I just watched my first Subwoofer 101 episode (it definitely won’t be my last) about setting up avr and it was one of the most informative videos I’ve ever seen.Thanks so much for sharing your insights on the Marantz/Denon set up. I recently bought a Cinema 40 and you explained the setup in a very informative way with a little humor thrown in. I look forward to delving into many more of your topics and contributing to your channel $$.Stay off the coffee!😊
I recently bought two PB-1000 pros for my 250 ft^2 rectangular/enclosed theater room. I went through a bunch of measurements with REW to find the best placement for seat-to-seat consistency, with the best response curve. After applying some PEQ to tone down a big peak around 25 hz, I managed to get some pretty good measurements. The subs sound very nice, but lack the explosiveness I was hoping to achieve. I called SVS and they walked me through my Denon AVR-X2300W menus, but said I had it all set up correctly. They attenuated my mains a bit (effectively boosting sub gain relative to other speakers). They also had me apply PEQ gain at 50 hz to try and increase the amount of punch you feel. I'll admit it is pretty nice, but I am left wanting a bit more explosiveness. Would upgrading to PB-3000's give that to me? Or would I just be wasting my money? I'd also consider the monolith 15's, but they'd barely fit underneath my projector screen. I really want explosive, without being boomy and uncomfortable. (Also, can't afford dual PB-16 ultras, otherwise I'd go for it in a heartbeat). What do you recommend?
Whatever fix you did to resolve the 25 hertz peak, undo it. That's exactly where you're explosiveness lives. It's okay to have that higher than the rest. If it's a huge peak, you might be too close to a wall (boundary gain). But you want the response curve line to slowly get louder as it goes deeper. What I do to increase the explosiveness on these subs is add a PEQ at 29hertz, +4.0 boost, 2.5 Q. Adjust the boost to flavor, up or down. The other thing is you might not have the subs turned up high enough. Disable the 50 hertz PEQ, and then follow my Adjusting subs by ear hack. The Distance Hack and the crossover hack are important too. Should wake it up a bit. Perfect response graphs don't always sound perfect. You should get a little more impact, and a little more satisfaction with those adjustments, but if not, and you still want some more explosiveness, dual PB-2000 Pro's or the dual PB-3000's will be more explosive. But before doing that, I would definitely try getting the right sound out of these first. You can also look at my Top 16 AVR Settings video. The adjustments I have in there is kind of a combination of hacks that I use.
hello I'm a happy owner of a Sennheiser ambeo sb01 soundbar and I thought about adding a svs sb 4000 subwoofer to improve the bass in my room. my room is 27 m 3 do you think the svs sb 4000 subwoofer is too excessive or is it ideal for this size?
Disguise not responding to any of the comments but yes that subwoofer would work but you definitely need a receiver and a great receiver to integrate the subwoofer with that sound bar and in your small room. But if you can go with two subwoofers that will eliminate dead spots and dead zones in your subwoofer sound feel
First, love your videos! Dual SVS Ultra 16 subs here in a room that is 18x28 and it is amazing! Running Emotiva processor with SVS Ultra speakers and pretty happy. That being said I am going to listen to Golden Ear Triton 1R speakers soon.
I agree I have a small gaming room where I watch movies and play games and I have the SVS pb 1000 pro and 2 klipsch 10 inch 300 W subwoofers and I integrated it with the Denon 4700 and it is just incredible. The SVS 1000 is the icing on the cake the base is just I can’t even describe it. is almost like you’re feeling the action through your body. when movie scene throws an explosion you feel it I never felt anything like it it’s incredible I can’t wait to get two more SVS PB 2000 in my front room which is the living room it’s going to be amazing I also have four subs in the front room two of them I’m going to replace with the pb 2000 Nice review
Love the 16 Ultras! As a favor to me, could you try using the PEQ function to boost 29 hertz, at 2.5 Q and the boost anywhere from 2 to 5? Same values for each sub. Let me know what sounds best, no change, or boosted and what level of boost sounds good. I wasn't able to do this with the 16 Ultras (didn't have that trick figured out yet), so I'm curious what you think.
I have a 14'x14' room, in which I have tried many "cheap" systems, like the Pioneer VSX-832 5.1 channel. I ended up with a Yamaha RX-V6A 7.2 channel, for an extra $150ish (Edit: On sale)? So, I moved up. My speakers & subs are Andrew Jones 6 ohm 5.2 channels. I am going to purchase the Klipsch R12SWI 12", because as you’ve stated, I get a bad resonance in 1 corner. I've tried sound dampening which helped out the surround, but found that it's a dip in the floor in that entire corner, and the bass pools there, sounding muddy?... I have to go wireless because of the run. I do know that a couple floor speakers would probably work instead, but can't get those wireless 😅 You are correct, in a small room, you have to follow your ears, not some spreadsheet. Especially when you have openings, and irregular surfaces. Keep up the good work 👍🏽✌🏽
Great Subject choice, I sometimes read the question what size Sub should I get for a small room and I’m surprised how many suggest The PB16 or tell about the two 18inch Subs they have, I believe go with the biggest you have space for, I myself have dual SB 3000 in a small room only because I don’t have room for bigger Subs that I use for movies and music and very happy with my Subs
I have SB-3000s in my master bedroom and I tell you, I take hours to go downstairs or to my office while teleworking due to the pandemic because of listening to my stereo. I really love how these small subs hit so hard but play soft when needed. I love these little sticks of TNT. I got a black ash and piano black one. Got the piano black one during the Black Friday sale for $949.99 so couldn’t resist it.
I have two sb3000, thanks to sw101, I think they're the key to the whole system, for music and films, but it takes time and listening, to dial them in, use your ears subtle deep solid bass.
Hi @Subwoofer101! I have a dedicated room that is approx. (17.5' x 16.5' x 10') and looking to use for mostly movies now and adding gaming later. Music would be 3rd priority. I am looking at PB-2000 Pro or SB-3000. I like that 3000 has almost double the RMS power over the 2000 Pro, but maybe the ported of 2000 pro is better for my case? Or would my room and case warrant going even bigger to the PB-3000? Seems that might be too much for that room, what I just don't know. Looking for the deep punch in the chest feeling and room pressurization. Which would be best for my scenario? Thanks!
The most punch will come dual PB-3000's. If you're talking about single subs, I would STRONGLY recommend splitting your budget for duals, even if that means Dual PB-1000 Pro's. That visceral slam you're telling me you want comes from matching deep bass subwoofers, a single just can't do it the way you describe it. Ported subs are more efficient than sealed, so PB-2000 Pro vs SB-3000, I'd go with the PB-2000 Pro all day long. Regarding room size, it's almost a non issue. I've had dual PB-4000 in the Motorhome Project, and it was epic. Same benefits as a larger room, more impact, without any issues that smaller subs wouldn't face as well. You are not impaired by the size of your room when it comes to the performance of your subs. Get the subs you want, follow my Bass Hacks, and you will get what you're telling me you want.
Hello again @Subwoofer101! I'm really considering doing duals for my next setup. I have been doing all the research I can find, but I'm having a hard time understanding if it's important or necessary for an AV receiver to have independent/discrete subwoofer outputs or not? I'm thinking that if they are placed equal distance apart near the front of the room and equal distance from the primary seating area that I would not need independent, but just two regular outputs where they would split the signal, but maybe that's not the case?
You're a legend! Moment I learned you were in an RV, I was hooked and agree with pretty much everything you said. Have you experimented with Double Bass Array? In your case would be 2 arrays of 1 sub each, where one sub basically acts as an active bass trap.
I am stuck now. In a basement about 25x20x7.5 have a pb 1000 bought 10/20. Was going with a second one, then you reviewed the pb 1000 pro. Also, monolith 12 has become available for same price as pb 1000 pro. Please advise me to the best setup.
Extreme Toe In. Did a video on it, it helps the stereo imaging from seat to seat. Definitely a preference thing, but I don't think I will go back to typical toe in.
can you explain to me what someone told me They said once I break my subwoofer in it's going to sound louder and more deeper is that really true well I'll be able to tell the difference if so how much of a difference
I usually have to turn subs down after a few weeks. The spider and surrounds of the drivers relax a bit, and the subs become more efficient. As a result, the same level of power produces more output. Usually around 1 dB or so more output. Not sure about the depth changing, but it's possible I suppose. Interesting enough, over the course of several months, I kept needing to reduce the gain on the PB-16 Ultras. Overall, for me, I had to reduce the gain by 4 decibels. That's a lot. But it's a pretty stout driver, with a huge 8" voice coil. Makes sense in that regard. It just kept getting louder. But yeah, break in is a real thing. Even with towers and bookshelf speakers. It's not a massive difference, but it's usually noticeable to some degree.
The crazy part is another PB-2000 Pro will improve just about everything. I think duals are just as important in a small room. Dual PB-2000 Pro's are in the motorhome for a reason. Crazy good!
