The Story of This Plane Crash Seems IMPOSSIBLE
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- There are some incredible sites to visit in the west. Some are strange, unexplainable, historical, and all amazing. Then some leave you with more questions than answers, much like this plane crash.
The story goes something like this…
Drug runners were spotted flying over the Nevada deserts. As they tried to evade capture, they were shot down. Somehow, the occupants managed to escape, almost unscathed, and make their way to the nearest town, about 70 miles away. From that point on, they were never seen or heard from again.
On closer inspection of the aircraft, it does not appear to have been shot down. All identifying pieces of the craft are missing from the crash site. Coincidence? Cover-Up? Or well thought out Storytelling? We aren’t sure, but it was a very unique opportunity for us.
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Thank you for the concerns about rattlesnakes. Before we film, we did check the area first to make sure it was safe. And, NO, we are not experts on planes. For anyone who is interested, a viewer sent us this link about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Extremely interesting find. Amazing the 2 occupants with broken legs were able to crawl 7 miles to a roadway and hitch a ride to a hospital. Wonder if both or either of them are still around, today?
@@problu9586 makes you wonder!
This wreck matches my father's twin engine Aztec Piper. Tail number N5530Y. He sold it in the 70's. Within a week or 2 of the sale he got a call from the feds. He told them that he sold it and to whom. That was the end of the story. Thanks for the update?
Wow, that is incredible Peter. Thanks for sharing that info. Not sure if you have the link about this crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas Different tail number.
And thus the on-going story of Dad's Aztec 5530Y concludes again. Peace
Get some pictures of the plane when he owned it
You might want to be VERY careful moving and looking under those aircraft parts. You never know what critter might be hiding from the sun under them! I dare say that no one walked away from that plane crash.
I was cringing every time they lifted up a part of the wreckage.
Andrea has No FEAR, we have since found that they did survive the crash, here is a link one of our viewers sent us about the crash joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Wow. I'm amazed that anyone survived that crash. They should have headed directly to Vegas and played anything and everything with their kind of luck!!!
@@glennbullock1212 They might have done if they weren't picked up by the police!
@@PinInTheAtlas That is amazing that they even survived at all when things are as mangled as everything from that poor plane. I've seen far less mutilation of the aircraft itself with no survivors and that is very badly mangled. Those 2 had done amazingly traveling 9 miles with broken legs too so obviously they had a strong will to survive (even if not enough sense to work out how much fuel they needed) and that 9 mile journey in their condition which I'm sure would have involved a lot of other lesser maybe but, still difficulties created by them. I do believe that report but till I saw that I was thinking there was no way they survived that. I'm not sure it would be easy to make people feel any sympathy for them but it does sound like one of those survival stories that could make a good movie.
Any survivors of a crash like that, would be awfully lucky! Great outing, you two!
Hi Kerry. They were drug runners, and they did survive apparently. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/ Glad you enjoyed the video.
That looks to be a mid 60's Piper twin engine Aztec. Considered by most to be apply described as a flying pickup truck. Can haul a bunch of weight
So it seems to be the perfect aircraft for what they were supposedly using it for. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us about the plane. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Looking at the throttle quadrant, you may be right.
Yes!
How the pilot and passenger survived that one I'll never know!
Good catch, it was a, Piper Aztec family of aircraft.
Interesting visit to this crash site. The plane received its air worthiness certificate on 8/24/1976, so it was a relatively new plane. The tail number was stricken from the records in January, 1978. A very short life to a very rugged and reliable Aztec, one of Piper's best. At the time of the accident it was registered to an individual in Clear Lake, Ca. The NTSB report showed one gallon of fuel remaining in an unauthorized auxiliary tank. Adding fuel tanks to allow for a longer non-stop trip is common when moving contraband. Fatalities: None Occupants: Two. Further details at:
aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=124962
Thanks for the info. Very interesting.
Thanks!
Hard to believe that anyone could have survived this crash given the state of the wreckage.
Hi Guys,
Your content keeps getting better and better with each upload!!
Awesome!! Keep um coming!!
Thank you so much, Dennis. We are learning all the time. If you would like more info on this crash, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
I believe that no one walked away from this crash. The wind could have spread the pieces around from the original wreckage positions.
Hi James, we have since found out through the comments, the two occupants did survive the crash. They were found crawling away and transported to the nearest town for treatment. Here is the link to that story if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
To:@@PinInTheAtlas That is very hard to believe. The condition of the Plane Wreckage would suggest that the plane was torn to pieces, leaving little to no structure to protect the occupants of the plane. How many people were on the plane?
@@jamesparker6876 There were only two according to that website.
New subscriber here. Getting caught up with all your very interesting videos. Hard to imagine anyone walked, or in this case, apparently crawled away from this crash.
Welcome, Jerry. We hope you enjoy our pins. Yes it is hard to believe, but apparently they did. And found several miles away. Although over time we believe the wreckage has been scavenged somewhat, so it probably looks a lot worse now than when it happened.
