Yeah, remember the days where Musco first took over and we got Iokath leaked? Only to be disappointed with 1 boss... Its baffling to me this game is going through the same cycle, the same arguments AGAIN. Like... the fellas who remember... did they all quit?
Objection: The Jedi under siege and the Onslaught were pretty good. Another piece of the pre-Swtor era. Legacies of Ossus and Onderon .... those things made me happy. The continued "expansions", yes. Malgus gone crazy again. 5 minute video per 3-6 months. Mando civ wars - meh. The Ecoes of Oblivion and Manaan content were the only goodies.
I think this video should have been titled "What's Killing SWTOR's Influencer Program?" In my opinion a game's community is its players, which of course includes its influencers (as long as they're playing the game). Snave talked about the problems he saw with the game but most everybody else focused on the problems with their relationship with SWTOR's community manager.
I think it's reasonably obvious what's killing SWTOR's Community. Being dripfed an hour of content every 4-10 months where a majority of the focus is on the Cartel Market (where we don't even get original sets anymore, just "inspired by" sets that are just exact 1-to-1 copies of outfits from Relevant Disney+ Shows). I think it really says a lot that the current story we're on (That, mind you, has progressed approximately nowhere since it started) has been going on for 5 years now is astounding, and it doesn't sound like it's coming to a close any time too soon. That said, it's not all terrible news. The graphical updates, and attempts to port to Mac systems are a good step to show that Broadsword at least has no interest in letting the game die, it's just clear they haven't got a massive Dev Team working behind them, and can only take things at a certain pace the way things are. (Which is still difficult to really believe given the profit SWTOR has to be making EA for them to keep it around)
They desperately need quarterly story updates. It astounds me that that is the #1 request from the player base, yet seems to be the lowest item on their priority list.
SWTOR needs new writers and new "creative" people. Some of the devs are the type of people that are toxic in their personal social media and are overly critical of random issues - but if you are critical to them then YOU are wrong. Thats issue number 1 imo. You've got to get rid of people like that because they want to make the community platform their personal domain where they rule based off their personal biases. The leadership needs to step up and be leaders and make those hard decisions to let these devs go and seek individuals who have passion about swtor and can seperate their personal views from creating great content for gamers.
@ I liked going through the Revan and Emperor storylines but then I tried FFXIV It’s so hard going back in SWTOR after that SWTOR makes me feel like I’m on a Pentium 4 PC
@@Aviriia you should do a video like that, it’s still an MMO after all It’s too bad FF has the old style subscription method, stop paying and you’re locked out, that’s why I always keep a trial account around lol
For community, just host contests with rewards like a costume or a sub. For content, just add another class, it doesn't matter how impossible it is, find a way and do it. For story, don't hire writers, too expensive just host a competition, "Write what you wanna see." By doing these 3 things whilst combining what they've been doing passively and they would guarantee a successful year, but what is ending SWTOR has always been the defeat of the idea of adding something in and every time someone suggests something, they say nope can't do it... What are they even paid for then?
Simply put, the developers of SWTOR live in fantasyland. I'm sick of Musco and Jackie talking about how awesome things are, while all of us watching their livestreams prevent ourselves from falling over laughing... Cartel market items aren't what people are after, it's GAME PLAY. Duhh. It is absolute INSANITY that their team can congratulate themselves on a regular basis when their output, once every 6 months or so, is absolutely miniscule compared to most other MMOs on the market.
SWTOR is the greatest Star Wars game of all time. Dont listen to these grifters. There are no current Star Wars shows to hate on, so theyre hating on SWTOR now.
@@TheJediSagewe still havent recovered from axolyte ahspka and the sequels. But that doesnt matter. Swtor needs help. We love swtor. Thats why we say how to save it.
@@Gamerznation704 7.6 was a massive flop riddled with bugs and devs barely acknowledging it. Hardly any new content while they focus a lot on increasing Cartel prices and copy/paste stuff. Might aswell play GW2, least gameplay is better and you unlock dyes instead of buying over and over. Game is more or less stable but fine isn't the word.
@ Its fine. All of the stuff your mentioning doesn't make the game not fine from an enjoyment aspect. I hop in, enjoy my time with star wars and roleplay and I hop out. Pretty simple.
I was a heavy RPer on this game, and it makes me sad to see that the community has gotten so toxic that they practically bullied any remnants of RPers off of the game or into hiding with very few good RP guild being left in the game. Makes me sad to see bc I use to love coming home and hopping on to RP with friends to one day finding out that they all had left the game bc of toxicity towards them for simply being RPers and doing what they found fun.
@@mmmaiamm3078 90% of the time it was not done in general chat it was done in say chat like any good RPer would do. Ppl just loved coming up to them and bullying them for no good reason other than just be douchebags to ppl just trying to enjoy their time
So, swtorista is a content creator for swtor, that explains her positivity. I stumbled on Star Wars Central's channel one month ago (if I remember correctly) and thought that the devs were cool with some validly raised points. I had no idea the situation was this bad. Though it's nice seeing you getting together to spread information about the issues of the game.
Dont be a sucker. These people just want ad clicks, like the rest of the hate on Star Wars ad click industry on RUclips. If you like the game and have enjoyed yourself, dont let these grifters take that away from you and tell you how to think. This is all full blown bullshit.
@@kungfu390 Both her and SWC have a long way to go from earning anything from ads (that's why big channels get sponsorships, on top of YT monetization), that's not even counting youtube's bipolar disorder on what content can and cannot be monetized. I haven't yet played the game, I'm studying 6 hours a week for university, but for what I've seen and read online (including their own forums), the game is really not doing great. And yes, I will try it as soon as I've got some time. Besides, I'm not spending any (currency)/month for a subscription to any videogame.
@@matteo_z Don’t worry people have bad opinions on topics they are oblivious too. Anytime someone’s sees a video they don’t like or agree with “you did this for clicks” becomes their go to argument. Can confirm that making SWTOR based content yields VERY little revenue. My highest ever month was $900 and that was all from lore videos, not opinion videos. Those earn literal pennies. These people think we are gearing up to put deposits on lambos and buy a mansion 😂
@@swcentral Conversely, there's people who do in-fact ragebait people with the purpose of doing exactly that. The reason "You did this for clicks" is such a prevalent sentiment is because an extremely large percentage of content creators do. For every one legitimate channel there's 29 (I'm being hyperbolic here) that copy videos and slam a title on it that is designed to be polarizing in some fasion. Also, saying that someone doesn't have a community large enough (or the potential for ad revenue) for it to matter is disingenuous, the entire point is to increase that community size; and ragebait is effective at doing that. Even if it weren't - it's a tactic that is applied for that purpose, regardless if it's successful or not. Personally, I think the actual 'state' of the game is somewhere in between the extremes. I don't think it's dying or 'being killed' at the rate some people are implying it is, nor do I think the game is perfect or beyond reproach. Honestly, the major problem; is that people forgot how to be sensible and they immediately jump from one extreme to the other with no regard to anything in between. It's either perfect, or a dumpster fire. Those are the only two options for a large swathe of society. I'm not defending the devs here, but the game is Old. Incredibly Old. They aren't going to risk sinking any more money on a game that lost it's popularity a decade ago, then they absolutely have to. It's just not going to happen. People need to curb their expectations.
something that always bugged me with the story campaigns is its inconsistency. For Non force users, half the classes, fighting Revan and the Emperor+ his fam as a smuggler or mandalorian felt out of place af. For force classes, after beating the emperor, revan, arcann, etc, you should be crazy OP. Story wise. You're essentially the chosen one of the Old Republic. You shouldn't struggle fighting mandalorians, padawans, etc. And people should fear you. Instead you're treated as just a run of the mill jedi/sith that your enemies don't respect.
Yeah they shouldve made expansions for shooters and expansions for force users seperatly. Doesnt make any sense this way. My trooper isnt gonna take on the most powerful being on galactic history and even get to shoot. And probably one of the most powerful other beings in history ( sith inquisitor, jedi consular if you doent sac their powers ) wouldnt NOT struggle against some mandalorians. Not even the worrior or knight would as just very strong, but not op characters. Hell a regular jedi mastar xould take on those stuck up mandalorians.... But here we are. I tzibk we re too fsr in. They womt seperate it, the damage id done. I think they should just focuss on the allience and go back to regular wars, where the individusl power of the Player character doesnt shine THAAAT much in focuss.
I left swtor in September 2023 after playing since launch. I went to FF14 and il be honest its night and day. It feels so different to play a game whete you can tell the devs care. Swtor just feels like its floating along now so the cartel market can milk the players dry till the game shuts down.
careful that's the honeymoon phase talking here, until Endwalker you'll have a really good ride. However, Dawntrail ? Massive nose dive and when you'll get to endgame, you'll see the cracks and repetitivity... you should get at least a hundred hours of gameplay though
I'm honestly shocked to see all those names in the title. I mean, it was quite surprising to see SWCentral kicked out of the creator program back in the day, but nowadays they've kicked literally everyone? I guess the change to Broadsword is not helping at all if you leave the management be from the same group. Though I'm not sure how they're planning to go on with no content creators at all. Absolutely refreshing to see the community united though even if that's in opposition to the game's official position. xD A little off topic, but Tbh that's the same thing we saw with the Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merger when the McDonnell Douglas management starrted to nail the coffin of the Boeing company. Which didn't end well. Sad to see so much censorship and totalitarian regimes in companies (and even more so in governments, but that's another story) around in our world.
It almost feels like an ''us'' vs ''them''. Instead of reuniting the community they want to see it divided because we dont fit their vision in our feedback. It's stupid, but sadly the crazy truth.
@@Aviriia hmm. Tried to post a reply but for some reason it sends ok but then disappears. Do you have a comment moderation turn on or something similar? Though I fail to see what might have triggered automatic filters in the comment. Only if it's something like "comments get posted" only after they're approved by the channel owner. Shouldn't be over the character limit since that's a 10 000 character and the comment was less than 2500. Upd this posted ok Upd2. Edited the original comment in below and it's not disappearing so doesn't seem like automatic filtration flagging it. But if try to post it as a reply it disappears. Lol, what. At that point it's like "there are two opinions: the one the devs share and the wrong one". So yep, a clear confrontation. I can even kinda understand them doing that to content creators even though I don't agree with that because that's not going to immediately hit them in terms of profit. In the long run though that's a totally different story since reducing an amount of media coverage is generally not healthy for a project running on a subscription model. However neglecting the content which should be there KEEPING THE PLAYERS PAYING is absolutely mind-blowing to me. Like we sadly see no financial reports from them but I have a hard time believing selling CM items gets more money than keeping the PvP playerbase happy (and therefore renewing the subscription) which is relatively easy or at least easier than developing story updates which understandably take more money to produce. Also about banning people on streams - that definitely should result in financial losses since even they are not expecting a banned player if they were subbed to renew that sub. That should be obvious and as such that behavior is absolutely unexplainable. There's as well the fact that for some reason they are reluctant to admit WHY they're delaying stuff. Players kinda deserve to know. They want to cover it up? What's the point in hiding it from players lol. I can kinda understand not wanting to take that to higher ups in EA but for some reason I doubt those delays aren't explained in their internal communication. Why the silent treatment for players. Not like that information is gonna get lost because for it to get lost you need to at least get the playerbase attention to something else, yet they're not doing even that. I stopped playing about 1.5 year ago and when I decided to go check out what has happened since that about a month ago it took me errr 1 minute to scroll through all the patch notes and news to the point I remember from the time I was playing? Okaaaay. In conclusion I can't see logic in those actions. I remember they kinda tried to justify player bans on the actions of solely one moderator back in... err whenever the gods master mode discussion was happening after another delay but now it's obvious even to the blind that this course of action is a deliberate company policy. At that point I'm not even sure that they themselves understand what and why they're doing. Or the fact that they have any unity inside the team. Upd3: tried to reply to myself with the original comment above. It disappeared. I give up, I have no idea what's going on.
