@@Sanctus_xl Not just can they not even see them, they cant hurt them either, or even completely kill them. Because you need cursed energy to exercise curses. Basically meaning the Curse would just get right back up most likely and then what do they do from that point on?
@@arcticflames6932you do realize most humans have curse energy and if they are In the JJK verse that means they have curse engery otherwise they can’t see the curse spirit or curse technique therefore they are doom anyway
@@briefcasegaming4460 a nichirin katana is made with the strongest metal in the demon slayer verse now idrk if his drills go through nichirin but im pretty sure they dont
I don’t ever hear people talk about how reaction speed and actual speed are much different, like you can react to a baseball coming at you at 60mph, but that sure as hell doesn’t mean I can run that fast! 😂
no ops logic is fucking wrong though because the characters he uses aka Hakari don't just react to lightning, they also move out of the way, you don't calculate the speed and or scale the speed of something based off of if it hits you or not its the distance you relative to distance the attack moved within a timeframe thats why a character can be faster than an attack while still being hit by it, no op is retarded at powerscaling
Fighting speed reaction speed and travel speed are all different scalings. They either don't mention it because they don't know or they don't mention it because they expect you to know if you're watching a scaling/versus video bro
@@AA-tz2bmliterally any domain (minus dagons and hanamis, the latter because we literally don't know what it is, and the former assuming he somehow figures out how it works before getting turned to mince meat by the invisible shikigami) would kill the man, especially shit like infinite void or malevolent shrine
@@goobeeeer We know enough about Hanami's domain that I would say it could win, we know it's called Shining Sea Of Growing Branches, and we know that its sure hit is that beam from Hanami's arm, which Hanami thought would be able to beat Yuji and Todo's Jumpjutsu Kaisen, I feel like it would have the AP to just like shoot him to death
Now that i think about it, could those chimera ant siblings with the dart gimmick bypass Infinity? Not necessarily beat Gojo but at least land a hit on him
the only reason they even lost itss because of there durability like said they should have won ngl speed is the most important stat and speed should have carried them if there were mach 5 DAGON SHOULDNT EVEN BE ABLETO SEE THEM
I mean, maybe if she just like doesn't use any CE at all and just stands there, and we take somebody with a real good punch for the average joe, it might knock her out, but in any reasonable scenario the average joe is just getting a nail in their skull
Funny enough having shinobu fight the disease curse is the worst matchup for her. Shinobu accounts how she’s pretty weak physically compared to other slayers like said in the video, but Mei Mei was only able to escape the boulder because of her physical strength, even then she doesn’t think she can break through 5 before the disease kills her. Basically shinobu vs small pox deity is such a dirty matchup for her that you hate to see it😭🙏🏿
The sleep demon could probably use his sleep ability hacks to take down Mahito, and then have people go in and crush his ego and make him lose his will to fight. But for characters like Megumi with Mahoraga, or Sukuna / Fake Geto, I agree that just their existence makes winning impossible for a lot of verses, because their hacks and general abilities would be hard to overcome.
@@IsaiahStickman no he wouldn't be knocked unconscious he would run out of cursed energy and be unable to use his cursed technique and thus be able to take physical regular damage, using his CT does take CE so he would eventually go down
Tanjrio miraculously survives his fight with jogo. Than proceeds to get into a fight with Mahito who’s hax are INSANE. Need i remind you that he could just LAUNCH his hand at tanjiro to catch him off guard than turn him into a fucking popsicle?
ive seen far too many people saying that anyone transported into the jjk verse would have no cursed energy and would essentially be like toji. NO, heavenly restrictions are the exception, not the rule. in the jjk verse your average human with no abilities whatsoever *still* has cursed energy its just the fact that they cant use it.
There's actually a more important detail to factor in as well: heavenly restrictions are something one is born with and are not inherently tied to the concept of not having cursed energy, as Mechamaru proves. In other words, just because someone doesn't have CE doesn't mean they automatically get Toji's / Maki's HR, in the same way someone isn't going to automatically get Idle Death Gamble just because their DE is non-lethal. It's simply not how this power system works at all.
Actually, you could argue that wisteria poison could affect curses. In japanese folk lore wisteria is said to repel evil spirits. That's why it's so effective against demons evil though in normal people it will usually only cause a bad weekend.
The speed scaling for JJK only gets worse when we consider Kenjaku’s clarification on Piercing Blood when fighting Choso. He explains that Piercing Blood ONLY exceeds the speed of sound at the moment it’s compressed and released, meaning, given travel time, it could slow down greatly before hitting its required target. This only means that Choso’s piercing blood against Yuji either pierced his brother at just Mach speed, or a bit under even that.
@@gamercentral2417 I don’t believe Kashimo’s CE property is at that exact speed, but it’s surely fast. It also has a sure hit, so even if it was somewhat slow, it’d be troublesome to avoid anyway.
@@gamercentral2417 hakari reacting to lightning isn't a real speed feat since he's never shown to dodge it. The bolt he took to the head is more of a healing feat since he started healing the moment it hit him. If he would have dodged or blocked it then that would be a different story.
So this turns into every fight basically being like Jay Garrick Flash vs Aquaman. Speedsters that can't take too many hits and don't hit so hard vs tanks that can eat a ton of hits and deal big damage themselves
Yeah, bc he forgot about Demon Slayers swords being made of almost purely positive energy. Meaning they'd exorcize cursed spirits on contact, durability be damned... Even Sukuna noted that had he not been in Yuji's body, merely blocking Mahoraga's sword would've ended him due to that rule.
Great comparaison but DS are also very lethal when it comes to cutting power. For example, At the near end of Season 1 Tanjiro fought Rui a lower moon who had a neck tougher than steel and his strings at full strength being even tougher than that and Tanjiro being able to cut the strings but Giyuu easily cut off his neck and strings like it was nothing. And the power creep just goes up and up throughout the show. And that was just a Lower Moon now imagine the strongest Upper Moons and Muzan who are like hundreds of time stronger than LM and at the end of the show, most Hashira are able to cut off their limbs... So yeah DS are very lethal and rely more on Attack Potency than Destructive Capacity so they would have no problem at all dealing damage to JJK Socerers.
@@jm17991 you also got people like Yuji, who before he even had cursed energy, was throwing steels balls like they were made out of feathers, and people like Hakari who destroys buildings with his hands alone
@@IsaiahStickman These JJK meat riders bro 😭 any one faster than zenitsu is clapping them Zenitsu blitzed the new upper 6 who should have equal reaction speed to mitsuri who could react and dodge lightning. This means zenitsu must have moved much faster than lightning to blitzes. Zenitsu is like half the speed of someone like sanemi as he was able to keep up with upper 1 who made the new upper 6 shit bricks. Now upper 1 is weaker than full power muzan who got cooked by that one sun breathing guy. Maki who is one of the fastest in the verse can barley move at mach 3 if you stretch. 1. Impossible to see as they move to fast 2. Are impossible to hit 3. See them as a snail 4. Have at least town AP so they would be taking 1000 town level attacks in second. Now tell me how they will be able to survive this with much lower stamina.
23:29 the absolute nobara disrespect is wild cause for one haruta DIDNT give nobara a concussion his sword did which caught her off guard and he never caved in any ceiling or roof that was nobaras hair pin lmao
just want to say that tanjiro is in NO WAY close to comparable to Yorichi. Yorichi was a once in a millennia talent that hasnt been close to matched since he was alive. Tanjiro even admits as much, saying he isnt gifted or as strong as Yorichi or even his father. One other thing, the demon slayer mark is supposed to kill everybody who gains it by the age of 25with no exceptions... except for Yorichi
But why the heck would Kenjaku waste a powerful artifact such as the prison realm to seal some weak-ass dude? The whole point of sealing Gojo was because there was no other way to get him out of the picture due to how OP he was...
@@marcioamaral7511 Gotta remember that if all Upper Moons are in play, they are taking every JJK fighter to the infinity castle. Nakime directly controls the Infinity Castle through Muzan’s orders. It was only after Nakime is killed that Muzan retreats from the castle as he can no longer control it. That already takes away the demon’s only glaring weakness, which is the sun. No JJK character, not even Sukuna, would have the capacity to kill them after that point. Muzan would quickly catch on to the strength of the JJK fighters, and would just have Nakime bury herself as far away as possible from the fight while controlling her, and therefore the castle. At no point could anyone even come close to taking the castle out of the equation as there is no CE to pick up on, and Muzan would just move Nakime the instant anyone came close. The video already determined that every character besides a select few can keep up with, let alone outclass DS speeds. The Upper Moons will just get their asses kicked over and over, or more likely just keep dodging and wearing everyone out until everyone burns out their CT, DE, and RCT and then boom. Game over. Edit: Hell, they could even just drop them all into the Infinity Castle and leave them trapped in there. With the Akaza, Douma, and Kokushibo
@@Grymx What a convenient scenario LMAO I think you're forgetting how much more versatile cursed energy is The infinity castle is not a problem...the sorcerers don't even have to kill the demons
@@marcioamaral7511 Saying it’s convenient and claiming that cursed energy is “super versatile” without adding any context or input to the conversation is not a valid argument LMAO. Yes it’s convenient, doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s valid. Prove to me how in any scenario CE itself helps deal with the infinity castle. Also if we wanna bring up how CE plays a part in the battle, then DE’s are realistically completely off the table since Slayers and Demons alike don’t have CE, nor any equivalent. Their power system is literally just breathing in a specific way. That takes away JJKs trump card completely.
Yeah. Wisteria poison is specifically stated to only work on demons. Sun Breathing stuns demon regen because it's the closest thing to the actual sun. It ain't that hard buddy, lmao
@@diogod2347 my point was that while some touches can be made to make match ups possible and some crazy scenarios are fine, something rather imho trivial is not.
How is Mahito still alive if Kenjaku already started the culling Game? Also im pretty sure Toji would go after Jogo, Not Gyomei, but overall it is still a pretty fun scenario I personally think it would have made more sense if Toji and Jogo eliminate each other, Kenjaku uses Mahito for starting the culling game, and the final battle is everyone vs Kenjaku even if Kenjaku would most likely win low-mid diff
As true as that is, since Toji wouldn’t have playful cloud in this scenario, he… actually has no way to damage Jogo. You require cursed energy or a cursed tool to exorcise a cursed spirit, though his stat advantage would keep Jogo occupied for a LONG time.
I appreciate videos like this one. Creators now are getting complacent and their videos arent interesting. I appreciate you putting thought into your shit. Thank you my friend.
Another video idea could be the Jujutsu Sorcerers attacking the Infinity Castle. I made a post about this on reddit using the fighters and supporters (Larue, Kirara, Ui Ui, Mei Mei and Miguel) in the Shinjuku Showdown versus all the Upper Moons (alive and dead) and Muzan. You obviously have control over the rules of this crossverse battle, so you can decide whether this setup is overkill or not. Nevertheless, it would be an interesting video for you to tackle.
