This might sound a silly question but im trying to get my head around it but the reason for the taking the width of half the truss, is that because you've placed the end double truss half the width of the truss forward for the true triangulation point at the apex of the roof is that why you take 17mm off the crown rafter? Cheers
Yes FG👍The true, centre line of the common truss, hips and crown rafter is in the centre of the timbers and its as important to allow for this when setting back the last common rafter/truss from the hip end wall plate, as it is to deduct half of the common rafter/truss thickness of the end common/crown rafter👊You got it bud😎Cheers Del
Fantastic job. I would have cut off the plate ends and hip feet as soon as you knew you'd got the hips right before you nailed them. I'm lazy. You use a level like I do. It's the truth. Brilliant work sir.
Don't stop these videos. I'm going on my own next year and these are brilliant tips and tricks to know. Also nice to see how someone else does things on very similar work to mine
A mention on the TC’s channel..🙌🏻🙌🏻. 🙏. Next year no more working in the rain.. Very nice neat work Del, and great camera shots of the hip’s birdsmouth and explanation.👏🏻👏🏻 ☕️🥐
Hi Dan🤩All I kept thinking, as I was about to stop working in the rain, was, what would Dan be doing if Roger was filming😅and I had my answer😝 I thought my videoing days were over, as I literally, dropped my camera in a bucket with water in the bottom, and it stopped working😵 I don't make New Year's Resolutions anymore, as I can never stick to them🤪 Looking forward to seeing more videos of you working in the rain next year bud🤣 Thanks for watching mate😎Cheers Del
So the lenght of your wall plate is determined how far back you place your first truss.say you wanted it 4m you would place the 1st truss 2m from wall plate
Hi there🖐No, it's not as simple as that as there are other determining factors such as span, pitch but more importantly, how high the plate height is on the drawing👍Cheers Del
Hi Jason🖐I'm pressuring you're in the US, and wondering why its called a Boston hip over there🤔It's commonly referred to a 'barn hip' over here purely as they were commonly used on barn roofs👍I also prefer cut roofing, but most of the projects I seem to work on go for trusses🫡 Great comment and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Hi Del, Thanks for sharing another informative video. I noticed on one of your reply comments about today's tradesmen not being deemed worthy, I can tell you a story of what happened to my self while in conversation with a youngster a while back he asked me what i did for a living and I replied I am a Carpenter & Joiner he replied why do you work in such a mundane job, after holding back from giving him a smack in the mouth I asked where he sleeps at night and he replied well in a house in bed I then said do you get wet when it rains and he said no we have a roof well! i replied aren't you lucky who do you think puts a roof on a house and keeps you dry it's Carpenters so thanks to people like me that you have no respect for you have a roof over your head END OF CONVERSATION.
Hi Peter. Firstly, well done for restraining yourself from giving someone a smack in the mouth👊 Yeah, you are quite right about the importance of tradesmen in the construction industry, and, ultimately EVERYONE lives under a roof, and most people work under one, not to mention receiving medical treatments, entertainment, and shopping under one👍Super comment, and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I must admit you pretty much lost me at +17! 😃 But it was great to see it all coming together so well in the end. A lot of knowledge and experience goes into doing a roof, none of which I have. Good to see another long video Del. 👍🏼
Hi Simon🖐Appreciate you great comment, and I was debating whether to put the video in two parts as its quite long, but I thought it would probably make more sense to have it all in one go🤩Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Think you did a great job Del always hated them myself for the amount of work that goes into one don’t think they look that good especially the gutter details. 👍
Great point Mark👊You either need a downpipe on the gable or a nasty collection of downpipe fittings to get the water round onto the roof tiles😬Thanks for watching😎Have a great weekend👍
The barn hip or as we often called them a flying hip. Quite a common feature in UK not one I see in Oz. Coming from Kent we used to do a twist to the flying hip by doing what is known as a Kent Cob at the top. Basically a small gable end. When you are tiling with Old Kent's or plain tiles and not those hideous big concretes like that job you can run your bonnets up the hip and do some nice decorative feature on the upstand. I used to set out my hip height for the brickie very similar to you but with probably less maths. String line. Blocks of wood. Long straight edge and a level. Never done one with trusses though only cut and pitch. Once I built mine I used to do the tiling as well so only had myself to blame if it was wrong.
Hi Dave. The Kent Cob sounds lovely 😍 (in plain tiles and bonnets, as you say). Is that basically the same as a little Dutch hip? I've never done one as you describe, bit I bet it looks really nice🤩I really love to see an interesting roof line rather than just boring old gable end to gable end, and also love plain tiles, slate and a bit of thatch👍Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Hi Dell sort of but not quite. I normally associate a Dutch hip or Dutch gable as coming off a full hip end. These are very common in Oz as a feature. The Kent Cob is a small version of this yes but it comes off a flying hip not a full hip so looks a bit different.
Hi Andy🖐I've actually had a hand for the bulk of the roof, (a rare and special treat for me), but I just cut this hipped end on my own as its not really a two man job👍Thanks for watching mate and hope you have a nice weekend😎Cheers Del
Great work Del. Theres not too many of us left !!!🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 i used to love slagging the apprentice chippes putting up trusses, by telling them they were plastic carpenters 😂😂. This is where they do their learning, cutying in hips and valleys on a truss roof. You can always hear them going quite. Mind yourself lifting those truses up by hand thats what telehandlers are for. 🚜🚜🚜🚜 wasnt it McAlpines who said ''we dont hire old men, we make em" keep safe. Great work as usual 👍🇮🇪🇮🇪🔨🔨🔨
Hi Gerrard🖐Great comment and I remember, as a young appreciate carpenter, feeling absolutely lost trying to get my head around hand cut roofs😵It's ironic now that I feel roofing is a very strong part of my game, and more complex ones really get the juices flowing🤩Trussed roofs are a fact of life when you're mainly working for new build developers, but a lot I do still have lots of traditional hand cut elements in them, so still nice and interesting 🤩Thanks for watching bud, and have a nice weekend 😎 Cheers Del
Great watching the craftsman at work...even better when the plan comes together as you want it. Its not something that would attempt but still appreciate the work and theory that you put into it.
