That's true. The US and Japan completely changed the face of manufacturing within the same century. Not enough people know about the toyota production system
I want this scope. Just don’t think I’m a proficient enough shooter to utilize all its features. That’s why I’m leaning towards the SLx 1-8. I already have the 1-6. Love it.
The specs on this are amazing. I’m shopping around for a 1-6, but am considering spending a little extra for this, especially since it’s equivalent in size and weight to a 1-6. How does the eye box on this compare to the Razor HD Gen III, which I hear is somewhat unforgiving?
This blows every LPVO out of the water and I don’t really like PA all that much but if your looking at a Vortex or Nightforce how could you even look at those when this does everything better at a great price mind blowing!🤯🔫👍🏼
It’s a good optic but doesn’t “blow vortex and nightforce out of the water”. I found a good deal locally on a new in box 1-10 Razor and jumped all over it instead of ordering this. For a little more money I’ll take the higher magnification, TRUE daylight brightness, and the translucent reticle. I almost went PA but this thing is obviously not bright enough even on an overcast day.
@@tylerrodriguez9233 The reticle blows them all out of the water, in actual use in UKD, wind and movers it dominates all the old ACSS knock off reticles.
@@tylerrodriguez9233 I have a Gen III, and to be honesy with you, I'm kind of disappointed in it. It's okay, but crazy expensive and the only things it really has going for it are the daylight bright illumination, and the translucent reticle, the latter of which is a "Neat!" point, not a necessity. The clarity on the 1-10x is just not that great at the high end. Look up C_Does' review of the Athlon Helos BTR 1-10x and you'll see that it's not as flat regardless of how much you adjust the diopter, and the $500 scope blows it out of the water in terms of clarity at longer ranges. I'm disgusted by both how much I paid for it, and how little quality Vortex is putting out with it.
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I live in the desert where this daylight maroon illumination is essentially worthless on a sunny day. Make your PLX compact 1-8 as bright as my Razor and I’ll buy one immediately.
Dumb question but new to LPVO’s and need to clarify…Is this (ACSS Raptor M8 yards) the BDC reticle? I don’t think the Griffin Mil is BDC but just wanted to clarify…Thanks to anyone who can answer.
Primary Arms has built a better mouse trap. These optics built by P.A. literally blows vortex and nightforce out of the water at a significant savings.
Please, how can I zero it with m8 Raptor reticle? I’m use to use meters, so I usually zero my scopes on 50m that on 200m the bullet get the same point and after that it starts to drop…. Should I zero it at 100m with this reticle? Thanks
SO just looking at the car , using the chest width of a man I would assume it was about 400 yards to that car in the beginning. If so that scope is amazing
Do any of the wind holds correspond to full mil values? The reason I ask this is because if I'm holding at 400 with 10 mph but my spoter only has a mill scope and tells me I hit one mil to the right, I need a way to understand what he is telling me. It seems to me like the 600 line corresponds to 1 mil values but I'm not sure.
@@tsafa Idk how wind holds work, I was just suggesting based off other reviews for you 😅 question tho: what are they for and are they hard to learn? I'm thinking of getting a the scope for later and I kinda want to future proof whenever I get around to learning wind holds by getting the Griffin
@@DTreatz I bought this scope if you weeks after I made this post and did this review after working with it. The following video that I did will answer a lot of questions. With regards to the reticle... ruclips.net/video/aiAH_qz7Ng0/видео.html
@@DTreatz This is a different review on a scope that I did that has the mil grid and I explained in this video how this works... ruclips.net/video/Ueo1DJI5XLU/видео.html
Primary Arms has great customer service and "mostly good budget scopes and products." They are forgetting all their customers are NOT youtubers with deep pockets; slowly but surely. If I have to pay over $1,100 for an LPVO, I would go back to the proven battle field tested optics like EOTECH, AIMPOINT, SIG and Leopold.
I mean, only some of those even fulfill the same role. With a magnifier and an EOTECH, you're already pushing high with price. Not 1100 most of the time, but you're still not reaching the same capabilities. They also have a significant number of cheaper LPVOs filling almost all prices ranges. I think there may be some flaws in your take.