There was no Rengoku mention, so I am depressed. That aside, with every Slayer being any from 2.5 times (at the low end) to 10 times (at the highest end) faster than every character that isn't Toji (who realistically is not spawning no matter who has to fight Granny and Grandson), I'm not seeing how they fail. Like, their speed compensates for the lack of power to deal a decisive super heavy attack that I don't know why they WOULDN'T just blitz with like 800 attacks that the Curses couldn't even hope to react to. Like how are they gonna pop their domains if they don't get the chance? Would they not be able to chip away at their durability with a bunch of attacks? The way I see it, the way something like the Dagon situation plays out is: the Slayers show up, Base Form Dagon gets jumped to hell and is stuck fighting barely visible blurs, and is getting shanked and stabbed too much to pop a domain, then Zenitsu shows up and helps jump him even further 😂 Of course because of the Hax of someone like Mahito and the actual absurd strength of JoGOAT, I don't think it'd be easy, but if their main wincon is the fact that Slayers can't do anything about domains... how do they even get it off? Mahito wouldn't even have his 0.2 second Domain because in this scenario, he doesn't have a Gojo figure to copy the technique from. Idk, I don't watch either series, I just thought the concept seemed interesting.
its pretty weird, Shinobus whole fighting style is heavily relient on her speed, and she is regarded as one of the fastest hashira, so its weird to hear her being slower than the other slayers
At the very least give them town level attack potency going off of gyutaro final feat in the entertainment district, with uppermoons 1-3 amd muzan scaling beyond that. He really downplayed to building when they should be capable of more then that.
Theoretically could Tanjiro's selfless state remove his cursed energy? (It took away his fighting spirit when fighting against Akaza, who he held immense hatred for after he killed Rengoku, so couldn't it possibly remove any traces of cursed energy in his body? Thus making him immune to domain sure hits?)
@@bluebatmanvk5535 you overestimating tanjiro and underestimating the disaster cursed. Plus it prob won't even work, curse energy is completely different
I’m gonna be honest, the attack potency scaling is kinda lacking in this video Tanjiro from the beginning of the story is easily able to slice through a bolder(Hand demon is more durable than a bolder, with upper moons being at least at large building-city block durability) Daki is able to destroy a city block(though modern buildings are more durable than buildings in Japan during 1920’s) Although the characters don’t have insane range of attacks which limited their ability to show insane levels of power, im sure that anyone going at least Mach 5 will do heavy damage. The reason cursed Naoya is so strong was because he was hitting maki at Mach 3. Take Daki’s feat of destroying a large part of a city block(at least large building level) and scale that to Muzan who would be going near Mach 10; I’m sure that most of the top tiers are city block level with Muzan and Yorrichi being at most multi-city block level.
To add to this, Muichiro cuts through Gyokko's neck with ease, the same transformed Gyokko who said his scales are harder than diamond. The lack of AP for Demon Slayer in this video bc he based Attack Potency on Destructive Capability is the real low ball.
They’ll all die. The curses are just too strong for them to handle. Like cmon just with Choso along he could beat them up easily already. Heck even with either Dagon or Hanami alone they could beat them easily.
Choso gets turned into Cho/so by Inosuke who is way faster than Naoya. Hanami is basically like UPM 4 so they definitely can handle them considering they later fight the Top 3 moons. Dagon is legit garbo he is getting combos into sushi.
JJK is so interesting because speed is always the verse’s weakness, but DE almost always makes up for that. They don’t need to be fast if their technique is guaranteed to land in a DE, and I think that’s a really cool aspect of the power system
@@bokz7221even if they are have faster speed,jogo literally solos them all but he may have a trouble fighting zenitsu because zenitsu may be faster or not my (*yes the thing is they can defeat the normal curse spirts but not the disaster curse spirts*)
@@ria-cl9oosome hashira like tengen and sanami in base after faster than light and have small city level attack potency. The real questions is if gojo could even fight back.
@@Meliodas-uv1tpLMAOOO, bro straight up spitting Nonsense. Demon slayers are building level or at most small, very small Village of attack power. Don’t be dumb. One domain expansion and they’re all dead. The smallpox curse kills them all.
26:20 depending on if you say the demon slayers have no cursed energy for this video you could say that since they have zero curse energy they would be like maki in naoya’s domain unaffected and invisible to the sure hit of the domain
you have no idea about scaling don't you? this vid didin't recognize till the infinity castel video that demon slayer at bottom least scale to multi city block, and you can get them to city lvl with possible mountain lvl (via muzan shockwave feat of which it shook it's way till the ubuyashiki estate taking into account that between muzan and the estate a whole mountain as we've seen with nezuko), with the speed at bottom least is MHS+ via the lighting, both hantengu and kaigaku are positioned to have that due to hantengu already having stated to be real lighting and owning it's properties, while kaigaku has a databook statement for it being lighting, with zenitsu perception blitzing kaigaku who is lighting speed you can get the conclusion that zenitsu's KE as calculated is multi city block ignoring various other calculations and feats such as daki effortlessly destroying blocks of the entertaiment district which indeed contains concrete within them
Tanjiro was able to cut through a boulder which every demon slayer has to do (way bigger than the coffin one). then couldn't cut upper 6. he then get's 100x that strength to cut through upper six with -50% power via eye statement. to put a boulder into calc. gyomei's feat is 60 tons+ officially low balled . so tanjiro's should be around 25+ tons. a building should be around 40 tons. but due to this not being the full building it's around 25 tons when punching through. mahoraga lifts one and throws it making him 40 tons. (btw weaker characters do these building to cityblock feats, like upper 5 one shotting a house. or hantengu one shotting a forest (almost) and a building. upper six destroying several cityblocks and a town. *doesn't scale to overall ap*) Douma has good feats too having a cityblock feat+ while being 700x weakened. (someone goes further calcing this at: Final Tally: 108.98 Tons of Freezing. 213 Tons for KE (kinetic energy). 321.98 Tons in total. Multi-city block+.) Zohakuten's wood calc should be around this as well. I have so much more but I'm bored so here's only one. Yoriichi's calc for 1500 slices in less than a second. since calc stacking's a thing. scaling Yoriichi at Relativistic+ 7-C isn't allowed this is because you assume muzan is moving at lightning speed. muzan knows his speed so moving less than lightning speed Is dumb. second drug muzan is stronger than his battle form. so when he blitzes mitsuri (a lightning timer) and Zenitsu (a lightning timer) the calc stacking rule doesn't make too much sense.) zenitsu dodges kaigaku's lightning and blitzes him. muzan could perception blitz Gyokko. which muzan didn't consider Kaigaku strong enough for his spot. hence why he's upper 6. every hashira scales here since mitsuri's the slowest still faster than kaigaku. (the wiki confirms all hashira's are faster than mhs being mhs+>>>
It’s so sad that Giyu only got to fight Mahito, since dead calm is like the closest thing to an anti-domain technique demon slayer has. Also I’d argue that Tanjiro and Nezuko can observe the soul since they both see their dead parents, but I agree that it wouldn’t save them
Your demon slayer scaling is horrible lol. Gyutaro literally nuked a large town. How would characters that are literally hundreds of times stronger cap at building level lmao. Zenitsu at the start of the series with normal first for, is as fast as lightning(1/300 speed of light). He is multiple times stronger and faster in base by the entertainment district with god speed being several times faster and still can’t even perceive base tengens movements. Tengen was even with gyutaro in speed and akaza is faster than gyutaro. Kokushibo in base perception blitzed akaza and the even faster douma extremely casually. Sanami and gyomei are as fast as koku in his ls form.
See the thing ion get abt how ppl scale attack power is how big the attack is which ion think applies to ds they use swords anf by that logic someone like gyutaro who destroyed and entire city yet hes one of the weaker upper moons should be hit harder than akaza who never blew anything up can someone explain why it works here like i get it if they be destroying contenents but that just aint the case here
Plus kid Yoriichi moved 5 feet and slashed 4 times in the blink of an eye/ 0.2 seconds which is mach 40-25 and that was when he was a kid and Hashira is way faster so they surpasses mach 5 like u said
Even gege said that catching a bullet was too much and didn't make sense so he retconned the feat by making her slower than mach 3. He realized that feat was too inconsistent.
Nah, the mha verse Outscales *Everyone* in Shibuya except for Sukuna, Gojo, and Toji💀 And even then only Sukuna ang Gojo have the AC to Damage them🤷♂️ Hax wise tho....Mahito could probably F*ck over most unguarded heroes in the beginning too, but once they catch on, he's probably just gonna be relegated to an immortal support🤷♂️
@@TanvirAhmed-bz2ox I know, but the problem lies in actually capturing the ppl thinside the domains🤷♂️ Sukuna has an open domain so he doesn't have to worry about that, as for Gojo he has all the time in the world, especially is he lets ppl get stuck in his Infinity Then for Mahito, he doesn't even really need it since is win con is literally just getting touched *Once* 😂 The rest of the DE users however...ngl they gonna have to tank a couple hits to trap the top teir heroes, but if they do Manage to trap them then it's Wraps for the Heroes💀
without arguing speed one thing to note is that their attack strength is all focused, I think its at least fair to say while most codlin destroy a skyscraper, if a skyscrapers mass was in a boulder they could cut through t
And the fact that domain expansions wouldn't work on Shinobu, or any demon slayers too. People need to know that, or even that the citizens in JJK have cursed energy too.
It's called verse equalization by your logic the disaster curses destroy all of them because they don't have cursed energy so they can't see them at all
@@Meh.357then they cant exorcise any of fhe cursed spirits, so for the sake of a good faith argument, the demon slayers have baseline cursed energy and their nichirin blades are cursed tools
Also tanjiro in nowhere near yorichii's strength, yorichii easily defeated a full strength muzan in seconds but all the hashira had a lot of difficulty against a heavily weakened muzan.
Actually I think mahito vs tanjiro would be closer than that due to: First- Nezuko and (post dkt) tanjiro have both hosted a seperate being in their body, meaning they should be aware of their souls. Second- Tanjiro has the ability selfless state which is nearly identically described as being akin to tojis HR both completely erasing their presence and being able to avoid automatic detection attacks, meaning that tanjiro could avoid mahitos domain. I'm not gonna say that slayers definitely beat mahito, but i think they jave a couple of advantages that could maybe give them a win.
The first one might be a bit contentious since Choso and other resurrected sorcerers also host the souls of original bodies' owners in themselves. But Choso commented he couldn't see the soul at all because of how his soul being so dominant that it's basically put the original owner's soul to a deep sleep and can't be used to develop soul sense. So prolonged interactions between 2 souls in 1 body like Sukuna and Yuji can develop it. Now I'm not that far into Demon Slayer so it could be like that, but just hosting another soul isn't going to develop it. There's also the physical way to see a soul with similar description to transparent world however. So you could argue transparent world can be used to see the soul, or Tanjiro would know Mahito is moving his body's soul to protect it by the way he morphs.