@@Subwoofer101 just finished calibrating my second PB2000Pro. Even though the curve in REW isn't all that different, the sound definitely is! The bass seems to have more detail and fills the entire room instead of just 1 position
Wait, so you're saying it's not just an audiophile thing? 🤔 Dual subwoofers are undeniably noticeable, as opposed to expensive speaker cables? 😅 Seriously though, welcome to proper bass! Now you can rediscover all kinds of content. The Accountant, Ghostbusters Afterlife, and ALL of your favorite music. It's going to sound better than you've ever heard it.
I have been using an SVS SB 12 NSD sub in my small room for years.You convinced me I need dual subs but the SB 12 NSD is no longer being sold. What sub should I buy that might match the sound quality of the SB 12 NSD? Thanks for your help and welcome back
I have a 10x10x10 room with small satellite speakers (5.1.2)My problem is my avr has 2 sub outs,but it's really only 1.they're y'd together internally..so i can't set them up properly..1 hard wired and 1 wireless..I have them sounding fairly well by ear..but is there any thing i could do to help?.Your suggestions would be appreciated..Your channel is down to earth..keep it up,I really enjoy them!!
Which subs are they? For sure, having a wired and a wireless subwoofer together is definitely a part of your problem. No question. The wireless adds a substantial delay. Room correction would register the wireless sub as much further away than it is, and that's because the wireless part has to package the signal, send it wirelessly, be received and unpackaged before it hits the subwoofer. Wired subs skip all of that. It's a matter of milliseconds, but that's all it takes to create a hot mess. Most AVR's are mono on both sub outs, which is what you want to get the best constructive interference. Any change in the subwoofer itself (mixed subwoofers, like a 10" and a 12" together) or changes to the signal coming out of the AVR will degrade the experience. The only things I find useful in discreet subwoofer outs are level and distance. Even then, I use the subwoofer's own gain control, and usually set the subs to the same distance anyway. If you can hardwire the wireless sub, that might go a long way. Run room correction again after that.
Right now I have Dual JL E-112, in my closed 12 x15x9 room. It sound nice good... But I feel it lacks some bottom end Hz, specially in action movies. I’m going to change them but I don’t know what’s better: if go dual PB-2000 Pro, or Single PB-3000... may be I can buy a second PB-3000 in the future but I’m not sure when... but for now I do can go dual PB-2000 Pro... I’m a movie lover. Do you think the Duals PB-2000 Pro will be a significant upgrade over the Dual JL E-112 I have right now? Or Would be better go for a Single PB-3000... My room is 1,620 cubic feet.
I don't think you would like going back to a single subwoofer. In your shoes, I would go with dual PB-2000 Pro's. They should sound a little more bottom heavy, which is ideal for theater. I think it brings music to life too. Be sure to follow my Bass Hack video series. You can run more gain on them than most subs, due to the response curve. Also, in the app, you can enable a PEQ at 29 hertz, 4+ dB boost at 2.5 Q. Try turning that PEQ on and off during the Accountant driveway shootout scene. You should notice a little more kick to the chest. I think you would enjoy them quite a bit.
@@Subwoofer101 Hi... I read this too late... I bought a single PB-3000. May be I can go with dual the next year (I hope), or, who knows...! But, meanwhile, What do you recommend to achieve the best Base possible in my room with a single PB-3000... Should I go with an Room EQ Wizard? I don’t know anything about that... Thank you for your response!!
Hey. What did you set your gain hack to for the SVS PB2000, and decibels in the receiver? I first had the gain knob at the halfway point and turned the sub decibels up to -3 (Audyssey had it at -8). I knew the sub was wonderful from the deep bass and how well it blended, but never really got "punched" in my chair. I never really felt much "impact," until I watched your gain hack video. I definitely can tell a difference now, but when I previewed the Pacific Rim trailer, there was a moment when the bass fluttered at a low frequency. How would you suggest I "calibrate" from here? If I turn the gain down, I won't be feeling as much "impact/punch" but I assume you've dealt with this and possibly solved it?
Good Afternoon @Subwoofer101. I'm really considering doing duals for my next setup. I have been doing all the research I can find, but I'm having a hard time understanding if it's important or necessary for an AV receiver to have independent/discrete subwoofer outputs or not? I'm thinking that if they are placed equal distance apart near the front of the room and equal distance from the primary seating area that I would not need independent, but just two regular outputs where they would split the signal, but maybe that's not the case?
Great question, a lot of caveats. Will it work without independent control of each sub? Yes, I've done it with a $400 Denon AVR, and honestly the results were better than expected. That said, the ability to make sure both subs are producing the same output is helpful. This matters more if one sub is closer to a corner, or just slight variation. I've had to run a 4.0 dB difference between the subs in my original living room, and even in the current living room, I have to run 1dB higher than the right. Didn't expect that. In the motorhome, no difference at all, equal level. The ability to independently adjust distance is very helpful. Even if they are equidistant, you can have variation in timing that is basically within manufacturing tolerance, so 1 sub may register as a foot further away. You also get better room correction, which in some cases can be a pretty dramatic difference. But if pulling the trigger on something like the Denon x3800 is not feasible, then yes, you can get a great experience with a less expensive AVR, but I would put the better AVR on your wishlist. Dual deep bass subwoofers will get you the biggest wow factor for the money, and I would prioritize it first. Going from a cheaper AVR to an XT 32 room correction AVR will sound more precise, due to the extra control. I put a Denon X2000 in the motorhome, and it was not great, but when I put the x6200 in, it was what I was looking for. That was the better room correction. Then I did a current cheap Denon, and it was better than the X2000. Probably some updates to the basic room correction. Maybe I made your decision making worse, but I would prioritize the subs first, a budget AVR will do the trick with all speakers set to small and 90 hertz minimum for each channel, to account for the less robust amps in the budget AVR. Once you get a chance, a good xt32 AVR with the channels you need will be worth doing.
@@Subwoofer101 so much information, but I'm very grateful for your time and information shared! You definitely did not make my decision making worse but explained many options to the fullest. The Denon x3800 was actually on my short list of AVR's, so this probably has made it jump the list if not #1 already. But I hear you, dual subs is #1 priority followed by better AVR or AVR with discrete/independent sub outputs vs and AVR without. Thanks again so much for sharing your vast knowledge!
Hey I am looking to get dual subs. My room ( second floor ) is F shaped. From top to bottom it is 32 feet long. The first stem out is where my the tv/ home theater would be ( tv up against the longest wall. The area the home theater would be is 10x12x 6.5 with low vaulted ceilings. I was looking at svs subs. I want to do dual and have them placed flanking the center channel. I was looking at dual sb3000, dual pb3000 or dual sb4000. Or I was just looking at a single pb4000. Any advice you can give me would be fully appreciated. This is my first real serious home theater system.
Dual PB-3000's will put a huge smile on your face once you have it dialed in! Starting off in style, I'd say!! Check my Bass Hack video series for setup tricks you won't find in manuals. You'll get the most out of them that way. For sure, I would go with dual PB-3000's over a single PB-4000. ALL. DAY. LONG. Since you're starting off, my "How I set up my AVR" video might be very useful too. Let me know what you think once you have it set up for a bit.
@@Subwoofer101 thanks for the reply. And keep up with the great content. I was also wondering with your home theater set up is a single 15 amp circuit enough for the equipment ? I’m not using any external amps on my set up.
Yep, basic 15 amp. Ran dual PB-16 Ultras on it with zero problems. The SVS amps use internal power storage (capacitance), so the actual power draw from the outlet is mind twisting. My TV or AVR would pop the breaker before the subs ever come close. 🤯🤓
Hey I just wanted to ask you a question. I know you recommended two pb3000 for my room in a previous video. Do you use REW a lot? I am new to having a real hole theater set up. Honestly is it that hard to dial in 2 subwoofers in a room that is pre treated with panels or bass traps? If you can give me advice it is much appreciated. Thank you.
My Monoprice 8 inch will be here tomorrow thursday. At $79 and the reviews from actually users, here on YT...that saved me some money to get a 2nd one in next month..but I have to ask...I have the Fosi BT30D and it fits only for one sub and 2 speakers...unless someone knows a shortcut or a way of getting around it, I have to buy another Amp or pre amp. Any suggestions please.
Watching you saying how important is getting duals.I have 1pb2000 but can t now find another! Can I buy a pb3000 playing dual with the pb2000 at least until I ll be able to take a second?
That's a good choice, though I would still suggest duals, and utilize the Low Frequency Containment (or similar AVR feature) at night. A single will sound boomier to your neighbors. Long explanation, but that's my experience, and it makes total sense. Communication and being a good neighbor is usually a good idea. Use your best judgement, every situation is dynamic. Some neighbors are not people you want to communicate with. Watch for my upcoming video, you might find it relevant. I also did an apartment video.
