It's strange to see people debating this in the comments. I suppose some are upset that their favorite class isn't ranked number one, but it's pretty clear the inquisitor stands out as the most powerful in the class stories. They absorb the ghosts of half a dozen powerful force users and even need an ancient Rakata device to strengthen their body just to contain all that power.
@@darthsol658 Power does not necessarily mean the ability to use lightning and such. Also, lethality and skill are part of the formula. Let me ask you a question, how is it the imperial agent can best a member of the dark council who is second to the emperor in power level? There is more to a character than whether or not they can use a lightsaber or summon the force.
@@swcentral I feel like a lot of people forget that all beings are touched by the force. If I remember right, back during the early days of development it was explained that exceptional "non-force users" are like the companions from kotor2, undiscovered force sensitives or those with a force sensitivity just below use. So their reflexes, senses, precognition, and bodies are all naturally strengthened unconsciously through the force. It's the explanation for the heroic in universe NPC's that also go toe to toe with sith or jedi.
@@baseupp12 Depends on how you play as Sith Warrior. That aside in my opinion everybody the Sith Warrior put down, had it coming. Not saying you have to kill everybody, despite popular opinion, that's not how true Sith operate.
@@Fable_7 oh no question most the people you go after did have it coming but for most of your story you're either making Baras stronger or going after those that betrayed you. You got like a handful of times that things you did actually helped the Empire.
@@baseupp12 Well Sith Warriors job is to deal with more obvious traitors imo. The Agent is basically your spy master And Inquisitor is your "Politician"/Investigator/Force forensics
we all know the sith inquisitor is the strongest. being from the lineage of kallig, someone who tulak hord considered a threat, means they have a mass of dormant potential to tap into. the rare ability to consume ancient sith ghosts and other force users gives them access to unlimited power. they don't call them the master of the dead for no reason.
Also dont forget in Shadows of Revan each class gets a class specific quest and the Sith Inquisitor quest is pretty much finding technology in another galaxy that would make them immortal.
My personal rankings 8: Smuggler: The Smuggler ranks lowest primarily because the Smuggler doesn't go up many powerful enemies of note that aren't faced by the other classes. Most of the enemies in the Smuggler storyline weren't strong enough Force Wielders to become well known among the Jedi and Sith, and most of their personal victories can be attributed to overconfident or outright incompetent opposition. Even the Force Sensitive Addict could be dismissed by the potential of delusions of grandeur exaggerating his abilities to believe he was invincible in the face of a weaker enemy. 7: Jedi Consular: The Jedi Consular is the lowest ranked out of the Force Sensitive Classes. Before The Jedi Consular being able to defeat the Sith Plague regardless of how many masters were cured of the plague by the Technique would indicate that they are stronger than the average Force Users. The Consular defeats 4 Jedi Masters prior to defeating Lord Vivicar, but their sickened minds and limited reputation make it debatable if their strengths are notable. The Councilor can also choose not to cure some of the Masters, typically by killing them and no longer needs to protect the shielded masters after the Plague is stopped by killing or shielding Parkanas. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that the Consular is comparable to the classes that go up against Jedi Masters and Sith Lords that earn their reputations on the battlefield. Defeating the Children of the Emperor is a more notable feat, as this occurred after the Plague had been dealt with, when the Consular was at full strength. However, the Children of the Emperor don't appear to be much stronger different in power compared to the Sith Lords faced by the other classes, primarily because most of the Children the Consular faced were used as Sleeper Agents rather than Warriors. 6: Imperial Agent: Because of the Imperial Agent's being sent after more strategic targets, most of the Imperial Agents victories are a result of superior planning. Their most powerful enemies were the Star Cabal. The Star Cabal relied on similarly on secrecy, and was defeated by surviving their assassins long enough to find out their secrets and expose them. The Agent does have the chance to go up against a few Jedi and Sith without preparation, which seems to suggest that they're highly capable in a fight. the most powerful of them is Darth Jadus, which required using Watcher 2's plan to prevent his escape and this was in part because the Agent obtaining the Eagle's Codes made the Agent necessary for controlling the Eradicators. But being able to survive a battle against a Dark Council Member said to be second to the Emperor in terms of power is still a more impressive feat than most of the non-force sensitive classes have. 5: Trooper: The Trooper has fought against enemies that posed more credible threats than the Smuggler. A couple if Sith Lords during the campaign against the General Rakton. The Trooper also fights a number of giant war machines on foot throughout the story, which is usually a feat usually performed by the Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior at that level of frequency. 4: The Bounty Hunter: A few of the Bounty Hunters biggest targets were more reputable Jedi Masters than the ones faced by the Jedi Consular, including 2 Masters that won victories against the Mandalorians. The Bounty Hunter also has the option to kill a reputable Dark Council member, more specifically one known solely for his contributions on the battlefield. 3: Sith Warrior: The Sith Warrior was recognized as being powerful even before reaching Korriban. Darth Vengen claimed that Baras was insignificant before taking the Warrior as an apprentice, and the failure to defeat the Warrior in front of the Dark Council is proof of this. Baras sent his apprentice to face Jedi he'd historically failed against in the past and the Warrior defeated them with ease. Many Jedi Knights and Masters fell to the Warrior before he was selected as the Emperor's Wrath. The Warrior also thwarted Quinn's plan based on studying the Warriors victories, indicating that those battles hadn't even revealed his limits. He defeated all of Baras's most powerful minions on Corelia before facing Baras on Korriban. This reputation rivals some of the most powerful members of the Dark Council. 2. Jedi Knight: The Jedi Knight was selected to join the mission to capture Vitiate because of his victory against Darth Angral of the Dark Council. After defeating the Sith Warrior's predecessor, he would later face the Emperor himself after breaking free from his control. The other Sith and fallen Jedi fought along the way hardly need to be considered. Defeating Angral was already comparable to the victories against Darth Jadus, Darth Baras and his former master, and Darth Tormen. Defeating the Emperor, more so if you consider the option allow Vitiate to gain more power if you save one of the Jedi Knight's companions, is an incredible feat that just surpasses anything most of the other classes ever achieved. 1. Sith Inquisitor: The Sith Inquisitor's ability to gain power by absorbing the spirits of ancient Sith Lords elevated them to a position worthy of the Dark Council. Unlike the hard fought victory against Darth Baras, the Sith Inquisitor reached their position by becoming powerful enough to that a Darth Thanaton failed to kill them multiple times. Unlike Darth Baras, several of these attempts were handled personally and it was the Sith Inquisitor's rapidly growing power that saved them. The Sith Inquisitor's position on the Dark Council allowed them to continue seeking new ways to continue expanding their powers, including making further use of the enhancements made of Rakattan Technology to extend their lifespan and grow in power.
Personal, I think that the Smuggler should have been lower, as the Force Sensitive addict was not TRAINED to use the force. Therefore had less chance against the smuggler. As for my favorite class, the Sith Warrior, let’s just say that I imagine they would be better with Darth Jaesa Willsaam by their side
Furthermore the guy was in stasis for years. Major rust. Finally the Trooper on Voss and on Belsavis takes down 2 Sith Lords in total. Far greater opponents than any of the Smuggler's omes.
Yeah and yet the damn devs have yet to make our inquisitor Emperor or Empress. I mean when it comes to the strongest in game. Players are one thing. But our character also happens to be the most powerful in the game. time and time again we kill, defeat or make our enemies and rivals bend the knee. Yet time and time again the devs won’t make us emperor even though our character talks about wanting to rule constantly… even as emperor there is still a lot we can do. after all our character regardless if a sith warrior or inquisitor says from the get go they prefer to lead by example. with that line alone would make way for more content and story. Furthermore the game might be based on the old republic but we are able to change history and possibly even the fate of the Sith. Swtor could technically make it an alternate universe/reality so to speak. That and think about it the only true threats to our Darth Nox is the former dark council members. 3 are alive Volron, Malgus and the empress herself. Same with Shaar but she wasn’t a dark councilor at the time. Plus the only true reason the empress had no challenge taking the throne was because Nox was literally frozen for 5 years. When Nox returned we became even more powerful more quickly and caught up to Arcann and Vaylina power within months, days even. Nox pretty much ran the Dark council too with the acception of Darth Marr’s help. Volron won’t raise a hand to us unless forced too, we beat malgus twice and now we are going to have to kill him (finally) or force him to bend the bend and serve us. after that however I have a feeling the devs might try something. like we can only take the throne after dealing with Malgus and Shae. at least that is the feeling I got. Idk about everyone else.
I mean the Empress feels so threatened by us she is trying to have rivix keep secrets and information… Rivix however is smart and if there is anyone in the galaxy he won’t challenge or keep secrets from it’s Nox. especially considering Nox is the most powerful Sith alive. The way I see it and this is just a theory. Rivix and the empress knows we are still far more powerful than them all. That is why they are keeping secrets. We were frozen for 5 years and yet became stronger than ever before. that and if the empress knows anything it’s that Darth Nox (us the player) is not just the most powerful but we far from stupid. Any wrong move against us. The empress will find herself thrown in the nearest star who we threatened to do to the Emperor lol (I still think that was a funny chat). To finish off everything I mean what do you guys think?. Because I personally believe the empress isn’t strong or smart enough to challenge us directly yet. And she tries to avoid our questions and whenever we mock her. Like in our first meeting with her when we first returned?. She didn’t avoid what we said because she was more powerful. Seemed like she avoided it because she knew we were more powerful. Not to mention in private the empress seemed more scared and terrified of us than in public. Did anyone else notice that little change in her?.
AGreed 100%, If you count EVERYTHING the player did, Every single Side-Quest, Every Operation,... The Player character is just the Most powerfull entity in the Old Republic by then. I'd go as far as calling them the Physical Representation of the Force itself. The Player Defeated Ancient Evils, Terrors from Beyond the Galaxy, Galaxy Destroying threats,... The List keeps going on and on and on,... Their deeds surpassed Both Luke And Anakin Skywalkers combined. It's crazy what the Player regardless of their class did by now. IF and this is a Big-damn-IF, IF the Chosen One Prophecy existed during the Old Republic era, i'd be damn sure our character is one. But alas, it's hell-bent in being exclusive to the Skywalkers. I have the feeling our character is unstoppable by now, In recent storylines they start showing that we aren't as invulnerable as we believe cuz the Mandalorians Kick our ass a few times. But having such a massive list of achievements... When and how is it going to end? How is our character going to die? Will they Die? Will the Force turn against us now that we have fullfilled our duty and ended the Immortal Emperor because afterall, 'The Force seeks balance, always' as a great man once said, so... Now that we have barely any True Rivals, will The Force balance itself by turning against us now cuz the Player is all-powerfull now? who knows.... ☺
@@galacticfirefly like fr tho. At this point like our character might as well be the reincarnation of Sith King Adas. Like that’s how powerful our character is not mention how much we have achieved over the years in game.
@@galacticfirefly idk if my other comment went through. But I also said too that if you pay attention to the empress and how she acts it changes. Volron, her and Malgus are the only other ones that can actually challenge us. But have ya noticed how different the empress acts?. If you are out in public like when we visit the “new” empire she acts tuff, confident and like a leader. But after you get on the shuttle and crash and are alone with her. You can hear the fear and panic in her voice like she thinks we are going to blast her with a ton of force lightning. I’ve noticed this when i played and was being angry and mocking her. But I got no clue if anyone else noticed this. Like she can get angry all she wants. But what will happen to the empire if we defeat Malgus and force him to bend the knee and serve us?. Plus we got the former Emperor Arcann (if you save him), Lana, possibly, Darth Malora too. Then you got the republic like Theron, possibly Sah’ar and her brother if we get that chance, The other Mandos too (Because let’s face the facts they ain’t returning to Shae or hetta and Shae’s second in command will more then likely join us considering we have saved their people countless times). Moff Pyron will more then likely join us considering his history with working with Nox. Plus I highly doubt Pyron will join the empress due to the fact that he himself knows what we are capable of and how powerful we are. Nox joined the dark council at a young age and possibly even the youngest dark council member known to the empire as well and the most powerful. And what does the empress have?. Some newbie Dark council members who we can literally destroy with ease?. We already did it once. So I am very very curious to see how this plays out.
the consular could defeat the first son nerfed, and with lord vivicar defeated is obvious that the healing ritual was not needed anymore, so like you said, his power would return eventualy, that makes the consular, equal or superior to the inquisitor in terms of own power (without any power up or ritual to increase his power) IMO the counsular and the inquisitor are equal in power, (only if the inquisitor use the light side chose to release de ghost obviously.). both are the perfect exaple of "knowledge means power".
Barsenthor is stronger it boggles my mind that people keep putting him so low on their list. His feats eclipse all others. People tend to forge that the Jedi knight loses in his story along with the other masters and gets mind controlled. As well as the inquisitor being outplayed by Thanatos and losing as well. Barsenthor is undefeated both politically and in battle. Also within in cutscenes he by far displays the most force power. Glad someone puts Barsenthor in a good light. People overrate them force ghosts to be honest like way too much. Inquisitor beats a rat that being darth Thanatos who was not near baaras power and leagues from marrs power. Barsenthor beats elite Jedi masters as well as one of the most elite Jedi masters at the end of the story
@@jacobbechtel9935 Why are you referring to the Consular and others as specifically being male? Who's to say the Consular isn't female? Don't just assume the other 7 class characters in SWTOR are all male either.
I love sith inquisitor not because it's powerful but for making you feel dark lord experience. I mean, doing war crimes, questionable choices and even having your own superweapon "Silencer"
It is stated by Master Vandar (the Yoda-race Jedi Master from the Noetikons) that once the Consular defeats the Plaguemaster, his/her power will be restored.
Yep, he says that. But we don't see it happen. It's like the devs forgot all about it. There wasn't even an acknowledgment after. Call me stubborn, but if you don't see it happen, it means it didn't happen hehe. Vandar was possibly speaking in speculation, there was ahrdly any evidence to back up what he was saying given the last person to try it, died. Again, I know it's a stubborn stance to take, but this video was built on my opinion and interpretation of the lore :)
This is a TRUE observation. HOWEVER, I find it disturbing in the latest expansions that ALL SUPER class with FORCE Power are reduced to a weak mortal when faced with HETA's attacks in "Showdown on Ruhnuk”. The DEV are going to have to or should indivdualize the Player character based on descisions and POWER level. Inquisitor's that kept their Ghosts and did not free them, would be more Powerful in End-Game missions and stories. 🧐
Heta Kol is a downright embarrassment for her to be a threat. Sure, when they were implementing hit and run tactics and were still mostly hidden they were a problem but knowing who and what the Hidden Chain is...they're a speed bump.
With the inquisitor, one of my favorite scenes in the game is confronting The Veil on Nar Shaddaa. The whole back and forth and The Veil saying that if any of them die, the room will explode killing the inquisitor too. Inquisitor then proceeds to fry them one at a time until they get to the third and last guy. He give the inquisitor the CN-12 and begs for his life. In inquisitor says "You never should have challenged me" and proceeds to nuke The Veil. Fantastic outcome :D Theres also the thing of the inquisitor being the only class that gets a unique title at the end of the story depending on their force alignment. And if you are a light side inquisitor, you can choose to release the ghosts giving them freedom and peace.
I'm glad that Star Wars the old Republic gets some love because every video that talks about a lore of Star Wars never goes dead in depth into this amazing game while I have not played it for years on top of years I used to play more than thousands hours of this but I'm not able to get back into it because I've played it so much time I got burned out of it but I still love the lore about it , I think it it's one of the most fascinating times in the Star Wars history,
IA and BH make sense to me - they have to be exceptionally skilled to even be able to take down an average Sith or Jedi, and their missions often have them do it alone/with only their companion - who, lore wise, are almost all significantly weaker than the player. Mandalorians were famed Jedi-killers, so that was the least shocking of the 2 and would prompt me to put the BH higher. That being said, the Agent being able to take down multiple Jedi "alone" as well as resist the power of (apparently) the 2nd most powerful Sith in the Empire was no small feat either.
