@@turkchap Yeah we are pretty rare 😂 And ofc I liked the vid bro, It's literally the most informative vid I've seen about Georgian people (Especially our languages)
As a person studying Georgian, I audibly raised my voice in excitement screaming "YEEESS" seeing people FINALLY covering this extremely underappreciated part of the world, I strongly applaud and thank you, დიდი მადლობა
@@Ant_Diplodicus საბერძნეთი? მიწა ბრძენ კაცთა? (The land of the wise men. and yes that's the literal translation) საბერძნეთი ჩვენი მართმადიდებელი ძმები არიან და მეც ძალიან მიყვარს თქვენი ქვეყენა, ისტრია და მიწა ❤
@@lurji I genuinely have no idea but, I have already been studying on-and-off for 2.5 years now, so all the essential grammar is over with! :D I do agree it feels like a nightmare in the beginning, but it's really not too different of a feeling than learning other languages with "difficult" grammar, you just need to get a feeling for it 👌The real problem is memorizing the verbs.. those I admit are a nightmare, even some every-day ones from how irregular they are, but nothing you can't get over ❤
I saw someone say that the Kartvelian Languages were likely much more widespread in ancient times in the Pontic Steppe and Anatolia but were pushed into modern areas by the expansion of Indo Europeans. No clue how true that is but it would explain why there’s so much linguistic influence, and why Pontic Greeks are much closer genetically to Kartvelians than any other groups, including Greeks and Turks.
@@themadmanwithapen Hattic and Kaskian are more frequently grouped with Abkhaz-Circassian rather than Kartvelian Zan might have been introduced into the Pontus after the Kaskians but before the Greeks
@@Nastya_07 Abhkazs arent an ancient raze,nor are circrassians,Hattic and kaskians have been associated with colchians more,circrassians first came to be as jiks and although they did share that languange group it was way after the hittites
As a svan person from kabardino-balkaria, I’m so happy to see my ancestor’s language being talked about because it is a language that could disappear if we don’t keep it alive, it may seem like a simple video to you, but it really means a lot, thank you.
Hello Elena! I know there are a lot of people in Kabardino-Balkaria, who has a Svan ancestry. How is it going? Do you preserve any Svanetian traditions? or are those people identify themselves as a Svan?
@ hello ! Yes we are quite a lot of people having svan ancestors. I would say that we are aware of our heritage but the language isn’t really alive, I have the chance to know some people in svaneti that are from the same family branch as me, but it isn’t the case for everyone. However they still love the svan people and we even have the same towers here !
Hello from Georgia, sister ! I'm curious how your ancestors end up to Kabardino-balkaria, I mean which period this happened when a lot of Svans moved there ?
As a Georgian (Mingrelian), there is no greater happiness for me than hearing someone from another nationality talk about my people and my culture. Thank you, brother.❤
as a georgian i am very happy people speaking about it, everytime a video comes out, georgia is a small country and it is rare for people to pay attention to it, this video is very informative even for a linguistics nerd like me, thank you
Thanks for the video! A few clarifications: 1) there is no letter or sound "n" in the name of megreli. "Mingrels" is a name distorted by the russians. From the russian name, this error entered the German and English scientific literature. The self-name of the people is Margal'ep, in Georgian - Megrelebi, hence the correct name - Megreli. 2) Megreli and Laz - until now, most linguists argue, because in fact the Megrel and Laz languages are most likely dialects of the same language. The Laz language has more Greek and Turkish borrowings than Megrelian, but these languages are quite mutually intelligible.
@@埊 Notice how Megrel also somewhat sounds close to Maghreb-maybe there's a distant link to North Africa, or megara-do you think there's a hidden connection to ancient Greece? Stop yapping
Interesting fact about Georgian language: at 4:52 you broght an example მე ვწერ (me vts'er), but as ვ is a first person marker, you can remove მე and just say ვწერ, which is gramatically correct too. In Georgian, due to gramatical characteristics, we have many one word sentences.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Georgia is such an interesting country with a unique language. I visited the country a few years ago and was blown away by how beautiful it is. I really want to visit again soon.
Georgian here and great video, although there is something I would like to add. There is some amount of evidence that written Georgian actually did exist in the antiquity, as there are a few sources mentioning written communication between proto Georgian kingdoms and the Hellenic world at the time. There is also evidence of written laws existing in Georgia, as some of those archaic laws still survive in high mountain regions of the country, such as Tusheti. Additionally, according to the story of Georgia's Christianization in 5th century AD, king Miriam destroyed all the pre existing scripture and replaced it with Christian scripture, which implies that some sort of a writing script existed before Christianization.
also, how the hell would there be inscriptions in 5th or even 6th century almost a continent away 11:11 if there was not an established alphabet well before that? it's not like some armenian guy invented georgian and and in the same century spead it on several continents via RUclips or TikTok 😀 right? excuse me, I'm not an expert, but seems very unlikely to me; please correct me if I'm wrong
I’m a proud Megrelian - Colchian - Georgian! My native language Megrelian is ancient language in the world, we love and respect our native language, as our lovely Georgian language also. But Megrelian-Laz and Svan language need to defend, government must to do everything m, to protect our languages l.
Very enjoyable video. A small channel with high production quality is always a nice thing to find. I subscribed. Keep up the vids and let’s watch this channel grow!