I second Subwoofer101s comment regarding neighbourly communication - I doesn't hurt to let your neighbours know that they're welcome to ask you to turn it down if you ever bother them - it creates goodwill and tolerance ;) I actually did a "sound test" with my neighbour when I lived in an apartment so I knew what level was audible through the walls - it's remarkable low!
You can be right up on it, or across the room. What's most important is that room correction is performed after any changes, and I would also employ my Distance Hack. Basically, it's the timing/delay that matters most. That's determined by room correction, and quantified by the distance setting in the AVR. If it was just listed as speaker delay, it would make no sense to the average listener, it would be a lot harder to figure out. Far more confusing than using distance to express the delay/timing values. Grab another PB-4000 if you can. Because of physics and the standing wave effect of a single subwoofer in an enclosed room, you aren't hearing everything the PB-4000 is producing. No matter where you sit, you will be missing something, even if your measurements say it's perfect. It also makes placement much less critical. Hopefully that helps!
To achieve the depth and volume I'm after, dual PB-1000's would get the job done. No problem. I could definitely get the cops called on me with those. 😆 However, I'm looking for the premium experience. I really want people to be taken aback. The PB-2000's do that at the lowest price point as far as I can tell. Good hard kick. It's a good sweet spot.
It depends. Some are blemish free, in like new condition, some have well documented blemishes. They're usually priced accordingly. I went to bed, and by the time I woke up, only 1 ported sub left! No idea what the pricing was like! 😆
Another good video! I keep asking myself if my 2380 cuft room is too small for dual PB-2000's and this answered a lot of my questions. Wanted to leave a comment and support.
Hi, really enjoy your vids (from the UK). Just a quick question please, Audyssey suggests a 75dB sub match at the start but to me that is far too low. Do you set yours to 75dB to run Audyssey and then go in and up the subs after, or do you run them hot from the start? I've tried it many ways but I prefer to ignore the Audyssey suggestion and run mine at 84dB from the start. Just seems to sound much better, but am I wrong doing this?? Thanks in advance.
Another surprise for sure! I picked a diesel platform, because the chassis itself is super strong and solid. The RV has a Spartan Mountain Master bus chassis, and the frame rails are pretty substantial. Additionally, this particular RV has a full steel cage, not all do. Traditionally, diesel pushers (as they're called) are built to a higher standard than gasoline counterparts. I still expected rattles like crazy, but I only found 1!! Piece of tissue on the offending window screen, problem solved. I have way more rattles in the house. I chase them down and address them if I can, but the oven rattles in a way I can't seem to fix, but it's not major. Fixing rattles is basically putting something absorbent between the two surfaces that are making the noise. Face tissue, cork, yoga mat, or mouse pad, whatever makes sense for the situation. Subwoofer isolation helps a lot with wood floors for things that are close to the subs, but won't fix a rattle on the other side of the house. Isolation reduces the physical energy of the box moving, but does not change the sound energy. Thanks for a great question, I did a video on it too.
Been watching your videos for a while now and wanted to get some advice regarding choosing a sub. I had a PB 2000 in the living room and sold it due to WAF as it was in living room taking a bit more space (4m x 3.5m) and so now have 2 x SB 1000s which fit easily. The sb 1000 is not in your list as you have mentioned you prefer the ported subs over sealed ones. I got the sb 1000s just before the pro version came out here in Australia. I wanted to ask you would getting 2 x PB 1000 pro be better than 2x SB 1000s? Thank u
Farewell 1 tour. Hell Freezes Over is great too, but Farewell 1 has full lossless audio, DTS Master. You just have to remember that the default audio is 2 channel, and you have to change the audio format (audio button on the Blu Ray player remote) to get full surround.
Hi... I read your message too late... I bought a single PB-3000. May be I can go with dual the next year (I hope), or, who knows...! But, meanwhile, What do you recommend to achieve the best Base possible in my room with a single PB-3000... Should I go with an Room EQ Wizard? I don’t know anything about that... Thank you for your response!!
Well, objectively speaking, if you are looking for a straightforward answer, then in my personal experience with our PB1000 Pro is that the default-10 is a great starting point for getting good bass after having done the Automated Calibration first. Our AVR-X2700 set -7db sub trim after the Calibration and then I dialed back in the SVS app from-15 for Calibration purposes to now using the default-10. Balanced and authoritative when it needs to be. Sometimes, depending upon content, I'd push it completely and set -4 or -5 to really get room shaking output. Acoustically treated theater room having dimensions of 16x12x9 feet. Hope this helps.
That's a hellacious sale. I got a discount on dual PB-3000s yesterday before the sale but then again I have purchased excessively from SVS and you are mostly to blame since your RUclips site got me into SVS. It's all good and thanks for posting for the bass heads like me and I am an older, late 50's bass head.
I'm glad I contributed to your bass addiction! 😆 It might not be a cheap addiction, but I think it's fair to say that, as addiction goes, it's a pretty healthy one to feed. 😎 You're going to love dual PB-3000's. Awesome explosiveness.
Love your videos and tips! This one totally resonates with me. I have a small room 11x10 a with a 15inch Triad subwoofer. Looking to add a 2nd sub but not sure which one to pair. Would love to get 2 identical ones but should I look for another 15inch sub or a smaller one can also work, budget also being a major constraint.
Nice to see you back, I like your content. Yeah the stuff on the svs page is already like 2/3 less then what it was yesterday, most everything is already gone
I scheduled the video, went to sleep, and when I woke up, one ported sub left. 😄 No idea how quickly they went. Wouldn't be surprised if it happens within the first 30 minutes. Maybe even 10 minutes at this point. I'll have to watch the next one.
Yeap, those products go fast. It’s best to get something the first day as the products’ prices increase as the sale goes on until it ends. I’ve scored dual PB-2000 Pros, an SB-3000, Ultra Surrounds, Prime Bookshelves and some Satellites. Plus SVS allowed me to upgrade to the Dual PB-3000s from the 2000 Pros using the one year upgrade plan. Hang in there they will have a sale soon and they are worth it and backed by the full warranty.
No, not sorry at all. Give SVS a call, email, or chat, and they will get you taken care of, one way or another. They will do what they can to make sure you're happy with the exchange. You'll probably have to pay the difference or something, but it WILL be worth the upgrade to the Pro's. No question about it.
Kind of tough because you're comparing sealed to ported. Ported typically has the advantage with home theater, ported subs are also more efficient. To get the same performance, a sealed subwoofer typically needs more power than a ported. And all of that said, with the app, you can do all kinds of fun things. It might be a wash.
Your videos are extremely informative and much appreciated! Do you use the LFE input on the back of the sub or the RCA L/R? Was wondering the benefit of one over the other. Thank you!
There’s no reason for any arguments.. it’s really all about where the low frequency sound energy nodes and anti-nodes reside relative to the listening position in any space. Since all “spaces” are different, the standing wave map is always different. You found an approach that facilitates a solution that works for you. Very simple really.
I'm actually going to buy new subwoofers somewhere next month. I currently have a dual set of 10" sealed subs, and will be replacing them. I'm in a bit of a pickle though, I originally wanted dual 12" ported subs, however with a new couch coming along, one of them would be mostly blocked, and the other one isn't in a great spot either. Moving them around would make since, but the speakers have to be symmetrically placed (wife)... On the other hand if I get a single 15" (the monolith 15" THX) I'm able to place it in the "ideal" spot, the driver would be facing the main listening positions directly and there would be nothing blocking it. I'm hoping at some point I can pick up a second one, but judging from my wife....well it's probably never going to happen. Would it be better still to go with dual here?
It’s always best to go with 2 or more subwoofers in my small room I have three subwoofers integrated with the Denon 4700 it’s incredible but the icing on the cake is the SVS subwoofer it’s just in credible
@@alambe7275 After a lot of research on this topic I decided to go for the single 15" If you have a huge open room, 2 smaller subs won't cut it, best to get the single biggest sub you can at that point. Also, just adding a second sub without running it through something like a miniDSP and make sure they are properly setup, a second sub can lower your bass response. While a proper dual setup is better, it's not when it isn't done properly. I get the feeling many people online just copy/paste the advice from youtubers without any context.
@@exeonx6561 awesome I bet that 15 inch sub sounds amazing I agree the bigger sub for your room will do just fine and is doing just fine I may add For me I have three subs in my small game room one of them is the SVS pb 1000 pro and being integrated by the Denon 4700 AV it’s incredible the whole new level of movie watching and gaming I want 2 pb 2000 Pro in the front room hopefully that will happen soon Have a blessed day bro
Not at all. In fact, my subwoofer gain in a large room and a small room are usually less than 1-2 dB apart. It's more about dealing with the room itself, which should be done with small or large subwoofers. Anyone who has heard the motorhome theater setup would not be able to tell you that the subs sound small. The guys from SVS were surprised by how much bass and explosiveness I was able to get, especially at lower volumes. It's all about balance and relativity.
