I'm Sakha/Yakut, culturally and genetically Mongols may seem closer to us, but linguistically even the Turkish language would be more understable for us than Mongolian. We have many loanwords from Mongolian, but their language is totally incomprehensible for us. I'd say that Mongols and Turkics are as close as the Balts and Slavs, or as Greeks and Armenians, or Ancient Egyptians and the Hebrews etc. Two neighboring nations, physically and culturally resembling each other.
Moreover, as a turkish man we are a turkic + iranic + grecoroman mixture as well. But in conclusion, turkic people are turkic people culturally, this is essentially enough for us.
@@serkankinden5150geneticallywise Yakuts and Mongols are Tungusians, Altaians, Kyrghyzs, Kuban Nogays, Lithuanian Tatars ccare Turkic, and Turks are Anatolian
@@HusticeBoxer23 how come uzbeks are real turks, if they are turkified persians? just like uyghurs, whose ancestors are Tocharians who spoke an Indo-European language. I think it's hard to say exactly who are the 'real Turks'.
The Turks did not actually encounter Islam through the Battle of Talas; they were introduced to Islam earlier, during the time of the Umayyads through the general Qutaybah. Due to the rigid and Arab-centered approach of the Umayyads, which glorified Arab lineage, the Turks did not convert to Islam and instead fought against them. After the Battle of Talas, however, contrary to popular belief, the Turks did not convert to Islam in large numbers, except for mercenaries and slave soldiers. As you may know from history lessons, the first Turkish state leader to officially embrace Islam was Almış Khan, the leader of the Volga Bulgars, in 922. This is also mentioned in the travelogue of Ibn Fadlan, who was sent by the Abbasid caliph to teach Islam and foster alliances (he also provides information about the Tengrist Oghuz Turks, who were subject to the Jewish Khazar Turks at the time - it's definitely worth reading). Even though Almış Khan converted to Islam, his people did not immediately convert in large numbers. However, 12 years later, in 934, Satuk Buğra Khan, the leader of the Karakhanid state, along with his people, converted to Islam in large groups. The first Turkish Islamic state to be founded as a Muslim entity was the Ghaznavids. As for the Oghuz Turks, at the end of the 10th century, they split from the Oghuz Yabgu state under Seljuk Bey, along with the tribes loyal to him, and moved south to settle in the city of Cend. There, they allied with the Samanids, who were either Persian or Tajik, and through them, they learned about Islam and converted. This is why many of our religious terms, such as fasting, prophet, prayer, supplication, ablution, etc., have Persian roots. Afterward, as you know, we eventually moved into Anatolia and continued from there...
Originally they were completely separate peoples; Turks are originating from north Asia, Mongols most likely east Asia. The similarities are simply results of interaction. The same can be observed in western Turks; when they moved westward, they started to resemble western peoples both culturally and physically.
At least one clever person here, that’s good. how can turkic people may have the same root with Mongols?! R1a, R1b and J2 are typical gaplogroup a for turkic people, while C3, O are typical for Mongols and Tungusians. Turkic originated from Altai - South Siberia, while Mongols Amur river - East Asia
@@NoName-sz7fjhaplogroup of og turkic is Q, N, C, and R Haplogroup of mongolic are C, N, and O. But their autosomal are similar just Turks are more western admixed and mongolic started receive admixtures from yellow river neolithic population just like southern tungusic people.
@@mimorisenpai8540 yes, Q you are right (the same root as R1) and widely represented among Karakalpaks, Turkmens and Native Americans, but N is finno-ugorian and Tunguso-Mongolian, and C is Tunguso-Mongolian
Na verdade eles eram tão similares que muitas vezes se confundiam, ha relatos históricos dos chineses sobre esse fato. Mas os turcos vieram do ocidente e eram varias tribos diferentes tanto em lingua quanto em aparência, o mesmo ocorreu para os mongóis. Diz que eles se confundiam entre si. E houve varios dominios de kãs que unificaram eles, incluindo os turco, mongois e os tunguns.
@@NoName-sz7fj R1a and R1b are indo european haplogroup as far as i know. It all started in steppe of Ukraine So Karakaplak might have been indo european speaker who were "converted" to another tribe.
Turkic and Mongolic share a common urheimat and sprachbund along with Tungusic and as a result many cognates but still are two different ethno-linguistic groups as even the numerals are different with 4 being the only exception
Mongols and turk is a term for historical legacy not an ethnicity Mongols and turks aren't single ethnic people there are enormous number ofethnic tribes who call themselves mongol or turk Ex , khazakh turk, Uzbek turk,bolghar turk,oghuz turk etc Naiman mongol,khorchin mongol,chahar mongol,khoit mongol,torghut mongol etc.
I SAW SO MANY PEOPLE SAYING MONGOLS ARE TURKICS BUT HERE IS EXAMPLE (COMMENT I WRITE ON SOMEONE) READ ALL OF WORDS IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT I smell huge lie here Genghis khan (Chengis haan) was Mongol 100% He was born in nearby onon river (Mongolian river which is today in Mongolian province called Hentii maybe Khentii) place called "Deluun boldog" Father was Esuhei son of Khamag Mongol's khan Mother was Oulen eh wife of Esuhei they were Mongols There is no proof such Chengis khan is Turkic I dont saw any logical proof I only saw few more propaganda just people saying Ghengis khan is Mongol But bro listen you guys dont even know Mongolian old language You guys dont even ride horse and move another place to another We are all different just accept it Its your government's propaganda that they are using advantage they have Mongolia is so weak and poor now they are just using it Genetically we are different religion life style I dont even see any similar thing And simple example is Mongols used to greeting each other by season like "Saihan namarjaj baina uu? Saihan zusaj baina uu? Saihan ovoljoj baina uu?" It means "Is your Winter good?" I mean it sounds weird in english but thats proof that we are 100% different And well other nations like Europeans they greetings by time of day like "Good morning Good evening" Mongols are only people who greeting by season
As a Mongolian we are ancient Hunnu or Turks, in western Mongolia we seems like middle of central Mongolian Kalkh and Kazakhs, linguisticly and culturally. We are differentate by many cultural affects, especially in mongols had big influences from China under the 200 years, but we survived as a nation and holded our homeland for 4000 years
Lets not argue everyone. Point is we still alive today we may related may not but still living under same sky . In earth every one is related so lets not decide whos rigth whos wrong. We have so many cultural diffrence but not that too close that not gonna make us divided. We once united.❤️🩹
Genghis Khans invasion was made largely by Turkic speaking tribes, many of which is now contained in Kazakh nation and other Turkic speaking nations like bashkirs, Uzbeks, tatars etc. While Genghis khan himself was mongol, he formed his army from uniting turkic tribes hence his title was Turkic word Khan and not mongol title khuntaishi, and hence Turkic people live and speak Turkic language on the lands of east europe, Middle East and Central Asia.
