For my own sanity, I choose to believe this is one of those ironic posts the kids do these days. I refuse to believe this tier of stupidity is just present in the world.
@@raionbomber75Humility makes a big difference but it would be pretty big outside of Japan if Bamco didn't fumble... Glad we have a multiple PS4 installments at least.
@thelastgogeta Yeah I do think multiplatform releases would help, although I think we lose mp3 playback functions if they put it on Xbox, idk. Bamco do be dropping the ball on Gundam alot.
People simultaneously want their games to be this hypercompetitive e-sports juggernaut (because those games are for big boys that wear the big boy pants) and want to "hop in after work and have a stress-free experience" without "tryharding" and "meta slaves" (which just means pubstomping, let's be real)
I will never forget a guy that said that sparking zero NEEDS a competitive scene because that's where the big money is. Imagien thinking that a dragon ball game needs an extra way to make money
To be fair, do you think he’s more likely saying that where the money is for THE PLAYERS, not necessarily for Namco-Bandai? As in, it would help those players invested in the game make some bread for themselves if it grew large enough. I don’t really agree with that sentiment mind you, but that might have been the angle he was coming at there.
@@cairnethunderhoof6225 The day anybody hosts a serious in person tournament for Xenoverse, I will be there to watch somebody get beaten with a controller for using the busted CaC mechanics to cheese the game.
DBFZ for me made me realise that I grew out of arena fighting games and playing Sparking Zero solidified that for me. As a Dragonball fan DBFZ is my dream game and apart from a sequel I don't see myself enjoying another Dragonball game nearly as much.
This is what sucks. How one game and taint an entire genre. Some arena fighters are pretty legit fun and well designed. Kill La Kill, Gundam Vs, and Powerstone ( on the upcoming Capcom Collection 2) are all great games. Pokken ain’t bad either.
As the exact 26 year old he’s talking about: 1. BT3 was Peak, no arguments 2. SZ was never gonna be an EVO game, those people were delusional 3. He’s right, SZ is exactly what reasonable people expected it to be 4. Bamco pls add a Mission 100 mode, I’ll give you my first born
Can it be competitive? Yes. Even bt3 has a compeitive scene. Its just the mechanics in this game are janky and may or may not work correctly. Is Sparking Zero reasonable? I still play bt3 on ps2 hardware. I just wanted tenkaichi 3 online, and i got that. But Bamco monkey pawed it and released it in a state where BT3 is polished and better balanced then its sequel. The unresponsive controls, hard knockdowns for free follow-up, defensive mechanics proccing every 4 punches making extensions worthless, the perception spamming, Spark into Spark. The horrific tracking system and shitty targetting system. Sparking Zero visually a Tenkaichi 4, But gameplay? Is more akin to Tenkaichi 1.5. Lots of jank and unbalanced mechanics. 1 thing i do like is them taking some more power out of SS2 Gohan and Kid Buu. (bt2 kidd buu was busted, as mystical combination could combod off of. Bt3 nerfed that, but he still hit like a mac truck. But in SZ hes far more toned down)
This isn’t even the first time. I remember when Xenoverse 2 and Jump Force released they were just as crazy. Never forget the era of scrubquotes where mfs would be like “Run this shit back in Xenoverse 2 you won’t stand a chance” after taking an L in fighterz lmaoooo
The xenoverse shit baffled me for a while. Same with Storm games. I loved the 1st couple storm games too, but I never touched online lol. I just knew it was gonna be ass with the mechanics. Not every game must be competitive, where you're reading frame data and doing frame perfect combos/setups 😂.
it almost wasnt even to play with the boys when the originally werent gona have split screen fights. Though only having ONE stage still sucks a lot. There are so many ways they could work around the limits for split screen to work on other stages.
I'm one of those 98'er that wanted a Budokai Tenkaichi 4 for YEARS. I'm not delusional enough to think this game was going to be competitive, I honestly don't know what game they played. I want this game to have all the techniques as before and more, and be unbalanced as FUCK, that's the fun of the game, that's it. People can't accept a game for what it is bro, I swear.
Developers wanted it to be competitive. Worldwide esports events and a ranked mode with no actual single-player content proofs this. Even the ps2 version had more content
I remember seeing people be hype when at an NEC one year and I tried to play it myself and I'm like damn this what they were gassin up? Def for fun in the same way you bang action figures together when you're 5
6:31 BRO THANK YOU! I be embarrassed to play these games sometimes legit..... Broke B Mentality: "DANG 13K people?!, This Game Sucks everyone quit bruh" Me: HOLD ON THATS ALOT OF MATCHES LETS GO!!!! it's the same thing people do with smaller/niche titles... BBCF can have 200 players (when fighting games are already 1v1 and only need 2 people) man this game sucks fr ME: 200 players, fam that's over 199 Other people I COULD FIGHT
yeah i wanted to go harder on that point but this was an off the cuff convo. i elaborated yesterday on stream: its ironic that the dead games yall talk shit on have the most positive and amicable scenes to run stuff for lmao
It’s all about people wanting to preserve their ego. Even if a pure beginner picks up an easy fg with modern inputs and everything there is no way a pure beginner is becoming godlike within 2-3 weeks of playing. But like Obama said that’s what cod does and that what 2k does. That what a lot of games do and why we love them. You get a light challenge and your ego stroked. Fighting games are designed to tell your ego to go fuck itself. You don’t want to put in the work? You’re getting rolled end of story. People hate hearing that, the ego can’t take it so bam 90% of player base lost.
Played Sparking Zero with my brother month 1. Watched the first TNS for it and brought some of what I learned into the games we played after. Needless to say he hasn't played me since.
I honestly believe most of the glazing from people who wanted it to be "competitive" are just failed fighting game tourists who wanted to latch onto the newest release and ride the gravy train for a bit.
I feel like Sparking Zero was some people's first BT game and they just didn't know. All the complaints I've heard are things from BT3 that didn't change.
Mario Party, Diddy Kong Racing and Twisted Metal 2 at EVO main stage would be hype. Watching someone get wrecked by getting teamed up on 3v1 and robbed in the last 5 turns in Mario Party at such a stage would be peak.
This whole situation has been a scrubquotes factory. Total lunatics going "I weighed the pros and the cons" like they were in a lab, using an alembic, swishing liquids between two beakers instead as opposed to just taking a huge hit of cotton candy flavored computer duster and hopping on X, formerly known as Twitter. I saw mfs saying the problem with the game was that people were "playing corny" with the Android False Courage spam. Complaining from real adults with real unemployment checks that no one was throwing hands as Android 19 zipped up and down out of one corner of their mouth while the other corner demanded this party game be taken seriously as a competitive endeavor. I'm not sure how much overlap there is with the crowd complaining about balance changes, but out there somewhere is the middle of the triple Venn diagram between "no changes, the characters should match canon!" and "put this game on the main stage at Evo" AND "people are playing lame." Someday that mf is gonna run for public office and win in a landslide.
@@OseiTheWarriors bro if they are offended by the androids in this game, imagine if they played marvel vs capcom 2 lmao. The players are to blame but for different reasons
I have been playing for honor again and the scrub quotes are insane there aswell. Same shit; one and dones, rage quits, and people getting triggered over emotes
Here's an interesting relating anecdote from the board game world. I took a profile quiz for the hobby trying to show you a graph of what you care about the most to the least. It would then tell you game recommendations based on the self-reported games people brought up as their favorite after finishing the quiz. One of the axes is "Are you competitively driven? How much of your enjoyment comes from wanting to win". You would think the games recommended for that axis would be like Chess or some kind of game like it. The most popular answers were Stratego, Monopoly, Risk & Settlers of Catan. All games in the zeitgest but HEAVY in luck. Reads pretty similar to me. Doesn't have to do with the active player count argument. But there's a real romantic idea of playing to win happening in the same way in both of the stories there. Competitive merits of game is whatever
@@doogies Yeah it's pretty fascinating. That roleplaying of competitive play is almost the default starting assumption for a lot of people. In the board game world, you can introduce a co-op game where we WIN TOGETHER to someone who plays very few games and that might not immediately register to some as being purposeful. If you're playing a game, you gotta have a winner and a loser.