It's funny to think about these "rules of thumb". Everyone knows a Ferrari can drive 25mph, but somehow we think that a sub with a large driver can't be regulated. (Large driver = low frequency, not necessarily high volume.) I built my self a knock-off Genelec 8381A...2 independent subwoofers in each tower speaker! It sounds excellent!
I have one of these, www.dspeaker.com/en/products/anti-mode-8033.shtml and a pair of PB 1000, in a medium room. LOVING IT! The PB 2000 Pro, is getting too big for me:-( Will the SB 3000 hit significantly harder, than PB 1000?
I just got the PB-3000s (en route) to replace my PB-2000 Pros in my basement, so I am going the opposite direction. However, I do use dual SB-3000s in my bedroom and they thump. I also use dual Hsu ULS-15 MK2 in my family room and they go lower than my SB-3000s but doesn't hit as hard.
Oh, but the PB-2000 Pro's are sooo good. Definitely more impact! I'm not 100% on the SB-3000, I have a problem with sealed subs, they cause uncomfortable pressure in my ears. Typically, ported also have a deeper sound, within the SVS line. You can alter that with the app, but I don't know if it will give the impact you want. It's possible to break even, which seems insane to say. Sealed require more power for the same output. So you need about double the power, roughly speaking. I wish I could give you a more definite answer, but the app and voice coil of the 3000 changes things a bit. I know the PB-2000 Pro's are epic. If those are not possible due to the size, look for my next video.
Reggie, try bumping your SB-3000's using the PEQ function of the app. 29 hertz, 2.5 Q, 2 to 5 boost value. Hopefully it might make it sound more like ported. Let me know, if you can.
Or just never listen to a decent system and be happy with even the cheapest setup like me. I have only a basic 7.2 not even Dolby atmos, single 10 inch sony sub 115t watt, massive room open concept. I've had. To glue my surround speaker together a few times and the dog chewed my second sub, but I never noticed a difference without it because I just cranked up the sub till it starts to shake the room in a movie. Even if you just have a sound bar and 2 used speakers you found on Facebook market place, you will be happy if you don't know the differences. Unfortunately for me, my in laws just went all out and dialed it all in with a pro, now I go home and my system sucks. So the lesson is stay away from peoples house with high end set up.. Or, I guess just hang out there and watch movies! That's what I am doing haha
Same here. I have a big room but can’t nicely fit two large subs in it so I have a smaller dual sub. Sounds good to me but probably shitty to someone with “subjectively” higher quality hearing.
I've learned a lot from you , thanks . i have a song for you that will tickle those subs , its by Paul Brown called Dear Ndugu . Don't let the name throw you
Drive out to that what's it call desert area-51 desert not on ALIEN-51 grounds but you know. Then set up the speakers outdoors with the Oled and listen to a movie and do some frequency sweeps cos it won't have the boundary effect of the walls and ceiling. Oh and play ALIENS theatrical in six-track DOLBY STEREO on bluray should sound great well depends how you set it up in an open Area ALIEN-51 desert.
you can break up standing waves by angling the subwoofers so that the wave does not return directly to the speaker. In fact, your set up is the worst for standing waves.
Sorry to disagree. If you angle or move your subwoofer, you are not "breaking" a standing wave, you're just "shifting it". One frequency peak may go down, but another will rise in its place. Constructive interference is how you handle a standing wave, which requires dual subs, ideally identical. And having dual subs up front like that? That makes the Distance Hack, which is basically a slight timing shift in a particular direction, makes the sub placement pretty optimal. Conventional wisdom isn't always right, and I've definitely found that to be true in this hobby. I found so many optimizations by making the assumption that conventional wisdom might be wrong. The Speaker Level Hack is a perfect example. Conventional wisdom tells you that all speakers should produce the same SPL as measured on a meter. In reality, if you do that, and there is a disparity and distance between your speakers, the one that's further away is going to sound quieter, and the one that's closer is going to sound louder, even though they measure at the same SPL. The only way to fix it, is to do it by ear, and abandon conventional wisdom in that particular situation.
Total drivel “explosiveness”? Hi-Fi is very well defined. Please detail the % of explosiveness for a 10” over a 12” sub ....go! Then show how you measured this parameter. P.s. boundary gain ... speaker boundary interference effect sbie “Running more gain” 🤦♂️ You have no idea what you are talking about.
The descriptors of objective Hi-Fi (acoustics) are well defined...the subjective experience that results in what we "hear" (psychoacoustics) is not. "Explosiveness" is a pretty common *subjective* description for HT subwoofer reviews when trying to describe the actual impact most of us are looking for - this explosiveness isn't reflected in frequency response curves, max burst spl, etc. Also, from my limited experience, I am pretty sure boundary gain and interference effects are real (and probably measurable). Finally, "running more gain" just means turning the gain up on your sub beyond your calibrated level during set-up, or maybe turning the sub line level up on the AVR. If you're looking for frequency response curves and standardized, repeatable testing metrics check out Audioholics - they do great tests. If you're looking to understand how to have the best subwoofer experience, this channel is great. NathanOakley1980 - what kind of subs are you running right now? (I'm really curious - I have a PB-3000, and am about to order a second!)
😂🤣 Just "wrong"? No way. Yours is wrong. All wrong. 😅 But seriously, everyone has an opinion. Eyes closed, listening only to the sound, I think you'd find a lot more "right" than you might imagine. Conventional wisdom, that's what is often "wrong". Thinking outside the box has value for a reason. Doctors no longer recommend cigarettes. That was conventional wisdom at the time, but we definitely know better now, don't we? Fear of change and novel information can really hold a person back. If you want to expand on what you think is wrong, feel free, and we can have a real discussion. Otherwise, thank you for the chuckle! Cheers!
The point thing I know for sure from people who have better systems Than I do, is a bit of room behind the speakers and subs. Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with your setup if you enjoy it!
I just watched my first Subwoofer 101 episode (it definitely won’t be my last) about setting up avr and it was one of the most informative videos I’ve ever seen.Thanks so much for sharing your insights on the Marantz/Denon set up. I recently bought a Cinema 40 and you explained the setup in a very informative way with a little humor thrown in. I look forward to delving into many more of your topics and contributing to your channel $$.Stay off the coffee!😊
I appreciate it! I'm glad you find my channel helpful, and comments like yours make my day!!
Been worried about you it's been so long since you uploaded. Great to hear from you 👍👍👍👍
Thanks!! #2020 is all I can say.
Hey man nice to "see" you and your educational videos once again! Best regards from Portugal!
I recently bought two PB-1000 pros for my 250 ft^2 rectangular/enclosed theater room. I went through a bunch of measurements with REW to find the best placement for seat-to-seat consistency, with the best response curve. After applying some PEQ to tone down a big peak around 25 hz, I managed to get some pretty good measurements. The subs sound very nice, but lack the explosiveness I was hoping to achieve. I called SVS and they walked me through my Denon AVR-X2300W menus, but said I had it all set up correctly. They attenuated my mains a bit (effectively boosting sub gain relative to other speakers). They also had me apply PEQ gain at 50 hz to try and increase the amount of punch you feel. I'll admit it is pretty nice, but I am left wanting a bit more explosiveness. Would upgrading to PB-3000's give that to me? Or would I just be wasting my money? I'd also consider the monolith 15's, but they'd barely fit underneath my projector screen. I really want explosive, without being boomy and uncomfortable. (Also, can't afford dual PB-16 ultras, otherwise I'd go for it in a heartbeat). What do you recommend?
Whatever fix you did to resolve the 25 hertz peak, undo it.
That's exactly where you're explosiveness lives.
It's okay to have that higher than the rest. If it's a huge peak, you might be too close to a wall (boundary gain). But you want the response curve line to slowly get louder as it goes deeper.
What I do to increase the explosiveness on these subs is add a PEQ at 29hertz, +4.0 boost, 2.5 Q. Adjust the boost to flavor, up or down.
The other thing is you might not have the subs turned up high enough. Disable the 50 hertz PEQ, and then follow my Adjusting subs by ear hack.
The Distance Hack and the crossover hack are important too. Should wake it up a bit.
Perfect response graphs don't always sound perfect.
You should get a little more impact, and a little more satisfaction with those adjustments, but if not, and you still want some more explosiveness, dual PB-2000 Pro's or the dual PB-3000's will be more explosive.
But before doing that, I would definitely try getting the right sound out of these first.
You can also look at my Top 16 AVR Settings video. The adjustments I have in there is kind of a combination of hacks that I use.
No. Do pb 2000's. Room is too small for a pb 3000
Thanx for the great video. Considering selling my SB16 Ultra now to afford dual sb2000 now instead. Merry Christmas ❤
Great to have you back.👍👍👍
Good to be back! Thanks!!
Nice to see a video after really long. Hope all is well.
hello I'm a happy owner of a Sennheiser ambeo sb01 soundbar and I thought about adding a svs sb 4000 subwoofer to improve the bass in my room. my room is 27 m 3 do you think the svs sb 4000 subwoofer is too excessive or is it ideal for this size?