It seems like you haven't researched the word "Khuntaij" yet. This word is only used by Mongolian Khan's advisors, officials, and higher classes that are below Khan's authority. The word "Khan" has been used for centuries by Proto-Mongols as the language evolves, and only used as a title for the ruler of the steppe just like Turkic language does. So, the word "Khuntaij" is respect to the Khan usually in greeting
There is a Hun state, but historical records about a Hun nation are limited. The reason for this is that there was actually no such thing as a Hun nation. "Hun" (Xiongnu) is the name of a state, a multi-ethnic entity established by nomadic peoples to fight against China. The "Hun" language was a common language created to facilitate communication between these different nomadic peoples during warfare. Most of the words that have survived from the Hun language are military and numerical terms. When the Hun state came to an end, the Hun language also disappeared. Today, the peoples you separate as Mongols and Turks are all Huns. Most of the words that have reached us from the Hun language today are military terms and numbers. Similarly, the words in the Hun language are short and concise. This is because they were designed to ensure clear communication and quick responses during warfare.
Mongolic people actually quite close with tungusic people and they use to only restrict in khingan range before migrate westward due to fall of uyghur khaganate
How can turkic people may have the same root with Mongols?! R1a, R1b and J2 are typical gaplogroup for turkic people, while C3, O are typical for Mongols and Tungusians. They get close through interaction but not originated from one root. Altay is homeland of Turkic people, Amur river banks is homeland of Mongols.
The claim highlights these haplogroups oversimplifies the genetic history of central and inner Asia. The C3 haplogroup more predominant in Mongolic and certain Tungusic and Siberian groups are also found in Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and many other Kipchak groups. The reason behind why this haplogroup is present in so many Kazakh population is that in during Golden Horde, many Mongols immigrated into Central Asia, resulting in intermixing between these two groups. Altai-Sayan region is considered the Turkic homeland is also genetically tied to Mongolic people. Studies show that Turkic groups exhibit East Eurasian genetic markers which are common among Mongolic groups. To prove this, early steppe empire like Xiongnu are hypothesized to include ancestors of both Turkic and Mongolic people. The Xiongnu, being a multi-ethnic empire contribute to to the genetic and cultural formations of these both groups.
@@igidi4424 then why C3 is 0% among Lithuanian Tatars (but R1a - 50%, R1b - 10%, J2 - 20%) - in fact their ancestors are an elite and warriors of Golden Horde?;) The answer is easy: widespread of C3 among Kazakhs is a result of Kalmyk immigration westwards (Jungars). They intermarried with Turkic women of Kazakh steppes having their children speaking turkic language but bearing C3 haplogroup. Means that Kazakh men lost to Jungars but they managed to assimilate Jungars
Not at all . Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are more of Cousins. N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols . Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople. Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different . Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears. Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@@bobfaam5215 You are mistaken. Turks, Mongols and Tungus are three subbrancehes of the Altaic peoples. Mongols are not Tungus. Mongols are a subbranch of their own. Koreans, Japanese, Manchu peoples, Hui people and some peoples of North east Siberia are Tungusic.
This video is wrong, there is no evidence for indoeuropean existence in siberia. Indoeuropeans are not only one people having west eurasian genetics, even west eurasia is not special to indoeuropean language. Oldest indoeuropean language is anatolian.
Anatolian languages are not IE and Proto-IE developed somewhere in southern Siberia and the Central Asian steppes. And nobody said West Eurasians were only IE but that the Indo-Europeans were one of the people that descended from them. West Eurasians were basically Caucasians.
Mongols and Turks are different people. There are similiarties with Turkic nations of course e.g. Kazakhstan but not with Anatolian Turks. I respect everyone and uniqueness is everywhere, but Mongolia and the Mongols have a particular history which people are trying to merge into something else.
Scythian is R1a-Z93 (65% Kyrgyzs, 58% Altaians, 82% Khotons, up to 60% other Turkic people leaving in modern-day Russia), but Oghuz Turks, especially those in Anatolia doesn’t have the visible share of Z93
Mongols and Turkic people are the same.The only difference is Mongols speak Mongolic languages and Turkic people speak Turkic languages.Many Mongols live in Kazakhstan and those Mongols can speak Kazakh as well.
if they were the same they would speak same language there is no exception in this within cultural anthropology. initially genetically same people tend to speak in common language but its not the case for turkic and mongolic peoples.
It is true that the Mongols retained their ancestral lands from the Xiongnu, but it is a lie that the Mongols were poorly distributed during the Mongol Empire. The Mongols were divided into four states, but the leaders and dominant tribes were Mongols. However, the Mongols were divided and fell into civil war, so they had no choice but to seek help from other Turkic groups. Their main evidence is the Chagatai khanate (Chagatai Ulus) Golden horde (Zuchi Ulus). These groups are called Turkic-Mongolic groups. They believed themselves to be Mongols until the 18th century. The main evidence is the great migration of the Kazakh khanate, they actually moved to Mongolia to their ancestral lands, but the Dzungar khanate (Oirats) Mongolian forest people (Oirats) did not consider them Mongols and attacked and annihilated them many times. The Kazakhs have made many films about this, but this is not the work of the current Mongolia, the North Yuan dynasty. Another example is Mogolstan, who believed themselves to be Mongols, but were also destroyed by the Oirats. Another example is Timur Khan, who believed himself to be Mongols and who had the intention of re-establishing the great Mongol Empire, but died before conquering the Ming dynasty, his descendants conquered India and founded the Mughal Empire (Mongol empire), fulfilling the dream of their ancestors. However, the beliefs, religion, clothing, houses, and language of these groups who believed themselves to be Mongols were different from the Mongols of the Mongolian plateau, which caused a great distance between them and the hostility of the Dzungar (Oirat) who made them their distant enemies, which created the conditions for the descendants of these groups to no longer call themselves Mongols, they are now Turkic people. As the Mongols of the Mongolian Plateau wanted, the Mongols of the Great Yuan dynasty became the only Mongols in the world. All known Mongols now descend from the Great Yuan and North Yuan dynasties (Oirat Mongol, Buryat Mongol, Inner Mongol, Khalh Mongol, Kylmik Mongol, Deed Mongol, Daur Mongol)
Many foreign people think that the Turks of Turkiye are mixed race with the Greeks. That's not correct. The Roman-Greeks (Rum) of Anatolia have never converted to be Turks nor changed their religion. Devshirme (very few of them were Greek of Greece mainland) is a matter and nothing to do with the Anatolian Roman-Greek people. Some Turks of Turkiye (not all of the population) are mixed with the Southern Slavic people (Yugoslav as known), mostly Serbs (and some were Croats, Makedons). The Janissaries were 90% Serbian origin. between 13th-17th centuries, too many Serbian boys (from Serbia and Bosnia today) have converted to be Janissaries, Tukified and Islamized. None of them got back to Serbian land after they retired (they get retire in their 30's) because they became different. They got married with Turks and made new generations. Not the Greeks but Yugo-Slavs.. Anatolia is a Turkland today by the migrations of Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Tatar, Turkmen, Uzbek, Uyghur and Mogol tribes that came to Anatolia. We are Turks and we know what we are.. And the Turks have mixed with the Persian people of Iran, are still in Iran (more than 50% of Iran population are Turkic today) and they have never migrated to Anatolia. Both Turkic and Mogol people are ALTAIC people. Are they the same? Nobody could draw an exact line between the 2 oldest Nations. They are mixed from the very begining. If anybody call me Turk, yes true.. if I am called Mogol, yes sure, I will be honored.. What Oguz Khan, Sultan Mehmet-II Khan, Ataturk means to me, Genghis Khan means the same.. May all Turkic, Mogol, Magyar peoples live forever in peace!
