I have been i to hone theater for about 25 years and the cable arguement is always the same. It ends with a blind test where the listener explains that veing right 60 percent of the time proves tgier point, or that they only got 40 percent because they had a head cold, the speakers were not located properly and the humidity was too high. I always ask if someone did a blind ride-along in a 1997 Camry and a new Lamborghini and could only tell a slight difference in 85 percent of the rides and only on certain roads...would this prove the Lambo is better at 600 times the price?
@@appleturnover519 The Lambo would be incredible fast, and handle better, and sound better compared to the Camry. I think you missed the point of the comparison.
To be clear, the initial analogy was assumed to be about performance. But to your point, I would most certainly buy a Camry before a super car. More affordable, more reliable, reasonable maintenance and repairs, tire costs, fuel economy, and absolutely, a better ride. I own a 2004 Sequoia 4x4 now, and have owned a 2007 hybrid Camry, 2003 Sequoia, 2000 Tundra TRD, and it was a 3rd gen 1996 4Runner 4x4 that started it all. Your point is definitely not lost on me.
I use extension cords from the hardware store. Just chop the plugs off. Nice thick gauge copper wire and can be purchased at different lengths. And they come wrapped in the outer sheath.
@@Subwoofer101 The copper strands of each core are twisted. Each with a rubber shield around each cable core. I'd guess 15 strands per core making each around 12 gauge.. Then there's a rubber shield surrounding the positive and negative cores that you visibly see to make it one run from the AVR to the speaker. .In my case one core is brown and the other core is blue. I use the brown for negative and the blue for positive. These are designed for power shielding so theres no way for any sound deficiencies to the speaker in any way. The outer shield can be run over by a forklift. haha.
I agree with you 100%, you want wire that is heavy enough that the wire itself doesn't introduce much added resistance in the wire especially at long runs, the shorter the run the less it matters especially for home audio. I have some concern for the added inductance in the cable by using a twisted pair (causing some roll off at the higher audio frequencies), however again it depends on the length of run. However Regular untwisted speaker wire also has inductance. Twisting pairs used in networking helps retain the signal over a longer run, but if you look closely each pair are twisted at different amounts, helping to reduce cross talk between pairs. However audio is at such low frequencies its not really a problem. Plus the audio sent down speaker wires are already been amplified, so any cross-talk is so minute it would be impossible to hear, unless the audio is re-amplified. Car audio might suffer from cross-talk, if you connect the speaker level outputs from a head unit into an large amplifier and spit back out to speakers. Hopefully my explanation makes sense.
Yes, I'm in a new place from my original content, and in transition to some different equipment. The Ultra Towers actually fit better in the RV, and yet looked out of place in the new house, as ridiculous as that sounds. Normally the Ultra Towers can go anywhere in my opinion, but honestly I think the fireplace made it look all wrong. One of the few times I had to choose aesthetics over sound. Fireplaces are truly a pain for home theater.
@@Subwoofer101 Obviously expensive cables help a lot. That is why all of the big box stores have the same speakers hooked to the same amp with different cables so you can hear the difference for yourself. Oh, wait...nobody does that because it would lose them sales of expensive cable.
When I jumped from two channel to multi-channel, I almost immediately became aware of a very faint background signal noise (noise floor) didn't know what it was at first but it was only after I changed all my cables for the third time did I finally get rid of that background signal noise. Quality conductors might be controversial, but theirs no mistake what quality shielding brings to the room. In my experience, if one wishes for a totally quiet room, shielding is the only way to go about it. Even though I'm now using a high-performance arcam avr20 with matching power amps, at the time, as well as my original budget Sony SDR dn1080 AVR, most of my testing came from when I was auditioning mid-price Japanese AVR's Never mind the expense. Do you really think I would go through all this work not once, not twice, but on the third time to get rid of that very faint but very annoying background noise. If interested, here's a 3-minute video of what I had to go through. Please bear in mind that I'm no videographer 😂 ruclips.net/video/wwU0d3NfRQw/видео.htmlsi=8RcX4g8b07jjmYEr
I have been i to hone theater for about 25 years and the cable arguement is always the same. It ends with a blind test where the listener explains that veing right 60 percent of the time proves tgier point, or that they only got 40 percent because they had a head cold, the speakers were not located properly and the humidity was too high. I always ask if someone did a blind ride-along in a 1997 Camry and a new Lamborghini and could only tell a slight difference in 85 percent of the rides and only on certain roads...would this prove the Lambo is better at 600 times the price?
Wow! Seriously, bravo on the analogy!!!
That's a very succinct way to put it, way better than my explanation by miles!!
Absolutely love it!