@@HeyImBodeTabletop RPGs too. People say that mentality is from videogamers who think pen-and-paper RPGs also always have a scoring system and a Win Condition like the videogame ones, but the competitive drive is natural to a lot of people even before Pong existed. There was someone trying to "beat" D&D decades ago just like nowadays.
The thing about the sparking zero glaze that frustrated me to no end was that there were a good bit of decent competitively balanced arena fighters but nobody gave a fuck cuz they didnt have dragon ball attatched to it and at times actively shat on them for bad gameplay and now dragon ball is being held to the same scrutiny theyve dished out and now its copium or active anger like there wasnt an alternative you couldve played years prior. Shoutout to the klk if players and the ultimate ninja storm players. I dont play your games but i understand the struggle
The people hyping up sparking zero and the people hating on the state of arena fighters are two different people 💀 and the only people that are comparing them now are people that don't go outside and think every game is supposed to be competitive when budokai was never comp to begin with
It’s kind of interesting looking back on what some people were expecting out of Sparking Zero. I remember seeing one post asking if it was gonna be the new FighterZ. Idk how that thought crossed his mind, but it gave me a good chuckle seeing it.
People need to realize that DB Sparking Zero is a game meant to be played with FRIENDS, it's an arena fighter not a competitive fighting game, there is a reason why the playerbase is dropping so dramatically, people try to make this game competitive when it is meant to be played for fun
the craziest thing about people who gassed up sparking zero cuz of their nostalgia is that they all thought they fucking RAN THAT SHIT as a kid, like they were the best goddamn party game players on the planet only to complain day 1 about top tiers
I don't even know what point you're trying to make. So if I thought I was good and enjoyed BT3 that means I have to glaze people all picking 2-4 characters in a game with like 500 ?
@@cairnethunderhoof6225Pretty big generalization champ, Vergil’s “OP” in UMvC yet he’s easier to open than Pringles, being OP means nothing if the player can’t utilize WHY they’re OP
The mindset came from people thinking that a game not being competitive magically means that the game is bad. And when somebody points out that the game isn't competitive, people think that it's getting dumped on.
As a 28 year old, Sparking Zero is to us what FF7 remake was to everyone 10 years older than us, and that’s okay. The reason it got so hyped up to be competitive is because most BT3 players got DBFZ and were mind blown by how amazing an actual competitive game can be, and expected that to carry over to Sparking Zero. And BT3, while having a competitive scene, was not a competitive game; and that’s okay too! Sparking Zero will have certainly have its competitive scene, but it is not a competitive game; and guess what, that’s okay. I for one am glad we got Sparking Zero, but it doesn’t live up to the childhood memories, and I have enjoyed sticking to competitive games more, after it’s release.
I played every Budokai and every Tenkaichi game when I was growing up (30 yo). I love them to death but I never once for a second thought they could even pass for a competitive game. Sweaty, sure but I never thought they were built for competitive play. Why I never understood the hype for pro play from Sparking Zero. But I also never understood why there was so much hype leading up to its release. It was always an arena fighter at the end of the day
casual games that have competitive fanbases will always devolve into campy tactics because casual games dont build the engine around rewarding offense/defense properly cus they arent trying to be at the next evo line up. the devs dont expect you to meta their game and optimize the fun out of it, they expect you to PLAY it and enjoy it. not turn it into an excel sheet that determines the best strategy to run away. smash is the exact same way, i played that game comp for years. there is nothing stopping people from spending 7/8 minutes not interacting with you, in fact the games rewards it because it wasnt built around the idea that both opponents are going to actively not interact with their opponent, it was built around 4 people mashing buttons and having a good time
the thing is SOMETIMES this works out and can be something fun, but you dont hop in EXPECTING that....especially when history repeatedly tells you not to
This is straight up that mentality of people watching record sale charts or sports result graphs, and take those way too seriously. Except it's gamers applying the number-watching to a whole other context. The hard part to tell is if they're doing it out of ignorance or just baiting for reactions, but the idea is the same.
As a 25 year old, I cant lie, I think what irks me the most is that while yes, arena fighting games aren't competitive they still have some depth, despite what a lot of people say and think. Though not the same as traditional fighters. I do understand why people want this game at EVO, even though I know it's not going to be just because of how the game is. And what's a shame is that arena fgs can be competitively viable and balanced. Look at Gundam EXVS, Power Stone, Dissidia, hell even Kill La Kill If to some extent. I'd argue _maybe_ even BT3. The competitive community around that game has found hella tech. With all that being said, I do understand your frustrations with the way people talking about this game. (What's funny is that BT3 was more balanced and deeper than SZ. Lol)
Mostly agree with everything you said as someone who is apart of that community. My only take is that even from a casual aspect the game has a lot of annoyance that isn’t fun to deal with and should be adjusted. Outside of that its doing what most should have a expected but the realization is just setting in that we probably don’t actually want that lol
They hated Majin Obama because he spoke the truth. As someone born in 98, I think my peers struggle with nostalgia especially when it comes to games. They can't tell the difference between having a good experience with a game in their childhood, from said game actually being "good". I don't know why people refuse to play more traditional fighting games when they are seeking a competitive experience. Should just accept sparking zero for what it is and was always going to be.
Budokai 3 was legitimately fire, no slander allowed. And the Tenkaichi games were great *as casual slop you played with your friends.* Anybody that thought Sparking Zero would be much more than that is delusional.
2:00 it's crazy because I look towards those games as having taught me the lesson at a young age about the harsh reality of a licensed game that don't star Vin Diesel as Richard B. Riddick or aren't literally made by John Woo
Showing my bias here since I'm 27 (Budokai Tenkaichi 3 released right about when I turned 10) but it seems that the game doesn't know if it fully wants to be like its PS2 counterparts, go full Party Game, or even be something that you should play with someone else. The single player modes that came back are shorter (like Story Mode) or just worse (Tournament Mode lost all of its bells and whistles, it even plays the same exact music track every match) and there's no 3rd single player mode to justify its huge roster (Tenkaichi 3 had a really cool one that had 100 fights total and each mission followed a theme, Tenkaichi 2 had pretty much the MK Towers). So already, in terms of replay value it already feels off compared to those games. It wants to be a party game but local multiplayer gets restricted to 1 stage only, with the devs admitting that they didn't plan to include it if not for fans requesting it. Online doesn't offer you random matchmaking outside of ranked, and rooms/lobbies are only king of the hill style, with no way for multi-matches in a single lobby despite the various player slots. And like, yeah. The gameplay is what it is, I'm not going to write an essay on it. TL;DW: several things that were already on the PS2 games got worse, even on a "I just want to have fun with this toybox" and the new things aren't enough to ignore that. At a casual level you have to play bad on purpose (even with someone that you know) so matches don't devolve into vanish wars all the time, for example. And at some point that stops being fun. The game is beautiful, it has 183 characters, it has 70 or so battle tracks from the guys that did the music for DBFZ. It is also not the fanservice machine it needed to be for me to not care about playing against another human being, and hopefully that changes as time goes on. EXVS spoiled me, MBON specifically.