Hi Arthur. 🖐 I didn't realise how exited I was whilst doing this hipped gable until I was editing the video🥳It had been quite a stressful start to the roof, with the poor weather, so I was just pleased to get it done👊Thanks for kind comment, and for watching😎Have a great weekend👍
Another good job. Experience is key. People don't realise the geometry involved and maths In carpentry.. especially roof structures. And the skill comes in at getting over them descrepensies. You nailed it . Sun came out in the end to. ☀️🔨😀 Woohoo.
Hi Billal 🖐I suppose, after years of learning and practice doing roofing, you can forget that it can be quite complicated😆 It was nice to see a bit of sun in the end bud, and I think that's why I was so happy with it😎Thanks for watching and your comment🤩Cheers Del
Nice one. My theory and I hope I explain it correctly so you understand. If I'm hand cutting a roof I overcut the ridge. Plumb across from the barn hip to my nearest common. Mark the plumb cut, this will determine my rafter length for my barn end. Go and cut, and once it is level to my over-cut ridge then it will give me my correct ridge length.. That's the tricky part done
Got my head around most of the maths in the end, liked the tips with your height above plate block and the top block to hook your tape onto, along with the use of a string line. Great video as always TC you'll have to get Dan Cox out with you on the next roof that would be a classic combination.👍👍👍
Hi Kevin🖐I know a lot of it can be tricky to follow if you're not used to doing it regularly😵I'm in contact with Dan, and am hoping to meet up with him soon foe, at the very least, chat about our trade👊Thanks for your comment bud and for watching😎Cheers Del
That is a complicated old roof that Del , I think it’s given me a headache trying to understand it . 🤯. You’ve made a lovely job of it 👌🏼. Quick question that slim line nail gun you were using , where do the nails and gas go in 🔨🤔🤣🤣🧱👍🏽
Great stuff mate, its lovely when things drop in and line up!! Have a great Christmas holiday, I'm hoping to finish on Friday which isnt going to happen. Haha. P.s we say "mint" nowadays in the North East where you say Lush. Both great.
Hi J🖐It's great reading your comment and I love the fact that I/we can share the little things, and even words, that we do/say differently here in these comments🤩Take it easy pal😎Cheers Del
Hi Alf🖐I actually started my apprenticeship as a cabinet maker, and made some great joinery items, and am always amazed at the wonderful things that professional joiners make🤩Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
del quick question ? have you ever come across the terms " boneing through door linings / frames " ? just seeing if it was a term implied anywhere else
Hi David. I've not heard of that term bud, but I use the term 'winding in' door linings which looking across both legs to make sure they are in line or 'wind' with each other👍
Brilliant watch, I can confidently cut a hipped roof but I have never done it in truss form, learnt a lot of the one video and I much prefer your method of working out!
Del that's brilliantly explained. I admit I haven't done many short hips or Dutch hips some call them here 🇮🇪. I found them head scratching. As to get plate height. Your way had gave me great ideas 👌. Your lucky with the trusses being good as the heights on the hip were spot on. Your hips to the ridge were perfect. It's gas how the hips need tweaking , I suppose we definitely don't want them cut short 🤣. Your reaction to your second hip fitting was great, I learned off a chippy that when the hip went in perfect the first time used to say to me Paul that's a thing of beauty 😁,its so satisfying. And 5mm off a different in your hips is nothing. Very well done and a great video. Your top class del 👏.
Hi Paul🖐It's lovely reading your comment and appreciate your kind words🤩It's funny now to think, that I struggled for so long with setting out and cutting hips when I was younger, yet now, I They are one of my favourite parts of roofing👊Have a nice weekend bud 😎Cheers Del
Once again making a hard job look simple . True pro.👏 👍 Especially the use of string lines and going for the hammer not the gun.😉😉😁 Respect to the bricky for the roof plate to ensure level and square makes that job just that bit easier .😃😃😃👍 Can't wait to see the top out ceremony and the tree or flag on top. Tradition Tradition...🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
Hi Tim🖐 I try and keep it oldskool when I can🔨🪚🤟Now I've got the pressure of a topping out ceremony😬Probably just knock of early at the end of next week and go down the pub for a few scoups🍻 Thanks for watching bud, and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Nice job Mr T.C....I like your style and methods you use.. I set the plate height slightly differently..(the rest of what you did, I pretty much do the same)..I use the (r.p.m.r) Rise per metre run.. and, (L.p.m.r.) Length per metre run method which is really accurate and quick. All you need to do is measure from outside of blockwork .. to face of girder truss to give you the run of that centre common rafter, then X that run distance 1479 by the (rpmr)?.. you never ever mentioned the pitch of that roof so, I can't work out exactly the (rpmr) for your particular roof.. To me it looks about 40° ..in which case it would have a 840mm rpmr So..1479 x 840 = 1242 + rise above plate ? 70mm ? guessing.. So..we now have 1242 + 70 = 1312 Now all you have to do is measure 1312 down from the top shoulder line on the girder truss and, level across to establish the right height for the plate..done.. I hope it makes sense..because it really is quick to find that plate height.. A lot of different roads lead to Rome as they say..just my way of doing things.. Calling it a day at the end of this year..been a carpenter & joiner, cabinet maker since 1975..time to start taking things a little easier!! Keep up the good work Antonio
Hi Antonio👍Thanks for your amazing comment, and I absolutely understand your calculation method, and I really should start doing it this way more, as like yourself, lots of guys say its super quick and accurate. I suppose I'm just a bit set in my ways and was taught mostly doing old roofs on wonkey old buildings and just direct measured everything👊Thanks for watching my friend and take care😎Cheers Del
I like both this solution and Del's (just don't forget to give the bricky your measurement LESS the plate material for plate height because he'll be blocking/bricking up to the underside of the plate, NOT to the underside of the bird's mouth). A further solution would be to measure/scale off the drawing or physically (always better if possible) measure the run of the hipped end as Del. did, preferably (for me) to the outside of the eventual plate (or outside of blockwork/brickwork that brickies have so far got to). Then, plumb down from the centre of the last full truss (as Del did) BUT to the underside of the bottom chord and measure this run for the hipped end along the bottom chord in the direction of the existing plate. Now, plumb up to the outside edge of the top chord of the truss. Finally, measure down again the H.A.P. and you have your [top of] plate height. The length of the crown rafter (king common in US) will be the distance from the apex of the last main truss to the plumb mark on the outside of the top chord that you've just measured MINUS half the thickness of the truss measured at 90 degrees to the crown's top plumb cut. I prefer Del's direct measuring solutions, as many chippies do, because a) you don't need a ready reckoner or a phone app and b) you can be 100% sure that everything will fit.