Although there have been Georgian migrations into Iran - sometimes voluntary, but mainly forced - since the time of shah Tahmasp I, the presence of a large Georgian community in Iran dates mainly from the reign of shah Abbas I. During the Persian punitive campaign undertaken in eastern Georgia by Shah Abbas in 1614-17 against his (formerly most loyal) Georgian subject Teimuraz I, both the region of Kakheti and the city of Tbilisi were devastated, and a large part of the population forced into exile. Soon after the triumphal return of Shah Abbas to Persia in 1617 following his Georgian campaign, some 200,000 ethnic Georgians from Kakheti were banished to Isfahan province, Fereydan county, and other regions in mainland Persia, such as in the north (present day Mazandaran province, Gilan province). Under forced labour,[1] Georgians constructed bridges and organized the improvement of the farmlands of the Fereydan valley.[2] After their forced migration, Persianization, and islamisation,[3] few of the Fereydan Georgians were able to maintain any contact with their motherland. They did, however manage to retain their mother tongue, the Georgian language, which, to this day, they call Pereidnuli (and which is mutually intelligible with East Georgian dialects). Today, the number of Fereydan Georgians exceeds 100,000 individuals, while the total number of Iranian Georgians in the country as a whole (to say nothing of Iranians claiming Georgian ancestry) constitutes a far greater number, running into the millions - the result of successive waves of Georgian migration occurring between the 16th and 19th centuries.
A lot of people, including many Georgians, don't know that the oldest Georgian writing style Asomtavruli is actually pronounced "Asomtvaruli" - which translates as "Moon Letters" and is based both on shape and meaning of the various phases of the moon. Ancient Kartvelians worshipped the moon and the cult of the wolf (also associated with the moon), that's why the name Georgia was given to it, from the word "Gurgen" or "Wolf". This is why the writing in Asomtvaruli is so spherical and circular in design and it hides many astrological secrets as well!
This is pure speculation. There is no evidence or reasonable theory about it. Also, only the Asomtavruli letter that kind of looks like the moon phase is "A - ani"
It's pronounced as it's written. I assume you mean the original use of "Asomtavruli" had a typo in it? Either way, if there is a hypothesis about Asomtavruli being a bastardized form of the Asomtvaruli, I've never seen proof of it. Are there any scriptures, any books or letters that make use of your proposed version? Considering its traditional use as the capital letter at the beinning of religious texts, "mtavruli" makes perfect sense ("the leading kind"). Also, considering its age - the name first used in 16th century, until then it was (and still is) called "Mrglovani" (aka "rounded", "possessing a rounded shape") - if your hypothesis were true, it would've been Asomtovaruli, the older form of "the moon" that was in use at that time is "mtovare", not "mtvare".
Asomtavruli or Mrglovani as it is called also, was used as a form of upper case letters in the beginning of sentences next to Nuskhuri letters. It would have been nice if in modern Georgian they had kept using both Mrglovani as an upper case and Mkhesruli as a lowercase letters. That would be technically useful, too, for abbreviations, name capitalization, and other purposes.
13:15 you say there is no differences between the written and printed, but some letters do have variations, Your vids are absolutely awesome brother keep it up!
Greetings from Georgia🇬🇪❤️Thanks for popularizing Georgian culture, but one thing I would like to specify is that, there are two other languages that are Kartvelian, these are:Abkhazian spoken by Georgian Abkhazian people and Osuri, or in English it would Osetian.
I'm so happy this channel got recommended to me, it is an absolute goldmine! The tone of the presentation along with the subtle background music and the great animation makes it stand out. Such content about overlooked languages and cultures is hard to find in such digestible format.
As a Georgian (and also obsessed with linguistics) I must say, Great video, rarity to see such an unbiased and lovely video from a Turk -(who are known to be pretty nationalist on the internet).- You did butcher some of the pronounciations, but it's totally fine, I don't think I've seen a foreign person giving the pronounciations justice, even the really big and competent RUclipsrs XD
As a Georgian, I would say all of those people who speak Laz≈Megrelian, Svan and the most spread: Qartlian languages are not sub groups but rather Georgian people culturally and ethnically. None of them would say that they are not Georgians
@@Qartlos there were many studies done in the past by georgian linguists and historians, we have more than enough studies of languages we have in our borders, we even have genetic data proving the studies.
A video on hellenic languages, or on the various greek minority communities cutrently and historically in Türkiye would be pretty cool. I found it very fascinating to leanr there were at some points christian and muslim greeks, with their own dialects and writing systems
If you could, cover some of the languages of Russia (Bashkir, Tatar, Chechen, Buryat, Sakha, Erzya, Tuvan, Dargwa, etc.) it would be awesome since there is a lack of publicity to it
especially Sakha, as they told in their own Wikipedia to have official notions where 3 gods created the lands: Mani Khuldyi, Ardymai Khuldyi and he who knows buddhism, white healer, Tyryi Yashitov. Source: apocryphic texts translated by google translate before it had Sakha Kel here.
3:16 The views 2 and 3 can't hold any water considering that there are Asomtavruli writings on ancient gravestones dated 1-3 centuries AD (discovered during Nekresi excavations). View 1, on the other hand, is extra tricky due to two reasons: 1. The history of Parnavaz comes from a historian long after his supposed reign and holds some events that sound very mythologized (though that's not unheard of even for relatively modern monarchs); 2. The word used in his accounts for what Parnavaz created is "მწიგნობრობა", which basically means literature (book creation, bookmongering 😅). In short, Asomtavruli already existed at least in 3rd century AD, but we only have one plausible account for when and how exactly it was created and no evidentiary support for it. Interestingly, a relatively recent discovery during Grakliani excavations revealed a form of writing dated X-IX centuries BC that some claim to be Aramaic, but also contains letters bearing some resemblence to Asomtavruli, so, that's a whole new can of worms. The search continues.