I get that it might have less and because of your experience, you have higher expectations. Im not defending the direction of the game, what Im saying is when you look at it objectively, you dont think the game has any merit as a pick up and play for a day then forget about it kinda game? like it was for literally millions of people? also yeah gundam a diff breed. MBON that ish
@@doogies Yeah that's it. I have platinum'd it, I have seen what it has for me as both a Dragon Ball fan and as someone who was the right age when the old games came out, I've got my money's worth and will come back for DLC. It is a good time and I recommend it to anyone who asks. I just wish it had grown with me, because it is stuck in 2007 and I'm not.
Thank you for saying that! The tenkaichi games were never meant to be competitive games. The whole point of of those games was for the the chaos, playing couch co-op with the homies. That’s what we signed up for! Fighterz is more of a competitive game than sparking zero, they should play that, or street fighter. Like, enough with complaining about characters being unbalanced.
I remember chatting with a coworker about SZ before it dropped. Dude asked me if I'm ever gonna try to play it competitively and I'm like "nah I got Tekken for that lmao". It's crazy watching ppl who really didn't play Tenkaichi like that back in the day try and force it to be something it isn't. These games were NEVER meant to be taken seriously...even the devs straight up said it!
I'll take an L here and admit I believed Sparking Zero had a legit chance at having a small competitive scene. It's a fun game and the characters are more balanced than you would think with the way the point system works. The system mechanics are what's straight ass.
Sparking Zero is kinda fun to take seriously, thinking of different team comps for DP battle and stuff, but the outliers in power at the lower end make the game less fun, and the defense being so insanely strong really kills it.
I personally dont think the game is above some sort of balance. But lmao ain't no way I was gonna play that shit competitively. It pisses me off so much when people say "Game dead lol here's a number I pulled from steam knowing damn well PC stats are a vertical slice." Like damn just don't have fun and enjoy your suffering you made for yourself.
The funny thing is that there are niche competitive scenes for Tenkaichi 2 and 3 despite the game being a bunch of nonsense, and they make the most of it even with its flaws as a "competitive game" lol.
I was dissapointed that this game "tries" to be competitive too hard. There are way too many unnecessary mechanics stacked together to try to prevent me from picking some Goku with rainbow feminist hair and spamming beams when that's the only thing I boot the game for. I want goofy ass infinite combos, I want kid goku with 10+ teleports for no reason, I want giant characters to be fucking invincible and very impractical Spirit Bombs and Kaioken stacking mechanics. Miss me with the competitive crap.
"24 to 29" phew, I'm glad I didn't make the age range lmao. I came after them, I'm 20, I missed out on the tenkaichi games so I feel like I'm agreeing with you but for different reasons. I'll be watching YT's play the old ones and it looks aight. I can definitely imagine having fun with it as a kid but I never thought it could have competitive viability. I tried playing sparking zero with friends and that reinforced my belief with some of the shit we could do. It's just not a competitive game with the balancing choices (or lack thereof in this case). If you're banning players cause they found some cheese you don't like that probably shows you're game isn't meant to be played like that. But arena fighter fans will be arena fighter fans. Liked the vid man, keep up the good work and I'm excited for the next tatakai tuesday!
I think the game is actually kind of fair only thing I’d like to see is stabler connections, punishing rage quitters (and dcers, get better internet scrub), and reign in SOME characters mechanics: - Ki blast spam from sparking mode - ki-less dragon dashing for androids 19-20 (just make it cost less for them, not nothing) - vanish war changes (nothing too different) - a way to change singles matches, like a DP range set (1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 6-8, 8-10 DP range singles battles). Because all you see in singles is top tier 10 DP characters, and that’s easily a way to fix that
@@doogieseh, I'd argue DBFZ is in quite a good state now actually. For a tag fighter team composition is the best it's ever been and there aren't any characters that are outright bad anymore. But i appreciate that the game has become drastically more volatile which people might not like. But I say fuck it, let the Dragonball characters feel busted.
@@theninjaofdeath879 agreed. A lot of people seem to have knee jerk reactions to patch notes without actually playing the game, or only having played it in an earlier state and it shows. The current patch, and the previous one too were remarkable for balance, especially in a 3v3 tag fighter.
People don’t realize that competitive ≠ balanced. The players make the game competitive. I just think it was a terrible move for them to throw a tourny for a game that was explicitly said to not be comp, and is riddled with exploits/glitches. This game is just mechanically all over the place
What’s crazy is that I booted up Storm Connections with the boys and I actually had a better time with the game than Sparking cause some of this shit is just jank and some of the community refuses to acknowledge the game is mechanically unwell. I grew up trying to play competitive Smash but DBFZ made me fall in love with fighting games. DBFZ is the game that got my start on actually taking fighting games seriously and when I see actual flaws in Sparking Zero ppl want to say I’m just hating. I’m like no the game is actually kinda scuffed and it needs adjustments. All I’m saying is some of these Sparking Zero players wouldn’t last a day playing against UMVC3 Morridoom or Zero May Cry if they think some of these players “cheese”
I find it funny how this take gets overshadowed by the amount of “iTs sUppOseD tO bE uNbALanCeD” people on social media. Like damn is it so hard to make a game that just “makes sense” to play. Like i dont care about e-sports bro i want the game to be fun not cancerous💔💔💔
@@doncinati7644 exactly. Storm Connections HAVE LITERAL GODS IN THE GAME, yet while there is jank gameplay at times, most of the stuff in the game mechanically works as intended while keeping the core gameplay intact. Kaguya can literally change the layout of the map, does it break the games core mechanics, no it doesnt. It’s just a lot of folks want to have fun but not lose themselves to brain rot when the game doesn’t work as it’s designed.
The problem is people making a not competitive game competitive (arena/party games), when there are exactly games made to be competitive (2d/3d fighting games) but they skip those and then act super ''sweaty'' like they complain about those other games on their not serious games instead lol.
It's because they see tekken and street fighter players who have thousands of hours of time into those games who have been playing for many years and have worked super hard to get to where they're at and they wanna get to the same level of recognition with a game that takes no where near the same amount of skill and time to get good at.
I'm not even sure why ppl WANT this game to be competitive since it was never supposed to be. They'd have to strip out so much to make it fair. Like the Androids have Ki Dash stalling, right? Let's say they patch out their infinite Ki or nerf dashing, cool. Next, what about instant spark, super armor, instant transmission defense, fusion to bypass character cost, transformations to bypass character cost, the warp wars minigame, and so on, all of these are also broken mechanics. At some point it's not even the same game anymore lol Make community rules to make your game competitive or keep pressing for patches, either way stop saying this game is competitively viable or it belongs at EVO
Literally no one asked for instant spark or infinite stalling. Literally just take out every single thing that makes the game anti engagement. It doesn't need to be competitive it needs to be playable..
Nostalgia is an powerfull drug. This game clearly focuses on the multiplayer aspect. Where is all the singleplayer content that backs up your claim that this is an casual ps2 game.
Appreciate the Viewtiful Joe gameplay awesome game and I would love to see it come back 5:08 Thank you!!! It's like people never played a fighting game before. Most people leave within the first few months with few exceptions. Like if friggin Xrd or CF got 13k people playing daily the AFGC community would be rejoicing right now. I personally enjoy Sparking Zero and always found the dooming to be over dramatic. However, if there was one thing I would fix is supporting more local multiplayer options. Open up more stages with a drop in visual fidelity, maybe a multi-monitor mode so people with 2 monitors and a strong enough PC could do versus on them. A 4 player battle option could be fun.