The sith warrior defeated the emperor's voice, which while in a Voss body, was also possessed by a pure force entity. I personally rank that higher as defeating a weakened emperor's voice by the jedi knight
I have been saying this for YEARS! You also didn’t mention how the Inquisitor literally kills a DARK LORD OF THE SITH… literally fresh off Korriban 😆 that’s when I KNEW that the Sith Inquisitor was simply built different from ALL the other classes! I do like how you have the what if for a dark side Consular being higher and even rivaling the inquisitor and I definitely could see that. I honestly myself would’ve thought I dark side Jedi Knight would be more powerful… but that’s just me, lol I love the dark side Jedi Knight. Regardless I agree with the rankings! An amazing video! 👏🏽
I really appreciate this man. I think these chracters are highly underatted. When you look at the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt he had the skill and abilities to combat a darkside nexu beast without even using the force. Which was known to kill generations of Mandalorian warriors. He is capable killing highly trained Rist House of assassin's who were legendary for their espionage,infiltration and assassination methods. Also able to hold his own against Revan who was known to kill armies of Mandalorian warriors and Mandalore the ultimate. Who was stated by Canderous Ordo to be the best of the Mandalorians. This not only puts the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt on par with Mandalore the ultimate but even likely surpassing him. It is no doubt in my mind that the Great Hunt was certainly a test for the players character to be groomed to be the next Mandalore. Arts lok Mandalore the Vindicated called the future Grand Champion of the Great Hunt to be his replacement for the legendary blacklist. This would mean he is on the same skill level as Mandalore the Vindicated in order for him to be worthy of being Mandalore's replacement. That would put the player's character to be the 2nd strongest Mandalorian in all of the clans. These feats are only stratching the surface. He might just be the most skilled Mandalorian in all of the lore.
Uh excuse me but the Bounty Hunter isn't confirmed to be specifically a male, which is why you can have both female & male bounty hunter class characters. Pleas stop referring to class characters as one sex and start using more gender neutral terms please since you can be either gender for all 8 classes.
I would put the Bounty Hunter as #5, with #4 as the Sith Warrior, #3 as the Agent, #2 as the Knight, and #1 as the Inquisitor. So just swapping two classes around. Anyway, great job.
Great video, i like your placements overall. I understand why the agent and hunter are placed where they are but I would personally put the agent above the hunter due to the agent's superior intellect. I always saw the imperial agent as the Batman of the Star Wars universe.
That’s a brilliant point. And I absolutely took that into consideration myself too, my conclusion was the IA is a far better strategist and executioner. However, the BH is also as effective if they have a bounty to collect. Albeit with less subtle tactics. If they are both aware of each other, then I see both being able to prepare for their encounters and survive. I think one would need stealth to take the upper hand after all. Hmmm… seems I just found my own new point as to why the IA should be slightly higher. Interesting comment friend.
10:58 I would say what makes the agent and hunter so powerful in SWTOR story is that because they are not center stage characters they have the most agency in their story with the influence of the will of the force next to nonexistent
Not to mention being “rebuilt” and probably empowered by the mother machine and expanding their lifespan on Rishi. The sith inquisitor is basically immortal
I mostly agree with your list, and you bring up good points. The Inquisitor is one of my personal favorites as well. I'd say Knight would be second because it continued the Revan arc a little before Shadow of Revan. Overall good video!
Remember on Voss, when The Sith Warrior actually defeated the spiritual Dark entity thing, which TRAPPED THE EMPEROR INSIDE HIS VOICES BODY? Or maybe I misread sth.
It really depends on the parameters for the estimation. For example, the Smuggler has the option to become the head of an entire pirate fleet, but in the actual story, he doesn't really do anything with it. We can now ignore this manpower or not. The Agent overcomes mindcontrol, but so does the Jedi-Knight and while the latter's is a spiritual one, the former's is just a matter of chemicals. Also, how do Jadus, Baras, and Thanaton rank in power? How do they rank in comparison to the Emperor the Jedi-Knight kills? What allows the Inquisitor to control the Dashade early on? Is it his ancestry or his power? Or was the Dashade truly weakened from the long time in stasis? Also, even with the healing rituals, the Consular is mentioned early on to be a generational talent. At the same time, the Inquisitor starts out as a slave, so was he born into slavery or was he captured despite of his innate power? And finally, when we consider power, are we looking at what they achieve during their story lines or what they could achieve? Could the Inquisitor defeat the Emperor like the Jedi-Knight did if he wanted to? In the end, it really depends on what we include and how we measure or weigh these elements.
Legend says that before the fiasco of 7.0, Sith Warrior used to be a nightmare to deal with due to Grit Teeth and DPS spec can guard. Now? Sith Inquisitor ranks the best due to well.... its high internal damage abilities. These cannot be shielded or absorbed.
Yep. Sith warruor and jedi guardian (as tanks) with grit teeth were absolutely beasts. I loved doing pvp with them, and regularly held off like 2-3 people solo.
Barsenthor is the strongest and everyone underrates the hell out of him. Here’s some of the reasons. One is not only was he prodigy of the force given in the prologue able to master the force at I believe four. Ok so was the Jedi knight though. Well allow me, Barsenthor was given the title of Jedi master before the knight as the knight gets it in chapter 3. Not only this but Barsenthor gets the title Barsenthor which is the rarest title handed out by the counsel, I mean so rare in ways your already above Shan in title. Now Barsenthor then takes out various Jedi masters in chapter one. Rather he kills or saves them. Then someone may ask as this video says but doesn’t he give up his power when doing the ritual. Yes he does but doesn’t that make him more impressive as he still whoops everyone else’s ass with less power even beating the child of the emperor. Who assume is next to the emperor in power at this time. The knight does beat the emperor’s old decrepit form who was already weakened by the warrior might I add. Baresenthor beats not only all the children except Kira but the main child of the emperor who is a very very strong Jedi master up with Shan I believe in this time period. Barsenthor is also the wisest maybe not the most intelligent but close to it. I would give most intelligent to cipher most likely. Barsenthor is smart enough and strong enough to learn the ritual to save them from an ancient force disease. One that is not only hard to learn but requires great power. The inquisitor is easily fooled and over cocky as well. I mean how strong do you think these force ghosts made him. I feel like it’s very overrated. Anyway Barsenthor is the number one in terms of strength overall, I had to stand up for the guy here but great lists.
At the end I believe the jedi Knight and sith warrior are evenly matched and the pinnacle of power that either side could offer, with the inquisitor being slightly above them simply for his force ghost steroids and rakata tuning. I see the inquisitor bound to become a new Emperor level threat. The I can agree with and it's true that the bounty hunter and agent are hella OP but I genuinely don't believe they can beat the big 3. Unless one magically finds ysalamiri
I have played all the classes over the years. I had my Legacy title for a long time, though I have not played since BW was still in charge. For my choice in story, Agent was my absolute favorite but my least favorite class to play, then Sith Warrior and Bounty Hunter are kind of tied. But that is just my personal opinion. Juggernaut was always my favorite class to play overall. I could DPS or Tank and I kept a set for each on my at all time to fill whatever roll was needed. Then the Dual Class came out so I built up a Sorc to heal. So my main toon can do whatever roll is needed for Raids. My 2nd favorite was Powertech for the same reason, I could Tank or DPS as needed, then tossed in Merc heals.
I think you've missed that the JC is a complete Force prodigy, unlike the Knight who is just decently talented. It's meant to be that the JC is INCREDIBLY skilled and powerful even from a young age (as early as 4 years) with the Force, extremely unique in the Order. They are essentially the Yoda or EU Luke to the JK's Anakin, so I would certainly rate them higher than the Knight, about equal to the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor is strong, but highly reliant on external powers like their powerbase and arcane rituals, which makes them extremely vulnerable to abandonment by the DS or betrayal. The JC is essentially pure Force power, but sadly, we don't really get to see that in their story as they have to play second fiddle to the JK. I'd say though the SW is the most powerful class overall. The JK feels close to KOTOR 1 Revan, but the Warrior feels like TFU1 Starkiller. The Knight may very well be the most 'raw skilled' with a saber, but the Warrior embodies being the Wrath, bringing a clarity and will that the JK can't match because they are 'only just a Jedi'. They go through the entire story without ever losing themselves like the JK, or needing to tap into another power source like the SI. They are the ultimate Sith, ESPECIALLY if played LS where they overcome the weaknesses of ordinary Sith.
It feels right this way. Darth Nox should be at the top in terms of total power. He is a true Sith Lord, who holds significant political power, has a power base that consists of a fleet equipped with Silencer superweapons, a cult and countless followers, many favours with the Imperial military, researchers at his disposal like Major Ilun and the sniveling worm he saved from Lord Gratham's estate. Don't forget Darth Achelon and his fleet, Lord Skar and who else if he didn't kill them before. And all their resources. He singlehandedly killed Darth Thanaton in fair combat, has the raw power of five Sith Lords at his disposal. After becoming immune to the side-effects of Forcewalking by being rebuilt on a cellular level by the Mother Machine he could have absorbed Tenebrae, but he chose not to. Maybe he didn't trust that one as powerful as Tenebrae would stay silent? Nevertheless there were other ways to immortality, remember the research into the alien technology on Rishi. Or the artifacts in Valkorion's vault on Nathema. If Darth Nox's story continues, he will find a way! This is why the character in this class should be at the top of your Legacy.
I actually really like this ranking. I’m not confident I do agree, I think consular and knight probably play stronger even with consular weakened. Also doesn’t bounty hunter get completely ragdolled by darth marr in a cutscene if you get mouthy with him? Other than that, I hadn’t realized that he never lost. I do appreciate that you put agent high, they’re disturbingly good at combat. But they’re also officially enhanced physically and mentally I think (and possibly in the force depending on how the darth jadus imbuement stuff goes)
Oh it's definitely the Sith Inquisitor, the ability to bind Ghosts grants them well...... UNLIMITED PPPPOOOWWWWEERRRR!!! Imagine them binding every Ghost of Strong Force Sensitives (such as Voss) or Jedi and enemy Sith or simply strong Ghosts wondering around (Like Tulak Hord on Yavin 4), the Light Side Revan (Or after they recombined) and even Tenebrae. The Mother Machine also modified our body (possible giving us Immortality) and that Rishi Machine extends our life, the Sith Inquisitor has so much potential and sadly they've been wasted. We better get a Sith Inquisitor option to break Malgus and bring him under our control or atleast his Ghost if we kill him.
The smuggler also fights a whole squad of Abyssians, which, just like the gendai, can also regenerate. Also, I'd say the Bounty Hunter is right where he should be. On top of that, the consular is much more fun as a dark side consular.
Glad to see my main since launch at number one. Darth Nox. The slave who became a god. One thing I will give the Knight credit for... assuming he is our canon outlander, which I think he is... this would mean he killed the Emperor... over... and over... and over again. I think he slots in slightly above Darth Nox.
Bounty hunter hasn't defeated anyone who would compare well against the Emperor, and Imperial agent having an opportunity to defeat Jaedus looks a lot more like a failsafe in case the player fails to talk him down, than the actual outcome of their confrontation. The same way we assume the Inquisitor keeps the ghosts, we should assume that Jaedus didn't fight Cipher 9. With that said - in no way should those two be at second place, more like the fourth, after the knight and the warrior.
@@swcentral Well don't let idiots get ya down over it. Hell I grew up running cattle (just look at my name lol) so you can imagine the fkn Texas hic accent I have lol. Joking is 1 thing,being a douche is another. Shit like that we have no control over so fk em. Have a good 1 brother!
@@texasdad2372 Don't even sweat it! Where I'm from you can't walk into a room of familiar faces without someone saying "You alright dickhead?" or something like that haha. Banter is a huge part of my own personality and culture. Don't mind at all, especially when it's funny! Take care and stay safe friend
Smuggler, you just a random bucko whos ship was stolen which triggered domino effect And now you fight dudes with gypsy magic, dread masters, the emperor and his kids with your funny jokes, lether jacket and "torchy" and infinite amount of luck (strongest powuh) Second close would be Nox because gosh plot armour is strong with this one, should have been dead a long time ago, but plot armour just keeps this Mf alive no matter how hard Nox trying to die. Impressive but not the first place because its less impressive due to Noxs knowlege of gypsy magic
I think it's strange people still try to figure out or decide who the strongest class is. The creators and writers for SWTOR have already stated who the moat powerful character was (not even class character but most powerful of all the characters in the game) Hall Hood (the writer for the Jedi Knight and Smuggler stroylines), Charles Boyd (the writer for the Trooper stroyline), Drew Karpyshyn (had input for the jedi knight storyline and overall setting of the game) Daniel Erickson (lead writer and oversaw all the storylines) all admited that the Hero of Tython (lightside options) is the most powerful character 2nd to only Vitiate during the main 3 chapters. According to Hall and Drew when the Hero of Tython fought Vitiate on Dromund Kass, they admitted that it was Vitiate's body and not a his voice. They also stated the time it took the Hero to fight through droumund kaas and the extra time spent going back to save Kira was enough time to get Vitiate back to nearly full strength. They noted that Droumund Kaas is already a powerful dark side Nexus and the dark temple is an even more powerful nexus and it gave Vitiate a huge boost and gave the Hero a huge disadvantage. They stated the Hero of Tython did infact defeat Vitate at nearly his full power even more powerful than when Revan, Meetra and Scourge went to face him hundreds of years prior. Hall and Drew went on to say the Emperor retreated his essence to Yavin 4 to regain his strength. They stated the Emperor actually had fear that he was about to be killed and vanquished by the Hero. I believe but don't quote me that Daniel stated that if the Hero of Tython gave everything he had in every fight no character besides Vitiate could stand a chance and that the Hero only uses as much power and skill as he needs to. The Hero has huge potential and reserves of force power and has still never shown his full power in the force or skill in lighsaber combat in game.
I absolutely love this! Do you have a source I don’t think I saw you mention where this was said? Anyways, it all falls apart with expansions and especially the newer stuff around the emperor. They retconned some stuff or, got it wrong I guess… RoTHC states that it was the voice who died on DK and not the actual emperor. Being the body of vitiate doesn’t make much sense when that body was abandoned during or after the Revan novel. Maybe even before it it’s hard to tell! Then of course, the emperor was not defeated after all and instead staged his death so he could abandon the empire. As per shadow of Revan. Then Kotfe and KOTET which state that Vitiates essence regroups with Valkorion, finally bringing him back to the actual 100% power level. As before he was split among many. There is more, but I love what you said still. If they actually did say those things, then it certainly wasn’t respected moving forward.
@@swcentralI'll try finding the source. It was a video from a game convention where some of the developers and writers had a interview or like one of those sit down and answer audience questions and during that Hall Hood and Drew Karpyshyn who both wrote the jedi knight storyline admitted that the Jedi Knight was the strongest character in the game aside from the Emperor himself at full power. And yes expansions, new writers and obviously trying to mold the story can sometimes retcon or contradict past story line lore and new writers that don't have the same vision and plan. But as far as the original 3 chapters for the knight goes the envision the Hero of Tyrhon to be an overpowered jedi who held back all the time because he knew how powerful he was and his goal was to help and protect and not flaunt and sho off his power. I think Drew made a joke during the meet where he said something along the lines of "The Hero would embarrass the jedi council during the time of the Clone wars in both strength in the force and lightsaber combat" i found it funny cause I always see the Old Republic jedi as far superior to Clone Wars and even high Republic jedi but for 1 jedi to outmatched the entire high Council is funny. And the thing with the voice of the Emperor is always a big topic. Yes the writers contradicted Drew Karpyshyns vision and story which is weird cause the lead writer for RoTHC was Hall Hood so I guess it got overlooked or Hall Hood and Drew retconned RotHC story after the fact but yes at least according to Hall Hood and Drew Karpyshyn, the jedi knight fought a sorta weakened sorted amped monstrosity of a Sith in Vitiate and that was his og body as vitiate and his essence escaped.