The wing looked like it had been picked up and moved with heavy machinery as that small area of damage does not correspond with the crash damage.Great video guys
This site was weird because of how little remained and people picking up and moving bits from their original locals, but we had a lot of fun exploring it!
Everything in that desert has bullet holes in it . Usually road signs .
Especially NO HUNTING signs....those things are bullet magnets.
How come there were two wing parts with an engine mount on each one? Looks like a twin engine aircraft!
with two throttle, prop and mixture levers, it's NOT a single engine plane.
If they walked away from this they need to go to church now.
That is so funny. Not sure if you have seen this link about the crash
joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
And they DID walk away amazingly
I know it's a rumor but there's no way men crashed landed and survived in that terrain then walked 70 miles with no injuries. No survivors.
We thought the same thing, Annalee. The story has been somewhat exaggerated over the years, but apparently, the occupants did survive and they were drug runners. But they only walked 9 miles before they were discovered, and they were injured. A viewer sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Definitely an Aztec (twin engined Piper) Looks like the crash site has been picked clean of most of the big components such as engines, props and landing gear. All that other stuff has undoubtedly been blown around and scattered over the years it can get pretty windy out there at times.
It certainly has Paul. We were sent this link with a few more details about this crash if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
And to think that now you can just go down to CoCo Farms and buy as much marijuana as you want and it's perfectly legal. Nobody thought that would ever happen in 1977.
@@pi.actual So true.
Those bullet holes are a bit small for military air to air. Looks like someone out plinking these as targets.
The two tubes she had picked thinking they had to do with thrust where actually the exhaust for the engine nacelles.
And the white fiberglass section was the right wing tip . No fuel in this location of the wing.
The larger piece of wreckage was the right wing and cockpit section. That contain the engine throttle quadrant.
The tail and engines where recovered during the investigation.
Thanks for the info, John
Great adventure guys, very interesting! Hard to think that wreckage is survivable, but we know that you are passing information that was passed to you. Regardless if the occupants survived or not you guys rocked on this video, by just finding it. The back story just adds to the mystery. Thanks guys for sharing! Danny in Alabama
Hi Danny. Thanks. This was our first explore of a crash site. We were put onto it by a local, and of course, over the years the story has been somewhat exaggerated. however, it was a drug plane, and the occupants did survive by all accounts. One of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas
Being the conspiracy theorist I am, I'd say because of an apparent cover-up and no numbers on it, the plane was probably owned by the CIA as part of their drug running operations.
However. The counterpoint would be, that IF it was a CIA operation, one would think the CIA would have come in, rescued their people (pilot and passengers) and cleared up the entire area of wreckage.
WDIK?? 😂
Please be careful when lifting things in the desert.......rattlesnakes love to hide there.
We did check the pieces off-camera to make sure it was all clear. Thank you!
@@PinInTheAtlas Seen you on Wonderhussy!
@@totallyjonesin Thank you for coming over to check out our channel as well, we really appreciate that!
I am a consultant on aviation accidents...nobody walked away from that... There has to be some history on that accident, no engines and no props....Great video...thanks!
Glad you enjoyed the vid. One of our viewers sent us this link about the site. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
lol wrong
What a really cool Trip This Was! My Absolute favorite part of all was you BOTH laughing TOGETHER! This "Story" reminded me of a story I heard years ago from a person in a small town as well. What was appealing to me was going around asking "locals" if they knew of this particular story and what was their take...the end result was So many Versions of the so called Story events.....even the "core of the story" changed a bit too. So I can believe how a story through the years can get embellished. But after reading some of the great comments from your Fan Base and then seeing you both left a Link to the Real Deal Story...I got as excited as only an Adult Kid can get in late June while feeling like it's Christmas Morning! Only been Riding along in Tonto a short time....but feels as though we ALL have been traveling from place to place and just having fun! Cheers From Ohio
Thank you so very much. We are learning as we go and we are so humbled by all the support and help we receive in these comments. It truly does get us both a bit tearful from time to time, we are overwhelmed by the kindness we are receiving and it is pushing us to continue growing and finding even better sites to document.
From the window configuration, shape and sizes, this looks like a Piper Aztec, to me.
After getting to see more parts and pieces, I'm fairly sure this was a twin engine Piper Aztec.
@@photobuzz Yes, windows were give away. Could be an Apache but need more pictures.
Apparently so. We know nothing about aircraft. One of our viewers did send us this link about the site. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@desertdawg3409 Yes. After looking at pictures of the Apache, I believe you're correct. There is a small, but obvious, difference in the front, side windows, of the two planes and I would agree this is an Apache.
The way I'm flip flopping, you'll probably call me Dr. Fauci. But after looking closer at the wreckage, I'm going to say it's an Aztec. Again, it's that forward window configuration that says it's an Aztec.