It's daylight visible, not bright. Damn shame, it's the only thing holding it back. Would've easily been the best overall LVPO. They'd better upgrade the illumination!
@@kotaboy32 it was their other top seller just about like the one your showing. But it looks like this new one's crosshairs aren't as fine as I'd like. The one I had the crosshairs would cover the center cross on 2ft x 3ft taget, in part, at 300 to 800yrds. They don't seem to be for target shooting is what I'm getting at. I'm guessing they're just not for long range shooting. I could be wrong. T4TV's. Also they are pretty heavy. I put it on my ar 15 pistol & my 10.5" ar10 6.5 cm.
@@MS-oz2wu So you didnt have this and sent it back........so therefore their other top seller is not like the one he is holding. The one he is holding hasnt been released - it is upgraded - smaller, and 10oz lighter with a different reticle, and a 30mm tube as compared to their other top seller that is 34mm. Besides that your right you sent back the other top seller like the one he is showing. Exactly.
@@paulyp9853 i corrected my error the best i could. I might try this one. 10 oz lighter. That's a lot. This said. The retical doesn't really soot me. Id like to see finer crosshairs because the large ones cover smaller areas on the target's at 300 yrds +.
You should take a look through it if you get a chance. The FOV and 1x performance is better than Razor Gen 3 and Nightforce ATACR in my opinion. It really hits way out of it's price point. No optical compromise for it's extreme light weight.
Looks nice but i just dont get why nice glass costs so much. I have 4 scopes with the silver line glass and i see just fine out of them. Why does it cost that much more to make better glass?
There's more to it than the glass itself. Having lifters that can hold zero if you dial up and down a lot or that can take hard knocks. Better nitrogen purging, tougher and lighter materials, etc. Glass can cost lot too. Just like metal glass can have lots of things done to it to change how it works. Making it stronger as well as improving color transmission, light gathering, and anti glare features. It's not a big issue inside say 300 yards but the farther out you go the harder it is to tell the difference between say a branch and an antler. Also glare can be an issue if you use it a night with white light. An light gathering is important in low light situations like dusk or dawn. All these things have to be precisely controlled in order to be effective and repeatable in a mass produced product. The qc alone costs a ton. I mean look at a barista at a GOOD coffee shop. They weigh out the coffee and the water by the gram. Time the brewing process down to the second. All while using techniques and skills most of us will never have. Now some people are fine with a cup of drip coffee maker coffee. Others have higher standards. An some enjoy everything coffee has to offer. However in the end quality costs money. Some people can be satisfied with dunken. Others spend $90 a lb on small batch specialty roasted Japanese Geisha coffee. You do you boo boo. It's your money. Spend it how you want to.
The biggest difference (for me) is the amount and size of occlusions in the glass. To the naked eye they look like tiny random bubbles imbedded in the glass. You can see these better by shining a bright flashlight from the objective end into the optic, then move your eye around on the ocular end. Be careful not to blast your eye with light, but once you get the hang of this technique, you will be shocked how crappy most glass actually is. I’m certainly no expert, but I’ve been at this for awhile and occlusions will degrade light transmission and definitely cause issues at longer distances. Bad environmentals and numerous occlusions make for a poor image. I’ve never seen perfect glass, but some of the Tier I is close. Many of the Tier II magnified optics are also good, but usually at the upper end of the price range. Also, don’t confuse a bright image with clear glass. They are related but I will gladly take clear over bright. This is just the tip of the iceberg so do some research and there is a price of admission to get into the glass game. Most people never really know the difference so be safe and have fun along the way.
If you get a chance to go to a gun store with some ATACRs or Razor LPVOs on display, it'll become clear when you look through it. The SLX line hits way above it's price point in my opinion though. Especially the 1-6x rather than the 1-8x. This PLX compact is far and away better than the SLX and I'm not at all an optics snob.