I would argue the Imperial Agent or Sith Inquisitor hold the place, because of two key reasons. Direct Power. And Intellect. In the Old Republic Era, brains overcome brawn more often than not. Look at the Hope Cinematic. Jace Malcom faces Darth Malgus and does serious damage, because he thinks outside the box. He activates a Grenade at point blank range. Malgus can’t knock it away, so he basically eats it. And the Imperial Agent is a stealth operative, or unparalleled sniper. They’re also canonically very intelligent, or at least that’s what I was led to believe. So the Imperial Agent would be the most powerful because they meticulously plan and predict their enemy’s tactics and skills. Same way that HK-47 became the Galaxy’s deadliest Assassin Droid. Wide variety of tools, proper tactics, so on, so forth. They are also ID’d as Commander, in Shadow Of Revan. So they have bodies they can throw at a problem to figure out solutions. The Sith Inquisitor would be the most powerful because they ate all those Force Ghosts, and have an army and starships, forces they can call on. In the end, what I’d judge the strongest on, is not just individual might, but also allies, subordinates, and intellect. If they plan around me and kill me before I see them, that’s a point for them, not against them. And if you make it a 1V1 for all of them, you would need to include the arena, and what type. I don’t see the Imperial Agent fighting fair. They’ll stick to the shadows, watching until someone’s weak, picking them off, and moving on. The Jedi Knight will be a beacon, and get targeted real quick. The Sith Inquisitor will play it smart, totally. Also, on a side note… I love how the Smuggler is the one with a Mandalorian Anti Jedi Weapon! Not the Bounty Hunter.
So if a Dark Side Consular rivals a Dark Side Inquisitor, would a Light Side Consular rival a Light Side Inquisitor in your opinion? I have my Consular and Inquisitor as father and daughter in my game, both light sided, and I write them as equally matched. Just curious what someone else thinks :)
I would say a LS Inquisitor is equal to, or slightly greater than the LS Consular. As by the end, the Inquisitor frees the ghosts and returns to their original power level. Albeit, at that power level they were able to defeat the Dashade which is quite incredible, especially when you consider that Dashade also went toe to toe with Tulak Hord one time. I'd have to give it some more thought maybe... But off the bat I would place the LS Inquisitor between LS Consular and LS Knight.
@@swcentral I think we stilll need to differetiate. A Sith Inquisitor CAN Free the Ghost even at Dark Side when they all were bound by a Blood Ritual...but in this Case one Ghost (probably the strongest in Horak-Mul) will be with him) Only a fully Light-Sided Inquisitor can not only free all Ghost but let them become one with the Force. I personally free the Ghost outside of Horak Mul ...with the Explanation that because he was a Slave he hates taking Slaves...he wants them to follow him on their own will and will take a given Word serious (of course he manipulates them to follow him...he is a Sith after all^^).
@@swcentral LS Inquisitor and LS Consular are tied i believe since their physical feats are extrordinary. The Consular survived taking down Afflicted Jedi Masters while also getting severly weakened every time. The Inquisitor survived having his body and mind greatly tormented and endured long enough to heal him/herself. And while the Inquisitor prior to becoming Sith had a far rougher life we need to emphasize that the Consular while weakened was facing far greater threats than those the Inquisitor was facing during his weakened phase. So i'd say they are tied.
as a bounty hunter main, i think my guy could take a smuggler, consular, and trooper, but sith warrior and jedi knight?? i feel like theyd rip me to shreds...
Disagree, you’re quite likely to beat them or even carbonize them. Based on their skill level and experience fighting other Sith and or Jedi. The Hunter takes down Tormen & a Jedi battle master. They’re not to be taken lightly.
@@swcentral idk i feel like it would be a solid battle, Darth torman, kellian jarro, and jun serros are all powerful, but the emperor’s chosen and the one who originally slayed him? You make some great points in your video and i do think the BH has a large amount of strong enemies killed, I’m not entirely sure i want to put the BH above JK or SW. great video tho!
The fact that we almost get killed as a sith warrior/inquisitior by heta kols underling who just awakened the force is stupid the wrath and nox should be a endgame boss lvl threat
I like this except you left out what happened to the Inquisitor. They consumed so much power they had to go on the hunt for a way not to burn out and go crazy. They ended up at the Mother Machine who altered the Inquisitors body to contain more power. This meas the Inquisitor can obtain and hold more power than any other class. THIS is what makes the Inquisitor so powerful. They were altered on a genetic level to be a bad-ass. Can't get better than that!
Indeed! The mother machine on Belsavis was Rakata technology. The software was AI that had learned to defend its creations from the “masters” who wanted to enslave them. This machine created the Zabrak species and more :)
I always thought that the jedi counsilor would get theyr power back only if the people he used the healing ability on died he would only then get hiss power back
It’s mentioned that is what *should* happen but we don’t see any mention of it or see it during the moment if Vivicars healing session. Nonetheless, the ritual was still used many times after that moment.
Story aside i play without companions. So all classes without high shield uptime and selfheal are out of the picture. Killing champions or groups of gold mobs without the help of a companion is the hardest way to play the game. In 7.6 only the balance consular and madness sorcerer are left. No tank can do it, healers maybe but it is slow and painfull. Scrapper Scoundrel used to be the best before but his healing isn't as good as it was and he can't remove robots from a fight. So the casters are the best self sustaining classes in 7.6 if you play without companions. All others just die because of the long cooldonws of their defensive or healing powers.
I agree, Im above them all. even if we all were forced to fight eachother, I would just easily killed Consular that would most likely went for my head sensing my power, consume his Force Ghost and then consume Force Ghosts of all others that were killed and finish the survivors
well done central the inquistor truly is the most powerful even if you disagree with central opnion that's the beauty we can each have our own thoughts on the situation again great work central as always
I would say the LS Consular should be, at worst, tied with the DS Agent... Since they’re able to take on and win against the Emperor’s Children, especially the First Son, in less-than-ideal circumstances... Plus killing Marr’s Apprentice, Lacharis on Balmora...
I understand that, but a pure LS Consular loses power and life force the further they get into the story. That’s the thing that brings it down for my list :)
Of course the sith inqusitor is the best. There is a brilliantly written story of the true nobody who became the galaxys greatest power. (Playing a female character, his true sadistic self and humor come through even more. His dubbing is perfect)
The Imperial Agent/Bounty Hunter is not defeating the Sith Warrior/Jedi Knight. Just because they have 'more' feats than the other two, that simply comes down to a matter of opportunity and do you think the Warrior/Knight would actually struggle to accomplish the same kills those two did? The Inquisitor I agree becomes the most powerful out of all the classes but its definitely followed up by the Knight and Warrior. Feats are simply a matter of opportunity, but the common sense eye test easily pushes the BH/Agent behind those two. I'll grant you on the Consular though, they did greatly diminish their power.
Except in game dialogue makes it clear that the defeat of the Plaguemaster restores their power. The video dismisses this with no merit-based reason, it is a subjective opinion of "nuh uh" to justify its low ranking. He even admits in the video that it says he will get it back, but since the game didn't outright show this, the assumption was it didn't happen, which is non sense as the same amount of evidence under that logic could say he does, we 'see' no evidence that it has not returned. Cherry on top we get dialogue that says it does as mentioned already so this was just a personal justification and shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
Ergast, Darth Andru, Kalatosh Zavros, Horak'mul. Who's the fifth ghost? Are you counting Kallig? I finished the Inquisitor's story this week and there was no other ghost.
Cringequisitor is annihilated by the knight or warrior, basing so much on who they killed doesn't make sense because more goes into a fight than raw power, a weaker person can get lucky or beat someone stronger with circumstances. Agent/bh above any force sensitive even consular is just lmao. Yea maybe agent can have some scheme and win but like batman vs. superman sure batman can win with some plan but you wouldn't say he's more powerful, if superman went to kill batman without giving him prep time he'd just snap his neck. The 4 non-force classes are automatically at the bottom, warrior solo would wipe out all 4 of them together in under a minute, a few more minutes if he was facing all their companions too. Actual rankings are warrior/knight (also the ones that canonically would do the later stories, smuggler isn't beating Valkorion lol) >inquisitor/consular > bounty hunter/agent > trooper/smuggler
I can see you put force users on a pedestal. Being able to use the force does not mean you automatically beat none force users. That’s how a force user gets killed, under estimating their opponents. The force touches all living things. Some can summon it and use it, others are just guided by it like a hand above their head. Such as the Agent, Trooper, Smuggler and Bounty Hunter. “May the force be with you” is a term used by all people in the galaxy and not just those who wield it. Remember that! Every ranking I made was based on lore, capability, kills and skill. For example, the inquisitor takes the most damage, kills the most people, performs the most epic displays of power, consumes ghosts, deflects lightning with bare hands like it’s play dough. Can force a powerful dark lord into submission using the force (forces Thanaton to kneel) devours a Voss spirit within the Voss temple it’s self which is their place of power haha! The inquisitor is crazy powerful and absolutely deserves the number one spot. Calling them the “cringquisitor” is just lame 😒
@@swcentral These aren't just avg force users, lore wise each of the player force users are exceptionally powerful, in almost all star wars media a powerful force user will beat just about any non force user, sure it's in everyone but that "in everyone" force is just as much in the explicit force users so it cancels out. If the agent, bounty hunter, smuggler and trooper are all in a room with any of the force wielders what are they gonna do? They're gonna get cut in half by a lightsaber, assuming they're still alive after whatever attack they tried was turned against them. Warrior could just force snap all four of their necks, each of them could do something like this. In the gameplay when we play as say the agent we get stabbed by sabers and shot all the time and it does # damage, but in the actual story of the game this isn't really happening, if you get slashed in two by a lightsaber it doesn't lower your health bar, you're cut in half and dead, unless you're darth maul or in disney wars. The agent "beat" jadus but it wouldn't have just been a straight up fight, if I remember he's captured by hitting a panel shield trap so the actual narrative is probably that the agent distracts him enough, maybe firing off a few shots or smoke grenades to quickly activate that trap. The imperial agent cannot actually defeat Darth Jadus in a fight. If you play Injustice batman or harley quinn can beat up superman in the gameplay, in the actual story this doesn't make sense. Idk how you'd assume the inquisitor takes the most damage or kills the most since this isn't explicit anywhere, sure the ghosts are a power hack but warrior/knight wouldn't just be beaten by that and have faced worse, the emperor (even partial) and sel-makor are way worse than anything inqusitor faces. Beating Baras (and his sister) is more impressive than defeating Dorkaton, who is never demonstrated to be more powerful than Baras and spends the whole game crying to the referee that you're cheating, whining about the rules and running away, even as he dies. Baras faces death like a boss and is actually shown doing impressive things, almost taking over the empire. Warrior is literally the emperor's wrath, that alone suggests he's the most physically imposing sith, inquisitor is cool but he just wouldn't stand a chance against knight/warrior.
@@chunguschungus The sith inq literally had his body rebuild to hold more power. Sure the knight and warrior did some impressive things, but the whole inq story is about high risk high reward power gains. Not to forget that he comes from a strong bloodline like kallig to begin with, while all others come from unnamed bloodlines
I disagree with the all of the force sensitives ranking here’s why Consular: it isn’t stated if the character recovers his/her power so to assume they didn’t is beside the point. Also the smugglers feat is impressive but we’ve seen other Jedi defeat gendai before so I would argue that feat shouldn’t the smuggler above Jedi very impressive for non force sensitive tho. Jedi knight: Defeats the emperor a being who scales to sidious. Also defeats darth angral / dark side enhanced Kira and destroys darth Angrals sith group. Sith warrior: Not really mad about the warriors placement I would say he’s behind the sith inquisitor and the Jedi knight but has more feats than the Jedi counselor (he defeated darth baras master with help , defeated darth baras, baras sister with help, and a bunch of Jedi knight and masters who I don’t care to name lmao Sith inquisitor: I have no issue with sith inq being 1/2 umm I would say that the sith inq would definitely beat the counselor and sith warrior the Jedi knight is very debatable I would say that my personal ranking in all of these would be 1:jk 2:si 3:sw 4:jc 5:bh 6:ia 7:Han solo 8:captain rec Ps love the video love swtor always love debating this topic when it comes up such a fun era of sw
My list before making the video was very similar to yours except the agent was much higher up hehe. I only see one flaw in your reasoning everything else is sound :) The consular doesn’t get power back if they choose to be LS all the way (sorta), which this video is doing, if you play DS that’s different. A fully LS consular sacrifices their own life force and power to save others!
It’s a strong northern accent :) people don’t notice right away, but my accent is the natural version of what you heard in Game of thrones from those in the North!
Agree and disagree,about the jk,even if u take base jk,he defeated the emperor,just think about it,even when the emeperor was weakened,no sith made a move on him,and lord scourge clearly stated none can defeat him,not even revan,thats why he choose to follow u,even weakened,scourge believed no sith or jedi will be able to kill the emperor,so he chooses u,and in my cannon mc,my jk is grey,he uses both light and dark sides,making him an embodiment of force,like he was always meant to be,just i disagree with u on the jk one
@@Kannayya104 If you're going to do that, try to make it different than what's been done already. For example. Someone already RP'd as Revan for the full playthrough, so don't do that. I'd go for obscure options playthrough. Such a Sith Pureblood JK who follows the light. Could be a JK who only fights for credits and you can upload the cutscenes. Best tip within all this: Just be different to what's already done *or* do it better.
@@swcentral my jk is embodiment of the force,actually he was one of the je'ddai,thousands of years ago both of his parents were grandmasters of 2 domes of the je'ddai order,and when krishna was still a month old,the rakata suddenly attacked tython,as they all saw people falling to the light and dark sides,his parents decided to send him off tython keeping him in a force stasis but before sending him off the force temple they are on got attacked and they had to leave him inside. Then my barsenthor finds visions in the force,and a day arrived on tython like a twilight,when both ashla and bogan began to surge with power,following her visions in the force she found the entrance to the ruined temple,wayyy outside the explored ruins of tython just after the attack on coruscant. When she arrived there she went into a trance for 3 days,and both the parents of krishna(my mc name) told her why she found him,and told her that an abomination in the force has awakened and since then the force searched for an individual worthy for krishna to grow up with,for thousands of years no one was until she came,and my barsenthor is neutral in the force and spended most of the time on meditations, negotiating and even talking with pragmatic siths,so the force choose her,she had to solve few puzzles and then when she entered the temple,she saw a baby,glowing with force,she never heard or saw of an individual with such potential. Then she has visions of how the current jedi mastered brainwashed children into joining their order and how apathetic they have become,and that few members of the council have discovered her location. Not knowing what to do she meditates and the force stasis is removed,and she catches the baby and raises him as her own,fighting the council on this matter. Satele supported her but few dogmatic memebers of the council didn't,so she decided it's best to settle in the kalikori twi lek village. She would tell him the stories of the force,the wars she has fought and how one should always be balanced within. One day barsenthor was tricked into bringing krishna into a mission that was actually set up by a child of the emperor but told her that this was a small test for krishna to know his potential. Not knowing this she brings him to nar shadaa where the emperor's dark guards and brainwashed dark jedi attack her in a secluded area. They were in legion but barsenthor held herself to protect her child. But it became too much as the forces never ended. Not knowing what to do she blasts the whole area with a forbidden force ritual,grabbing krishna and running to the spaceport,where she meets scourge. Scourge tells her that children and spies of the emperor have infiltrated the republic and that the emperor felt Krishna's power from across the galaxy when he first was discovered by her,and scourge gives her a choice to give up krishna and walk away. But she refuses to give her child,of course a mother never will leave her child. Scourge attacks but she blasts the entire spaceport. The jedi on the planet,feeling this disturbance come to intervene,they see barsenthor knocked out and scourge fall into the abyss of nar shada. Emperor's forces come closer and krishna finally uses the force for the first time,crushing bones and scorching away flesh from the enemies while knocking out all the jedi. Krishna falls unconscious and a jedi enters,he takes krishna and mind washes other jedi to think the emperor's forces took him,they say this to barsenthor once she wakes up. Not wasting a single second she sets into space.... Krishna's memories about his mother was mind wiped and he was sent to taris to train under the ways of the jedi.... The story goes on how the force still guides krishna into finding balance between light and dark and be the embodiment of the force,defeating the emperor in the final act of the jk chapter and how he still has visions and vague memory of his time as a child.... The complete details about krishna are kept in archives only satele could access. Even though she knew she thought it wasn't the time to tell him as krishna had a strange journey of being guided by the force. And everyone around him since childhood could feel he was meant for something greater,something none around him could achieve
is here someone who played dark sidr cons and could explain what would make him/her that much more powerful that a light side one? im really curious now and have yet to play a ds cons
a fully LS Consular who makes all LS choices, will lose most of their life force and power through using the healing ritual. However, a DS Consular does not make those choices and loses no power, only gains it as they carve a path of destruction through the Emperors children. A DS Consular might be a more brutal playthrough than any of the Sith campaigns. No one expects a Jedi to be so... cruel.
