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Donkey Kong | Arcade & Atari 2600 Game Review | Episode 01
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2019
- Hey Guys, welcome to my first game review. This includes reviews for Donkey Kong arcade, the classic Atari 2600 Donkey Kong version (1982), and two new(ish) homebrews. Hope you enjoy!
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19:55 - Actually, both phrases are arcade accurate. The USA version of Donkey Kong says, "How high can you get?". The Japanese version says, "How high can you try?" They were going for the original Japanese phrasing.
Thanks for clearing that up.
I'm in the UK and I can only recall "How High Can You Try?". "Get" sounds like something a stoner would say 😆
I'm pretty sure I've seen it both ways in arcades here in the U.S.
@@BigAL68xyz Most of The bootleg versions were the Japanese / UK ones, a quirk that the UK machines had was if you climbed the first ladder on the first level and moved towards the first step facing the left and jumped right while still facing left you fell theough the floor and cleard the first level
No, it's not a Japanese vs. American thing. Early versions of Donkey Kong, both Japanese and American, say "How high can you try?" and later versions, both Japanese and American say, "How high can you get?"
Great video thanks. I never had Donkey Kong on my 2600 but I used to play it in the arcade. When the original mame came out I asked the developer where the gaps were in the first level. Turns out all those years ago I was playing a bootleg version in the arcade. Donkey Kong and Bubble Bobble are still my favourite arcade games.
As you said if those version had come out when I had had my 2600 originally it would have been amazing.
Thanks again
What an interesting and thorough video.
It's pretty crazy just how much they were able to squeeze out of that old system.
I would certainly not have thought such a graphically complex level could run that well on an Atari 2600.
There was a cartoon based off the arcade Donkey Kong. It was a part of Saturday Supercade.
Donkey Kong had 2 other series he appeared in Captain N and also the Donkey Kong Country cartoon.
The Atari VCS version is sooooooo cool. I even like the vertical scrolling aspect; it’s both an interesting innovation as well as a clever workaround. I really admire the creative ingenuity that the team put behind this version. Oh, the Gingerbread monster 😂
I personally don’t like the vertical scrolling BUT it does minimize flicker and it also shows the status bar scrolling with mario,it really shows what the 2600 is really capable off👍
Such DK versions on hardware that was designed never to do this is simply astounding.
"How high can you try", That phrase is from Arcade "Crazy Kong" IMHO, a licenced Donkey Kong variant that was extremely common in germany.
Interesting... was not aware of Crazy Kong. Thanks for the info!
For the record, it’s *actually* from the original Japanese revision of authentic DK, known in MAME as “JP set 3” tcrf.net/Donkey_Kong_(Arcade)
I didn't know about the Japan version, but I have seen in the US the awful green tinted Crazy Kong with awful sound effects and how high can you try. ruclips.net/video/bRn-ti2Vnjo/видео.html
Yes, I definitely remember seeing that version in arcades here in Canada, too.
Also this version doesn't sound like a suggestion to smoke a joint between games.
@@mikebell2112 There's another version of Crazy Kong with nicer colors: ruclips.net/video/3DAlsNwmfd8/видео.html this was the one that was in the arcades around here in Germany. This was so common here, that I actually thought Donkey Kong was the clone, when I first saw it.
Great review... very comprehensive! I need to check out those homebrews.
My parents were children of the 70s and 80s so me and my sister were always avid lovers of Atari and arcade games growing up, only now have I finally beaten all 4 stages of this game and it feels so satisfying
The one on Atari 400, is actually pretty darn ideal.
The one for Atari 800 XL computer disc system was really good for the time for a home port.
I played that one.
Very detailed. History was impressive. I had no idea there were so many different versions. Thanks for the lesson. Going to review all your content. You voice, tone and rhythm of dialogue are spot on.
Keep up the good work. How about Missile Command? Dig Dug?