14:09 about this. Yes, it’s true that that was supposed to have been the rule, but literally no one knew of it and everyone just used them interchangeably, so now both variants are accepted and it doesn’t matter which one you’ll use
The sound of georgian language actually was the sound of twelfth century georgian, excerpt from the poem,,ვეფხისტყაოსანი"-,,The knight in the Panther's Skin"(in original version,,Tiger's")of Shota Rustaveli,the greatest georgian poet of that time..
The car belongs to a living object not because it is capable of moving, but in our reality it had replaced a horse that used to be a living object. ძალიან საინტერესო ვიდეოა.
1:48 Georgian text says: The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. John: 20:1;
"You peel us", actually is used in daily life. Literal meaning doesn't make sense yea, but it also is a phrase - meaning that someone is ripping you off.
@@turkchap Interesting, those might even be related to each other. We have some phrases and words borrowed from Turkish.For instance in urban slang we often say sağol.
@turkchap Less commonly this phrase is also used in the context of selling something. When the seller is asking too much or expensive, buyer might say "you peel us." But the ripping of is more common slang.
artvinden tüm laz svan megrel ve gürcülere selam olsun gamarjoba ! biz kardeşiz biz biriz lazcayı svancayı megrelceyi gürcüceyi unutmayın skanus lazuri :)
Friendly reminder that “northwest and north east Caucasian languages” isn’t actually a language family. Technically all languages in caucuses are considered Caucasian languages. Northwest and north east are just bunched up together like that cause it’s way too diverse already to break them all up separately in one setting. In the northern caucuses we have Iranic, Turkic, Nakh, Avaric and many other languages of unknown origin. I’m from Dagestan and I speak an Iranic and undocumented language. The Iranic one is also technically undocumented but some would also argue it’s just a dialect of Ossetian
NorthWest and NorthEast Caucasian language families definitely exist as separate language families. Also what Iranic dialect do you speak in Dagestan? What do you call yourself? Can you elaborate on this subject?
You were kind of right about the confusion with Armenian script, however you show the difference between Mkhedruli and Armenian script, whereas the cofusion is between Asomtavruli and Armenian.
All three are the same alphabet 😀 Asomtavruli is Letter case and It was used mainly for making inscriptions on buildings. Nuskhuri is the same alphabet, only with lowercase letters, these lowercase letters were artistically embellished for writing books. Mkhedruli is also the same alphabet, but it was simplified and made easy for ordinary people to write.
I wonder how were you able to dig up this stuff. Certainly not from Wikipedia as the pages for Mingrelian, Svan and Laz are pretty empty (they're very obscure and endangered languages as you pointed out in the video).
Thanks brother for the video just we are not subgroups but We are original peoples. It was only because of our small number that we decided to live in one state, which was created by the Georgians, the largest group of us. if the Laz were with us it would be fair. Now our peoples are divided between different states and are assimilated or exterminated by Russia and their local allies. Hope all Kartvelic peoples will get their cultural autonomies in the states they live. And their assimilation and extermination stops. ❤ Anyway very interesting video. Happy you interested with our languages. ❤️
The phrase "მე ვწერ" ("me vts'er" meaning "I write") is considered grammatically redundant in Georgian because the pronoun marker ("ვ-" for "I") is already embedded in the verb itself, "ვ-წერ" ("I write"), "წერ" ("you write"), "წერს" ("he/she writes"). Thus, the subject "მე" ("I") is not necessary, as the verb alone ("ვწერ") conveys who is performing the action.
3:53 there is a stereotype of Armenians in the whole Caucasus, basically according to that stereotype it's hard to be an Armenian nationalist, on the one hand Armenia is better than everything, on the other hand everything is Armenian
12:13 actually an apple or a potato wouldn’t use the word გვფრცქვნი, as that is the incorrect term for them. georgian has two different words for peeling, one for the type that requires a peeler or a knife-თლა (tla), and one for the kind you can simply do with your hands, like a banana or onion- ფრცქვნა. ik this is just a joke but i find it an interesting distinction
@@turkchap separating the two is probably a foreign concept for most people so i wouldn’t worry about it. as a georgian it still took me a second to register that mistake lol
About the origins of Georgian script. There are only two ideas, Armenian version is so obscure, it isn't taken seriously by scientists, only by Armenians. No hate for them, but Armenians love to make some wild claims, such as the pyramids were built by them, which is hilarious. Even though Georgians are kind of a same (such as the idea that Jesus Christ was crucified in Georgia), those ultra nationalist claims shouldn't be accepted and should be thrown where they deserve.
When and where did you hear that the Christ was crucified in Georgia? So absurd. Heard many funy things from my homelanders, but not this nonsence lol.
Wow, that number system! Danish is kind of crazy, too. 80 is basically "4 twenties" and 70 is "half four twenties"...with half somehow meaning minus 10. So, 4X20-10=70?
But what if my only friend is a pen? What form of 'to have' do you use then? And thank you, Turk Chap, for listening to my comment asking you to include more linguistics in your language videos. Now, I just might subscribe.
14:28 as a Georgian I can confirm car is a living thing ... But really we don't think it's alive just its sound more flexing so Thay called it myavs, after we cempt it 😂❤
Mingrelian did face persecution and genocide between 1580-1690 and again in 1992-93, by same perpetrators Apwsas and in 90s by Ruzzians. territory from Psou to River Ghalidzga up until 1690 was ethnically Mingrelian
I see that there amongst Kartvels and Turkic existed also Caucasians and Mongolians, this makes me to think that the Kartvelian language came with the great people's migration or during the times of mongol invasions, Armenia having the Indoeuropean language suggest it being here earliest, so all the Midsea belongs to the Armenia rightfully and other 2 as the support kingdoms, it be: Armenian Throne, Georgian Crown and Azerbaijiyan Sword.
