The Mercedes C63 AMG Experiment - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Mercedes 480bhp C63 AMG coupe, with optional power upgrade, already has more than enough power to trouble its rear tyres. What happens when you remove some of that grip? Good things, that's what.
The most important here is the final conclusion - it is not how good and precise the car is on the track - it is how big is the smile it gives you when you go to the grocery store.
+benzfen HAHAHA best comment I have ever read!
Gary Gorton Tell us what kind of beast you are driving for that smile :)
C63 AMG Coupe :D
yes exactly, and you don´t need drive mad for make some drifts... now is more easy and fun
it's still illegal in most countries though, so you gotta be careful not to get caught doing it.
Dear Chris Harris. Thank you for answering one of my lifelong questions.... driving a high performance car on space savers. I can die now
Paul Lincoln Goodbye, Paul. You'll be missed.
Eightosaurus Spelunk he died after putting an m6 gran coupe on bicycle tires
Right!
I put space savers on my 944 in the snow, didn't get stuck
I'm back 1 year later for a rewatch and now so are you lot.
This video perfectly sums up why the Toyota GT86 and its Prius tyres are so much fun.
Toyota GT86 on space savers... Dear god, I think I'm onto something.
yeah its still underpowered, most drifts are clutch cick initiated or ebrake, it cant just power on and overwhelm the tires like you would want it too.
My cousin bought one, I bought a mustang and modified it, they are very different when it comes to drifts
ndinadis then your cousin doesn't know how to drift. The GT86 can easily maintain a drift all the way through a corner. But you have to floor it all the way and not start off slow in the corner. I tried it last year, a very nice car to drive. Obviously it doesn't have a lot of straight line speed, but who needs that on public roads anyway?
+ndinadis
you have got a point, the drifts in the mx5/brz aren't 'power-initiated'
it would be nice if they had slightly more power, at least 250bhp.
I drove his, it had headers and full exhaust, Im assuming intake and tuning, It prob made ok power but the lack of torque was disappointing for me in a "sports car" the stock prius tires I think made it easy to slide around.
and now use a koenigsegg with spacesafers
That would be flipping over, blowing, up death. If they basically give the Merc 1200 hp and it's that crazy, how crazy over 3000 would be
Abuzer Komurcu savers*
You may as well book a funeral for that one
It turned into a BRZ
A BRZ on steroids haha!
plateofshrimp a BRZ with 1200 hp!
Fluterra 480
Unco Casey
A stock brz has 215s and thats over double the size of these donuts so if you keep the power in line with the tires hes almost there actually
plateofshrimp and
RWD might be fun, but a FWD would be cancer on space savers lol
Man from Nantucket fwd is cancer in all situations
Actually it makes a burnout machine lol my buddies saturn was on em in the front and it spun for days. Never really went anywhere fast though lol
@@h2oaddict28 not in grocery getter situation
The thought of all that understeer ....
everyone thinks you can’t drift in a fwd all you have to do is keep the handbrake locked and keep it floored
Those tires are the epitome of "Never skip leg day"
Beach boys don't hammer wheels!
I guess this is why car testers always bang on about how much fun the Mazda MX5 is, even though it hasn't really got any power. You can drive it to its limits at legal road speeds. Even hot hatches these days have 255 section tyres and over 300bhp.... its all getting a bit silly and pointless if you ask me.
+soundseeker63 Unless you're Chris Harris who hates the Miata which makes this video rather amusing.
+soundseeker63 The lack of power can be easily remedied with a bolt on turbo kit. You can make up to about 275whp on an NA 1.6 with one safely on E85.
@@bagelbytes69420 super stupid, do you feel super stupid?
@@jesdadotcom that was the old miata, he loves the new miata nd, he said it on a episode of top gear when doing a quick review.
I can almost hear the Eurobeat
Anas Takiyudin N-NANI?!
DE JAVU
*initial d intensifies*
Small tires challenge
Chris Harris looks like Mr Bean....
