The reason the PD radar stops working is that it relies on enemy movement relative to the ground. If they are moving perpendicular to your approach the radar thinks aren't moving relative to the ground and they disappear due to the ground filter, this is what people mean by notching the radar. If an enemy is notching you, switch to TWS or regular scan and they should appear again as long as the ground clutter is minimal but then your radar can be tricked by chaff. PD radar is immune to chaff and ground clutter which is why it is so nice.
But even if the radar is tricked by chaff in regular scam the cw seeker head of the aim7f will still go for the plane instead of the chaff, since It can the the doppler effect even when not in pulse doppler mode, atleast that's how it works on the f4e phantom.
@@yeetmaster3360 That is correct, the AIM7 should have a doppler filter to ignore chaff. Although that only works if the launching plane maintains their lock and doesn't try switching targets while the missile is still en route.
Honestly you have just saved me i never knew it was on the F-4J and was suffering for about 90k research of the F-14A so you have probably just saved me tonnes of time with the grind. Thanks!
Love your videos Tank. I watched your F-5C review the other day and decided to buy it. Best decision I’ve made in this game so far. I grinded to the F-105D and down to the F-104 and the Sabres but it took to long. The F5 has made it EXPONENTIALLY faster. Especially since I wanna unlock every single plane in every tree starting with USA. Thank you for the great videos man, keep it up.
Of all the premium US planes I bought, the F5c is really my favorite. It may not be the best at anything, but it's great at a lot of things. I would love to see Gaijin add drop tanks to it though!
@@lucvkl Thank you. I have a good amount of fun playing War Thunder. I’m obsessed with airplanes so being able to fly my favorites in a game is great. I do crazy stuff to try and get kills. F-5c just allows me to be even crazier and I love it
@@tonyovermyer5368 same here with the drop tanks. I love using it mostly cause people see F-5Cs as free kills. Most of the time they are and so am I😅but I’m not completely crap. Grinded to jets before getting it. I really hope they add more modern F-5s.
Good luck, the grind will slow down for rank 8 planes with the f-5c. I did the grind without it, takes ages. Ngl tho, taking a dump on f-5c’s with my A-5c is the most fun I’ve had in war thunder
13:07 Its the same garbage with the head-ons when you completely annihilate the enemy, he crashes into you and he gets the kill on you but it says he suicided.
Head on? You’re basically begging for a collision. It blows my mind at how many people I see going for head ons like they don’t have a brain. That’s a dumb tactic. I can determine low iq players just by watching them approach and the head on guys are by far the lowest iqs.
Good to see you're also correct in saying HMS and not HMD. So far we ONLY have HMS (helmet mounted sight), no HMD's (helmet mounted display). The difference is simply the display version, well, displays information such as airspeed, selected weapon, shoot queue, G-pull, and so on, the HMS is simply a sight and nothing more.
Been loving the changes to the F-4J and feel she sits fine at 11.3. Don't remember a game where I haven't climbed in it. The BVR capability is really strong. Generally like to go to about 6000m to maximize the Aim-7F's and the PD radar. Even in the event of encountering F-14's, F-16's, or Mig-29's as my opponent. If I see I'm unable to kill them before they would me, I can just notch and trash any missile they throw at me. Bonus tactic if I turn in just enough to bait another radar missile from them that could have gone to a friendly.
Ah, I remember this flavour of brick. I remember the pain of flying this thing during the reign of the tomcats. It then took a turn for the worse when my grind extended to the time F-16s and Mig-29s showed up. Though they were rare, the Downtiers this Phantom got were absolute steam rolls. An F-4E flight model with the second best radar an F-4 variant could have combined with devastating sparrows and room still for enough ordinance to take two bases.
Why no use of the radar ACQ mode with HMD? I realize it's kinda tricky to use in that you have to press the ACQ/BVR key twice to get into the HMD mode but still that's quite useful in my experience.
yes i have shot down a missile in flight and i have missiled other missiles. my gun kill against the missile was in something like an a 10 or maybe the su 25 i dont remember which but i had gun pods and everything attached and just got lucky. I actually sometimes can semi-reliably spoof enemy missiles by shooting them down with mine in vehicles that lack flare.