Asking these people about the content creator program is dumb because that has nothing to do with the decline of the game. Even if they worked with everyone and were 100% transparent, the game would still be in a sh!t place because there's no new content and the previous content is becoming antiquated with each year that passes.
Personally for me it went down hill after original content with class story, to me that was the gold standard. I didn't like when most new content slowly started to feel more like doing flashpoints also didn't like when we started to be this big person that was going to fix everything all the time, I liked it more with class stories where we were part of some slightly bigger story and play one important part but were not the center piece. I still come by from time to time play a little but I don't have any interest in anything but OG class stories really.
I stepped into swtor Christmas eve of 2011! And with all this play time in it's hard to think of any add done for this game. Only thing I can recall was that Flash Mob in Time Square! Second was the end of class storyline, this was what kept me wanting to play way back when it's was the only thing to do!
bruh i just started playing the game like 2 days ago and the first thing i saw was some guy having a mental breakdown in chat over this swtorista person 💀
I was there when you made your good by video after Legacy of the Sith expansion came out and that was truly a sad day. I agree with you and everyone else that spoke about various issues. Lets hope for the best. May the Force be with you all 🙂
I have no idea if anyone else will ever see this but here we go. I was there day one of the game. I started raiding when Eternity Vault was the only raid in the game. I endured some of the games darkest moments and celebrated their best achievements. I was deeply attached to and addicted to this game for over a decade. And then 7.0 completely broke me and I walked away from the game. Two hours of new story, a trickled out new raid, overly difficult Flashpoints (one thing I've learned in this game is that the PUG community isn't well suited for anything beyond mind numbing easy) and a overly complicated and drawn out new gearing system to redo endgame content that I had been doing for years. I took a look at the new gearing system and just logged off, uninstalled the game, and moved on. Recently I was thinking about coming back to redo the class stories one more time but hearing about how the dev team has turned into an absolute shit show has got me wanting to go ahead and uninstall again after installing it to redo the story content. SWTOR had the potential to be great and was squandered with inept direction and leadership.
They created a huge game with so many options, characters and voice actors, then they could not keep up the same energy. This is the reason. People have seen the class stories, got impressed by them, then see how they are forced to slam together the classes into one outlander or commander or whatever title, then they are unable to create content which fits both a Jedi and Smuggler, Republic soldier and Sith lord. Of course the game will be dying when no resources are provided to the game and the dev team refuse to listen to the players. They do not have the resources to write two different stories for the Empire and Republic. This worked with the whole Imperial fleet refueling thing since you would go to the same planets in order to support the other side, but now with Sa'har, it's a joke. A sith can't turn her to the dark side since that requires more work than just fighting for a different accent of people.
I fully support it. Although I was delighted with the addition and rate it 9/10 (-1 point for bugs and several boring chapters that lead to nothing, like the chapter with Satele, in order to show it for 1 chapter and remove her from the plot), but the fact that they shoved each class into one narrative…. This caused many absurd moments. For example, you, being not a force user, destroy crowds of force users. What can I say, you are locked in a small room with Arcann and you still defeat him with one blaster. (Lol, that's simply impossible). I started DLC for the smuggler and realized that I simply could not watch what was happening on the screen. I had to go through everything again as JK so that my actions would not break the logic. It would be great if, playing as a soldier, you were not the commander of the alliance, but one of the generals who helps the alliance in special tasks. It would be great if, playing as a smuggler, you would help the alliance with supplies and not deal with all this nonsense with the destruction of legions of force users. The main expansion would be exclusively for JK, SW, Inquisitor and Sorcerer. Even the same inquisitor and sorcerer could be sent to help the alliance in training the force, helping Sana-rei. Lol there are literally 4 characters in our command post that are perfect for special tasks of certain classes, but instead we just bring them boxes from Heroic and nothing else
@meowmurr7012 That's what I mean. They had to make different stories for force users and non force users, but could not. Like that one time when you are on Odessen and you create a weapon balanced in the force or something, and you just make a blaster. And I really liked the two expansions, but they brought with them so manny story issues I don't know if it was worth it. It's just a mess with the story at the moment. And I won't even start talking about the fact that if you spare him, you literally have the former Zakuulian Emperor as a companion, and there is no storyline or comments about this from anybody because dark players killed him.
For me, I've played since launch and now more than ever regular players are not acknowledged. Nowhere is that more obvious than the Twitch livestream. Charles and Musco would often comment on funny posts in chat or address comments made but now it all feels like its pre-recorded. CHAT IS IGNORED. In game the story is so slow I have lost all interest. The 8 classes and their companions used to feel unique now you don't really need alts - the new updates are one size fits all. If you look at how they want you to craft new augments it just looks boring as hell and I don't need a second job. I hope things change because I'm not paying roughly €150 per year anymore when we are being drip fed rubbish and when you speak on the forums you get warning emails. Love all you guys and thanks for the video.
It was great seeing and hearing some of the old timer content creators. Oh swtor, what you could have been! Thanks Avi for the video, looked like a really fun collab!!
@@kungfu390 last I saw his views are down since moving away from swtor on his channel. Why move to something that gets you less views? He didn’t seem get caught up in drama that often. If at all
Noble did what most content creators should have done years ago. Deleted social media and moved on with life and make videos about what they actually like.. I respect him for that. He seems happier now and his new content is actually interesting. Snave is the shit 🔥🔥🔥🔥 love seeing him back SW central always had critical things to say, but he’s rarely wrong, just blunt. Which I think gets mistaken for drama Swtor angels… eh take it or leave it Boomy is probably the only person I watch now consistently and he’s still positive but critical.
The voice actor strike is the only reason I forgive them the lack of story content this december. But: Riding on that Hidden Chain/Nul storyline for so many years annoys me! We need the Galactic War back in the focus! I love this game, dudes. But even I am tempted to give up and move on.
Whats killing the SWTOR community... Maybe it has something to do with the fact there is no content? No new classes, no M+, nothing that makes anyone want to play the game. WoW releases new xpacs every 18 months these days. And no: new cartel market items are not content. Well, maybe for EA.
I'll always love the game, but something went terribly wrong with the release of main story content. I think the expansions were never as good as the original three chapters, but things fell off even worse after KOTET. We've been stuck in an endless loop of "Malgus is about to do something. Any minute now. Any minute now. Just you wait, Malgus is going to do something!" since.... 2018, is that right?
This combination of people is awesome pls do this more often. You people speak the truth and will not hide the hard facts of this game. Thank you all for your time
Let me start off first with saying I'm still rooting for this game. There are a lot of ppl in these comments calling others haters and grifters... I see a lot of passionate players who can see the potential this game has and just how badly this game has been managed over YEARS. Some might say it more flavorful than others, but hey, it's a freaking yt comment section. Anways heres a few of my thoughts on the game if anyone cares. They need to revise and polish their existing FPs, and OPs add more incentives to run them like farmable cosmetics, mounts, pets, etc. (Theres some but few and lackluster at best). The chapter based content of KOTFE was awesome IMO adding replayability with uping the difficulty. There is so much focus on CM items & half-assed "story content" when they game still has so many performance flaws. Yes, they're improving some things here and there, but they have been long overdue and still seem to be turning a blind eye to some things. The individual focused classed story was amazing and hooked so many of us. Nothing has been done with that in how long now? Revamp / make NEW seasonal events. IDK, the list can go on and on, but once again, this is a yt comment section, so what's the point. I'll end with this... if the Devs would actually listen to the constructive criticism from their playerbase and actually take action to make meaningful fun changes, the game would be in a much better state. Imagine if they would have actually listened 8 years ago and worked on improving the engine and performance and adding meaningful content and continuing the formula that worked for them. But hey, at least ppl can get their freak on with their romance stories and companions... 😅
Some of what I dislike; 2. Festivals consist of *food* and *gardening* not the dramatic space opera stuff I tuned in for. Even retirees do this in reality instead of in-game. 3. Crafting and gearing. I get it, systems on systems, the devs seem to have *tried* to cull old systems when introducing new ones, I realise they have to combat accretion, but frankly, both systems are a big old mess. Why do I have to farm an earpiece off a Flashpoint boss? Where is the in-game assistance on this guff? It's a horrible, weird, confusing mess. 4. Currencies. What do you do with tech fragments? Why is the cap 10000? What's a conquest commendation for? Why is that capped at 2000? Should I upgrade a green thing or wait and see if I find a blue one? What's going on here? 5. Dyes & Collections. Pay for each dye, over and over? Eugh! Pay to share skins you've bought across characters? Eugh! Players are comparing this to GW2. SWTOR seems restrictive. 1. Stealth. This is always going to be my #1 issue. If your *whole* game is about stealth then fine, but any other game? Nah. When everybody's alternate combat style is a stealther, you know something's busted. But that's what stealth does to games, it breaks them.
*It's the old "Toxic Positivity" bs.. They delete posts that are "negative or provide factual criticism"* But oh boy, you know the game is fucked when even the content creators begins to question stuff.
yall want to know what to expect. See what they did to Dark Age of Camelot. broadsword is not going to make anything better... its only going to get worse from here on out. RIP SWTOR
Developers suck. lack of content. The fact the shop is the thing that recieves most updates. The ridiculous fucking caps on everything to delay everything. The fact its 2025 ALMOST and the game is still so damm restrictive when it comes to F2P accounts like the MONEY restriction. (Am sub). The fact the game went from one of the best cinematic Multiplayer experiences to a very very vvery poor imitation of Kotor that you cant even co-op with friends.
I don't know what's going on with SWTOR lately but I noticed improvements (remastered graphics & cutscenes) and I heard that an update to make controllers compatible with the game is in project, it's just a rumor but it's one I want to believe is true so bad. And Broadsword FINALLY fixed problems I begged Bioware to fix for years, such as blocking obvious spams in chat asking real money in exchange for game credits and getting rid of the toxic ultra competitive players ruining the pvp experience for everybody else. I'm back in the game and frankly, I enjoy the game as much as I wanted originally and not being insulted for how I play my characters and not getting abandonned during a group mission made me feel at peace.
I just wish they would bring about balance changes. It's been literal years since we had any meaningful changes in that regard. For an MMO that is absolutely unacceptable unless you somehow managed to strike the perfect balance. And SWTOR certainly did not.
well, as i suppose for a casual sunday player the changes may be great and all, while for the rest of the community its utter dogshit and bare minimum. I know i know. You may think you are getting shit talked by an elitist, which i dont blame y'all. The thing is, its not the game.. its that it is a star wars game keeps most of the playerbase. The game itself is lacking in every field from combat to content. The changes we are getting are like a pocket change given to a homeless alcoholic. The game is not any near what it should be, the content we getting is so trash i didnt even complete last 3 years story more than once, some i didnt even started. I would love to pay for a proper DLC like we used to get in 1.0/2.0/3.0 irrc. Next the pvp was neglected for years like snave said in his full uncutted version operations were somewhat good challanging back in the days and were requiering both hands and some brain usage. Also the game engine itself was outdated and knows for its issues even before the game launch. All those past 6, even 8 years should be spend on changing the game engine itself, instead of trying to reaninate long dead frankenstein All im trying to say is the improvements and content we are getting is on so low effort level that its just cringe at this point propably wont change any of your mind but cant walk by a man lying straught into my eyes about the game i know for so long
also that devs have 0 communication with community itself its so easy nowadays to just run a discord even only for dev polls asking what WE the players think about specific thing or what we would like to see commin next
This is so sad. I was an early access player. Over the last eight or so years, I've logged on just enough to play whatever new storylines they've added on two, sometimes three characters.