Your comparison with the Camry is ridiculous because the ride in the Camry is much more comfortable.
@@Subwoofer101 Except for the fact that the ride in the Camry is much more comfortable. Hence the bad analogy.
@@appleturnover519 The Lambo would be incredible fast, and handle better, and sound better compared to the Camry. I think you missed the point of the comparison.
To be clear, the initial analogy was assumed to be about performance.
But to your point, I would most certainly buy a Camry before a super car.
More affordable, more reliable, reasonable maintenance and repairs, tire costs, fuel economy, and absolutely, a better ride.
I own a 2004 Sequoia 4x4 now, and have owned a 2007 hybrid Camry, 2003 Sequoia, 2000 Tundra TRD, and it was a 3rd gen 1996 4Runner 4x4 that started it all.
Your point is definitely not lost on me.
I use extension cords from the hardware store. Just chop the plugs off. Nice thick gauge copper wire and can be purchased at different lengths. And they come wrapped in the outer sheath.
Yep, varies on gauge, but it will definitely do the trick! Out of curiosity, are they parallel cable on the inside or twisted pair?
Same here
@@Subwoofer101 The copper strands of each core are twisted. Each with a rubber shield around each cable core. I'd guess 15 strands per core making each around 12 gauge.. Then there's a rubber shield surrounding the positive and negative cores that you visibly see to make it one run from the AVR to the speaker. .In my case one core is brown and the other core is blue. I use the brown for negative and the blue for positive. These are designed for power shielding so theres no way for any sound deficiencies to the speaker in any way. The outer shield can be run over by a forklift. haha.
Sure if you like wasting money.
@@justonbrazda3846 $5 is pretty cheap.
For the most part I think big money cables don’t give you what they say they do. Great to see you back 👍
I appreciate it!
I agree with you 100%, you want wire that is heavy enough that the wire itself doesn't introduce much added resistance in the wire especially at long runs, the shorter the run the less it matters especially for home audio. I have some concern for the added inductance in the cable by using a twisted pair (causing some roll off at the higher audio frequencies), however again it depends on the length of run. However Regular untwisted speaker wire also has inductance. Twisting pairs used in networking helps retain the signal over a longer run, but if you look closely each pair are twisted at different amounts, helping to reduce cross talk between pairs. However audio is at such low frequencies its not really a problem. Plus the audio sent down speaker wires are already been amplified, so any cross-talk is so minute it would be impossible to hear, unless the audio is re-amplified. Car audio might suffer from cross-talk, if you connect the speaker level outputs from a head unit into an large amplifier and spit back out to speakers. Hopefully my explanation makes sense.
Thank u for the info..keep it up 🔥🔥
Thank you!
Have you moved to a new place?
Have you sold your previous setup with the svs floorstanders and so on
Yes, I'm in a new place from my original content, and in transition to some different equipment.
The Ultra Towers actually fit better in the RV, and yet looked out of place in the new house, as ridiculous as that sounds.
Normally the Ultra Towers can go anywhere in my opinion, but honestly I think the fireplace made it look all wrong.
One of the few times I had to choose aesthetics over sound. Fireplaces are truly a pain for home theater.
I see, sometimes one have to compromise:)
👌 glad your back
Speaker cables are snake oil.
You mean they don't make $50 bookshelf speakers sound like $5,000 towers? 🤣
@@Subwoofer101 Obviously expensive cables help a lot. That is why all of the big box stores have the same speakers hooked to the same amp with different cables so you can hear the difference for yourself. Oh, wait...nobody does that because it would lose them sales of expensive cable.
Excellent point!!
When I jumped from two channel to multi-channel, I almost immediately became aware of a very faint background signal noise (noise floor) didn't know what it was at first but it was only after I changed all my cables for the third time did I finally get rid of that background signal noise. Quality conductors might be controversial, but theirs no mistake what quality shielding brings to the room. In my experience, if one wishes for a totally quiet room, shielding is the only way to go about it.
Even though I'm now using a high-performance arcam avr20 with matching power amps, at the time, as well as my original budget Sony SDR dn1080 AVR, most of my testing came from when I was auditioning mid-price Japanese AVR's
Never mind the expense. Do you really think I would go through all this work not once, not twice, but on the third time to get rid of that very faint but very annoying background noise.
If interested, here's a 3-minute video of what I had to go through. Please bear in mind that I'm no videographer 😂
ruclips.net/video/wwU0d3NfRQw/видео.htmlsi=8RcX4g8b07jjmYEr
If you buy cheap cables and you've got your sister set up. you always say maybe if I bought more expensive cables it might have sound it better
Swap cables and find out!