Dnver gr8 Chris Harris looks like a top knob
lmao looks like a guy running in heels
"fun is better than speed"
Always
In other words, Miata is always the answer
@@slowestamg too slow to have any fun OR speed in
@@Werk4Cash You haven’t owned and built one, have you 😉 265whp goes a LOOOOOONG way in an NA Miata (
@@slowestamg you’ve gotta pretty good point there. My bad bro I’ve drove a bone stock Miata with a half cut header and wasn’t impressed but now that I’m thinkin about it Miata with some mods sounds pretty fun
So I should drift instead of going a bit too fast on public roads now? 6:43
3:33 - 3:49 How is a 125 tire 1/3 of the width of a 255 tire? It's obviously 1/2 (0.4902, if we're nitpicking). Your photographer Neal should've tried to finish his 5th grade, methinks...
+João Soares ITS *NEIL GODDAMMIT!!!!!
+Haseeb Chowdhury Both spellings are correct; I don't know who the man is, so I went with Neal. It's irrelevant... What's not irrelevant is Neal's lack of mathematical skills.
bruh chill I was kidding ya know?
do you not get sarcasm?
+João Soares To be fair, the section width is measured from widest part of the tire and unlike the standard 255 which has a flat sidewall, the 125 has a rounded side wall so the tread is actually narrower than 125mm. It probably is close to about 1/3 the amount of surface area of the stock tires even though his math was way off.
Chris Harris is a legend. He's definitely one of the best and most entertaining Automotive Journalists ever. I hope he gets the recognition he deserves. He captivates many thousands through his written reviews and videos. He shouldn't be struggling to afford a GT3RS 4.0, it should be pocket change for someone in their industry of his calibre.
Everyone should learn to drive with big power on skinny rubber.
It would make them better drivers.
Kneedragon1962 having so much confidence is bad and will risk a accident by a fuck ton if i were you do someting about it cause its the most dangerous thing you can have if you dont have the skill to back it up. my cousin has the same problem he thinks hes the best driver he already had a accident
Kneedragon1962 Im pretty sure everyone can fly an aircraft with training.
That's not quite true. In principle, everyone could learn to walk a small tightrope with training, or sing a song (competently) in front of an audience. In practice, some people are just not cut out for that.
Fading Light Not really, flying an aircraft is very complicated
Quentin Freeman Complicated... Depends. Yes, there's some complexity in operating an aircraft, but there's some complexity in driving through London or New York or Sydney too. There's some complexity in operating a motorbike. I rode them for 40 years and I still have an R6 race bike. Complexity is part of the problem, time constraints is another, task management and prioritisation is another. Being able to ignore you instincts and trust your instruments, is a huge one. Being able to correctly read and interpret those instruments, under pressure, is another. Aircraft can be hard, but you have generally got a few moments to think. A car or motorbike near the limit of performance & control, it has to be reflex. It does everything too quickly for you to think about, it has to be like standing on one leg - you have to just KNOW what to do. There can be situations like that in aircraft too, but you don't often get into them.
Gonna love the C63 AMG. Just the engine and the sound makes it all worthwhile.
"On the street, fun is better than speed."... well time to go drift corners and do donuts in intersections
Hopefully, I won't be cutting you out of your vehicle when you wrap it around a tree.
If you want drift, with a bit tyres, you need speed and more power, with narrow tyres is just at less speed with less power.
That's one of the reasons why GT86 is so fun stock- it is sold on the same tires as Prius.
TheLaXandro it isn't though.
Ben Fillman what isn't? It isn't fun? Or it didn't have Prius tires?
Jakob Kerr it isn't sold on Prius tires. Similar, sure. They say that I think because the wheels can fit on a Prius probably.
RandomUser M it's also lighter than both of those. It's not a boring car by any means.
TheLaXandro every one in the comment section has seen too gear.
I can't believe I only just found this vid, it's instantly one of my favorites. I've spent most of my hooning life extolling the virtues of cheap skinny tires to friends. And it's been a very unpopular theory. But there is simply no better way to make a car "feel" like it has more power. And it's even safer because its way easier to gather things up at the lower speed where your tires let go. Really great tires still let go, just at much higher speeds.
Merv
same here, ended up mounting 145 section, very old snow tires on my friend's E30 to prove my point, and it worked greatly!
Merv
same here, ended up mounting 145 section, very old snow tires on my friend's E30 to prove my point, and it worked greatly!
This video is a testament of how good of a driver Chris is. One example is how smoothly he was at making those steering adjustments. This guy is the only reason I watch Drive channel.
low grip drifting is a lot easier than high grip drifting, there is less snap and it's more progressive.
Hilarious hearing them called "space savers". To me, a space saver is probably like a cabinet. Who else here calls them donuts?