Sparking Zero is how i wanted the sequel to FighterZ to be (minus the fodder characters and excessive weaker forms thrust into SZ) Its a shame its an arena fighter imo. Can't beat a classic fighting game.
I mean, its still a good game. Yeah its unbalanced but that doesnt mean its not good. I do think its unfair to say the Tenkaichi series doesnt have any depth at all, because it does have more than fgc heads say it does.
With a worldwide esports event, a ranked mode and almost no singleplayer content, the developers sure wanted to be competitive. Mario party is the most ridiculous comparison ever. Does it even have an online mode? This is a sure case of insanity. He does not know he is the delusional one..
Budokai 1 was my introduction to dragonball, absolutely life changing. That being said everyone my age glazing the SZ before it came out had me feeling like Mob Psycho when the entire town got possessed by the broccoli cult. What do you mean we're trying to host tournaments for money for the game where Broly is allowed to not have to flinch from any melee attacks? Where the androids and cell simply don't have to charge? You're wanting me to compete in a game so unbalanced it's using perceived character strength as it's primary design philosophy? Oh hell naw I'd rather run down to the casino and mash the boomer buttons.
I contributed to a guide on GameFAQs for Budokai Tenkaichi 1 back in the day and will stan for merits exist in all kinds of fighters but even in 00s, I felt like things were a bit off for being a serious title in part due to experiencing BT3 online on the Wii and also seeing what other series had done (Gundam Vs and Clash of Ninja). Unfortunately people are too loyal to brands over quality AND got overly hyped as if Spike Chunsoft must have gotten everything right just because the roster was comparable to BT3. I'll still play it with my nephew at least.
nah see i think the people who thought this game could be competitively viable just played budokai and the tenkaichi games when they were 8 and never went back to them again. those games are an unbalanced mess and it didn't take a genius to see that
I'm 27, grown real pessimistic about "remasters, rereleases, re-whatever" and had a lot of fun with the game in the first few weeks playing with my friends. Of course I noticed some things I didn't quite like but right now I think the game just needs some slight system adjustments with the vanishing, Z-Counter and lock on system. In my opinion the previous games did those a bit better at least in terms of gameplay flow. Other than that, yeah people are gonna be locusts and consume the game in less than a month with all the betas, journalist previews and early access you have the wiki up and running on day one. Information is just gathered and shared in such a short amount of time that people will optimize the fun out of every game that releases. You have to be able to make your own fun to get enjoyment out of them nowadays but that's just my 2 cents.
Ngl i wanted some competitive scene solely for the fact just TO SEE how it COULD be played on a higher level than i ever could reach & im not surprised. Ppl will complain but Im just happy i managed to live and see a modern 4k entry in my favorite db game series that i accepted for years was dead
Zoomer fgc guy here, no disagreements whatsoever and I very much enjoyed sparking zero. Buuuuuuut, Budokai 3 and infinite world are some of the most slept on fighting games ever. Please look up combo videos or competitive matches for those games because it’s some crazy shit. I swear I’m not biased 😅
This is what dragon ball has always been, this is the type of game you are playing for a while, stop, watch some dragon ball one day and say, damn let me hop on sparking Zero and have a blast playing
globku has the better opinion he is critical and u are dismissive and allow bandai to release broken dei garbage overpriced games like this
Globku is a weakling and you are too
how is dragon ball dei huh what
@@Padlock_Steve They don't like the game therefore it is DEI
You just blow in from stupid town?
For my own sanity, I choose to believe this is one of those ironic posts the kids do these days. I refuse to believe this tier of stupidity is just present in the world.
DBZSZ players "13,000 players dead game"
Me looking for The Last Blade 2 games on FC2 "oh shit there's 20 people on here tonight sick!"
they will never understand
Me as a Vsav player on fightcade2 with only 11 players to rotate between.💀
MF how do you think I feel with FC2 XvSF? There like 3 people and they're all from Trinidad
90 percent leftb
@jamesnubz u can play that on collection now tho with rollback so y not try it out and see if it has more players
Imagine thinking a game with 200 characters was ever going to be properly balanced and have a legitimate competitive scene
Unfortunately fucking Bandai thought it could. Even though they themselves said it wasn’t supposed to
I mean Gundam Extreme does it, the difference is we cool being a side game in the basement while our 4 ps4s heat up the venue.
EXVS exists, but that it's own thing
@@raionbomber75Humility makes a big difference but it would be pretty big outside of Japan if Bamco didn't fumble... Glad we have a multiple PS4 installments at least.
@thelastgogeta Yeah I do think multiplatform releases would help, although I think we lose mp3 playback functions if they put it on Xbox, idk. Bamco do be dropping the ball on Gundam alot.
People simultaneously want their games to be this hypercompetitive e-sports juggernaut (because those games are for big boys that wear the big boy pants) and want to "hop in after work and have a stress-free experience" without "tryharding" and "meta slaves" (which just means pubstomping, let's be real)
This
When the game was announced, i 100% know this game is not competitive because its a tenkaichi series and not a versus fighting
Except this game has neither
@@cairnethunderhoof6225
Neither what ?
@@TheNbmonstre951 nothing for casuals and nothing for pros.
@cairnethunderhoof6225
Ah i see…
On m’y opinion it’s perfect for me because im on the middle
But yeah, i understand what you meaning about that
I will never forget a guy that said that sparking zero NEEDS a competitive scene because that's where the big money is.
Imagien thinking that a dragon ball game needs an extra way to make money
DBZ Kakarot and Xenoverse 2 still got content being made for it. They will be okay
@bdo333 EXACTLY!
@@bdo333 I mean xenoverse is a pretty competitive game.
To be fair, do you think he’s more likely saying that where the money is for THE PLAYERS, not necessarily for Namco-Bandai? As in, it would help those players invested in the game make some bread for themselves if it grew large enough.
I don’t really agree with that sentiment mind you, but that might have been the angle he was coming at there.
@@cairnethunderhoof6225 The day anybody hosts a serious in person tournament for Xenoverse, I will be there to watch somebody get beaten with a controller for using the busted CaC mechanics to cheese the game.
Im 30 and the only thing I wanted from this game was to fight gigant monkeys and see characters transforming.
got your wish lmao
Same except I ddint get my Rock Throw Gohan so am disappointed.
DBFZ for me made me realise that I grew out of arena fighting games and playing Sparking Zero solidified that for me. As a Dragonball fan DBFZ is my dream game and apart from a sequel I don't see myself enjoying another Dragonball game nearly as much.
respectable, adult, actual fan opinion. based
This is what sucks. How one game and taint an entire genre. Some arena fighters are pretty legit fun and well designed. Kill La Kill, Gundam Vs, and Powerstone ( on the upcoming Capcom Collection 2) are all great games. Pokken ain’t bad either.
Likewise, DBFZ is the DREAM db fighting game. It captures the essence of the anime while being a crazy fun game to play
wtf is sparking zero my guy is that a strongzero flavor
idk i think its a sugar free seltzer
Sounds good af tho
dragon ball fans really thought they were immune to the anime arena fighter curse
As the exact 26 year old he’s talking about:
1. BT3 was Peak, no arguments
2. SZ was never gonna be an EVO game, those people were delusional
3. He’s right, SZ is exactly what reasonable people expected it to be
4. Bamco pls add a Mission 100 mode, I’ll give you my first born
Amen to all that
Can it be competitive? Yes. Even bt3 has a compeitive scene. Its just the mechanics in this game are janky and may or may not work correctly.
Is Sparking Zero reasonable? I still play bt3 on ps2 hardware. I just wanted tenkaichi 3 online, and i got that. But Bamco monkey pawed it and released it in a state where BT3 is polished and better balanced then its sequel.