I thought first focal plane reticles didn’t get bigger as you increase magnification. Am I wrong? That’s a super nice scope, way more than what I’d probably ever need. Great content as always, much love from Texas!
I don’t think anyone grinds glass for optics in the US anymore. Usually it’s Germany, Japan, Philippines, China and a few other places I can’t remember. Good parts, good designs, great assembly, etc.
You can't get American made optics other than some of Vortex's stuff and that's only because they wanted to win mil contracts for LPVOs. Everyone else is using other country's components in their optic even if it says American made. Honestly, Light Optics Works in Japan makes far better stuff than what Americans could make anyways. I'm patriotic and everything but it's just the truth.
When he was zoomed in at 8 power at the car that stopped (Chrysler 300) I was imagining when I started rolling and the chevron was about where a head would be , that I would take a headshot 😂
I don’t think it’s appropriate to have done the scope features looking down at civilians in a city street lol. Probably good idea to just put the extra effort and time to go to an open field and just film the video there. It’s poor taste imo but I get it you live where you live. Just thought I’d mention that.
If they built it without the huge turrets that nobody actually uses they could make it equally reliable, trim, and weight like 12oz. Those stupid internal turrets add like 4 oz probably. And they make the scope stick out an inch in all directions. So stupid. No one uses them! Make the exact scope with turrets literally flush with the round tube. I can use a tool. So can everyone else. Again no one ever actually dials in the real world with an lpvo
I just want to say I appreciate that real world view, really shows how the optic performs in real life over distance.
All we know about manufacturing we learned from Japan. That optic will last a lifetime, probably someone else’s lifetime too.
That's true. The US and Japan completely changed the face of manufacturing within the same century. Not enough people know about the toyota production system
@@JohnMaxGriffin That’s for sure. All we heard about in our plant wide meetings was Toyota. Toyota exudes excellence, it’s all I drive!
So it’s made in Japan or China with Japanese glass??
@@HardAssetsFTW Doubt any of it is from China. They probably machine the body in the US or Japan and the optics are definitely Japan
@@HardAssetsFTW If it’s made in Japan it’s well made, that’s all I know.
Great vid as always -Dimitri
When zeroing with 77grain, what distance should we zero at?
Post us up a torture test !
@@BigTeeze 16” at 50 yard zero using MK262 or 100 yard zero using M193 or M855 fine tune further out
Excellent review video and great Zoom In / Zoom Out visual at the end!
Does it have to be zeroed at 50yards in order for the hash marks to work properly? Asking because I usually like a 100 yard zero.
I want this scope. Just don’t think I’m a proficient enough shooter to utilize all its features. That’s why I’m leaning towards the SLx 1-8. I already have the 1-6. Love it.
Go for it.
Top end optics should be bought over the firearm spec...the pleasure of shooting is massively enhanced by geat optics.
Great vid my man but can we get some shots on a brighter day. Looks like illumination is really struggling to be what it is on such an overcast day
Great video. The secondary cap with Mil adjustment markings, can that be put on the Windage turret as well?
Have they not released the sun shade for this scope yet, I looked on the website and still do not see this accessory listed?
Where did you get the sunshade? I called PA and was told they don’t make it for that scope.
The specs on this are amazing.
I’m shopping around for a 1-6, but am considering spending a little extra for this, especially since it’s equivalent in size and weight to a 1-6.
How does the eye box on this compare to the Razor HD Gen III, which I hear is somewhat unforgiving?
The eyebox on the compact is very similar to the Razor Gen II E, possibly slightly less forgiving but just barely. Its quite nice actually.
This blows every LPVO out of the water and I don’t really like PA all that much but if your looking at a Vortex or Nightforce how could you even look at those when this does everything better at a great price mind blowing!🤯🔫👍🏼
Totally agree
It’s a good optic but doesn’t “blow vortex and nightforce out of the water”. I found a good deal locally on a new in box 1-10 Razor and jumped all over it instead of ordering this. For a little more money I’ll take the higher magnification, TRUE daylight brightness, and the translucent reticle.
I almost went PA but this thing is obviously not bright enough even on an overcast day.