At 13:37, when you typed: "Ati Kata mq'avs" you mispronounced that sentence, because 2 in Georgian means "Ori" (ორი) So, the right pronunciation is: "Ori Kata mq'avs" (ორი კატა მყავს) ლოლ😎
As a Georgian (Svan) I can't appreciate this video enough, It is very informative and accurate, Thank you for making this bro
i love lushnu
Very glad to hear it, thank you! And very glad to see a comment from a Svan person
@@turkchap Yeah we are pretty rare 😂
And ofc I liked the vid bro, It's literally the most informative vid I've seen about Georgian people (Especially our languages)
@@Zymora-YT professional looking too
@@LURSMAND Yeah, It's done greatly
As a person studying Georgian, I audibly raised my voice in excitement screaming "YEEESS" seeing people FINALLY covering this extremely underappreciated part of the world, I strongly applaud and thank you, დიდი მადლობა
As a native Georgian I am happy to see someone learn Georgian. If you do not mind me asking, where are you from?
@@TacitusKilgore-b5g საბერძნეთიდან! :D ❤
@@Ant_Diplodicus საბერძნეთი? მიწა ბრძენ კაცთა? (The land of the wise men. and yes that's the literal translation) საბერძნეთი ჩვენი მართმადიდებელი ძმები არიან და მეც ძალიან მიყვარს თქვენი ქვეყენა, ისტრია და მიწა ❤
brother why would you do this to yourself 💔 i have tried and failed so many times and i doubt i will ever pick it up again
@@lurji I genuinely have no idea but, I have already been studying on-and-off for 2.5 years now, so all the essential grammar is over with! :D I do agree it feels like a nightmare in the beginning, but it's really not too different of a feeling than learning other languages with "difficult" grammar, you just need to get a feeling for it 👌The real problem is memorizing the verbs.. those I admit are a nightmare, even some every-day ones from how irregular they are, but nothing you can't get over ❤
I saw someone say that the Kartvelian Languages were likely much more widespread in ancient times in the Pontic Steppe and Anatolia but were pushed into modern areas by the expansion of Indo Europeans. No clue how true that is but it would explain why there’s so much linguistic influence, and why Pontic Greeks are much closer genetically to Kartvelians than any other groups, including Greeks and Turks.
This is true. The Bronze Age Kaska and Hattic languages were likely Kartvelian, and they were both displaced by Anatolian languages.
@@themadmanwithapen source
@@themadmanwithapen Hattic and Kaskian are more frequently grouped with Abkhaz-Circassian rather than Kartvelian
Zan might have been introduced into the Pontus after the Kaskians but before the Greeks
You probably saw one of my comments in such topics. Cuz less people think about DNA, sociological, historical connections through out time
@@Nastya_07 Abhkazs arent an ancient raze,nor are circrassians,Hattic and kaskians have been associated with colchians more,circrassians first came to be as jiks and although they did share that languange group it was way after the hittites
As a svan person from kabardino-balkaria, I’m so happy to see my ancestor’s language being talked about because it is a language that could disappear if we don’t keep it alive, it may seem like a simple video to you, but it really means a lot, thank you.
Hello Elena! I know there are a lot of people in Kabardino-Balkaria, who has a Svan ancestry. How is it going? Do you preserve any Svanetian traditions? or are those people identify themselves as a Svan?
@ hello ! Yes we are quite a lot of people having svan ancestors. I would say that we are aware of our heritage but the language isn’t really alive, I have the chance to know some people in svaneti that are from the same family branch as me, but it isn’t the case for everyone. However they still love the svan people and we even have the same towers here !
Greetings from your circassian brothers, bro🫂
Hello from Georgia, sister !
I'm curious how your ancestors end up to Kabardino-balkaria, I mean which period this happened when a lot of Svans moved there ?
@@skyrider11910 love you guys ❤️
As a Georgian (Mingrelian), there is no greater happiness for me than hearing someone from another nationality talk about my people and my culture. Thank you, brother.❤
as a georgian i am very happy people speaking about it, everytime a video comes out, georgia is a small country and it is rare for people to pay attention to it, this video is very informative even for a linguistics nerd like me, thank you
i have always been watching this area of the world with great interest, thanks for existing dzmao
Georgia is a very unique country. I always have so much sympathy and interest for the strong culture and history! 🇬🇪❤
@@turkchap and so do is Hayastan, Stan o Hayyk.
@@turkchap Thank you very much for such a description of my country 👍👏🇬🇪❤️
Thanks for the video! A few clarifications: 1) there is no letter or sound "n" in the name of megreli. "Mingrels" is a name distorted by the russians. From the russian name, this error entered the German and English scientific literature. The self-name of the people is Margal'ep, in Georgian - Megrelebi, hence the correct name - Megreli. 2) Megreli and Laz - until now, most linguists argue, because in fact the Megrel and Laz languages are most likely dialects of the same language. The Laz language has more Greek and Turkish borrowings than Megrelian, but these languages are quite mutually intelligible.
Thank you for this information!
that's modern internet myth bro. European Travelers were using term "Mingrelia" before Russian even arrive near our kingdoms. so, chill out bro 😄
notice how Megrel somewhat sounds close to Magyar? maybe they are of the steppe.