In short, the Mongols were the little brothers of the Porto-Turkic. Apart from Cengiz Khan, Mongolians have no history to speak of. (Almost all of the mongolid -looking nomadic warriors were Turkic), but they mixed with West Eurasian (Iranian or European peoples) and other East Asia or native Sibyrians poeple . Proto-Turkic 'DNA is somewhat different than that of the Medival Turkic….
@ my Grandfathers Are Khorsani Kurd (Iranic) and Oguz Turk/Turkmen ( Medieval Turkic) fight you mongols …ck mongols women’s not all east Asia Nomads are mogol you History only Chigiz Khan my Turkic Grandfather…ck mongols ,China or west Eursia Women’s you have Turkic DNA son of….
If there are multiple hundreds of millions of Turkic descent, and only 10 million of Mongol descent, then it's a genocidal belief to include Turkic as being Mongol. Except in the legitimate context where any member of the 10 million Mongols are also of some Turkic descent.
@@baibhabmazumdar007 Not Greek, but Scythian and Hittite influence. Central Asian Turks are a mixture of Mongolian, Scythian and Chinese, but they may be lucky because there are no gypsies like you.
I am very interested in blood group distribution inside true Turkic (not people of country of Turkey) and true Mongolic people. I have a feeling Turkic people will have high concentration of AB blood group as they appear to connect West Eurasian of A blood type people and East Eurasian people of B blood type while Mongolian people should be dominantly of B blood type people. I Uighurs have high concentration of AB blood type people and they are a Turkic or Turko-mongolic group
@ We've still nomadic culture. We speak Mongolian. Our dna is c2. We didn't mix other nation like others. But Kazakhs and Kyrgyzs Russifised, Turkish arabised...
@@ChagataiBorjigin you are fighting the wrong people. Turkic peoples, regardless of whether they are Arabized and Islamized or not, do not pose a threat to the Mongol-speaking peoples. I think you know who is really oppressing the Mongols in Inner Mongolia and Buratia.
@ChagataiBorjigin oh wait you've been heavily turkified by us to the point Genghis Khan and his sons thought he was a turk tatars themselves, besides what's wrong with mixing with others? We are nomads after all we Mix but still retain our identity, even your chagatai was islamized
@ Mongols were considered Tatars themselves, not Turk. Chagatai means white in Mongolian language, not islamised. We've still nomadic culture but you don't.
Genetically Mongolics contains mostly Haplo-group C3 y-dna calculates migrated from Africa to Asia more than 45000 years ago considered one of the oldest migration to Asia of Human history that's why their eyes getting smaller and protected from the Siberian freezing windy blizzard condition, but those Turkics are more like diversity of the genes and DNAs of central Asian people. Example today's Turkiyan people has genetically 30%Armenia and 30% Iranian Kurd's even some Europian and even has 10%Greece some Ashkenazi Jewish genes ... but the Central Asian like Kazakhs and Uzbeks has genetically 40% Mongolian C3 DNA, 30% Ra1 Indo- Persian 20 % Caucasian DNA etc ...
Bullshit R1a is not Indo-Persian. Iranians have 13% of it, and Indians 5-10%. Kyrghyz have 65%, Altains 58%, Khotons 82%, Lithuanian Tatars 55%, Kuban Noghais 50%, Uyghur 50%, and so on.
@ bro R1a nametowand goruhe irani bashad) It appeared in Altay 18 thousand years ago before Indo-European languages appeared. Z280 maybe IE, while Z93 is Turkic.
@@NoName-sz7fj R1a is Indo-European. By your Pan-Turkic logic, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Sorbs and Norwegians are "Turks" since they are R1a. And no, Z93 is strictly Iranian. Any Turk with this haplogroup is an assimilated Iranic.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovementthey have Z280, while Turkic is Z93. Iranian is J2 (Iranians), G2 (Ossetians) and other, but not Z93. Any Iranian tribes sharing Z93 are assimilated Turks
As a Mongolian it’s very annoying to see Turkish people claiming Atilla and Chingis khan are of their origin and not of Mongol on Historical Mongolian contents like we don’t even look the same 🤦♂️
Atilla is Turkic, actually (It is confirmed in records. He was the khan of the Huns who was Turkic himself. Even though Atilla was not his son, the previous Mongol khan appointed him as the heir of the throne.) But Gengkhis khan is Mongol.
@@BoundlessEternity_ The oldest Turkic language document that Attila did not speak is the Orkhon inscriptions. There is an inscription from the 8th century AD. The oldest Mongolian inscription is the Inscription of Hüis Tolgoi. It is believed to have been written between 580-603 AD. In other words, the Mongolian script predates the Turkic script. If you want, you can study the Xianbei script, which is the proto-Mongolian language. Scientists have not yet determined what language the Xiongnu spoke.
Yeah. I feel offended because Turkish and Turkic people keep saying the Huns, Niruns(gokturks I think I might be wrong) and Uyghurs were all Turkish/Turkic Even though Nirun was specifically Mongol ancestors. All the mongol tribes tatars, oirad, naimans hereids and even Mongols itself had been created after Uyghurs invaded Jujan(Nirun) which themselves were invaded again by the Tatars which then were invaded by khazans which th-... It's kinda like china. Genghis Khan is definitely mongol. He even claims it. And if you argue it's in his genes then we can say Mulan was mongol. Even if it did, the Turk Heritage from Genghis would've most likely Disappeared after a long time.