No HR and selfless state are not the same, heavenly restriction removes a user of all their CE in order to grant them insane physical abilities, if Tanjiro has 0 CE he's cooked and if he has an even basic amount Mahito can sense him and he becomes a domain victim while not being able to damage mahito at all. as for your other points, they're really contentious and not stuff you can really prove straight up? but sure? I guess? even if Tanjiro is aware of his soul he doesn't have enough CE to protect it, nor does he have the AP to actually damage Mahito's soul enough to win.
JJK Domain Expansions are absolutely broken, without a magical/energy shield or a special protection technique, the sure hit effect of a domain will ultimately decide most battles. On the other hand, the only way the Demon Slayers would be able to defeat the Disaster Curses would be to use their organization's vast number advantage, throwing every man, woman & bird at the Disaster Curses until they're exhausted & to somehow obtain prior knowledge of the existence of Domains in order to plan out counters when one is cast (Have a Demon Slayer hang back to break the domain when it's cast) otherwise the Demon Slayers get a gold star for putting up a valiant effort!
Upper moons slam imo, compass, ice crystals and clones and the rng moon slashes from the top three upper moons in general are too much for the disaster curses to handle
@@pspsmallz What? Dude the disaster curses no diff the upper moons😂. Upper moons would be considered first grade cursed spirits at best. Kokushibo and Muzan could be considered special grade.
@@zorro8027you know the jujutsukaisen verse is a decent bit weaker then the demon slayer verse right? You didnt see what KUSAKABE did to fucking sukuna?
@@Dextellor No it’s not. In terms of speed/combat speed yes the Ds verse does stand a chance, but that’s literally the only category in which Ds characters can even compete in against Jjk. Yeah, nice attempt at a downplay. Sukuna was severely weakened when he faced Kusakabe, and Kusakabe was already explained to be a mega genius JJ sorcerer. They literally explained that Kusakabe rivaled Gojo in his ability to learn/evolve/understand Jj sorcery, not to mention the only reason Kusakabe lasted as long as he did was because he used multiple Jj techniques that increased his survivability and even used pseudo-domain on Sukuna to deal damage. On top of all of this recent chapters also confirm that Sukuna was holding back even when being jumped in Yuta’s domain, against Kashimo, Kusakabe etc. The only times Sukuna actually tried were when he was fighting Gojo and recently in the Manga when Sukuna realized his defeat was indeed a genuine possibly so Sukuna used Fuga to charcoal Choso. Using Kusakabe vs Sukuna as a downplay argument is quite literally an equivalence to me using Muzan vs Tanjiro as a way to downplay Muzan. We all know both Muzan and Sukuna were severely weakened by the time they fought Kusakabe/Tanjiro respectively.
I think it's masively unfair to say stuff like wisteria doesn't work. If you're gonna say that domain expansion will affect the demon slayers, then wisteria should affect cursed spirits. You coudl say it was a bloom blesse dby the gods or something
Since hanami doesn’t die anymore, wouldn’t Dagon not awaken since he doesn’t have his rage moment? And also since demon slayers have no cursed energy do domains even work or are they like a maki/toji situation?
I doubt that it would work like that, it was already stated that most, if not all humans (Excluding heavenly restriction users like Maki and Toji) have CE, so domains would work normally on the demon slayers. You could make an argument that Tanjiro's selfless state could make him imperceptible by some domains, but other than that, they would still get hit.
No its the same, heavenly restriction equates in 0 cursed energy, normal humans have a level of CE, if you take away the demon slayer's CE then they can't see or damage curses, and domains still work specifically dagon's domain the conditions of a domain are the same regardless of having CE or not.
having no curse energy doesn't make you immune to domains they just make you invisible to them so its useful for sneak attack but if the opponent knows you are there they can still direct the domains affect to you and something like malevolent shrine or jogo's domain would just kill them even without knowing their specific location.
Tanjiro is several times weaker then yorichi, Yorichi was able to single-handedly bring Muzan to his knees, where as Tanjiro barely did this with the help of the hashira. Yorichi is much faster and stronger than muzan
I think it would be more entertaining to assume that since demon slayer characters would exist in the JJK verse they would have more knowledge about it. It feels like kind of a cop out to just say they don't know about domain expansions or that Shinobu's whole fighting style is useless
instead of the elements that are only represented to better describe the kata of the various breathings, with the cursed energy the blows of the nichirin would actually have the ability to evoke flames, water, rocks, etc based on the various breathing techniques if we wanted to create a perspective, zenitsu he would be an expert kashimo
I mean yea sure, if they learn techniques like simple domain, falling blossom emotion and hollow wicker basket, they maybe stand a chance? but domain's are overall stronger than these techniques, and usually overwhelm them, so even if shinobu knew about the domain of the small pox curse, she would still need to figure it out in order to win
my guy... what is bro yapping about... shinobu is literally the fastest hashira. she even managed to blitz (kind of/not really) douma, and the only reason inosuke was able to react to douma better than shinobu, was because of shinobus poison, but alas.
@@clayless8701 Tengen admitted that COMPARED TO OTHER HASHIRAS, his talent was really low, he was not talking about strength or speed whatsoever. Tengen was truly the second strongest hashira (before any of them awakened the mark), in official rankings of speed and strength that THE OWN AUTHOR OF THE MANGA DID, Tengen Uzui is at 2nd place in strength, and 1st place in speed.
If you gave Shinobu Kanao, they'd kill the Special grade the second Shinobu was trapped. If you're allowing them to kill Demons the same way Tanjiro can kill the grasshopper.
I'm not saying the Slayers are stronger than the Sorcerers or the Cursed Spirits, that would be crazy. but an interesting tidbit is that, at least professionally, the sorcerers are used to fighting enemies weaker than them, their grading system determines that grade 1 sorcerers are stronger than grade 1 spirits, for example. But Slayers are trained to fight creatures FAR stronger than themselves, a Hashira defeating an upper moon is canonically a rare occurence before the events of the story and Hashiras are well expected to die against a Kizuki.
Maki and toji can't Even SEE them , much less interact with them, Maki and toji are Made to kill Sorcerers but they need special help to Even damage curse spirits
How is nobody talking about the fact that when jogo shows up, he cant just blitz and leave and toji would appear and Target jogo and hanami because theyre the strongest, finishing both off then toji gets 4v1ed by exhausted demon slayers
The building level scaling is a ridiculous lowball tbh You should’ve talked about the higher end scaling aswell as that’s only fair City block Douma (heavily weakened btw) Multi city block-small town Zohaukuten Multi City Block Gyutaro And like A BUNCH of KE stuff All be examples for why the verse is way higher
@@This-didnt-make-us-friends Dagon’s Domain IS NOT an island level feat you cannot prove it,If you were to create Manhattan that would only be a city level feat are you saying Dagon’s island is the size of Manhattan? A few conservative calcs have placed the feat at around town level being generous and giving it a 3km interior radius Domains don’t scale in potency to a sorcerers reinforcement or regular output as they quite literally burn out your cursed technique and give you brain damage For an accurate scale of JJK there’s a few feats starting with Ultimate Mechimaru’s canon being low city block level,Nanami’s earthquake being city block+,Mahito’s crater being city block+,Jogo’s maximum meteor being multi city block level,Ryu Ishigori’s granite blast being small town level,Hajime Kashimo’s explosion being small town leve,Uraume’s maximum technique being small town level and Gojo’s earthquake,goodwill purple and even unlimited hollow all being calced at around town level being an excellent gauge for how hard the verse is actually hitting Grade 2 sorcerers Large Building-City Block Grade 1 sorcerers City Block+ Disaster Curses Multicity Block Special Grades Small Town-Small Town+ Peak of the verse Town-Town+ That’s pretty much of JJK scales when you aren’t using ridiculous statements like Sukuna being planetary,Yuki’s black hole (which tbf is multi continental but is also a clear outlier) and even ridiculously overestimated feats like some Jogo mm calcs For how DS would scale I agree with the building level scaling as a sage baseline and lowball but I disagree with actually using it there’s too many contradictory feats,Taniro’s boulder cut small building-small building+,Gyutaro’s final attack multicity block,Singular Hantengu dragons being multicity block combined small town,Douma while heavily weakened being city block+,Various KE calcs using accepted speed calcs putting Hashira at multi city block-small town anyway Bottom of the barrel slayers Small Building+ Unmarked Hashira City block-city block+ Marked Hashira Multi city block-small town Upper Moon’s Small Town Muzan Possibly Town level
@@mrducky.. i can debunk the first chunk of the text with a single point: there are MOUNTAINS in the background when the disaster curses and Kenjaku are chilling around in the domain Then you can't use the creation feat of douma since that was a creation feat too, and special grades are stated to be able to use the entirety of their cursed energy in their body, besides, the special grades can open multiple domains if they want, the best examples being Yuta, Hakari, Gojo and Sukuna Wait ryu's granite blast scales higher than Jogo? Well that took me off guard But then you have multiple other statements and feats that help my point of the special grades (yeah only them, the rest of the scaling for grade 1 and lower is actually accurate) since the Shinjuku jumping The first one being when Kenjaku shows the USA president videos about the sorcerer's, and he stated that Gojo has the storage enough of energy to power up an entire nation The second one being the special grade statement, but that is only if you take it WAY to literally And then the Gojo earthquake, it can be scaled to island and even big island, since it went from the bottom of the Japan trench, and was felt in the Saitama prefecture where the MC's were But yeah, the rest of the scaling is actually good, congratulations, you cooked
@@mrducky.. I found a simpler way to debunk Domain AP scaling. Kusakabe explains that you have to know the details of the space you're trying to create in your domain. Gojo literally couldn't comprehend having a large space in his mini domain without his experience in the Prison Realm showing him the way. But yes I also mention all the time that their reinforcement isn't using the same output they use to make a domain so it's invalid anyway.
Yeah I dont get why ds gets lowballed so much, upper moons are ridiculously strong and comparable or stronger than the disaster curses depending on the upper moon.
I think u have the shinobu situation all wrong. 1) To be able to cut a boulder is something we seen tanjiro do pre final selection in order to learn breathing technique and 2) kanao will most likely be with shinobu in battle.
This felt very biased against the Demon Slayer characters. None of them have cursed energy so domains wouldn’t do anything to them. Or if we’re equalizing the verse, Shinobu’s poison should work on curses.
They are human, if they got into JJK universe, They get cursed energy on the spot. Even worse when they are from a ancient time in Japan. So they would equalize. With that said, yeah, this is a slaughter.
I feel like it wouldnt be a slaughter since if they most likely got ce then they would also surely get cts to use along with their breathing techniques, slayers would honestly be busted if they had both
They should have CTs and if not that, Falling Blossom Emotion/Simple Domain at the very least if they're gonna be put in this verse with CE, especially since they're all mainly high-level combatants with high-tier training
The speed scaleing for the demon slayer characters is worng, when mitsuri got hit be the sound wave she was in the air after jumping and couldn't doge because of that, on top of that there is a character later on who produces lightning that battled zenitsu and he was keeping up with it despite bieng slower than marked mitsuri, also shinobu is actually the fastest hasira and speed blitzed doma multiple times. So demon slayer characters are way faster than jjk in the Shibuya arc (other then arguably gojo and sukana) and shinodu should be able to break the boulders.