I believe the first serial number you found at 7:14 is a data plate that can identify this wreck. Send a picture to Piper and I bet they'll help you. Look at the control column at 12:19 and you can count 6 levers, 7 if you count the flap handle, and 2 were the throttle, 2 were the mixture controls, and 2 were the prop controls; so this is a twin engine aircraft and it was a low wing aircraft. Also at 13:15 you can see the cabin air control knobs and the Master Switch which connects the battery to the aircraft electrical system. All these should help to figure out what Piper airplane this is.
Hello Al, thank you for that info. Another viewer sent us this link that has more information bout this crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Thank you for being "snake" safe. That was my first thought. Just think, 70 miles from the nearest town. That's a couple of 3 days of walking.
We always check, Ken. Thanks. Oh, and we found out that they only walked 9 miles before getting picked up by law enforcement. Not sure if you saw the link another viewer sent us.
Very cool Vid. I am a pilot, and I used to be the safety officer in my local Civil Air Patrol squadron. I had the job of reporting on general aviation accidents each month, and it was depressing learning how people end up in shredded balls of flaming AL-U-Minium as you Royal Subjects say, otherwise referred to by us Yanks as Aluminum.
I was thinking this thing looked like a Piper Aztec, and that is a twin engine plane. The framing on one of the wing pieces aligns with that theory - I think it supported one of the engines. Single engine planes have the engine out in front of the pilot, but twins have them on the wings.
When an NTSB investigator starts their look at a crash sight, they try to find all four corners of the plane. That means the nose, tail and wing tips. If they are close together, then it came straight down-ish. If they can't find one or more corners at the site, it came off the plane in the air, and could be miles away from the eventual crash site. Since there isn't a lot of airplane parts here, it lends credence that the plane was shot down and came apart in the air, but unless the pilot and/or passenger were able to walk on water, I highly doubt they would have walked away - even in the unlikely event they had parachutes and were unscathed by the plane being torn apart in the air.
However, people could have taken parts over the years. So, we will really never know for sure.
I read one of the posts that indicated the poster found the NTSB report, it would be cool to have that link if they read this.
One slight correction though; the wing would be on the underside of the fuselage, known as a "low wing" v. something like a Cessna Skyhawk or "high wing".
If the occupants DID walk away, I have to believe that souvenir hunters raided this wreck - there is NOT a lot left. In fact, I'm surprised there are no engines or parts of them, lending credence to the "target Practice" theory - bullet holes are from after the event. I'm also amazed that this thing is in so many pieces and yet no burn marks. Still, with that terrain and it being a retractable gear plane, if they landed gear up those rocks would have had their way with that structure and it wouldn't have been pretty.
I love stuff like this; thank you for this video!
Now that I read information at the link provided above (yeah, ol' Eagle Eye here missed it), it all fits. But, that site was picked apart ALOT. This is not the way the plane came to rest.
By the way, the fiberglass pieces are engine cowling and perhaps the aux. fuel tank. Running out of gas explains the lack of burn marks. So, it all fits.
Also, Aztecs had HUGE useful load - meaning they could carry a lot of weight - ideal for drug runners. Problem is, it's a slow twin (relatively speaking). Cessna 310's and Cessna Centurions (being a single engine aircraft v. the 310 which is what Sky King flew in the later episodes) were highly prized for drug running because of their range and carrying capacity.
Uh...so I heard...
It makes for an interesting read, doesn't it? So the shot down bit we think is made up just to spice up the story. But, they did walk away, which seems impossible.
As for the bullet holes, first is to look for shell casings on the ground around the bits with holes in them. Not guaranteed you'll find any, just move the top soil around some. Also, who ever was shooting at it could have been far away at the time, the wreckage would make good long distance target.
You could be right about the distance, Evan. We didn't see any casings. It is a shame that people feel the need to shoot up everything - in our opinion.
Wow, you guys sure have some big, open sky out in that part of the world. 🙂
This is my first time watching your videos. Thought it was very well done
Thank you. It is a massive learning curve and we learn more with each video. So glad you enjoyed it. If you would like more info on the crash, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/. We hope you continue to get pleasure out of our "pins".
4K, 65" 2.5feet from my face, these vids are AWESOME! Love the 4K camera!
We film on an iPhone and edit in Imovies. No special software. Thank you so much for the compliment. We are learning all the time. If you are interested in more info about this crash site, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Looked through the comments, saw no mention of the mechanic's notation done on 14NOV1981. Did not go down in the seventies.
Hi there. One of our viewers very kindly sent us a like about this crash site. It makes an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas No matter the details, it is a fascinating find and made for a great video!
@@granddad-mv5ef Thank you very much!