@@tylerrodriguez9233 The reticle blows them all out of the water, in actual use in UKD, wind and movers it dominates all the old ACSS knock off reticles.
@@tylerrodriguez9233 I have a Gen III, and to be honesy with you, I'm kind of disappointed in it. It's okay, but crazy expensive and the only things it really has going for it are the daylight bright illumination, and the translucent reticle, the latter of which is a "Neat!" point, not a necessity. The clarity on the 1-10x is just not that great at the high end. Look up C_Does' review of the Athlon Helos BTR 1-10x and you'll see that it's not as flat regardless of how much you adjust the diopter, and the $500 scope blows it out of the water in terms of clarity at longer ranges. I'm disgusted by both how much I paid for it, and how little quality Vortex is putting out with it.
@@PrimaryArmsOptics I live in the desert where this daylight maroon illumination is essentially worthless on a sunny day. Make your PLX compact 1-8 as bright as my Razor and I’ll buy one immediately.
Dumb question but new to LPVO’s and need to clarify…Is this (ACSS Raptor M8 yards) the BDC reticle? I don’t think the Griffin Mil is BDC but just wanted to clarify…Thanks to anyone who can answer.
Primary Arms has built a better mouse trap. These optics built by P.A. literally blows vortex and nightforce out of the water at a significant savings.
Please, how can I zero it with m8 Raptor reticle? I’m use to use meters, so I usually zero my scopes on 50m that on 200m the bullet get the same point and after that it starts to drop….
Should I zero it at 100m with this reticle? Thanks
Finally! An acss I could use. Most of the acss reticles, at up to 3 power, are small enough, all I can see is an upside horseshoe with a dot.
set the diopter to your eye
Thanks for the detail.
SO just looking at the car , using the chest width of a man I would assume it was about 400 yards to that car in the beginning. If so that scope is amazing
This or the nx8 1-8 with capped turrets? Thanks
Was waiting for this one.
Is this optic usable without battery?
yes
What do you zero it at? Mils
Thank you 😊
@Primary Arms LLC Can't find the Sunshade option (10:30) listed on PA's website...
I believe it ships standard with the scope.
It looks like this version doesn't have the moving target dots like the meters version?
Can’t wait till this is no longer back ordered…for 1500$ this scope is a steal!
🇯🇵 Bonsai bonzai ❗️❗️❗️ this is good glass 👍
With that extra turret cap and the reticle id like to see someone toss that on a compact 308 and take it long.
I am imagining the lightweight .308 from POF. Approximately size and weight of an AR-15…
Do any of the wind holds correspond to full mil values?
The reason I ask this is because if I'm holding at 400 with 10 mph but my spoter only has a mill scope and tells me I hit one mil to the right, I need a way to understand what he is telling me.
It seems to me like the 600 line corresponds to 1 mil values but I'm not sure.
Get the griffin model if I'm not mistaken
@@DTreatz
I found out that the wind holds on the 800 yard line are very close to 1 mil apart.
@@tsafa Idk how wind holds work, I was just suggesting based off other reviews for you 😅
question tho: what are they for and are they hard to learn? I'm thinking of getting a the scope for later and I kinda want to future proof whenever I get around to learning wind holds by getting the Griffin
@@DTreatz
I bought this scope if you weeks after I made this post and did this review after working with it.
The following video that I did will answer a lot of questions. With regards to the reticle...
ruclips.net/video/aiAH_qz7Ng0/видео.html
@@DTreatz
This is a different review on a scope that I did that has the mil grid and I explained in this video how this works...
ruclips.net/video/Ueo1DJI5XLU/видео.html
Arm up. Ammo up. Green tip welcome.
Left & Right holds on on the horse shoe. Can someone expand on that?
The old plx 128 is 27 oz not 37
FUCKIN LOVE ME SOME. FFP SCOPES!!!
Primary Arms has great customer service and "mostly good budget scopes and products."
They are forgetting all their customers are NOT youtubers with deep pockets; slowly but surely.