@@swcentral LS Consular does get his strength back. Rewatch the Coruscant Jedi Temple mission for the Consular. The Noetikon Yoda states that once the Plaguemaster's bond with his victims is broken then the strength that was spent will return. Redeeming Vivicar results in him releasing the bond willingly and thus the JC does get his/her strength back.
@@barone8889 The story does not reflect this in any way it’s never brought up again was my point in the video which is really weird to me haha. Seeing it happen would be good. Vandar was speaking theoretically and did not have a definitive answer and could not confirm that notion. The previous Barsenthor died doing the same thing. Anyways, Vivicars defeat happens quite quickly and by the time you’ve defeated him, the amount of people you’ve healed is less than half the total number for the entire story. The ritual is used many times after Vivicar being the point here :) Hope this helps!
@@swcentral Hang on a minute.Vandar was NOT speaking theoretically. Go rewatch the mission i metnioned. How many times after chapter 1 is the healing rtual used again? I know there is a use of it on Balmorra BUT considering it has no effect on the President it's reasonable to assume that the Consular removes the shielding immediately and thus regains his strength. Can you please mention where the Ritual is used post chapter 1?
Also I thought of a new light saber that has three fighting styles. You have the basic one handed that can snap into two parts tow make it duel wielding but the emitter while still attached is facing the same one as the single blade so that your opponents don’t notice the second emitter. The you can take the two blade and turn one upside down so that it shapes into the other creating a double bladed saber.
I would tie up sith inquisitor and jedi knight(especially playing as a grey one) cause 1. Ya sith inquisitor is strong and has ghost powers,but considering the fact that si takes all the advantages,if he was that powerful he would have went on to take down vitiate. But he didnt 2. It was clearly stated that only jk,in the whole galaxy, could stand a chance against weakened vitiate. Dont even start with that mf being at the height of his power,none of the council,nor wrath,nor si went behind him to take his place, he's just built different,but jk stood. 3. If youre playing grey, you're basically using the force as a whole,giving u complete access to it without any limitations Then goes sith warrior and barsen'thor People think few non force classes can top but they cant,the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the force😅😂 But ya,agree with the rest of your listings of non force characters
Buddy sleeping on the Barsenthor. Besides, light side gets all their power back. Even if they didn't, the First Son is equal in power to the Voice. He's a backup Voice. All the Children were potential Voices. That's why the Emperor could take them over. That puts them way up on the power charts. Barsenthor, even weakened, could also casually break a blast door. They just punched a hole through it. That's something we don't see repeated until Vaylin. Wait... he's sleeping on the Wrath too. The Wrath fought the True Voice who was possessed by Sel Makor. That is probably the strongest enemy, lore wise, in the vanilla game. Wait... what.. he just... I'm out. This is a troll list. The Darth Jadus thing is so overrated. 3 out of 4 of the Force classes defeated some version of the Emperor. Then Kallig was powerful enough to disrupt another of the Emperor's rituals. It was the combined actions of all 4 Force classes that weakened the Emperor to the point that he was able to be beaten by the Knight (though this was changed to be another voice).
It makes sense that the inquisitor is first place, but the bounty hunter and agent ABOVE THE JEDI KNIGHT????? The Jedi knight literally kills DOZENS of sith PLUS the emperor. This list objectively makes no sense. Furthermore, the trooper being above the smuggler is criminal with the trooper literally defeating two sith lords + rakton. If you are basing these characters off of overall power, the Jedi Knight will be above the bounty hunter and agent, but under the inquisitor. PLUS the trooper would be higher.
Also, if you use the argument that the emperor split his being and is not as powerful as the original version of himself, your argument is still wrong because YOU yourself said the emperor is more powerful the darth jadus. Thus defeating the emperor in 1v1 combat makes the jedi knight objectively more powerful than the bounty hunter and the agent. Also hypothetically, if you put all of the classes in the scenario of a 1v1 against the emperor, most likely the inquisitor and the jedi knight are the only ones coming out alive.
Lemme tackle your trooper discretion then we can dive into the Jedi knight. Trooper: Is parallel to Jace Malcom, probably slightly better. While they are capable, the way they are written and the way they behave, in all choices, results in the most unimpressive kill list and ability. I confidently believe the trooper would lose to every other class, how that takes shape doesn’t matter, for me they lose. The Jedi Knight. Okay good point, but you are forgetting the important lore behind the “victory” over the emperor. The Jedi knight did not “defeat” him. Only struck down his current host, which we still can’t confirm is or isn’t the voice. According to the warrior story and the servants, it was the voice that died. The emperors power is split yes, split from Valkorion. We can confirm this when we see his essence drain Ziost and regroup with Valkorion. Marr sensed this and was able to follow him across the galaxy where they eventually bumped into the eternal fleet etc. The Jedi knights victory was staged, the emperor knew the Sith were “a means to an end” and was waiting for his opportunity to abandon them. This puts the knight in a gray area for me. I see them as capable, but not overly powerful. This class is used as the games poster boy, SWTOR John if you will. It’s often that people confuse that with them being the “best”. Do not forget that other beings, are also touched by the force. The imperial agent and bounty hunter are clearly some of those people. They are not force sensitive, but the force still lives within all living things. And works in ways you can never comprehend. This is how they fit away with writing the gun users into killing the immortal emperor and defeating Arcann and such. Hope this helps!
Ok, I have to laugh at this list. I mean, you're making decisions based on how the stories were WRITTEN... yet absence of any type of common sense based on reality of each class. I mean, EVERY story was written to make you powerful enough to defeat all your adversaries... and therefore... EVERY class should be considered EQUAL because you are all destined to become the 'hero' of your story, without fail. So the reality is, you cannot judge any class based on the events of the stories because they were all designed to be capable of defeating ANYONE they came across. So in other words, IF the Sith Warrior (player) faced off against 'story' Inquisitor- the Warrior would win... because this is a GAME and the player always wins no matter the class.
You’ve moved the goal posts by assuming game logic and using the perception of player vs computer. That is wildly different from the basis of this video. As mentioned, I looked at the *lore* only. Why would I use game logic for that? That makes no sense, never mind “common sense” haha. Does the player defeat the computer on every occasion? Yes that’s a given Jesus Christ 🤦 welcome to games?
Flawed logic. Number of "impressive kills" in no way equates power. Comparing killing a hundred generals, ten Sith, or one Emperor is senseless, for example.
Power, is power. And not just the one version you think it is. Also, impressive kills are not the only measurement used. Skill, lethality, kills. If my Inquisitor kills another Sith, it’s because he was more powerful. Also probably smarter, more agile, better looking 😏
@@swcentral "Power is power" - precisely. And by no other metric than the number of trash mobs can non-Force users be placed lower on a *power* scale than the Force users. I understand that you made a preference list which is perfectly fine, but it's still not the same as a power scale. :)
@@hedinsee6830 It seems you believe that force users are the only ones touched by the force? This is a severe misunderstanding. The none force user classes are very clearly, touched by the force. The force flows through *all living beings* we call this the *living force* which many believe acts as a force of nature. Valkorion was the most powerful force user, yet none force users defeated him. Jadus, second to the emperor, killed by a none force user. Darth Karrid, killed by a none force user. Being a force user, does not make you automatically more *powerful* than someone else. Power does not only mean the ability to use the force. It is also measured by your other abilities. It can even be measured in military rank. Dude, this is not a preference list. It’s a lore analysis and opinion based list on the most powerful. If it was preference, the list would be VERY different.
@@swcentral Of course, everyone is *touched* by the Force. That won't help you if you can't *use* it. When a Sith telekinetically rearranges your insides, being part of the Force will only help you in the afterlife. The Emperor storyline is a very special case. You are not fighting a Force-user in the flesh, you are fighting a Force-user's consciousness *in your own mind* . That was precisely the mistake the Emperor made. He put himself in a vulnerable position trying to take the protagonist over and not realizing the risk due to his monumental ego. So that is really not a measure of anything apart from mental strengths. As for the others, let's be honest, non-Force users mowing down Sith and Jedi has always been rather contrived in game. Obviously necessary for the medium, but it's not very realistic. Yes, I can think of various scenarios where it's viable. A battle distracting a Force user enough to land critical blows, them being inattentive or arrogant enough to miss things, them being tired enough to make mistakes, etc. All true, all possible. But the situations where some agent is taking a Dark Council member in a duel where a Force user is completely focused on the threat has never been very realistic.
@@hedinsee6830 So when you start denying the in game lore, or say they’re not realistic, that’s you taking a preference :) I can’t add more to this conversation we have come to an impasse I’m afraid. We disagree, that’s okay! 👌
Trust me it was hard to score these in an official capacity. When comparing the classes I had to take things in to account such as opponents defeated and how easily. Defeating the Emperor for the Jedi Knight was not easy, it took a lot of prep for them to get there and be at the exact right moment. The emperors story unfolds further which diminishes the Jedi Knights initial defeat of the emperor. The Jedi Knight took a loss, fair enough that was also the emperor but it’s still a loss. They had also had impeccable crew members, such as Lord Scourge who was a vital part of the final act. With many, many variables considered this is the list that came out as likely. But I’m totally going to understand people placing the JK higher than I did.
I dont know if this is a troll video or not but its pretty much all wrong anyways. SI as the strongest? The protagonist is literally a one trick pony and once you take away or shield away their spirits they are lackluster to say the least. Bounty hunter has a lot of plot armor but cannot kill even 4 simple targets (Cathar even beats him to it), Jedi Knight often goes into places totally unprepared. Jedi Consular is the strongest in the force, has best grasp in politics and economy, can defend well with lightsaber and never faces any true problem because he/she deals with the problems with total ease. Actually I think Jedi COnsular would solo 1v4 all tech classes on the way to stop the Inquisitor like no other and the only ones who could actually prove to be a challenge are Knight and Warrior if they can close the distance. (especially the part where the power doesnt return to the consular - before you finish off Lord Vivicar everyone tells you you look weak but never again during act 2 and act 3 - you just missed that you actually indeed recovered the strength, not to mention even if you were right, it means that if they indeed didnt recover anything, only very small part of their power was able to defeat the First son, kill Sith dark council members and more AND if that guy ever discovers the Voss or Belsavis healing, they would be so powerful that they probably could 1v8) I would say 1 strongest, 8 weakest 1. Jedi Consular 2. Sith Warrior 3. Jedi Knight 4. Sith Inquisitor 5. Smuggler 6. Bounty hunter 7. Trooper 8. Imperial agent
I stated that we assume each are aligned with their home faction. Jedi = LS and such. The LS Consular does not get the power back. It is that simple. It’s alright saying “this a troll video and it’s all wrong” but all you said in response is that consular is your favourite while stretching to diss the other classes haha. Listen to the lore and reasons presented. On paper, Inquisitor wins hands down no contest. You’re free to an opinion but please don’t assume no work into this or is just trolling you. Valid reasons and logic is laid out to you.
@@swcentral I gave you valid reasons, you just think they are "dissing on the other classes". The fact you use "haha" afterwards show immaturity. I gave all lore reasons. All you state is your opinion without actually disproving anything I say. This very comment is "I say about others what I know is true of myself. I think this is where we part ways. Enjoy the rest of your adventures but I sure wont be sharing it because with this video and especially with this comment you proved to me that you are not worth my time. Have a nice day.
I could see the argument made about the Consular. However, you vastly underestimate the Inquisitor's power. Saying the Inquisitor is "nothing without the ghosts" is clear misinformation. The Inquisitor comes from the Kalig line and is widely considered to be the successor to Tulak Hord. The only times the Inquisitor loses is when they can't control their own power, which they later fix and become more powerful and durable, both physically and spiritually. Not to mention the fact that the other classes have no way of dealing with the ghosts as they're not aware of force walking or how it works. The Jedi Knight is strong but has lost before, against the Emperor and was only able to beat the Emperor because of help he had through his old master and the fact that the Emperor was severely weakened at the time. And at the end of the day the Jedi Knight only slows the Emperor down, which is the most disappointing part of that story unfortunately. The Sith Warrior is definitely a beast in his own right but lacks the force knowledge to face the Inquisitor head-on. The Consular is the only one that maybe stands a chance if we assume the sealing technique does anything to the Inquisitor. But I'm not sure if they can somehow purify the Inquisitor and take the ghosts out. It's a bit of a stretch.
@@Dark_Voice Nope, you gave fan fare logic. Me saying “haha” proves immaturity? Careful. Saying something like that means you can never write “haha” again without becoming a hypocrite. You opened your comment up with my video being a troll. This alone opened you up to a whole can of criticism on my end, so far it’s been very tame. Next time approach a debate as a debate rather than loading your initial statement so you can play moral high ground after the fact. My reasons for the list are the in the video, clear as crystal. You’re free to refer back to them as to disprove any of your original notion. Thanks. You’re more than welcome not to come back, if you so wish. You do you 🍻
It's strange to see people debating this in the comments. I suppose some are upset that their favorite class isn't ranked number one, but it's pretty clear the inquisitor stands out as the most powerful in the class stories. They absorb the ghosts of half a dozen powerful force users and even need an ancient Rakata device to strengthen their body just to contain all that power.
Ah it’s okay :) was bound to happen with the comments. Hopefully most will listen to the reasons given ❤️
How is the Imperial Agent and Bounty hunter more powerful than the Sith Warrior?
@@darthsol658 Power does not necessarily mean the ability to use lightning and such. Also, lethality and skill are part of the formula.
Let me ask you a question, how is it the imperial agent can best a member of the dark council who is second to the emperor in power level? There is more to a character than whether or not they can use a lightsaber or summon the force.
@@swcentral I feel like a lot of people forget that all beings are touched by the force. If I remember right, back during the early days of development it was explained that exceptional "non-force users" are like the companions from kotor2, undiscovered force sensitives or those with a force sensitivity just below use.
So their reflexes, senses, precognition, and bodies are all naturally strengthened unconsciously through the force. It's the explanation for the heroic in universe NPC's that also go toe to toe with sith or jedi.
@@DamienTenebrous This is very true.
Everybody else is doing their job or trying to improve their side. Inquisitor is literally trying to become a God. 😂
Ehh Sith Warrior isnt really improving their side just mostly getting revenge
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Depends on how you play as Sith Warrior.
That aside in my opinion everybody the Sith Warrior put down, had it coming. Not saying you have to kill everybody, despite popular opinion, that's not how true Sith operate.
@@Fable_7 oh no question most the people you go after did have it coming but for most of your story you're either making Baras stronger or going after those that betrayed you. You got like a handful of times that things you did actually helped the Empire.
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Well Sith Warriors job is to deal with more obvious traitors imo.
The Agent is basically your spy master
And Inquisitor is your "Politician"/Investigator/Force forensics
I fully agree! The Sith Inquisitor was a true master of the Dark Side!
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we all know the sith inquisitor is the strongest. being from the lineage of kallig, someone who tulak hord considered a threat, means they have a mass of dormant potential to tap into.
the rare ability to consume ancient sith ghosts and other force users gives them access to unlimited power. they don't call them the master of the dead for no reason.
Pretty much!
Also dont forget in Shadows of Revan each class gets a class specific quest and the Sith Inquisitor quest is pretty much finding technology in another galaxy that would make them immortal.
Wrong... You are the most powerful in SWTOR
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Hahaha true!
No denying that!
Wanna prove that? Hop to the Arena right now.
My personal rankings
8: Smuggler: The Smuggler ranks lowest primarily because the Smuggler doesn't go up many powerful enemies of note that aren't faced by the other classes. Most of the enemies in the Smuggler storyline weren't strong enough Force Wielders to become well known among the Jedi and Sith, and most of their personal victories can be attributed to overconfident or outright incompetent opposition. Even the Force Sensitive Addict could be dismissed by the potential of delusions of grandeur exaggerating his abilities to believe he was invincible in the face of a weaker enemy.