Hi Tankenstien, could you make a video about your WT keybindings layout? I find it difficult when I am assigning new keys. It's so hard to find some empty or at least non-colliding key.
I would, but I will tell you this - my keybindings are absolutely terrible. They make no sense and would likely not only make other people worse, but they would also get me laughed out of the War Thunder community, haha. I have so many buttons that have like 3-4 other uses that it's ridiculous
I just use default keybinds and bind certain things to somewhere closer to my left or right hand. I.e. My missile lock is 1, fire is 2, pitch up and down is the two buttons on the side of my mouse, and F raises flaps and G lowers them for those rare cases I need takeoff or even landing flaps in a fight. Just gotta do what makes you most comfortable.
My controls are best imo 1,2,3,4,5 for radar controls X for lock Space to drop bombs / fire missile R to change missile Top side mouse button for flares Bottom side mouse button for radar lock G gear Brackets for different flaps levels Backspace for wing sweep activate and INS and DEL for sweep WASD for control SHIFT and CTRL for throttle
You can slave 9G's and better IR seekers to radar. I've gotten multiple double aces using this feature and hardly any videos on it. Edit: this was covered at 9:43.
“I have never seen that before” that’s just the F4J experience ever since they added the F16 the F4J has felt really weird for some reason like the PD radar will all the sudden lose lock in a head on and the aim7fs are not flying true towards the enemy and are acting like they are bugged for some reason could just be me but whenever I fly this play really weird things begin to happen
@Tankenstein Responding to the part where you destroyed the missile with your gun. I think 2 patches back my friend and I were flying/ working together I had someone on my tail that launched a missile and just as i saw that Red star fresh off his rails, my team mate destroyed the enemy with a missile, and the Red Star was gone. Think of top gun maverick when Rooster and Maverick were saved by hangman... Yeah, that was that moment. I still have the clip of it too.
Not to say that you didn't destroy that missile with your cannons cuz that might have happened but I have encountered a bug where I would go to shoot missiles against the enemy in front of me and all four would shoot and explode
F-14 didn’t have a helmet mounted sight outside a few prototype versions so they don’t get it. USA doesn’t get HMS again until JHMCS comes along in the 90’s. That said JHMS is amazing and far better than anything the Russian have even today
I made this thing millions of times and do it again and again. Funny to shot down their missiles and see them boom by their missiles cuz of explosion, so kill count is mine hehehe. Also on arcade it’s funny to destroy their missiles on props hehehe
It makes me incredibly sad that the F-5C, which is a pay to win jet, doesn't have better missiles than the AIM-9E's. They don't pull well (only 10 g's) and they're easily flared away, even with afterburner on. You only really get people who aren't paying attention with those. Some AIM-9L'S would be appreciated. It only gets 2 of them anyway, so it'd be nice if they were better, since jets of a similar BR have them.
Nah the F5C is busted. Good flight model and performance. The poor F4C doesn’t have its countermeasures, nor the historical Aim-7Es. So you can get a buff on your F5C when the Phantom is modeled correctly
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The reason the PD radar stops working is that it relies on enemy movement relative to the ground. If they are moving perpendicular to your approach the radar thinks aren't moving relative to the ground and they disappear due to the ground filter, this is what people mean by notching the radar. If an enemy is notching you, switch to TWS or regular scan and they should appear again as long as the ground clutter is minimal but then your radar can be tricked by chaff. PD radar is immune to chaff and ground clutter which is why it is so nice.
How do you switch without unlocking and locking back on? I try to switch while locked and it didn’t work for me
@@Twenty2246 only f-14 has that capability
But even if the radar is tricked by chaff in regular scam the cw seeker head of the aim7f will still go for the plane instead of the chaff, since It can the the doppler effect even when not in pulse doppler mode, atleast that's how it works on the f4e phantom.