The unresponsive controls, hard knockdowns for free follow-up, defensive mechanics proccing every 4 punches making extensions worthless, the perception spamming, Spark into Spark. The horrific tracking system and shitty targetting system.
Sparking Zero visually a Tenkaichi 4, But gameplay? Is more akin to Tenkaichi 1.5. Lots of jank and unbalanced mechanics.
1 thing i do like is them taking some more power out of SS2 Gohan and Kid Buu. (bt2 kidd buu was busted, as mystical combination could combod off of. Bt3 nerfed that, but he still hit like a mac truck. But in SZ hes far more toned down)
Such reductive points. “Reasonable people” no, the game has issues that it shouldn’t have, that Tenkaichi 3 didn’t have.
This isn’t even the first time. I remember when Xenoverse 2 and Jump Force released they were just as crazy.
Never forget the era of scrubquotes where mfs would be like “Run this shit back in Xenoverse 2 you won’t stand a chance” after taking an L in fighterz lmaoooo
TALK TO THEM
The xenoverse shit baffled me for a while. Same with Storm games. I loved the 1st couple storm games too, but I never touched online lol. I just knew it was gonna be ass with the mechanics. Not every game must be competitive, where you're reading frame data and doing frame perfect combos/setups 😂.
Meanwhile Custom Battle enjoyers on a faraway continent having a blast
sparking zero is a game you boot up to play with the boys and have fun I DONT UNDERSTAND people who want this to be a legit competitive game
Rather play literally anything else with friends
it almost wasnt even to play with the boys when the originally werent gona have split screen fights. Though only having ONE stage still sucks a lot. There are so many ways they could work around the limits for split screen to work on other stages.
@@KnucklesWTD Bro made like 20 comments hating on a video game 😭
@ because it was a waste of $75 essentially. There were several better games released that month too.
@@KnucklesWTD drop a negative steam review and move on with your life like the rest of us
I'm one of those 98'er that wanted a Budokai Tenkaichi 4 for YEARS. I'm not delusional enough to think this game was going to be competitive, I honestly don't know what game they played. I want this game to have all the techniques as before and more, and be unbalanced as FUCK, that's the fun of the game, that's it.
People can't accept a game for what it is bro, I swear.
thank you. thats all im saying
@@pavro_w0t719 as is it’s a bad game with no content or any type of replay value whatsoever.
I am also a 98er, sparking zero is for single player content. The game doesn't even have good netcode, why would I bother playing online.
Kind of getting worryingly close to "improvement bad, don't ask questions, consume product and get hype for next product" rhetoric at the end, there.
Developers wanted it to be competitive. Worldwide esports events and a ranked mode with no actual single-player content proofs this.
Even the ps2 version had more content
Possible to have made Budokai 2/3 competitive, its FighterZ now. Tenkai series was never competitive. I'm 33.
actual normal person opinion. thank you
I agree, best comment here
@@geraldocasiano5047 but tenkaichi 3 has a competitive scene already...
Infinite World >>>>>>
Explain why this game focuses so much on competitive with its esports events and ranked mode.
I have less single-player content than the ps2 version.
Expecting Spike chunsoft to balance a game is wild 😂
If it ain't wrestling, they won't bother. They are the Fire Pro people, after all
I remember seeing people be hype when at an NEC one year and I tried to play it myself and I'm like damn this what they were gassin up? Def for fun in the same way you bang action figures together when you're 5
im not even hating on it im just confused at people trying to present it as something it isnt
I'm ngl I think the game sucks but you definitely do too if you think it's like "banging"
6:31 BRO THANK YOU! I be embarrassed to play these games sometimes legit.....
Broke B Mentality: "DANG 13K people?!, This Game Sucks everyone quit bruh"
Me: HOLD ON THATS ALOT OF MATCHES LETS GO!!!!
it's the same thing people do with smaller/niche titles...
BBCF can have 200 players (when fighting games are already 1v1 and only need 2 people)
man this game sucks fr
ME: 200 players, fam that's over 199 Other people I COULD FIGHT
yeah i wanted to go harder on that point but this was an off the cuff convo. i elaborated yesterday on stream: its ironic that the dead games yall talk shit on have the most positive and amicable scenes to run stuff for lmao
It’s all about people wanting to preserve their ego. Even if a pure beginner picks up an easy fg with modern inputs and everything there is no way a pure beginner is becoming godlike within 2-3 weeks of playing. But like Obama said that’s what cod does and that what 2k does. That what a lot of games do and why we love them. You get a light challenge and your ego stroked. Fighting games are designed to tell your ego to go fuck itself. You don’t want to put in the work? You’re getting rolled end of story. People hate hearing that, the ego can’t take it so bam 90% of player base lost.
Played Sparking Zero with my brother month 1. Watched the first TNS for it and brought some of what I learned into the games we played after. Needless to say he hasn't played me since.
I honestly believe most of the glazing from people who wanted it to be "competitive" are just failed fighting game tourists who wanted to latch onto the newest release and ride the gravy train for a bit.
TOURISTS
I feel like Sparking Zero was some people's first BT game and they just didn't know. All the complaints I've heard are things from BT3 that didn't change.
🎯
Viewtiful joe is so goddamn based. I never finished the last dificulty to unlock young/robo blue (w/e the last one was) but man. What a banger game
Mario Party, Diddy Kong Racing and Twisted Metal 2 at EVO main stage would be hype. Watching someone get wrecked by getting teamed up on 3v1 and robbed in the last 5 turns in Mario Party at such a stage would be peak.
Also we need RuneScape clan wars at EVO. If that is not a fighting game, then my brain got removed with my wisdom teeth.
Mario party would be kinda hype at evo lol
This whole situation has been a scrubquotes factory. Total lunatics going "I weighed the pros and the cons" like they were in a lab, using an alembic, swishing liquids between two beakers instead as opposed to just taking a huge hit of cotton candy flavored computer duster and hopping on X, formerly known as Twitter.
I saw mfs saying the problem with the game was that people were "playing corny" with the Android False Courage spam. Complaining from real adults with real unemployment checks that no one was throwing hands as Android 19 zipped up and down out of one corner of their mouth while the other corner demanded this party game be taken seriously as a competitive endeavor. I'm not sure how much overlap there is with the crowd complaining about balance changes, but out there somewhere is the middle of the triple Venn diagram between "no changes, the characters should match canon!" and "put this game on the main stage at Evo" AND "people are playing lame." Someday that mf is gonna run for public office and win in a landslide.
the best part is....there is counterplay to the androids. we saw it in tournament. dudes literally crying over top tier
Blaming the players had to be the most braindead take from the drama. It really showed how many ppl never played a fighting game lol
@@doogies androids are cancer lil bro don't die on that hill. Mfers were making dp battles take 20 minutes each
@@OseiTheWarriors bro if they are offended by the androids in this game, imagine if they played marvel vs capcom 2 lmao.
The players are to blame but for different reasons
I have been playing for honor again and the scrub quotes are insane there aswell. Same shit; one and dones, rage quits, and people getting triggered over emotes
Here's an interesting relating anecdote from the board game world. I took a profile quiz for the hobby trying to show you a graph of what you care about the most to the least. It would then tell you game recommendations based on the self-reported games people brought up as their favorite after finishing the quiz.
One of the axes is "Are you competitively driven? How much of your enjoyment comes from wanting to win". You would think the games recommended for that axis would be like Chess or some kind of game like it. The most popular answers were Stratego, Monopoly, Risk & Settlers of Catan. All games in the zeitgest but HEAVY in luck.