Been playing SWTOR since Revan expansion... As solo-story focused player and ocasional past-time healer progression raid enjoyer - KOTET was all over the place and *something happened* after it... while there is sooooo much lore that could be expanded upon or created, they chose nothingburger of trendchasing the Mandos... While I really love the KOTFE (I love Darin DePauls performance in it) - the rng gearing and then making the higher diff raids irrelevant was really just nail in the coffin. Once Tanabrae story was closed, I think the Story really hit the END. They absolutely failed with Malgus. From his book Decieved and his Ilum arc... to a glorified story "carrot" that goes nowhere... what a shame... many of fan-made written stories we had in our guild were faaaaaaaaaaaar more interesting than what came out officially... Once the higher difficulties were made obsolete many I knew stopped playing... and once the story direction went out of the window, all regularly left for good. And yes, I will beat the dead horse - Strongholds should have drops from all over the place but as a reward, not rng clickie handover. They fumbled it sooooooo hard as its totally irrelevant if you are not a whale... which I guess was the point...
What I love about Star Wars: The Old Republic (SW:TOR) is that it's often more of a single-player game. I've been logging in and out since 2015, and while it's sad for some players, the game's increasing focus on solo play has been enjoyable for me. I was never a fan of farming Operations for gear/drops-I wanted to experience the story. Unfortunately, I never had enough in-game friends who wanted to play through the story-driven content, so I had to rely on finding like-minded players in the chat, which was always a challenge. In activities like Flashpoints and Operations, most players tend to skip the dialogue, and you'd often get blamed for wanting to watch it. Because of this, I've always wished the PvE content were fully soloable with a companion. If they ever made that possible, it would be the best day for me! Of course, I understand that such a change would diminish the MMO aspect of the game, essentially turning it into an online single-player experience with optional multiplayer features-but honestly, I’d be okay with that. But overall, I’m on the side of everyone who feels this way-it’s truly sad to see what’s happening with SWTOR.
One problem with a lot of content creators is that assume that everyone likes, or dislikes, the same things about the game as they do. Listening to this video this is obvious with the ones that spoke, with the exception of Aviriia herself. I have only really followed two content creators for SWTOR so I don't know the full history behind what is happening in this area, the one thing I would point out (my view only) is that I think it's important not to forget that the community that supports the various content creators is only a subset of the actual full game community. For some games (like SWTOR) the content community may indeed be/was higher then other games, but the devs have to consider the pro and cons of spending resources supporting each subset of their community. Having said that, I do agree with some of the things mentioned.
Noble was the one who got me into PvP with Sorcerers. OTOH, Biggs and Ragequitting's videos got me into playing Marauders. Good times, let's hope Biosword wake the fuck up.
Wish they would go back to the original pvp model, have exclusive pvp endgame gear for dedicated PvPers to grind for. The first time I quit was when they removed that stat from the game essentially making end game PVE players 5x as strong in PvP over night than the people who’d been grinding since pre-release. I’d love to come back and play again but I just don’t have the time or group I can dedicate to end game raiding just to do what I want to do, PvP
Good stuff Avi, happy to see Snave in here. Sad that you can't actually criticize and have a discussion about the state of the game, it getting no meaningful content for years, the false promises, etc in hopes that things improve because closed-minded morons call it grifting and are happy eating the plate of shit they are given. It's taken TWO YEARS to remove 8-man pre-mades from PvP after countless forum complaints - But of course, it took two years because they have a small team of developers. 🤭
So they can keep ignoring the advice that’s given and send out more NDA reminders to their remaining content creators? :P jokes aside: i hope they see it and understand that its not all sunshine and rainbows. Plus i hope they implement the TLP system for their communications. Instead of the iron fist that they have
"What's killing SWTOR" - there are a lot of things killing it.... crappy customer service... there is no auto-skip for cinematics in groupfinder Flashpoints (if people want to watch it, they made the story mode flashpoints soloable JUST FOR THAT), the story updates take forever.. and there are lots of trash people / trolls about now that ruin the fun.
I'll never play this game again as long as free-to-play doesn't have complete access to everything, including their own guild bank, credits, missions, group content, etc. EVERYTHING. Leave the money making to the Cartel Market. And, if this isn't sufficient for current maintenance, updates, etc, then, so be it. I'm out and not coming back. I've attempted to come back numerous times, but very quickly just get disgusted with the free-to-play limitations and go away again. I don't think I'm "entitled". I do think the game just doesn't offer enough for a subscription model. At least for me.
The game is awesome. A lot of friendly players, a lot of stuff to do, deep game. I see more people and meet a lot of new players who are clueless, and that's great, it only shows people are still interested. Toxicity is in all online games. You can't let those people get under your skin, they are pathetic. If you think this game lacks this and that, that it's not good enough because of this and that, then you have probably played too much! A break would do you good! It makes you not appreciate what is.
As a new time player, shocking but always been a console player until recently, I don't see an issue with the game, it's fun, idk abiut the community never really interacted with it
It sounds to me like the interaction with the community is mostly motivated by fear. It's really silly to me. SWTOR needs to accept that it is moving into the direction of LOTRO. LOTRO is not a huge commercial success like WOW, but then again WOW is awful. SWTOR is a great game, Star Wars is a great franchise and there is NO competition from any other Star Wars MMO. That should give the developers some confidence in what they are doing. Like LOTRO, SWTOR has got a good dedicated group of players, but there needs to be harmony between the developers and the community, otherwise it's over.
I am a huge fan of Kotor1/2. So when EA announced there would be an MMO, a Kotor, as they put it, 3 to infinity, I was very excited. Just entered high school at the time, my PC broke, and i remember trying to play both the game and the beta on my shitty laptop that would turn off due to overheating everytime I tried to play more than 2 hours. I got the funny looking black and yellow founder's crystal. I think SWTOR started to lose its appeal to me at least when challenge was replaced by grind. No longer having to kit out my companions, for example, or companions having selectable roles instead of builds. Where the story got more and more ridiculous. (Already, the idea of a sith empire just waiting to exist was a bit of a stretch, especially given the number of Sith empires that had fallen at this point in the Old republic timeline). Now Vitiate is actually SUPER strong and he could REINCARNATE and he made ANOTHER empire. It just got lost in its own sauce, combined with grind, combined with going free to play and doubling down on cash shops, combined with removing all challenge of the early game. It turned from being a cool adventure I was exploring with my friends to a grindy chore. While SWTOR was never, ever perfect, and it has such a vast list of problems, back in the day, that first character, that first set of levels, and the first experiences were very unforgettable.
I love the game. My only complaint is that it is the cartel market is way too expensive and the Auction house is also way too expensive. Besides that I love it.
And low and behold, you're the only comment Aviira didnt respond to, because it doesnt have enough hate in it. That being said, good for you. Dont let these grifters tell you how to think. Live your best life.
Most people feel that way and it's a huge issue for the average player but no o e in this video mentioned it because this video isn't actually about the games problems, its about content creator's grievance, stuff that doesn't effect 99% of players.
@@BaithNa It's not presented that way, though. It's presented as what is killing us, "the community". If they were sincere, they would mention how SWTOR needs TV commercials like WoW. But they didn't. I feel like most of their points if not all are fake. Jackie Ko is a million times more approachable than Musco ever was, and I didnt have issues with Musco. The difference for me is that Jackie Ko actually gets back to you and tries to make you happy. Musco never got back to me or spoke to me, unless I was at one of the cantina events they used to do around the country.
I want to get back into it. But people keep saying it's dying :( I don't want this game to ever shut down. I mean LOTRO is still going. But they get expansions more than this game. That's for sure. I'm a newb to this game. But I been wanting to fully get into it and do all the content.
I think the game just got too streamlined, so new players get bored before they finish the story. The shops are now useless, I haven't used one stim in 30 hours across 2 characters because the combat is now super simple, they've removed combat mechanics, they removed trainers which I thought were fun. I used to love leveling up and going to the trainers to see what the new abilities were, and since money was slim, you'd need to decide which one to get. Now they just appear and I don't even notice for a minute, and then it's not as fun to stop and look to decide if you wanna move it or get rid of it. And because of this, many areas have been left completely empty, making the game feel more synthetic and the world boring. Doesn't help that they've also retroactively removed free features an made them paid.
I played this game at launch lasted less than a year. i made guild or whatever it is called in SWTOR can't recall, called Sabres of Defiance, that i gave to a friend of mine when I left the game and it became a major guild on the server. (The rise of the guild had nothing to do with me. I just created and named the guild during early access release window as I recall.) It was just kind of cool that my guild grew beyond my participation. I found the choices made from day one with SWTOR was killing my enjoyment. It was so long ago that I don't even remember the actual issues just that I was fed up and left.
I started during that same time period at pre-release. I’ve come back a few times but the first time I quit for a bit was around the time they changed PVP the first time. I was a big PVPer, not so much into PVE content at the time. They had two different end game grinds, the raid route for raid gear and PVP route for PVP exclusive gear with the “expertise” stat I believe it was called The PVE raid group of players made a huge gripe over the PvP gear grind so the Devs eliminated the PvP stat off of the end game PvP gear essentially making the endgame PvP gear obsolete overnight and forcing PvPers to raid for their gear. This also made it so overnight the endgame raiders has massively better gear for PvP than the endgame PvPers. I stayed away for a good while after that and from time to time would come back for big storyline content releases but there was never anything to really keep me interested enough to stay. My enjoyment had always been PvP and story content second. There never was anything dedication for exclusive PvP endgame content and the game constantly forced you into raiding.
@@jasonbritt2497 I remember a month into the game they changed PvP rewards for gear, was that when you mean or was this after that I left in the first year so my knowledge is iffy. I did comeback a couple of time like yourself during free to play but their free to play system was pretty bad so that if you wanted to do anything more than once a week that cost you money to access it, you paid more than a subscription. And that is just one thing not everything once a week. I am glad i quit when I did.
@ pretty sure it was right after the first year. There was a pvp gear stat and I want to say it was “expertise” but I could be wrong. Anyhow it work the way old school wow pvp gear worked where you had to stack that stat and have dedicated gear for pvp to be competitive. Only good part about come back every so often… I forgot to cancel my sub after the last time. I just logged in for the first time in probably a few years and have a massive amount of cartel credits…..
The engine killed the game and its community. I have a feeling that the developers initially making a single-player game, but “effective managers” came and said: “no, let’s make an MMOrpg.” And they “forgot” to change the engine, that’s money, right, EA?
Same thing with other games. Rainbow Six Siege is a great example. However I have enough self control, unlike apparently many others. If I don’t like the way a game is going, or if I don’t like how the dev team is treating a game, then I stop fucking playing it, simple. The fact of complaining but still playing seems kinda hypocritical to me imo, you playing the game = you are supporting the dev product. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. I never ever had a problem with SWTOR even after broadsword took over, they have always answered me and given me perspective. They have never shut me out and they never failed to communicate or support me as a player but that’s my experience. Noble saying SWTOR is a shell of itself nowadays feels kinda right tbh.. but then again, it still isn’t unfun for me, I do play EU so it’s populated on one server mostly so I never had a problem with activity. Personally im an achievement hunter (100% legacy hunter essentially) so I got a 8 year supply of content regardless. So meh
its an old game. most old mmo's player bases die off. a couple years ago the player base on DCUO was very high when i played on ps4. now a couple years later i installed it on my pc... and theres next to no one playing.
The devs should say screw it and just totally revamp the game's present story in order to bring it into the New Sith Wars era. It's the perfect setting to revitalize interest in the game(as much as you can with Star Wars these days) and it'll be something a lot of SWTOR players have never seen before.