@@yeetmaster3360 That is correct, the AIM7 should have a doppler filter to ignore chaff. Although that only works if the launching plane maintains their lock and doesn't try switching targets while the missile is still en route.
Honestly you have just saved me i never knew it was on the F-4J and was suffering for about 90k research of the F-14A so you have probably just saved me tonnes of time with the grind. Thanks!
I want a "None too shabby" video with just like 12 mins of you saying "none too shabby"
Why do people ask for the most random shit
@@joshkilluminadi7158 it’s funny
@@joshkilluminadi7158 If you have to ask, then you cant afford it. *sunglasses*
Or turn it into an In game decal.
@@garethaustin1671 this, 1000x this
Love how he is energetic and truly enjoys making vids.
“WHAT DID I JUST DESTROY HIS MISSLE WITH MY GUN”
True joy right there that makes me happy😊
It makes me happy to see players that truly try to have fun with this game, so many people take it way too seriously.
@@XplodePlayz4 4 months later yup
Love your videos Tank. I watched your F-5C review the other day and decided to buy it. Best decision I’ve made in this game so far. I grinded to the F-105D and down to the F-104 and the Sabres but it took to long. The F5 has made it EXPONENTIALLY faster. Especially since I wanna unlock every single plane in every tree starting with USA. Thank you for the great videos man, keep it up.
oh man
good luck with that objective, just remember to have fun, i myself bought the f5c, and it is LITERALLY everything i could have ever wanted
Of all the premium US planes I bought, the F5c is really my favorite. It may not be the best at anything, but it's great at a lot of things. I would love to see Gaijin add drop tanks to it though!
@@lucvkl Thank you. I have a good amount of fun playing War Thunder. I’m obsessed with airplanes so being able to fly my favorites in a game is great. I do crazy stuff to try and get kills. F-5c just allows me to be even crazier and I love it
@@tonyovermyer5368 same here with the drop tanks. I love using it mostly cause people see F-5Cs as free kills. Most of the time they are and so am I😅but I’m not completely crap. Grinded to jets before getting it. I really hope they add more modern F-5s.
Good luck, the grind will slow down for rank 8 planes with the f-5c. I did the grind without it, takes ages. Ngl tho, taking a dump on f-5c’s with my A-5c is the most fun I’ve had in war thunder
13:07 Its the same garbage with the head-ons when you completely annihilate the enemy, he crashes into you and he gets the kill on you but it says he suicided.
Head on? You’re basically begging for a collision. It blows my mind at how many people I see going for head ons like they don’t have a brain. That’s a dumb tactic. I can determine low iq players just by watching them approach and the head on guys are by far the lowest iqs.
Finally got this jet... The stock grind is really painful but at least I now have Aim 9Gs and flares which destroys in a downtier
Good to see you're also correct in saying HMS and not HMD. So far we ONLY have HMS (helmet mounted sight), no HMD's (helmet mounted display). The difference is simply the display version, well, displays information such as airspeed, selected weapon, shoot queue, G-pull, and so on, the HMS is simply a sight and nothing more.
Been loving the changes to the F-4J and feel she sits fine at 11.3. Don't remember a game where I haven't climbed in it. The BVR capability is really strong. Generally like to go to about 6000m to maximize the Aim-7F's and the PD radar. Even in the event of encountering F-14's, F-16's, or Mig-29's as my opponent. If I see I'm unable to kill them before they would me, I can just notch and trash any missile they throw at me. Bonus tactic if I turn in just enough to bait another radar missile from them that could have gone to a friendly.
Ah, I remember this flavour of brick. I remember the pain of flying this thing during the reign of the tomcats. It then took a turn for the worse when my grind extended to the time F-16s and Mig-29s showed up.
Though they were rare, the Downtiers this Phantom got were absolute steam rolls. An F-4E flight model with the second best radar an F-4 variant could have combined with devastating sparrows and room still for enough ordinance to take two bases.