Wow, these two homebrews look really incredible 🙂
Did you know Miyamoto composed DK’s soundtrack? He’s an amateur musician, and he loves to write and play bluegrass on a banjo. I wish he could compose another soundtrack someday. Hopefully when Banjo-Kazooie returns, that would be right up his alley
I did know about his love of blue grass but didn't know he did the sound track😃👍
Very nice review of the Donkey Kong games for the VCS!
Thanks!
Definitely brings back memories!
The fact that bug DK gingerbread gorillas were not in stores saddens me.
elevator pads on one side at a time was on a version of "Crazy Kong"
Scrolling Donkey Kong so you can't see all the barrels coming, reminds me of that clip from Yes Man with Jim Carey..."that sounds like a _ _ _ _ _ _ _ great idea!"
Universal : *sues Nintendo*
Nintendo : leave luck to heaven amirite ;)
I think my little head would have exploded if I saw Donkey Kong VCS in the 80s.
Me too! :)😀
You mean, if you saw these versions? Cause we did see it... it just wasnt very good.
"This little ending animation tune" is the main theme from Arlo Guthrie's "Alice's Restaurant"!
Wow... you are so right, there is no hiding that is the same tune... all 17 minutes worth! Thanks for the comment. 😀
Yeah. Just get an Atari 800 compatible machine and play that version of DK.
Or just use Mame and play the arcade ROM, but what fun is that? :)
The show Donkey Kong country was not based off of the original arcade game, but the SNES game. Donkey had a show on Saturday Supercade, along with a bunch of popular games at the time
Garry Kitchen recently said in an interview that it wasn't sabotaged. If he was given limitless ROM size, he still couldn't have done more given the time constraint. It had to be in stores in Sept, so he had a May deadline. He said he could have done all four levels, given an 8K cart AND more time.
Yep, I saw the interview and really, it was the most logical of all the guesses out there... business. 🤪
How High can you try was in the very infancy of the Japanese version of Donkey Kong which Crazy Kong was cloned from
Why is the notes so often off tune in atari music? Is it very limited so that they have to choose a note close to the right one?
Yes, the Atari sound chip only produced harmonics, I guess they never thought that music would play such a role in future VCS games, only sound effects! ha ha
The Atari version.. the barrels to me looked like honeycomb cereal.
Those multicolor sprites in Donkey Kong VCS are unbelievable, I've never seen anything like that on the Atari 2600. Don't get me wrong, I had seen standard multicolor sprites before, but usually they can't have more than one color per scanline.
Yeah, I imagine he is doing a clever job with background, and overlapping of PO and P1. Yet, he still kept the flickering to a minimum... it is quite an achievement.
donkey kong arcade for the atari is what could have been
Nice video but maybe its nostalgia but I prefer the expanded version to the original dk for Atari 2600
Brings back memories!
As always, the original arcade is the ONLY version that should ever be contemplated. ;)
What is the "rom" that limited the original? Does that refer to the chip in the cartridge? What an excellent video by the way, I really enjoyed it.
Thanks, glad you liked it! Yes, the console only has a limited amount of onboard memory, the cartridge has all the game logic, graphics, etc...
When it comes to the various Atari 2600 VCS versions of Donkey Kong I already have the original Coleco Donkey Kong for the Atari 2600 which I like playing, but I was not really satisfied with it being missing two of the arcade levels. Having watched your video I believe that I would like to have the Donkey Kong Arcade version for my Atari 2600. I don't care for the scrolling up and down the screen like on the Donkey Kong VCS version. What I do like is that Donkey Kong Arcade and Donkey Kong VCS both have all four screen levels like the original Nintendo Donkey Kong coin-op arcade video game has. I might buy the Harmony cartridge some time in the near future, but for now I will have to rely upon playing the various versions on my Stella emulator program for my Windows PC.
Having only two levels in the original 2600 DK also bothered me. I am glad it also bothered people who could program the 2600 and remedy it! Enjoy all the levels!
These homebrews are new to me- 5 Vintage Gamer Geek demerits for me ;)
That said, I'll state an observation I've aired on similar videos before- if you're going through the time and effort of making a new homebrew like these, why not make most/all the screens new layouts/new screens to provide a new game play experience vs trying to make a more Arcade accurate version.
