That is what suited the application. There is more to studs vs bolts than just studs vs bolts. Materials, RPM, fitment considerations and more are part of the conversation. You could have an aftermarket bolt that is superior to a stud of lesser quality material for example. You need to use what works for the application in front of you, not what someone else building something different is doing. Quality fastener suppliers like ARP can help with that along with your aftermarket parts manufacturer/s - Taz.
Fairplay to them offering a block that will take that kind of power for $4500 is very good value for money, can see this block be a bery good seller given the scarcity of good conditioned oem 2jz blocks.
They should make k series blocks, they are such great and popular engines and the weak block is their only major flaw, I think the market is much bigger than for a 2jz
Can’t go wrong with Dart, but I hope they show RB blocks some love from the profit they reap from these blocks. They’ve proven themselves time and time again
This is great! Especially for the 1jz guys that might want to go 2.5 jz later on. Billet blocks, ones that have coolant passages built for them cost anywhere from 12,500 to 14,000 usd. If going by examples from Mazworks and Titan motor sports. This at less than one third the cost could be a game changer!
Fascinating: You can build a Chrysler Hemi - the premier US performance engine, which has not been manufactured for decades - entirely from aftermarket parts. It costs, but you can do it. And now, you can build a Toyota 2JZ - the premier Japanese performance engine, which has not been manufactured for decades, either - entirely from aftermarket parts.
Just think, the 2JZ has been manufactured since 1991, been having these problems since the 2000s and it’s finally 2023 and we’re getting an aftermarket block. SBC, SBF, BBC, BBF and Chrysler products have had aftermarket blocks since the 80’s.
Im a mailman, and there’s one house on one of my routes with a Supra in the driveway. Last Saturday, he was in the garage working on it. I couldn’t resist. Parked right in front, without a word, walked up next to him to admire the engine, and then… “2JZ, no shit..”
I really hope Dart brings back their reproduction b series blocks. I know its a very rough start in the beginning, some from growing pains, some it from the honda "community". The ones that worked and/or done properly worked, very VERY well. B series guys need this again
I just want to know when Dart is releasing their new RB blocks! I need an upgraded RB30 block, but don't want to spend $14,000 on a billet block from Bullet
@@TML34 If you paid any attention to this video where they address stock block availability, it's stated that Toyota still does run these blocks but the drawback is that you have to buy it as a factory short block and end up throwing away half of the components. You just addressed an entire crate engine... They typically go for anywhere from $25k to $50k if I can remember correctly. So lets say I want my engine to be a turbo 426 with a 4.0 throw and 4.125 bore. I already have to remove the $10,000 supercharger unit. What if I want Thitek heads with coated chambers and valves? I'll now have to remove the $5,000 heads. Now I want some TBC Diamond pistons with the .927 SBC DLC pins on some Callies Enforcer rods... so now I have to remove a $5,000 rotating assembly. The aluminum vvt block is a good option too but it's 2k more than what Dart was trying to ask for their G3 block. The Iron block has a good appeal for street applications because of their full siamese sleeve, lack of core shift, likely a stronger material than factory, thicker decks and they were even attempting to make it a 6 bolt/cylinder block. Now is it ok to want an aftermarket Dart G3 Hemi block?
@@primexgatling5529 if you want ridiculous power, there’s no need for a Hemi build, end of discussion. If you still want a Hemi, and aren’t doing a drag build, then just buy one from the parts catalogue. You get a warranty too.
as far as losing money on a short block.. u can buy the FULL SHORT BLOCK and sell the components which are pretty much NEW still and recoop a good amount of that money back actually for the block itself.
Have you done this personally? Can't imagine there is a massive market for stock 2jz parts in 'as new' condition from random sellers for anywhere close to new prices. When you put a cost on the time it also takes you to sort all that out and deal with the type of person that is attracted to such products/sales avenues then it's even worse. That said, if you have found a way to make that work and are more than happy to continue to do things this way, no one is telling you that you can't 😎 - Taz.