Disguise not responding to any of the comments but yes that subwoofer would work but you definitely need a receiver and a great receiver to integrate the subwoofer with that sound bar and in your small room. But if you can go with two subwoofers that will eliminate dead spots and dead zones in your subwoofer sound feel
First, love your videos! Dual SVS Ultra 16 subs here in a room that is 18x28 and it is amazing! Running Emotiva processor with SVS Ultra speakers and pretty happy. That being said I am going to listen to Golden Ear Triton 1R speakers soon.
Subwoofers are more black and white, where loudspeakers are more of a personal choice.
I agree I have a small gaming room where I watch movies and play games and I have the SVS pb 1000 pro and 2 klipsch 10 inch 300 W subwoofers and I integrated it with the Denon 4700 and it is just incredible. The SVS 1000 is the icing on the cake the base is just I can’t even describe it. is almost like you’re feeling the action through your body. when movie scene throws an explosion you feel it I never felt anything like it it’s incredible I can’t wait to get two more SVS PB 2000 in my front room which is the living room it’s going to be amazing I also have four subs in the front room two of them I’m going to replace with the pb 2000 Nice review
I have dual SVS SB-16 Ultra. Smooth even BASS throughout the room with VISCERAL impact.
Love the 16 Ultras!
As a favor to me, could you try using the PEQ function to boost 29 hertz, at 2.5 Q and the boost anywhere from 2 to 5? Same values for each sub.
Let me know what sounds best, no change, or boosted and what level of boost sounds good.
I wasn't able to do this with the 16 Ultras (didn't have that trick figured out yet), so I'm curious what you think.
I have a 14'x14' room, in which I have tried many "cheap" systems, like the Pioneer VSX-832 5.1 channel. I ended up with a Yamaha RX-V6A 7.2 channel, for an extra $150ish (Edit: On sale)? So, I moved up. My speakers & subs are Andrew Jones 6 ohm 5.2 channels. I am going to purchase the Klipsch R12SWI 12", because as you’ve stated, I get a bad resonance in 1 corner. I've tried sound dampening which helped out the surround, but found that it's a dip in the floor in that entire corner, and the bass pools there, sounding muddy?... I have to go wireless because of the run. I do know that a couple floor speakers would probably work instead, but can't get those wireless 😅
You are correct, in a small room, you have to follow your ears, not some spreadsheet. Especially when you have openings, and irregular surfaces. Keep up the good work 👍🏽✌🏽
Great Subject choice, I sometimes read the question what size Sub should I get for a small room and I’m surprised how many suggest The PB16 or tell about the two 18inch Subs they have, I believe go with the biggest you have space for, I myself have dual SB 3000 in a small room only because I don’t have room for bigger Subs that I use for movies and music and very happy with my Subs
Thanks for the positive feedback!
I have SB-3000s in my master bedroom and I tell you, I take hours to go downstairs or to my office while teleworking due to the pandemic because of listening to my stereo. I really love how these small subs hit so hard but play soft when needed. I love these little sticks of TNT. I got a black ash and piano black one. Got the piano black one during the Black Friday sale for $949.99 so couldn’t resist it.
I have two sb3000, thanks to sw101, I think they're the key to the whole system, for music and films, but it takes time and listening, to dial them in, use your ears subtle deep solid bass.
Hi @Subwoofer101! I have a dedicated room that is approx. (17.5' x 16.5' x 10') and looking to use for mostly movies now and adding gaming later. Music would be 3rd priority. I am looking at PB-2000 Pro or SB-3000. I like that 3000 has almost double the RMS power over the 2000 Pro, but maybe the ported of 2000 pro is better for my case? Or would my room and case warrant going even bigger to the PB-3000? Seems that might be too much for that room, what I just don't know. Looking for the deep punch in the chest feeling and room pressurization. Which would be best for my scenario? Thanks!
The most punch will come dual PB-3000's. If you're talking about single subs, I would STRONGLY recommend splitting your budget for duals, even if that means Dual PB-1000 Pro's.
That visceral slam you're telling me you want comes from matching deep bass subwoofers, a single just can't do it the way you describe it.
Ported subs are more efficient than sealed, so PB-2000 Pro vs SB-3000, I'd go with the PB-2000 Pro all day long.
Regarding room size, it's almost a non issue. I've had dual PB-4000 in the Motorhome Project, and it was epic. Same benefits as a larger room, more impact, without any issues that smaller subs wouldn't face as well.
You are not impaired by the size of your room when it comes to the performance of your subs. Get the subs you want, follow my Bass Hacks, and you will get what you're telling me you want.
@@Subwoofer101 Wow. Such great information!. Thank you @Subwoofer101 for replying so quick and for all that you shared. I'm learning so much!
Hello again @Subwoofer101! I'm really considering doing duals for my next setup. I have been doing all the research I can find, but I'm having a hard time understanding if it's important or necessary for an AV receiver to have independent/discrete subwoofer outputs or not? I'm thinking that if they are placed equal distance apart near the front of the room and equal distance from the primary seating area that I would not need independent, but just two regular outputs where they would split the signal, but maybe that's not the case?
You're a legend! Moment I learned you were in an RV, I was hooked and agree with pretty much everything you said.
Have you experimented with Double Bass Array? In your case would be 2 arrays of 1 sub each, where one sub basically acts as an active bass trap.
Some times it just takes a ear to get it right. Add that subtract this take away the percentage??? I’m glad to Hear what you said.
I'm looking at the rsl speedwoofer 10s mkii to pair with my klipsch mclaren fives, small bedroom.
The 10s doesn't have a deep enough sound for me. Their newer sub has promise, but it's a good bit larger.
@@Subwoofer101
I went with sb 3000.
I am stuck now. In a basement about 25x20x7.5 have a pb 1000 bought 10/20. Was going with a second one, then you reviewed the pb 1000 pro. Also, monolith 12 has become available for same price as pb 1000 pro. Please advise me to the best setup.
Hey. Why you have your speakers not facing you?
Extreme Toe In. Did a video on it, it helps the stereo imaging from seat to seat.
Definitely a preference thing, but I don't think I will go back to typical toe in.
Oh wow oke. I like your channel. Have a nice day😁
Extreme toe in good for movie watching ?
can you explain to me what someone told me They said once I break my subwoofer in it's going to sound louder and more deeper is that really true well I'll be able to tell the difference if so how much of a difference
I usually have to turn subs down after a few weeks.
The spider and surrounds of the drivers relax a bit, and the subs become more efficient.
As a result, the same level of power produces more output.
Usually around 1 dB or so more output.
Not sure about the depth changing, but it's possible I suppose.
Interesting enough, over the course of several months, I kept needing to reduce the gain on the PB-16 Ultras.
Overall, for me, I had to reduce the gain by 4 decibels. That's a lot.
But it's a pretty stout driver, with a huge 8" voice coil. Makes sense in that regard. It just kept getting louder.
But yeah, break in is a real thing. Even with towers and bookshelf speakers. It's not a massive difference, but it's usually noticeable to some degree.
Rocking a PB2000Pro in my 11' x 12' bedroom. With the right placement and calibration this will definitely work in a small room
The crazy part is another PB-2000 Pro will improve just about everything. I think duals are just as important in a small room.
Dual PB-2000 Pro's are in the motorhome for a reason. Crazy good!
@@Subwoofer101 got a second one last week. Just returned from vacation so will calibrate them in a couple days
@@Subwoofer101 just finished calibrating my second PB2000Pro. Even though the curve in REW isn't all that different, the sound definitely is! The bass seems to have more detail and fills the entire room instead of just 1 position
Wait, so you're saying it's not just an audiophile thing? 🤔
Dual subwoofers are undeniably noticeable, as opposed to expensive speaker cables? 😅
Seriously though, welcome to proper bass!
Now you can rediscover all kinds of content. The Accountant, Ghostbusters Afterlife, and ALL of your favorite music.
It's going to sound better than you've ever heard it.
Be sure to watch my Bass Hack Videos:
Crossover Hack
Distance Hack
Adjusting subwoofers by ear Hack
Gain Hack
Those are the most important.
I have been using an SVS SB 12 NSD sub in my small room for years.You convinced me I need dual subs but the SB 12 NSD is no longer being sold. What sub should I buy that might match the sound quality of the SB 12 NSD? Thanks for your help and welcome back
Ideally, you want duals that are the exact same.
My next video might be interesting to you.
@@Subwoofer101 Okay thanks--I was going for perhaps the SB 1000 but ill wait for the video
I have a 10x10x10 room with small satellite speakers (5.1.2)My problem is my avr has 2 sub outs,but it's really only 1.they're y'd together internally..so i can't set them up properly..1 hard wired and 1 wireless..I have them sounding fairly well by ear..but is there any thing i could do to help?.Your suggestions would be appreciated..Your channel is down to earth..keep it up,I really enjoy them!!