"donuts" ?! never heard that before. we call them spare tyres.
yeah i call them donuts as well
StalePhish I call em pizza cutters
They are called space savers because they save space in the trunk
Galatzó Disc Jockeys
OMG, I always wanted to see this. Any high performance car on all spare tires.
Edward Rex I was just thinking the same thing the other day and finally looked it up. good choice
Edward Rex but I wanna see someone just completely wreck it
c63 with donut = king of initial d.
cops will have one hell of a field day seeing someone using space savers on all 4 wheels.
I don't think they'd know what to do... I doubt there is anything about this in their field manual, lol
Basel Kader dangerous driving, driving uninsured, driving a vehicle unfit for the road
@@bananamontana3956 all not correct
@@essayedgar surmising
They'd be ideal for running some proper rally spec ice tyres.
The reason the GT86/BRZ is touted as such a fun car. The most fun car I ever had was a little peugeot 106 rallye. 1.3litre 8v engine with just over 100bhp and 175tyres, 900kg, no power steering, no safety features. Steering on the throttle, yes, drifting on four wheels, yup. 0-60 took a staggering 9.2 seconds, and you had to work the thing to go anywhere fast, the power band came in at 5000 up to the 7200rpm redline. But what a fun car.
Andrew Goodman FWD OR RWD?
the old adage, driving a slow car fast is more fun than driving a fast car slow
I agree 100%. I had more fun sliding my old 77 Golf than a modern sports car. You can be slow and have a blast. We also did the 4 space saver trick when we were horsing around in the shop. Laughed so hard I was in tears. Let’s all go analog!
The C63 on stock 225 winter tyres is just the perfect recipe for everyday fun. You can go sideways nearly everywhere- dry, wet or snow. It needs a settled character to live with..
"On the street, fun is more important than speed." Couldn't have said it better myself. Well done Monkey!
Skills, made it look like the car was skating on ice
I wanna see a Hellcat on spacesavers 😂
I love Chris's enthusiasm. This experiment kind of supports my idea that the Toyota 86 is over tyred for the road.
What was the wear like on the 125 tyres? I've seen road tests that say the C63 can shred its full sized tyres in a few sideways track laps.
this is why the BRZ is so awesome.
Not really,Not enough Power
SYEDOMAR North Power to rubber ratio is good enough
125 is about half of 255. Not 1/3.
yes but the contact patch is about 1/3
I'd say it's really really close to exact half as much
+Po Russki Depends, I had a pair of 245s as wide as my 275s. More of a reference than an exact measurement (In the US at least)
+rawr2400 No, it isn´t.
+Joao Soares Yes, it is 90cm^2 and 250cm^2 calculated roughly.
This is why old Miatas are so much fun.
And now we've come full circle.
+JesdaG Chris doesn't like those.....
+Radim Přibyl nobody likes those lol
crackuhjack123
barbies and hairdressers likes those...
I... I like those... I own one =/
エックザック I need new haircut, can you help?
Load does increase traction to a certain point but after that it only takes away. The wings are used for higher speeds where tires start to lift off the road. The downforce is used to keep the vehicle planted on the ground and handle better more than have less wheel spin at the start. Wings will actually decrease a vehicle's top speed (due to drag) but increase stability at speed. Handling does rely on more factors than just tire grip, however, the weight affects every one of those factors.
Chris, you've really made me rekindle my love of driving. Thank you for your video's.
Am I the only one that noticed that they changed SO MANY variables? The wide tires, they left traction control and auto shifting on, with the donuts they turned off traction control and manually shifted.. Although it looks much cooler this way, it throws out the equality of comparison. I'd much rather see the comparison with the tires being the ONLY changed variable. That ruins this entire video for me, tbh.
Zack Rogers this clearly wasn't for comparison
Zack Rogers,I was wandering how good the nanny systems would hold it.
You're not the only one, but it doesn't take away much from the demonstration. Look elsewhere in RUclips for standard C63's drifting around a track.
Just remember the show is for entertainment purposes only. They don't have to be scientific, they don't have to be thorough, they can lie about anything in the show. The only purpose of the show is for them to entertain you enough that you sit through an ad.
Thats cool and all. But why not both? Simply follow up the silliness with the facts and everyone is happy. I think they missed an oportunity to educate here.
vim pelo petrolhead
I've done this on my Miata, using 10 year old space savers. Even with the Miata's anemic 135 HP, I was doing quarter throttle third gear drifting. It's a load of fun!
