's magic man, has to be. Thanks for the follow up on that. *:-)*
Hey that's good enough for me! I wish I could buy some of that magic and just sprinkle it on my guns whenever I have a problem! LOL I always appreciate your comments my friend. The support means a lot!
Accidentally found one of your videos about half an hour ago and I already am starting to love your videos 😊
ME 2
Shouldn't have touched that screw on the hand grip... gonna stop working now! Lol.
In the process of checking it, the gunsmith would've probably went through a full disassembly and rebuild, and probably cleaned and lubed components in the process. As other viewers have suggested, it was maybe just a metal bur (or something)left over from manufacturing that fell free during the gunsmiths inspection? Seems to shoot great now :)
That is the most fitting explanation. IMHO I have had things over the years that "fixed themselves" upon disassembly and reassembly. lol
You're probably right! Sounds very plausible to me.
Glad you got the gun back. Working in an indoor range in Atlanta I had seeing several issues with bersa's. Limp wristing them is worse than a Glock. Glad it seems to be working better now
Yeah it's much better. It will run on most anything I throw at it now, a far cry from before we sent it in.
Buffalo's Outdoors glad for that
How can you not love this feller
Most 380s, like this Bersa, are of blowback design, which often results in a snappy recoil. While most 9mm pistols use some type of delayed recoil, which tends to make them more comfortable to shoot. Of course, all the variations in design, grip materials and weight can make a big difference. If possible, it's best to visit a range and try different pistols in 380 and 9mm before you buy.
Just sent my firestorm to Indiana (AAA) for repair due to light primer strikes in single action. Bought the firearm brand new in may and had problems with it right away.
Nice little gun, looks like they fixed it.
Well it fixed itself! What ever I wouldnt be afraid to carry it.
It eats everything I stick in it now!
I had a similar problem with a keltec p3at, it wouldnt extract one or two of each magazine. Although I did have to replace the extractor.
Anyway nice little gun.
Your honest. Enough said. God Bless you.
Ok, so the gun works now. Good for you.
What I'm really missing is the REVIEW!!!
Never had a light strike problem but the FTF is common with mine. Thus far I've only shot around 200 rounds so I'm still considering it a breaking in period. I believe the FTF problem is in the ramp. Last time I went out I put a drop of oil on the ramp and had no problems at all. Coincidence? Maybe, but I plan on going out again soon and will try it out again. Also grip plays a major role with this gun. Limp wrist will give you all kinds of problem. This is just my take on things.
Send it in under warranty. You'll be happy with the results. 👍
I have 3 so far never had any problems
Bersa's are normally really good guns. Just goes to show that there's always lemon once in a while.
95 % of problems with the .380 are due to recoil sping being installed backwards - tight end go's on barrel first keeping spring from falling off , if installed with loose end 1st the tight end will drag the barrel in both directions, mine is at 600 total round count without any failures ......... thanks for the video
Pretty good shot at twenty yards with them sights
Thanks!
you must have been holding your mouth right shooting it this time. good video. i'll keep this in mind if i decide on a bersa.
LOL I think you might be right!
Great shooting Buffalo, I enjoy all your videos. Keep up the good work with gun reviews!
Excellent shooting, great content...thanks!
Had a Taurus .380 that had a horrible trigger. dropped in a pond once while fishing. Took it home and completely disassembled and cleaned. Put it back together and the trigger was smooth as silk. Maybe just disassembling your Bersa was all it needed??
Just because one gun doesn’t run properly doesn’t mean there is something fundamentally wrong with that type of weapon. Other reports state that it eats every brand of ammo.
Problem with this one identified, light primer strike, and rectified (not sure how)so don’t get your knickers in a knot people, it’s not personal.