Reads pretty similar to me. Doesn't have to do with the active player count argument. But there's a real romantic idea of playing to win happening in the same way in both of the stories there. Competitive merits of game is whatever
cool anecdote. i mean that too, thats legit interesting lol
@@doogies Yeah it's pretty fascinating. That roleplaying of competitive play is almost the default starting assumption for a lot of people.
In the board game world, you can introduce a co-op game where we WIN TOGETHER to someone who plays very few games and that might not immediately register to some as being purposeful. If you're playing a game, you gotta have a winner and a loser.
@@HeyImBodeTabletop RPGs too. People say that mentality is from videogamers who think pen-and-paper RPGs also always have a scoring system and a Win Condition like the videogame ones, but the competitive drive is natural to a lot of people even before Pong existed. There was someone trying to "beat" D&D decades ago just like nowadays.
The thing about the sparking zero glaze that frustrated me to no end was that there were a good bit of decent competitively balanced arena fighters but nobody gave a fuck cuz they didnt have dragon ball attatched to it and at times actively shat on them for bad gameplay and now dragon ball is being held to the same scrutiny theyve dished out and now its copium or active anger like there wasnt an alternative you couldve played years prior.
Shoutout to the klk if players and the ultimate ninja storm players. I dont play your games but i understand the struggle
TALK TO THEM
Ninja storm is literally a worse S0
@@killinswagz kill la kill was mid. If arcsys name wasn’t on it it wouldn’t have gotten the praise it did.
The people hyping up sparking zero and the people hating on the state of arena fighters are two different people 💀 and the only people that are comparing them now are people that don't go outside and think every game is supposed to be competitive when budokai was never comp to begin with
dissidia 012 brothers unite
all 6 of them
VIEWTIFUL JOE SUPER CUT WHEN?
finished it on stream yesterday. expect it soon. its the Real DMC2
@@doogies VIEWTIFUL
“slow the fuck down dude. it was not that crazy” 😭 my goat
It’s kind of interesting looking back on what some people were expecting out of Sparking Zero. I remember seeing one post asking if it was gonna be the new FighterZ. Idk how that thought crossed his mind, but it gave me a good chuckle seeing it.
People need to realize that DB Sparking Zero is a game meant to be played with FRIENDS, it's an arena fighter not a competitive fighting game, there is a reason why the playerbase is dropping so dramatically, people try to make this game competitive when it is meant to be played for fun
the craziest thing about people who gassed up sparking zero cuz of their nostalgia is that they all thought they fucking RAN THAT SHIT as a kid, like they were the best goddamn party game players on the planet only to complain day 1 about top tiers
They call people boomers then huff the nostalgia harder than the old folks...insane
I don't even know what point you're trying to make. So if I thought I was good and enjoyed BT3 that means I have to glaze people all picking 2-4 characters in a game with like 500 ?
@@cairnethunderhoof6225 the point is if you really liked your game and you was good at it you wouldn't complain about facing a top tier lol
@@Ryuma103desires I mean.. no ? Literally no good player in any game ever actively enjoys fighting the same op characters.
@@cairnethunderhoof6225Pretty big generalization champ, Vergil’s “OP” in UMvC yet he’s easier to open than Pringles, being OP means nothing if the player can’t utilize WHY they’re OP
back in my day we played ESF and prayed that dragonball gt final bout would be on the shelf next time we went to blockbuster.
MANNNN TALK TO EM
Man final bout was trash but we still had fun playing it. Didn't have much choice with DB games back then
The mindset came from people thinking that a game not being competitive magically means that the game is bad. And when somebody points out that the game isn't competitive, people think that it's getting dumped on.
As a 28 year old, Sparking Zero is to us what FF7 remake was to everyone 10 years older than us, and that’s okay. The reason it got so hyped up to be competitive is because most BT3 players got DBFZ and were mind blown by how amazing an actual competitive game can be, and expected that to carry over to Sparking Zero. And BT3, while having a competitive scene, was not a competitive game; and that’s okay too! Sparking Zero will have certainly have its competitive scene, but it is not a competitive game; and guess what, that’s okay. I for one am glad we got Sparking Zero, but it doesn’t live up to the childhood memories, and I have enjoyed sticking to competitive games more, after it’s release.
As a 99'ner you'd imagine the backlash I received among my friend group when I told them "game aint that deep bro"
I played every Budokai and every Tenkaichi game when I was growing up (30 yo). I love them to death but I never once for a second thought they could even pass for a competitive game. Sweaty, sure but I never thought they were built for competitive play. Why I never understood the hype for pro play from Sparking Zero. But I also never understood why there was so much hype leading up to its release. It was always an arena fighter at the end of the day
casual games that have competitive fanbases will always devolve into campy tactics because casual games dont build the engine around rewarding offense/defense properly cus they arent trying to be at the next evo line up. the devs dont expect you to meta their game and optimize the fun out of it, they expect you to PLAY it and enjoy it. not turn it into an excel sheet that determines the best strategy to run away. smash is the exact same way, i played that game comp for years. there is nothing stopping people from spending 7/8 minutes not interacting with you, in fact the games rewards it because it wasnt built around the idea that both opponents are going to actively not interact with their opponent, it was built around 4 people mashing buttons and having a good time
the thing is SOMETIMES this works out and can be something fun, but you dont hop in EXPECTING that....especially when history repeatedly tells you not to
They got mad that the dragon ball simulator sequel played like a dragon ball simulator
People don't like calling their game jank
This is straight up that mentality of people watching record sale charts or sports result graphs, and take those way too seriously. Except it's gamers applying the number-watching to a whole other context. The hard part to tell is if they're doing it out of ignorance or just baiting for reactions, but the idea is the same.
agreed
As a 25 year old, I cant lie, I think what irks me the most is that while yes, arena fighting games aren't competitive they still have some depth, despite what a lot of people say and think. Though not the same as traditional fighters. I do understand why people want this game at EVO, even though I know it's not going to be just because of how the game is.
And what's a shame is that arena fgs can be competitively viable and balanced. Look at Gundam EXVS, Power Stone, Dissidia, hell even Kill La Kill If to some extent. I'd argue _maybe_ even BT3. The competitive community around that game has found hella tech.
With all that being said, I do understand your frustrations with the way people talking about this game.
(What's funny is that BT3 was more balanced and deeper than SZ. Lol)
Mostly agree with everything you said as someone who is apart of that community. My only take is that even from a casual aspect the game has a lot of annoyance that isn’t fun to deal with and should be adjusted.
Outside of that its doing what most should have a expected but the realization is just setting in that we probably don’t actually want that lol
They hated Majin Obama because he spoke the truth.
As someone born in 98, I think my peers struggle with nostalgia especially when it comes to games. They can't tell the difference between having a good experience with a game in their childhood, from said game actually being "good".
I don't know why people refuse to play more traditional fighting games when they are seeking a competitive experience. Should just accept sparking zero for what it is and was always going to be.
You see the vision
Budokai 3 was legitimately fire, no slander allowed.
And the Tenkaichi games were great *as casual slop you played with your friends.* Anybody that thought Sparking Zero would be much more than that is delusional.
im not slandering the games here. i know what they are and they are fine, is my point.
my issue is the people
To be fair, he didn't play Budokai 3, he said as much
Infinite World >>>>> Budokai 3
Always love these vids when Majin Obama gets philosophical. Man’s got a way with words my professors never will
Thank you so much! You're saying what needed to be said all this time!
theyre smoking crack if they think people are gonna balance a game with 90+ characters
2:00 it's crazy because I look towards those games as having taught me the lesson at a young age about the harsh reality of a licensed game that don't star Vin Diesel as Richard B. Riddick or aren't literally made by John Woo
tbh i want the people asking for tourney spots to get em so they can see android 19 cheese everyone out and then they never ask for that shit again
The competitive aspect of sparking zero is fucked since the neutral is fucked too.