You guys are so good at this!!!!!So interesting 😊
So pleased that you enjoyed this pin. We have many more explores to come. If you are interested in finding out more about this particular site, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
This was really exciting and interesting! 🔥so much mystery - love it! love rugged scenery. Nice to see Tonto watching faithfully from below👏😃. Look forward to next vid ✌🏽🤙🏽🙋🏽
Tonto is a star, Bernardo. So glad you enjoyed our "outing". We had so much fun recording this adventure. One of our viewers sent us this link about the crash site if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas wow! Thanks so much. I will have a look. 🤙🏽✌🏽
Nicely done.. I'm so glad I came back and watched this again for the new comments. A few observations for your next plane:
- a good source for documentation on plane accidents is NTSB (national transportation safety board)
- you noted that he aircraft regisrstion number is on the tail. It is also on the dashboard in front of the pilot left seat above the cluster of instrument
Most Pipers are low wing planes, including the Astec
@@davidm.9510 Thank you very much for that information, we really appreciate that it helps us out in our future explorations. We will keep an eye out for those if we get wind of another crash site to explore.
Btw, I found you thru Wonderhussy.
@@davidm.9510 Welcome aboard, hope you enjoy the rest of our content.
Found a brief report of a crash on July, 1, 1970 involving a yellow Piper 28 near the National Forest.
Another viewer found this link too. Makes for an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
That’s a throttle quadrant it controls the engine ,propeller and flaps
Throttle quadrant holds throttle, Mixture, and Propeller RPM, used to manage manifold pressure, propeller Pitch/RPM, and air/fuel mixture.
In the 60s and 70s I was in Arizona (raised there actually) there were a number of small aircraft stolen from small airports, to be found later crashed in another part of the state. What would happen, a smuggler would steal and fly very low into Mexico where they would load the plane with drugs and sneak back across the border to a predetermined location, dry lake wide dirt road and land/crash land unload and beat feet. Often the aircraft the aircraft would be set on fire. Cowboys down there always went armed because you never what you were going to run into.
P.S. Long way to go for target practice
Wow that is incredible Roger, thanks for sharing. We think someone went to a lot a trouble to keep this tall tale alive. However another viewer sent us this link with more info about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
If Colton Harris Moore had been a bit smarter, he could have made some money and stayed on the run doing this.
Nice video! Keep it up guys.
Thanks, Martin. Here is a link about the site someone sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Nice to see ya still having fun out there. Do you know the module?
I put a link in the description
Maybe the story got intermingled with the guy that crashed a small plane in the Sierras and walked into a coffee shop in Olancha
Stories always get embellished over time. However, one of our viewers did send us this link joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
That was a twin engine Piper, the cowling on the wing at 15:26 was for the right engine.
There's no way people would have survived a plane crash that violent. Their bodies would have been ripped apart like the plane. Did you receive my email?
Have replied to your email, Jan. And we thought the same, but they did survive apparently. Here is a link with further info about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
I don't believe anyone could have walked away from that crash. I'm a licensed commercial pilot and I've seen several crash results and for an aircraft to break up that badly indicate a high speed impact with very little chance of survival, let alone the ability to walk away.
Hi Harry. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us about this site. Makes for an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
fuel starvation - - engines shut down folks in the plane bail with chutes - - depending on altitude of chute deployment and slowing of descent one would expect injuries to lower extremities such as broken legs. Even the best training wouldn't help at night because you wouldn't be able to see the ground til you were almost on it so flaring your chute to give lift before impact would be close to impossible and given the rocky terrain hit an roll would also cause extensive injury. One thing for sure they didn't ride it out and walk /limp or crawl away to survive they would had to be out before impact. You don't see sky dive schools using twin low wing planes for the very reason fighter planes have ejector seats to get you clear of trailing parts of the aircraft at high speed - - high wing configuration allows you to drop down away from parts at the rear of the plane. Planes for troops in the military are way longer with the tail section elevated in level flight giving more clearance even on a static line jump
Looks like a twin, like an ATP Piper Seminole. You can see that there was an engine in that wing piece you were analyzing. Cables would run throughout the aircraft in those pulleys. they would controle the ailerons' elevator, and it's "pilot controlled" tab, and rudder, but not the flaps.
I too see the engine in the wing section which I will go out on a limb here and say that the aircraft was also a lower wing aircraft with twin engines
@@_DJGravity Hi Daniel. You are right. Even though they thought that the wing was over the top ( semi cantilever design ), They really did not know. They made no pretense about not knowing much about aircraft. Nice people that they are, they need us to help them out here.
That we do Franklin, that we do. Thank you for your help. Another kind viewer sent us this link about this particular crash. It makes an interesting read if you are interested.
joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
This is sad but fascinating. Another excellent video... 👏🧡
So pleased you enjoyed our explore, Rhonda. Here is a link about the crash site someone sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas thank you, so much👏 That was so very helpful and also answers some questions. To think they lived through that crash, amazes me!