@@埊 Notice how Megrel also somewhat sounds close to Maghreb-maybe there's a distant link to North Africa, or megara-do you think there's a hidden connection to ancient Greece? Stop yapping
@@ROBSHOL actually Georgians have somewhat connection with greece: theyr writtings, and they are orthodox christians
Interesting fact about Georgian language: at 4:52 you broght an example მე ვწერ (me vts'er), but as ვ is a first person marker, you can remove მე and just say ვწერ, which is gramatically correct too. In Georgian, due to gramatical characteristics, we have many one word sentences.
Thanks for the info. We have a similar logic in Turkish as well.
@@turkchapEvet abi, dogrudur..Türkçr okurkren sunu ogreneyilevçok sasirtdim ❤
so the 'me cer', is correct?
c is spoken as ts in poland
@@埊 no, me vcer or vcer is correct. shen cer or just "cer" means "you write".
@@gvn1111 but since 'me cer' contains the me, why isnt it incorrect still吗
Overall, this video is an outstanding piece of work. As a Georgian, I thank you deeply for your dedication and interest in the Kartvelian languages!
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! Georgia is such an interesting country with a unique language. I visited the country a few years ago and was blown away by how beautiful it is. I really want to visit again soon.
Georgian here and great video, although there is something I would like to add. There is some amount of evidence that written Georgian actually did exist in the antiquity, as there are a few sources mentioning written communication between proto Georgian kingdoms and the Hellenic world at the time. There is also evidence of written laws existing in Georgia, as some of those archaic laws still survive in high mountain regions of the country, such as Tusheti. Additionally, according to the story of Georgia's Christianization in 5th century AD, king Miriam destroyed all the pre existing scripture and replaced it with Christian scripture, which implies that some sort of a writing script existed before Christianization.
also, how the hell would there be inscriptions in 5th or even 6th century almost a continent away 11:11 if there was not an established alphabet well before that? it's not like some armenian guy invented georgian and and in the same century spead it on several continents via RUclips or TikTok 😀 right?
excuse me, I'm not an expert, but seems very unlikely to me; please correct me if I'm wrong
I’m a proud Megrelian - Colchian - Georgian! My native language Megrelian is ancient language in the world, we love and respect our native language, as our lovely Georgian language also. But Megrelian-Laz and Svan language need to defend, government must to do everything m, to protect our languages l.
Another amazing video, the quality is fantastic and I always find your videos educational and interesting. Teşekkürler
Glad to hear that! Thank you :)
Very enjoyable video. A small channel with high production quality is always a nice thing to find. I subscribed. Keep up the vids and let’s watch this channel grow!
Thanks for the sub! More videos are on the way 🙂
There is an entire Georgian city in Isfahan provinc. I visited it and it was so unique.
Imagine Iranized Shia Georigians 💀
Although there have been Georgian migrations into Iran - sometimes voluntary, but mainly forced - since the time of shah Tahmasp I, the presence of a large Georgian community in Iran dates mainly from the reign of shah Abbas I. During the Persian punitive campaign undertaken in eastern Georgia by Shah Abbas in 1614-17 against his (formerly most loyal) Georgian subject Teimuraz I, both the region of Kakheti and the city of Tbilisi were devastated, and a large part of the population forced into exile. Soon after the triumphal return of Shah Abbas to Persia in 1617 following his Georgian campaign, some 200,000 ethnic Georgians from Kakheti were banished to Isfahan province, Fereydan county, and other regions in mainland Persia, such as in the north (present day Mazandaran province, Gilan province). Under forced labour,[1] Georgians constructed bridges and organized the improvement of the farmlands of the Fereydan valley.[2] After their forced migration, Persianization, and islamisation,[3] few of the Fereydan Georgians were able to maintain any contact with their motherland. They did, however manage to retain their mother tongue, the Georgian language, which, to this day, they call Pereidnuli (and which is mutually intelligible with East Georgian dialects). Today, the number of Fereydan Georgians exceeds 100,000 individuals, while the total number of Iranian Georgians in the country as a whole (to say nothing of Iranians claiming Georgian ancestry) constitutes a far greater number, running into the millions - the result of successive waves of Georgian migration occurring between the 16th and 19th centuries.
sounds like a nightmare, hopefully they convert back to Orthodoxy
@@Giorginhono sounds like heaven,they're very patriotic
Amini sasoi georgian xui👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎👎
Another awesome vid on such underrated languages. Really looking forward to your future vids on different language families.
Glad you like them! Thank you 🙂
Thank u for the informative content. As a Georgian I deeply appreciated
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for this accurate and informative video. Looking forward to see other videos.
This video is accurate and informative. Great job! You even mentioned that Georgians consider a car to be a living object.
Thank you!
My dad is laz ! I cant speak it fully but I can speak a bit! He is fluent in it!
Pretty cool!
You are killing your people "a bit" and that's the dad's fault 100%. but you can fix it. try, learn, give it years. that's who you are.
If your dad is Laz then so are you
❤❤❤დედა ენა დედა მიწა დედა ქალაქი ❤❤❤
@@C43S4R3yes, my dad wanted to teach me but we always spoke in Turkish. I have started to try and learn it recently :)
Cool and informative video, I love the presentation style.
Any plans to make such a similar video about semitic languages?
Thank you so much, very glad to hear! Yes, Semitic and Iranic languages are planned but I have more videos before them. Stay tuned in :)
@turkchap awesome! Subscribed already 🙂
A lot of people, including many Georgians, don't know that the oldest Georgian writing style Asomtavruli is actually pronounced "Asomtvaruli" - which translates as "Moon Letters" and is based both on shape and meaning of the various phases of the moon. Ancient Kartvelians worshipped the moon and the cult of the wolf (also associated with the moon), that's why the name Georgia was given to it, from the word "Gurgen" or "Wolf". This is why the writing in Asomtvaruli is so spherical and circular in design and it hides many astrological secrets as well!