7: Jedi Consular: The Jedi Consular is the lowest ranked out of the Force Sensitive Classes. Before The Jedi Consular being able to defeat the Sith Plague regardless of how many masters were cured of the plague by the Technique would indicate that they are stronger than the average Force Users. The Consular defeats 4 Jedi Masters prior to defeating Lord Vivicar, but their sickened minds and limited reputation make it debatable if their strengths are notable. The Councilor can also choose not to cure some of the Masters, typically by killing them and no longer needs to protect the shielded masters after the Plague is stopped by killing or shielding Parkanas. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that the Consular is comparable to the classes that go up against Jedi Masters and Sith Lords that earn their reputations on the battlefield. Defeating the Children of the Emperor is a more notable feat, as this occurred after the Plague had been dealt with, when the Consular was at full strength. However, the Children of the Emperor don't appear to be much stronger different in power compared to the Sith Lords faced by the other classes, primarily because most of the Children the Consular faced were used as Sleeper Agents rather than Warriors.
6: Imperial Agent: Because of the Imperial Agent's being sent after more strategic targets, most of the Imperial Agents victories are a result of superior planning. Their most powerful enemies were the Star Cabal. The Star Cabal relied on similarly on secrecy, and was defeated by surviving their assassins long enough to find out their secrets and expose them. The Agent does have the chance to go up against a few Jedi and Sith without preparation, which seems to suggest that they're highly capable in a fight. the most powerful of them is Darth Jadus, which required using Watcher 2's plan to prevent his escape and this was in part because the Agent obtaining the Eagle's Codes made the Agent necessary for controlling the Eradicators. But being able to survive a battle against a Dark Council Member said to be second to the Emperor in terms of power is still a more impressive feat than most of the non-force sensitive classes have.
5: Trooper: The Trooper has fought against enemies that posed more credible threats than the Smuggler. A couple if Sith Lords during the campaign against the General Rakton. The Trooper also fights a number of giant war machines on foot throughout the story, which is usually a feat usually performed by the Jedi Knight and Sith Warrior at that level of frequency.
4: The Bounty Hunter: A few of the Bounty Hunters biggest targets were more reputable Jedi Masters than the ones faced by the Jedi Consular, including 2 Masters that won victories against the Mandalorians. The Bounty Hunter also has the option to kill a reputable Dark Council member, more specifically one known solely for his contributions on the battlefield.
3: Sith Warrior: The Sith Warrior was recognized as being powerful even before reaching Korriban. Darth Vengen claimed that Baras was insignificant before taking the Warrior as an apprentice, and the failure to defeat the Warrior in front of the Dark Council is proof of this. Baras sent his apprentice to face Jedi he'd historically failed against in the past and the Warrior defeated them with ease. Many Jedi Knights and Masters fell to the Warrior before he was selected as the Emperor's Wrath. The Warrior also thwarted Quinn's plan based on studying the Warriors victories, indicating that those battles hadn't even revealed his limits. He defeated all of Baras's most powerful minions on Corelia before facing Baras on Korriban. This reputation rivals some of the most powerful members of the Dark Council.
2. Jedi Knight: The Jedi Knight was selected to join the mission to capture Vitiate because of his victory against Darth Angral of the Dark Council. After defeating the Sith Warrior's predecessor, he would later face the Emperor himself after breaking free from his control. The other Sith and fallen Jedi fought along the way hardly need to be considered. Defeating Angral was already comparable to the victories against Darth Jadus, Darth Baras and his former master, and Darth Tormen. Defeating the Emperor, more so if you consider the option allow Vitiate to gain more power if you save one of the Jedi Knight's companions, is an incredible feat that just surpasses anything most of the other classes ever achieved.
1. Sith Inquisitor: The Sith Inquisitor's ability to gain power by absorbing the spirits of ancient Sith Lords elevated them to a position worthy of the Dark Council. Unlike the hard fought victory against Darth Baras, the Sith Inquisitor reached their position by becoming powerful enough to that a Darth Thanaton failed to kill them multiple times. Unlike Darth Baras, several of these attempts were handled personally and it was the Sith Inquisitor's rapidly growing power that saved them. The Sith Inquisitor's position on the Dark Council allowed them to continue seeking new ways to continue expanding their powers, including making further use of the enhancements made of Rakattan Technology to extend their lifespan and grow in power.
Personal, I think that the Smuggler should have been lower, as the Force Sensitive addict was not TRAINED to use the force. Therefore had less chance against the smuggler.
As for my favorite class, the Sith Warrior, let’s just say that I imagine they would be better with Darth Jaesa Willsaam by their side
Furthermore the guy was in stasis for years. Major rust. Finally the Trooper on Voss and on Belsavis takes down 2 Sith Lords in total. Far greater opponents than any of the Smuggler's omes.
Yeah and yet the damn devs have yet to make our inquisitor Emperor or Empress. I mean when it comes to the strongest in game. Players are one thing. But our character also happens to be the most powerful in the game. time and time again we kill, defeat or make our enemies and rivals bend the knee. Yet time and time again the devs won’t make us emperor even though our character talks about wanting to rule constantly… even as emperor there is still a lot we can do. after all our character regardless if a sith warrior or inquisitor says from the get go they prefer to lead by example. with that line alone would make way for more content and story. Furthermore the game might be based on the old republic but we are able to change history and possibly even the fate of the Sith. Swtor could technically make it an alternate universe/reality so to speak. That and think about it the only true threats to our Darth Nox is the former dark council members. 3 are alive Volron, Malgus and the empress herself. Same with Shaar but she wasn’t a dark councilor at the time.
Plus the only true reason the empress had no challenge taking the throne was because Nox was literally frozen for 5 years. When Nox returned we became even more powerful more quickly and caught up to Arcann and Vaylina power within months, days even. Nox pretty much ran the Dark council too with the acception of Darth Marr’s help. Volron won’t raise a hand to us unless forced too, we beat malgus twice and now we are going to have to kill him (finally) or force him to bend the bend and serve us. after that however I have a feeling the devs might try something. like we can only take the throne after dealing with Malgus and Shae. at least that is the feeling I got. Idk about everyone else.
I mean the Empress feels so threatened by us she is trying to have rivix keep secrets and information… Rivix however is smart and if there is anyone in the galaxy he won’t challenge or keep secrets from it’s Nox. especially considering Nox is the most powerful Sith alive. The way I see it and this is just a theory. Rivix and the empress knows we are still far more powerful than them all. That is why they are keeping secrets. We were frozen for 5 years and yet became stronger than ever before. that and if the empress knows anything it’s that Darth Nox (us the player) is not just the most powerful but we far from stupid. Any wrong move against us. The empress will find herself thrown in the nearest star who we threatened to do to the Emperor lol (I still think that was a funny chat).
To finish off everything I mean what do you guys think?. Because I personally believe the empress isn’t strong or smart enough to challenge us directly yet. And she tries to avoid our questions and whenever we mock her. Like in our first meeting with her when we first returned?. She didn’t avoid what we said because she was more powerful. Seemed like she avoided it because she knew we were more powerful. Not to mention in private the empress seemed more scared and terrified of us than in public. Did anyone else notice that little change in her?.
AGreed 100%, If you count EVERYTHING the player did, Every single Side-Quest, Every Operation,... The Player character is just the Most powerfull entity in the Old Republic by then.
I'd go as far as calling them the Physical Representation of the Force itself.
The Player Defeated Ancient Evils, Terrors from Beyond the Galaxy, Galaxy Destroying threats,... The List keeps going on and on and on,... Their deeds surpassed Both Luke And Anakin Skywalkers combined.
It's crazy what the Player regardless of their class did by now.
IF and this is a Big-damn-IF, IF the Chosen One Prophecy existed during the Old Republic era, i'd be damn sure our character is one. But alas, it's hell-bent in being exclusive to the Skywalkers.
I have the feeling our character is unstoppable by now, In recent storylines they start showing that we aren't as invulnerable as we believe cuz the Mandalorians Kick our ass a few times.
But having such a massive list of achievements... When and how is it going to end? How is our character going to die? Will they Die? Will the Force turn against us now that we have fullfilled our duty and ended the Immortal Emperor because afterall, 'The Force seeks balance, always' as a great man once said, so... Now that we have barely any True Rivals, will The Force balance itself by turning against us now cuz the Player is all-powerfull now? who knows.... ☺
@@galacticfirefly like fr tho. At this point like our character might as well be the reincarnation of Sith King Adas. Like that’s how powerful our character is not mention how much we have achieved over the years in game.
@@galacticfirefly idk if my other comment went through. But I also said too that if you pay attention to the empress and how she acts it changes. Volron, her and Malgus are the only other ones that can actually challenge us. But have ya noticed how different the empress acts?. If you are out in public like when we visit the “new” empire she acts tuff, confident and like a leader. But after you get on the shuttle and crash and are alone with her. You can hear the fear and panic in her voice like she thinks we are going to blast her with a ton of force lightning. I’ve noticed this when i played and was being angry and mocking her. But I got no clue if anyone else noticed this. Like she can get angry all she wants. But what will happen to the empire if we defeat Malgus and force him to bend the knee and serve us?. Plus we got the former Emperor Arcann (if you save him), Lana, possibly, Darth Malora too. Then you got the republic like Theron, possibly Sah’ar and her brother if we get that chance, The other Mandos too (Because let’s face the facts they ain’t returning to Shae or hetta and Shae’s second in command will more then likely join us considering we have saved their people countless times). Moff Pyron will more then likely join us considering his history with working with Nox. Plus I highly doubt Pyron will join the empress due to the fact that he himself knows what we are capable of and how powerful we are. Nox joined the dark council at a young age and possibly even the youngest dark council member known to the empire as well and the most powerful.
And what does the empress have?. Some newbie Dark council members who we can literally destroy with ease?. We already did it once. So I am very very curious to see how this plays out.
rather become a dreadmaster over emperor
the consular could defeat the first son nerfed, and with lord vivicar defeated is obvious that the healing ritual was not needed anymore, so like you said, his power would return eventualy, that makes the consular, equal or superior to the inquisitor in terms of own power (without any power up or ritual to increase his power) IMO the counsular and the inquisitor are equal in power, (only if the inquisitor use the light side chose to release de ghost obviously.). both are the perfect exaple of "knowledge means power".
I second this
A fair analysis I think! It’s funny, the longer you think about this topic, the more the list changes!
Barsenthor is stronger it boggles my mind that people keep putting him so low on their list. His feats eclipse all others. People tend to forge that the Jedi knight loses in his story along with the other masters and gets mind controlled. As well as the inquisitor being outplayed by Thanatos and losing as well. Barsenthor is undefeated both politically and in battle. Also within in cutscenes he by far displays the most force power. Glad someone puts Barsenthor in a good light. People overrate them force ghosts to be honest like way too much. Inquisitor beats a rat that being darth Thanatos who was not near baaras power and leagues from marrs power. Barsenthor beats elite Jedi masters as well as one of the most elite Jedi masters at the end of the story
@@jacobbechtel9935 Why are you referring to the Consular and others as specifically being male? Who's to say the Consular isn't female? Don't just assume the other 7 class characters in SWTOR are all male either.
I love sith inquisitor not because it's powerful but for making you feel dark lord experience. I mean, doing war crimes, questionable choices and even having your own superweapon "Silencer"
It is stated by Master Vandar (the Yoda-race Jedi Master from the Noetikons) that once the Consular defeats the Plaguemaster, his/her power will be restored.
Yep, he says that. But we don't see it happen. It's like the devs forgot all about it. There wasn't even an acknowledgment after. Call me stubborn, but if you don't see it happen, it means it didn't happen hehe. Vandar was possibly speaking in speculation, there was ahrdly any evidence to back up what he was saying given the last person to try it, died.
Again, I know it's a stubborn stance to take, but this video was built on my opinion and interpretation of the lore :)
Funny how I went with Sith Marauder and the Sith Inquisitor story suited him perfectly, mainly for character reasons.
This is a TRUE observation. HOWEVER, I find it disturbing in the latest expansions that ALL SUPER class with FORCE Power are reduced to a weak mortal when faced with HETA's attacks in "Showdown on Ruhnuk”. The DEV are going to have to or should indivdualize the Player character based on descisions and POWER level. Inquisitor's that kept their Ghosts and did not free them, would be more Powerful in End-Game missions and stories.
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Agree. I've noticed this a lot since Onslaught!
Heta Kol is a downright embarrassment for her to be a threat. Sure, when they were implementing hit and run tactics and were still mostly hidden they were a problem but knowing who and what the Hidden Chain is...they're a speed bump.
With the inquisitor, one of my favorite scenes in the game is confronting The Veil on Nar Shaddaa. The whole back and forth and The Veil saying that if any of them die, the room will explode killing the inquisitor too. Inquisitor then proceeds to fry them one at a time until they get to the third and last guy. He give the inquisitor the CN-12 and begs for his life. In inquisitor says "You never should have challenged me" and proceeds to nuke The Veil.
Fantastic outcome :D
Theres also the thing of the inquisitor being the only class that gets a unique title at the end of the story depending on their force alignment. And if you are a light side inquisitor, you can choose to release the ghosts giving them freedom and peace.
I'm glad that Star Wars the old Republic gets some love because every video that talks about a lore of Star Wars never goes dead in depth into this amazing game while I have not played it for years on top of years I used to play more than thousands hours of this but I'm not able to get back into it because I've played it so much time I got burned out of it but I still love the lore about it , I think it it's one of the most fascinating times in the Star Wars history,
IA and BH make sense to me - they have to be exceptionally skilled to even be able to take down an average Sith or Jedi, and their missions often have them do it alone/with only their companion - who, lore wise, are almost all significantly weaker than the player.
Mandalorians were famed Jedi-killers, so that was the least shocking of the 2 and would prompt me to put the BH higher. That being said, the Agent being able to take down multiple Jedi "alone" as well as resist the power of (apparently) the 2nd most powerful Sith in the Empire was no small feat either.
Sith Inquisitor because his signature power is the same as the Emperor, i.e. consume death
The sith warrior defeated the emperor's voice, which while in a Voss body, was also possessed by a pure force entity. I personally rank that higher as defeating a weakened emperor's voice by the jedi knight
I have been saying this for YEARS! You also didn’t mention how the Inquisitor literally kills a DARK LORD OF THE SITH… literally fresh off Korriban 😆 that’s when I KNEW that the Sith Inquisitor was simply built different from ALL the other classes! I do like how you have the what if for a dark side Consular being higher and even rivaling the inquisitor and I definitely could see that. I honestly myself would’ve thought I dark side Jedi Knight would be more powerful… but that’s just me, lol I love the dark side Jedi Knight. Regardless I agree with the rankings! An amazing video! 👏🏽
Thank you!🙏
@@swcentral of course!
I always thought the Sith Inquisitor would be in first place due to crazy ass force powers 😂
I really appreciate this man. I think these chracters are highly underatted. When you look at the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt he had the skill and abilities to combat a darkside nexu beast without even using the force. Which was known to kill generations of Mandalorian warriors. He is capable killing highly trained Rist House of assassin's who were legendary for their espionage,infiltration and assassination methods. Also able to hold his own against Revan who was known to kill armies of Mandalorian warriors and Mandalore the ultimate. Who was stated by Canderous Ordo to be the best of the Mandalorians. This not only puts the Grand Champion of the Great Hunt on par with Mandalore the ultimate but even likely surpassing him. It is no doubt in my mind that the Great Hunt was certainly a test for the players character to be groomed to be the next Mandalore. Arts lok Mandalore the Vindicated called the future Grand Champion of the Great Hunt to be his replacement for the legendary blacklist. This would mean he is on the same skill level as Mandalore the Vindicated in order for him to be worthy of being Mandalore's replacement. That would put the player's character to be the 2nd strongest Mandalorian in all of the clans. These feats are only stratching the surface. He might just be the most skilled Mandalorian in all of the lore.
Uh excuse me but the Bounty Hunter isn't confirmed to be specifically a male, which is why you can have both female & male bounty hunter class characters. Pleas stop referring to class characters as one sex and start using more gender neutral terms please since you can be either gender for all 8 classes.