It took me a good mental break. I’m not playing swtor like i used to before the shitshow happened in 2022. But i’m back for more content (unfiltered) like this. With this time not being on a leash like when the community dev(s) misunderstood the humour/jokes and my dutch autistic honesty
I think what’s really contributing to the death of Soto is the fact that it’s only on the computer frankly if you work with computers all day or work on computers all day you don’t wanna go home and continue to be on a computer. It’s nice to be a vegetable and pick up a controller and play a game. It’s way too long. They should’ve just invested the time to just pouring it already. It’s not that difficult considering that many many more complicated MMO‘s have done so and then they could open the game up to much water audience and build a much larger community. Have a nice ecosystem of different incomes and then push out an expansion, but as it stands right now, the game does not have enough access to the open gaming market like it should traditional standard commute computer MMO’s have been a thing of a bike gone error for a couple years now at this point.
Working on SWTOR has to be the best job in the world. There’s zero accountability to hit deadlines, you can laugh it up in livestreams after you consistently miss those deadlines, low expectations from leadership, and the majority of the player base are such sycophants for the IP they will treat any crumb of content like it’s a banquet. As long as that John Williams music and Ben Burtt sound fx are there like perfume on dog shit there will be ppl who like the smell 😂
Good video. Something has definitely changed over at Bioware / Broadsword. Like most of you guys I've been around since day 1. I went more than 12 years without ever being banned, restricted, or warned on the forums in anyway way. Fast forward to 2024 and I've been restricted 6 times in like 8 weeks simply for being critical of poor changes that the dev team has made with respect to 7.0. The last time I said "these are changes that no one asked for" I was banned for harassment against the dev team lol. 100% controlling the narrative is their M.O. Edit: 7 times in 8 weeks now lol.
I now think the main problem is general dev incompetence. They overestimate their abilities and then they can't deliver the content in a presentable way. Every recent update that we got either had some additional problems (the lighting update was neat but it permanently broke shadows and apparently they are not even seeing it as an issue since the errors appear in the official videos now) or was plain bad. It ok to make mistakes, but if the team is unable to acknowledge them or improve, then it becomes a problem. And the recent situation with the face update, that should've never happened in the first place, is showing me that they do not learn or try to learn. They think everything is fine hence they dont need to do anything. I also really dislike the corporate talk which became especially prevalent since Broadsword took over. They keep lying or hiding things that they should be honest about (agent losing their voice or cutscenes losing voice acting) since we will find out eventually. But they wait until the moment it turns into a controversy before even addressing it, ironically sabotaging their own effort to prevent controversies. I have been playing since early access and I will never stop playing this game. But as much as I want to, it gets more and more difficult to make excuses to this style of development, and we are definitely in the dusk times of SWTOR.
let's be honest without the original class storys the game would be dead xd no new classes, no dungeons or raids usw. the game just feels frozen in time and thats whats wrong
This video comes across as some people complaining because they didn’t get what they thought they deserved. Perhaps it’s time to move on to something else if you feel so jaded by this game.
I can’t speak for anyone else here but I moved on from regularly playing swtor while ago. I still log on here and there to do warzones, but I’m far from jaded. I think people often confuse passion about something with being jaded or complaining. Which is why I don’t really make swtor videos anymore and do other things. I genuinely wish the best for the game, and hope that everyone currently playing enjoys their time! Everyone should experience what this game has to offer, but it would be bad faith to sit here and say that the game is in an amazing place that some are just complaining because they didn’t get what they want. That’s short sighted to say the least.
content and the lack thereof. We've been grinding the same raids, same pvp, same stuff for years. I just returned from a 2 year break and enjoyed the story catchup, but I'm just finding myself bored when I join any raid group because it's just the same. I'll probably take another 2 years off once my time runs out on the sub again then come back when there is more story to catchup on.
On the role play perspective. Yes we exist. Its geting even more staganting. In my eyes I belive the game devl think we must not even exist. If we want rp, to just do the story content. And yet we fight on....tring to keep up with the lore that exist even before the game was releast. Yet it saddens me when I dont even hear a "opinion'of the rp communety of SWTOR. And yet most of them pay for the stuff that are the in CM and pray new players to just come and rp with us.
There probably has a better SW game for RP, really. Because with just a few emotes and many behind paywalls... no chat bubble... it's hard to make an engaging experience. If not, should find greener pastures because the RP side will only erode with time.
I left swtor around 3.0 because of the lack of raid content that was going to be released (My entire guild left and went to ffxiv, it was 5x NiM teams at the time, most had cleared everything at the time), i recently returned to discover they only really added like 3 raids and a lair boss over that time period, thats 3 raids over a 8/9 year period. While the new raids are a lot more technical than legacy NiMs, they still feel kinda standard compared to ffxiv. Kinda seems like "Dont worry about content, heres a reskin of a reskin of a reskin for 2,000 cartel coins" kinda thing
Hi, i´m kinda new in the game (almot 3 yrs), i´m from México and i really want to make SWTOR content in spanish maybe to get new people interested on it. Any sugestions? I know the game isnt in its best shape but i really like it. Btw, great video, thanks for the collab, we need this kind o content and creators in more languages :3
My suggestion is to just start making the content! The game honestly could use all the love it can get nowedays. And don't be afraid if people dont recognise it immediately. I believe that there is quite a big spanish fanbase who play on the US servers!
Now I would say it's time for swtor 2 but then again there isn't anything really wrong with swtor 1. But swtor really do need a new engine. I was playing star wars outlaw and thought...wow this was bad. Hopped back in swtor and I had Abit of fun. But that had me thinking, I wish swtor had outlaw graphical system, maybe star wars battlefront 2 gameplay mechanics. Would make a awesome remaster of the game. Cause I was playing survivors and I wished so bad that this could of been the best star wars mmo. Sadly they didn't do that. Sometimes I wonder if companies really want to make money or not
I think I'll say a little something although I may not have been here since the getgo and have taken some breaks from this game, I feel I'll add in my two cents. My own reasons for leaving: This game is boring. Blunt and to the point. 6.0 was just running hammer stations non stop to get the best gear, ok fair enough who wants to do that for gear. When the new gear came out in 7.0, the 340 gear, you had to run R-4 Anomaly. Now, for someone that doesn't do any type of operations until this year because it was easy to get gear from that, it doesn't make sense to change it from flashpoints to just this one operation. So basically, I was hard stuck at ilvl 338 but still able to beat out 340 dpsers at times so it wasn't a big deal. I'll add on gatekeeping the gear, even though no one needs max ilvl gear, people still want max ilvl gear and don't want it stuck behind the "hardest" of content. Another reason..pvp. I started and enjoyed pvp after the surge stat was removed and enjoyed it all the way up until 7.0 when 8 man premades became a thing. I've dealt with tank and healer combos, tank/healer/1 dps combos and they aren't fun and had to avoid at times but now you're telling me: "hey guys, we got rid of ranked because we wanted to bring down toxicity and yadadada" except it made the game more toxic because now ranked players were playing with the casuals and it's caused all hell to break loose with multiple forum posts that I've had a chuckle at just for them to now reduce the size to 4 man premades but still doesn't fix the issue. So with that being said, there's nothing for me in this game to do at the time that the max ilvl is 340. Coming back after 4 months, I grinded hard, learning operations that have been out since the beginning that I've never done and have had fun getting to 344. What's killing the Swtor Community? Easy and short answer? The Devs not listening to the community and not enough content for a subscription price. The focus seems to be on the Cartel Market and the RPers who seemingly buy up all the armor for their RPs. I wouldn't mind it if the gear was being kept behind NIM raids because I wouldn't mind learning the harder content. Maybe it would prompt others to learning NIM, join up communities and not just run SM for the gear. Having new augs without any new content besides 1 Lair Boss is pointless. Once the Devs get out of their own way and listen to the community then I can see this game being more than what this limited vision is.
any other players that immediatly notices one of em being afk in warframe as i heard "the void be the word, and the word be profit" in one of their mics. yep thats nef anyo if i ever heard his spammed voice lol. props xD
Dont let these grifters tell you how to think. You play and enjoy the game and live your best life. Haters just want to drag everyone down to the pit theyre in and grift for ad clicks.
@ I love the game, I'd argue it's better than getting a KOTOR III, because of how many storylines I get out of it. I love the game and I love that it provides me with 8 amazing storylines
I think the game is just very out dated for modern mmo standards. The combat is archaic and the developers kind of simplify it with every expansion. The story content is pretty good but it seems to be where the bulk of the game's funding goes to. The engine is pretty bad, even by 2011 standards, and certainly by 2024 standards. A lot of the general aesthetic feels outdated such as combat animations, the galaxy feels quite small due to the planets largely having little to do on them aside from quest lines that haven't been touched since 2011, the general gameplay loop a lot of time feels like it is lacking in meaningful substance and is usually a lot of busy work to give a sense of progress. I think the dynamic encounters are a step in the right direction for the game, but I feel as though swtor should tap in to the roleplay side of things more, like SWG did. We have origin stories now instead of "classes" so maybe they could make the nacent period of the game more intricate. Like for example, if you're a Twi'lek you could start on the planet Ry'loth or something to that effect, similar to what Guild Wars 2 does with its races. You go through your own racial story then you're met with a choice to become either a soldier, a mercenary, a smuggler, an imperial agent, or a force wielder (light or dark). They should give you the option to customize your ship, I always thought it was odd that you were always stuck with the same basic ship. I think customization in general could be the saving grace of this game, because right now it's currently lacking in a lot of other areas.
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Ea ninjas coming for ya life sam 😂
Long time player here. I have seen first hand the shit you were talking about. SWTOR done lost their minds.
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"What's Killing SWTOR" well not having a propper expansion since 2016 might be something to do with it
Amen to that!
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YES!
Yeah, remember the days where Musco first took over and we got Iokath leaked? Only to be disappointed with 1 boss...
Its baffling to me this game is going through the same cycle, the same arguments AGAIN. Like... the fellas who remember... did they all quit?
Objection: The Jedi under siege and the Onslaught were pretty good. Another piece of the pre-Swtor era. Legacies of Ossus and Onderon .... those things made me happy.
The continued "expansions", yes.
Malgus gone crazy again. 5 minute video per 3-6 months. Mando civ wars - meh.
The Ecoes of Oblivion and Manaan content were the only goodies.
I think this video should have been titled "What's Killing SWTOR's Influencer Program?" In my opinion a game's community is its players, which of course includes its influencers (as long as they're playing the game). Snave talked about the problems he saw with the game but most everybody else focused on the problems with their relationship with SWTOR's community manager.
Bloody DEI hire and cultural Marxism at it finest
Swtorista is a clown
I'm so glad that you guys are taking this problem on together. Let's hope things get turned around soon!
They wont, the game was already put on the "to milk until death" list when BioWare lost the game.
I think it's reasonably obvious what's killing SWTOR's Community. Being dripfed an hour of content every 4-10 months where a majority of the focus is on the Cartel Market (where we don't even get original sets anymore, just "inspired by" sets that are just exact 1-to-1 copies of outfits from Relevant Disney+ Shows). I think it really says a lot that the current story we're on (That, mind you, has progressed approximately nowhere since it started) has been going on for 5 years now is astounding, and it doesn't sound like it's coming to a close any time too soon.
That said, it's not all terrible news. The graphical updates, and attempts to port to Mac systems are a good step to show that Broadsword at least has no interest in letting the game die, it's just clear they haven't got a massive Dev Team working behind them, and can only take things at a certain pace the way things are. (Which is still difficult to really believe given the profit SWTOR has to be making EA for them to keep it around)
They desperately need quarterly story updates. It astounds me that that is the #1 request from the player base, yet seems to be the lowest item on their priority list.
SWTOR needs new writers and new "creative" people. Some of the devs are the type of people that are toxic in their personal social media and are overly critical of random issues - but if you are critical to them then YOU are wrong. Thats issue number 1 imo. You've got to get rid of people like that because they want to make the community platform their personal domain where they rule based off their personal biases. The leadership needs to step up and be leaders and make those hard decisions to let these devs go and seek individuals who have passion about swtor and can seperate their personal views from creating great content for gamers.