@@DannyDaGre4t why mongols claim naimans and Kereits are mongols? They lived in Mongolia in Genghis khan time and fight with him but they were not mongols they are Turkic speaking. They fought against mongol oirats and jungars and never caonsidered themselves mongols. Now they live in east kazakhstan are included in Kazakh nation middle juz
Mongols are not Turks. The Sumerians, Scythians, Huns and Mongols of the 12th century are Turks. Today's Mongols are alien forest tribes who came to the deserted lands of today's Mongolia (because the Turks moved to the territory of present-day Kazakhstan and from there led conquests to all sides of the earth)
Not at all . Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people. N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols . Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople. Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different . Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears. Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@ HAN Chinese is more of a Language. Not ethnicity. Even today , In terms of physical appearance , Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese and Central Chinese look very different. Inner Mongols/ Manchu / Jurchen/Northern Han Chinese/Hui Muslims/Qinghai Tibetans have the same Ethnic and Genetic Roots . All these people are TUNGU people.
@AminmunhKing-mw9px Mongols and Hungarians are not Huns. The only descendants of Huns are Bulgars. Bulgars were a Oghuric group of people that spoke lir branch of Turkic language family. There were many groups of Bulgars: Bulgars of Kuber (Bulgars that settled in Macedonia), Bulgars of Alcek (Bulgars that settled in Italy), Bulgars of Pannonnia (they then migrated to Bavaria), Bulgars of Asparukh (Danube Bulgars, they ended up creating 1 Bulgarian Empire), Bulgars of Kotrag (they ended up creating Volga Bulgars, main ancestors of the nowaday Volga Tatars), Bulgars that settled near Van Lake in modern day Turkey, Bulgars near Taurus Mountains. The earlier Avars and later Khazars might've been Oghuric speakers but ethnically Avars were a mix of Hephtalite (White Hun) migrants and other elements in them, Khazars were Tiele (?) but with a Oghuric language, so ethnically only Bulgars were European Huns of the 5 century, that later again started migrating 2 centuries later. About Hungarians being Huns it's the mythology only. Another Oghuric speaking people of the region are Chuvash, they are mostly Sabir descendants not European Huns.
@@AminmunhKing-mw9px Magyars were indeed Ugro(elite)-Oghuric(Kabar)-Turkic (Tiele+Scyth) in composition, but ethnically Bulgars were European Huns. Hungarians came much later than Bulgars.
@@numeron509 turkic speakers? First found proof of turkic language is orkhon 8th century. In mongol huis tolgoi found xianbei rouran and avar is mongol speakers proof
No they are not. They are not even cousins. Mongols are cousins to Tungusians. Mongols we’re not Nomadic, leaving in Amur region. Learn history and at least prepare for the video better!
Genghis Khan was Turk. Modern Mongolia was formed in 1923, before that they were called Khalkha, and Genghis Khan and his people, the Persians called Mogol and these tribes were Turkic (Kiyat, Dulat, Mangyt, Jalair, Kerey, Naiman, Merkit, Alchin, etc., such incidents happen in history, for example, Americans before Columbus (Indians) and after, these are completely different peoples (multicolored immigrants), ancient Uighurs and modern Uighurs, Macedonians of Alexander the Great (Greeks) and modern (Slavs), so there is a lot of confusion due to a misunderstanding of history.
@@UBchi Listen, ill-mannered semi-nomad, you need to read the original sources, not translations from Russian to Mongolian, then you will understand that the history that white people gave you, in fact, does not belong to you, if you consider yourself a descendant of the Mughals, the first question to you is: What kind are you? Because modern residents of Mongolia, for the most part, have no idea about their clan affiliation))))
@@istemiashina3256 Russians tried to keep Mongols from pan-Mongolism by introducing the idea that Khalkha, Oirat etc are different distinct groups, what do you mean by history that white people gave us? We all have the proof from history such as notes from Giovanni da Pian del Carpine, William of Rubruck, and books such as Jami' al-tawarikh (Судрын чуулган), and even from Mongoliin nuuts tovchoo (secret history of the mongols), and speaking of Khalkha Mongols, we were directly ruled by Borjigin Khans until the 20th century, which is the very clan of Chinggis Khaan, and a stele from 13th century written in Mongolian dedicated to Genghis Khan's nephew Yisungge. Please reconsider.
@@istemiashina3256 world knows history, everyone! Unlike Kazakhs who think cooking history books make them great descendants of Genghis Khan. Where else it says Genghis Khan was Kazakh 😂you second class in Turkic world, Turks say that😂
Hazara are 100% turkic. Mongolians never left their troops behind. This is a lie from our enemies the pashtoons that We are mongolian. We are turkic !!!
The first difference between us and Turks is language. The second one is genetic difference. The third one is culture or cultural mentality. Some of us are buddhists and even we have some moslems, but it doesn't mean that we are not more shamanists. Shamanism or Tengrism is very strong in Mongolia. May be the ancient Turks and Mongols had the same way of life as nomads, but nowadays I don't know any turkspeaking country that preserved this culture. All former turkspeaking areas ruled by Mongol Empire are now islamic or christian countries... Plz, don't compare a Mongol horse with Middle asian donkey... Thanks
Let me answer as a literally TENGRIST in Practice TURK (Alevi Kızılbaş)... First difference between us and you is we don't even know who you are. Genghis Khan? He was a Mongol. But his idols were Turks. And he based his empire on the Turkic traditions. For example his best man Subutai was a Turk. And he literally created 90% of his chamber from the Uyghur and Kipchak Turks. Ah I just reminded. He was calling the Toghrul Khan (The Turkic Khan who helps him to get Borte back alongside with the Jamoka) as "The Khan whom I call as Father"... Other than that? No??? Btw. As I said, I am literally Tengrist and doing same practices with the Saka Turks in Siberia while you dogs destroying all the temples with the order of China. I created more than 20 great empires, destroyed and created for 1000s of years while you are waiting your Chinese rulers order. Don't compare the Great Graywolf with the Chinese straydogs.
True . Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people. N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols . Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople. Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different . Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears. Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@bobfaam5215, what the heck are u writing? Guess you didn't understand anything that person said. And you think we are ethnically tungusic while many Kazaks and Kyrgyzs share mongol dna. I think you should go can research more about the dna. About north chinese people they do have mongol admixtures because of their time now (in inner mongolia) and during Qing dynasty other than not that much admixtures. And if you just think it from outside appearance you have no right to talk about dna, while saying this dumb sht. Then siberian turkics and groups are also ethnically tungusic from analogy.