Meant to ask before. It's possible to 3D print casting cores and some companies will cast lower melt point alloys, such as aluminiun or bronze, for customers with some even doing the printing from the customers' file. Can/will DART offer this service for cast/nodular iron/steel products of the customer's design?
Great question, one that I can't answer sadly. You can certainly do that in general as I'm sure you know (lost PLA casting), but for an engine block? Will see if we can sneak in a question around this if we see them later in the year at the likes of SEMA or PRI 😎 - Taz.
Would like to know there cast iron alloy mix how much nickel etc and hardness compared to the factory block as this is critical in a big Hp motor Surprised they it wasn’t a question you asked Great interview looks like the block will fill the gap that’s emerging
HPA, what's your take on the EPA Act? Will we even be able to use such parts in the near future? Would be cool to see a video on this topic. We got to stand united in this.
@Roc sti it didn't pass? Well, that's good news. Political overreach is always a bad thing. In this particular case, it was senseless anyway, considering what little impact these emissions have. I'm not located in the US, but if I were, I would certainly vote red, yes! I'm from Germany, and I can tell you what political overreach is doing in the endgame.
I can't remember a time when there weren't rules I had to follow to have a street-legal performance vehicle to be honest. I am located in New Zealand, but we still have rules too and as we all get older there seem to be more and more of them. Just part of the game. HPA wise, we don't see this going away & the US industry is working to adapt to the new landscape every day - Taz.
@High Performance Academy Thank you, Taz, for your reply. I appreciate your way of thinking, but I also believe big companies as HPA and others do have the responsibility to represent the customer and stand up for their rights has their voice as more weight than ours. Again, I am from Germany, and tuning cars is so hard, and in some cases, next to impossible. And it is getting worse and worse. I believe the endgame will be the complete destruction of private car ownership. Sure, you will still be able to lease or maybe buy a car, but you won't be able to do anything to it. Not my definition of ownership. This is where it will end for countries like the US, Australia, etc. if you guys are not careful. Here in Germany, we have little to no aftermarket industries. In the US, this is a billion dollar industry. If they get similar rules, like Germany (and the RPM act would have been the start of it), not only we, the customers, will suffer. But also companies and employees. So be careful which freedoms the government takes away from you. Just my 2 cents. Best Regards
Material and the application come into play when bolts vs studs are discussed. Don't just copy what someone else is doing, bolts or studs, without understanding your own needs and requirements - Taz.
Another company is working on one of those I believe but it's worth noting that Nissan have also put the RB26 block back into production. Not sure on the price tag . Some obvious advantages to a RB26 version of what Dart is offering here over a stock block though. One of the upcoming podcast episodes will have more info re the aftermarket cast RB block - Taz.
@@hpa101 I was lucky enough to grab a new in the box OEM RB26 but it's still just a stock block with all its flaws, PRP has stated they're going to want 8-10k for their cast RB so Dart, if you're listening, PLEASE make an RB!
It’s actually a good price. Take a stock block to the machine shop and have them do billet mains and stroker clearance bore hone etc.. and see what your bill is.
You gotta take into consideration that the block isn't stock design and needs r&d poured to it. It's pretty good upgrade without spending arm and leg for billet one.
@@nickthelebo 2jz ge, it's gonna be less expensive than gte i think and pretty sure are the same. but port may be different on gte to accomodate flow with the turbo 🤔
There is a difference between a cast and billet block beyond whether it is a factory or aftermarket/3rd party casting. Billet vs cast comes up in a bit of content, I can't remember it all but here are two pieces: Podcast: www.hpacademy.com/blog/037-pushing-60-psi-through-a-subaru-boxer-podcast/? Interview: www.hpacademy.com/blog/cast-vs-billet-mountune-motorsport-engine-block-design-tech-talk/? - Taz.
@@dj4monie and what? You don't need a aftermarket block to do that with a Barra. The money you spend on that block alone you can be rolling 1000hp barra.