Just play the Arcade ROM in MAME or similar for that!
Call it DK II or DK Returns, etc and have new mazes/puzzles to solve.
Easily said from a backseat developer, and I commend these guys for their efforts.
Still, these are cool collectables for retro gamers, and have enough variation in gameplay due to 2600 limitations to make them interesting
I think we need to look at the motivations for making these... nostalgia being high on the list.
1. I want to *play* this game on my favorite vintage console.
2. The challenge... can I *make* this game on my favorite vintage console.
For what i know,back then they had to create the graphics by knowing exactly how the raser beem gun of a tv works by telling the beam wich pixel to generate at wich color and at wich moment,same thing for sprites, so you can imagine how hard and boring that must have be to do so,
I don’t know if theres software today wich could automatically convert backgrounds & sprites automatically into co.ordinated signals for the tia chip,but if so then it should be nowadays much easier to make atari 2600 g ames unlike back in the day and adding extra rom and ram into the cartride should allow better graphics to be possible on the atari 2600😁
I enjoy the DK XMas hack for the 2600 where DK is a gingerbread man and Mario leaps over Xmas presents lol
I also have a 2600 Christmas hack, DK is a snowman, and Mario (dressed as Santa) jumps over elves and snowflakes! It's fun. :)
(1) Donkey Kong had a short-lived cartoon series in the early 80s.
(2) The "Pie" Factory is actually the Cement Factory, as it's a construction site. Why would pies be used? Might look like them, doesn't make sense.
(3) The more recent MAME ROMS have slightly wrong colors, as they were actually mimicking the fading green electron gun the CRTs in the game had.
(4) "How High Can You Try?" comes from the bootleg arcade game, which Nintendo approved, as Nintendo could not keep up with the demand for the machines.
Thanks for the followup.
Donkey Kong Japan version one as well as Crazy Kong said "How High Can You Try"
I'm quite sure I've seen the arcade machines that say "How high can you try?" In fact I questioned why some of them said one thing and others said another thing. Maybe it was a change made to take away from the idea of "How high can you get?", which obviously sounds like you are talking about something else.
What's even funnier was Universal didn't even make King Kong, RKO did
I like this version how do I get it
I wonder why the US version had the levels the wrong way around?
Nintendo had it originally to say "How high can you try?" in the arcade version but it was changed.
What happened tothis channel? 3 videos only?
How can they do a game in Atari BASIC on the 2600? The interpreter would take up the entire addressable ROM space, as the 6507 is a scaled down version of the 6502. And then there's the fact that the video and sound hardware is totally different. I've seen some impressive games done in Atari BASIC for the 8-bit computers, but I don't see how it would even be possible on the 2600.
Batari Basic (what they used) is written and compiled elsewhere (like on a PC)... and made into a ROM file. So the code is Basic-Like for the instructions, but it is not interpreted on the 2600. They are also currently working on C-Like coding as well.
@@ReviewAtari2600 Ah, ok. Thanks.
Donkey Kong 2 arcade hack is cool
Donkey Kong VCS is visually beautiful, but the Donkey Kong arcade version is far more accurate to the arcade in many ways. Sure, it's not as visually nice, but simply fantastic and incredible when considering that it was created via basic.
I agree. The big advantage is the whole screen viewable at once. I still find it amazing to think it was done with Basic.
Has Gary Kitchen seen this?
How high can I get? Is that a challenge?
No similarities to King Kong? A big ape dragging a woman higher and higher up a skyscraper bears no resemblance to you? Alright, the skyscraper here is under construction, but still... I‘m pretty sure Miyamoto was inspired by King Kong.
didnt matter cuz Universal lost their lawsuit that they had on Nintendo. Nobody thinks about King Kong when playing Donkey Kong
@@SupremeNerd Yes, they lost the lawsuit. But claim was made that Donkey Kong bears no resemblance to King Kong, while it obviously does. Facts won't change because of a lawsuit.