Basically get rid of all the DEI hires
I felt that intro lol
I used to log in SWTOR and immediately questioned my life choices
😁 contemplating life. Haha
@ I liked going through the Revan and Emperor storylines but then I tried FFXIV
It’s so hard going back in SWTOR after that
SWTOR makes me feel like I’m on a Pentium 4 PC
@ FFXIV is great! Ngl I’m tempted to also make ffxiv videos ngl. Or at least about the life lessons from that game
@@Aviriia you should do a video like that, it’s still an MMO after all
It’s too bad FF has the old style subscription method, stop paying and you’re locked out, that’s why I always keep a trial account around lol
For community, just host contests with rewards like a costume or a sub.
For content, just add another class, it doesn't matter how impossible it is, find a way and do it.
For story, don't hire writers, too expensive just host a competition, "Write what you wanna see."
By doing these 3 things whilst combining what they've been doing passively and they would guarantee a successful year, but what is ending SWTOR has always been the defeat of the idea of adding something in and every time someone suggests something, they say nope can't do it...
What are they even paid for then?
Simply put, the developers of SWTOR live in fantasyland. I'm sick of Musco and Jackie talking about how awesome things are, while all of us watching their livestreams prevent ourselves from falling over laughing... Cartel market items aren't what people are after, it's GAME PLAY. Duhh. It is absolute INSANITY that their team can congratulate themselves on a regular basis when their output, once every 6 months or so, is absolutely miniscule compared to most other MMOs on the market.
Amen to that!
Extremely accurate.
New returning player here.. I'm glad I am living in bliss and doing origin stories lol
SWTOR is the greatest Star Wars game of all time. Dont listen to these grifters. There are no current Star Wars shows to hate on, so theyre hating on SWTOR now.
Same, I'm glad hopefully they aren't being listened too. Games fine.
@@TheJediSagewe still havent recovered from axolyte ahspka and the sequels. But that doesnt matter. Swtor needs help. We love swtor. Thats why we say how to save it.
@@Gamerznation704 7.6 was a massive flop riddled with bugs and devs barely acknowledging it. Hardly any new content while they focus a lot on increasing Cartel prices and copy/paste stuff. Might aswell play GW2, least gameplay is better and you unlock dyes instead of buying over and over. Game is more or less stable but fine isn't the word.
@ Its fine. All of the stuff your mentioning doesn't make the game not fine from an enjoyment aspect.
I hop in, enjoy my time with star wars and roleplay and I hop out.
Pretty simple.
I was a heavy RPer on this game, and it makes me sad to see that the community has gotten so toxic that they practically bullied any remnants of RPers off of the game or into hiding with very few good RP guild being left in the game. Makes me sad to see bc I use to love coming home and hopping on to RP with friends to one day finding out that they all had left the game bc of toxicity towards them for simply being RPers and doing what they found fun.
Why the hell do people bully rpers like w h a t
@haku7335Because it's cringe and obnoxious when done on a general chat not specifically designed for the pretense of RP
@@mmmaiamm3078 90% of the time it was not done in general chat it was done in say chat like any good RPer would do. Ppl just loved coming up to them and bullying them for no good reason other than just be douchebags to ppl just trying to enjoy their time
The devs/community managers are killing it.
So, swtorista is a content creator for swtor, that explains her positivity.
I stumbled on Star Wars Central's channel one month ago (if I remember correctly) and thought that the devs were cool with some validly raised points. I had no idea the situation was this bad.
Though it's nice seeing you getting together to spread information about the issues of the game.
SWC is the most based youtuber you'll ever meet
Dont be a sucker. These people just want ad clicks, like the rest of the hate on Star Wars ad click industry on RUclips. If you like the game and have enjoyed yourself, dont let these grifters take that away from you and tell you how to think.
This is all full blown bullshit.
@@kungfu390 Both her and SWC have a long way to go from earning anything from ads (that's why big channels get sponsorships, on top of YT monetization), that's not even counting youtube's bipolar disorder on what content can and cannot be monetized.
I haven't yet played the game, I'm studying 6 hours a week for university, but for what I've seen and read online (including their own forums), the game is really not doing great. And yes, I will try it as soon as I've got some time.
Besides, I'm not spending any (currency)/month for a subscription to any videogame.
@@matteo_z Don’t worry people have bad opinions on topics they are oblivious too. Anytime someone’s sees a video they don’t like or agree with “you did this for clicks” becomes their go to argument.
Can confirm that making SWTOR based content yields VERY little revenue. My highest ever month was $900 and that was all from lore videos, not opinion videos. Those earn literal pennies.
These people think we are gearing up to put deposits on lambos and buy a mansion 😂
@@swcentral Conversely, there's people who do in-fact ragebait people with the purpose of doing exactly that. The reason "You did this for clicks" is such a prevalent sentiment is because an extremely large percentage of content creators do. For every one legitimate channel there's 29 (I'm being hyperbolic here) that copy videos and slam a title on it that is designed to be polarizing in some fasion. Also, saying that someone doesn't have a community large enough (or the potential for ad revenue) for it to matter is disingenuous, the entire point is to increase that community size; and ragebait is effective at doing that. Even if it weren't - it's a tactic that is applied for that purpose, regardless if it's successful or not.
Personally, I think the actual 'state' of the game is somewhere in between the extremes. I don't think it's dying or 'being killed' at the rate some people are implying it is, nor do I think the game is perfect or beyond reproach. Honestly, the major problem; is that people forgot how to be sensible and they immediately jump from one extreme to the other with no regard to anything in between. It's either perfect, or a dumpster fire. Those are the only two options for a large swathe of society.
I'm not defending the devs here, but the game is Old. Incredibly Old. They aren't going to risk sinking any more money on a game that lost it's popularity a decade ago, then they absolutely have to. It's just not going to happen. People need to curb their expectations.
something that always bugged me with the story campaigns is its inconsistency. For Non force users, half the classes, fighting Revan and the Emperor+ his fam as a smuggler or mandalorian felt out of place af.
For force classes, after beating the emperor, revan, arcann, etc, you should be crazy OP. Story wise. You're essentially the chosen one of the Old Republic. You shouldn't struggle fighting mandalorians, padawans, etc. And people should fear you. Instead you're treated as just a run of the mill jedi/sith that your enemies don't respect.
Yeah they shouldve made expansions for shooters and expansions for force users seperatly. Doesnt make any sense this way. My trooper isnt gonna take on the most powerful being on galactic history and even get to shoot.
And probably one of the most powerful other beings in history ( sith inquisitor, jedi consular if you doent sac their powers ) wouldnt NOT struggle against some mandalorians. Not even the worrior or knight would as just very strong, but not op characters.
Hell a regular jedi mastar xould take on those stuck up mandalorians....
But here we are. I tzibk we re too fsr in. They womt seperate it, the damage id done. I think they should just focuss on the allience and go back to regular wars, where the individusl power of the Player character doesnt shine THAAAT much in focuss.
I left swtor in September 2023 after playing since launch. I went to FF14 and il be honest its night and day. It feels so different to play a game whete you can tell the devs care. Swtor just feels like its floating along now so the cartel market can milk the players dry till the game shuts down.
careful that's the honeymoon phase talking here, until Endwalker you'll have a really good ride. However, Dawntrail ? Massive nose dive and when you'll get to endgame, you'll see the cracks and repetitivity... you should get at least a hundred hours of gameplay though
@IRedpunk to late i played and finished DT and loved it. And still playing so no clue what your talking about
I'm honestly shocked to see all those names in the title. I mean, it was quite surprising to see SWCentral kicked out of the creator program back in the day, but nowadays they've kicked literally everyone?
I guess the change to Broadsword is not helping at all if you leave the management be from the same group.
Though I'm not sure how they're planning to go on with no content creators at all. Absolutely refreshing to see the community united though even if that's in opposition to the game's official position. xD
A little off topic, but
Tbh that's the same thing we saw with the Boeing and McDonnell Douglas merger when the McDonnell Douglas management starrted to nail the coffin of the Boeing company. Which didn't end well.
Sad to see so much censorship and totalitarian regimes in companies (and even more so in governments, but that's another story) around in our world.
It almost feels like an ''us'' vs ''them''. Instead of reuniting the community they want to see it divided because we dont fit their vision in our feedback. It's stupid, but sadly the crazy truth.
@@Aviriia hmm. Tried to post a reply but for some reason it sends ok but then disappears. Do you have a comment moderation turn on or something similar? Though I fail to see what might have triggered automatic filters in the comment. Only if it's something like "comments get posted" only after they're approved by the channel owner. Shouldn't be over the character limit since that's a 10 000 character and the comment was less than 2500.
Upd this posted ok
Upd2. Edited the original comment in below and it's not disappearing so doesn't seem like automatic filtration flagging it. But if try to post it as a reply it disappears. Lol, what.
At that point it's like "there are two opinions: the one the devs share and the wrong one". So yep, a clear confrontation. I can even kinda understand them doing that to content creators even though I don't agree with that because that's not going to immediately hit them in terms of profit. In the long run though that's a totally different story since reducing an amount of media coverage is generally not healthy for a project running on a subscription model. However neglecting the content which should be there KEEPING THE PLAYERS PAYING is absolutely mind-blowing to me. Like we sadly see no financial reports from them but I have a hard time believing selling CM items gets more money than keeping the PvP playerbase happy (and therefore renewing the subscription) which is relatively easy or at least easier than developing story updates which understandably take more money to produce.
Also about banning people on streams - that definitely should result in financial losses since even they are not expecting a banned player if they were subbed to renew that sub. That should be obvious and as such that behavior is absolutely unexplainable.
There's as well the fact that for some reason they are reluctant to admit WHY they're delaying stuff. Players kinda deserve to know. They want to cover it up? What's the point in hiding it from players lol. I can kinda understand not wanting to take that to higher ups in EA but for some reason I doubt those delays aren't explained in their internal communication. Why the silent treatment for players. Not like that information is gonna get lost because for it to get lost you need to at least get the playerbase attention to something else, yet they're not doing even that. I stopped playing about 1.5 year ago and when I decided to go check out what has happened since that about a month ago it took me errr 1 minute to scroll through all the patch notes and news to the point I remember from the time I was playing? Okaaaay.
In conclusion I can't see logic in those actions. I remember they kinda tried to justify player bans on the actions of solely one moderator back in... err whenever the gods master mode discussion was happening after another delay but now it's obvious even to the blind that this course of action is a deliberate company policy. At that point I'm not even sure that they themselves understand what and why they're doing. Or the fact that they have any unity inside the team.
Upd3: tried to reply to myself with the original comment above. It disappeared. I give up, I have no idea what's going on.
Asking these people about the content creator program is dumb because that has nothing to do with the decline of the game. Even if they worked with everyone and were 100% transparent, the game would still be in a sh!t place because there's no new content and the previous content is becoming antiquated with each year that passes.
Personally for me it went down hill after original content with class story, to me that was the gold standard. I didn't like when most new content slowly started to feel more like doing flashpoints also didn't like when we started to be this big person that was going to fix everything all the time, I liked it more with class stories where we were part of some slightly bigger story and play one important part but were not the center piece. I still come by from time to time play a little but I don't have any interest in anything but OG class stories really.
Story was crap after Revan. I hope they bring one major storyline to the game and a few new raids
Meanwhile on SWTORista’s channel: “New mounts on the Cartel Market, Teehee! 🤭 “
I stepped into swtor Christmas eve of 2011! And with all this play time in it's hard to think of any add done for this game. Only thing I can recall was that Flash Mob in Time Square! Second was the end of class storyline, this was what kept me wanting to play way back when it's was the only thing to do!
bruh i just started playing the game like 2 days ago and the first thing i saw was some guy having a mental breakdown in chat over this swtorista person 💀
SWTORista isn't part of this white supremacist nonsense.