If I have to pay over $1,100 for an LPVO, I would go back to the proven battle field tested
optics like EOTECH, AIMPOINT, SIG and Leopold.
I mean, only some of those even fulfill the same role. With a magnifier and an EOTECH, you're already pushing high with price. Not 1100 most of the time, but you're still not reaching the same capabilities. They also have a significant number of cheaper LPVOs filling almost all prices ranges. I think there may be some flaws in your take.
@@TheGarmeryEotech makes an LPVO. The vudu series.
None of those companies make battlefield tested LPVOs
@@reedcrater5522 The more you know 🌈 ...
Best lpvo on the market
A lot of reviews say this is not daylight bright. Is it?
It's daylight visible, not bright. Damn shame, it's the only thing holding it back. Would've easily been the best overall LVPO. They'd better upgrade the illumination!
Slap an o-ring on that throw lever. Keeps it from beating the sides
it doesn’t touch the sides we made sure of it. 😃
@@PrimaryArmsOptics 👊🏾next level. I need to put a throw on my griffin x
I want it..
how much?
Unfortunately we can’t make anything good ourselves. How did all these countries pass us by since WWII??
Because corporations outsourced manufacturing so the 1% could get even richer at the expense of the American worker
now if i could just find $1500!
Ive had this & sent it back. The crosshairs are to big for long range target shooting as many scopes are. Thx4tv.
That's amazing because they haven't released it yet......
@@kotaboy32 it was their other top seller just about like the one your showing. But it looks like this new one's crosshairs aren't as fine as I'd like. The one I had the crosshairs would cover the center cross on 2ft x 3ft taget, in part, at 300 to 800yrds. They don't seem to be for target shooting is what I'm getting at. I'm guessing they're just not for long range shooting. I could be wrong. T4TV's. Also they are pretty heavy. I put it on my ar 15 pistol & my 10.5" ar10 6.5 cm.
@@MS-oz2wu A LPVO 1-8 that weighs in at 16 ounces is too heavy???
@@MS-oz2wu So you didnt have this and sent it back........so therefore their other top seller is not like the one he is holding. The one he is holding hasnt been released - it is upgraded - smaller, and 10oz lighter with a different reticle, and a 30mm tube as compared to their other top seller that is 34mm. Besides that your right you sent back the other top seller like the one he is showing. Exactly.
@@paulyp9853 i corrected my error the best i could. I might try this one. 10 oz lighter. That's a lot. This said. The retical doesn't really soot me. Id like to see finer crosshairs because the large ones cover smaller areas on the target's at 300 yrds +.
For the price point, there may be better options, but the compact design does look appealing.
You should take a look through it if you get a chance. The FOV and 1x performance is better than Razor Gen 3 and Nightforce ATACR in my opinion. It really hits way out of it's price point. No optical compromise for it's extreme light weight.
Nothing comes close, check out the specs
There's literally nothing I can find that's better at this price point
I just can’t convince myself that I need ffp optics. The glass is so much better for cheaper on a sfp.
Distance is where ffp shines
Nice.
I want 1
lol every lpvo review is a "true 1x power"
You know, unless the 1x looks more like 0.9x or 1.2x. Or is all fisheyed and distorted around the edges. Etc
Ah no.. lol
Looks nice but i just dont get why nice glass costs so much. I have 4 scopes with the silver line glass and i see just fine out of them. Why does it cost that much more to make better glass?
There's more to it than the glass itself. Having lifters that can hold zero if you dial up and down a lot or that can take hard knocks. Better nitrogen purging, tougher and lighter materials, etc.
Glass can cost lot too. Just like metal glass can have lots of things done to it to change how it works. Making it stronger as well as improving color transmission, light gathering, and anti glare features.
It's not a big issue inside say 300 yards but the farther out you go the harder it is to tell the difference between say a branch and an antler. Also glare can be an issue if you use it a night with white light. An light gathering is important in low light situations like dusk or dawn.
All these things have to be precisely controlled in order to be effective and repeatable in a mass produced product. The qc alone costs a ton.