This is why the Toyota 86 is on Prius tyres.
Why RUclips are recomending this again after those years?
I watched it again anyways...
Car on heels is what it's called.. :)
Mzaphod Bibl triggered
This was the video that got me hooked on every single video to come from Chris Harris. He is, hands down, one of the most pleasant and informative automobile reviewers to date.
Looks like he's driving on a footpath through a park lol
his last sentence
Chris, is that the same jumper you had in the old Focus RS video from 2008?! :D
So they are just lowkey telling us all to drift/hoon to work.
I like it
this is how much traction all mustangs come stock with
Eight years of waiting, perfect timing RUclips.
that rims, winter tires and snowy mountain road :D Chris?
Jakub Lesiak I think that will be close to impossible to drive but nevertheless give me an c63 amg and I will try :D
This is why I love driving on slippery winter roads with studded tires. Grip may be low, but traction is consistent and weight transfer effects are negligible. The car constantly moves around beneath me in a predictable manner. Effortless at-the-limit driving (when not held up by slow traffic) at legal or near-legal speeds.
What if you put those tires on a Viper??
lol good luck even moving
Abraham Barajas *hellcat
Avspgod *demon
Austin Fleck* civic
Had to come back here to remind myself what a proper AMG sounds like.
ersatzreifenfelgen sehen besser aus als meine sommerfelgen 😅😧🙈
i LOLLED when i saw the thing on those wheels!
have no power in your drift car? there you go space savers.
explains the fun of the toyota 86 - which runs on prius tires.
Actually, if you reduce the width of the tire you don't reduce the grip at anything like the same rate. The more narrow the tire, the more lbs per square inch. The higher the weight per sq inch, the more grip per sq inch. There are other factors too, but a wider tire doesn't add grip through simple increase in contact patch.
"Never skip leg day"
This video inspired our autocross club to play King of the Mountain during fun runs with a 1.6L Miata on Miata spare tires. That was a hoot
Really the conclusión in this video is 90% wrong, because the compund of the tires is very diferent between stock tire (continental sport contact 5) and the little skinny.
Try high performance semislick motorbike tire, and you will see results very near to the stock big tires.
Add the factor that the skinnys can be crystallized for long time without use.
Grip is 90% load + compund, theoretically 100%, but in extreme load the size can affect a little, but ONLY A LITTLE.
People who think: "more contact area = more grip" is usually wrong.
+1 contact area = +1 load = same grip, like i said only theorically, the proportion is like +1 load area = around +0,9 grip.
Anyway, very fun video!
He's got a point. It's way more fun to drive a small, slow, slippery car at 100% than a fast car at 20%
Wrong torque figure? It's more than that....
I've said as much for years because it's just logical; to enjoy the chassis dynamics themselves, you either increase power or decrease grip. It's why everyone worldwide has so much fun playing in the snow with their cars. With less overall grip you can slide anything at will. The obvious downside is that less grip also means less safety at a given speed for any emergency.
255/2 = 127.5 how is a 125 a third of the width of a 255, that is the dumbest thing ive seen, its 2.5 millimeters away from being exactly half the width.
and this is why the gt86/frs/brz is a very fun car. not too much power, a great layout, narrow rear tires. anyone can have fun in that car.
This is what happens when you skip leg day
@DaveDude571
No, it's the fact that the car is still controllable, even with those spare tires/lack of traction. That's why he says it's the best handling car in the world. Perhaps, it's just the fact that he's a great driver and makes it look effortless.
awesome, I have been wanting to do something similar for years
same here. But a rally car with plenty wide roads
Exactly the trick they use on the GT86. Smaller section tyres equals less grip and more fun.
BEST CAR EVER C63 AMG.
Jony De la cruz lmao
no
width might be half and yes spacer savers have much less grip, but what do you mean that area contacting ground is much smaller than half of the 255? space savers has much less grooves and tires width doesn't change contact areas "length". Wheel is wheel, no matter how wide it is, but because rubber is soft so basically car weight puts more pressure on tire with smaller contact area and it should press down more, creating more contact area length. Yes they compensate that with high air pressures
this could win the Formula D
Munther AL-sulaimi itd be illegal
Medo Gabr why?