If it costs more to produce than people are willing to pay, it won't be around for long. I'd say they wouldn't get this far into things without a solid feel for their target market and comparatively priced options. Just my opinion 😎 - Taz.
sometimes an element of ductility within the material-specifications of the elemental recipe of the metal alloy (since steel is an alloy of iron and other elemnts) adds a lavel of durability and resistances to enduring working-forces & wear; steel(s) can sometimes be too stiff &/or brittle compared to an alloy of iron (yes steel is a carbon alloy of iron, but there are iron alloys too, that are not necessarily considered a 'steel' alloy. I might guess this has trace elements of copper or manganese, molybdenum and perhaps even two or four other elements too, with a final percentage of carbon below the typical carbon content for a 'steel', within its casting iron alloy makeup.
Take $50 USD off ANY HP Academy course with this coupon: RUclips50
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Why not stud your main caps instead of bolts
That is what suited the application. There is more to studs vs bolts than just studs vs bolts. Materials, RPM, fitment considerations and more are part of the conversation. You could have an aftermarket bolt that is superior to a stud of lesser quality material for example.
You need to use what works for the application in front of you, not what someone else building something different is doing. Quality fastener suppliers like ARP can help with that along with your aftermarket parts manufacturer/s - Taz.
Also some good info in here: www.hpacademy.com/previous-webinars/160-choosing-the-right-fastener-material/?
Fairplay to them offering a block that will take that kind of power for $4500 is very good value for money, can see this block be a bery good seller given the scarcity of good conditioned oem 2jz blocks.
They should make k series blocks, they are such great and popular engines and the weak block is their only major flaw, I think the market is much bigger than for a 2jz
They've made a b-series for a while, I'm sure it's on their radar
A good set of sleeves is still an option, just depends how far your trying to push it.
K series is pretty cheap tho. It’s just not much money to get a core and have it sleeved.
@@brettvette Their b series block were garbage. Cracked one at 450 horsepower.
does a Honda guy want to or can afford a block from them?
I hope they come out with a better flowing modern head to match it! This is awesome.
but then its wouldn't be a 2 j would it ...
@@incolink What a stupid comment! What would it be then, an LS, an S14 4-pot, or maybe a better flowing head would mean it would become a carrot!
Wish they would do this for the Toyota 3SGTE / 5S series engines.
FINALLY!! Jay Meagher will be happy to hear
Andre and others at HPA are mentioned in the High Performance classes at UNOH. Great stuff as usual.
Hopefully they're saying good things 😅 Humbling to know!
Can’t go wrong with Dart, but I hope they show RB blocks some love from the profit they reap from these blocks. They’ve proven themselves time and time again
This is great! Especially for the 1jz guys that might want to go 2.5 jz later on.
Billet blocks, ones that have coolant passages built for them cost anywhere from 12,500 to 14,000 usd. If going by examples from Mazworks and Titan motor sports. This at less than one third the cost could be a game changer!
What is a 2.5 jz? If you don't mind me asking
Meant to say 1.5 jz. 1jz head. 2jz bottom end.
I'm slowly building a 2JZ with over 1000whp to put in my 2002 Mustang and this couldn't have been announced at a better time
Why on earth would you built an expensive 2J when a SB Ford will do the same for half the cost?
@@TML34 Style...
@@TML34cope
@The Hutch because rubbish ford
should of put a barra in it
Fascinating: You can build a Chrysler Hemi - the premier US performance engine, which has not been manufactured for decades - entirely from aftermarket parts. It costs, but you can do it.
And now, you can build a Toyota 2JZ - the premier Japanese performance engine, which has not been manufactured for decades, either - entirely from aftermarket parts.
Just think, the 2JZ has been manufactured since 1991, been having these problems since the 2000s and it’s finally 2023 and we’re getting an aftermarket block. SBC, SBF, BBC, BBF and Chrysler products have had aftermarket blocks since the 80’s.
But came from the 50s/60s so the ratio is only a little worse!
Hopefully they'll soon offer HD block and head castings of the Nissan RB and Honda K series.