IC Zenitsu being Mach 7000 by his feats speedblizting a lighting applied with a blood demon art before it can reach him ,and the fact that he is also arguably slower than some of the higher ranks in demon Slayer,its really not close. Demon slayer also has a really high attack power,just because its not as destructive doesn't mean it not as lethal,Take Upper 5 Gyokko for example ,his neck and scales are as hard as diamonds ,and The cut trough it no problem ,imagine the difference between upper 5's body and neck durability compared to the top 3 upper moons or Muzan, Jjk has got NOTHING on Demon Slayer in terms of scaling,i think the reason people say jjk wins and its not close is because the jjk verse consists of Wide raging attacks and animation that makes them seem stronger than they are (for example Mahoraga wasn't doing all the stuff he was doing in the manga,they fr buffed him bug time )Thr only Category JJK really gets is Durability and even that is questionable because reminder:Demon slayers are not just regular people that are really fast, nothing about them is human apart from their emotions and thats what separates them from real demons ,we've seen some crazy Durability feats there too. Overall Demon Slayer gets strenght:Physical and Striking,Jjk gets Explosive/destructive but it won't even matter as jjk does not compare in speed whatsoever so even if lets say someone was to open their domain,by the time its closed the character would escape the range ,and it wouldn't even be necessary as they could chop the person into peaces before they can react... Durability is debatable,Demons have more durability and regen than any person in Jjk,For the Demon Slayers i think they are pretty compatible with most of jjk's cast. -as a result i think we shouldn't judge a verse's strenght based on their destructive capabilities alone, because in a fight 1 on 1 it does not matter if character A can destroy a building when they can cut trough diamonds with ease ...Just because some doasen't have the range to do massive attacks doasen't mean they aren't as powerful,what a surprise A swordsman does not have the same range as a fricking wizard ,but Demon slayer makes up for the range with their superior speed,strenght biq swordsmanship ,fencing and so on...The only people eho stand a chance against KNY Verse are Gojo and (just maybe Sukuna)but i see it as a draw as none of the above are fast enough to touch them but also Demon Slayers wouldn't really be able to get past infinity ,imo they kill sukuna,like for real it might sound crazy but considering everything...He has some regen but it hurts his brain to do so and its also slower than that of high ranking demons so i can totally see if not one of today's members, Yoriichi for sure blitzing and cutting Sukuna into a million peaces and all he needs to cut is either his head,or his guts to slow him down and its over,he has the speed and strength needed...im not a fan of verse wars but i won't be taking disrespect from such a braindead fanbase with their lobotomy memes and thinking its the other way around in a fight. (This comment only applies to thouse who don't know how scaling works and thouse who search for trouble and not reason) Jjk and Demon Slayer (with Mha) are currently my Top 3 Fav Animes and before you start flaming me for fanboying i have nothing against none of the shows but the internet presents them in darkness which i wanted to clear up ,if you have any comments on this "essay" share them but be nice ,and don't let false online takes deceive your opinion into becoming one of the braindead members of anime society ,please use your head...
I stopped reading at Zenitsu mach 7K LMAO Just stop the glaze The strongest demon in DS almost died after a simple gasoline explosion...that's your scalling? LMAO no
All of your arguments are easily refuted by the fact that the actual accepted calcs are literally building level lol Jjk is easily mhs+. Ds falls hypersonic at best
This felt somewhat off, you picked a weak character to try to escape a coffin and you sent her alone. Sending Mitsuri and snake would've made more sense.
6:00 This isn't in defense of Demon Slayer cause I think they still get slaughtered, but how do people expect her to dodge that attack? She's in midair, is she supposed to barrel roll or something?
“YOU CAN SMELL IT TANJIRO! YOU CAN SMELL MY CURSED TECHNIQUE!”
Bruhhhh
Oooof
Smells like chicken
Cursed Spirit: *DOMAIN EXPANSION*
demon slayers: wallahi I'm finished 💀
they have no curse energy so its more like. fuck this shit I'm out type thing
@@arcticflames6932 If they can see curses in this scenario, then they do, so they're cooked.
@@arcticflames6932 its even worse if they have no cursed energy cause then they're getting cooked cause they cant see the curses
@@Sanctus_xl Not just can they not even see them, they cant hurt them either, or even completely kill them. Because you need cursed energy to exercise curses. Basically meaning the Curse would just get right back up most likely and then what do they do from that point on?
@@arcticflames6932you do realize most humans have curse energy and if they are In the JJK verse that means they have curse engery otherwise they can’t see the curse spirit or curse technique therefore they are doom anyway
Tanjiro: "I could never kill a human!"
Inosuke: "It's on sight."
ain't even gonna lie if this was more accurate inosuke killing the grandson and grandma
@@arcticflames6932the grandson took the drills and didn’t even sweat, some broken blades can’t make him budge
@@TrulyAFreak the drills were slow lol the grandson cant take the speed of inosuke to survive all of his slashes without toji
@@sakosaka_58 the drills were divine dude stronger than blades
@@briefcasegaming4460 a nichirin katana is made with the strongest metal in the demon slayer verse now idrk if his drills go through nichirin but im pretty sure they dont
Haganezuka destroys the Disaster Curses after Jogo accidentally melts a sword.
Lol
🤌🏻
Fax
He’s OP
I'm a JJK fan, just watched Demon Slayer and laughed at this for a minute
I don’t ever hear people talk about how reaction speed and actual speed are much different, like you can react to a baseball coming at you at 60mph, but that sure as hell doesn’t mean I can run that fast! 😂
no ops logic is fucking wrong though because the characters he uses aka Hakari don't just react to lightning, they also move out of the way, you don't calculate the speed and or scale the speed of something based off of if it hits you or not its the distance you relative to distance the attack moved within a timeframe thats why a character can be faster than an attack while still being hit by it, no op is retarded at powerscaling
Fighting speed reaction speed and travel speed are all different scalings. They either don't mention it because they don't know or they don't mention it because they expect you to know if you're watching a scaling/versus video bro
Add attack speed too, kashimo can attack mach 700 but is hardly above hypersonic.
I agree with you but what's that have to do with the show
You should mention that to Deathbattle. For years they neglected that shit and probably only recently considered it now
Mid-tier Curse Spirit: Domain Expansion!
Tanjiros Corpse: “Not Breathing; F*cked Form! Dead Asf” 💀
u better be talking abt small pox
@@AA-tz2bmliterally any domain (minus dagons and hanamis, the latter because we literally don't know what it is, and the former assuming he somehow figures out how it works before getting turned to mince meat by the invisible shikigami) would kill the man, especially shit like infinite void or malevolent shrine
@@goobeeeer We know enough about Hanami's domain that I would say it could win, we know it's called Shining Sea Of Growing Branches, and we know that its sure hit is that beam from Hanami's arm, which Hanami thought would be able to beat Yuji and Todo's Jumpjutsu Kaisen, I feel like it would have the AP to just like shoot him to death
No CE so Domains can't target him.
@@Agent-57 with no ce you cant kill or see curses... Having no ce makes them weaker
Ignore the fact chosos blood hardening can not only tank but outright stop a punch from yuji. Tanjiros sword finna shatter like glass 💀
Hagenazuka would lime to.inow his location
@@NonaryNathan999
Haganezuka finna hear that lego dissasemble sound and solo choso
Ik bruh
Tanjiro outscales anime yuji
@@jjk4002 cap
Dagons death swarm isn’t invisible. It’s like the nen darts from hxh that don’t exist UNTIL the attack lands
entirety of it was taken from those dart nen ability
Now that i think about it, could those chimera ant siblings with the dart gimmick bypass Infinity? Not necessarily beat Gojo but at least land a hit on him
JJK power system is taken from HXH because both of them have many similarities
@@vgautamkrishna5197I wouldn't say taken out of HxH but yea they have some similarities
@@Spmatikit should in theory since it bypasses distance
The answer to the question at the start . . . No they get fucking slaughtered 😂
Right 😂 brutally. The disaster curses fodderize the hashira
True 😭
the only reason they even lost itss because of there durability like said they should have won ngl speed is the most important stat and speed should have carried them if there were mach 5 DAGON SHOULDNT EVEN BE ABLETO SEE THEM
@@Unkown-z7zit doesn't matter bro a loss is a loss
@@rushpatriot2866 ok?
Bro said: Even an average human can knock out Nobara; that's crazy. 😂
Straight up CAP.
I mean if shes standing still and not reinforcing with curse energy then I dont think a hit to the head wont give her a concussion.
I mean, maybe if she just like doesn't use any CE at all and just stands there, and we take somebody with a real good punch for the average joe, it might knock her out, but in any reasonable scenario the average joe is just getting a nail in their skull
He Said give her a concussion Not knock Out
i mean depends if its a discord mod then nobara wins but if its a person in his prime with a bit of experience in martial arts humans could win
Funny enough having shinobu fight the disease curse is the worst matchup for her.
Shinobu accounts how she’s pretty weak physically compared to other slayers like said in the video, but Mei Mei was only able to escape the boulder because of her physical strength, even then she doesn’t think she can break through 5 before the disease kills her.
Basically shinobu vs small pox deity is such a dirty matchup for her that you hate to see it😭🙏🏿
She has the strongest thrusting strength out of all the hashira, shinobu downplay is insane inverse and crossverse
@@jjk4002the fastest*
@@jjk4002 Thrusting Strength is only accounted for in battles with Keyaru /j
worst matchup possible
Impossible from the get-go. No way to effect the soul, so Mahito is unkillable.
The sleep demon could probably use his sleep ability hacks to take down Mahito, and then have people go in and crush his ego and make him lose his will to fight. But for characters like Megumi with Mahoraga, or Sukuna / Fake Geto, I agree that just their existence makes winning impossible for a lot of verses, because their hacks and general abilities would be hard to overcome.
@@kitzune2392I don't think anyone would be able to handle seeing mahitos fucked up mind before breaking
Mahito can be hurt if he runs out of cursed energy to use his technique, so eventually he would go down
@@nothingness4068how would you knock out a cursed spirit, he doesn’t need to sleep
@@IsaiahStickman no he wouldn't be knocked unconscious he would run out of cursed energy and be unable to use his cursed technique and thus be able to take physical regular damage, using his CT does take CE so he would eventually go down
Choso's blood shield straight uo stopped Yuji's punch 😭. Tanjiro's sword is snapping in half
If it can go through several feet of concrete it can AT LEAST dull his sword fr
@@machomandalf2893 Yuji the same guy who puts craters on where he jumps
@@titanbs5864 yuji is a dawg
@@machomandalf2893bro would have landed a black flash if Choso wasn’t hard
@@IsaiahStickman pause? (I know what you mean it just sounds sus)
All I imagine is the Naruto trying to talk no jutsu on Kid Buu💀. Rip the demon slayers
Kid buu would kill instantly, and also he would destroy the planet cuz HE DID IT WHEN HE WAS BACK
@@ChosoEsoKechizu no shit Sherlock
@@ChosoEsoKechizuno shit Sherlock
@AkumaMizushi No shit Sherlock
No shit sherlock @@ChosoEsoKechizu
Tanjrio miraculously survives his fight with jogo. Than proceeds to get into a fight with Mahito who’s hax are INSANE. Need i remind you that he could just LAUNCH his hand at tanjiro to catch him off guard than turn him into a fucking popsicle?