Hi Gary🤩I think I was excited on this day because the job up till that point had been a little stressful due to poor weather😩so when the sun came out and it all came together nicely, it put me in a really good mood🤩Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
Hi Andrew🖐I really didn't know how excitable I am at work until I started filming myself🤪 Its always cool when a hip/valley rafter drops in right first time👊Thanks for watching and have a great weekend😎Cheers Del
I'd been waiting for this since you anounced you'd be doing this layout video a while back! A few months too late for my first stab at a barn end on my self-build though. :( It really simlifies something I struggled with. Nice work.
Hi Nick🖐I was all lined up to do a video on this ages ago, but the roof design changed, so I couldn't do it😬Sorry this video was not done in time for your roof, but I hope it may have helped you for next time🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Del that was a fantastic effort sorry I lost you two minutes in think its time to sell the tools and start something else instead best regards from the failed joiner from county down
Hi Ivan🖐I know it can be tricky to follow, and it took me years to get my head around roofing, and I'm still learning today😆Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Hi jlewis 🤩 I know its not a glamorous setting, but, as you say, this is real world, on site roofing and the roofers are/were coming the following week😬Thanks for your comment bud, and for watching😎Cheers Del
Quick tip Del when space on scaffolding is small rather then taking your horses up put a couple of horizontal legs out from rafters and a couple of up right’s up from plate to form a cutting bench 👍
Great tip Mark👊I have done what you suggest on occasion, but I always seem to be in a rush when doing these kind of jobs, so don't really feel like I have time to get, 'set up', properly😩Appreciate you watching and hope you have a nice weekend😎Cheers Del
Hi Rob👊Yeah, I always think its really cool to know that roofs have been cut in a similar way to this for hundreds of years🤩Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
Hi Barry. Yes, the hips are dropped so that their outer edges run in the rafter/roof plain. But I don't think of them as being dropped as I never work from the true, mathematical center point of the hip. I get lost when I try and follow how my American cousins set out from the true hip center line, and then have to work out the drop😖In effect, the way I do it is actually creating a mini 45degree roof the thickness of the hip as the roof turns the corner👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Great one Del , well explained when you stop and think about it it's straight forward , always a bit wary of cutting hips and valley's , it's a keeper 👍☘️🇮🇪👋😁 hope you dried out 🤟
Great to have you watching John🤩(as always🤗) Yeah, the start of this job was a wet one, and I think that's why I was so happy completing the hipped end👊 Thanks for your comment mate 😀 Cheers Del
Interesting to see the valley board detail on that as I had a very similar job this summer and had a proper head scratching moment doing the recessed valley boards for fibreglass valleys. I struggled with that against the lay boards. Great work pal
Hi Jony. I put the 4x2 noggins in at 12 inches from the center of the valley as this allows the roofers to run battens up the edge of their fibre glass tray, and also gives something to fix the end of the battens that the tiles sit on👍 Cheers Del
Hi Dez. Ah, I don't think that's correct bud😬 A Barn End, or hipped gable is when you have a small hipped roof section on top of a gable end. (hipped gable). A Dutch Hip is the opposite. It is a small gable gable on the top of a hipped end. (I call it a gabled hip end) I'm pretty sure that's right👊Thanks for watching mate😎Cheers Del
Yeah like a hip end. The ones I am doing just now have a raised ceiling in them very complex. Bit of a head ache. I use the same string line system you use to cut the rafter ends.
I just take of the timber work TN🤩Thanks for watching bud, and I just bought a laser measure after your suggestion that they are useful bits of kit👊I'll let you know how I get on with it👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Stevie Wonder with a trowel! Feckin snots everywhere, 🙄 The carpentry side of the job was spot on as always T.C. Did you get the rubberized green dot version?