@@bennyb.1742 there’s been aftermarket blocks for your main USDM engines for decades my guy
@@bennyb.1742 all those engines had 30+ year run times. The 2JZ only ran until the mid 2000s because of Lexus.
99.9% ppl dont need aftermarket 2jz block think about that.
Rotary irons next!
Whats that wing on your Rx7? Its awesome
I wonder how many people in the drifting community are going to start buying these blocks for their competition cars 🤘🏽🤘🏽🔥🔥
A T5 Volvo block would be in high demand if they made them. They split even with the factory power levels
Im a mailman, and there’s one house on one of my routes with a Supra in the driveway. Last Saturday, he was in the garage working on it. I couldn’t resist. Parked right in front, without a word, walked up next to him to admire the engine, and then… “2JZ, no shit..”
its gonna be a competitive product for sure
I really hope Dart brings back their reproduction b series blocks. I know its a very rough start in the beginning, some from growing pains, some it from the honda "community". The ones that worked and/or done properly worked, very VERY well. B series guys need this again
Very cool, and for 4500usd i reckon these will fly off the shelves
Love to see this with an rb, wonder if the would do 2.6 and 30 available in rwd and 4wd
Fwd rb30 ftw
@@supers0nic77 nice
Great news, such a great deal for the value.
RB26 needs it more.
I might need to pick one of these up next year for an upcoming build
I just want to know when Dart is releasing their new RB blocks! I need an upgraded RB30 block, but don't want to spend $14,000 on a billet block from Bullet
They could make it for RBs😢 with upgraded webbig and bigger main bearings and oil galleries.
I'm sure they will some day but the market for 2JZ blocks is way bigger than for RB.
they should, the rb has even more weakness than a 2j, but i wonder how many people would buy it?
@@joshfullbright7678 they should do a closed deck k series, I think there would be a lot of demand for that
@@laurean5998 Why, it's non sense. you can make them semi closed or fully closed easy and gonna be cheaper
I wonder why they didnt crossbolt the mains?
I'm going to wait for the test results and off and on the track before pulling the trigger on one of those blocks. I am not going to rush it
Nothing wrong with that approach either if you're in no rush 😎 Hope these live up to your expectations when the time comes - Taz.
Very interesting product. One thing I couldn't stop hearing / paying attention to, was all the breaths taken in between talking.
People have to breathe brother
If not for that pesky will to live getting in the way I'm sure they would give not breathing a crack - Taz.
S54s next please
86mm pistons to run thicker walls?? That would add 2mm between the pistons.
Really want to stick with bmw that bad huh
RB Dart blocks next?
Nothing like sum cast iron to make you realize you were over thinking the whole time😂
Now I need a aftermarket head
We need a f22c1
they should make evo 8 4g63 blocks . they can make so much more money with those
They still make evo 9 blocks
2500+ HP from 6 cyl. Cries in hellcat 😢
Ask them about the Hemi block... they were talking about releasing that for at least 3 years at this point.
You can just get a turnkey crate motor from Dodge.
@@TML34 No one who's interested in a G3 Hemi aftermarket block is considering a factory crate engine from Dodge
@@TML34 If you paid any attention to this video where they address stock block availability, it's stated that Toyota still does run these blocks but the drawback is that you have to buy it as a factory short block and end up throwing away half of the components. You just addressed an entire crate engine... They typically go for anywhere from $25k to $50k if I can remember correctly. So lets say I want my engine to be a turbo 426 with a 4.0 throw and 4.125 bore. I already have to remove the $10,000 supercharger unit. What if I want Thitek heads with coated chambers and valves? I'll now have to remove the $5,000 heads. Now I want some TBC Diamond pistons with the .927 SBC DLC pins on some Callies Enforcer rods... so now I have to remove a $5,000 rotating assembly. The aluminum vvt block is a good option too but it's 2k more than what Dart was trying to ask for their G3 block. The Iron block has a good appeal for street applications because of their full siamese sleeve, lack of core shift, likely a stronger material than factory, thicker decks and they were even attempting to make it a 6 bolt/cylinder block. Now is it ok to want an aftermarket Dart G3 Hemi block?