Not at all . Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people. N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols . Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople. Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different . Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears. Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@@Iskatel.Priklyucheniy Not at all . Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people. N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols . Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople. Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different . Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears. Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
I'm Sakha/Yakut, culturally and genetically Mongols may seem closer to us, but linguistically even the Turkish language would be more understable for us than Mongolian. We have many loanwords from Mongolian, but their language is totally incomprehensible for us. I'd say that Mongols and Turkics are as close as the Balts and Slavs, or as Greeks and Armenians, or Ancient Egyptians and the Hebrews etc. Two neighboring nations, physically and culturally resembling each other.
Yakuts probably related to Tungusic peoples
No, yakuts are turkic highly. But, yakuts are close to uralic people as I think they are turkic + uralic mixture.
Moreover, as a turkish man we are a turkic + iranic + grecoroman mixture as well. But in conclusion, turkic people are turkic people culturally, this is essentially enough for us.
@@serkankinden5150geneticallywise Yakuts and Mongols are Tungusians, Altaians, Kyrghyzs, Kuban Nogays, Lithuanian Tatars ccare Turkic, and Turks are Anatolian
@@HusticeBoxer23 how come uzbeks are real turks, if they are turkified persians? just like uyghurs, whose ancestors are Tocharians who spoke an Indo-European language. I think it's hard to say exactly who are the 'real Turks'.
Greetings from the Khongirad Clan of the Buryad-Mongol Nation
The Turks did not actually encounter Islam through the Battle of Talas; they were introduced to Islam earlier, during the time of the Umayyads through the general Qutaybah. Due to the rigid and Arab-centered approach of the Umayyads, which glorified Arab lineage, the Turks did not convert to Islam and instead fought against them. After the Battle of Talas, however, contrary to popular belief, the Turks did not convert to Islam in large numbers, except for mercenaries and slave soldiers. As you may know from history lessons, the first Turkish state leader to officially embrace Islam was Almış Khan, the leader of the Volga Bulgars, in 922. This is also mentioned in the travelogue of Ibn Fadlan, who was sent by the Abbasid caliph to teach Islam and foster alliances (he also provides information about the Tengrist Oghuz Turks, who were subject to the Jewish Khazar Turks at the time - it's definitely worth reading). Even though Almış Khan converted to Islam, his people did not immediately convert in large numbers. However, 12 years later, in 934, Satuk Buğra Khan, the leader of the Karakhanid state, along with his people, converted to Islam in large groups. The first Turkish Islamic state to be founded as a Muslim entity was the Ghaznavids. As for the Oghuz Turks, at the end of the 10th century, they split from the Oghuz Yabgu state under Seljuk Bey, along with the tribes loyal to him, and moved south to settle in the city of Cend. There, they allied with the Samanids, who were either Persian or Tajik, and through them, they learned about Islam and converted. This is why many of our religious terms, such as fasting, prophet, prayer, supplication, ablution, etc., have Persian roots. Afterward, as you know, we eventually moved into Anatolia and continued from there...
Maybe, 'Almış Khan', it is better to write and change to 'Almısh Khan' for foreigners, if you like...
Hazara actually have turkic origin too but geneticist, and linguistics too focused with their mongolic origin.
Originally they were completely separate peoples; Turks are originating from north Asia, Mongols most likely east Asia. The similarities are simply results of interaction. The same can be observed in western Turks; when they moved westward, they started to resemble western peoples both culturally and physically.
At least one clever person here, that’s good. how can turkic people may have the same root with Mongols?! R1a, R1b and J2 are typical gaplogroup a for turkic people, while C3, O are typical for Mongols and Tungusians. Turkic originated from Altai - South Siberia, while Mongols Amur river - East Asia
@@NoName-sz7fjhaplogroup of og turkic is Q, N, C, and R
Haplogroup of mongolic are C, N, and O.
But their autosomal are similar just Turks are more western admixed and mongolic started receive admixtures from yellow river neolithic population just like southern tungusic people.
@@mimorisenpai8540 yes, Q you are right (the same root as R1) and widely represented among Karakalpaks, Turkmens and Native Americans, but N is finno-ugorian and Tunguso-Mongolian, and C is Tunguso-Mongolian
Na verdade eles eram tão similares que muitas vezes se confundiam, ha relatos históricos dos chineses sobre esse fato.
Mas os turcos vieram do ocidente e eram varias tribos diferentes tanto em lingua quanto em aparência, o mesmo ocorreu para os mongóis.
Diz que eles se confundiam entre si.
E houve varios dominios de kãs que unificaram eles, incluindo os turco, mongois e os tunguns.
@@NoName-sz7fj R1a and R1b are indo european haplogroup as far as i know.
It all started in steppe of Ukraine
So Karakaplak might have been indo european speaker who were "converted" to another tribe.
Turkic and Mongolic share a common urheimat and sprachbund along with Tungusic and as a result many cognates but still are two different ethno-linguistic groups as even the numerals are different with 4 being the only exception
Tungusic shares barely any cognates with Turkic. The cognates are mostly from Mongolic and the remaining few are just loans from Turkic via Mongolic.
@ODKON93 It's the Altaic sprachbund Tungusic people share with Turks and Mongols, the cognates are limited indeed
Excellent, informative and objective presentation of a complex topic.
Thank you, I'm glad that you've enjoyed it!
I saw many videos but this one is 100% accurated.
We were united by Tengrism then Truks converted into Islam and Mongols converted into Buddhism which is suck
Biz musulmonmiz
Then tell me what is tengrism?
@@MongoliaEmpire Basically, shamanism. Mongolia's religion was the sky
@@MongoliaEmpire worshipping mother earth and eternal blue sky. Respecting nature
@@AliMuhammadov-nk5ut Islam is propaganda shit.
A highly informative video. I am Mongol.
May Lord Tengri bless the Turks and Mongols.
Mongols and turk is a term for historical legacy not an ethnicity
Mongols and turks aren't single ethnic people there are enormous number ofethnic tribes who call themselves mongol or turk
Ex , khazakh turk, Uzbek turk,bolghar turk,oghuz turk etc
Naiman mongol,khorchin mongol,chahar mongol,khoit mongol,torghut mongol etc.
Distant cousins whose ancestors were multi ethnic and shared the same culture.