Disable chat.
Enjoy the story.
Play all classstories and once or twice the dlcs. Amd than go home. Everything past that id goong to hurt your brain
I remember this game from years ago. It was fun, but as I got older MMOs didn't mesh with my job, this is sad to see.
I was there when you made your good by video after Legacy of the Sith expansion came out and that was truly a sad day. I agree with you and everyone else that spoke about various issues. Lets hope for the best. May the Force be with you all 🙂
I have no idea if anyone else will ever see this but here we go. I was there day one of the game. I started raiding when Eternity Vault was the only raid in the game. I endured some of the games darkest moments and celebrated their best achievements. I was deeply attached to and addicted to this game for over a decade. And then 7.0 completely broke me and I walked away from the game. Two hours of new story, a trickled out new raid, overly difficult Flashpoints (one thing I've learned in this game is that the PUG community isn't well suited for anything beyond mind numbing easy) and a overly complicated and drawn out new gearing system to redo endgame content that I had been doing for years. I took a look at the new gearing system and just logged off, uninstalled the game, and moved on.
Recently I was thinking about coming back to redo the class stories one more time but hearing about how the dev team has turned into an absolute shit show has got me wanting to go ahead and uninstall again after installing it to redo the story content. SWTOR had the potential to be great and was squandered with inept direction and leadership.
People shouldn't feel shy or pushed away for honest criticism. Criticism is important to make a product improved when looked at objectively.
They created a huge game with so many options, characters and voice actors, then they could not keep up the same energy. This is the reason. People have seen the class stories, got impressed by them, then see how they are forced to slam together the classes into one outlander or commander or whatever title, then they are unable to create content which fits both a Jedi and Smuggler, Republic soldier and Sith lord. Of course the game will be dying when no resources are provided to the game and the dev team refuse to listen to the players. They do not have the resources to write two different stories for the Empire and Republic. This worked with the whole Imperial fleet refueling thing since you would go to the same planets in order to support the other side, but now with Sa'har, it's a joke. A sith can't turn her to the dark side since that requires more work than just fighting for a different accent of people.
I fully support it. Although I was delighted with the addition and rate it 9/10 (-1 point for bugs and several boring chapters that lead to nothing, like the chapter with Satele, in order to show it for 1 chapter and remove her from the plot), but the fact that they shoved each class into one narrative…. This caused many absurd moments. For example, you, being not a force user, destroy crowds of force users. What can I say, you are locked in a small room with Arcann and you still defeat him with one blaster. (Lol, that's simply impossible). I started DLC for the smuggler and realized that I simply could not watch what was happening on the screen. I had to go through everything again as JK so that my actions would not break the logic. It would be great if, playing as a soldier, you were not the commander of the alliance, but one of the generals who helps the alliance in special tasks. It would be great if, playing as a smuggler, you would help the alliance with supplies and not deal with all this nonsense with the destruction of legions of force users. The main expansion would be exclusively for JK, SW, Inquisitor and Sorcerer. Even the same inquisitor and sorcerer could be sent to help the alliance in training the force, helping Sana-rei. Lol there are literally 4 characters in our command post that are perfect for special tasks of certain classes, but instead we just bring them boxes from Heroic and nothing else
@meowmurr7012 That's what I mean. They had to make different stories for force users and non force users, but could not. Like that one time when you are on Odessen and you create a weapon balanced in the force or something, and you just make a blaster. And I really liked the two expansions, but they brought with them so manny story issues I don't know if it was worth it. It's just a mess with the story at the moment. And I won't even start talking about the fact that if you spare him, you literally have the former Zakuulian Emperor as a companion, and there is no storyline or comments about this from anybody because dark players killed him.
For me, I've played since launch and now more than ever regular players are not acknowledged. Nowhere is that more obvious than the Twitch livestream. Charles and Musco would often comment on funny posts in chat or address comments made but now it all feels like its pre-recorded. CHAT IS IGNORED. In game the story is so slow I have lost all interest. The 8 classes and their companions used to feel unique now you don't really need alts - the new updates are one size fits all. If you look at how they want you to craft new augments it just looks boring as hell and I don't need a second job. I hope things change because I'm not paying roughly €150 per year anymore when we are being drip fed rubbish and when you speak on the forums you get warning emails. Love all you guys and thanks for the video.
Leaving the empire/republic focus.. drip feeding content.. cartel market.
I love the allience. But i hate this mando shit.
It was great seeing and hearing some of the old timer content creators.
Oh swtor, what you could have been!
Thanks Avi for the video, looked like a really fun collab!!
In all honesty Noble was probably the most genuine out of everyone here. He gets emotional at times.. but still. Wish he still make swtor content
It doesnt get him the ad clicks anymore, so theyre trying this dramaqueen nonsense.
Noble does make SWTOR content sometimes :)
@@kungfu390 What a shit opinion.
@@kungfu390 last I saw his views are down since moving away from swtor on his channel. Why move to something that gets you less views? He didn’t seem get caught up in drama that often. If at all
Noble did what most content creators should have done years ago. Deleted social media and moved on with life and make videos about what they actually like.. I respect him for that. He seems happier now and his new content is actually interesting.
Snave is the shit 🔥🔥🔥🔥 love seeing him back
SW central always had critical things to say, but he’s rarely wrong, just blunt. Which I think gets mistaken for drama
Swtor angels… eh take it or leave it
Boomy is probably the only person I watch now consistently and he’s still positive but critical.
The voice actor strike is the only reason I forgive them the lack of story content this december. But: Riding on that Hidden Chain/Nul storyline for so many years annoys me! We need the Galactic War back in the focus! I love this game, dudes. But even I am tempted to give up and move on.
Its the reason why I also started to play FFXIV as secondary game. SWTOR alone will just make you sad if you think about this all
Whats killing the SWTOR community... Maybe it has something to do with the fact there is no content? No new classes, no M+, nothing that makes anyone want to play the game.
WoW releases new xpacs every 18 months these days. And no: new cartel market items are not content. Well, maybe for EA.
I'll always love the game, but something went terribly wrong with the release of main story content. I think the expansions were never as good as the original three chapters, but things fell off even worse after KOTET. We've been stuck in an endless loop of "Malgus is about to do something. Any minute now. Any minute now. Just you wait, Malgus is going to do something!" since.... 2018, is that right?
Siths are playing the long game
This combination of people is awesome pls do this more often. You people speak the truth and will not hide the hard facts of this game.
Thank you all for your time
Oh, we will!
Let me start off first with saying I'm still rooting for this game. There are a lot of ppl in these comments calling others haters and grifters... I see a lot of passionate players who can see the potential this game has and just how badly this game has been managed over YEARS. Some might say it more flavorful than others, but hey, it's a freaking yt comment section. Anways heres a few of my thoughts on the game if anyone cares.
They need to revise and polish their existing FPs, and OPs add more incentives to run them like farmable cosmetics, mounts, pets, etc. (Theres some but few and lackluster at best). The chapter based content of KOTFE was awesome IMO adding replayability with uping the difficulty. There is so much focus on CM items & half-assed "story content" when they game still has so many performance flaws. Yes, they're improving some things here and there, but they have been long overdue and still seem to be turning a blind eye to some things. The individual focused classed story was amazing and hooked so many of us. Nothing has been done with that in how long now? Revamp / make NEW seasonal events. IDK, the list can go on and on, but once again, this is a yt comment section, so what's the point.
I'll end with this... if the Devs would actually listen to the constructive criticism from their playerbase and actually take action to make meaningful fun changes, the game would be in a much better state. Imagine if they would have actually listened 8 years ago and worked on improving the engine and performance and adding meaningful content and continuing the formula that worked for them.
But hey, at least ppl can get their freak on with their romance stories and companions... 😅
Some of what I dislike;
2. Festivals consist of *food* and *gardening* not the dramatic space opera stuff I tuned in for. Even retirees do this in reality instead of in-game.
3. Crafting and gearing. I get it, systems on systems, the devs seem to have *tried* to cull old systems when introducing new ones, I realise they have to combat accretion, but frankly, both systems are a big old mess. Why do I have to farm an earpiece off a Flashpoint boss? Where is the in-game assistance on this guff? It's a horrible, weird, confusing mess.
4. Currencies. What do you do with tech fragments? Why is the cap 10000? What's a conquest commendation for? Why is that capped at 2000? Should I upgrade a green thing or wait and see if I find a blue one? What's going on here?
5. Dyes & Collections. Pay for each dye, over and over? Eugh! Pay to share skins you've bought across characters? Eugh! Players are comparing this to GW2. SWTOR seems restrictive.
1. Stealth. This is always going to be my #1 issue. If your *whole* game is about stealth then fine, but any other game? Nah. When everybody's alternate combat style is a stealther, you know something's busted. But that's what stealth does to games, it breaks them.
How did stealth kill the game? Its a great thing for people whp jidt wanna see rhe story
I remember applying for the Content creator program years ago when I streamed my ranked journey, I'm glad I didn't get it!
*It's the old "Toxic Positivity" bs.. They delete posts that are "negative or provide factual criticism"*
But oh boy, you know the game is fucked when even the content creators begins to question stuff.
Great Job and welcome back Avi
yall want to know what to expect. See what they did to Dark Age of Camelot.
broadsword is not going to make anything better... its only going to get worse from here on out.
RIP SWTOR
Developers suck. lack of content. The fact the shop is the thing that recieves most updates. The ridiculous fucking caps on everything to delay everything. The fact its 2025 ALMOST and the game is still so damm restrictive when it comes to F2P accounts like the MONEY restriction. (Am sub). The fact the game went from one of the best cinematic Multiplayer experiences to a very very vvery poor imitation of Kotor that you cant even co-op with friends.
I don't know what's going on with SWTOR lately but I noticed improvements (remastered graphics & cutscenes) and I heard that an update to make controllers compatible with the game is in project, it's just a rumor but it's one I want to believe is true so bad.
And Broadsword FINALLY fixed problems I begged Bioware to fix for years, such as blocking obvious spams in chat asking real money in exchange for game credits and getting rid of the toxic ultra competitive players ruining the pvp experience for everybody else.
I'm back in the game and frankly, I enjoy the game as much as I wanted originally and not being insulted for how I play my characters and not getting abandonned during a group mission made me feel at peace.
Yeah but positive points doesnt get the ad clicks.
I just wish they would bring about balance changes.
It's been literal years since we had any meaningful changes in that regard. For an MMO that is absolutely unacceptable unless you somehow managed to strike the perfect balance. And SWTOR certainly did not.
well, as i suppose for a casual sunday player the changes may be great and all, while for the rest of the community its utter dogshit and bare minimum. I know i know. You may think you are getting shit talked by an elitist, which i dont blame y'all. The thing is, its not the game.. its that it is a star wars game keeps most of the playerbase. The game itself is lacking in every field from combat to content. The changes we are getting are like a pocket change given to a homeless alcoholic. The game is not any near what it should be, the content we getting is so trash i didnt even complete last 3 years story more than once, some i didnt even started. I would love to pay for a proper DLC like we used to get in 1.0/2.0/3.0 irrc.
Next
the pvp was neglected for years like snave said in his full uncutted version
operations were somewhat good challanging back in the days and were requiering both hands and some brain usage.
Also the game engine itself was outdated and knows for its issues even before the game launch. All those past 6, even 8 years should be spend on changing the game engine itself, instead of trying to reaninate long dead frankenstein
All im trying to say is the improvements and content we are getting is on so low effort level that its just cringe at this point
propably wont change any of your mind but cant walk by a man lying straught into my eyes about the game i know for so long
also that devs have 0 communication with community itself
its so easy nowadays to just run a discord even only for dev polls asking what WE the players think about specific thing or what we would like to see commin next
@@loczek5555 He enjoys the game. Back the frack up, and let people enjoy Star Wars.