@@primexgatling5529 if you want ridiculous power, there’s no need for a Hemi build, end of discussion. If you still want a Hemi, and aren’t doing a drag build, then just buy one from the parts catalogue. You get a warranty too.
Dart should make 2 UZ block too for toyota land cruiser
When is cast EJ gonna be available?
SR next please
as far as losing money on a short block.. u can buy the FULL SHORT BLOCK and sell the components which are pretty much NEW still and recoop a good amount of that money back actually for the block itself.
Have you done this personally?
Can't imagine there is a massive market for stock 2jz parts in 'as new' condition from random sellers for anywhere close to new prices. When you put a cost on the time it also takes you to sort all that out and deal with the type of person that is attracted to such products/sales avenues then it's even worse.
That said, if you have found a way to make that work and are more than happy to continue to do things this way, no one is telling you that you can't 😎 - Taz.
Meant to ask before.
It's possible to 3D print casting cores and some companies will cast lower melt point alloys, such as aluminiun or bronze, for customers with some even doing the printing from the customers' file. Can/will DART offer this service for cast/nodular iron/steel products of the customer's design?
Great question, one that I can't answer sadly. You can certainly do that in general as I'm sure you know (lost PLA casting), but for an engine block? Will see if we can sneak in a question around this if we see them later in the year at the likes of SEMA or PRI 😎 - Taz.
Is this the ideal block for having a actual usable and durable 1000HP daly usable car? Can the 2jz do 1000HP on E10 95 Octane pump gas?
Would like to know there cast iron alloy mix how much nickel etc and hardness compared to the factory block as this is critical in a big Hp motor
Surprised they it wasn’t a question you asked
Great interview looks like the block will fill the gap that’s emerging
HPA, what's your take on the EPA Act?
Will we even be able to use such parts in the near future?
Would be cool to see a video on this topic.
We got to stand united in this.
The EPA act? Lol , the RPM act? Which didn't pass, which would have been a good thing. 😂 I bet you vote red
@Roc sti it didn't pass? Well, that's good news. Political overreach is always a bad thing. In this particular case, it was senseless anyway, considering what little impact these emissions have.
I'm not located in the US, but if I were, I would certainly vote red, yes!
I'm from Germany, and I can tell you what political overreach is doing in the endgame.
I can't remember a time when there weren't rules I had to follow to have a street-legal performance vehicle to be honest. I am located in New Zealand, but we still have rules too and as we all get older there seem to be more and more of them.
Just part of the game.
HPA wise, we don't see this going away & the US industry is working to adapt to the new landscape every day - Taz.
@High Performance Academy Thank you, Taz, for your reply.
I appreciate your way of thinking, but I also believe big companies as HPA and others do have the responsibility to represent the customer and stand up for their rights has their voice as more weight than ours.
Again, I am from Germany, and tuning cars is so hard, and in some cases, next to impossible. And it is getting worse and worse. I believe the endgame will be the complete destruction of private car ownership. Sure, you will still be able to lease or maybe buy a car, but you won't be able to do anything to it. Not my definition of ownership.
This is where it will end for countries like the US, Australia, etc. if you guys are not careful.
Here in Germany, we have little to no aftermarket industries. In the US, this is a billion dollar industry. If they get similar rules, like Germany (and the RPM act would have been the start of it), not only we, the customers, will suffer. But also companies and employees.
So be careful which freedoms the government takes away from you.
Just my 2 cents.
Best Regards
This is pretty cool, does anyone make an aftermarket cast head?
Why would they make an aftermarket cast iron head when the factory head alum? Just go billet.
Now we just need a supra kit car
Can you fit these in a 85 rx7
I noticed you were using bolts for the main cap why not use studs style bolting
Material and the application come into play when bolts vs studs are discussed. Don't just copy what someone else is doing, bolts or studs, without understanding your own needs and requirements - Taz.