Thanks Tankster, good watch, I always enjoy the Phantom.
If only ground RB could make the RP you can make on air RB.
Why no use of the radar ACQ mode with HMD? I realize it's kinda tricky to use in that you have to press the ACQ/BVR key twice to get into the HMD mode but still that's quite useful in my experience.
Actually I found it only useful in very specific cases, mainly when at stall speed.
F4S previewed as upcoming prem. Quick wiki search says F4S=F4J with agile eagle upgrade seen on the F4E and smokeless engines...
yes i have shot down a missile in flight and i have missiled other missiles. my gun kill against the missile was in something like an a 10 or maybe the su 25 i dont remember which but i had gun pods and everything attached and just got lucky. I actually sometimes can semi-reliably spoof enemy missiles by shooting them down with mine in vehicles that lack flare.
I aways arm IR missiles in a headon. Even the humble 9B can countermissile, and you lose nothing unless you lock and fire
Hi Tankenstien, could you make a video about your WT keybindings layout? I find it difficult when I am assigning new keys. It's so hard to find some empty or at least non-colliding key.
I would, but I will tell you this - my keybindings are absolutely terrible. They make no sense and would likely not only make other people worse, but they would also get me laughed out of the War Thunder community, haha. I have so many buttons that have like 3-4 other uses that it's ridiculous
I just use default keybinds and bind certain things to somewhere closer to my left or right hand. I.e. My missile lock is 1, fire is 2, pitch up and down is the two buttons on the side of my mouse, and F raises flaps and G lowers them for those rare cases I need takeoff or even landing flaps in a fight. Just gotta do what makes you most comfortable.
My controls are best imo
1,2,3,4,5 for radar controls
X for lock
Space to drop bombs / fire missile
R to change missile
Top side mouse button for flares
Bottom side mouse button for radar lock
G gear
Brackets for different flaps levels
Backspace for wing sweep activate and INS and DEL for sweep
WASD for control
SHIFT and CTRL for throttle
@@Denkmaldrubernacht I might give that a try. That’s seems like it’d slap.
Curious why you only brought 2 aim7fs? I generally run 5, but I don't see any reason not to run at least 4.
unfortunetly its impossible to play this thing due to constant uptiers to 12.0 at the moment.
Are you using a head mounted system to use the HMD?
Bro you got so excited, that was a missile kill! that is like a Robinhood while shooting my arrow into another arrow, about a 1 in a million.
I’m watching this to prep for the F4S!! So excited! It’s gonna make grinding US fun! :D
You can slave 9G's and better IR seekers to radar. I've gotten multiple double aces using this feature and hardly any videos on it.
Edit: this was covered at 9:43.
please make a video on how you set up controls to use the radar modes on this plane correctly
I think the f16 has a hit box the size of a sewing needle eye. Its like the tracers go through with not "hits" or "critical hits".
Your a very proud streamer haha aren’t you? I can hear that inner competitive spirit each video/
“I have never seen that before” that’s just the F4J experience ever since they added the F16 the F4J has felt really weird for some reason like the PD radar will all the sudden lose lock in a head on and the aim7fs are not flying true towards the enemy and are acting like they are bugged for some reason could just be me but whenever I fly this play really weird things begin to happen
Yeah the AIM 7F feels like a heatseeking missile now that just requires radar lock to launch.. its really weird
7f is bugged
@Tankenstein
Responding to the part where you destroyed the missile with your gun. I think 2 patches back my friend and I were flying/ working together I had someone on my tail that launched a missile and just as i saw that Red star fresh off his rails, my team mate destroyed the enemy with a missile, and the Red Star was gone. Think of top gun maverick when Rooster and Maverick were saved by hangman... Yeah, that was that moment. I still have the clip of it too.
share it
@@viperdruid Ill upload it today when I get home
@@viperdruid ruclips.net/video/Tdz3bF2hC18/видео.html
Oh man that was absolutely binoculars!