Showing my bias here since I'm 27 (Budokai Tenkaichi 3 released right about when I turned 10) but it seems that the game doesn't know if it fully wants to be like its PS2 counterparts, go full Party Game, or even be something that you should play with someone else.
The single player modes that came back are shorter (like Story Mode) or just worse (Tournament Mode lost all of its bells and whistles, it even plays the same exact music track every match) and there's no 3rd single player mode to justify its huge roster (Tenkaichi 3 had a really cool one that had 100 fights total and each mission followed a theme, Tenkaichi 2 had pretty much the MK Towers). So already, in terms of replay value it already feels off compared to those games.
It wants to be a party game but local multiplayer gets restricted to 1 stage only, with the devs admitting that they didn't plan to include it if not for fans requesting it. Online doesn't offer you random matchmaking outside of ranked, and rooms/lobbies are only king of the hill style, with no way for multi-matches in a single lobby despite the various player slots.
And like, yeah. The gameplay is what it is, I'm not going to write an essay on it. TL;DW: several things that were already on the PS2 games got worse, even on a "I just want to have fun with this toybox" and the new things aren't enough to ignore that. At a casual level you have to play bad on purpose (even with someone that you know) so matches don't devolve into vanish wars all the time, for example. And at some point that stops being fun.
The game is beautiful, it has 183 characters, it has 70 or so battle tracks from the guys that did the music for DBFZ. It is also not the fanservice machine it needed to be for me to not care about playing against another human being, and hopefully that changes as time goes on.
EXVS spoiled me, MBON specifically.
I get that it might have less and because of your experience, you have higher expectations.
Im not defending the direction of the game, what Im saying is when you look at it objectively, you dont think the game has any merit as a pick up and play for a day then forget about it kinda game? like it was for literally millions of people?
also yeah gundam a diff breed. MBON that ish
@@doogies Yeah that's it. I have platinum'd it, I have seen what it has for me as both a Dragon Ball fan and as someone who was the right age when the old games came out, I've got my money's worth and will come back for DLC. It is a good time and I recommend it to anyone who asks.
I just wish it had grown with me, because it is stuck in 2007 and I'm not.
competitive mario party. that needs to be a thing.
Thank you for saying that! The tenkaichi games were never meant to be competitive games. The whole point of of those games was for the the chaos, playing couch co-op with the homies. That’s what we signed up for! Fighterz is more of a competitive game than sparking zero, they should play that, or street fighter. Like, enough with complaining about characters being unbalanced.
This entire conversation sounds JUST like me venting about dealing my family members who have dementia. I'm hollering 🤣🤣
Lmao
sparking zero rank matches take so long for a fighting game
Yup even without stalling it's too long they gotta change some health modifiers or something
I don’t think they go long enough, especially for DP. It’s an arena fighter not a traditional fighter.
I remember chatting with a coworker about SZ before it dropped. Dude asked me if I'm ever gonna try to play it competitively and I'm like "nah I got Tekken for that lmao".
It's crazy watching ppl who really didn't play Tenkaichi like that back in the day try and force it to be something it isn't. These games were NEVER meant to be taken seriously...even the devs straight up said it!
I'll take an L here and admit I believed Sparking Zero had a legit chance at having a small competitive scene. It's a fun game and the characters are more balanced than you would think with the way the point system works. The system mechanics are what's straight ass.
theres no L to be taken. Just be real with yourself and the product lol
Sparking Zero is kinda fun to take seriously, thinking of different team comps for DP battle and stuff, but the outliers in power at the lower end make the game less fun, and the defense being so insanely strong really kills it.
...wait a minute this can't be a sparking zero video...this makes to much sense
rare footage
I personally dont think the game is above some sort of balance. But lmao ain't no way I was gonna play that shit competitively. It pisses me off so much when people say "Game dead lol here's a number I pulled from steam knowing damn well PC stats are a vertical slice." Like damn just don't have fun and enjoy your suffering you made for yourself.
The funny thing is that there are niche competitive scenes for Tenkaichi 2 and 3 despite the game being a bunch of nonsense, and they make the most of it even with its flaws as a "competitive game" lol.
I was dissapointed that this game "tries" to be competitive too hard. There are way too many unnecessary mechanics stacked together to try to prevent me from picking some Goku with rainbow feminist hair and spamming beams when that's the only thing I boot the game for.
I want goofy ass infinite combos, I want kid goku with 10+ teleports for no reason, I want giant characters to be fucking invincible and very impractical Spirit Bombs and Kaioken stacking mechanics. Miss me with the competitive crap.
"24 to 29" phew, I'm glad I didn't make the age range lmao. I came after them, I'm 20, I missed out on the tenkaichi games so I feel like I'm agreeing with you but for different reasons. I'll be watching YT's play the old ones and it looks aight. I can definitely imagine having fun with it as a kid but I never thought it could have competitive viability. I tried playing sparking zero with friends and that reinforced my belief with some of the shit we could do. It's just not a competitive game with the balancing choices (or lack thereof in this case). If you're banning players cause they found some cheese you don't like that probably shows you're game isn't meant to be played like that. But arena fighter fans will be arena fighter fans. Liked the vid man, keep up the good work and I'm excited for the next tatakai tuesday!
it's okay, bleach rebirth of souls will save us
I think the game is actually kind of fair only thing I’d like to see is stabler connections, punishing rage quitters (and dcers, get better internet scrub), and reign in SOME characters mechanics:
- Ki blast spam from sparking mode
- ki-less dragon dashing for androids 19-20 (just make it cost less for them, not nothing)
- vanish war changes (nothing too different)
- a way to change singles matches, like a DP range set (1-2, 2-3, 3-4, 4-5, 5-6, 6-8, 8-10 DP range singles battles). Because all you see in singles is top tier 10 DP characters, and that’s easily a way to fix that
Obama is the hero we need not the one we deserve
It's an *Arena Fighter,* why tf are people try-harding ?
That's what FighterZ was* for.
*before ArcSys patched that shit into the dirt.
there was like, 1 ver of dbfz that existed for 2 months that was a "good" patch man. most of the time, the game was rough
Arena fighters got way more shooters and they want their favourite thing to have all the attention.
@@doogieseh, I'd argue DBFZ is in quite a good state now actually. For a tag fighter team composition is the best it's ever been and there aren't any characters that are outright bad anymore. But i appreciate that the game has become drastically more volatile which people might not like. But I say fuck it, let the Dragonball characters feel busted.
Imagine saying DBFZ was competitive before rollback ...
@@theninjaofdeath879 agreed.
A lot of people seem to have knee jerk reactions to patch notes without actually playing the game, or only having played it in an earlier state and it shows.
The current patch, and the previous one too were remarkable for balance, especially in a 3v3 tag fighter.