This is so sad. I was an early access player. Over the last eight or so years, I've logged on just enough to play whatever new storylines they've added on two, sometimes three characters.
Been playing SWTOR since Revan expansion...
As solo-story focused player and ocasional past-time healer progression raid enjoyer - KOTET was all over the place and *something happened* after it... while there is sooooo much lore that could be expanded upon or created, they chose nothingburger of trendchasing the Mandos... While I really love the KOTFE (I love Darin DePauls performance in it) - the rng gearing and then making the higher diff raids irrelevant was really just nail in the coffin. Once Tanabrae story was closed, I think the Story really hit the END. They absolutely failed with Malgus. From his book Decieved and his Ilum arc... to a glorified story "carrot" that goes nowhere... what a shame... many of fan-made written stories we had in our guild were faaaaaaaaaaaar more interesting than what came out officially...
Once the higher difficulties were made obsolete many I knew stopped playing... and once the story direction went out of the window, all regularly left for good.
And yes, I will beat the dead horse - Strongholds should have drops from all over the place but as a reward, not rng clickie handover. They fumbled it sooooooo hard as its totally irrelevant if you are not a whale... which I guess was the point...
What I love about Star Wars: The Old Republic (SW:TOR) is that it's often more of a single-player game. I've been logging in and out since 2015, and while it's sad for some players, the game's increasing focus on solo play has been enjoyable for me. I was never a fan of farming Operations for gear/drops-I wanted to experience the story. Unfortunately, I never had enough in-game friends who wanted to play through the story-driven content, so I had to rely on finding like-minded players in the chat, which was always a challenge.
In activities like Flashpoints and Operations, most players tend to skip the dialogue, and you'd often get blamed for wanting to watch it. Because of this, I've always wished the PvE content were fully soloable with a companion. If they ever made that possible, it would be the best day for me! Of course, I understand that such a change would diminish the MMO aspect of the game, essentially turning it into an online single-player experience with optional multiplayer features-but honestly, I’d be okay with that.
But overall, I’m on the side of everyone who feels this way-it’s truly sad to see what’s happening with SWTOR.
One problem with a lot of content creators is that assume that everyone likes, or dislikes, the same things about the game as they do. Listening to this video this is obvious with the ones that spoke, with the exception of Aviriia herself. I have only really followed two content creators for SWTOR so I don't know the full history behind what is happening in this area, the one thing I would point out (my view only) is that I think it's important not to forget that the community that supports the various content creators is only a subset of the actual full game community. For some games (like SWTOR) the content community may indeed be/was higher then other games, but the devs have to consider the pro and cons of spending resources supporting each subset of their community. Having said that, I do agree with some of the things mentioned.
Noble was the one who got me into PvP with Sorcerers.
OTOH, Biggs and Ragequitting's videos got me into playing Marauders.
Good times, let's hope Biosword wake the fuck up.
Wish they would go back to the original pvp model, have exclusive pvp endgame gear for dedicated PvPers to grind for.
The first time I quit was when they removed that stat from the game essentially making end game PVE players 5x as strong in PvP over night than the people who’d been grinding since pre-release.
I’d love to come back and play again but I just don’t have the time or group I can dedicate to end game raiding just to do what I want to do, PvP
Good stuff Avi, happy to see Snave in here. Sad that you can't actually criticize and have a discussion about the state of the game, it getting no meaningful content for years, the false promises, etc in hopes that things improve because closed-minded morons call it grifting and are happy eating the plate of shit they are given. It's taken TWO YEARS to remove 8-man pre-mades from PvP after countless forum complaints - But of course, it took two years because they have a small team of developers. 🤭
i hope this video gets noticed and watched by the powers that be at Broadsword......
hint hint
So they can keep ignoring the advice that’s given and send out more NDA reminders to their remaining content creators? :P jokes aside: i hope they see it and understand that its not all sunshine and rainbows. Plus i hope they implement the TLP system for their communications. Instead of the iron fist that they have
This sounded a lot more like content creator problems than community problems.
aye, still the game is not in a good direction and its future doesn't look bright
This is a perfect example of someone clinging on to something that has long gone.
"What's killing SWTOR" - there are a lot of things killing it.... crappy customer service... there is no auto-skip for cinematics in groupfinder Flashpoints (if people want to watch it, they made the story mode flashpoints soloable JUST FOR THAT), the story updates take forever.. and there are lots of trash people / trolls about now that ruin the fun.
I'll never play this game again as long as free-to-play doesn't have complete access to everything, including their own guild bank, credits, missions, group content, etc. EVERYTHING.
Leave the money making to the Cartel Market. And, if this isn't sufficient for current maintenance, updates, etc, then, so be it. I'm out and not coming back.
I've attempted to come back numerous times, but very quickly just get disgusted with the free-to-play limitations and go away again. I don't think I'm "entitled". I do think the game just doesn't offer enough for a subscription model. At least for me.
Nothing is free
The game is awesome. A lot of friendly players, a lot of stuff to do, deep game. I see more people and meet a lot of new players who are clueless, and that's great, it only shows people are still interested. Toxicity is in all online games. You can't let those people get under your skin, they are pathetic. If you think this game lacks this and that, that it's not good enough because of this and that, then you have probably played too much! A break would do you good! It makes you not appreciate what is.
As a new time player, shocking but always been a console player until recently, I don't see an issue with the game, it's fun, idk abiut the community never really interacted with it
Glad to hear from you again on the game. Great video.
It sounds to me like the interaction with the community is mostly motivated by fear. It's really silly to me. SWTOR needs to accept that it is moving into the direction of LOTRO. LOTRO is not a huge commercial success like WOW, but then again WOW is awful. SWTOR is a great game, Star Wars is a great franchise and there is NO competition from any other Star Wars MMO. That should give the developers some confidence in what they are doing. Like LOTRO, SWTOR has got a good dedicated group of players, but there needs to be harmony between the developers and the community, otherwise it's over.
I am a huge fan of Kotor1/2. So when EA announced there would be an MMO, a Kotor, as they put it, 3 to infinity, I was very excited. Just entered high school at the time, my PC broke, and i remember trying to play both the game and the beta on my shitty laptop that would turn off due to overheating everytime I tried to play more than 2 hours. I got the funny looking black and yellow founder's crystal.
I think SWTOR started to lose its appeal to me at least when challenge was replaced by grind. No longer having to kit out my companions, for example, or companions having selectable roles instead of builds. Where the story got more and more ridiculous. (Already, the idea of a sith empire just waiting to exist was a bit of a stretch, especially given the number of Sith empires that had fallen at this point in the Old republic timeline). Now Vitiate is actually SUPER strong and he could REINCARNATE and he made ANOTHER empire. It just got lost in its own sauce, combined with grind, combined with going free to play and doubling down on cash shops, combined with removing all challenge of the early game. It turned from being a cool adventure I was exploring with my friends to a grindy chore. While SWTOR was never, ever perfect, and it has such a vast list of problems, back in the day, that first character, that first set of levels, and the first experiences were very unforgettable.
I love the game. My only complaint is that it is the cartel market is way too expensive and the Auction house is also way too expensive. Besides that I love it.
And low and behold, you're the only comment Aviira didnt respond to, because it doesnt have enough hate in it.
That being said, good for you. Dont let these grifters tell you how to think. Live your best life.
Most people feel that way and it's a huge issue for the average player but no o e in this video mentioned it because this video isn't actually about the games problems, its about content creator's grievance, stuff that doesn't effect 99% of players.
@@BaithNa It's not presented that way, though. It's presented as what is killing us, "the community".
If they were sincere, they would mention how SWTOR needs TV commercials like WoW. But they didn't. I feel like most of their points if not all are fake. Jackie Ko is a million times more approachable than Musco ever was, and I didnt have issues with Musco. The difference for me is that Jackie Ko actually gets back to you and tries to make you happy. Musco never got back to me or spoke to me, unless I was at one of the cantina events they used to do around the country.
@@kungfu390 brother I stoped listening to other people the day I was born. I enjoy my delusions.
@@JediMaster-Javon MTFBWY
Damn, seems like the empire runs the swtor community management. Thematically fitting, at least.
The desire for Star Wars Galaxies 2
I want to get back into it. But people keep saying it's dying :( I don't want this game to ever shut down. I mean LOTRO is still going. But they get expansions more than this game. That's for sure. I'm a newb to this game. But I been wanting to fully get into it and do all the content.
People have been saying it's dying since 2015, jump in and enjoy
I think the game just got too streamlined, so new players get bored before they finish the story. The shops are now useless, I haven't used one stim in 30 hours across 2 characters because the combat is now super simple, they've removed combat mechanics, they removed trainers which I thought were fun. I used to love leveling up and going to the trainers to see what the new abilities were, and since money was slim, you'd need to decide which one to get. Now they just appear and I don't even notice for a minute, and then it's not as fun to stop and look to decide if you wanna move it or get rid of it. And because of this, many areas have been left completely empty, making the game feel more synthetic and the world boring. Doesn't help that they've also retroactively removed free features an made them paid.
I played this game at launch lasted less than a year. i made guild or whatever it is called in SWTOR can't recall, called Sabres of Defiance, that i gave to a friend of mine when I left the game and it became a major guild on the server. (The rise of the guild had nothing to do with me. I just created and named the guild during early access release window as I recall.) It was just kind of cool that my guild grew beyond my participation.
I found the choices made from day one with SWTOR was killing my enjoyment. It was so long ago that I don't even remember the actual issues just that I was fed up and left.
I started during that same time period at pre-release. I’ve come back a few times but the first time I quit for a bit was around the time they changed PVP the first time.
I was a big PVPer, not so much into PVE content at the time.
They had two different end game grinds, the raid route for raid gear and PVP route for PVP exclusive gear with the “expertise” stat I believe it was called
The PVE raid group of players made a huge gripe over the PvP gear grind so the Devs eliminated the PvP stat off of the end game PvP gear essentially making the endgame PvP gear obsolete overnight and forcing PvPers to raid for their gear. This also made it so overnight the endgame raiders has massively better gear for PvP than the endgame PvPers.
I stayed away for a good while after that and from time to time would come back for big storyline content releases but there was never anything to really keep me interested enough to stay.
My enjoyment had always been PvP and story content second. There never was anything dedication for exclusive PvP endgame content and the game constantly forced you into raiding.
@@jasonbritt2497 I remember a month into the game they changed PvP rewards for gear, was that when you mean or was this after that I left in the first year so my knowledge is iffy. I did comeback a couple of time like yourself during free to play but their free to play system was pretty bad so that if you wanted to do anything more than once a week that cost you money to access it, you paid more than a subscription. And that is just one thing not everything once a week. I am glad i quit when I did.
@ pretty sure it was right after the first year. There was a pvp gear stat and I want to say it was “expertise” but I could be wrong.
Anyhow it work the way old school wow pvp gear worked where you had to stack that stat and have dedicated gear for pvp to be competitive.
Only good part about come back every so often… I forgot to cancel my sub after the last time. I just logged in for the first time in probably a few years and have a massive amount of cartel credits…..
TIL: people still play this game.
Im coming back after 5years away, still the best mmo and played from day1, shame the story had never expanded fully
The engine killed the game and its community. I have a feeling that the developers initially making a single-player game, but “effective managers” came and said: “no, let’s make an MMOrpg.” And they “forgot” to change the engine, that’s money, right, EA?