Which subs are they?
For sure, having a wired and a wireless subwoofer together is definitely a part of your problem. No question.
The wireless adds a substantial delay.
Room correction would register the wireless sub as much further away than it is, and that's because the wireless part has to package the signal, send it wirelessly, be received and unpackaged before it hits the subwoofer.
Wired subs skip all of that.
It's a matter of milliseconds, but that's all it takes to create a hot mess.
Most AVR's are mono on both sub outs, which is what you want to get the best constructive interference.
Any change in the subwoofer itself (mixed subwoofers, like a 10" and a 12" together) or changes to the signal coming out of the AVR will degrade the experience.
The only things I find useful in discreet subwoofer outs are level and distance.
Even then, I use the subwoofer's own gain control, and usually set the subs to the same distance anyway.
If you can hardwire the wireless sub, that might go a long way. Run room correction again after that.
Polk wired and klipsch wireless
Right now I have Dual JL E-112, in my closed 12 x15x9 room. It sound nice good... But I feel it lacks some bottom end Hz, specially in action movies. I’m going to change them but I don’t know what’s better: if go dual PB-2000 Pro, or Single PB-3000... may be I can buy a second PB-3000 in the future but I’m not sure when... but for now I do can go dual PB-2000 Pro... I’m a movie lover. Do you think the Duals PB-2000 Pro will be a significant upgrade over the Dual JL E-112 I have right now? Or Would be better go for a Single PB-3000... My room is 1,620 cubic feet.
I don't think you would like going back to a single subwoofer. In your shoes, I would go with dual PB-2000 Pro's.
They should sound a little more bottom heavy, which is ideal for theater. I think it brings music to life too.
Be sure to follow my Bass Hack video series. You can run more gain on them than most subs, due to the response curve.
Also, in the app, you can enable a PEQ at 29 hertz, 4+ dB boost at 2.5 Q. Try turning that PEQ on and off during the Accountant driveway shootout scene. You should notice a little more kick to the chest.
I think you would enjoy them quite a bit.
@@Subwoofer101 Hi... I read this too late... I bought a single PB-3000. May be I can go with dual the next year (I hope), or, who knows...! But, meanwhile, What do you recommend to achieve the best Base possible in my room with a single PB-3000... Should I go with an Room EQ Wizard? I don’t know anything about that... Thank you for your response!!
Hey. What did you set your gain hack to for the SVS PB2000, and decibels in the receiver? I first had the gain knob at the halfway point and turned the sub decibels up to -3 (Audyssey had it at -8). I knew the sub was wonderful from the deep bass and how well it blended, but never really got "punched" in my chair. I never really felt much "impact," until I watched your gain hack video. I definitely can tell a difference now, but when I previewed the Pacific Rim trailer, there was a moment when the bass fluttered at a low frequency. How would you suggest I "calibrate" from here? If I turn the gain down, I won't be feeling as much "impact/punch" but I assume you've dealt with this and possibly solved it?
Good Afternoon @Subwoofer101. I'm really considering doing duals for my next setup. I have been doing all the research I can find, but I'm having a hard time understanding if it's important or necessary for an AV receiver to have independent/discrete subwoofer outputs or not? I'm thinking that if they are placed equal distance apart near the front of the room and equal distance from the primary seating area that I would not need independent, but just two regular outputs where they would split the signal, but maybe that's not the case?
Great question, a lot of caveats.
Will it work without independent control of each sub? Yes, I've done it with a $400 Denon AVR, and honestly the results were better than expected.
That said, the ability to make sure both subs are producing the same output is helpful. This matters more if one sub is closer to a corner, or just slight variation.
I've had to run a 4.0 dB difference between the subs in my original living room, and even in the current living room, I have to run 1dB higher than the right. Didn't expect that. In the motorhome, no difference at all, equal level.
The ability to independently adjust distance is very helpful. Even if they are equidistant, you can have variation in timing that is basically within manufacturing tolerance, so 1 sub may register as a foot further away.
You also get better room correction, which in some cases can be a pretty dramatic difference.
But if pulling the trigger on something like the Denon x3800 is not feasible, then yes, you can get a great experience with a less expensive AVR, but I would put the better AVR on your wishlist.
Dual deep bass subwoofers will get you the biggest wow factor for the money, and I would prioritize it first.
Going from a cheaper AVR to an XT 32 room correction AVR will sound more precise, due to the extra control.
I put a Denon X2000 in the motorhome, and it was not great, but when I put the x6200 in, it was what I was looking for.
That was the better room correction. Then I did a current cheap Denon, and it was better than the X2000. Probably some updates to the basic room correction.
Maybe I made your decision making worse, but I would prioritize the subs first, a budget AVR will do the trick with all speakers set to small and 90 hertz minimum for each channel, to account for the less robust amps in the budget AVR.
Once you get a chance, a good xt32 AVR with the channels you need will be worth doing.
@@Subwoofer101 so much information, but I'm very grateful for your time and information shared! You definitely did not make my decision making worse but explained many options to the fullest. The Denon x3800 was actually on my short list of AVR's, so this probably has made it jump the list if not #1 already. But I hear you, dual subs is #1 priority followed by better AVR or AVR with discrete/independent sub outputs vs and AVR without. Thanks again so much for sharing your vast knowledge!
Hey I am looking to get dual subs. My room ( second floor ) is F shaped. From top to bottom it is 32 feet long. The first stem out is where my the tv/ home theater would be ( tv up against the longest wall. The area the home theater would be is 10x12x 6.5 with low vaulted ceilings. I was looking at svs subs. I want to do dual and have them placed flanking the center channel. I was looking at dual sb3000, dual pb3000 or dual sb4000. Or I was just looking at a single pb4000. Any advice you can give me would be fully appreciated. This is my first real serious home theater system.
Dual PB-3000's will put a huge smile on your face once you have it dialed in! Starting off in style, I'd say!!
Check my Bass Hack video series for setup tricks you won't find in manuals. You'll get the most out of them that way.
For sure, I would go with dual PB-3000's over a single PB-4000. ALL. DAY. LONG.
Since you're starting off, my "How I set up my AVR" video might be very useful too.
Let me know what you think once you have it set up for a bit.
SUBWOOFERS should be used in pairs, GO DUAL.
@@Subwoofer101 thanks for the reply. And keep up with the great content. I was also wondering with your home theater set up is a single 15 amp circuit enough for the equipment ? I’m not using any external amps on my set up.
Yep, basic 15 amp. Ran dual PB-16 Ultras on it with zero problems.
The SVS amps use internal power storage (capacitance), so the actual power draw from the outlet is mind twisting.
My TV or AVR would pop the breaker before the subs ever come close. 🤯🤓
@@Subwoofer101 wow that’s so crazy. I couldn’t imagine how dual pb16 ultra would be.
Hey I just wanted to ask you a question. I know you recommended two pb3000 for my room in a previous video. Do you use REW a lot? I am new to having a real hole theater set up. Honestly is it that hard to dial in 2 subwoofers in a room that is pre treated with panels or bass traps? If you can give me advice it is much appreciated. Thank you.
My Monoprice 8 inch will be here tomorrow thursday. At $79 and the reviews from actually users, here on YT...that saved me some money to get a 2nd one in next month..but I have to ask...I have the Fosi BT30D and it fits only for one sub and 2 speakers...unless someone knows a shortcut or a way of getting around it, I have to buy another Amp or pre amp. Any suggestions please.
Watching you saying how important is getting duals.I have 1pb2000 but can t now find another! Can I buy a pb3000 playing dual with the pb2000 at least until I ll be able to take a second?
is the svs pb 3000 too much for a 15 square meter room?
It's not, I have the exact room size and my DD12 feels perfectly
How about PB1000 in a small rental unit apartment? I'm afraid the impact of bigger subs would give me problems with the neighbors.
That's a good choice, though I would still suggest duals, and utilize the Low Frequency Containment (or similar AVR feature) at night.
A single will sound boomier to your neighbors. Long explanation, but that's my experience, and it makes total sense.
Communication and being a good neighbor is usually a good idea.
Use your best judgement, every situation is dynamic. Some neighbors are not people you want to communicate with.
Watch for my upcoming video, you might find it relevant.
I also did an apartment video.
I second Subwoofer101s comment regarding neighbourly communication - I doesn't hurt to let your neighbours know that they're welcome to ask you to turn it down if you ever bother them - it creates goodwill and tolerance ;) I actually did a "sound test" with my neighbour when I lived in an apartment so I knew what level was audible through the walls - it's remarkable low!
Mij room is 4.5 by 5 meters en 2.70 high.
How far do I need to sit from my pb 4000.
You can be right up on it, or across the room.
What's most important is that room correction is performed after any changes, and I would also employ my Distance Hack.
Basically, it's the timing/delay that matters most.
That's determined by room correction, and quantified by the distance setting in the AVR.