@@TheToolnut Hi TN. I got the Bosch GLM 50c and its got a red dot👊I went for it, partly because you and a few others rate Bosch, but also because of the price, accuracy and features like the inclinometer and Bosch app. I think it could have some real benefits for me in some of my jobs👍
@@thetallcarpenter That's the one I have I think T.C, 👍 They are very handy and I'm sure with some imagination even more uses could be found for it, 👍🔨🇮🇪
some great isolation vids del, dont often get the time to watch the longer vids you have done. ive not done any roofing in a while bar one lean too roof last year. but watching what you and some others have done has cleared a lot up for me. so looking forward to getting some more to do soon
Hi Paul🖐I find roofing really interesting, and the more you do, the more you learn👍Thanks for watching this longer video bud, as I know time can be precious for all of us😎Great comment👊Cheers Del
@@paulfinnonjoinery Unfortunately I had the Alpha variant of Covid, so felt like a week long hangover😩and then got this weird cold/flu type thing after that🤬I'm pretty fit and healthy, so no real drama, just annoying to have it over Christmas😖Thanks for your messages and for watching some of my videos🤩and glad you didn't have any issues with the virus🤗Cheers Del
It reminded me of the old boys, cutting roofs, stairs etc. Just using a hand saw. It’s like a lot of good work, you have to know what you’re doing, but you’ve also got to overcome the mess others have left behind them!! I’m a Plumber & sadly the Joiners On Sites are now the worst Tradesmen I’ve ever seen in my long career, nothing is Plumb, straight or level. So it’s so refreshing to see a real craftsman at work. Thanks for sharing Del👍👍👍👍
Hi FB🖐To be honest, much of the construction sector is in a sorry old state in terms of contientuos, skilled tradesmen that, not only have pride in their own work, but also think about the job as a whole and the other trades they have to work in with😬 This is no surprise when the sector is run from the wrong end of the business, as in the boardroom and the shareholders, and the maximisation of profit comes before all else including proper investment in the labour force rather than trying to get everything done at rock bottom prices. The old phrase has never been more true, 'you pay peanuts, you get monkeys'. Great comment mate, and sadly, perfectly correct😔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter There’s simply no Joiners/Carpenters around, plenty ‘Hammerhands’. Where’s the Tradesmen gone??!! No one takes any pride in the job, certainly on New Builds!! The young kids are not interested in learning. I say to to our apprentice Plumbers “take pride in your work, even if it’ll never be seen again & covered in Plasterboard”. “Even if Pipes are covered with pipe insulation, if you know you’ve clipped it, it’s level & straight, you can go home happy”. I know I’m being an old fart, but Gawd knows what the trade will be like in 20years!!
@@TheDickPuller We could back and forward about this all day I,m sure FB😖 Becoming a tradesmen in todays construction sector is not deemed as worthy a career like it used to be 20/30 years ago. Our societies attidude towards manual labour has changed, and together with poorer rates of pay on bigger sites, it's no wonder we are seeing all the things we are😪 Great comment again mate🤩
This might sound a silly question but im trying to get my head around it but the reason for the taking the width of half the truss, is that because you've placed the end double truss half the width of the truss forward for the true triangulation point at the apex of the roof is that why you take 17mm off the crown rafter?
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Yes FG👍The true, centre line of the common truss, hips and crown rafter is in the centre of the timbers and its as important to allow for this when setting back the last common rafter/truss from the hip end wall plate, as it is to deduct half of the common rafter/truss thickness of the end common/crown rafter👊You got it bud😎Cheers Del
Fantastic job. I would have cut off the plate ends and hip feet as soon as you knew you'd got the hips right before you nailed them. I'm lazy. You use a level like I do. It's the truth. Brilliant work sir.
Hi there🖐Yeah, not cutting those plates caught me out a little😬It's great that we do things similar🤩Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Don't stop these videos. I'm going on my own next year and these are brilliant tips and tricks to know. Also nice to see how someone else does things on very similar work to mine
Hi Ryan🖐Good luck going on you own, and if any of my videos help, even in the slightest, then that's awesome🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
A mention on the TC’s channel..🙌🏻🙌🏻. 🙏. Next year no more working in the rain..
Very nice neat work Del, and great camera shots of the hip’s birdsmouth and explanation.👏🏻👏🏻
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Hi Dan🤩All I kept thinking, as I was about to stop working in the rain, was, what would Dan be doing if Roger was filming😅and I had my answer😝 I thought my videoing days were over, as I literally, dropped my camera in a bucket with water in the bottom, and it stopped working😵 I don't make New Year's Resolutions anymore, as I can never stick to them🤪 Looking forward to seeing more videos of you working in the rain next year bud🤣 Thanks for watching mate😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Roger makes me do it..,😂.
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@@Ultimate-roofing-square. 😵😝
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So the lenght of your wall plate is determined how far back you place your first truss.say you wanted it 4m you would place the 1st truss 2m from wall plate
Hi there🖐No, it's not as simple as that as there are other determining factors such as span, pitch but more importantly, how high the plate height is on the drawing👍Cheers Del
It's called a Boston hip a small hip on a gable end
I am more of a hand cut live roofs guy my self but like to see how others build
Nice job
Hi Jason🖐I'm pressuring you're in the US, and wondering why its called a Boston hip over there🤔It's commonly referred to a 'barn hip' over here purely as they were commonly used on barn roofs👍I also prefer cut roofing, but most of the projects I seem to work on go for trusses🫡 Great comment and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Hi Del, Thanks for sharing another informative video. I noticed on one of your reply comments about today's tradesmen not being deemed worthy, I can tell you a story of what happened to my self while in conversation with a youngster a while back he asked me what i did for a living and I replied I am a Carpenter & Joiner he replied why do you work in such a mundane job, after holding back from giving him a smack in the mouth I asked where he sleeps at night and he replied well in a house in bed I then said do you get wet when it rains and he said no we have a roof well! i replied aren't you lucky who do you think puts a roof on a house and keeps you dry it's Carpenters so thanks to people like me that you have no respect for you have a roof over your head END OF CONVERSATION.