ZED
$4500 is a great price for a 2jz DART block...🏁
Still just educated guesstimating prices at this point but fingers crossed it comes out where they anticipate 😎 - Taz
Cough make an rb block Cough
Barra block in works?
They can hold that power anyway
@@kiwi8. good cores are getting hard to find 😕
@@Berg-vm5ht I can pick em up for $200 where are you from?
@@kiwi8. Can barely find a Barra core in the States for under $3,000.
@@Cheezeball99999 oh hell who's selling them for that much?
Chriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist almighty give us an RB26 block please!!!!
Another company is working on one of those I believe but it's worth noting that Nissan have also put the RB26 block back into production. Not sure on the price tag .
Some obvious advantages to a RB26 version of what Dart is offering here over a stock block though.
One of the upcoming podcast episodes will have more info re the aftermarket cast RB block - Taz.
Would be nice to see a dart version.
@@hpa101 I was lucky enough to grab a new in the box OEM RB26 but it's still just a stock block with all its flaws, PRP has stated they're going to want 8-10k for their cast RB so Dart, if you're listening, PLEASE make an RB!
A fully assembled 2J weighs roughly the same as a Boss 429.
NOW YOU CAN SPEND EVEN MORE MONEY ON A SMALL DISPLACEMENT ENGINE WITH POOR HEAD FLOW
AMAZING
...yeah... I keep thinking what mis-interpreted ideas you have to prefer thee engine you stroke your bigend over in your own mechanical wet-dreams..
$4,500 for a cast block is EXPENSIVE for what it is... I build my whole short motor for $5,500 with my RB
It’s actually a good price. Take a stock block to the machine shop and have them do billet mains and stroker clearance bore hone etc.. and see what your bill is.
You gotta take into consideration that the block isn't stock design and needs r&d poured to it. It's pretty good upgrade without spending arm and leg for billet one.
Now we just need reproduction head castings
stock or billet...
@@kermitahnenerbe3722 stock castings would be good
@@nickthelebo 2jz ge, it's gonna be less expensive than gte i think and pretty sure are the same. but port may be different on gte to accomodate flow with the turbo 🤔
So. Its not a toyota casting. Then its custom and is no different from a billet block in that its NOT an OEM cast block.
There is a difference between a cast and billet block beyond whether it is a factory or aftermarket/3rd party casting.
Billet vs cast comes up in a bit of content, I can't remember it all but here are two pieces:
Podcast: www.hpacademy.com/blog/037-pushing-60-psi-through-a-subaru-boxer-podcast/?
Interview: www.hpacademy.com/blog/cast-vs-billet-mountune-motorsport-engine-block-design-tech-talk/? - Taz.
What the wed site where we can buy the block on the future?
dartheads.com/
Factory ford barra block can make 2500 hp
And?
@@dj4monie and what? You don't need a aftermarket block to do that with a Barra. The money you spend on that block alone you can be rolling 1000hp barra.
@@kiwi8.too bad it’s not as popular as the tv and 2jz. Clearly most dnt know or care
@@bigjdm5460 only because you do have them
They can do better on that price tag
If it costs more to produce than people are willing to pay, it won't be around for long. I'd say they wouldn't get this far into things without a solid feel for their target market and comparatively priced options. Just my opinion 😎 - Taz.
@@hpa101 and 4500 it's a fairly good price, i was surprised compared to a billet block.
Stainless steel for uber strength 🤌🏻
sometimes an element of ductility within the material-specifications of the elemental recipe of the metal alloy (since steel is an alloy of iron and other elemnts) adds a lavel of durability and resistances to enduring working-forces & wear; steel(s) can sometimes be too stiff &/or brittle compared to an alloy of iron (yes steel is a carbon alloy of iron, but there are iron alloys too, that are not necessarily considered a 'steel' alloy.
I might guess this has trace elements of copper or manganese, molybdenum and perhaps even two or four other elements too, with a final percentage of carbon below the typical carbon content for a 'steel', within its casting iron alloy makeup.