I mean look at a barista at a GOOD coffee shop. They weigh out the coffee and the water by the gram. Time the brewing process down to the second. All while using techniques and skills most of us will never have.
Now some people are fine with a cup of drip coffee maker coffee. Others have higher standards. An some enjoy everything coffee has to offer.
However in the end quality costs money.
Some people can be satisfied with dunken. Others spend $90 a lb on small batch specialty roasted Japanese Geisha coffee.
You do you boo boo. It's your money. Spend it how you want to.
Buy a nice non Chinese-piece-of-crap optic and you will find out.
The biggest difference (for me) is the amount and size of occlusions in the glass. To the naked eye they look like tiny random bubbles imbedded in the glass. You can see these better by shining a bright flashlight from the objective end into the optic, then move your eye around on the ocular end.
Be careful not to blast your eye with light, but once you get the hang of this technique, you will be shocked how crappy most glass actually is.
I’m certainly no expert, but I’ve been at this for awhile and occlusions will degrade light transmission and definitely cause issues at longer distances. Bad environmentals and numerous occlusions make for a poor image.
I’ve never seen perfect glass, but some of the Tier I is close. Many of the Tier II magnified optics are also good, but usually at the upper end of the price range.
Also, don’t confuse a bright image with clear glass. They are related but I will gladly take clear over bright. This is just the tip of the iceberg so do some research and there is a price of admission to get into the glass game.
Most people never really know the difference so be safe and have fun along the way.
If you get a chance to go to a gun store with some ATACRs or Razor LPVOs on display, it'll become clear when you look through it. The SLX line hits way above it's price point in my opinion though. Especially the 1-6x rather than the 1-8x. This PLX compact is far and away better than the SLX and I'm not at all an optics snob.
it’s not just glass, harden steel turrets and over all material use and precision of the tracking and reticle
I thought first focal plane reticles didn’t get bigger as you increase magnification. Am I wrong? That’s a super nice scope, way more than what I’d probably ever need. Great content as always, much love from Texas!
Second focal plane doesn't get larger as you zoom. FFP reticles shift as you zoom in and out so the holds match at any magnification level.
@@project86xero gotchya. I had it backwards ha. Thanks!
@Vito Spatafiore yeah I figured out my mistake. See comment above.
I hope they will offer it in SFP.
Why would you want a SFP?
Wish it was American made
I don’t think anyone grinds glass for optics in the US anymore. Usually it’s Germany, Japan, Philippines, China and a few other places I can’t remember.
Good parts, good designs, great assembly, etc.
You can't get American made optics other than some of Vortex's stuff and that's only because they wanted to win mil contracts for LPVOs. Everyone else is using other country's components in their optic even if it says American made.
Honestly, Light Optics Works in Japan makes far better stuff than what Americans could make anyways. I'm patriotic and everything but it's just the truth.
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'Extreme Low Dispersion Glass'... 'chromatic aberration'
Why is a primary arms optic 1500 dollars...isn't the whole point of their stuff that it's great stuff for cheap? Better options out there for 1500
What other FFP with a reticle like this can you find for $1500. Tell me
When he was zoomed in at 8 power at the car that stopped (Chrysler 300) I was imagining when I started rolling and the chevron was about where a head would be , that I would take a headshot 😂
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too expensive I can get a vortex premium for the same price with a longer well-known name
I don’t think it’s appropriate to have done the scope features looking down at civilians in a city street lol. Probably good idea to just put the extra effort and time to go to an open field and just film the video there. It’s poor taste imo but I get it you live where you live. Just thought I’d mention that.
snowflake
It wasn't mounted on a rifle. No different than looking through a pair of binoculars.
If they built it without the huge turrets that nobody actually uses they could make it equally reliable, trim, and weight like 12oz. Those stupid internal turrets add like 4 oz probably. And they make the scope stick out an inch in all directions. So stupid. No one uses them! Make the exact scope with turrets literally flush with the round tube. I can use a tool. So can everyone else.
Again no one ever actually dials in the real world with an lpvo
For 1500$ there’s better options
What do you recommend?