Same thing with other games. Rainbow Six Siege is a great example. However I have enough self control, unlike apparently many others. If I don’t like the way a game is going, or if I don’t like how the dev team is treating a game, then I stop fucking playing it, simple. The fact of complaining but still playing seems kinda hypocritical to me imo, you playing the game = you are supporting the dev product. If you don’t like it, don’t play it. I never ever had a problem with SWTOR even after broadsword took over, they have always answered me and given me perspective. They have never shut me out and they never failed to communicate or support me as a player but that’s my experience. Noble saying SWTOR is a shell of itself nowadays feels kinda right tbh.. but then again, it still isn’t unfun for me, I do play EU so it’s populated on one server mostly so I never had a problem with activity. Personally im an achievement hunter (100% legacy hunter essentially) so I got a 8 year supply of content regardless. So meh
its an old game. most old mmo's player bases die off. a couple years ago the player base on DCUO was very high when i played on ps4. now a couple years later i installed it on my pc... and theres next to no one playing.
The devs should say screw it and just totally revamp the game's present story in order to bring it into the New Sith Wars era. It's the perfect setting to revitalize interest in the game(as much as you can with Star Wars these days) and it'll be something a lot of SWTOR players have never seen before.
"New sith wars era" what are tou talking about
Welcome back, we've missed you!
Great to see you back!
It's amazing that the SWTOR community continues to uphold the tradition of returning after * years...
It took me a good mental break. I’m not playing swtor like i used to before the shitshow happened in 2022. But i’m back for more content (unfiltered) like this. With this time not being on a leash like when the community dev(s) misunderstood the humour/jokes and my dutch autistic honesty
OMG.... this video KILLS it!
I think what’s really contributing to the death of Soto is the fact that it’s only on the computer frankly if you work with computers all day or work on computers all day you don’t wanna go home and continue to be on a computer. It’s nice to be a vegetable and pick up a controller and play a game. It’s way too long. They should’ve just invested the time to just pouring it already. It’s not that difficult considering that many many more complicated MMO‘s have done so and then they could open the game up to much water audience and build a much larger community. Have a nice ecosystem of different incomes and then push out an expansion, but as it stands right now, the game does not have enough access to the open gaming market like it should traditional standard commute computer MMO’s have been a thing of a bike gone error for a couple years now at this point.
Working on SWTOR has to be the best job in the world. There’s zero accountability to hit deadlines, you can laugh it up in livestreams after you consistently miss those deadlines, low expectations from leadership, and the majority of the player base are such sycophants for the IP they will treat any crumb of content like it’s a banquet. As long as that John Williams music and Ben Burtt sound fx are there like perfume on dog shit there will be ppl who like the smell 😂
No it’s probably the second best…. Star Citizen will always be the first.
Good video. Something has definitely changed over at Bioware / Broadsword. Like most of you guys I've been around since day 1. I went more than 12 years without ever being banned, restricted, or warned on the forums in anyway way. Fast forward to 2024 and I've been restricted 6 times in like 8 weeks simply for being critical of poor changes that the dev team has made with respect to 7.0.
The last time I said "these are changes that no one asked for" I was banned for harassment against the dev team lol. 100% controlling the narrative is their M.O.
Edit: 7 times in 8 weeks now lol.
Yikes for that ban. I too was banned after i had uploaded that video 2 years ago
rp community is still going strong in swtor!
It’s what keeps the game afloat ( i guess ) together with completely new players who experience the game for the first time.
Oh i love when people say - being a dev is hard, but working on an oil platform is harder. Get off your high horse sir!
I now think the main problem is general dev incompetence. They overestimate their abilities and then they can't deliver the content in a presentable way. Every recent update that we got either had some additional problems (the lighting update was neat but it permanently broke shadows and apparently they are not even seeing it as an issue since the errors appear in the official videos now) or was plain bad. It ok to make mistakes, but if the team is unable to acknowledge them or improve, then it becomes a problem. And the recent situation with the face update, that should've never happened in the first place, is showing me that they do not learn or try to learn. They think everything is fine hence they dont need to do anything. I also really dislike the corporate talk which became especially prevalent since Broadsword took over. They keep lying or hiding things that they should be honest about (agent losing their voice or cutscenes losing voice acting) since we will find out eventually. But they wait until the moment it turns into a controversy before even addressing it, ironically sabotaging their own effort to prevent controversies.
I have been playing since early access and I will never stop playing this game. But as much as I want to, it gets more and more difficult to make excuses to this style of development, and we are definitely in the dusk times of SWTOR.
let's be honest without the original class storys the game would be dead xd no new classes, no dungeons or raids usw. the game just feels frozen in time and thats whats wrong
This video comes across as some people complaining because they didn’t get what they thought they deserved. Perhaps it’s time to move on to something else if you feel so jaded by this game.
I can’t speak for anyone else here but I moved on from regularly playing swtor while ago. I still log on here and there to do warzones, but I’m far from jaded. I think people often confuse passion about something with being jaded or complaining. Which is why I don’t really make swtor videos anymore and do other things. I genuinely wish the best for the game, and hope that everyone currently playing enjoys their time! Everyone should experience what this game has to offer, but it would be bad faith to sit here and say that the game is in an amazing place that some are just complaining because they didn’t get what they want. That’s short sighted to say the least.
🤺Offer me money, power too, promise me that! I want my SWTOR back you sunamahbich 💥
content and the lack thereof. We've been grinding the same raids, same pvp, same stuff for years. I just returned from a 2 year break and enjoyed the story catchup, but I'm just finding myself bored when I join any raid group because it's just the same. I'll probably take another 2 years off once my time runs out on the sub again then come back when there is more story to catchup on.
On the role play perspective. Yes we exist. Its geting even more staganting. In my eyes I belive the game devl think we must not even exist. If we want rp, to just do the story content. And yet we fight on....tring to keep up with the lore that exist even before the game was releast. Yet it saddens me when I dont even hear a "opinion'of the rp communety of SWTOR. And yet most of them pay for the stuff that are the in CM and pray new players to just come and rp with us.
There probably has a better SW game for RP, really. Because with just a few emotes and many behind paywalls... no chat bubble... it's hard to make an engaging experience.
If not, should find greener pastures because the RP side will only erode with time.
I left swtor around 3.0 because of the lack of raid content that was going to be released (My entire guild left and went to ffxiv, it was 5x NiM teams at the time, most had cleared everything at the time), i recently returned to discover they only really added like 3 raids and a lair boss over that time period, thats 3 raids over a 8/9 year period. While the new raids are a lot more technical than legacy NiMs, they still feel kinda standard compared to ffxiv. Kinda seems like "Dont worry about content, heres a reskin of a reskin of a reskin for 2,000 cartel coins" kinda thing
Welcome back! You were really missed among the SWTOR community!
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I was thinking of coming back after being gone for almost a decade. Is it worth it to resub for a month? I am mainly a solo pve player.
The Game itself is killing the Community. That new studio is simply not enough to produce and publish a Game as huge as SWTOR.
With little to content updates in months or years yes people are going to leave.
Hi, i´m kinda new in the game (almot 3 yrs), i´m from México and i really want to make SWTOR content in spanish maybe to get new people interested on it. Any sugestions? I know the game isnt in its best shape but i really like it.
Btw, great video, thanks for the collab, we need this kind o content and creators in more languages :3
My suggestion is to just start making the content! The game honestly could use all the love it can get nowedays. And don't be afraid if people dont recognise it immediately. I believe that there is quite a big spanish fanbase who play on the US servers!
If you enjoy the game, why would you reach out to these haters?
These people are not real SWTOR content creators. They're just angry scam artists hating on Star Wars because it gets them clicks.
Now I would say it's time for swtor 2 but then again there isn't anything really wrong with swtor 1. But swtor really do need a new engine. I was playing star wars outlaw and thought...wow this was bad. Hopped back in swtor and I had Abit of fun. But that had me thinking, I wish swtor had outlaw graphical system, maybe star wars battlefront 2 gameplay mechanics. Would make a awesome remaster of the game. Cause I was playing survivors and I wished so bad that this could of been the best star wars mmo. Sadly they didn't do that. Sometimes I wonder if companies really want to make money or not
I think I'll say a little something although I may not have been here since the getgo and have taken some breaks from this game, I feel I'll add in my two cents.
My own reasons for leaving:
This game is boring. Blunt and to the point. 6.0 was just running hammer stations non stop to get the best gear, ok fair enough who wants to do that for gear. When the new gear came out in 7.0, the 340 gear, you had to run R-4 Anomaly. Now, for someone that doesn't do any type of operations until this year because it was easy to get gear from that, it doesn't make sense to change it from flashpoints to just this one operation. So basically, I was hard stuck at ilvl 338 but still able to beat out 340 dpsers at times so it wasn't a big deal. I'll add on gatekeeping the gear, even though no one needs max ilvl gear, people still want max ilvl gear and don't want it stuck behind the "hardest" of content.
Another reason..pvp. I started and enjoyed pvp after the surge stat was removed and enjoyed it all the way up until 7.0 when 8 man premades became a thing. I've dealt with tank and healer combos, tank/healer/1 dps combos and they aren't fun and had to avoid at times but now you're telling me: "hey guys, we got rid of ranked because we wanted to bring down toxicity and yadadada" except it made the game more toxic because now ranked players were playing with the casuals and it's caused all hell to break loose with multiple forum posts that I've had a chuckle at just for them to now reduce the size to 4 man premades but still doesn't fix the issue.
So with that being said, there's nothing for me in this game to do at the time that the max ilvl is 340. Coming back after 4 months, I grinded hard, learning operations that have been out since the beginning that I've never done and have had fun getting to 344.
What's killing the Swtor Community? Easy and short answer? The Devs not listening to the community and not enough content for a subscription price. The focus seems to be on the Cartel Market and the RPers who seemingly buy up all the armor for their RPs. I wouldn't mind it if the gear was being kept behind NIM raids because I wouldn't mind learning the harder content. Maybe it would prompt others to learning NIM, join up communities and not just run SM for the gear. Having new augs without any new content besides 1 Lair Boss is pointless. Once the Devs get out of their own way and listen to the community then I can see this game being more than what this limited vision is.
Reminds me of how SWG went.
any other players that immediatly notices one of em being afk in warframe as i heard "the void be the word, and the word be profit" in one of their mics.
yep thats nef anyo if i ever heard his spammed voice lol. props xD
within like 5s i recognized xD
Snave is a true OG
Snave being interview on what's hurting community. ;)
Idk I still play
Dont let these grifters tell you how to think. You play and enjoy the game and live your best life. Haters just want to drag everyone down to the pit theyre in and grift for ad clicks.
@ I love the game, I'd argue it's better than getting a KOTOR III, because of how many storylines I get out of it. I love the game and I love that it provides me with 8 amazing storylines
The Dutch is strong in this one....
I think the game is just very out dated for modern mmo standards. The combat is archaic and the developers kind of simplify it with every expansion. The story content is pretty good but it seems to be where the bulk of the game's funding goes to. The engine is pretty bad, even by 2011 standards, and certainly by 2024 standards. A lot of the general aesthetic feels outdated such as combat animations, the galaxy feels quite small due to the planets largely having little to do on them aside from quest lines that haven't been touched since 2011, the general gameplay loop a lot of time feels like it is lacking in meaningful substance and is usually a lot of busy work to give a sense of progress. I think the dynamic encounters are a step in the right direction for the game, but I feel as though swtor should tap in to the roleplay side of things more, like SWG did. We have origin stories now instead of "classes" so maybe they could make the nacent period of the game more intricate. Like for example, if you're a Twi'lek you could start on the planet Ry'loth or something to that effect, similar to what Guild Wars 2 does with its races. You go through your own racial story then you're met with a choice to become either a soldier, a mercenary, a smuggler, an imperial agent, or a force wielder (light or dark). They should give you the option to customize your ship, I always thought it was odd that you were always stuck with the same basic ship. I think customization in general could be the saving grace of this game, because right now it's currently lacking in a lot of other areas.
The shit engine they decided to build the game on killed it.. Oh and also making all the content and leveling piss easy.