It was an Apache and it had MetcoAire Tip tanks for extra range @ 2:46 minute mark. Someone carefully unscrewed the nav light and fuel filler caps from that part. At 10:02 they were looking at an exhaust augmentor tube that was under the wings behind the engines. Aztecs did not have those. The storm window @6:01 is hinged at front unlike the Aztec which had the hinge at the bottom, and the emergency exit window was common to both models. Bullet holes were probably installed after the crash and I seriously doubt anybody survived that crash unless they were using a parachute. At 11:37, you are looking at the right wing and the engine firewall, not the cockpit section. You can see the dark area was the non skid paint for the wing walk area, leading up to the cockpit door. At 12:36 you are looking at the hydraulic power pack that ran the landing gear and flaps. A serial number on that won't matter much. 27-2001 is the aircraft serial number. 13:30, no that is not part of the engine. It is a control cable pulley which would be part of the aileron, rudder or elevator or stabilator control system. 18:00, you got the left flap correct. 18:30 is a Fram engine air inlet filter. The fiberglass was from the nose section.
Thanks for all of that information. We were sent this link by another viewer with more information about this crash if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas I would still like to know how anybody survived a crash that violent and torn up. But, the Aztec has a steel tube frame under the fuselage skin, so in that regard it is somewhat like a race car roll cage. BTW, there is a story about a couple of guys who were flying in Alaska in a Piper Super Cub. They crashed and survived, but were pinned inside the wreckage when their feet were trapped by the collapsing steel tube structure. Then, the grizzlys came by and had them for lunch. Guns were stored where they could not reach them.
@@i.r.wayright1457 It's always so amazing when people "walk away" from horrific accidents. And those people in Alaska - it just wasn't their day!
Piper Aircraft we’re low wing aircraft. Based on the pieces presented it was a twin engine. Serial numbers are presented on the passenger side fuselage.
Thanks for that info Neil! Another viewer sent us this link with more info about this particular crash it seems. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Piper Aztec is well known to me as my dad owned and I “flew” several hours in right seat. Drug runners loved the plane’s cargo capacity.
That hole you saw on one of thoae parts is where i think the landing gear was attached to.
@@DanielAgner-uj4uo oh thanks Daniel. Neither of us know much about planes. Enjoyed exploring the area though
That old plane might have been a Piper - Cherokee model. Those cylinder pieces you showed earlier were for the wing tips. I’m getting the design shape in my mind. This old plane might have carried six to perhaps eight passengers. They were built for speed and manoeuvre ability too. Drug runners would’ve loved them I’d say.
I have a hard time believing that anyone could have walked away from that. Wonder why there's no engine? Where are the rest of the pieces? Tires? Rims? Tail section? Lots of unanswered questions. How come nobody scrapped it out? A few lbs. of ali-luminia:)Great video! Looking forward to another...Pin in the atlas:) Hope your having fun and staying COOL.
"How come nobody scrapped it out?".... My guess.. 140 mile round trip to nearest town to possibly sell scrap... in the desert... ... too much work for the profit.
@@desertdawg3409 It almost looks like it was put there for a story. Over half the fuselage is missing. To many questions for a good answer.
@@richardbeee I did find it... the 'shoot down' part was a 'legend'... it was fuel starvation by NTSB report. Actually both walked away with injuries and found on a road 10 miles away and taken to Nye hospital... Yes! Very lucky guys!
@@desertdawg3409 That makes a little more sense. Thanks.
@@richardbeee Still remarkable for the length of the debris field. I've seen smaller fields and much, much more loss. Flying into a mountain, even slowly with dead engines is gonna be a Pucker Factor 10!
Just my guess without directions N/S... he was flying 'uphill' ripping tail off at base first and heavier fuselage was highest up hill.
Anything out in the desert will have bullet holes in them, someone traveling with a rifle know no one will hear them will shoot things. It's too far from the boarder to decide to start shooting, you probably could research but I doubt they would allow border patrol to machine gun planes. The distribution and size of parts would say no one survived the crash, a survivable crash usually has an intact safe space cabin, floor, seats.
Hello Myko, we were just amazed there weren't more bullet holes. Someone went to great lengths to keep this myth alive. Here is a link to the story if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Thumbs up!
Thanks, Thomas. Glad you enjoyed our "pin".
That fuselage pretty sure is a Piper Azetc (older PA27)... Twin engine loved by runners.. could carry a ton at 200+ mph... 200+ gallons AvGas. Flight from south of border would have only been couple hour flight.
I agree with some others, doubtful if anyone 'walked away'... Ironically, I actually crashed today 6/25/84, 37 years ago today in the water off Jersey coast and mine was torn up less... Kinda eerie looking at another crash site today. Hard crash and debris field that long seems unlikely to be survivable.
Glad you made it, man.
My Bad... I believe I was incorrect on model I believe it was a Piper PA32 'Cherokee 6' in Wellington NV... Not shot down or any survivors.