After first seeing this video years ago, I finally got around to trying it with my own track car - only an MR2, nothing with the power of the AMG, but still was a lot of fun and lots to learn! (on a private track, obviously) - Thank you, Chris, for this amazing idea of 4 space savers !
125 is almost half of 255, not a third. #geeklife
Contact path 90cm^2 and 250cm^2. #geeklife
Width of the tire might be half, but the area with which it sits on the ground is much smaller, and space savers have nowhere near as much grip as the normal road tire, so 1/3 of grip is quite accurate.
Is Chris Harris a driver or what!
@BooglesMcGee Yes, you are absolutely right about the experiment not being adequate to compare the results between regular tires and the spares, but I don't see it as important really. It's clear that you have less traction with skinny tires and the car will oversteer a lot more, hence be more fun. Or as James May would put it, the cars limits will be reached earlier. The important bit in this test is that the car IS actually driveable on these tires.
whos watching this 2018?
2019 ftw!
i have a mk7 gti with performance pack currently on driver side space saver (125) and i will have to agree with Chris, for some reason the handling is just sooo much better!? Despite the GTI having sport mode but running on the space saver i noticed a huge difference in the way the car eats up a bend or corner and overall just so more responsive and have such a better feel for the road!! haha
That math is horribly wrong haha good video though
Correct, this car in the wet would have performed the same with the normal tires fitted and traction control off. It would have made a huge difference in the dry though. Maybe they planned the test for dry weather conditions but their "track" reservations fell on a rainy one?
Most disappointing is that we were not shown the tires after this thrashing!
My car has 145/80R13 tire
neka
Mladen Milić I have 215/55R8 :(
I might get some space savers.
Mladen Milić 165/75R13 😅
Even my 77hp Fiat Grande Punto has 195s
MrsMcMuffin Isn't a 195 overkill for a 80hp car...I mean like what will you do with all of that ? Can you atleast spin the tires ? And if you tell me it's on a 16" wheel then I'm done 😂
Last five words are the whole meaning!!! "Fun Is Better Than Speed"!!! Well, Chris should try to Drift and I mean normal drift with drift car. That would be awesome!!!
hes a Great driver tho
Can anyone agree with me that those AMG Steele's, Space saver's or Donuts are a nice design! 🤣🤣🤣
960 hp not 1200
The theory is in terms of weight per square inch making a difference, but in actuallity it wouldn't work like that Re: grip levels.
You'd overload the smaller tyre at a far lower speeds than the wider tyre.
More weight on a tyre will give it more grip, but only up to a certain point. Beyond that point the tyre becomes over loaded and loses grip.
increase mpg lol
Another thing that makes a huge difference is having a squared tire setup. These days Rwd cars tend to come with staggered wheels and tires, to be perfectly honest a good square set up is way more balanced.
You are fooled here! Fr = μN ! Which means, the friction force is independent from the size of the tires (in the theory:A) ! If you are more like a practical person, just imagine: would it be easier to pull a brick, just because it is in a upright position?
Gabe, Varga Umm yes it is, its easier.
Gabe, Varga And in the formula, the fatter the tyre the bigger is the value of co efficient of friction
I remember an episode of Top Gear where James May was saying it was more fun to drive all out in a 2cyl Fiat Panda vs a supercar going 1/20 of it's limits. I agree with that actually. This and the GT86 proves my point even further; a conventional car being pushed to the limit is great fun; and it won't get you on the wrong side of the law as easily.
In case of speculators, yes: The GT86 runs on the same rubber size as the Prius that was being sold right beside it.
quem veio pelo cabeça de petróleo?
He explains everything I want in a fun car to drive in a racetrack. I don't want bigger tires, give me a set of spare-save, full tank and some RWD car. No need a C63 AMG (its expensive for this), some classic car will provide all fun I need too
I feel dumber after watching this
Well you are a Honda
Shout out to Chris Harris. Has become the big face of motorsport entertainment
I love that statement about how modern super cars are more aimed at pure lap times and are comprising the fun factor. Also how they don't make the driver work!
1:10 Formula drift cars: _Am I A Joke To You?_
Ok, that looks like a blast. Gonna hit up the wrecking yard for four spares for my 9-3 Aero now and flog it on the local track.
Had to change a tire this morning. I wondered if anyone made a video of a high performance car driving on all space savers. Found this video. Joy.