This is pure speculation. There is no evidence or reasonable theory about it. Also, only the Asomtavruli letter that kind of looks like the moon phase is "A - ani"
It's pronounced as it's written. I assume you mean the original use of "Asomtavruli" had a typo in it? Either way, if there is a hypothesis about Asomtavruli being a bastardized form of the Asomtvaruli, I've never seen proof of it. Are there any scriptures, any books or letters that make use of your proposed version?
Considering its traditional use as the capital letter at the beinning of religious texts, "mtavruli" makes perfect sense ("the leading kind"). Also, considering its age - the name first used in 16th century, until then it was (and still is) called "Mrglovani" (aka "rounded", "possessing a rounded shape") - if your hypothesis were true, it would've been Asomtovaruli, the older form of "the moon" that was in use at that time is "mtovare", not "mtvare".
Asomtavruli or Mrglovani as it is called also, was used as a form of upper case letters in the beginning of sentences next to Nuskhuri letters. It would have been nice if in modern Georgian they had kept using both Mrglovani as an upper case and Mkhesruli as a lowercase letters. That would be technically useful, too, for abbreviations, name capitalization, and other purposes.
I love how you use “Kartvelian” because its kinda impressive that youre not georgian and still say it like that. good job❤
Thank you! :)
Thanks for this video, it's great to see history of my country also being explained by others
Thank you 🇬🇪❤️
Wow, turkish channel talking about Georgian language! Amazing, thank you!
P.S. Im Svan/Svani georgian..
Thank you too! It's amazing how many Svan people have commented under this video :)
13:15 you say there is no differences between the written and printed, but some letters do have variations, Your vids are absolutely awesome brother keep it up!
Oh yeah I see, I should have said most letters, not all letters. Thanks for the correction!
@@turkchap its fine, i know how tough making videos are, plus you're so smart and your style is awesome!
Thank you very much for this absolutely amazing and detailed video , i appreciate that!!! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏❤❤❤❤❤
Greetings from Georgia🇬🇪❤️Thanks for popularizing Georgian culture, but one thing I would like to specify is that, there are two other languages that are Kartvelian, these are:Abkhazian spoken by Georgian Abkhazian people and Osuri, or in English it would Osetian.
I'm so happy this channel got recommended to me, it is an absolute goldmine! The tone of the presentation along with the subtle background music and the great animation makes it stand out. Such content about overlooked languages and cultures is hard to find in such digestible format.
Wow, thank you!
@@turkchap Anytime! Keep up the good work :) Cheers from Hungary
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As a Georgian (and also obsessed with linguistics) I must say, Great video, rarity to see such an unbiased and lovely video from a Turk -(who are known to be pretty nationalist on the internet).- You did butcher some of the pronounciations, but it's totally fine, I don't think I've seen a foreign person giving the pronounciations justice, even the really big and competent RUclipsrs XD
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks 🇬🇪❤️
Wow! I really love these videos, please make more such videos.
Thank you! Will do!
@@turkchap I suggest you create a video on the Hellenic languages of Greece and surrounding regions.
@@Rhythm412 It's already in my list of videos :)
@@turkchap no it's not there, I meant create a separate video on Hellenic languages.
@@Rhythm412 I mean list of future videos
As a Georgian, I would say all of those people who speak Laz≈Megrelian, Svan and the most spread: Qartlian languages are not sub groups but rather Georgian people culturally and ethnically. None of them would say that they are not Georgians
I think all of the dialects and languages of Georgian descent should be studied in Georgia
@@Qartlos there were many studies done in the past by georgian linguists and historians, we have more than enough studies of languages we have in our borders, we even have genetic data proving the studies.
A video on hellenic languages, or on the various greek minority communities cutrently and historically in Türkiye would be pretty cool. I found it very fascinating to leanr there were at some points christian and muslim greeks, with their own dialects and writing systems
I am planning to make a video about the Hellenic languages for sure :)
I'm Georgian and even I learned some new details, wow really great work, thanks for that.
Awesome! Thank you!
Thanks, it was a very informative video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
If you could, cover some of the languages of Russia (Bashkir, Tatar, Chechen, Buryat, Sakha, Erzya, Tuvan, Dargwa, etc.) it would be awesome since there is a lack of publicity to it
I have many language families in my list. Definitely, will do a segment in Russia’s languages. So much history and diversity there
Bashkir and Chechen are comletly different languages
especially Sakha, as they told in their own Wikipedia to have official notions where 3 gods created the lands: Mani Khuldyi, Ardymai Khuldyi and he who knows buddhism, white healer, Tyryi Yashitov. Source: apocryphic texts translated by google translate before it had Sakha Kel here.
@@shalvabichelashvili3016 I never said they were the same, I was listing languages to cover
@@埊 hell yeah, I do love indigenous religions
Thank You very much for Your video!
Thanks for watching
3:16 The views 2 and 3 can't hold any water considering that there are Asomtavruli writings on ancient gravestones dated 1-3 centuries AD (discovered during Nekresi excavations).
View 1, on the other hand, is extra tricky due to two reasons: 1. The history of Parnavaz comes from a historian long after his supposed reign and holds some events that sound very mythologized (though that's not unheard of even for relatively modern monarchs); 2. The word used in his accounts for what Parnavaz created is "მწიგნობრობა", which basically means literature (book creation, bookmongering 😅).
In short, Asomtavruli already existed at least in 3rd century AD, but we only have one plausible account for when and how exactly it was created and no evidentiary support for it.