Hi Peter. Firstly, well done for restraining yourself from giving someone a smack in the mouth👊 Yeah, you are quite right about the importance of tradesmen in the construction industry, and, ultimately EVERYONE lives under a roof, and most people work under one, not to mention receiving medical treatments, entertainment, and shopping under one👍Super comment, and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
l'm 79 now, but all this really takes me back, but it was a real sod in the winters!
Hi Jeffery🖐Glad to have you watching🤩and I hope you don't miss climbing around on roofs in crap weather too much😝Cheers Del
I must admit you pretty much lost me at +17! 😃 But it was great to see it all coming together so well in the end. A lot of knowledge and experience goes into doing a roof, none of which I have. Good to see another long video Del. 👍🏼
Hi Simon🖐Appreciate you great comment, and I was debating whether to put the video in two parts as its quite long, but I thought it would probably make more sense to have it all in one go🤩Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Nice plumb cuts on the last hip Del! Stay sniffy! Lol
I try my best J😆Cheers fella
Think you did a great job Del always hated them myself for the amount of work that goes into one don’t think they look that good especially the gutter details. 👍
Great point Mark👊You either need a downpipe on the gable or a nasty collection of downpipe fittings to get the water round onto the roof tiles😬Thanks for watching😎Have a great weekend👍
The barn hip or as we often called them a flying hip. Quite a common feature in UK not one I see in Oz. Coming from Kent we used to do a twist to the flying hip by doing what is known as a Kent Cob at the top. Basically a small gable end. When you are tiling with Old Kent's or plain tiles and not those hideous big concretes like that job you can run your bonnets up the hip and do some nice decorative feature on the upstand. I used to set out my hip height for the brickie very similar to you but with probably less maths. String line. Blocks of wood. Long straight edge and a level. Never done one with trusses though only cut and pitch. Once I built mine I used to do the tiling as well so only had myself to blame if it was wrong.
Hi Dave. The Kent Cob sounds lovely 😍 (in plain tiles and bonnets, as you say). Is that basically the same as a little Dutch hip? I've never done one as you describe, bit I bet it looks really nice🤩I really love to see an interesting roof line rather than just boring old gable end to gable end, and also love plain tiles, slate and a bit of thatch👍Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Hi Dell sort of but not quite. I normally associate a Dutch hip or Dutch gable as coming off a full hip end. These are very common in Oz as a feature. The Kent Cob is a small version of this yes but it comes off a flying hip not a full hip so looks a bit different.
@@davetaylor4741 I get you Dave and I'm going to Google the Kent Cob,xand see what I can find👊Cheers
Nice one Del, lot of work in them and hard on your own, another pair of hands goes a long way 👍👌
Hi Andy🖐I've actually had a hand for the bulk of the roof, (a rare and special treat for me), but I just cut this hipped end on my own as its not really a two man job👍Thanks for watching mate and hope you have a nice weekend😎Cheers Del
Great work Del. Theres not too many of us left !!!🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 i used to love slagging the apprentice chippes putting up trusses, by telling them they were plastic carpenters 😂😂. This is where they do their learning, cutying in hips and valleys on a truss roof. You can always hear them going quite. Mind yourself lifting those truses up by hand thats what telehandlers are for. 🚜🚜🚜🚜 wasnt it McAlpines who said ''we dont hire old men, we make em" keep safe. Great work as usual 👍🇮🇪🇮🇪🔨🔨🔨
Hi Gerrard🖐Great comment and I remember, as a young appreciate carpenter, feeling absolutely lost trying to get my head around hand cut roofs😵It's ironic now that I feel roofing is a very strong part of my game, and more complex ones really get the juices flowing🤩Trussed roofs are a fact of life when you're mainly working for new build developers, but a lot I do still have lots of traditional hand cut elements in them, so still nice and interesting 🤩Thanks for watching bud, and have a nice weekend 😎 Cheers Del
Great watching the craftsman at work...even better when the plan comes together as you want it. Its not something that would attempt but still appreciate the work and theory that you put into it.
Hi Arthur. 🖐 I didn't realise how exited I was whilst doing this hipped gable until I was editing the video🥳It had been quite a stressful start to the roof, with the poor weather, so I was just pleased to get it done👊Thanks for kind comment, and for watching😎Have a great weekend👍
Another good job. Experience is key.
People don't realise the geometry involved and maths In carpentry.. especially roof structures.
And the skill comes in at getting over them descrepensies.
You nailed it . Sun came out in the end to. ☀️🔨😀 Woohoo.
Hi Billal 🖐I suppose, after years of learning and practice doing roofing, you can forget that it can be quite complicated😆 It was nice to see a bit of sun in the end bud, and I think that's why I was so happy with it😎Thanks for watching and your comment🤩Cheers Del
Nice one. My theory and I hope I explain it correctly so you understand. If I'm hand cutting a roof I overcut the ridge. Plumb across from the barn hip to my nearest common. Mark the plumb cut, this will determine my rafter length for my barn end. Go and cut, and once it is level to my over-cut ridge then it will give me my correct ridge length.. That's the tricky part done
Hi Jo🤩 I get exactly what you're explaining and it is very simple👍Appreciate you adding your comment, and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Got my head around most of the maths in the end, liked the tips with your height above plate block and the top block to hook your tape onto, along with the use of a string line. Great video as always TC you'll have to get Dan Cox out with you on the next roof that would be a classic combination.👍👍👍
Hi Kevin🖐I know a lot of it can be tricky to follow if you're not used to doing it regularly😵I'm in contact with Dan, and am hoping to meet up with him soon foe, at the very least, chat about our trade👊Thanks for your comment bud and for watching😎Cheers Del
That is a complicated old roof that Del , I think it’s given me a headache trying to understand it . 🤯.
You’ve made a lovely job of it 👌🏼.