Only crash in that area and time period of a Piper was December 28, 1968 - 38 28N 119 07W - Piper PA 32 - N4115R Blue/White - 3 Fatalities - Recovered 6/69.. You can research more from there.. aviation-safety.net/wikibase/13740
True, was a single engine.. The windows is what threw me off... Easier looking at whole plane than pieces..
I was correct to start... N5001Y crash 12/6/77 the twin engine Piper PA-23-250 Aztec. 2 occupants survived and recovered 10 miles from crash site saying they had a car accident... Were hauling marijuana recovered from crash site.. NTSB says 'fuel starvation' cause of crash.
@@desertdawg3409 Yes, they did survive, surprisingly. We were sent the link with the same information.
@@PinInTheAtlas Yea, I had to dig deeper into NTSB archives... looking in wrong decade, 70's. FAA data not always up to date with info over 30-40 years back is lacking.
This was a Twin not a Single...
Mr. Erbele just took my thunder. I was going to say that one part of the cockpit you presented showed part of a center console with two sets of levers side by side. They looked like throttle and manifold pressure controls. Part of one wing also showed the rear part of the left engine nacelle. I suspect the crash site has been partly salvaged because you didn't find engines. Also, in that desert, no one walked 70 miles after a crash with little or no water.
Probably over the years there have been lots of scavengers. We couldn't find any seats either. The story has obviously been exaggerated over the years, but, apparently they did survive and walked away - around 9 miles - before they were apprehended by the law. Here is a link one of our viewers sent us.
joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
I see two augmentor tubes (exhaust) looks like a B model piper Aztec
6:18 If this plane was shot down I don't believe those particular small bullet holes are the evidence. The angle of those holes look liked someone stood like you guys are standing and shot DOWNWARD through the plane post wreckage as you already suggested may have happened. If the plane was airborne and someone was shooting from the ground I don't see how the shooter(s) could have made those lateral or side angles from ground level shooting upward into the sky and into the plane. Of course there could have been a mid-air Piper to Piper dog fight in the desert (ha ha!) and a pilot reached out of his plane and shot level-to-level downing the other plane, but that sounds more like an old TV episode of "Sky King."
I love that explanation Del! We should have told that story! Another viewer sent us this link to the real scoop behind this crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Who knows why the plane crashed, but I highly doubt anyone walked away from it. I've been to plane wrecks like that and the people are usually in just as many pieces as the plane.
You would think so, wouldn't you, but not according to reports! check out the link in the description.
Another great adventure
Thanks, Raymond. We thoroughly enjoyed this adventure. Totally new for us. Here is a link about the site one of our viewers sent. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Sorry some of that did not come out very good so the pulleys are for control lines for a rudder and other controls
Great find and well documented. More please.
A different kind of explore for us, Don. Glad you enjoyed it. We will have to do more research and discover more unusual events to document. Someone sent us this link about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Doubt there were any survivors, or that it was shot down.
Apparently, it was not shot down, just part of the story that has been exaggerated through the years, but they did survive. Here is the link joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
If you guys only found one engine there... The plane could have been either above or below the fuselage but from what I saw that fuselage it looked like it was a low wing..... Probably a six-seater long range single engine Piper......
That looks like a twin engine.... Somebody may have taken the one good engine.....
Nice video! Thanks for sharing...
Thanks, Gerry. Glad you enjoyed it. If you are interested in this crash site, one of our viewers sent us this link. It makes an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
The throttle quadrant with the flap lever is from a Piper twin most likely an Aztec. The wing section has the wing walk and back end of the right engine nacelle. It was a good airplane, if it was used for drugs because it can carry a good load. They should know that Piper made low wing airplanes beginning in the 1960s with the exception of the two place Super Cub. They can go back and look at the Aztec and it’ll make more sense to them.
Thanks Arthur. Here is a link we were sent by another viewer with more details on this crash.
joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
At first I thought this was a Twin Comanche, but I have to admit the cockpit air control panel appears to be from a Piper Aztec.
Hi Al. Another viewer sent us this link if you are interested.
joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
8:13 is a leading edge of a wing.
9:36.. Empty weight of whole aircraft is about 2,800#. Light for the size.
10:27 is control cable pulley guides. 13:30 another cable pulley/guide// Plane was wire controlled for surfaces (wing&tail)
!2:10 It was a low wing twin engine.
13:03.. are there any prefixes before the stamped numbers.. 3693? PA23.. PA27... Piper always had a P prefix to start that I know of
14:20 the switches is the cockpit area...
PA27 was a larger 6 seat plane. Early ones were called 'Apache', later to Aztec in late 60's/70's.. First produced in early 1950's.
17:17... Aileron... and flaps on the wing
19:23 most likely part of cabin or nose area... hard to tell with such small pieces.
The site from what I saw is pretty picked over... Most crashes like that only engines can be identified. If busted up bad wouldn't have been salvaged and pieces of engines would have been still around debris field.