Interestingly, a relatively recent discovery during Grakliani excavations revealed a form of writing dated X-IX centuries BC that some claim to be Aramaic, but also contains letters bearing some resemblence to Asomtavruli, so, that's a whole new can of worms.
The search continues.
Incredible video !! Please talk about the Chukotko-Kamchatkan languages next !!
Many more lesser-known language families are on the way
14:09 about this. Yes, it’s true that that was supposed to have been the rule, but literally no one knew of it and everyone just used them interchangeably, so now both variants are accepted and it doesn’t matter which one you’ll use
საქართველოს გაუმარჯოს 🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪
Well done! Nice research!
So accurate wow. As a Georgian I’m quite shocked you have covered everything accurately
მადლობა ჩემო მეგობარო!
The sound of georgian language actually was the sound of twelfth century georgian, excerpt from the poem,,ვეფხისტყაოსანი"-,,The knight in the Panther's Skin"(in original version,,Tiger's")of Shota Rustaveli,the greatest georgian poet of that time..
Yes, I heard that it has a great importance in the Georgian culture and history
The car belongs to a living object not because it is capable of moving, but in our reality it had replaced a horse that used to be a living object.
ძალიან საინტერესო ვიდეოა.
Thanks for info
'bain saintereso videos' 他写了。
Thank you for this video ❤
It is very accurate video. Great Job. Thank you.
Thank you, I appreciate it!
+1 subscriber. mashaallah, abi! Good job!
Thank you!
1:48 Georgian text says: The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. John: 20:1;
"You peel us", actually is used in daily life. Literal meaning doesn't make sense yea, but it also is a phrase - meaning that someone is ripping you off.
Cool! We have a similar thing in Turkish. “Soymak” means “to peel” but we also use it in the context of being ripped off.
@@turkchap Interesting, those might even be related to each other. We have some phrases and words borrowed from Turkish.For instance in urban slang we often say sağol.
@turkchap Less commonly this phrase is also used in the context of selling something. When the seller is asking too much or expensive, buyer might say "you peel us."
But the ripping of is more common slang.
oberashnas
artvinden tüm laz svan megrel ve gürcülere selam olsun gamarjoba ! biz kardeşiz biz biriz lazcayı svancayı megrelceyi gürcüceyi unutmayın skanus lazuri :)
Friendly reminder that “northwest and north east Caucasian languages” isn’t actually a language family. Technically all languages in caucuses are considered Caucasian languages. Northwest and north east are just bunched up together like that cause it’s way too diverse already to break them all up separately in one setting. In the northern caucuses we have Iranic, Turkic, Nakh, Avaric and many other languages of unknown origin. I’m from Dagestan and I speak an Iranic and undocumented language. The Iranic one is also technically undocumented but some would also argue it’s just a dialect of Ossetian
Your language is undocumented? So it isn't Tat, Judeo-Tat or Ossetian.
What do you call yourself?
The terms Northwest and Northeast Caucasian actually refer to the Abkhaz-Circassian and Nakh-Dagestani families specifically
@@Nastya_07lol just say Circassian, the Abkhaz that live currently in north western georgia are (mostly) just northern caucasus immigrants
@@DaTrainMan Abkhaz is a separate language from Circassian
NorthWest and NorthEast Caucasian language families definitely exist as separate language families. Also what Iranic dialect do you speak in Dagestan? What do you call yourself? Can you elaborate on this subject?
Such a good video, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
ძალიან კარგი ვიდეოა წარმატებები მეგობარო
💕💕🙌🙌
მადლობა ჩემო მეგობარო! სალამი საქართველოს 🇬🇪❤️
whats the reason that kartvelian o is so similiar to r?
@@埊 i dont think same you mean this two letter ? (ო r)
@@gugamamulashvili1860 i mean kartvelian o similiar to kartvelian r, not latin r
We (Kartvelians) miss our Laz brothers ))❤
You were kind of right about the confusion with Armenian script, however you show the difference between Mkhedruli and Armenian script, whereas the cofusion is between Asomtavruli and Armenian.
@@dodekae I think regardless of the Georgian script, many people confuse them with the Armenian script.
Thank you.
Thanks for watching 🙏
thank you for this video
Thank you 🙏
Let’s go Georgian history! I’m in
thanks for video
BTW, 15:30 it is old georgian
Great video ❤❤❤😊
paleo siberian languages next?
Definitely! But I have a few more videos first :)
დიდი მადლობა! გაიხარე!
მადლობა ჩემო მეგობარო
Vid suggestion:All Sino-Tibetan languages explained
Will you be covering a video about the Iranian languages or the other languages of the Caucasus?
Definitely! They are in my list
All three are the same alphabet 😀 Asomtavruli is Letter case and It was used mainly for making inscriptions on buildings. Nuskhuri is the same alphabet, only with lowercase letters, these lowercase letters were artistically embellished for writing books. Mkhedruli is also the same alphabet, but it was simplified and made easy for ordinary people to write.
I wonder how were you able to dig up this stuff. Certainly not from Wikipedia as the pages for Mingrelian, Svan and Laz are pretty empty (they're very obscure and endangered languages as you pointed out in the video).
I just read a lot :)
Thanks brother for the video just we are not subgroups but We are original peoples. It was only because of our small number that we decided to live in one state, which was created by the Georgians, the largest group of us. if the Laz were with us it would be fair. Now our peoples are divided between different states and are assimilated or exterminated by Russia and their local allies. Hope all Kartvelic peoples will get their cultural autonomies in the states they live. And their assimilation and extermination stops. ❤ Anyway very interesting video. Happy you interested with our languages. ❤️
დიდი მადლობა!