I SAW SO MANY PEOPLE SAYING MONGOLS ARE TURKICS BUT HERE IS EXAMPLE (COMMENT I WRITE ON SOMEONE)
READ ALL OF WORDS IF YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT
I smell huge lie here Genghis khan (Chengis haan) was Mongol 100% He was born in nearby onon river (Mongolian river which is today in Mongolian province called Hentii maybe Khentii) place called "Deluun boldog" Father was Esuhei son of Khamag Mongol's khan Mother was Oulen eh wife of Esuhei they were Mongols There is no proof such Chengis khan is Turkic I dont saw any logical proof I only saw few more propaganda just people saying Ghengis khan is Mongol But bro listen you guys dont even know Mongolian old language You guys dont even ride horse and move another place to another We are all different just accept it Its your government's propaganda that they are using advantage they have Mongolia is so weak and poor now they are just using it Genetically we are different religion life style I dont even see any similar thing And simple example is Mongols used to greeting each other by season like "Saihan namarjaj baina uu? Saihan zusaj baina uu? Saihan ovoljoj baina uu?" It means "Is your Winter good?" I mean it sounds weird in english but thats proof that we are 100% different
And well other nations like Europeans they greetings by time of day like "Good morning Good evening" Mongols are only people who greeting by season
Grammarly ashiglad ynzalchih hu
As a Mongolian we are ancient Hunnu or Turks, in western Mongolia we seems like middle of central Mongolian Kalkh and Kazakhs, linguisticly and culturally. We are differentate by many cultural affects, especially in mongols had big influences from China under the 200 years, but we survived as a nation and holded our homeland for 4000 years
Then why do they call themselves GokTurks and not Gokmongols ? are Tunguses also Mongols for yo?
@ name of the Mongols appears in period of the Chingishan around year by 1100,
@@Gchcoit was made up by Cengiz Han for united Turkic peoples, but there were no Khalkhas, Buriats or Oirats among those peoples
@ don’t just come, talk about insane things, keep this just for you, we know who was Chingis and where he came from.
@@Gchco Cengiz iz from Börü Tegin clan and has R1b Y-DNA
Do a video on all Indo European languages.
Lets not argue everyone.
Point is we still alive today we may related may not but still living under same sky .
In earth every one is related so lets not decide whos rigth whos wrong.
We have so many cultural diffrence but not that too close that not gonna make us divided.
We once united.❤️🩹
That was such a good video
Genghis Khans invasion was made largely by Turkic speaking tribes, many of which is now contained in Kazakh nation and other Turkic speaking nations like bashkirs, Uzbeks, tatars etc. While Genghis khan himself was mongol, he formed his army from uniting turkic tribes hence his title was Turkic word Khan and not mongol title khuntaishi, and hence Turkic people live and speak Turkic language on the lands of east europe, Middle East and Central Asia.
Kazakh Borat fantasy
It seems like you haven't researched the word "Khuntaij" yet. This word is only used by Mongolian Khan's advisors, officials, and higher classes that are below Khan's authority. The word "Khan" has been used for centuries by Proto-Mongols as the language evolves, and only used as a title for the ruler of the steppe just like Turkic language does. So, the word "Khuntaij" is respect to the Khan usually in greeting
Khuntaishi means prince in mongolian language dude wtf. Khagan means kind of the subordinate kingdom and Khan means Sovereign ruler lol.
Even subordinate kingdom’s princes were called Khuntaishi dude.
Татары не имеют никого отношения к монголам и Чингиз хану!
There is a Hun state, but historical records about a Hun nation are limited. The reason for this is that there was actually no such thing as a Hun nation. "Hun" (Xiongnu) is the name of a state, a multi-ethnic entity established by nomadic peoples to fight against China. The "Hun" language was a common language created to facilitate communication between these different nomadic peoples during warfare. Most of the words that have survived from the Hun language are military and numerical terms. When the Hun state came to an end, the Hun language also disappeared. Today, the peoples you separate as Mongols and Turks are all Huns.
Most of the words that have reached us from the Hun language today are military terms and numbers. Similarly, the words in the Hun language are short and concise. This is because they were designed to ensure clear communication and quick responses during warfare.
Mongolic people actually quite close with tungusic people and they use to only restrict in khingan range before migrate westward due to fall of uyghur khaganate
How can turkic people may have the same root with Mongols?! R1a, R1b and J2 are typical gaplogroup for turkic people, while C3, O are typical for Mongols and Tungusians. They get close through interaction but not originated from one root. Altay is homeland of Turkic people, Amur river banks is homeland of Mongols.
The claim highlights these haplogroups oversimplifies the genetic history of central and inner Asia. The C3 haplogroup more predominant in Mongolic and certain Tungusic and Siberian groups are also found in Kazakhs, Kyrgyz and many other Kipchak groups. The reason behind why this haplogroup is present in so many Kazakh population is that in during Golden Horde, many Mongols immigrated into Central Asia, resulting in intermixing between these two groups.
Altai-Sayan region is considered the Turkic homeland is also genetically tied to Mongolic people. Studies show that Turkic groups exhibit East Eurasian genetic markers which are common among Mongolic groups. To prove this, early steppe empire like Xiongnu are hypothesized to include ancestors of both Turkic and Mongolic people. The Xiongnu, being a multi-ethnic empire contribute to to the genetic and cultural formations of these both groups.
@@igidi4424 then why C3 is 0% among Lithuanian Tatars (but R1a - 50%, R1b - 10%, J2 - 20%) - in fact their ancestors are an elite and warriors of Golden Horde?;) The answer is easy: widespread of C3 among Kazakhs is a result of Kalmyk immigration westwards (Jungars). They intermarried with Turkic women of Kazakh steppes having their children speaking turkic language but bearing C3 haplogroup. Means that Kazakh men lost to Jungars but they managed to assimilate Jungars
@@igidi4424 Xiongnu bearing 67% R1a-Z93 and 0% C3 are mono-ethnic
@@NoName-sz7fj Anatolian people j2, Turks and mongols are the same dna (C, Q, N)
@@ak-jang mongols are C3, O and D. Turkic people are R1a, R1b, Q and J2, so just stop lying🤥
Close cousins
Not at all .
Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are more of Cousins.
N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols .
Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople.
Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different .
Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears.
Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@@bobfaam5215 You are mistaken. Turks, Mongols and Tungus are three subbrancehes of the Altaic peoples. Mongols are not Tungus. Mongols are a subbranch of their own. Koreans, Japanese, Manchu peoples, Hui people and some peoples of North east Siberia are Tungusic.
North chinese are mongols and manchus @bobfaam5215
Yeah,As a Mongolian i think we are brothers.
From my point of view.Turks are West Huns.And we Mongols are East Huns
🇲🇳❤️🇹🇷🇰🇿🇰🇬🇺🇿🇹🇲🇦🇿
@@bobfaam5215who told you that? All Steppe peoples heavily utilised bows, because it was such a massive advantage to use bows on horseback.
This video is wrong, there is no evidence for indoeuropean existence in siberia. Indoeuropeans are not only one people having west eurasian genetics, even west eurasia is not special to indoeuropean language. Oldest indoeuropean language is anatolian.
Anatolian languages are not IE and Proto-IE developed somewhere in southern Siberia and the Central Asian steppes. And nobody said West Eurasians were only IE but that the Indo-Europeans were one of the people that descended from them.