Mahito is way slower than tanjiro, he’s never gonna catch him off guard unless it’s a domain expansion lol
Can hit becuse no one cant atack the soul @@enlistedspoon
@@enlistedspoon you aint wrong but hear me out. Is bro really gonna expect the dude to turn into silly puddy? lol
@@protoman4622he does have precognition so🤷
@@protoman4622 well yeah, tanjiro has fought people who can already do similar things, like Muzan, and he has access to transparent world
ive seen far too many people saying that anyone transported into the jjk verse would have no cursed energy and would essentially be like toji.
NO, heavenly restrictions are the exception, not the rule. in the jjk verse your average human with no abilities whatsoever *still* has cursed energy its just the fact that they cant use it.
There's actually a more important detail to factor in as well: heavenly restrictions are something one is born with and are not inherently tied to the concept of not having cursed energy, as Mechamaru proves. In other words, just because someone doesn't have CE doesn't mean they automatically get Toji's / Maki's HR, in the same way someone isn't going to automatically get Idle Death Gamble just because their DE is non-lethal. It's simply not how this power system works at all.
Actually, you could argue that wisteria poison could affect curses. In japanese folk lore wisteria is said to repel evil spirits. That's why it's so effective against demons evil though in normal people it will usually only cause a bad weekend.
Can you give me a link for where it says that?
@@jjk4002 not to be rude but you can definitely look that up on google lol
Bro made a 6⭐ meal, who let this chief cook?
Dude one thing are demons and another are cursed spirits
@@Apt23-v8u What I'm saying is that is has basis in the folk lore surrounding the fuji flower.
Ahh yes Jujutsu sorcerer Vs Breathing differently. Still Rengoku vs The Jogoat would be absolute fire.
Nope, Jogo burns the verse down
@@gpavitra85 Jogo ain't making it past Zenitsu. No joke Zenitsu is not only way faster but can resist extreme heat.
@@Crimzonbreaker bro can't resist magma heat
@@CrimzonbreakerNaobito was also faster than Jogo, and who killed him?
Hah, literally
Bruh they doomed you should’ve used hell paradise to complete the dark trio
Hell’s paradise would do WAY worse
@@Tyxcwl in what way
@@WeebGuru6 It scales way lower than Demon Slayer ☠️
@@MysteryGuradian maybe speed wise but in general no it couldn’t
@@WeebGuru6 the uppermoons scale Higher
The speed scaling for JJK only gets worse when we consider Kenjaku’s clarification on Piercing Blood when fighting Choso. He explains that Piercing Blood ONLY exceeds the speed of sound at the moment it’s compressed and released, meaning, given travel time, it could slow down greatly before hitting its required target. This only means that Choso’s piercing blood against Yuji either pierced his brother at just Mach speed, or a bit under even that.
And one arc later hakari reacted to lightning
@@gamercentral2417 I don’t believe Kashimo’s CE property is at that exact speed, but it’s surely fast. It also has a sure hit, so even if it was somewhat slow, it’d be troublesome to avoid anyway.
No, he says that the initial velocity is the fastest and if you dodge it the first time then it’s not that scary even when the trajectory is changed.
@@AbysalRift the initial velocity is the beginning of an objects movement….? So YES. I am correct.
@@gamercentral2417 hakari reacting to lightning isn't a real speed feat since he's never shown to dodge it. The bolt he took to the head is more of a healing feat since he started healing the moment it hit him. If he would have dodged or blocked it then that would be a different story.
I kinda want how Jojo characters would handle the Shibuya Incident
See now that’s a discussion which part would u choose
Handily
@@WeebGuru6 another question is would the JJK characters be able to see Stands
@@darkreflection9087 to make it balance, let's just say that a stand = shikigami in jjk
@@darkreflection9087 I would say yes cuz u would have to equalize stand energy & curse energy
bro like what the hell are they going to do against mahito bro would be literally invincible
So this turns into every fight basically being like Jay Garrick Flash vs Aquaman. Speedsters that can't take too many hits and don't hit so hard vs tanks that can eat a ton of hits and deal big damage themselves
Yeah, bc he forgot about Demon Slayers swords being made of almost purely positive energy. Meaning they'd exorcize cursed spirits on contact, durability be damned...
Even Sukuna noted that had he not been in Yuji's body, merely blocking Mahoraga's sword would've ended him due to that rule.
@@CtisGamingthem slayers would not know reversed cursed technique, they’re cooked
Great comparaison but DS are also very lethal when it comes to cutting power.
For example, At the near end of Season 1 Tanjiro fought Rui a lower moon who had a neck tougher than steel and his strings at full strength being even tougher than that and Tanjiro being able to cut the strings but Giyuu easily cut off his neck and strings like it was nothing. And the power creep just goes up and up throughout the show.
And that was just a Lower Moon now imagine the strongest Upper Moons and Muzan who are like hundreds of time stronger than LM and at the end of the show, most Hashira are able to cut off their limbs...
So yeah DS are very lethal and rely more on Attack Potency than Destructive Capacity so they would have no problem at all dealing damage to JJK Socerers.
@@jm17991 you also got people like Yuji, who before he even had cursed energy, was throwing steels balls like they were made out of feathers, and people like Hakari who destroys buildings with his hands alone
@@IsaiahStickman These JJK meat riders bro 😭 any one faster than zenitsu is clapping them
Zenitsu blitzed the new upper 6 who should have equal reaction speed to mitsuri who could react and dodge lightning. This means zenitsu must have moved much faster than lightning to blitzes. Zenitsu is like half the speed of someone like sanemi as he was able to keep up with upper 1 who made the new upper 6 shit bricks. Now upper 1 is weaker than full power muzan who got cooked by that one sun breathing guy.
Maki who is one of the fastest in the verse can barley move at mach 3 if you stretch.
1. Impossible to see as they move to fast
2. Are impossible to hit
3. See them as a snail
4. Have at least town AP so they would be taking 1000 town level attacks in second.
Now tell me how they will be able to survive this with much lower stamina.
23:29 the absolute nobara disrespect is wild cause for one haruta DIDNT give nobara a concussion his sword did which caught her off guard and he never caved in any ceiling or roof that was nobaras hair pin lmao
just want to say that tanjiro is in NO WAY close to comparable to Yorichi. Yorichi was a once in a millennia talent that hasnt been close to matched since he was alive. Tanjiro even admits as much, saying he isnt gifted or as strong as Yorichi or even his father.
One other thing, the demon slayer mark is supposed to kill everybody who gains it by the age of 25with no exceptions... except for Yorichi
But why the heck would Kenjaku waste a powerful artifact such as the prison realm to seal some weak-ass dude? The whole point of sealing Gojo was because there was no other way to get him out of the picture due to how OP he was...
Zenitsu thunderclapping with Tanjiro and Inosuke on his back is wild ngl 😂
Wonder what would happen if we replaced the Demon Slayers with their demons
They’d probably still lose, but put up a far better fight
@@lanceshadow7335
No he couldn't LMAO
@@marcioamaral7511 Gotta remember that if all Upper Moons are in play, they are taking every JJK fighter to the infinity castle. Nakime directly controls the Infinity Castle through Muzan’s orders. It was only after Nakime is killed that Muzan retreats from the castle as he can no longer control it.
That already takes away the demon’s only glaring weakness, which is the sun. No JJK character, not even Sukuna, would have the capacity to kill them after that point. Muzan would quickly catch on to the strength of the JJK fighters, and would just have Nakime bury herself as far away as possible from the fight while controlling her, and therefore the castle. At no point could anyone even come close to taking the castle out of the equation as there is no CE to pick up on, and Muzan would just move Nakime the instant anyone came close. The video already determined that every character besides a select few can keep up with, let alone outclass DS speeds.
The Upper Moons will just get their asses kicked over and over, or more likely just keep dodging and wearing everyone out until everyone burns out their CT, DE, and RCT and then boom. Game over.
Edit: Hell, they could even just drop them all into the Infinity Castle and leave them trapped in there. With the Akaza, Douma, and Kokushibo
@@Grymx
What a convenient scenario LMAO
I think you're forgetting how much more versatile cursed energy is
The infinity castle is not a problem...the sorcerers don't even have to kill the demons
@@marcioamaral7511 Saying it’s convenient and claiming that cursed energy is “super versatile” without adding any context or input to the conversation is not a valid argument LMAO.
Yes it’s convenient, doesn’t take away from the fact that it’s valid.
Prove to me how in any scenario CE itself helps deal with the infinity castle.
Also if we wanna bring up how CE plays a part in the battle, then DE’s are realistically completely off the table since Slayers and Demons alike don’t have CE, nor any equivalent. Their power system is literally just breathing in a specific way. That takes away JJKs trump card completely.
So we can imagine DK Tanjiro scenario but Shinobu's poison working on curses and Sun Breathing stunning regeneration is too much?!?
Yeah.
Wisteria poison is specifically stated to only work on demons.
Sun Breathing stuns demon regen because it's the closest thing to the actual sun.
It ain't that hard buddy, lmao
@@diogod2347 my point was that while some touches can be made to make match ups possible and some crazy scenarios are fine, something rather imho trivial is not.
I mean yeah if you're hoping for KNY to win
@@diogod2347 never cook again
sun breathing only works against demon because their weakness is literally the sun
How is Mahito still alive if Kenjaku already started the culling Game?
Also im pretty sure Toji would go after Jogo, Not Gyomei, but overall it is still a pretty fun scenario
I personally think it would have made more sense if Toji and Jogo eliminate each other, Kenjaku uses Mahito for starting the culling game, and the final battle is everyone vs Kenjaku even if Kenjaku would most likely win low-mid diff
As true as that is, since Toji wouldn’t have playful cloud in this scenario, he… actually has no way to damage Jogo. You require cursed energy or a cursed tool to exorcise a cursed spirit, though his stat advantage would keep Jogo occupied for a LONG time.
my head is going to pop from rage of the demon slayer glazing
I appreciate videos like this one. Creators now are getting complacent and their videos arent interesting. I appreciate you putting thought into your shit. Thank you my friend.
Another video idea could be the Jujutsu Sorcerers attacking the Infinity Castle. I made a post about this on reddit using the fighters and supporters (Larue, Kirara, Ui Ui, Mei Mei and Miguel) in the Shinjuku Showdown versus all the Upper Moons (alive and dead) and Muzan.
You obviously have control over the rules of this crossverse battle, so you can decide whether this setup is overkill or not. Nevertheless, it would be an interesting video for you to tackle.
Mahito: Domain Expansion: Self-Embodiment of Perfection!