Quick question that slim line nail gun you were using , where do the nails and gas go in 🔨🤔🤣🤣🧱👍🏽
Hi Andy🤟I was using one of the very first cordless nailers in this video🔨🔨🤪Thanks for watching mate😎and hope you have a nice break over Christmas 🍻🍻
@@thetallcarpenter you too pal 🧱👍🏼
what are we going to do when blokes like you retire 🤦♂️
Hi David🖐Hopefully watch how to do it on RUclips🤗Have a great weekend bud and thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Great stuff mate, its lovely when things drop in and line up!! Have a great Christmas holiday, I'm hoping to finish on Friday which isnt going to happen. Haha. P.s we say "mint" nowadays in the North East where you say Lush. Both great.
Hi J🖐It's great reading your comment and I love the fact that I/we can share the little things, and even words, that we do/say differently here in these comments🤩Take it easy pal😎Cheers Del
The local collage should snap you up, the lads would learn more off you in a week than a year on the books,
I contacted ALL of my local colleges to offer my help, and didn't get a single reply😬It's a very closed book I'm afraid😕Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter i can belive it. They are all private companies now and its just a treadmill, they get paid pass or fail.
@@shizzleinthenizzle Yep, you're spot on, and no wonder we're suffering with a skills shortage😬Cheers bud
been a cabinet maker for 50 years I could make you the finest piece of furniture you've ever seen ask me to pitch a roof I wouldn't have a Scooby
Hi Alf🖐I actually started my apprenticeship as a cabinet maker, and made some great joinery items, and am always amazed at the wonderful things that professional joiners make🤩Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
we call them swiss hips
Nice one Paul👊I know they get called different things depending where you're from🤩Cheers Del
del quick question ? have you ever come across the terms " boneing through door linings / frames " ? just seeing if it was a term implied anywhere else
Hi David. I've not heard of that term bud, but I use the term 'winding in' door linings which looking across both legs to make sure they are in line or 'wind' with each other👍
Brilliant watch, I can confidently cut a hipped roof but I have never done it in truss form, learnt a lot of the one video and I much prefer your method of working out!
I'm glad you found the video interesting Daniel👍as it takes a bit of following🤯Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Del that's brilliantly explained. I admit I haven't done many short hips or Dutch hips some call them here 🇮🇪. I found them head scratching. As to get plate height. Your way had gave me great ideas 👌. Your lucky with the trusses being good as the heights on the hip were spot on. Your hips to the ridge were perfect. It's gas how the hips need tweaking , I suppose we definitely don't want them cut short 🤣. Your reaction to your second hip fitting was great, I learned off a chippy that when the hip went in perfect the first time used to say to me Paul that's a thing of beauty 😁,its so satisfying. And 5mm off a different in your hips is nothing. Very well done and a great video. Your top class del 👏.
Hi Paul🖐It's lovely reading your comment and appreciate your kind words🤩It's funny now to think, that I struggled for so long with setting out and cutting hips when I was younger, yet now, I They are one of my favourite parts of roofing👊Have a nice weekend bud 😎Cheers Del
Once again making a hard job look simple . True pro.👏 👍 Especially the use of string lines and going for the hammer not the gun.😉😉😁
Respect to the bricky for the roof plate to ensure level and square makes that job just that bit easier .😃😃😃👍
Can't wait to see the top out ceremony and the tree or flag on top. Tradition Tradition...🎄🎄🎄🎄🎄
Hi Tim🖐 I try and keep it oldskool when I can🔨🪚🤟Now I've got the pressure of a topping out ceremony😬Probably just knock of early at the end of next week and go down the pub for a few scoups🍻 Thanks for watching bud, and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Thank you very much for this video, it really helped me out today cutting a green oak roof with barn ends 👍👍
Hi SC🖐That's great bud, and really pleased you found the video helpful😎Cheers Del
Nice job Mr T.C....I like your style and methods you use..
I set the plate height slightly differently..(the rest of what you did, I pretty much do the same)..I use the (r.p.m.r) Rise per metre run.. and, (L.p.m.r.) Length per metre run method which is really accurate and quick.
All you need to do is measure from outside of blockwork .. to face of girder truss to give you the run of that centre common rafter, then X that run distance 1479 by the (rpmr)?.. you never ever mentioned the pitch of that roof so, I can't work out exactly the (rpmr) for your particular roof..
To me it looks about 40° ..in which case it would have a 840mm rpmr
So..1479 x 840 = 1242 + rise above plate ? 70mm ? guessing..
So..we now have
1242 + 70 = 1312
Now all you have to do is measure 1312 down from the top shoulder line on the girder truss and, level across to establish the right height for the plate..done..
I hope it makes sense..because it really is quick to find that plate height..
A lot of different roads lead to Rome as they say..just my way of doing things..
Calling it a day at the end of this year..been a carpenter & joiner, cabinet maker since 1975..time to start taking things a little easier!!
Keep up the good work
Antonio
Hi Antonio👍Thanks for your amazing comment, and I absolutely understand your calculation method, and I really should start doing it this way more, as like yourself, lots of guys say its super quick and accurate. I suppose I'm just a bit set in my ways and was taught mostly doing old roofs on wonkey old buildings and just direct measured everything👊Thanks for watching my friend and take care😎Cheers Del
I like both this solution and Del's (just don't forget to give the bricky your measurement LESS the plate material for plate height because he'll be blocking/bricking up to the underside of the plate, NOT to the underside of the bird's mouth).