We have a lot of military crash sites within 25 mile radius here... I'll send a link for military crash sites.
I'll get back to you... Pop is an FAA crash investigator I'll run video past him.
My Bad... I was incorrect on model I believe it was a Piper PA32 'Cherokee 6' in Wellington NV... Not shot down or any survivors.
Only crash in that area and time period of a Piper was December 28, 1968 - 38 28N 119 07W - Piper PA 32 - N4115R Blue/White - 3 Fatalities - Recovered 6/69.. You can research more from there.. aviation-safety.net/wikibase/13740
True, was a single engine.. The windows is what threw me off... Easier looking at whole plane than pieces..
That was a great video and very entertaining. Well done. Greetings from Arizona.
Glad you enjoyed it, Mike. If you'd like to read some info about the crash, one of our viewers sent us this link.
joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Thats right Andrea aluminium.LOL.....Y ou are living my dream... wonderful videos Thank you
Glad you enjoyed our explore. If you are interested, here is a link one of our viewers sent us about the crash. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Amazing these two occupants survived. Runn'in dope was always quite iffy.
We were really shocked to hear the real story and that they did walk away. Well kinda.
@@PinInTheAtlas Not sure how ya walk away with two broken legs. Even crawling would be extreme considering the landscape.
@@leesherman100 They had to be desperate to get away is all we can think.
This one had the optional fiberglass tip tanks ( 22 gal each )
It's an interesting video but fraught with inaccuracies. You should have brought someone along who understands aircraft and their various components. The aircraft you found, and based upon the serial number you found, was a Piper Aztec 250....Also, as one comment noted, you need to be more careful in remote areas with regard to rattle snakes under such things as wrecked aircraft components. Here are the details of the aircraft found as noted in FAA records of the serial number: PIPER PA-23-250 MCCULLOUGH DAVID J
PO BOX 205
CLEAR LAKE OAKS, CA 95423
With time, stories get exaggerated as you know, Jeffrey. Here is a link about this particular site that one of our viewers sent us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Prior to our explores, we do check for rattlesnakes and other things which may bite or sting. We just don't show all that on camera. But thank you for your concern.
The tubular bit is an exhaust shroud
I don't see how anyone survived that crash given how scattered it was. Very interesting.
Yes, we agree, crazy that did, right? With minor injuries to boot!!!
im thinking its a 2001 piper saratoga ll tc w/oxygen,regardless of reported date of story,the cabin part tag had a 2001 stamp on it!!!????????
Believe it ended up being a piper aztec Leroy. That was a strange coincidence on that tag!
Given the current state of the wreckage, it's hard to believe anyone survived this crash.
@@taproom113 it is hard to believe, but it is in fact true!
Piper planes have been made where I live in Vero Beach, Florida. Since 1961 they have been here. Interesting if maybe those serial numbers can be traced. I know a couple people and wi see what can be found out about this.
Good video guys.
Glad you enjoyed our adventure, Fredd. One of our viewers sent us this link about the crash site. They were drug runners and they did survive. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Hard to imagine someone would survive that wreckage but crazier things have happened. Thanks for posting this story.
I wouldn't be grabbing sharp metal pieces bare handed, out in the middle of nowhere, without LEATHER GLOVES. But then I'm a bit cautious. Also would be wary of rattle snakes seeking shade.
Thanks for your concern, we are cautious and before turning the camera on we did kick and check the pieces for any unwanted cameos! Here is a link we were sent about this crash if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Greeting again, and thanks for an interesting but rather macabre adventure. I have seen several explorations of small plane crash sites on you tube and they all rather look alike. That is, many scattered and varied remnants. Very fine presentation. CHEERS!
Thanks, Bubby. This was our first crash site explore, and we know nothing about planes lol. One of our viewers sent us this link if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas Many thanks for the link about the crash site information. That rather closes the circle about the intent of the flight and subsequent crash. It appears that quite a lot of remnants were either salvaged or taken for souvenirs prior to your arrival. It's hard to believe that anyone survived that crash only to be charged for criminal activity. CHEERS!
this airframe apears to be from a Piper Aztec that was built in 2001 and the tube piece is called a Augmenter tube that is part of the Engine exaust.
this is a six seat .twin engine aircraft.
Hi Rick, this is a link with more information about this crash that was sent to us. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
No more than 5 years old, sun would damage paint allot in 50 years.
Hi Dave, we were sent this link by another viewer that has more information about this crash and it is a little surprising. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
I would agree with you on the sun cooking everything!
SN 27-2001, Piper PA-23-250 Twin engine aircraft, FAA Registration Number: N5001Y. Certification Issued: 1976-08-24. Registration Cancel Date: 1978-01-18. Owner prior to deregistration from Clear Lakes Oaks, CA
I would just venture a guess that the 2001 in the serial number was year of manufacture. If so the drug runner angle would be busted as urban legend.