If it was just listed as speaker delay, it would make no sense to the average listener, it would be a lot harder to figure out. Far more confusing than using distance to express the delay/timing values.
Grab another PB-4000 if you can.
Because of physics and the standing wave effect of a single subwoofer in an enclosed room, you aren't hearing everything the PB-4000 is producing.
No matter where you sit, you will be missing something, even if your measurements say it's perfect.
It also makes placement much less critical.
Hopefully that helps!
@@Subwoofer101 I'm thinking about getting a second PB 4000
@@Subwoofer101 can I send you a picture of my setup .. you can tell me if you like the placements etc .
You can through my Facebook page. I take a little while to respond though.
@@Subwoofer101 picture is send
Will two sb1000 be more then enough In the rv?
To achieve the depth and volume I'm after, dual PB-1000's would get the job done. No problem. I could definitely get the cops called on me with those. 😆
However, I'm looking for the premium experience.
I really want people to be taken aback. The PB-2000's do that at the lowest price point as far as I can tell. Good hard kick. It's a good sweet spot.
Are the outlet subwoofer like new?
It depends. Some are blemish free, in like new condition, some have well documented blemishes. They're usually priced accordingly.
I went to bed, and by the time I woke up, only 1 ported sub left! No idea what the pricing was like! 😆
Would you say a single subwoofer with multiple opposing drivers would be a good compromise if you can't fit two subs in your room?
Was waiting from long time .. finally you there with great video 😍
Thanks, good to be back! #2020
Another good video! I keep asking myself if my 2380 cuft room is too small for dual PB-2000's and this answered a lot of my questions. Wanted to leave a comment and support.
I agree I have a small room also and I have three subwoofers one of them is the SVS subwoofer in it is incredible
@@happydogg312 Ended up with two HSU VTF3-MK5's. Work very well in my space
Hi, really enjoy your vids (from the UK). Just a quick question please, Audyssey suggests a 75dB sub match at the start but to me that is far too low. Do you set yours to 75dB to run Audyssey and then go in and up the subs after, or do you run them hot from the start? I've tried it many ways but I prefer to ignore the Audyssey suggestion and run mine at 84dB from the start. Just seems to sound much better, but am I wrong doing this?? Thanks in advance.
Great video as usual! How do you avoid things rattling in the RV or even in your HT?
Another surprise for sure!
I picked a diesel platform, because the chassis itself is super strong and solid.
The RV has a Spartan Mountain Master bus chassis, and the frame rails are pretty substantial. Additionally, this particular RV has a full steel cage, not all do.
Traditionally, diesel pushers (as they're called) are built to a higher standard than gasoline counterparts.
I still expected rattles like crazy, but I only found 1!!
Piece of tissue on the offending window screen, problem solved.
I have way more rattles in the house. I chase them down and address them if I can, but the oven rattles in a way I can't seem to fix, but it's not major.
Fixing rattles is basically putting something absorbent between the two surfaces that are making the noise.
Face tissue, cork, yoga mat, or mouse pad, whatever makes sense for the situation.
Subwoofer isolation helps a lot with wood floors for things that are close to the subs, but won't fix a rattle on the other side of the house.
Isolation reduces the physical energy of the box moving, but does not change the sound energy.
Thanks for a great question, I did a video on it too.
New listener can't wait to hit you up with some questions. You had me at hello, when I saw Deadmau5. . . I'm melting! ❤
Been watching your videos for a while now and wanted to get some advice regarding choosing a sub. I had a PB 2000 in the living room and sold it due to WAF as it was in living room taking a bit more space (4m x 3.5m) and so now have 2 x SB 1000s which fit easily. The sb 1000 is not in your list as you have mentioned you prefer the ported subs over sealed ones. I got the sb 1000s just before the pro version came out here in Australia. I wanted to ask you would getting 2 x PB 1000 pro be better than 2x SB 1000s? Thank u
What's the eagles live album you use?
Farewell 1 tour.
Hell Freezes Over is great too, but Farewell 1 has full lossless audio, DTS Master.
You just have to remember that the default audio is 2 channel, and you have to change the audio format (audio button on the Blu Ray player remote) to get full surround.
Hi... I read your message too late... I bought a single PB-3000. May be I can go with dual the next year (I hope), or, who knows...! But, meanwhile, What do you recommend to achieve the best Base possible in my room with a single PB-3000... Should I go with an Room EQ Wizard? I don’t know anything about that... Thank you for your response!!
Well, objectively speaking, if you are looking for a straightforward answer, then in my personal experience with our PB1000 Pro is that the default-10 is a great starting point for getting good bass after having done the Automated Calibration first.
Our AVR-X2700 set -7db sub trim after the Calibration and then I dialed back in the SVS app from-15 for Calibration purposes to now using the default-10.
Balanced and authoritative when it needs to be. Sometimes, depending upon content, I'd push it completely and set -4 or -5 to really get room shaking output.
Acoustically treated theater room having dimensions of 16x12x9 feet.
Hope this helps.
That's a hellacious sale. I got a discount on dual PB-3000s yesterday before the sale but then again I have purchased excessively from SVS and you are mostly to blame since your RUclips site got me into SVS. It's all good and thanks for posting for the bass heads like me and I am an older, late 50's bass head.
I'm glad I contributed to your bass addiction! 😆
It might not be a cheap addiction, but I think it's fair to say that, as addiction goes, it's a pretty healthy one to feed. 😎
You're going to love dual PB-3000's. Awesome explosiveness.
Love your videos and tips! This one totally resonates with me. I have a small room 11x10 a with a 15inch Triad subwoofer. Looking to add a 2nd sub but not sure which one to pair. Would love to get 2 identical ones but should I look for another 15inch sub or a smaller one can also work, budget also being a major constraint.
If you can get a SVS subwoofer that’s the icing on the cake either one it doesn’t matter it can be the entry level or one of the high end ones
Is there a point in going dual sub with ported svs pb and sealed 1000 Pro?
No idea but I've seen 10 different RUclipsrs all say, when they switched to dual subs, OMG!
Nice to see you back, I like your content. Yeah the stuff on the svs page is already like 2/3 less then what it was yesterday, most everything is already gone
I scheduled the video, went to sleep, and when I woke up, one ported sub left. 😄 No idea how quickly they went.
Wouldn't be surprised if it happens within the first 30 minutes. Maybe even 10 minutes at this point.
I'll have to watch the next one.
@@Subwoofer101 no ported when i looked and only 2 elevations but with different finishes. Oh well.
Yeap, those products go fast. It’s best to get something the first day as the products’ prices increase as the sale goes on until it ends. I’ve scored dual PB-2000 Pros, an SB-3000, Ultra Surrounds, Prime Bookshelves and some Satellites. Plus SVS allowed me to upgrade to the Dual PB-3000s from the 2000 Pros using the one year upgrade plan. Hang in there they will have a sale soon and they are worth it and backed by the full warranty.
Please make a review, on the new PB 1000 PRO :-)
Working on it, hopefully live today!
@@Subwoofer101 shall I be sorry, that I just bought dual PB 1000, compared to the new 1000 PROs?
No, not sorry at all. Give SVS a call, email, or chat, and they will get you taken care of, one way or another.
They will do what they can to make sure you're happy with the exchange.
You'll probably have to pay the difference or something, but it WILL be worth the upgrade to the Pro's.
No question about it.
@@Subwoofer101 If you go up tha SVS rank. What is more explosive. The PB 2000 PRO, or the SB 3000?
Kind of tough because you're comparing sealed to ported.
Ported typically has the advantage with home theater, ported subs are also more efficient.
To get the same performance, a sealed subwoofer typically needs more power than a ported.
And all of that said, with the app, you can do all kinds of fun things. It might be a wash.
Thank you sir for the video I really enjoy them all great suggestions on home audio.
Your videos are extremely informative and much appreciated! Do you use the LFE input on the back of the sub or the RCA L/R? Was wondering the benefit of one over the other. Thank you!
Your receiver's subwoofer output is a mono lfe signal. Use the lfe on the sub input.
There’s no
reason for any arguments.. it’s really all about where the low frequency sound energy nodes and anti-nodes reside relative to the listening position in any space. Since all “spaces” are different, the standing wave map is always different. You found an approach that facilitates a solution that works for you. Very simple really.
I'm actually going to buy new subwoofers somewhere next month.
I currently have a dual set of 10" sealed subs, and will be replacing them.
I'm in a bit of a pickle though, I originally wanted dual 12" ported subs, however with a new couch coming along, one of them would be mostly blocked, and the other one isn't in a great spot either.
Moving them around would make since, but the speakers have to be symmetrically placed (wife)...
On the other hand if I get a single 15" (the monolith 15" THX) I'm able to place it in the "ideal" spot, the driver would be facing the main listening positions directly and there would be nothing blocking it.
I'm hoping at some point I can pick up a second one, but judging from my wife....well it's probably never going to happen.