Demon Slayers: Wallahi, im dead.
How demon slayer would handle the Shibuya incident: they wouldn't
Mahito: lemme just hit a domain expansion real quick
There was no Rengoku mention, so I am depressed. That aside, with every Slayer being any from 2.5 times (at the low end) to 10 times (at the highest end) faster than every character that isn't Toji (who realistically is not spawning no matter who has to fight Granny and Grandson), I'm not seeing how they fail.
Like, their speed compensates for the lack of power to deal a decisive super heavy attack that I don't know why they WOULDN'T just blitz with like 800 attacks that the Curses couldn't even hope to react to. Like how are they gonna pop their domains if they don't get the chance? Would they not be able to chip away at their durability with a bunch of attacks? The way I see it, the way something like the Dagon situation plays out is: the Slayers show up, Base Form Dagon gets jumped to hell and is stuck fighting barely visible blurs, and is getting shanked and stabbed too much to pop a domain, then Zenitsu shows up and helps jump him even further 😂 Of course because of the Hax of someone like Mahito and the actual absurd strength of JoGOAT, I don't think it'd be easy, but if their main wincon is the fact that Slayers can't do anything about domains... how do they even get it off? Mahito wouldn't even have his 0.2 second Domain because in this scenario, he doesn't have a Gojo figure to copy the technique from.
Idk, I don't watch either series, I just thought the concept seemed interesting.
its pretty weird, Shinobus whole fighting style is heavily relient on her speed, and she is regarded as one of the fastest hashira, so its weird to hear her being slower than the other slayers
At the very least give them town level attack potency going off of gyutaro final feat in the entertainment district, with uppermoons 1-3 amd muzan scaling beyond that. He really downplayed to building when they should be capable of more then that.
I feel like instead of Ubi it would’ve been the Stone Hashira as it’s not like the president of the JJK school was the one captured
Theoretically could Tanjiro's selfless state remove his cursed energy? (It took away his fighting spirit when fighting against Akaza, who he held immense hatred for after he killed Rengoku, so couldn't it possibly remove any traces of cursed energy in his body? Thus making him immune to domain sure hits?)
then he loses his ability to see the cursed spirits and get eaten
@@briefcasegaming4460 nah, just use it to escape domains & then turn it off.
@@bluebatmanvk5535 you overestimating tanjiro and underestimating the disaster cursed. Plus it prob won't even work, curse energy is completely different
@@briefcasegaming4460 I was just proposing a possible anti-domain ability for Tanjiro, I never said he should win the scenario.
@@bluebatmanvk5535 ye but it's too inefficient
Demon slayers could be as fast as light if they meet mahoito be like
Mahito:domain expansion
Tangiro:I'm cooked💀💀💀
Tangiro:I'm cooked💀💀
I’m gonna be honest, the attack potency scaling is kinda lacking in this video
Tanjiro from the beginning of the story is easily able to slice through a bolder(Hand demon is more durable than a bolder, with upper moons being at least at large building-city block durability)
Daki is able to destroy a city block(though modern buildings are more durable than buildings in Japan during 1920’s)
Although the characters don’t have insane range of attacks which limited their ability to show insane levels of power, im sure that anyone going at least Mach 5 will do heavy damage. The reason cursed Naoya is so strong was because he was hitting maki at Mach 3.
Take Daki’s feat of destroying a large part of a city block(at least large building level) and scale that to Muzan who would be going near Mach 10; I’m sure that most of the top tiers are city block level with Muzan and Yorrichi being at most multi-city block level.
To add to this, Muichiro cuts through Gyokko's neck with ease, the same transformed Gyokko who said his scales are harder than diamond.
The lack of AP for Demon Slayer in this video bc he based Attack Potency on Destructive Capability is the real low ball.
@@bluebatmanvk5535 True, forgot about that
You forgot upper 6 daki casually destroying a whole street and gyutaro destroying the entertainment district 4:50
They’ll all die. The curses are just too strong for them to handle. Like cmon just with Choso along he could beat them up easily already. Heck even with either Dagon or Hanami alone they could beat them easily.
Choso gets turned into Cho/so by Inosuke who is way faster than Naoya. Hanami is basically like UPM 4 so they definitely can handle them considering they later fight the Top 3 moons. Dagon is legit garbo he is getting combos into sushi.
Lmao sure
@@Crimzonbreaker domain expansion: the demon slayers:💀
@@Sakura_is_herThe Demon Slayers with no cursed energy: 😂
@@JKBlackCloververse equalisation:
JJK is so interesting because speed is always the verse’s weakness, but DE almost always makes up for that. They don’t need to be fast if their technique is guaranteed to land in a DE, and I think that’s a really cool aspect of the power system
bro 200 views in 12 years is crazy
Homeboy where did you get out of the time chamber
Did he forget that domains literally don’t work on people who don’t have cursed energy like maki or toji 💀 and demon slayers literally have zero
they dont get anywhere. at all
they do 💀
@@bokz7221even if they are have faster speed,jogo literally solos them all but he may have a trouble fighting zenitsu because zenitsu may be faster or not my (*yes the thing is they can defeat the normal curse spirts but not the disaster curse spirts*)
@@ria-cl9oosome hashira like tengen and sanami in base after faster than light and have small city level attack potency. The real questions is if gojo could even fight back.
@@Meliodas-uv1tp gojo solos them easily if you know you know (*I am not fanboy or girl so know that*)
@@Meliodas-uv1tpLMAOOO, bro straight up spitting Nonsense. Demon slayers are building level or at most small, very small Village of attack power. Don’t be dumb. One domain expansion and they’re all dead. The smallpox curse kills them all.
26:20 depending on if you say the demon slayers have no cursed energy for this video you could say that since they have zero curse energy they would be like maki in naoya’s domain unaffected and invisible to the sure hit of the domain
then they cant kill or damage the curses plus they all get wiped by mahito who would win mid diff even if they all came at him at once
New title: what happens when u high ball Demon slayer vs a low ball jujutsu kasien
Fr!
Ikr
Demon slayer mid asf
@@Pissfingers-dy3ml right how is this demon king tanjiro is stronger then Jogo he can't even finish off an injured giyuu
you have no idea about scaling don't you? this vid didin't recognize till the infinity castel video that demon slayer at bottom least scale to multi city block, and you can get them to city lvl with possible mountain lvl (via muzan shockwave feat of which it shook it's way till the ubuyashiki estate taking into account that between muzan and the estate a whole mountain as we've seen with nezuko), with the speed at bottom least is MHS+ via the lighting, both hantengu and kaigaku are positioned to have that due to hantengu already having stated to be real lighting and owning it's properties, while kaigaku has a databook statement for it being lighting, with zenitsu perception blitzing kaigaku who is lighting speed you can get the conclusion that zenitsu's KE as calculated is multi city block ignoring various other calculations and feats such as daki effortlessly destroying blocks of the entertaiment district which indeed contains concrete within them
Tanjiro was able to cut through a boulder which every demon slayer has to do (way bigger than the coffin one). then couldn't cut upper 6. he then get's 100x that strength to cut through upper six with -50% power via eye statement. to put a boulder into calc. gyomei's feat is 60 tons+ officially low balled . so tanjiro's should be around 25+ tons. a building should be around 40 tons. but due to this not being the full building it's around 25 tons when punching through. mahoraga lifts one and throws it making him 40 tons.
(btw weaker characters do these building to cityblock feats, like upper 5 one shotting a house. or hantengu one shotting a forest (almost) and a building. upper six destroying several cityblocks and a town. *doesn't scale to overall ap*)
Douma has good feats too having a cityblock feat+ while being 700x weakened. (someone goes further calcing this at: Final Tally: 108.98 Tons of Freezing. 213 Tons for KE (kinetic energy). 321.98 Tons in total. Multi-city block+.)
Zohakuten's wood calc should be around this as well.
I have so much more but I'm bored so here's only one.
Yoriichi's calc for 1500 slices in less than a second. since calc stacking's a thing. scaling Yoriichi at Relativistic+ 7-C isn't allowed this is because you assume muzan is moving at lightning speed. muzan knows his speed so moving less than lightning speed Is dumb. second drug muzan is stronger than his battle form. so when he blitzes mitsuri (a lightning timer) and Zenitsu (a lightning timer) the calc stacking rule doesn't make too much sense.)
zenitsu dodges kaigaku's lightning and blitzes him. muzan could perception blitz Gyokko. which muzan didn't consider Kaigaku strong enough for his spot. hence why he's upper 6. every hashira scales here since mitsuri's the slowest still faster than kaigaku.
(the wiki confirms all hashira's are faster than mhs being mhs+>>>
brooo love these types of vids anime crossverse , next make like different anime groups in marine ford , different anime groups in naruto war arc
It’s so sad that Giyu only got to fight Mahito, since dead calm is like the closest thing to an anti-domain technique demon slayer has. Also I’d argue that Tanjiro and Nezuko can observe the soul since they both see their dead parents, but I agree that it wouldn’t save them
@thedecentgamer8250
to be fair seeing dead people did not save nanami.
Your demon slayer scaling is horrible lol. Gyutaro literally nuked a large town. How would characters that are literally hundreds of times stronger cap at building level lmao. Zenitsu at the start of the series with normal first for, is as fast as lightning(1/300 speed of light). He is multiple times stronger and faster in base by the entertainment district with god speed being several times faster and still can’t even perceive base tengens movements. Tengen was even with gyutaro in speed and akaza is faster than gyutaro. Kokushibo in base perception blitzed akaza and the even faster douma extremely casually. Sanami and gyomei are as fast as koku in his ls form.
This, this is the kinda what ifs that I like, taking parts of some series and applying them to others.
See the thing ion get abt how ppl scale attack power is how big the attack is which ion think applies to ds they use swords anf by that logic someone like gyutaro who destroyed and entire city yet hes one of the weaker upper moons should be hit harder than akaza who never blew anything up can someone explain why it works here like i get it if they be destroying contenents but that just aint the case here
That’s actually a very good point.
That whole part of the video made no sense to me and it’s what determined the win in many of the matchups
Nah ds being a jogo victim is wild
And now there’s a mahito, jogo, kenjaku, and beserker toji on the wild in shibuya
Yujis dad solos tbh
Plus kid Yoriichi moved 5 feet and slashed 4 times in the blink of an eye/ 0.2 seconds which is mach 40-25 and that was when he was a kid and Hashira is way faster so they surpasses mach 5 like u said
Dude, to catch a bullet point blank you need to be much faster than that
Even gege said that catching a bullet was too much and didn't make sense so he retconned the feat by making her slower than mach 3. He realized that feat was too inconsistent.