I love your videos buffalo! Some people just cant take any negative opinions on a gun which usually means its the only one they have. Not to mention folks are growing crazier by the day. Got your back in southern indiana! Lol
Thank you! I appreciate you taking a minute to leave that comment. I honestly feel like I have the best, most level headed subscriber base on all of RUclips. I can't thank you guys enough. It's the odd viewers that find my videos through other searches that wanna give me trouble. I don't worry much about them but it is sometimes annoying.
Lol it’s the only one I have and I like to see the negatives so I can figure out what to look for and how to avoid running into issues, have t had any yet thankfully
Sounds like my Taurus Spectrum, returning it after one day at the range.
NO CRITIC, WARRANTY OF LIVE, THE BEST PISTOL OF aRGENTINA!!
Can’t understand all u people having problems with this terrific little gun. Seem to be well made and durable.
I’m guessing you had some sort of grit or burr that was restricting the hammer or hammer spring.
For the life of me I cannot understand why you would receive a death threat for mentioning that a mechanical device was malfunctioning. It will take a whole lot more than a gunsmith and softer primers to repair a guy like that back to proper working order.
I think that is a possible explanation. I've had my life threatened more times than I care to count since I joined RUclips. The first time it happened was very unsettling but now I just delete, block and move on.
. Forgive us for letting our society fall to the point where so many will threaten to kill for a differing opinion. And forgive the liberals and Democrats that now use that hate to forward a solely political agenda, and silence any opposition using unethical, immoral and unAmerican means to an end.
We never seem to learn. -
Buffalo's Outdoors yes just a load of nut jobs , then again people are big on threats on a keyboard it's different face to face , I enjoy your videos best regards steve
@@buffalosoutdoors I've seen many you tube videos !I admire your honesty and objectivity !I guess we are not allowed to have opinions any more!I don't watch a certain you tuber whose last name ends in a number!Everything is wonderful!Please!
Here is a video on cleaning a Bersa with a lite primer strike problem.
ruclips.net/video/fQJ9aXJA_I0/видео.html
I suspect the Gunsmith took the gun apart, replaced springs just because it was taken apart, and when it went back together it worked fine. Springs are cheaper than labor so it is cheaper to always replace them.
They obviously did something to the gun. Don't know why they wouldn't admit it but good that they fixed it.
Buff'lo, it's a simple question of mind over matter. If ya don't mind, it don't matter...
It just needed a vacation it was getting burned out! LOL, thanks for the update! Glad to see it running well but man thats weird!
Yep that's it! It just needed a road trip! Or maybe the Fed Ex guy moonlights as a gunsmith..... hmmmmm
LOL
Great follow up on the Bersa Buffalo.Thanks for the video.
Thank you!
Oh man, I truly understand you! This fucking Bersa! My worst purchase ever. I actually understood why their crap is so cheap. Because quality is terrible and material they use in manufacturing are of very poor quality. After several magazines fired out my new Bersa Firestorm it stared to light strike. There is this extra safety feature located in the slide that due to its malfunction it prevents firing pin from traveling all the way and striking the primer properly. The spring under the piston that that provides extra safety bends inside and the piston does not move evenly. How can this pass quality control. Bersa is such a disappointment. This gun can fail you at that very moment when you need it the most. What a bummer.
Esa pequeña es maravillosa 😍. Saludos desde 🇦🇷
Thanks Buffalo. Great follow up video. I plan on getting one in the future. Hickok 45 has a good video on the Bersa .380 cc as well. Shit happens. Gun owners are a sensitive bunch, to put it mildly. Like any manufactured product they don’t always come out of the factory perfect. It’s not an indictment against a brand nor should we ‘kill’ the messenger, in one comment case, literally. How absurd. Anyway, keep up the good work !
Well said! Shit Happens. I have had to send a 1200 dollar Smith and Wesson revolver back for issues. It happens to the best of them! Some folks just don't get that.
Glad it was repaired or works better if they actually didn't do any work on it. I had issues with my Thunder as well, it had an issue with the trigger resetting. Turns out it was missing a tiny washer/spacer that was causing the problem
Wow! For a gun with crappy sights, you're DAMN GOOD with it :-)
Outstanding Buff' excellent pistol shooter , Bersa is not bad either
Thanks!