People don’t realize that competitive ≠ balanced. The players make the game competitive. I just think it was a terrible move for them to throw a tourny for a game that was explicitly said to not be comp, and is riddled with exploits/glitches. This game is just mechanically all over the place
What’s crazy is that I booted up Storm Connections with the boys and I actually had a better time with the game than Sparking cause some of this shit is just jank and some of the community refuses to acknowledge the game is mechanically unwell. I grew up trying to play competitive Smash but DBFZ made me fall in love with fighting games. DBFZ is the game that got my start on actually taking fighting games seriously and when I see actual flaws in Sparking Zero ppl want to say I’m just hating. I’m like no the game is actually kinda scuffed and it needs adjustments. All I’m saying is some of these Sparking Zero players wouldn’t last a day playing against UMVC3 Morridoom or Zero May Cry if they think some of these players “cheese”
Talk to them
I find it funny how this take gets overshadowed by the amount of “iTs sUppOseD tO bE uNbALanCeD” people on social media. Like damn is it so hard to make a game that just “makes sense” to play. Like i dont care about e-sports bro i want the game to be fun not cancerous💔💔💔
@@doncinati7644 exactly. Storm Connections HAVE LITERAL GODS IN THE GAME, yet while there is jank gameplay at times, most of the stuff in the game mechanically works as intended while keeping the core gameplay intact. Kaguya can literally change the layout of the map, does it break the games core mechanics, no it doesnt. It’s just a lot of folks want to have fun but not lose themselves to brain rot when the game doesn’t work as it’s designed.
The problem is people making a not competitive game competitive (arena/party games), when there are exactly games made to be competitive (2d/3d fighting games) but they skip those and then act super ''sweaty'' like they complain about those other games on their not serious games instead lol.
You cant tell them shit
It's because they see tekken and street fighter players who have thousands of hours of time into those games who have been playing for many years and have worked super hard to get to where they're at and they wanna get to the same level of recognition with a game that takes no where near the same amount of skill and time to get good at.
This is why we need a modern day Gundam versus port
7:28 wtf sajam jumpscare
I'm not even sure why ppl WANT this game to be competitive since it was never supposed to be. They'd have to strip out so much to make it fair.
Like the Androids have Ki Dash stalling, right? Let's say they patch out their infinite Ki or nerf dashing, cool.
Next, what about instant spark, super armor, instant transmission defense, fusion to bypass character cost, transformations to bypass character cost, the warp wars minigame, and so on, all of these are also broken mechanics. At some point it's not even the same game anymore lol
Make community rules to make your game competitive or keep pressing for patches, either way stop saying this game is competitively viable or it belongs at EVO
Literally no one asked for instant spark or infinite stalling. Literally just take out every single thing that makes the game anti engagement. It doesn't need to be competitive it needs to be playable..
All this talk of glaze, and all I want are some Krispy Kremes, Sparking! ZERO be damned.
Using Dragon Ball The Breakers tactics on Sparking zero is wild.
Why is bro so wise about this in particular. Like this is educational but also useless. Profound and timeless.
This is my curse
Nostalgia is an powerfull drug. This game clearly focuses on the multiplayer aspect.
Where is all the singleplayer content that backs up your claim that this is an casual ps2 game.
Appreciate the Viewtiful Joe gameplay awesome game and I would love to see it come back
5:08 Thank you!!! It's like people never played a fighting game before. Most people leave within the first few months with few exceptions. Like if friggin Xrd or CF got 13k people playing daily the AFGC community would be rejoicing right now.
I personally enjoy Sparking Zero and always found the dooming to be over dramatic. However, if there was one thing I would fix is supporting more local multiplayer options. Open up more stages with a drop in visual fidelity, maybe a multi-monitor mode so people with 2 monitors and a strong enough PC could do versus on them. A 4 player battle option could be fun.
Sparking Zero is how i wanted the sequel to FighterZ to be (minus the fodder characters and excessive weaker forms thrust into SZ) Its a shame its an arena fighter imo. Can't beat a classic fighting game.
"It WAS" 🤣
I mean, its still a good game.
Yeah its unbalanced but that doesnt mean its not good.
I do think its unfair to say the Tenkaichi series doesnt have any depth at all, because it does have more than fgc heads say it does.
With a worldwide esports event, a ranked mode and almost no singleplayer content, the developers sure wanted to be competitive.
Mario party is the most ridiculous comparison ever. Does it even have an online mode?
This is a sure case of insanity. He does not know he is the delusional one..
Budokai 1 was my introduction to dragonball, absolutely life changing. That being said everyone my age glazing the SZ before it came out had me feeling like Mob Psycho when the entire town got possessed by the broccoli cult. What do you mean we're trying to host tournaments for money for the game where Broly is allowed to not have to flinch from any melee attacks? Where the androids and cell simply don't have to charge? You're wanting me to compete in a game so unbalanced it's using perceived character strength as it's primary design philosophy? Oh hell naw I'd rather run down to the casino and mash the boomer buttons.
The honey moon phase is over
These people would rather unironically try to make naruto storm and sparking zero competitive before booting up gundam EXVS
make it make sense man
Hey wait a minute !!! I’m 29 and I didn’t get the game 😂😂😂
Mario party at Evo tho …. 👀
"Goku is clearly stronger than Yajirombe in this competitive game."
Games like this the competitive scene has to come together and establish a rule set similar to older smash games
or...they could just play and enjoy the game for what it is, take patches etc and play for fun
I contributed to a guide on GameFAQs for Budokai Tenkaichi 1 back in the day and will stan for merits exist in all kinds of fighters but even in 00s, I felt like things were a bit off for being a serious title in part due to experiencing BT3 online on the Wii and also seeing what other series had done (Gundam Vs and Clash of Ninja).
Unfortunately people are too loyal to brands over quality AND got overly hyped as if Spike Chunsoft must have gotten everything right just because the roster was comparable to BT3.
I'll still play it with my nephew at least.
Exactly. And playing with cousin is fine! It's an okay game to chill out and mash on
MAYBE the ps2 and wii shouldn't have been cracked as hell.
true lol
PS2 the goat. wii was aight in the end
nah see i think the people who thought this game could be competitively viable just played budokai and the tenkaichi games when they were 8 and never went back to them again. those games are an unbalanced mess and it didn't take a genius to see that
thats basically what im saying bro
Remember; Gundam: Extreme Vs. is an exception to the arena-fighter rule. That shit is lightning in a bottle.
Lets focus on rules not exceptions
As someone who was born in 95.... yeah i got a bias for 98 - 04 games.. but these dbsz fans are trippin.
thats all im saying. just be reasonable!
I'm 27, grown real pessimistic about "remasters, rereleases, re-whatever" and had a lot of fun with the game in the first few weeks playing with my friends. Of course I noticed some things I didn't quite like but right now I think the game just needs some slight system adjustments with the vanishing, Z-Counter and lock on system. In my opinion the previous games did those a bit better at least in terms of gameplay flow. Other than that, yeah people are gonna be locusts and consume the game in less than a month with all the betas, journalist previews and early access you have the wiki up and running on day one. Information is just gathered and shared in such a short amount of time that people will optimize the fun out of every game that releases. You have to be able to make your own fun to get enjoyment out of them nowadays but that's just my 2 cents.
Ngl i wanted some competitive scene solely for the fact just TO SEE how it COULD be played on a higher level than i ever could reach & im not surprised. Ppl will complain but Im just happy i managed to live and see a modern 4k entry in my favorite db game series that i accepted for years was dead
Zoomer fgc guy here, no disagreements whatsoever and I very much enjoyed sparking zero. Buuuuuuut, Budokai 3 and infinite world are some of the most slept on fighting games ever. Please look up combo videos or competitive matches for those games because it’s some crazy shit. I swear I’m not biased 😅
I was always a bigger fan of the budokai games because they were more of a traditional fighter, and even then I wouldn't suggest it for EVO.
Sparking takes more thought than Xenoverse to play so i got what I want
This is what dragon ball has always been, this is the type of game you are playing for a while, stop, watch some dragon ball one day and say, damn let me hop on sparking Zero and have a blast playing