I would put the Bounty Hunter as #5, with #4 as the Sith Warrior, #3 as the Agent, #2 as the Knight, and #1 as the Inquisitor. So just swapping two classes around.
Anyway, great job.
Thanks! 🙏
Great video, i like your placements overall. I understand why the agent and hunter are placed where they are but I would personally put the agent above the hunter due to the agent's superior intellect. I always saw the imperial agent as the Batman of the Star Wars universe.
That’s a brilliant point. And I absolutely took that into consideration myself too, my conclusion was the IA is a far better strategist and executioner. However, the BH is also as effective if they have a bounty to collect. Albeit with less subtle tactics.
If they are both aware of each other, then I see both being able to prepare for their encounters and survive. I think one would need stealth to take the upper hand after all.
Hmmm… seems I just found my own new point as to why the IA should be slightly higher. Interesting comment friend.
10:58 I would say what makes the agent and hunter so powerful in SWTOR story is that because they are not center stage characters they have the most agency in their story with the influence of the will of the force next to nonexistent
Not to mention being “rebuilt” and probably empowered by the mother machine and expanding their lifespan on Rishi. The sith inquisitor is basically immortal
I mostly agree with your list, and you bring up good points. The Inquisitor is one of my personal favorites as well. I'd say Knight would be second because it continued the Revan arc a little before Shadow of Revan. Overall good video!
Thanks friend 🙏
Remember on Voss, when The Sith Warrior actually defeated the spiritual Dark entity thing, which TRAPPED THE EMPEROR INSIDE HIS VOICES BODY? Or maybe I misread sth.
The warrior struck down the emperors body so he could leave the tomb :) they did however fight Sel Makor through the Emperor. Which is note worthy!
Honestly for me it’s probably my favorite the sith warrior who’s really awesome and badass in my opinion
11:21 good use of the summary I gave you about the bounty hunter.
Glad you noticed that! ♥️
Clearly it's the Smuggler.
It really depends on the parameters for the estimation. For example, the Smuggler has the option to become the head of an entire pirate fleet, but in the actual story, he doesn't really do anything with it. We can now ignore this manpower or not. The Agent overcomes mindcontrol, but so does the Jedi-Knight and while the latter's is a spiritual one, the former's is just a matter of chemicals. Also, how do Jadus, Baras, and Thanaton rank in power? How do they rank in comparison to the Emperor the Jedi-Knight kills? What allows the Inquisitor to control the Dashade early on? Is it his ancestry or his power? Or was the Dashade truly weakened from the long time in stasis? Also, even with the healing rituals, the Consular is mentioned early on to be a generational talent. At the same time, the Inquisitor starts out as a slave, so was he born into slavery or was he captured despite of his innate power? And finally, when we consider power, are we looking at what they achieve during their story lines or what they could achieve? Could the Inquisitor defeat the Emperor like the Jedi-Knight did if he wanted to? In the end, it really depends on what we include and how we measure or weigh these elements.
Legend says that before the fiasco of 7.0, Sith Warrior used to be a nightmare to deal with due to Grit Teeth and DPS spec can guard.
Now? Sith Inquisitor ranks the best due to well.... its high internal damage abilities. These cannot be shielded or absorbed.
Yep. Sith warruor and jedi guardian (as tanks) with grit teeth were absolutely beasts. I loved doing pvp with them, and regularly held off like 2-3 people solo.
Barsenthor is the strongest and everyone underrates the hell out of him. Here’s some of the reasons. One is not only was he prodigy of the force given in the prologue able to master the force at I believe four. Ok so was the Jedi knight though. Well allow me, Barsenthor was given the title of Jedi master before the knight as the knight gets it in chapter 3. Not only this but Barsenthor gets the title Barsenthor which is the rarest title handed out by the counsel, I mean so rare in ways your already above Shan in title. Now Barsenthor then takes out various Jedi masters in chapter one. Rather he kills or saves them. Then someone may ask as this video says but doesn’t he give up his power when doing the ritual. Yes he does but doesn’t that make him more impressive as he still whoops everyone else’s ass with less power even beating the child of the emperor. Who assume is next to the emperor in power at this time. The knight does beat the emperor’s old decrepit form who was already weakened by the warrior might I add. Baresenthor beats not only all the children except Kira but the main child of the emperor who is a very very strong Jedi master up with Shan I believe in this time period. Barsenthor is also the wisest maybe not the most intelligent but close to it. I would give most intelligent to cipher most likely. Barsenthor is smart enough and strong enough to learn the ritual to save them from an ancient force disease. One that is not only hard to learn but requires great power. The inquisitor is easily fooled and over cocky as well. I mean how strong do you think these force ghosts made him. I feel like it’s very overrated. Anyway Barsenthor is the number one in terms of strength overall, I had to stand up for the guy here but great lists.
you should do video about the strongest class companions it be more interesting see witch class companion would come on top
Say no more, I’m on it
Obviously Blizz is the most powerful.
I couldn't agree more Sith Inquisitor is the most powerful.
Ah, my Willow Blackthorn made the number 1 spot on this list. I am pleased 😄
At the end I believe the jedi Knight and sith warrior are evenly matched and the pinnacle of power that either side could offer, with the inquisitor being slightly above them simply for his force ghost steroids and rakata tuning. I see the inquisitor bound to become a new Emperor level threat.
The I can agree with and it's true that the bounty hunter and agent are hella OP but I genuinely don't believe they can beat the big 3. Unless one magically finds ysalamiri
I have played all the classes over the years. I had my Legacy title for a long time, though I have not played since BW was still in charge. For my choice in story, Agent was my absolute favorite but my least favorite class to play, then Sith Warrior and Bounty Hunter are kind of tied. But that is just my personal opinion.
Juggernaut was always my favorite class to play overall. I could DPS or Tank and I kept a set for each on my at all time to fill whatever roll was needed. Then the Dual Class came out so I built up a Sorc to heal. So my main toon can do whatever roll is needed for Raids. My 2nd favorite was Powertech for the same reason, I could Tank or DPS as needed, then tossed in Merc heals.
Ooh awesome let’s go baby 😊
I think you've missed that the JC is a complete Force prodigy, unlike the Knight who is just decently talented. It's meant to be that the JC is INCREDIBLY skilled and powerful even from a young age (as early as 4 years) with the Force, extremely unique in the Order. They are essentially the Yoda or EU Luke to the JK's Anakin, so I would certainly rate them higher than the Knight, about equal to the Inquisitor. The Inquisitor is strong, but highly reliant on external powers like their powerbase and arcane rituals, which makes them extremely vulnerable to abandonment by the DS or betrayal. The JC is essentially pure Force power, but sadly, we don't really get to see that in their story as they have to play second fiddle to the JK.
I'd say though the SW is the most powerful class overall. The JK feels close to KOTOR 1 Revan, but the Warrior feels like TFU1 Starkiller. The Knight may very well be the most 'raw skilled' with a saber, but the Warrior embodies being the Wrath, bringing a clarity and will that the JK can't match because they are 'only just a Jedi'. They go through the entire story without ever losing themselves like the JK, or needing to tap into another power source like the SI. They are the ultimate Sith, ESPECIALLY if played LS where they overcome the weaknesses of ordinary Sith.
i completly agree with this list
Thank you 🙏
It feels right this way. Darth Nox should be at the top in terms of total power. He is a true Sith Lord, who holds significant political power, has a power base that consists of a fleet equipped with Silencer superweapons, a cult and countless followers, many favours with the Imperial military, researchers at his disposal like Major Ilun and the sniveling worm he saved from Lord Gratham's estate. Don't forget Darth Achelon and his fleet, Lord Skar and who else if he didn't kill them before. And all their resources. He singlehandedly killed Darth Thanaton in fair combat, has the raw power of five Sith Lords at his disposal. After becoming immune to the side-effects of Forcewalking by being rebuilt on a cellular level by the Mother Machine he could have absorbed Tenebrae, but he chose not to. Maybe he didn't trust that one as powerful as Tenebrae would stay silent? Nevertheless there were other ways to immortality, remember the research into the alien technology on Rishi. Or the artifacts in Valkorion's vault on Nathema. If Darth Nox's story continues, he will find a way! This is why the character in this class should be at the top of your Legacy.
Glad you agree!
I actually really like this ranking. I’m not confident I do agree, I think consular and knight probably play stronger even with consular weakened.
Also doesn’t bounty hunter get completely ragdolled by darth marr in a cutscene if you get mouthy with him? Other than that, I hadn’t realized that he never lost. I do appreciate that you put agent high, they’re disturbingly good at combat. But they’re also officially enhanced physically and mentally I think (and possibly in the force depending on how the darth jadus imbuement stuff goes)
Oh it's definitely the Sith Inquisitor, the ability to bind Ghosts grants them well...... UNLIMITED PPPPOOOWWWWEERRRR!!! Imagine them binding every Ghost of Strong Force Sensitives (such as Voss) or Jedi and enemy Sith or simply strong Ghosts wondering around (Like Tulak Hord on Yavin 4), the Light Side Revan (Or after they recombined) and even Tenebrae. The Mother Machine also modified our body (possible giving us Immortality) and that Rishi Machine extends our life, the Sith Inquisitor has so much potential and sadly they've been wasted.
We better get a Sith Inquisitor option to break Malgus and bring him under our control or atleast his Ghost if we kill him.
The smuggler also fights a whole squad of Abyssians, which, just like the gendai, can also regenerate. Also, I'd say the Bounty Hunter is right where he should be. On top of that, the consular is much more fun as a dark side consular.
I really need to do a DS consular analysis!
Glad to see my main since launch at number one. Darth Nox. The slave who became a god. One thing I will give the Knight credit for... assuming he is our canon outlander, which I think he is... this would mean he killed the Emperor... over... and over... and over again. I think he slots in slightly above Darth Nox.
Darth Nox Rules once again🥳🥳
Bounty hunter hasn't defeated anyone who would compare well against the Emperor, and Imperial agent having an opportunity to defeat Jaedus looks a lot more like a failsafe in case the player fails to talk him down, than the actual outcome of their confrontation. The same way we assume the Inquisitor keeps the ghosts, we should assume that Jaedus didn't fight Cipher 9.
With that said - in no way should those two be at second place, more like the fourth, after the knight and the warrior.
Trooper may be the weakest, but they have still committed the most war crimes (until proven otherwise by a video of yours)
Appreciate you my friend ♥️
So,as long as there are GHERSTS around to eat, Inquisitors are fine lol.
I put extra effort into pronouncing that “Gho” part as well! 😂
@SWCentral Just giving you shit brother 😂😂
@@texasdad2372 Get it all the time xD
@@swcentral Well don't let idiots get ya down over it. Hell I grew up running cattle (just look at my name lol) so you can imagine the fkn Texas hic accent I have lol. Joking is 1 thing,being a douche is another. Shit like that we have no control over so fk em. Have a good 1 brother!
@@texasdad2372 Don't even sweat it! Where I'm from you can't walk into a room of familiar faces without someone saying "You alright dickhead?" or something like that haha. Banter is a huge part of my own personality and culture. Don't mind at all, especially when it's funny! Take care and stay safe friend
Smuggler, you just a random bucko whos ship was stolen which triggered domino effect
And now you fight dudes with gypsy magic, dread masters, the emperor and his kids with your funny jokes, lether jacket and "torchy" and infinite amount of luck (strongest powuh)
Second close would be Nox because gosh plot armour is strong with this one, should have been dead a long time ago, but plot armour just keeps this Mf alive no matter how hard Nox trying to die.
Impressive but not the first place because its less impressive due to Noxs knowlege of gypsy magic
I think it's strange people still try to figure out or decide who the strongest class is. The creators and writers for SWTOR have already stated who the moat powerful character was (not even class character but most powerful of all the characters in the game) Hall Hood (the writer for the Jedi Knight and Smuggler stroylines), Charles Boyd (the writer for the Trooper stroyline), Drew Karpyshyn (had input for the jedi knight storyline and overall setting of the game) Daniel Erickson (lead writer and oversaw all the storylines) all admited that the Hero of Tython (lightside options) is the most powerful character 2nd to only Vitiate during the main 3 chapters. According to Hall and Drew when the Hero of Tython fought Vitiate on Dromund Kass, they admitted that it was Vitiate's body and not a his voice. They also stated the time it took the Hero to fight through droumund kaas and the extra time spent going back to save Kira was enough time to get Vitiate back to nearly full strength. They noted that Droumund Kaas is already a powerful dark side Nexus and the dark temple is an even more powerful nexus and it gave Vitiate a huge boost and gave the Hero a huge disadvantage. They stated the Hero of Tython did infact defeat Vitate at nearly his full power even more powerful than when Revan, Meetra and Scourge went to face him hundreds of years prior. Hall and Drew went on to say the Emperor retreated his essence to Yavin 4 to regain his strength. They stated the Emperor actually had fear that he was about to be killed and vanquished by the Hero.
I believe but don't quote me that Daniel stated that if the Hero of Tython gave everything he had in every fight no character besides Vitiate could stand a chance and that the Hero only uses as much power and skill as he needs to. The Hero has huge potential and reserves of force power and has still never shown his full power in the force or skill in lighsaber combat in game.
I absolutely love this! Do you have a source I don’t think I saw you mention where this was said?
Anyways, it all falls apart with expansions and especially the newer stuff around the emperor. They retconned some stuff or, got it wrong I guess… RoTHC states that it was the voice who died on DK and not the actual emperor. Being the body of vitiate doesn’t make much sense when that body was abandoned during or after the Revan novel. Maybe even before it it’s hard to tell!
Then of course, the emperor was not defeated after all and instead staged his death so he could abandon the empire. As per shadow of Revan.
Then Kotfe and KOTET which state that Vitiates essence regroups with Valkorion, finally bringing him back to the actual 100% power level. As before he was split among many.
There is more, but I love what you said still. If they actually did say those things, then it certainly wasn’t respected moving forward.
@@swcentralI'll try finding the source. It was a video from a game convention where some of the developers and writers had a interview or like one of those sit down and answer audience questions and during that Hall Hood and Drew Karpyshyn who both wrote the jedi knight storyline admitted that the Jedi Knight was the strongest character in the game aside from the Emperor himself at full power.
And yes expansions, new writers and obviously trying to mold the story can sometimes retcon or contradict past story line lore and new writers that don't have the same vision and plan. But as far as the original 3 chapters for the knight goes the envision the Hero of Tyrhon to be an overpowered jedi who held back all the time because he knew how powerful he was and his goal was to help and protect and not flaunt and sho off his power. I think Drew made a joke during the meet where he said something along the lines of "The Hero would embarrass the jedi council during the time of the Clone wars in both strength in the force and lightsaber combat" i found it funny cause I always see the Old Republic jedi as far superior to Clone Wars and even high Republic jedi but for 1 jedi to outmatched the entire high Council is funny.
And the thing with the voice of the Emperor is always a big topic. Yes the writers contradicted Drew Karpyshyns vision and story which is weird cause the lead writer for RoTHC was Hall Hood so I guess it got overlooked or Hall Hood and Drew retconned RotHC story after the fact but yes at least according to Hall Hood and Drew Karpyshyn, the jedi knight fought a sorta weakened sorted amped monstrosity of a Sith in Vitiate and that was his og body as vitiate and his essence escaped.
I would argue the Imperial Agent or Sith Inquisitor hold the place, because of two key reasons. Direct Power. And Intellect. In the Old Republic Era, brains overcome brawn more often than not.
Look at the Hope Cinematic. Jace Malcom faces Darth Malgus and does serious damage, because he thinks outside the box. He activates a Grenade at point blank range. Malgus can’t knock it away, so he basically eats it. And the Imperial Agent is a stealth operative, or unparalleled sniper. They’re also canonically very intelligent, or at least that’s what I was led to believe.
So the Imperial Agent would be the most powerful because they meticulously plan and predict their enemy’s tactics and skills. Same way that HK-47 became the Galaxy’s deadliest Assassin Droid. Wide variety of tools, proper tactics, so on, so forth. They are also ID’d as Commander, in Shadow Of Revan. So they have bodies they can throw at a problem to figure out solutions.
The Sith Inquisitor would be the most powerful because they ate all those Force Ghosts, and have an army and starships, forces they can call on.