Thanka for the updated video
Welcome!
Wow I have a bersa 383 da that I've had since the 80's and never had a misfire after at least 1000 rounds
From I what I heard these are very reliable sorry you had that problem
I have a bersa firestorm which is basically the same gun I was shooting it one day and suddenly the trigger wouldn't move far enough back to fire. I took it home, took the slide off, and the hammer would then fall, I messed around with it some more but couldn't get it to work. I sent it to the SAME GUY in Texas and he sent it back to me in a few days. No explanation as to what the problem was. I emailed him and he responded that the gun was extremely dirty like it had been dropped in the dirt. The gun has never been fired outside and never dropped in the dirt. His fix was he cleaned and lubed it and it was working fine. It is functioning fine so far, haven't shot it yet, but I'm seeing a pattern here. The gun wasn't dirty, I had cleaned the gun prior to going to the range, and only had a few rounds through it when it malfunctioned. He had to have done something else to it besides cleaning. It seemed fishy at the time but after seeing this video it appears that John is not being truthful for some reason. Any gun can have a problem so why pretend there isn't one?
Despite the gun review, you can tell he having fun now with big BERSA
I'm just throwing this out here because I had the same issue. I wonder if they gave it a good cleaning? When I had this problem I stripped it down and gave it a good cleaning especially around the hammer and firing pin, I have yet to have another problem. I've been waiting for this follow up video. Thanks for all your videos
Hey David thank you for tuning in to my videos. I don't know if they cleaned it or not. I didn't talk to him directly but my friend (the owner) did. He said the guy was very blunt about it being an ammo problem and that the gun was fine. Maybe when he disassembled it to look it over he cleaned it up. I am not sure.
I agree that's also what I thought.
Glad u got it fixed man, looks like a nice little pistol now for sure. And don't let that jackass get u mad. He's prob too chicken to shoot u a dirty look, much less do anything to harm you. Keep it up & thanks for the videos!
As with all mass produced items, once and awhile there is a screw up. You sent it back to," have em lick there calf over again". Let the haters hate brother, you do an honest review. 🖒🖒
Well said. I've sent guns back to Beretta, Ruger and Smith and Wesson as well, it just happens from time to time. Thank you for that comment.
I have a older model Bersa Thunder .380 work's fine on anything i feed it.1(older model)
Good deal!
It is strange that he said nothing was wrong with it . I have a model 83 Bersa from the 90's that has never malfunctioned in all these years .The feed ramp is rough , not very smooth but feeds everything .
The trigger broke in half on mine after about 150 rounds. Broke where it attaches where the little hole in the trigger is. Sent it in for repair and its been fine ever since. I have never had a trigger break in half on any I've ever owned before.
That's good that they took care of you. Life happens sometimes. Humans happen. Things get out that shouldn't have. That's when you're glad to have a brand that takes care of it's customers.
Great video of the ground.
Oh, you're going to catch heck now Buffalo. The I Told You So's will be along shortly to tell you so. Great Video and the mystery remains.
I'm bracing myself! It's gonna happen! LOL
I heard that if you don't clean the manufacture shipping oil/grease you will have problems. Maybe they just cleaned it.
Al principio la pistola está dura y presenta algunas fallas de alimentación. Pero luego de varias rondas el arma se "ablanda" con el uso y comienza a funcionar perfectamente. Esta es mí experiencia, quizás responda tu inquietud. Un saludo desde Argentina 👋
My first bersa Thunder 380CC in nickel plate in 2019 was a jam-matic. It keep having fail to feed and fail to eject so i sold it. This year 2024 i decided to buy another used Bersa 380CC in nickel plate that i saw at my pawnshop. I bought it and put 150rd of .380 winchester 95gr fmj through it with no issue.