Would it be better still to go with dual here?
It’s always best to go with 2 or more subwoofers in my small room I have three subwoofers integrated with the Denon 4700 it’s incredible but the icing on the cake is the SVS subwoofer it’s just in credible
@@alambe7275 After a lot of research on this topic I decided to go for the single 15"
If you have a huge open room, 2 smaller subs won't cut it, best to get the single biggest sub you can at that point.
Also, just adding a second sub without running it through something like a miniDSP and make sure they are properly setup, a second sub can lower your bass response.
While a proper dual setup is better, it's not when it isn't done properly.
I get the feeling many people online just copy/paste the advice from youtubers without any context.
@@exeonx6561 awesome I bet that 15 inch sub sounds amazing I agree the bigger sub for your room will do just fine and is doing just fine I may add
For me I have three subs in my small game room one of them is the SVS pb 1000 pro and being integrated by the Denon 4700 AV it’s incredible the whole new level of movie watching and gaming
I want 2 pb 2000 Pro in the front room hopefully that will happen soon
Have a blessed day bro
So buy bigger subs and do a bunch of work to make them sound small
Not at all. In fact, my subwoofer gain in a large room and a small room are usually less than 1-2 dB apart.
It's more about dealing with the room itself, which should be done with small or large subwoofers.
Anyone who has heard the motorhome theater setup would not be able to tell you that the subs sound small.
The guys from SVS were surprised by how much bass and explosiveness I was able to get, especially at lower volumes.
It's all about balance and relativity.
@Subwoofer101 have dual pb 4000 subs in my theater room ans 1 pb 2000 in my shed. Pulled thr trigger on a second pb 2000 in the shed for more spl.
too much speaker toe in
I agree with everything you said 100%
Thank you!!
It's funny to think about these "rules of thumb". Everyone knows a Ferrari can drive 25mph, but somehow we think that a sub with a large driver can't be regulated. (Large driver = low frequency, not necessarily high volume.) I built my self a knock-off Genelec 8381A...2 independent subwoofers in each tower speaker! It sounds excellent!
I have one of these, www.dspeaker.com/en/products/anti-mode-8033.shtml and a pair of PB 1000, in a medium room. LOVING IT! The PB 2000 Pro, is getting too big for me:-( Will the SB 3000 hit significantly harder, than PB 1000?
My SB-3000s hit harder than my PB-1000s (sold) did but my PB-1000s felt deeper.
I just got the PB-3000s (en route) to replace my PB-2000 Pros in my basement, so I am going the opposite direction. However, I do use dual SB-3000s in my bedroom and they thump. I also use dual Hsu ULS-15 MK2 in my family room and they go lower than my SB-3000s but doesn't hit as hard.
Oh, but the PB-2000 Pro's are sooo good. Definitely more impact!
I'm not 100% on the SB-3000, I have a problem with sealed subs, they cause uncomfortable pressure in my ears.
Typically, ported also have a deeper sound, within the SVS line.
You can alter that with the app, but I don't know if it will give the impact you want.
It's possible to break even, which seems insane to say.
Sealed require more power for the same output. So you need about double the power, roughly speaking.
I wish I could give you a more definite answer, but the app and voice coil of the 3000 changes things a bit.
I know the PB-2000 Pro's are epic. If those are not possible due to the size, look for my next video.
Reggie, try bumping your SB-3000's using the PEQ function of the app.
29 hertz, 2.5 Q, 2 to 5 boost value.
Hopefully it might make it sound more like ported.
Let me know, if you can.
@@Subwoofer101 will try this today.
Whatever happened to your reviews? Are you still around on RUclips?
Or just never listen to a decent system and be happy with even the cheapest setup like me. I have only a basic 7.2 not even Dolby atmos, single 10 inch sony sub 115t watt, massive room open concept. I've had. To glue my surround speaker together a few times and the dog chewed my second sub, but I never noticed a difference without it because I just cranked up the sub till it starts to shake the room in a movie. Even if you just have a sound bar and 2 used speakers you found on Facebook market place, you will be happy if you don't know the differences. Unfortunately for me, my in laws just went all out and dialed it all in with a pro, now I go home and my system sucks. So the lesson is stay away from peoples house with high end set up.. Or, I guess just hang out there and watch movies! That's what I am doing haha
Same here. I have a big room but can’t nicely fit two large subs in it so I have a smaller dual sub. Sounds good to me but probably shitty to someone with “subjectively” higher quality hearing.
I wish you would review some rythmik subs.
There are other reviewers that have already done that so you may wanna check the RUclips search field for those reviews
After watching you videos I kinda feel bad for buying an SVS PB 2000 instead a Monolith 12 THX
Why??? Im generally curious cuz im looking at the mono now.
Try a dedicated Center Channel Sub. It's simply Awesome
My room is 1200 cubic foot then..
I've learned a lot from you , thanks . i have a song for you that will tickle those subs , its by Paul Brown called Dear Ndugu . Don't let the name throw you
You will have a better life with a subwoofer. It can cost 99 to 4000 bucks. But it will make your life better craving more. Basstherapy
Absolutely. People underestimate the benefits. Dual, matched, ported deep bass subwoofers really change everything.
Great review new sub!
Drive out to that what's it call desert area-51 desert not on ALIEN-51 grounds but you know. Then set up the speakers outdoors with the Oled and listen to a movie and do some frequency sweeps cos it won't have the boundary effect of the walls and ceiling. Oh and play ALIENS theatrical in six-track DOLBY STEREO on bluray should sound great well depends how you set it up in an open Area ALIEN-51 desert.
everytime i try going on a diet and gaining insight on healthy sub's i end up changing my sub's in my home theater position
Hello
you can break up standing waves by angling the subwoofers so that the wave does not return directly to the speaker. In fact, your set up is the worst for standing waves.
Sorry to disagree.
If you angle or move your subwoofer, you are not "breaking" a standing wave, you're just "shifting it".
One frequency peak may go down, but another will rise in its place.
Constructive interference is how you handle a standing wave, which requires dual subs, ideally identical.
And having dual subs up front like that?
That makes the Distance Hack, which is basically a slight timing shift in a particular direction, makes the sub placement pretty optimal.
Conventional wisdom isn't always right, and I've definitely found that to be true in this hobby.
I found so many optimizations by making the assumption that conventional wisdom might be wrong.
The Speaker Level Hack is a perfect example.
Conventional wisdom tells you that all speakers should produce the same SPL as measured on a meter.
In reality, if you do that, and there is a disparity and distance between your speakers, the one that's further away is going to sound quieter, and the one that's closer is going to sound louder, even though they measure at the same SPL.
The only way to fix it, is to do it by ear, and abandon conventional wisdom in that particular situation.
Fit the biggest drivers you can never go small... running 3 SPL12s in a small room sounds sick 😷 🤷♂️
Total drivel “explosiveness”? Hi-Fi is very well defined. Please detail the % of explosiveness for a 10” over a 12” sub ....go! Then show how you measured this parameter.
P.s. boundary gain ... speaker boundary interference effect sbie
“Running more gain” 🤦♂️
You have no idea what you are talking about.
The descriptors of objective Hi-Fi (acoustics) are well defined...the subjective experience that results in what we "hear" (psychoacoustics) is not. "Explosiveness" is a pretty common *subjective* description for HT subwoofer reviews when trying to describe the actual impact most of us are looking for - this explosiveness isn't reflected in frequency response curves, max burst spl, etc. Also, from my limited experience, I am pretty sure boundary gain and interference effects are real (and probably measurable). Finally, "running more gain" just means turning the gain up on your sub beyond your calibrated level during set-up, or maybe turning the sub line level up on the AVR.
If you're looking for frequency response curves and standardized, repeatable testing metrics check out Audioholics - they do great tests. If you're looking to understand how to have the best subwoofer experience, this channel is great.
NathanOakley1980 - what kind of subs are you running right now? (I'm really curious - I have a PB-3000, and am about to order a second!)
@@milo26782 Bro, forget it... This guy is a flat Earther... This says enough
Your theatre room is setup wrong. Thanks for the advice but no thanks. Cheers 🍻
😂🤣
Just "wrong"?
No way.
Yours is wrong.
All wrong. 😅
But seriously, everyone has an opinion.
Eyes closed, listening only to the sound, I think you'd find a lot more "right" than you might imagine.
Conventional wisdom, that's what is often "wrong".
Thinking outside the box has value for a reason.
Doctors no longer recommend cigarettes.
That was conventional wisdom at the time, but we definitely know better now, don't we?
Fear of change and novel information can really hold a person back.
If you want to expand on what you think is wrong, feel free, and we can have a real discussion.
Otherwise, thank you for the chuckle! Cheers!
The point thing I know for sure from people who have better systems Than I do, is a bit of room behind the speakers and subs. Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with your setup if you enjoy it!
@@SirLucidThoughts Cheers 🍻