West Eurasians were basically Caucasians.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement Siberian, central asian are turkic.
@@serkankinden5150 No Siberians are not Turkic nor do they speak a Turkic language. Central Asia was originally Iranic land.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement No it is not and was not.
@@serkankinden5150 Your opinion is irrelevant
Mongols and Turks are different people. There are similiarties with Turkic nations of course e.g. Kazakhstan but not with Anatolian Turks. I respect everyone and uniqueness is everywhere, but Mongolia and the Mongols have a particular history which people are trying to merge into something else.
Ethnogenesis process of Turkıc groups.
Kazakh=Turkıc-Scythian-Mongol
Kyrgyz=Turkıc-Scythian-Mongol
Uzbek=Turkıc-Scythian-BMAC
Turkman=Turkıc-Scythian-BMAC
Turkısh=Turkıc-Scythıan-Hittite
Uighur=Turkıc-Scythıan-mongol-Chinese-BMAC
Scythian is R1a-Z93 (65% Kyrgyzs, 58% Altaians, 82% Khotons, up to 60% other Turkic people leaving in modern-day Russia), but Oghuz Turks, especially those in Anatolia doesn’t have the visible share of Z93
@@NoName-sz7fjScythaian İran
@@HusticeBoxer23no its not Iran is Sogdiana, Midiya and so on. But not Scythians
Uzbek have mongol ancestry too
Turks mostly admixtures between anatolian greek, armenian and turcoman with later balkan, caucasus and levantine admixtures.
Mongols and Turkic people are the same.The only difference is Mongols speak Mongolic languages and Turkic people speak Turkic languages.Many Mongols live in Kazakhstan and those Mongols can speak Kazakh as well.
Not the same and never been the same
if they were the same they would speak same language there is no exception in this within cultural anthropology. initially genetically same people tend to speak in common language but its not the case for turkic and mongolic peoples.
Why is archeological culture and genetics are absolutely different?
It is true that the Mongols retained their ancestral lands from the Xiongnu, but it is a lie that the Mongols were poorly distributed during the Mongol Empire. The Mongols were divided into four states, but the leaders and dominant tribes were Mongols. However, the Mongols were divided and fell into civil war, so they had no choice but to seek help from other Turkic groups. Their main evidence is the Chagatai khanate (Chagatai Ulus) Golden horde (Zuchi Ulus). These groups are called Turkic-Mongolic groups. They believed themselves to be Mongols until the 18th century. The main evidence is the great migration of the Kazakh khanate, they actually moved to Mongolia to their ancestral lands, but the Dzungar khanate (Oirats) Mongolian forest people (Oirats) did not consider them Mongols and attacked and annihilated them many times. The Kazakhs have made many films about this, but this is not the work of the current Mongolia, the North Yuan dynasty. Another example is Mogolstan, who believed themselves to be Mongols, but were also destroyed by the Oirats. Another example is Timur Khan, who believed himself to be Mongols and who had the intention of re-establishing the great Mongol Empire, but died before conquering the Ming dynasty, his descendants conquered India and founded the Mughal Empire (Mongol empire), fulfilling the dream of their ancestors. However, the beliefs, religion, clothing, houses, and language of these groups who believed themselves to be Mongols were different from the Mongols of the Mongolian plateau, which caused a great distance between them and the hostility of the Dzungar (Oirat) who made them their distant enemies, which created the conditions for the descendants of these groups to no longer call themselves Mongols, they are now Turkic people. As the Mongols of the Mongolian Plateau wanted, the Mongols of the Great Yuan dynasty became the only Mongols in the world. All known Mongols now descend from the Great Yuan and North Yuan dynasties (Oirat Mongol, Buryat Mongol, Inner Mongol, Khalh Mongol, Kylmik Mongol, Deed Mongol, Daur Mongol)
Xiongnu were Oghuric, not Mongolic
They look the same to me ngl
we are fighting on logical and scientific proofs, your the chill guy in this comments lol🤣😂
Many foreign people think that the Turks of Turkiye are mixed race with the Greeks. That's not correct. The Roman-Greeks (Rum) of Anatolia have never converted to be Turks nor changed their religion. Devshirme (very few of them were Greek of Greece mainland) is a matter and nothing to do with the Anatolian Roman-Greek people. Some Turks of Turkiye (not all of the population) are mixed with the Southern Slavic people (Yugoslav as known), mostly Serbs (and some were Croats, Makedons). The Janissaries were 90% Serbian origin. between 13th-17th centuries, too many Serbian boys (from Serbia and Bosnia today) have converted to be Janissaries, Tukified and Islamized. None of them got back to Serbian land after they retired (they get retire in their 30's) because they became different. They got married with Turks and made new generations. Not the Greeks but Yugo-Slavs.. Anatolia is a Turkland today by the migrations of Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Tatar, Turkmen, Uzbek, Uyghur and Mogol tribes that came to Anatolia. We are Turks and we know what we are.. And the Turks have mixed with the Persian people of Iran, are still in Iran (more than 50% of Iran population are Turkic today) and they have never migrated to Anatolia. Both Turkic and Mogol people are ALTAIC people. Are they the same? Nobody could draw an exact line between the 2 oldest Nations. They are mixed from the very begining. If anybody call me Turk, yes true.. if I am called Mogol, yes sure, I will be honored.. What Oguz Khan, Sultan Mehmet-II Khan, Ataturk means to me, Genghis Khan means the same.. May all Turkic, Mogol, Magyar peoples live forever in peace!
In short, the Mongols were the little brothers of the Porto-Turkic. Apart from Cengiz Khan, Mongolians have no history to speak of. (Almost all of the mongolid -looking nomadic warriors were Turkic), but they mixed with West Eurasian (Iranian or European peoples) and other East Asia or native Sibyrians poeple . Proto-Turkic 'DNA is somewhat different than that of the Medival Turkic….
Turks have no history either 😂
@ my Grandfathers Are Khorsani Kurd (Iranic) and Oguz Turk/Turkmen ( Medieval Turkic) fight you mongols …ck mongols women’s not all east Asia Nomads are mogol you History only Chigiz Khan my Turkic Grandfather…ck mongols ,China or west Eursia Women’s you have Turkic DNA son of….
@@Başibozuk46 I am not Mongol, also speak English my Turkish friend.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement We Turks have better history than you Afghan refugees
@@Başibozuk46 You don;t have any history and your not even Turkic.
If there are multiple hundreds of millions of Turkic descent, and only 10 million of Mongol descent, then it's a genocidal belief to include Turkic as being Mongol. Except in the legitimate context where any member of the 10 million Mongols are also of some Turkic descent.
3:05 most unfortunate even in turkic history
true
Thank you.