A further solution would be to measure/scale off the drawing or physically (always better if possible) measure the run of the hipped end as Del. did, preferably (for me) to the outside of the eventual plate (or outside of blockwork/brickwork that brickies have so far got to). Then, plumb down from the centre of the last full truss (as Del did) BUT to the underside of the bottom chord and measure this run for the hipped end along the bottom chord in the direction of the existing plate. Now, plumb up to the outside edge of the top chord of the truss. Finally, measure down again the H.A.P. and you have your [top of] plate height. The length of the crown rafter (king common in US) will be the distance from the apex of the last main truss to the plumb mark on the outside of the top chord that you've just measured MINUS half the thickness of the truss measured at 90 degrees to the crown's top plumb cut.
I prefer Del's direct measuring solutions, as many chippies do, because a) you don't need a ready reckoner or a phone app and b) you can be 100% sure that everything will fit.
Love the the video and your passion for carpentry looking forward to more videos happy Christmas and a great new year Del 😀 👍
Hi Gary🤩I think I was excited on this day because the job up till that point had been a little stressful due to poor weather😩so when the sun came out and it all came together nicely, it put me in a really good mood🤩Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
Great work TC👍 love the passion and enthusiasm you show especially when the second hip went in 😂 great roofing video 👍
Hi Andrew🖐I really didn't know how excitable I am at work until I started filming myself🤪 Its always cool when a hip/valley rafter drops in right first time👊Thanks for watching and have a great weekend😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Cheers Del you too👍
@@andrewplatt 👍🤩
Really great video Buddy 🤘😎🤘
Hi Wayne🤩Thanks for watching mate and have a nice weekend 😎 Cheers Del
Great video to watch and we’ll explain by a great craftsman .Looks a cracking job .
Thanks for watching Ian🤩and I appreciate your comment😎Cheers Del
I'd been waiting for this since you anounced you'd be doing this layout video a while back! A few months too late for my first stab at a barn end on my self-build though. :( It really simlifies something I struggled with. Nice work.
Hi Nick🖐I was all lined up to do a video on this ages ago, but the roof design changed, so I couldn't do it😬Sorry this video was not done in time for your roof, but I hope it may have helped you for next time🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Del that was a fantastic effort sorry I lost you two minutes in think its time to sell the tools and start something else instead best regards from the failed joiner from county down
Hi Ivan🖐I know it can be tricky to follow, and it took me years to get my head around roofing, and I'm still learning today😆Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
brilliant informed video Tc
Thanks for watching Davie, and have a great weekend😎Cheers Del
Excellent job. Thank you for explaining it.
Have a great weekend mate 👍
Thanks for watching Tyler🤩Same backatcha mate😎
That's it del all in the setting out ..all came together great 👍👍👍👍
This one does take a little bit setting out John🤯Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Now that's a job very well done, great detail and explanation, respect to you Sir, you never to old to learn that's for sure...
Hi Errol🤩Hope you are well, and thanks, as always, for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
Great video, the best carpentry channel on RUclips!!
Blimey PJ🤩that's a very, very kind comment and means a lot as there is some other good channels out there 👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Real world carpentry, how do you do it for the money Del ? thanks for the video
Hi jlewis 🤩 I know its not a glamorous setting, but, as you say, this is real world, on site roofing and the roofers are/were coming the following week😬Thanks for your comment bud, and for watching😎Cheers Del
Quick tip Del when space on scaffolding is small rather then taking your horses up put a couple of horizontal legs out from rafters and a couple of up right’s up from plate to form a cutting bench 👍
Great tip Mark👊I have done what you suggest on occasion, but I always seem to be in a rush when doing these kind of jobs, so don't really feel like I have time to get, 'set up', properly😩Appreciate you watching and hope you have a nice weekend😎Cheers Del
Great video, century’s old knowledge alive and well and shared.👍
Hi Rob👊Yeah, I always think its really cool to know that roofs have been cut in a similar way to this for hundreds of years🤩Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
Good job as always,did you have to drop the hips for it to plain in?
Hi Barry. Yes, the hips are dropped so that their outer edges run in the rafter/roof plain. But I don't think of them as being dropped as I never work from the true, mathematical center point of the hip. I get lost when I try and follow how my American cousins set out from the true hip center line, and then have to work out the drop😖In effect, the way I do it is actually creating a mini 45degree roof the thickness of the hip as the roof turns the corner👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
class del surprised you eint got apprentice to do the running about
I think I'm to set in my ways now David to have someone train under me😬It is tougher, as I get older, doing all the running around though 😝 Cheers Del
you need some windscreen wipers for your glasses Del !, remember dude wet steel no deal.
It was the one and only time I'm ever working in the rain again Tomo 😬 Thanks for watching and have a nice weekend😎Cheers Del
Great one Del , well explained when you stop and think about it it's straight forward , always a bit wary of cutting hips and valley's , it's a keeper 👍☘️🇮🇪👋😁 hope you dried out 🤟
Great to have you watching John🤩(as always🤗) Yeah, the start of this job was a wet one, and I think that's why I was so happy completing the hipped end👊 Thanks for your comment mate 😀 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I see Dan from Skill Builder has a good 5 minutes tip on rafter length 👍
@@johnmorrissey1675 I saw that video too John, and Dan is working in the rain again😅
@@thetallcarpenter 🦆😁
Nice job Del, 🔨🪚👍
Cheers Phillip🤩Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Awesome as always pal
Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
Excellent Del top quality work again
Cheers Robert🤩It was quite a long video, so thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
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Great show del 👊👊 have to save this 🙏🤘👊
Hi John👊Appreciate you watching and glad you found it interesting 😀 Have a nice weekend 😎 Cheers Del
Very well explained Del, have a great weekend.
Thanks for watching Mark🤩Its quite a long video, but thought it would be best all in one part👍Have a great weekend😎Cheers Del
Great video Del !!!!! thanks
Cheers Michael👍Have a good weekend 😎Cheers Del
Del - It's time for a cafe' latte !