Good for VR?
Yes. The helmet mounted sight will feel amazing
I’m starting to see exactly why your name is “TANK”enstein. Really good with tanks but got a lot to learn about modern aircraft.
You can do the same with missiles too, but you have to fly in a straight line or the other will maneuver causing yours to miss
Didnt they add this like a while ago this is the whole reason thee f4j is one of my fav plane(but im biased cos i love me some phantoms)
Not to say that you didn't destroy that missile with your cannons cuz that might have happened but I have encountered a bug where I would go to shoot missiles against the enemy in front of me and all four would shoot and explode
How do you get the Air to Air missile cam to work my game won't do it anymore
I once got a missile kill with a missle. So yeah ive seen it happen before but its really rare
I played much f4j and got about 10 Matches downtier for 200 Matches and The other full Up tier
I have had the whole missile kills missile causing the enemy to "kill themself" but only once.
Gunning the missile is a good tactic for head on stuff
You can also shoot your own rockets, I found this out on a premium f4u I think, I held mf and fired rockets and killed my self
F-4J Phantom II.
Good video bro 💪, keep at it.
I love this plane...i like it better then f14 and f16.
🧢
@@jk0619 He “likes” it better, doesn’t mean it’s better than the f16 and f14
Learn to read
Great vid man keep it up!
hey why do you only use 2 aim7f instead of 4???
I rarely get the chance to use all four. I use them as an entryway into a dogfight rather than as a standoff weapon.
@@Tankenstein but isn't it still better to take 4? Will not taking 2 increase enough performance to matter
How do you use the missile cam?
By default U activates ordinance tracking. Bombs,rockets,missiles, torpedoes etc can be followed with cam till they die
be nice if someone made low tier videos for beginners unless are there older videos?
I've got quite a few low tier gameplay/guides
I have a question why does the F14 have this because I don’t know that well about this stuff
F-14 didn’t have a helmet mounted sight outside a few prototype versions so they don’t get it. USA doesn’t get HMS again until JHMCS comes along in the 90’s. That said JHMS is amazing and far better than anything the Russian have even today
@T M Thanks for telling me this
sweet vid, kinda unsure the use of the helmet things but 😂
Where did he get that skin? It just looks soooooo slick
It's always been available. Best part is that it only costs 200 GE
@@Tankenstein thanks m8
Yeah like 2 or 3 weeks ago I also shot a head on missile out of the sky😂
8:38 wtf are you doing? You don't see two other people going for him?
I made this thing millions of times and do it again and again. Funny to shot down their missiles and see them boom by their missiles cuz of explosion, so kill count is mine hehehe. Also on arcade it’s funny to destroy their missiles on props hehehe
Been doing better in this thanks the f16/14
I've shot down a missile before it was cool
Yes I shot a aim 7f at a dude and he killed the missile and me.
Uno reversed you?
Im fan but your gameplay hurts my eyes
HMS isnt much of an improvement.
With other types of missiles, like R-60s and, eventually, R-73s, it's awesome. With the AIM-9Gs on the F-4J, it helps, but typically isn't incredible.
It makes me incredibly sad that the F-5C, which is a pay to win jet, doesn't have better missiles than the AIM-9E's. They don't pull well (only 10 g's) and they're easily flared away, even with afterburner on. You only really get people who aren't paying attention with those. Some AIM-9L'S would be appreciated. It only gets 2 of them anyway, so it'd be nice if they were better, since jets of a similar BR have them.
Nah the F5C is busted. Good flight model and performance. The poor F4C doesn’t have its countermeasures, nor the historical Aim-7Es. So you can get a buff on your F5C when the Phantom is modeled correctly
Gaijin has heard your complaint and come up with a solution. Premium F4 next patch with AIM9H and AIM7F
Fly the f-5 E
@@areyou0k98 I don't have it unlocked yet or I would be
Hmm is a gimmick
first
I've got a long way to go to the F-4J. Still in rank V :(
You sound echoey