@@jensdroessler3575 unless that fact was deemed as opinion which it was and that's why they lost
I hate to burst your bubble, but the phrase "How High Can You Try" was in fact used in the Japanese version of the game using ROM Set 3. This version was also adapted to make the clones "Crazy Kong" which also uses the same phrase.
Imagine if Atari had of cared about its customers enough to put out the best versions of games they could instead of cheeping out to maximise profit short term. Thanks Atari your greed gave us Nintendo.
Dumbest comment ever. You try programming games with 128 bytes of RAM.
arcade hack are way better even the hack pacman
Always annoying when someone makes a version of the game and changes the order just to show that they KNOW it was originally supposed to be that way. Doesn't matter what it was going to be. You are still not making a faithful reproduction. Unless you are making a Crazy Kong port.
Go mario
She has to record rescue Mario come on
i had ColecoVision; DK sold the system (!)
"Bring the Arcade Home !"
Coleco screwed Atari once again. (Pong/Telestar)
but also Atari sank itself with Pac-man & E.T.
dumb Warner execs
Yeah, the Colecovision DK was way grapically superior to the VCS... and I believe on purpose. Pac-Man was really awful. but ET was not that bad. I want to do a video about that... the idea was just too complex for your average VCS gamer (at the time)... he just should of had ET going around a maze collecting Reese's pieces and it would have been okay. :)
@@ReviewAtari2600 Well, the ColecoVision had a whole lot more power than the 2600, with 5 years of technology occurring between the release of the two systems (though Coleco chose easy to obtain Texas Instruments parts rather than be at the bleeding edge of what existed), and being much easier to program for. The ColecoVision had 16k of video RAM and another 1k scratchpad, but the Atari 2600 had like 1% of that and only *128 bytes* of RAM total. Honestly I don't know how anybody programmed anything useful in 128 bytes, bankswitching to areas stored in the ROM or not, I look at the programmers of the good 2600 games as miracle workers doing something that should be impossible. I hadn't seen these homebrew Donkey Kong things before today but again I'm super-impressed that they managed anything like it.
Atari's first attempt at Pac-man was terrible, but Ms Pac-man and Jr Pac-man were excellent on the 2600, and as for Atari's work creating games for the ColecoVision, that was phenomenal, their unreleased Pac-man prototype is fantastic and pretty much all the Atarisoft games actually released on it were also great. E.T.'s problem wasn't exactly the gameplay (the falling-into-pits nonsense notwithstanding), it's that they had such faith in the license/low business acumen that they gave Warshaw a way too short 5 weeks to program something before forcing it out the door and then printed up more copies of the E.T. cartridge than the number of Atari 2600s in existence. There was no way that could work out positively for them, it was pretty insane. And led to one of the most famous burials in a desert since the pyramids were built.
@@seanbryan2792 So very right you are... I should get you to write my scripts, you summed up my thoughts exactly. In fact, I have been thinking about a set of video's to sum up the 1983 North American Game Crash. ET is not a good or bad game (again, the "pits"!), but one totally wrong for the 2600 system and that particular point in time. I blame Pac-Man for the loss of consumer confidence in Atari and that start of the game crash.
Homebrews certainly have a big advantage over original programmers with all we know about the hardware, adding co-processors, bank-switching, and open time-tables. HSW needs a medal for programming ET is five weeks. The third party manufacturers were pumping out trash that was much much worse!
Always thought it had lots of levels, smh
If they want to make sure they don't offend any over sensitive"woke" folks, they'll add an option to play Mario in Pauline's dress and another to play Pauline in Mario's overalls.
I'm sorry to disagree with you but the Atari 2600 Donkey Kong wasn't good. It sucked. It was one of the worst versions of Donkey Kong that has ever been made. The Atari 8 bit computer Donkey Kong was much better. Donkey Kong for the Atari 8 bit computer was a must have game but the Atari 2600 version should've been thrown in the trash. The Atari 2600 version of Donkey Kong Junior sucked as well.
Can't guys in males have anything to themselves