Hi Alan🖐Ah, of course it should be coffee in these modern times😆Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Interesting to see the valley board detail on that as I had a very similar job this summer and had a proper head scratching moment doing the recessed valley boards for fibreglass valleys. I struggled with that against the lay boards. Great work pal
Hi Jony. I put the 4x2 noggins in at 12 inches from the center of the valley as this allows the roofers to run battens up the edge of their fibre glass tray, and also gives something to fix the end of the battens that the tiles sit on👍 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpentergreat idea and simple. defiantly try that next time. Cheers mate keep up the great work
@@jonylevitt90 👍😎
Good skills dude 👍
Cheers Luke🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Old English guy I worked with called these a Dutch hip so I always have.
Hi Dez. Ah, I don't think that's correct bud😬 A Barn End, or hipped gable is when you have a small hipped roof section on top of a gable end. (hipped gable). A Dutch Hip is the opposite. It is a small gable gable on the top of a hipped end. (I call it a gabled hip end) I'm pretty sure that's right👊Thanks for watching mate😎Cheers Del
Yeah kool cheers Del not done one of these for 10 years.
Do full hip roofs all week on the site am on now.
@@darkviper62 Do you enjoy cutting hips Dez🤔I know it's not everyone's favourite part of roofing😵
Yeah like a hip end. The ones I am doing just now have a raised ceiling in them very complex.
Bit of a head ache.
I use the same string line system you use to cut the rafter ends.
@@darkviper62 Keep you brain working overtime then Dez 🤯Cheers Del
Top notch T.C, that gable end is a disgrace. Those masons must have been drunk when they built it!
I just take of the timber work TN🤩Thanks for watching bud, and I just bought a laser measure after your suggestion that they are useful bits of kit👊I'll let you know how I get on with it👍Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Stevie Wonder with a trowel! Feckin snots everywhere, 🙄 The carpentry side of the job was spot on as always T.C. Did you get the rubberized green dot version?
@@TheToolnut Hi TN. I got the Bosch GLM 50c and its got a red dot👊I went for it, partly because you and a few others rate Bosch, but also because of the price, accuracy and features like the inclinometer and Bosch app. I think it could have some real benefits for me in some of my jobs👍
@@thetallcarpenter That's the one I have I think T.C, 👍 They are very handy and I'm sure with some imagination even more uses could be found for it, 👍🔨🇮🇪
@@TheToolnut I'm pleased so far bud, and I'm looking forward to seeing what I can make it do🤟
Hello,you are an excellent carpenter.
Hi there🖐Thank you for watching and your generous comment🤗Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thank you
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Cheers Paddy🤩
29:09
Haha, that moment when everything comes together 😄
Nice work man
Hi Robin🖐I really appreciate you watching, especially all the way to 29 minutes🤩Thanks for your comment, and have a great weekend😎Cheers Del
some great isolation vids del, dont often get the time to watch the longer vids you have done. ive not done any roofing in a while bar one lean too roof last year. but watching what you and some others have done has cleared a lot up for me. so looking forward to getting some more to do soon
Hi Paul🖐I find roofing really interesting, and the more you do, the more you learn👍Thanks for watching this longer video bud, as I know time can be precious for all of us😎Great comment👊Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter haha i tested positive so got an unexpected week off. catch up with some of the longer vids of reent months
@@paulfinnonjoinery Unfortunately I had the Alpha variant of Covid, so felt like a week long hangover😩and then got this weird cold/flu type thing after that🤬I'm pretty fit and healthy, so no real drama, just annoying to have it over Christmas😖Thanks for your messages and for watching some of my videos🤩and glad you didn't have any issues with the virus🤗Cheers Del
It reminded me of the old boys, cutting roofs, stairs etc. Just using a hand saw.
It’s like a lot of good work, you have to know what you’re doing, but you’ve also got to overcome the mess others have left behind them!! I’m a Plumber & sadly the Joiners On Sites are now the worst Tradesmen I’ve ever seen in my long career, nothing is Plumb, straight or level.
So it’s so refreshing to see a real craftsman at work. Thanks for sharing Del👍👍👍👍
Hi FB🖐To be honest, much of the construction sector is in a sorry old state in terms of contientuos, skilled tradesmen that, not only have pride in their own work, but also think about the job as a whole and the other trades they have to work in with😬 This is no surprise when the sector is run from the wrong end of the business, as in the boardroom and the shareholders, and the maximisation of profit comes before all else including proper investment in the labour force rather than trying to get everything done at rock bottom prices. The old phrase has never been more true, 'you pay peanuts, you get monkeys'. Great comment mate, and sadly, perfectly correct😔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter There’s simply no Joiners/Carpenters around, plenty ‘Hammerhands’.
Where’s the Tradesmen gone??!! No one takes any pride in the job, certainly on New Builds!!
The young kids are not interested in learning. I say to to our apprentice Plumbers “take pride in your work, even if it’ll never be seen again & covered in Plasterboard”. “Even if Pipes are covered with pipe insulation, if you know you’ve clipped it, it’s level & straight, you can go home happy”.
I know I’m being an old fart, but Gawd knows what the trade will be like in 20years!!
@@TheDickPuller We could back and forward about this all day I,m sure FB😖 Becoming a tradesmen in todays construction sector is not deemed as worthy a career like it used to be 20/30 years ago. Our societies attidude towards manual labour has changed, and together with poorer rates of pay on bigger sites, it's no wonder we are seeing all the things we are😪 Great comment again mate🤩
I kept replying to you as FB😬Sorry, I meant FW👍
@@thetallcarpenter Oh, don’t worry TC, as the infamous Dick Puller, the course cowboy’s main critic, I get called worse!!
Keep up the good work mate👍👍