In the end, what I’d judge the strongest on, is not just individual might, but also allies, subordinates, and intellect. If they plan around me and kill me before I see them, that’s a point for them, not against them.
And if you make it a 1V1 for all of them, you would need to include the arena, and what type. I don’t see the Imperial Agent fighting fair. They’ll stick to the shadows, watching until someone’s weak, picking them off, and moving on. The Jedi Knight will be a beacon, and get targeted real quick. The Sith Inquisitor will play it smart, totally.
Also, on a side note… I love how the Smuggler is the one with a Mandalorian Anti Jedi Weapon! Not the Bounty Hunter.
Good points friend. Love seeing the differing opinions on this!
So if a Dark Side Consular rivals a Dark Side Inquisitor, would a Light Side Consular rival a Light Side Inquisitor in your opinion? I have my Consular and Inquisitor as father and daughter in my game, both light sided, and I write them as equally matched. Just curious what someone else thinks :)
I would say a LS Inquisitor is equal to, or slightly greater than the LS Consular. As by the end, the Inquisitor frees the ghosts and returns to their original power level. Albeit, at that power level they were able to defeat the Dashade which is quite incredible, especially when you consider that Dashade also went toe to toe with Tulak Hord one time.
I'd have to give it some more thought maybe... But off the bat I would place the LS Inquisitor between LS Consular and LS Knight.
@@swcentral I think we stilll need to differetiate. A Sith Inquisitor CAN Free the Ghost even at Dark Side when they all were bound by a Blood Ritual...but in this Case one Ghost (probably the strongest in Horak-Mul) will be with him)
Only a fully Light-Sided Inquisitor can not only free all Ghost but let them become one with the Force.
I personally free the Ghost outside of Horak Mul ...with the Explanation that because he was a Slave he hates taking Slaves...he wants them to follow him on their own will and will take a given Word serious (of course he manipulates them to follow him...he is a Sith after all^^).
@@swcentral LS Inquisitor and LS Consular are tied i believe since their physical feats are extrordinary. The Consular survived taking down Afflicted Jedi Masters while also getting severly weakened every time. The Inquisitor survived having his body and mind greatly tormented and endured long enough to heal him/herself. And while the Inquisitor prior to becoming Sith had a far rougher life we need to emphasize that the Consular while weakened was facing far greater threats than those the Inquisitor was facing during his weakened phase. So i'd say they are tied.
as a bounty hunter main, i think my guy could take a smuggler, consular, and trooper, but sith warrior and jedi knight?? i feel like theyd rip me to shreds...
Disagree, you’re quite likely to beat them or even carbonize them. Based on their skill level and experience fighting other Sith and or Jedi. The Hunter takes down Tormen & a Jedi battle master. They’re not to be taken lightly.
@@swcentral idk i feel like it would be a solid battle, Darth torman, kellian jarro, and jun serros are all powerful, but the emperor’s chosen and the one who originally slayed him? You make some great points in your video and i do think the BH has a large amount of strong enemies killed, I’m not entirely sure i want to put the BH above JK or SW. great video tho!
@@gl1tch_01 Aye, you made some valid points and to be fair my top 3 before making this video had the JK, SW & SI.
I’m pretty sure my smuggler kicking robots in their balls makes him the strongest 😂
Salty that Sith Warrior isn’t number 1 but you do bring up good points and now you make me wanna play a Sith Inquisitor.
Dew it!
Man JK and SW are just build different
The fact that we almost get killed as a sith warrior/inquisitior by heta kols underling who just awakened the force is stupid the wrath and nox should be a endgame boss lvl threat
I like this except you left out what happened to the Inquisitor. They consumed so much power they had to go on the hunt for a way not to burn out and go crazy. They ended up at the Mother Machine who altered the Inquisitors body to contain more power. This meas the Inquisitor can obtain and hold more power than any other class. THIS is what makes the Inquisitor so powerful. They were altered on a genetic level to be a bad-ass. Can't get better than that!
Indeed! The mother machine on Belsavis was Rakata technology. The software was AI that had learned to defend its creations from the “masters” who wanted to enslave them. This machine created the Zabrak species and more :)
I always thought that the jedi counsilor would get theyr power back only if the people he used the healing ability on died he would only then get hiss power back
It’s mentioned that is what *should* happen but we don’t see any mention of it or see it during the moment if Vivicars healing session. Nonetheless, the ritual was still used many times after that moment.
Story aside i play without companions. So all classes without high shield uptime and selfheal are out of the picture. Killing champions or groups of gold mobs without the help of a companion is the hardest way to play the game. In 7.6 only the balance consular and madness sorcerer are left. No tank can do it, healers maybe but it is slow and painfull. Scrapper Scoundrel used to be the best before but his healing isn't as good as it was and he can't remove robots from a fight. So the casters are the best self sustaining classes in 7.6 if you play without companions. All others just die because of the long cooldonws of their defensive or healing powers.
I agree, Im above them all. even if we all were forced to fight eachother, I would just easily killed Consular that would most likely went for my head sensing my power, consume his Force Ghost and then consume Force Ghosts of all others that were killed and finish the survivors
I feel vindicated! Bounty Hunter got days!!!
*grabs holster*
“I can bring you in warm, or cold”
well done central the inquistor truly is the most powerful even if you disagree with central opnion that's the beauty we can each have our own thoughts on the situation again great work central as always
Thanks friend!
I would say the LS Consular should be, at worst, tied with the DS Agent... Since they’re able to take on and win against the Emperor’s Children, especially the First Son, in less-than-ideal circumstances... Plus killing Marr’s Apprentice, Lacharis on Balmora...
I understand that, but a pure LS Consular loses power and life force the further they get into the story. That’s the thing that brings it down for my list :)
The most powerful is clearly the Scoundrel Smuggler who can punch Valkorion's face lol
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@@swcentral great video btw!
@@effie9837 Thanks! 🙏
Of course the sith inqusitor is the best.
There is a brilliantly written story of the true nobody who became the galaxys greatest power.
(Playing a female character, his true sadistic self and humor come through even more. His dubbing is perfect)
The Imperial Agent/Bounty Hunter is not defeating the Sith Warrior/Jedi Knight. Just because they have 'more' feats than the other two, that simply comes down to a matter of opportunity and do you think the Warrior/Knight would actually struggle to accomplish the same kills those two did? The Inquisitor I agree becomes the most powerful out of all the classes but its definitely followed up by the Knight and Warrior. Feats are simply a matter of opportunity, but the common sense eye test easily pushes the BH/Agent behind those two. I'll grant you on the Consular though, they did greatly diminish their power.
Good points! The different arguments for who is top 3 are really good. I didn’t expect this level of passion in the comments! Love to see it my friend
Except in game dialogue makes it clear that the defeat of the Plaguemaster restores their power. The video dismisses this with no merit-based reason, it is a subjective opinion of "nuh uh" to justify its low ranking. He even admits in the video that it says he will get it back, but since the game didn't outright show this, the assumption was it didn't happen, which is non sense as the same amount of evidence under that logic could say he does, we 'see' no evidence that it has not returned. Cherry on top we get dialogue that says it does as mentioned already so this was just a personal justification and shouldn't be taken seriously at all.
In cannon though, the Sith Inquisitor is LS which makes her more powerful. Spamming Force LIGHT-ning...
There is no canon version haha.
Maybe the real canon was the friends we shocked along the way?
@@MysticTroll I’ll drink to that 🍻
Keep it up.
Will do!
Chad/stacy sith inquisitor
Ergast, Darth Andru, Kalatosh Zavros, Horak'mul. Who's the fifth ghost? Are you counting Kallig? I finished the Inquisitor's story this week and there was no other ghost.
Mar-da, encountered on Voss :) Bonus ghost for the hungry Sith!
What armor set is the Bounty hunter wearing?
Of course I know him, he's me
Cringequisitor is annihilated by the knight or warrior, basing so much on who they killed doesn't make sense because more goes into a fight than raw power, a weaker person can get lucky or beat someone stronger with circumstances. Agent/bh above any force sensitive even consular is just lmao. Yea maybe agent can have some scheme and win but like batman vs. superman sure batman can win with some plan but you wouldn't say he's more powerful, if superman went to kill batman without giving him prep time he'd just snap his neck. The 4 non-force classes are automatically at the bottom, warrior solo would wipe out all 4 of them together in under a minute, a few more minutes if he was facing all their companions too.
Actual rankings are warrior/knight (also the ones that canonically would do the later stories, smuggler isn't beating Valkorion lol) >inquisitor/consular > bounty hunter/agent > trooper/smuggler
I can see you put force users on a pedestal. Being able to use the force does not mean you automatically beat none force users. That’s how a force user gets killed, under estimating their opponents.
The force touches all living things. Some can summon it and use it, others are just guided by it like a hand above their head. Such as the Agent, Trooper, Smuggler and Bounty Hunter. “May the force be with you” is a term used by all people in the galaxy and not just those who wield it. Remember that!
Every ranking I made was based on lore, capability, kills and skill. For example, the inquisitor takes the most damage, kills the most people, performs the most epic displays of power, consumes ghosts, deflects lightning with bare hands like it’s play dough. Can force a powerful dark lord into submission using the force (forces Thanaton to kneel) devours a Voss spirit within the Voss temple it’s self which is their place of power haha! The inquisitor is crazy powerful and absolutely deserves the number one spot. Calling them the “cringquisitor” is just lame 😒
@@swcentral These aren't just avg force users, lore wise each of the player force users are exceptionally powerful, in almost all star wars media a powerful force user will beat just about any non force user, sure it's in everyone but that "in everyone" force is just as much in the explicit force users so it cancels out. If the agent, bounty hunter, smuggler and trooper are all in a room with any of the force wielders what are they gonna do? They're gonna get cut in half by a lightsaber, assuming they're still alive after whatever attack they tried was turned against them. Warrior could just force snap all four of their necks, each of them could do something like this.
In the gameplay when we play as say the agent we get stabbed by sabers and shot all the time and it does # damage, but in the actual story of the game this isn't really happening, if you get slashed in two by a lightsaber it doesn't lower your health bar, you're cut in half and dead, unless you're darth maul or in disney wars. The agent "beat" jadus but it wouldn't have just been a straight up fight, if I remember he's captured by hitting a panel shield trap so the actual narrative is probably that the agent distracts him enough, maybe firing off a few shots or smoke grenades to quickly activate that trap. The imperial agent cannot actually defeat Darth Jadus in a fight. If you play Injustice batman or harley quinn can beat up superman in the gameplay, in the actual story this doesn't make sense.
Idk how you'd assume the inquisitor takes the most damage or kills the most since this isn't explicit anywhere, sure the ghosts are a power hack but warrior/knight wouldn't just be beaten by that and have faced worse, the emperor (even partial) and sel-makor are way worse than anything inqusitor faces. Beating Baras (and his sister) is more impressive than defeating Dorkaton, who is never demonstrated to be more powerful than Baras and spends the whole game crying to the referee that you're cheating, whining about the rules and running away, even as he dies. Baras faces death like a boss and is actually shown doing impressive things, almost taking over the empire. Warrior is literally the emperor's wrath, that alone suggests he's the most physically imposing sith, inquisitor is cool but he just wouldn't stand a chance against knight/warrior.
@@chunguschungus The sith inq literally had his body rebuild to hold more power. Sure the knight and warrior did some impressive things, but the whole inq story is about high risk high reward power gains. Not to forget that he comes from a strong bloodline like kallig to begin with, while all others come from unnamed bloodlines
Goss the Jedi knight obviously as he has plot armour and he’s my favorite 😁😉😂
Would ask if true then why did Darth Thanaton not try to attack the Sith Warrior, he was there when the Sith Warrior defeated Darth Baras
He was there via holo though because he was on Corellia doing the Kuggath. Not allowed to leave the Kuggath arena once started.
Я всегда считал Инквизитора лучшим и сильнейшим классом в SWTOR
Excellent!
Off topic ,and lore aside , I enjoy every single class, imp and pub, in the game which makes swtors decline in expansion quality even more saddening.
The Jedi Knight would defeat the Sith Warrior, my arse...
Yep 💪
heh my char was sith assasin only for the double bladed lightsaber heh but ofc the assasin does the axact same things as the inquisitor
I disagree with the all of the force sensitives ranking here’s why
Consular: it isn’t stated if the character recovers his/her power so to assume they didn’t is beside the point. Also the smugglers feat is impressive but we’ve seen other Jedi defeat gendai before so I would argue that feat shouldn’t the smuggler above Jedi very impressive for non force sensitive tho.
Jedi knight: Defeats the emperor a being who scales to sidious. Also defeats darth angral / dark side enhanced Kira and destroys darth Angrals sith group.
Sith warrior: Not really mad about the warriors placement I would say he’s behind the sith inquisitor and the Jedi knight but has more feats than the Jedi counselor (he defeated darth baras master with help , defeated darth baras, baras sister with help, and a bunch of Jedi knight and masters who I don’t care to name lmao
Sith inquisitor: I have no issue with sith inq being 1/2 umm I would say that the sith inq would definitely beat the counselor and sith warrior the Jedi knight is very debatable
I would say that my personal ranking in all of these would be
1:jk
2:si
3:sw
4:jc
5:bh
6:ia
7:Han solo
8:captain rec
Ps love the video love swtor always love debating this topic when it comes up such a fun era of sw
My list before making the video was very similar to yours except the agent was much higher up hehe. I only see one flaw in your reasoning everything else is sound :)
The consular doesn’t get power back if they choose to be LS all the way (sorta), which this video is doing, if you play DS that’s different. A fully LS consular sacrifices their own life force and power to save others!
I just checked today ur right counselor was easily my least fave play through lmaoooo great vid thx for the response!
I've never heard anyone say ghost like you.
It’s a strong northern accent :) people don’t notice right away, but my accent is the natural version of what you heard in Game of thrones from those in the North!
@@swcentral I've never watched GoT. Anyway very unique sounding.
@@sarys73 Fair enough! Thanks haha
My personal ranking before watching
1. Sith Inquisitor
2. Jedi Consular
3. Jedi Knight
4. Sith Warrior
5. Bounty Hunter
6. Trooper
7. Imperial Agent
8. Smuggler
Swear the warrior lit beats the emperor
Agree and disagree,about the jk,even if u take base jk,he defeated the emperor,just think about it,even when the emeperor was weakened,no sith made a move on him,and lord scourge clearly stated none can defeat him,not even revan,thats why he choose to follow u,even weakened,scourge believed no sith or jedi will be able to kill the emperor,so he chooses u,and in my cannon mc,my jk is grey,he uses both light and dark sides,making him an embodiment of force,like he was always meant to be,just i disagree with u on the jk one
That’s more than fair :)
@@swcentral hey man,I really wanna start posting my jk story on yt,any suggestions? Like is it a good idea ??
@@Kannayya104 If you're going to do that, try to make it different than what's been done already.
For example. Someone already RP'd as Revan for the full playthrough, so don't do that.
I'd go for obscure options playthrough. Such a Sith Pureblood JK who follows the light.
Could be a JK who only fights for credits and you can upload the cutscenes.
Best tip within all this: Just be different to what's already done *or* do it better.
@@swcentral my jk is embodiment of the force,actually he was one of the je'ddai,thousands of years ago both of his parents were grandmasters of 2 domes of the je'ddai order,and when krishna was still a month old,the rakata suddenly attacked tython,as they all saw people falling to the light and dark sides,his parents decided to send him off tython keeping him in a force stasis but before sending him off the force temple they are on got attacked and they had to leave him inside.
Then my barsenthor finds visions in the force,and a day arrived on tython like a twilight,when both ashla and bogan began to surge with power,following her visions in the force she found the entrance to the ruined temple,wayyy outside the explored ruins of tython just after the attack on coruscant. When she arrived there she went into a trance for 3 days,and both the parents of krishna(my mc name) told her why she found him,and told her that an abomination in the force has awakened and since then the force searched for an individual worthy for krishna to grow up with,for thousands of years no one was until she came,and my barsenthor is neutral in the force and spended most of the time on meditations, negotiating and even talking with pragmatic siths,so the force choose her,she had to solve few puzzles and then when she entered the temple,she saw a baby,glowing with force,she never heard or saw of an individual with such potential. Then she has visions of how the current jedi mastered brainwashed children into joining their order and how apathetic they have become,and that few members of the council have discovered her location. Not knowing what to do she meditates and the force stasis is removed,and she catches the baby and raises him as her own,fighting the council on this matter. Satele supported her but few dogmatic memebers of the council didn't,so she decided it's best to settle in the kalikori twi lek village. She would tell him the stories of the force,the wars she has fought and how one should always be balanced within.