She wasn't catching a real bullet from a real gun tho, it was just a trash one from Mai tho
@@antoneopitts2212
Mach 3 Maki is also BS and Gege corrected it later
@@minichad5456
It was a real gun...construction is literally like conjuring in HxH
Using CE to materialize something
@@antoneopitts2212But then he made her scale to around ligth speed by making her keep up with Sukuna
That retcon was literally pointless😂🤣😂
He said the viewers could hurt nobara. Maybe an average human could but a anime fan could not
Maybe try this with My Hero?
even mid tier mha chars are enough for the verse 😭
@@notshadyshadStats wise maybe, but again...HAX
Learn the term, buddy
Nah, the mha verse Outscales *Everyone* in Shibuya except for Sukuna, Gojo, and Toji💀
And even then only Sukuna ang Gojo have the AC to Damage them🤷♂️
Hax wise tho....Mahito could probably F*ck over most unguarded heroes in the beginning too, but once they catch on, he's probably just gonna be relegated to an immortal support🤷♂️
@@sassyNsarcastic well thats also a big gamble because with 1 domain everyone is practically dead around him
@@TanvirAhmed-bz2ox I know, but the problem lies in actually capturing the ppl thinside the domains🤷♂️
Sukuna has an open domain so he doesn't have to worry about that, as for Gojo he has all the time in the world, especially is he lets ppl get stuck in his Infinity
Then for Mahito, he doesn't even really need it since is win con is literally just getting touched *Once* 😂
The rest of the DE users however...ngl they gonna have to tank a couple hits to trap the top teir heroes, but if they do Manage to trap them then it's Wraps for the Heroes💀
17:55 when we later hear about the spark of cursed energy that comes before a CT, i think hakari's "dodge" makes a lot more sense
But the lightning isn’t a cursed technique
Do Kaiju No.8 next
My goat 😂😂😂
Nukes Jjk verse
YOOO
i just recently watch that!
@@Someone-dg8qtthink he scales higher but he gets negged by Gojo or Takaba
Toji didn't tank Red by himself, you can see that he blocked it with the Inverted Spear Of Heaven, which neutralized cursed techniques
without arguing speed one thing to note is that their attack strength is all focused, I think its at least fair to say while most codlin destroy a skyscraper, if a skyscrapers mass was in a boulder they could cut through t
If even one drop of choso’s blood get mixed with tanjiro’s, he can burst his body from inside☠️
The Shinobu speed downplay is horrendous
And the fact that domain expansions wouldn't work on Shinobu, or any demon slayers too. People need to know that, or even that the citizens in JJK have cursed energy too.
It's called verse equalization by your logic the disaster curses destroy all of them because they don't have cursed energy so they can't see them at all
It's called versed equalization by your logic all of them get no diffed by disaster curses because they don't have cursed energy to see them
@@Meh.357 If you assume that the demon slayers don't have cursed energy, then they can't see or even hurt the cursed spirits.
@@Meh.357then they cant exorcise any of fhe cursed spirits, so for the sake of a good faith argument, the demon slayers have baseline cursed energy and their nichirin blades are cursed tools
Also tanjiro in nowhere near yorichii's strength, yorichii easily defeated a full strength muzan in seconds but all the hashira had a lot of difficulty against a heavily weakened muzan.
They literally would all get smited with any domain expansion
Domains don't work them, no cursed energy remember?
@@Meh.357Alright so the curses won’t be seen and they could just rip the Demon slayers heads off without them even realizing what’s happening to them.
@@Meh.357the only people who don’t have CE are people with heavenly restriction
@@Meh.357Everyone in JJK has cursed energy 💀💀
@@Meh.357 itll be balance dude. yk verse equalization
By getting their shit absolutely wrecked that's how.
Actually I think mahito vs tanjiro would be closer than that due to:
First- Nezuko and (post dkt) tanjiro have both hosted a seperate being in their body, meaning they should be aware of their souls.
Second- Tanjiro has the ability selfless state which is nearly identically described as being akin to tojis HR both completely erasing their presence and being able to avoid automatic detection attacks, meaning that tanjiro could avoid mahitos domain.
I'm not gonna say that slayers definitely beat mahito, but i think they jave a couple of advantages that could maybe give them a win.
The first one might be a bit contentious since Choso and other resurrected sorcerers also host the souls of original bodies' owners in themselves. But Choso commented he couldn't see the soul at all because of how his soul being so dominant that it's basically put the original owner's soul to a deep sleep and can't be used to develop soul sense. So prolonged interactions between 2 souls in 1 body like Sukuna and Yuji can develop it. Now I'm not that far into Demon Slayer so it could be like that, but just hosting another soul isn't going to develop it. There's also the physical way to see a soul with similar description to transparent world however. So you could argue transparent world can be used to see the soul, or Tanjiro would know Mahito is moving his body's soul to protect it by the way he morphs.
No HR and selfless state are not the same, heavenly restriction removes a user of all their CE in order to grant them insane physical abilities, if Tanjiro has 0 CE he's cooked and if he has an even basic amount Mahito can sense him and he becomes a domain victim while not being able to damage mahito at all.
as for your other points, they're really contentious and not stuff you can really prove straight up? but sure? I guess? even if Tanjiro is aware of his soul he doesn't have enough CE to protect it, nor does he have the AP to actually damage Mahito's soul enough to win.
interesting
I do see how you could stretch that into a win con but being aware of your soul doesnt mean you can protect it. They also cant damage mahito.
JJK Domain Expansions are absolutely broken, without a magical/energy shield or a special protection technique, the sure hit effect of a domain will ultimately decide most battles. On the other hand, the only way the Demon Slayers would be able to defeat the Disaster Curses would be to use their organization's vast number advantage, throwing every man, woman & bird at the Disaster Curses until they're exhausted & to somehow obtain prior knowledge of the existence of Domains in order to plan out counters when one is cast (Have a Demon Slayer hang back to break the domain when it's cast) otherwise the Demon Slayers get a gold star for putting up a valiant effort!
Now what if you flip it and put the upper moons in place of the disaster curses?
Upper moons slam imo, compass, ice crystals and clones and the rng moon slashes from the top three upper moons in general are too much for the disaster curses to handle
@@pspsmallzI think bro meant the sorcerers fight the upper moons
And the upper moons have to try n capture gojo
@@pspsmallz
What? Dude the disaster curses no diff the upper moons😂. Upper moons would be considered first grade cursed spirits at best. Kokushibo and Muzan could be considered special grade.
@@zorro8027you know the jujutsukaisen verse is a decent bit weaker then the demon slayer verse right? You didnt see what KUSAKABE did to fucking sukuna?
@@Dextellor
No it’s not. In terms of speed/combat speed yes the Ds verse does stand a chance, but that’s literally the only category in which Ds characters can even compete in against Jjk.
Yeah, nice attempt at a downplay. Sukuna was severely weakened when he faced Kusakabe, and Kusakabe was already explained to be a mega genius JJ sorcerer. They literally explained that Kusakabe rivaled Gojo in his ability to learn/evolve/understand Jj sorcery, not to mention the only reason Kusakabe lasted as long as he did was because he used multiple Jj techniques that increased his survivability and even used pseudo-domain on Sukuna to deal damage.
On top of all of this recent chapters also confirm that Sukuna was holding back even when being jumped in Yuta’s domain, against Kashimo, Kusakabe etc. The only times Sukuna actually tried were when he was fighting Gojo and recently in the Manga when Sukuna realized his defeat was indeed a genuine possibly so Sukuna used Fuga to charcoal Choso.
Using Kusakabe vs Sukuna as a downplay argument is quite literally an equivalence to me using Muzan vs Tanjiro as a way to downplay Muzan. We all know both Muzan and Sukuna were severely weakened by the time they fought Kusakabe/Tanjiro respectively.
I think it's masively unfair to say stuff like wisteria doesn't work. If you're gonna say that domain expansion will affect the demon slayers, then wisteria should affect cursed spirits. You coudl say it was a bloom blesse dby the gods or something
Since hanami doesn’t die anymore, wouldn’t Dagon not awaken since he doesn’t have his rage moment?
And also since demon slayers have no cursed energy do domains even work or are they like a maki/toji situation?
I doubt that it would work like that, it was already stated that most, if not all humans (Excluding heavenly restriction users like Maki and Toji) have CE, so domains would work normally on the demon slayers. You could make an argument that Tanjiro's selfless state could make him imperceptible by some domains, but other than that, they would still get hit.
Normal people got hit by Gojo's 0.2 second domain. That's all.
No its the same, heavenly restriction equates in 0 cursed energy, normal humans have a level of CE, if you take away the demon slayer's CE then they can't see or damage curses, and domains still work specifically dagon's domain the conditions of a domain are the same regardless of having CE or not.
The domains work but only if You are inside them, externaly dont
having no curse energy doesn't make you immune to domains they just make you invisible to them so its useful for sneak attack but if the opponent knows you are there they can still direct the domains affect to you and something like malevolent shrine or jogo's domain would just kill them even without knowing their specific location.
Tanjiro is several times weaker then yorichi, Yorichi was able to single-handedly bring Muzan to his knees, where as Tanjiro barely did this with the help of the hashira. Yorichi is much faster and stronger than muzan
I think it would be more entertaining to assume that since demon slayer characters would exist in the JJK verse they would have more knowledge about it. It feels like kind of a cop out to just say they don't know about domain expansions or that Shinobu's whole fighting style is useless
instead of the elements that are only represented to better describe the kata of the various breathings, with the cursed energy the blows of the nichirin would actually have the ability to evoke flames, water, rocks, etc based on the various breathing techniques if we wanted to create a perspective, zenitsu he would be an expert kashimo
I mean yea sure, if they learn techniques like simple domain, falling blossom emotion and hollow wicker basket, they maybe stand a chance? but domain's are overall stronger than these techniques, and usually overwhelm them, so even if shinobu knew about the domain of the small pox curse, she would still need to figure it out in order to win
my guy... what is bro yapping about... shinobu is literally the fastest hashira. she even managed to blitz (kind of/not really) douma, and the only reason inosuke was able to react to douma better than shinobu, was because of shinobus poison, but alas.
a feat that is often over looked is upper 6s, (the weakest upper rank) final attack, which high ball could be city block level+
Exactly and injured tengen managed to survive it. Tengen is also probably the weakest hashira
@@crocoboi7936Tengen was the 2nd strongest Hashira at that point.
@@chiro921 Tengen himself admitted he was one of the weaker hashira
@@clayless8701 Tengen admitted that COMPARED TO OTHER HASHIRAS, his talent was really low, he was not talking about strength or speed whatsoever. Tengen was truly the second strongest hashira (before any of them awakened the mark), in official rankings of speed and strength that THE OWN AUTHOR OF THE MANGA DID, Tengen Uzui is at 2nd place in strength, and 1st place in speed.
If you gave Shinobu Kanao, they'd kill the Special grade the second Shinobu was trapped. If you're allowing them to kill Demons the same way Tanjiro can kill the grasshopper.
I'm not saying the Slayers are stronger than the Sorcerers or the Cursed Spirits, that would be crazy.
but an interesting tidbit is that, at least professionally, the sorcerers are used to fighting enemies weaker than them, their grading system determines that grade 1 sorcerers are stronger than grade 1 spirits, for example.