Hi Jeff. Apparently, it was a drug runner and the occupants did survive. Although the story has been embellished over the years. Here is a link which one of our viewers sent. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas Well glad the story is true. Don't really know much about planes but thought the serial number looked like the date, guess not.
@@PinInTheAtlas great link,sums it up I'd say.especially the shotgun shell.great contribution for the always asked questions by humans in the never ending quest to build opon or add to our knowledge of everything.or every event .
@@ericgriffinthefirst Thank you Eric, these myths seem to get bigger and bigger as the years go by. We are so glad, that with the help of our viewers we were able to get the real story.
It’s really hard to believe that people survived and walked 70 miles away to the nearest town.
@@bthomas6381 we know. Pretty crazy eh. But apparently they did just that according to the reports.
my bad pre 80s piper!!
6 seat twin piston engines low wing known for being a good load carriering abiliry
Probably why they used this type to carry their illegal cargo! Thanks for the info David.
I’m gonna say it’s an Aerostar, multi engine, mid wing.
What ever the reality of the crash it is very interesting to see the detail of the wreckage. And you do have a high video quality which makes it so easy to watch.
Thanks, Tommy. We only use an iPhone and edit on iMovies. No special software. We are learning all the time. If you are interested on finding out more about the crash site, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
No fire no fuel in the wreck. She ran out of gas.!
Hey folks. Looks like a toasty day indeed. I love Summer time. It can get hot at times back here in OZ. But how interesting is this sad plane crash? The desert still holds many secrets and still tells many tales I guess.l just love American & British history. Love it.Great vlog again folks. Thanks for sharing.Next time.👍🇦🇺😁❤️
Hi Greg. Yes, it sure gets hot "Down Under". I travelled around Oz for a couple of years working the Fruit Picking seasons. Just love Australia. We hope to do some explores there one day. Glad you enjoyed our "Pin". A viewer sent us this link explaining what really happened. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas Wow mate. That’s great to hear. Glad you had a great time in OZ. Stay safe.👍🇦🇺😁
Im like everyone else in this post that believes no one survived this crash! Interesting look at whats left though, thanks!
We thought the same, however, apparently the two did survive and they were drug runners by all accounts. Although the story has been embellished over the years. Here is a link someone sent us. Makes an interesting read. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas wow! thanks so much for the link! that is really an incredible story and they were very fortunate to have survived that!
Serial numbers usually date the parts manufacturer date. Looks like its a part from 2001
Apparently, it was a 1977 plane. the story has obviously been enhanced over the years, but here is a link which one of our viewers sent. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
Looks to be very clean and lacking rust I would expect for plane parts being out in the desert elements for 50+ years...
You would think so Chris. But the desert climate seems to preserve things better. One of our viewers sent us this link. Interesting read.
joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
That was of very small calibur, wouldnot have been shot down from any distance
Well, as you know stories over the years get a little spicier and a little taller until they become an urban legend. However a viewer sent us this link with some more accurate info on this crash if you are interested. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
I doubt if they lived. Story or not. The Aztec is a low wing, twin engine, aircraft and that thing is scattered all over the side of the hill. You can tell it was a twin because there are two of each control lever (Power, Prop RPM, and Mixture)
It just doesn't seem likely or possible for anyone to survive that kind of crash. Interesting site though. Scattering is probably from the crash, the wind, and scavengers.
You would think so. However, they did survive surprisingly enough. Check out this link a viewer sent us
Well…nobody walked away from that…and you clearly have no idea on what parts of an airplane you are looking at.
Yes, Jeff, you are right; we don't know what the parts are; we never said we did, so you don't have to be rude about it. I also suggest checking this link joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
They either miscalculated fuel usage or missed their landing point by flying in the dark. Now the plane was on a low decent, gliding without fuel it eventually ran out of air speed and was literally torn apart, if anyone had stayed in the plane they too would have been torn to bitts.
Treetop Flyers dance with death on every flight and always carry parachutes. My guess is they jumped but were trying to save the cargo and waited til the last possible moment, being at a low altitude the parachutes could still slow their speed enough to survive but the rocky terrain broke their legs. They even took the key, probably pulled it before they jumped so they could claim the plane was stolen. Running on Adrenalin and the Will to Survive they made it 9 miles to the nearest civilization...great work guys, keep digging this should be in a movie....
One of our viewers sent us this link. Very interesting. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
ideal place to find A/C type n model is the tail section look for a data plate approx 1.5 x 2.0-2.5
Very interesting story! I'm surprised there is no information about this crash!
I searched and searched online, even looking at the aviation crash site website, and found nothing. However, one of our viewers sent us this link. joeidoni.smugmug.com/Aircraft-Crash-Sites/Ty/
@@PinInTheAtlas well that clears up some misconceptions! Thanks for sharing the link! That was a lot of pot and very surprising that they walked/crawled out of the wreckage!