One day barsenthor was tricked into bringing krishna into a mission that was actually set up by a child of the emperor but told her that this was a small test for krishna to know his potential. Not knowing this she brings him to nar shadaa where the emperor's dark guards and brainwashed dark jedi attack her in a secluded area. They were in legion but barsenthor held herself to protect her child. But it became too much as the forces never ended. Not knowing what to do she blasts the whole area with a forbidden force ritual,grabbing krishna and running to the spaceport,where she meets scourge. Scourge tells her that children and spies of the emperor have infiltrated the republic and that the emperor felt Krishna's power from across the galaxy when he first was discovered by her,and scourge gives her a choice to give up krishna and walk away. But she refuses to give her child,of course a mother never will leave her child. Scourge attacks but she blasts the entire spaceport. The jedi on the planet,feeling this disturbance come to intervene,they see barsenthor knocked out and scourge fall into the abyss of nar shada. Emperor's forces come closer and krishna finally uses the force for the first time,crushing bones and scorching away flesh from the enemies while knocking out all the jedi. Krishna falls unconscious and a jedi enters,he takes krishna and mind washes other jedi to think the emperor's forces took him,they say this to barsenthor once she wakes up. Not wasting a single second she sets into space....
Krishna's memories about his mother was mind wiped and he was sent to taris to train under the ways of the jedi....
The story goes on how the force still guides krishna into finding balance between light and dark and be the embodiment of the force,defeating the emperor in the final act of the jk chapter and how he still has visions and vague memory of his time as a child....
The complete details about krishna are kept in archives only satele could access. Even though she knew she thought it wasn't the time to tell him as krishna had a strange journey of being guided by the force. And everyone around him since childhood could feel he was meant for something greater,something none around him could achieve
@@Kannayya104 You win comment of the day, friend! You are the reason why I love reading comments so much, love this! Love this! Love this!
is here someone who played dark sidr cons and could explain what would make him/her that much more powerful that a light side one? im really curious now and have yet to play a ds cons
a fully LS Consular who makes all LS choices, will lose most of their life force and power through using the healing ritual. However, a DS Consular does not make those choices and loses no power, only gains it as they carve a path of destruction through the Emperors children. A DS Consular might be a more brutal playthrough than any of the Sith campaigns.
No one expects a Jedi to be so... cruel.
@@swcentral oh well, so easy of an explanation. i guess i know what to do after my ds knight.
thanks very much
@@swcentral LS Consular does get his strength back. Rewatch the Coruscant Jedi Temple mission for the Consular. The Noetikon Yoda states that once the Plaguemaster's bond with his victims is broken then the strength that was spent will return. Redeeming Vivicar results in him releasing the bond willingly and thus the JC does get his/her strength back.
@@barone8889 The story does not reflect this in any way it’s never brought up again was my point in the video which is really weird to me haha. Seeing it happen would be good.
Vandar was speaking theoretically and did not have a definitive answer and could not confirm that notion. The previous Barsenthor died doing the same thing.
Anyways, Vivicars defeat happens quite quickly and by the time you’ve defeated him, the amount of people you’ve healed is less than half the total number for the entire story. The ritual is used many times after Vivicar being the point here :)
Hope this helps!
@@swcentral Hang on a minute.Vandar was NOT speaking theoretically. Go rewatch the mission i metnioned. How many times after chapter 1 is the healing rtual used again? I know there is a use of it on Balmorra BUT considering it has no effect on the President it's reasonable to assume that the Consular removes the shielding immediately and thus regains his strength. Can you please mention where the Ritual is used post chapter 1?
good vid but you placed the imperial agent and bounty hunter far too high
Yeah I think a lot of people are going to feel that way! I appreciate you
Don’t care about power just want to be a jedi
Also I thought of a new light saber that has three fighting styles. You have the basic one handed that can snap into two parts tow make it duel wielding but the emitter while still attached is facing the same one as the single blade so that your opponents don’t notice the second emitter. The you can take the two blade and turn one upside down so that it shapes into the other creating a double bladed saber.
I would tie up sith inquisitor and jedi knight(especially playing as a grey one) cause
1. Ya sith inquisitor is strong and has ghost powers,but considering the fact that si takes all the advantages,if he was that powerful he would have went on to take down vitiate. But he didnt
2. It was clearly stated that only jk,in the whole galaxy, could stand a chance against weakened vitiate. Dont even start with that mf being at the height of his power,none of the council,nor wrath,nor si went behind him to take his place, he's just built different,but jk stood.
3. If youre playing grey, you're basically using the force as a whole,giving u complete access to it without any limitations
Then goes sith warrior and barsen'thor
People think few non force classes can top but they cant,the power to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the force😅😂
But ya,agree with the rest of your listings of non force characters
Wrath
Buddy sleeping on the Barsenthor. Besides, light side gets all their power back. Even if they didn't, the First Son is equal in power to the Voice. He's a backup Voice. All the Children were potential Voices. That's why the Emperor could take them over. That puts them way up on the power charts. Barsenthor, even weakened, could also casually break a blast door. They just punched a hole through it. That's something we don't see repeated until Vaylin.
Wait... he's sleeping on the Wrath too. The Wrath fought the True Voice who was possessed by Sel Makor. That is probably the strongest enemy, lore wise, in the vanilla game.
Wait... what.. he just... I'm out. This is a troll list. The Darth Jadus thing is so overrated. 3 out of 4 of the Force classes defeated some version of the Emperor. Then Kallig was powerful enough to disrupt another of the Emperor's rituals. It was the combined actions of all 4 Force classes that weakened the Emperor to the point that he was able to be beaten by the Knight (though this was changed to be another voice).
We are all entitled to an opinion :)
It makes sense that the inquisitor is first place, but the bounty hunter and agent ABOVE THE JEDI KNIGHT????? The Jedi knight literally kills DOZENS of sith PLUS the emperor. This list objectively makes no sense. Furthermore, the trooper being above the smuggler is criminal with the trooper literally defeating two sith lords + rakton. If you are basing these characters off of overall power, the Jedi Knight will be above the bounty hunter and agent, but under the inquisitor. PLUS the trooper would be higher.
Also, if you use the argument that the emperor split his being and is not as powerful as the original version of himself, your argument is still wrong because YOU yourself said the emperor is more powerful the darth jadus. Thus defeating the emperor in 1v1 combat makes the jedi knight objectively more powerful than the bounty hunter and the agent. Also hypothetically, if you put all of the classes in the scenario of a 1v1 against the emperor, most likely the inquisitor and the jedi knight are the only ones coming out alive.
Lemme tackle your trooper discretion then we can dive into the Jedi knight.
Trooper: Is parallel to Jace Malcom, probably slightly better. While they are capable, the way they are written and the way they behave, in all choices, results in the most unimpressive kill list and ability. I confidently believe the trooper would lose to every other class, how that takes shape doesn’t matter, for me they lose.
The Jedi Knight. Okay good point, but you are forgetting the important lore behind the “victory” over the emperor.
The Jedi knight did not “defeat” him. Only struck down his current host, which we still can’t confirm is or isn’t the voice. According to the warrior story and the servants, it was the voice that died. The emperors power is split yes, split from Valkorion. We can confirm this when we see his essence drain Ziost and regroup with Valkorion. Marr sensed this and was able to follow him across the galaxy where they eventually bumped into the eternal fleet etc.
The Jedi knights victory was staged, the emperor knew the Sith were “a means to an end” and was waiting for his opportunity to abandon them. This puts the knight in a gray area for me. I see them as capable, but not overly powerful. This class is used as the games poster boy, SWTOR John if you will. It’s often that people confuse that with them being the “best”.
Do not forget that other beings, are also touched by the force. The imperial agent and bounty hunter are clearly some of those people. They are not force sensitive, but the force still lives within all living things. And works in ways you can never comprehend. This is how they fit away with writing the gun users into killing the immortal emperor and defeating Arcann and such.
Hope this helps!
@@swcentral thanks for the explanation :)
Ok, I have to laugh at this list. I mean, you're making decisions based on how the stories were WRITTEN... yet absence of any type of common sense based on reality of each class. I mean, EVERY story was written to make you powerful enough to defeat all your adversaries... and therefore... EVERY class should be considered EQUAL because you are all destined to become the 'hero' of your story, without fail. So the reality is, you cannot judge any class based on the events of the stories because they were all designed to be capable of defeating ANYONE they came across. So in other words, IF the Sith Warrior (player) faced off against 'story' Inquisitor- the Warrior would win... because this is a GAME and the player always wins no matter the class.
You’ve moved the goal posts by assuming game logic and using the perception of player vs computer. That is wildly different from the basis of this video.
As mentioned, I looked at the *lore* only. Why would I use game logic for that? That makes no sense, never mind “common sense” haha.
Does the player defeat the computer on every occasion? Yes that’s a given Jesus Christ 🤦 welcome to games?
Flawed logic. Number of "impressive kills" in no way equates power. Comparing killing a hundred generals, ten Sith, or one Emperor is senseless, for example.
Power, is power. And not just the one version you think it is. Also, impressive kills are not the only measurement used. Skill, lethality, kills.
If my Inquisitor kills another Sith, it’s because he was more powerful. Also probably smarter, more agile, better looking 😏
@@swcentral "Power is power" - precisely.
And by no other metric than the number of trash mobs can non-Force users be placed lower on a *power* scale than the Force users.
I understand that you made a preference list which is perfectly fine, but it's still not the same as a power scale. :)
@@hedinsee6830 It seems you believe that force users are the only ones touched by the force? This is a severe misunderstanding.
The none force user classes are very clearly, touched by the force. The force flows through *all living beings* we call this the *living force* which many believe acts as a force of nature.
Valkorion was the most powerful force user, yet none force users defeated him. Jadus, second to the emperor, killed by a none force user. Darth Karrid, killed by a none force user.
Being a force user, does not make you automatically more *powerful* than someone else. Power does not only mean the ability to use the force. It is also measured by your other abilities. It can even be measured in military rank.
Dude, this is not a preference list. It’s a lore analysis and opinion based list on the most powerful. If it was preference, the list would be VERY different.
@@swcentral Of course, everyone is *touched* by the Force. That won't help you if you can't *use* it. When a Sith telekinetically rearranges your insides, being part of the Force will only help you in the afterlife.
The Emperor storyline is a very special case. You are not fighting a Force-user in the flesh, you are fighting a Force-user's consciousness *in your own mind* . That was precisely the mistake the Emperor made. He put himself in a vulnerable position trying to take the protagonist over and not realizing the risk due to his monumental ego. So that is really not a measure of anything apart from mental strengths.
As for the others, let's be honest, non-Force users mowing down Sith and Jedi has always been rather contrived in game. Obviously necessary for the medium, but it's not very realistic. Yes, I can think of various scenarios where it's viable. A battle distracting a Force user enough to land critical blows, them being inattentive or arrogant enough to miss things, them being tired enough to make mistakes, etc. All true, all possible. But the situations where some agent is taking a Dark Council member in a duel where a Force user is completely focused on the threat has never been very realistic.
@@hedinsee6830 So when you start denying the in game lore, or say they’re not realistic, that’s you taking a preference :)
I can’t add more to this conversation we have come to an impasse I’m afraid. We disagree, that’s okay! 👌
I'm sorry I disagree. The Jedi Knight defeated too many force users not to be number one, or at least a close two.
Trust me it was hard to score these in an official capacity. When comparing the classes I had to take things in to account such as opponents defeated and how easily. Defeating the Emperor for the Jedi Knight was not easy, it took a lot of prep for them to get there and be at the exact right moment. The emperors story unfolds further which diminishes the Jedi Knights initial defeat of the emperor.
The Jedi Knight took a loss, fair enough that was also the emperor but it’s still a loss. They had also had impeccable crew members, such as Lord Scourge who was a vital part of the final act.
With many, many variables considered this is the list that came out as likely. But I’m totally going to understand people placing the JK higher than I did.
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No pound? 🫠
I dont know if this is a troll video or not but its pretty much all wrong anyways. SI as the strongest? The protagonist is literally a one trick pony and once you take away or shield away their spirits they are lackluster to say the least. Bounty hunter has a lot of plot armor but cannot kill even 4 simple targets (Cathar even beats him to it), Jedi Knight often goes into places totally unprepared.
Jedi Consular is the strongest in the force, has best grasp in politics and economy, can defend well with lightsaber and never faces any true problem because he/she deals with the problems with total ease. Actually I think Jedi COnsular would solo 1v4 all tech classes on the way to stop the Inquisitor like no other and the only ones who could actually prove to be a challenge are Knight and Warrior if they can close the distance. (especially the part where the power doesnt return to the consular - before you finish off Lord Vivicar everyone tells you you look weak but never again during act 2 and act 3 - you just missed that you actually indeed recovered the strength, not to mention even if you were right, it means that if they indeed didnt recover anything, only very small part of their power was able to defeat the First son, kill Sith dark council members and more AND if that guy ever discovers the Voss or Belsavis healing, they would be so powerful that they probably could 1v8)
I would say 1 strongest, 8 weakest
1. Jedi Consular
2. Sith Warrior
3. Jedi Knight
4. Sith Inquisitor
5. Smuggler
6. Bounty hunter
7. Trooper
8. Imperial agent
I stated that we assume each are aligned with their home faction. Jedi = LS and such.
The LS Consular does not get the power back. It is that simple.
It’s alright saying “this a troll video and it’s all wrong” but all you said in response is that consular is your favourite while stretching to diss the other classes haha. Listen to the lore and reasons presented.
On paper, Inquisitor wins hands down no contest. You’re free to an opinion but please don’t assume no work into this or is just trolling you. Valid reasons and logic is laid out to you.
@@swcentral I gave you valid reasons, you just think they are "dissing on the other classes". The fact you use "haha" afterwards show immaturity. I gave all lore reasons. All you state is your opinion without actually disproving anything I say.
This very comment is "I say about others what I know is true of myself. I think this is where we part ways. Enjoy the rest of your adventures but I sure wont be sharing it because with this video and especially with this comment you proved to me that you are not worth my time. Have a nice day.
@@Dark_Voice Here, have a Snickers bar, on me. 😁
I could see the argument made about the Consular. However, you vastly underestimate the Inquisitor's power. Saying the Inquisitor is "nothing without the ghosts" is clear misinformation. The Inquisitor comes from the Kalig line and is widely considered to be the successor to Tulak Hord.
The only times the Inquisitor loses is when they can't control their own power, which they later fix and become more powerful and durable, both physically and spiritually. Not to mention the fact that the other classes have no way of dealing with the ghosts as they're not aware of force walking or how it works.
The Jedi Knight is strong but has lost before, against the Emperor and was only able to beat the Emperor because of help he had through his old master and the fact that the Emperor was severely weakened at the time. And at the end of the day the Jedi Knight only slows the Emperor down, which is the most disappointing part of that story unfortunately. The Sith Warrior is definitely a beast in his own right but lacks the force knowledge to face the Inquisitor head-on.
The Consular is the only one that maybe stands a chance if we assume the sealing technique does anything to the Inquisitor. But I'm not sure if they can somehow purify the Inquisitor and take the ghosts out. It's a bit of a stretch.
@@Dark_Voice Nope, you gave fan fare logic. Me saying “haha” proves immaturity? Careful. Saying something like that means you can never write “haha” again without becoming a hypocrite.
You opened your comment up with my video being a troll. This alone opened you up to a whole can of criticism on my end, so far it’s been very tame.
Next time approach a debate as a debate rather than loading your initial statement so you can play moral high ground after the fact.
My reasons for the list are the in the video, clear as crystal. You’re free to refer back to them as to disprove any of your original notion. Thanks.
You’re more than welcome not to come back, if you so wish. You do you 🍻