My pleasure :)
Can you do all vlach langueges?
Can You make All Na dené languages explainded?
11:57 What is this Georgian Font and where did you find it?
The phrase "მე ვწერ" ("me vts'er" meaning "I write") is considered grammatically redundant in Georgian because the pronoun marker ("ვ-" for "I") is already embedded in the verb itself, "ვ-წერ" ("I write"), "წერ" ("you write"), "წერს" ("he/she writes"). Thus, the subject "მე" ("I") is not necessary, as the verb alone ("ვწერ") conveys who is performing the action.
Everything was fine except about Georgian Script. It’s much older than 3rd BCE and of course Armenians are just being armenian 😅
3:53 there is a stereotype of Armenians in the whole Caucasus, basically according to that stereotype it's hard to be an Armenian nationalist, on the one hand Armenia is better than everything, on the other hand everything is Armenian
12:13 actually an apple or a potato wouldn’t use the word გვფრცქვნი, as that is the incorrect term for them. georgian has two different words for peeling, one for the type that requires a peeler or a knife-თლა (tla), and one for the kind you can simply do with your hands, like a banana or onion- ფრცქვნა. ik this is just a joke but i find it an interesting distinction
Yeah, it was supposed to be a joke but I guess I failed 😅
@@turkchap separating the two is probably a foreign concept for most people so i wouldn’t worry about it. as a georgian it still took me a second to register that mistake lol
next sino-tibetan languages or tibeto-burmese please
Thank you bro, but, why this music ??? Why did you choose sad music? You created a video about Georgia, it is logical to insert Georgian music!
Slow piano songs are my personal signature
About the origins of Georgian script. There are only two ideas, Armenian version is so obscure, it isn't taken seriously by scientists, only by Armenians. No hate for them, but Armenians love to make some wild claims, such as the pyramids were built by them, which is hilarious. Even though Georgians are kind of a same (such as the idea that Jesus Christ was crucified in Georgia), those ultra nationalist claims shouldn't be accepted and should be thrown where they deserve.
When and where did you hear that the Christ was crucified in Georgia? So absurd. Heard many funy things from my homelanders, but not this nonsence lol.
მადლობა
Thanks!
Wow, that number system! Danish is kind of crazy, too. 80 is basically "4 twenties" and 70 is "half four twenties"...with half somehow meaning minus 10. So, 4X20-10=70?
Hahaha crazy 😅
ოთხმოცი 80 "4 twenties"
სამოცდაათი 70 "sixty and ten"
But what if my only friend is a pen? What form of 'to have' do you use then? And thank you, Turk Chap, for listening to my comment asking you to include more linguistics in your language videos. Now, I just might subscribe.
I wish i knew megruli
But alas
I only know kartuli
Thanks. 🙏🙏🙏❤️✊️🇬🇪🇬🇪🇬🇪
Mongolian's gender-neutral too
Yeap! 🇲🇳❤
14:28 as a Georgian I can confirm car is a living thing ...
But really we don't think it's alive just its sound more flexing so Thay called it myavs, after we cempt it 😂❤
гамарджоба из россии! (я не грузин, мне просто нравятся языки)
Gamarjoba! 🇬🇪❤
@turkchap gamarjoba! i appreciate your explanation videos, please do one on the afro-asiatic languages if possible. all the love 💙💙💙
🙏🏻
I wonder what peoples mentioned in the Greek and Roman sources were actually Kartvelian?
Perhaps Colchis. They were succeeded by a small-scale laz empire, after all.
კოლხები, დღევანდელი მეგრელები ლაზები და სვანები, პირდაპირი შთამომავლები არიან კოლხების.
there is small typo, in cat section, you wrote ati (10), instead of ori (2)
Mingrelian did face persecution and genocide between 1580-1690 and again in 1992-93, by same perpetrators Apwsas and in 90s by Ruzzians. territory from Psou to River Ghalidzga up until 1690 was ethnically Mingrelian
If cars are considered "living" because they move, are plants "non-living"?
Deep thoughts. But I guess not haha
I love this series keep it up love from Pakistan
Thank you!
I mean everything good but why did u remove aphkazia and samachablo from our land?
Do you see me separating them with a country border? I guess not
as an georgian i love this vid
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Thanks
Thank you!
I see that there amongst Kartvels and Turkic existed also Caucasians and Mongolians, this makes me to think that the Kartvelian language came with the great people's migration or during the times of mongol invasions, Armenia having the Indoeuropean language suggest it being here earliest, so all the Midsea belongs to the Armenia rightfully and other 2 as the support kingdoms, it be: Armenian Throne, Georgian Crown and Azerbaijiyan Sword.
Well, pal, It seems to me you weren't the smartest kid in the class.
@@giopa110888 and thou do seem to resemble a type of man who says somethings wrong and doesnt say what is wrong.
im georgian too (svan)
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ჩვენ ვართ ქართველები. Ამინ🙏
At 13:37, when you typed:
"Ati Kata mq'avs"
you mispronounced that sentence, because 2 in Georgian means "Ori" (ორი)
So, the right pronunciation is:
"Ori Kata mq'avs"
(ორი კატა მყავს)
ლოლ😎
Svan sounds a lot like North caucasian language to me, very similar accent to ossetian.
Perhaps throughout centuries, both languages have affected each other’s phonetics.
Ossetians are Indo-Europeans, like Armenians; they have nothing in common with Georgians, including the Svans.
@@m.m.3653 they are north caucasians and relatives to the adyge people, genetical spoken.