But Slayers are trained to fight creatures FAR stronger than themselves, a Hashira defeating an upper moon is canonically a rare occurence before the events of the story and Hashiras are well expected to die against a Kizuki.
Curse spirits are intangible to anyone whos doesnt use curse energy
@@Apt23-v8u bro forgot Maki and Toji
@@Apt23-v8u Only low grade cursed spirits are intangible. Unless you meant invulnerable
Maki and toji can't Even SEE them , much less interact with them, Maki and toji are Made to kill Sorcerers but they need special help to Even damage curse spirits
@@tomanh2330maki has special glasses and toji trained his heavenly restriction to sense them
How is nobody talking about the fact that when jogo shows up, he cant just blitz and leave and toji would appear and Target jogo and hanami because theyre the strongest, finishing both off then toji gets 4v1ed by exhausted demon slayers
@nothingness4068
well technically he would be not able to hurt jogo because his lack of a cursed weapon.
The building level scaling is a ridiculous lowball tbh
You should’ve talked about the higher end scaling aswell as that’s only fair
City block Douma (heavily weakened btw)
Multi city block-small town Zohaukuten
Multi City Block Gyutaro
And like A BUNCH of KE stuff
All be examples for why the verse is way higher
If you use Creation as Feats then EVERYONE in the Jjk cast is Island level since Dagon created an island
@@This-didnt-make-us-friends Dagon’s Domain IS NOT an island level feat you cannot prove it,If you were to create Manhattan that would only be a city level feat are you saying Dagon’s island is the size of Manhattan? A few conservative calcs have placed the feat at around town level being generous and giving it a 3km interior radius
Domains don’t scale in potency to a sorcerers reinforcement or regular output as they quite literally burn out your cursed technique and give you brain damage
For an accurate scale of JJK there’s a few feats starting with Ultimate Mechimaru’s canon being low city block level,Nanami’s earthquake being city block+,Mahito’s crater being city block+,Jogo’s maximum meteor being multi city block level,Ryu Ishigori’s granite blast being small town level,Hajime Kashimo’s explosion being small town leve,Uraume’s maximum technique being small town level and Gojo’s earthquake,goodwill purple and even unlimited hollow all being calced at around town level being an excellent gauge for how hard the verse is actually hitting
Grade 2 sorcerers Large Building-City Block
Grade 1 sorcerers City Block+
Disaster Curses Multicity Block
Special Grades Small Town-Small Town+
Peak of the verse Town-Town+
That’s pretty much of JJK scales when you aren’t using ridiculous statements like Sukuna being planetary,Yuki’s black hole (which tbf is multi continental but is also a clear outlier) and even ridiculously overestimated feats like some Jogo mm calcs
For how DS would scale I agree with the building level scaling as a sage baseline and lowball but I disagree with actually using it there’s too many contradictory feats,Taniro’s boulder cut small building-small building+,Gyutaro’s final attack multicity block,Singular Hantengu dragons being multicity block combined small town,Douma while heavily weakened being city block+,Various KE calcs using accepted speed calcs putting Hashira at multi city block-small town anyway
Bottom of the barrel slayers Small Building+
Unmarked Hashira City block-city block+
Marked Hashira Multi city block-small town
Upper Moon’s Small Town
Muzan Possibly Town level
@@mrducky.. i can debunk the first chunk of the text with a single point: there are MOUNTAINS in the background when the disaster curses and Kenjaku are chilling around in the domain
Then you can't use the creation feat of douma since that was a creation feat too, and special grades are stated to be able to use the entirety of their cursed energy in their body, besides, the special grades can open multiple domains if they want, the best examples being Yuta, Hakari, Gojo and Sukuna
Wait ryu's granite blast scales higher than Jogo? Well that took me off guard
But then you have multiple other statements and feats that help my point of the special grades (yeah only them, the rest of the scaling for grade 1 and lower is actually accurate) since the Shinjuku jumping
The first one being when Kenjaku shows the USA president videos about the sorcerer's, and he stated that Gojo has the storage enough of energy to power up an entire nation
The second one being the special grade statement, but that is only if you take it WAY to literally
And then the Gojo earthquake, it can be scaled to island and even big island, since it went from the bottom of the Japan trench, and was felt in the Saitama prefecture where the MC's were
But yeah, the rest of the scaling is actually good, congratulations, you cooked
@@mrducky.. I found a simpler way to debunk Domain AP scaling. Kusakabe explains that you have to know the details of the space you're trying to create in your domain. Gojo literally couldn't comprehend having a large space in his mini domain without his experience in the Prison Realm showing him the way.
But yes I also mention all the time that their reinforcement isn't using the same output they use to make a domain so it's invalid anyway.
Yeah I dont get why ds gets lowballed so much, upper moons are ridiculously strong and comparable or stronger than the disaster curses depending on the upper moon.
I think u have the shinobu situation all wrong. 1) To be able to cut a boulder is something we seen tanjiro do pre final selection in order to learn breathing technique and 2) kanao will most likely be with shinobu in battle.
This felt very biased against the Demon Slayer characters. None of them have cursed energy so domains wouldn’t do anything to them. Or if we’re equalizing the verse, Shinobu’s poison should work on curses.
They are human, if they got into JJK universe, They get cursed energy on the spot. Even worse when they are from a ancient time in Japan. So they would equalize. With that said, yeah, this is a slaughter.
Verse equalization, they're being put in the jjk universe where 99.99% of humanity is born with the bare minimum cursed energy
I feel like it wouldnt be a slaughter since if they most likely got ce then they would also surely get cts to use along with their breathing techniques, slayers would honestly be busted if they had both
They should have CTs and if not that, Falling Blossom Emotion/Simple Domain at the very least if they're gonna be put in this verse with CE, especially since they're all mainly high-level combatants with high-tier training
You need curse energy to do damage to cursed spirits and is an obligatory requisite
The speed scaleing for the demon slayer characters is worng, when mitsuri got hit be the sound wave she was in the air after jumping and couldn't doge because of that, on top of that there is a character later on who produces lightning that battled zenitsu and he was keeping up with it despite bieng slower than marked mitsuri, also shinobu is actually the fastest hasira and speed blitzed doma multiple times. So demon slayer characters are way faster than jjk in the Shibuya arc (other then arguably gojo and sukana) and shinodu should be able to break the boulders.
never cook again💀💀💀💀
With verse equalisation, shinibu’s poison would work.
You really lowballed demon slayer , they’re at least town level
Nope sir it's facts this man was so generous that he let ur characters see cursed spirits lol and don't worry I have watched ds👍🤫
@@Griseofulvin779That's called verse equalization
@@Zarisss oh then ig if they see cursed spirits that means they will get caught in DOMAIN EXPANSION
@@Griseofulvin779 gyotaro destroyed a town after he got decapitated
@@valdrindodaj5029 oh no that's soo scary ahhhh
Bro if you take that town and compare to a 100 buildings and it's a small tien bruh😂
Toji doesnt have an allegiance to the curse spirits, so he would have killed Hanami
IC Zenitsu being Mach 7000 by his feats speedblizting a lighting applied with a blood demon art before it can reach him ,and the fact that he is also arguably slower than some of the higher ranks in demon Slayer,its really not close. Demon slayer also has a really high attack power,just because its not as destructive doesn't mean it not as lethal,Take Upper 5 Gyokko for example ,his neck and scales are as hard as diamonds ,and The cut trough it no problem ,imagine the difference between upper 5's body and neck durability compared to the top 3 upper moons or Muzan, Jjk has got NOTHING on Demon Slayer in terms of scaling,i think the reason people say jjk wins and its not close is because the jjk verse consists of Wide raging attacks and animation that makes them seem stronger than they are (for example Mahoraga wasn't doing all the stuff he was doing in the manga,they fr buffed him bug time )Thr only Category JJK really gets is Durability and even that is questionable because reminder:Demon slayers are not just regular people that are really fast, nothing about them is human apart from their emotions and thats what separates them from real demons ,we've seen some crazy Durability feats there too. Overall Demon Slayer gets strenght:Physical and Striking,Jjk gets Explosive/destructive but it won't even matter as jjk does not compare in speed whatsoever so even if lets say someone was to open their domain,by the time its closed the character would escape the range ,and it wouldn't even be necessary as they could chop the person into peaces before they can react... Durability is debatable,Demons have more durability and regen than any person in Jjk,For the Demon Slayers i think they are pretty compatible with most of jjk's cast.
-as a result i think we shouldn't judge a verse's strenght based on their destructive capabilities alone, because in a fight 1 on 1 it does not matter if character A can destroy a building when they can cut trough diamonds with ease ...Just because some doasen't have the range to do massive attacks doasen't mean they aren't as powerful,what a surprise A swordsman does not have the same range as a fricking wizard ,but Demon slayer makes up for the range with their superior speed,strenght biq swordsmanship ,fencing and so on...The only people eho stand a chance against KNY Verse are Gojo and (just maybe Sukuna)but i see it as a draw as none of the above are fast enough to touch them but also Demon Slayers wouldn't really be able to get past infinity ,imo they kill sukuna,like for real it might sound crazy but considering everything...He has some regen but it hurts his brain to do so and its also slower than that of high ranking demons so i can totally see if not one of today's members, Yoriichi for sure blitzing and cutting Sukuna into a million peaces and all he needs to cut is either his head,or his guts to slow him down and its over,he has the speed and strength needed...im not a fan of verse wars but i won't be taking disrespect from such a braindead fanbase with their lobotomy memes and thinking its the other way around in a fight. (This comment only applies to thouse who don't know how scaling works and thouse who search for trouble and not reason) Jjk and Demon Slayer (with Mha) are currently my Top 3 Fav Animes and before you start flaming me for fanboying i have nothing against none of the shows but the internet presents them in darkness which i wanted to clear up ,if you have any comments on this "essay" share them but be nice ,and don't let false online takes deceive your opinion into becoming one of the braindead members of anime society ,please use your head...
I stopped reading at Zenitsu mach 7K LMAO
Just stop the glaze
The strongest demon in DS almost died after a simple gasoline explosion...that's your scalling? LMAO no
All of your arguments are easily refuted by the fact that the actual accepted calcs are literally building level lol
Jjk is easily mhs+. Ds falls hypersonic at best
Yorichi inters the room mahito: ahh well I’m fucked
I haven’t seen the Video but the DEMON SLAYER CORE IS COOKED💀
This felt somewhat off, you picked a weak character to try to escape a coffin and you sent her alone. Sending Mitsuri and snake would've made more sense.
DEMON SLAYER IS BETTER THAN JJK I SAID WHAT I SAID
You want a water and saltine crackers with your anime buddy?
@yahiko7230 calling it a boring anime. Bland nothing new.
@yahiko7230 I was saying demon slayer is boring unless you miss typed
6:00 This isn't in defense of Demon Slayer cause I think they still get slaughtered, but how do people expect her to dodge that attack? She's in midair, is she supposed to barrel roll or something?
idea: the jujutsu sorcerers on the island mission from hell's paradise
18:33 I think it's safe to assume Toji dodged the lightning because his fit was left unscathed