(I am Turkish)
Turkified Greeks 😂
@@baibhabmazumdar007 says the Gypsy who is a wanna be English :)
@@furkanonal8 learn english before trying to insult someone in it hahahaha
@@baibhabmazumdar007 There were no Greeks in Anatolia before the Turks
@@baibhabmazumdar007 Not Greek, but Scythian and Hittite influence. Central Asian Turks are a mixture of Mongolian, Scythian and Chinese, but they may be lucky because there are no gypsies like you.
Central Asia is a cultural continuum, a melting pot of languages and peoples like the Mediterranean.
Genghis Khan was to the Kazakhs🇰🇿
Uighur bro
I am very interested in blood group distribution inside true Turkic (not people of country of Turkey) and true Mongolic people.
I have a feeling Turkic people will have high concentration of AB blood group as they appear to connect West Eurasian of A blood type people and East Eurasian people of B blood type while Mongolian people should be dominantly of B blood type people.
I Uighurs have high concentration of AB blood type people and they are a Turkic or Turko-mongolic group
As a Mongolian, we're very close people except Turkic people arabised and islamised.
We didn't get arabized. At least unlike mongols who got russified and chinesefied and budafied.
@ We've still nomadic culture. We speak Mongolian. Our dna is c2. We didn't mix other nation like others. But Kazakhs and Kyrgyzs Russifised, Turkish arabised...
@@ChagataiBorjigin you are fighting the wrong people. Turkic peoples, regardless of whether they are Arabized and Islamized or not, do not pose a threat to the Mongol-speaking peoples. I think you know who is really oppressing the Mongols in Inner Mongolia and Buratia.
@ChagataiBorjigin oh wait you've been heavily turkified by us to the point Genghis Khan and his sons thought he was a turk tatars themselves, besides what's wrong with mixing with others? We are nomads after all we Mix but still retain our identity, even your chagatai was islamized
@ Mongols were considered Tatars themselves, not Turk. Chagatai means white in Mongolian language, not islamised. We've still nomadic culture but you don't.
If you guys still say mongols are Turks let’s meet at court
Genetically Mongolics contains mostly Haplo-group C3 y-dna calculates migrated from Africa to Asia more than 45000 years ago considered one of the oldest migration to Asia of Human history that's why their eyes getting smaller and protected from the Siberian freezing windy blizzard condition, but those Turkics are more like diversity of the genes and DNAs of central Asian people. Example today's Turkiyan people has genetically 30%Armenia and 30% Iranian Kurd's even some Europian and even has 10%Greece some Ashkenazi Jewish genes ... but the Central Asian like Kazakhs and Uzbeks has genetically 40% Mongolian C3 DNA, 30% Ra1 Indo- Persian 20 % Caucasian DNA etc ...
Bullshit R1a is not Indo-Persian. Iranians have 13% of it, and Indians 5-10%. Kyrghyz have 65%, Altains 58%, Khotons 82%, Lithuanian Tatars 55%, Kuban Noghais 50%, Uyghur 50%, and so on.
@@NoName-sz7fj R1a is Indo-Iranian. Cry harder bro.
@ bro R1a nametowand goruhe irani bashad) It appeared in Altay 18 thousand years ago before Indo-European languages appeared. Z280 maybe IE, while Z93 is Turkic.
@@NoName-sz7fj R1a is Indo-European. By your Pan-Turkic logic, Poles, Russians, Ukrainians, Sorbs and Norwegians are "Turks" since they are R1a.
And no, Z93 is strictly Iranian. Any Turk with this haplogroup is an assimilated Iranic.
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovementthey have Z280, while Turkic is Z93. Iranian is J2 (Iranians), G2 (Ossetians) and other, but not Z93. Any Iranian tribes sharing Z93 are assimilated Turks
As a Mongolian it’s very annoying to see Turkish people claiming Atilla and Chingis khan are of their origin and not of Mongol on Historical Mongolian contents like we don’t even look the same 🤦♂️
Atilla is Turkic, actually (It is confirmed in records. He was the khan of the Huns who was Turkic himself. Even though Atilla was not his son, the previous Mongol khan appointed him as the heir of the throne.) But Gengkhis khan is Mongol.
@@BoundlessEternity_ this person was saying Turkish. Turkic isn't equal to turkic
@@BoundlessEternity_ The oldest Turkic language document that Attila did not speak is the Orkhon inscriptions. There is an inscription from the 8th century AD. The oldest Mongolian inscription is the Inscription of Hüis Tolgoi. It is believed to have been written between 580-603 AD. In other words, the Mongolian script predates the Turkic script. If you want, you can study the Xianbei script, which is the proto-Mongolian language. Scientists have not yet determined what language the Xiongnu spoke.
Yeah. I feel offended because Turkish and Turkic people keep saying the Huns, Niruns(gokturks I think I might be wrong) and Uyghurs were all Turkish/Turkic Even though Nirun was specifically Mongol ancestors. All the mongol tribes tatars, oirad, naimans hereids and even Mongols itself had been created after Uyghurs invaded Jujan(Nirun) which themselves were invaded again by the Tatars which then were invaded by khazans which th-... It's kinda like china. Genghis Khan is definitely mongol. He even claims it. And if you argue it's in his genes then we can say Mulan was mongol. Even if it did, the Turk Heritage from Genghis would've most likely Disappeared after a long time.
@@DannyDaGre4t why mongols claim naimans and Kereits are mongols? They lived in Mongolia in Genghis khan time and fight with him but they were not mongols they are Turkic speaking. They fought against mongol oirats and jungars and never caonsidered themselves mongols. Now they live in east kazakhstan are included in Kazakh nation middle juz
They get sad if I call them brothers of Mongol
same not
Turkic people are more European looking to me, while Mongols are more oriental looking.
You mean Turkish, not Turkic.
@@James-sn5mgyeah Turkish Poeple Are more Look Caucausid but Turkish Poeple have Mongolid Grandfather……😂😂😂😂
Mongols are not Turks. The Sumerians, Scythians, Huns and Mongols of the 12th century are Turks. Today's Mongols are alien forest tribes who came to the deserted lands of today's Mongolia (because the Turks moved to the territory of present-day Kazakhstan and from there led conquests to all sides of the earth)
mOdern Turks look nothing like Kazakhs and Uzbecks never mind Mongols.
Hope you know why.
Not at all .
Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people.
N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols .
Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople.
Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different .
Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears.
Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@bobfaam5215 Nope. North Chinese are settlers from the South. Some might have intermarried with Mongols. Otherwise, they are Han Chinese.
@ HAN Chinese is more of a Language.
Not ethnicity.
Even today , In terms of physical appearance , Northern Chinese and Southern Chinese and Central Chinese look very different.
Inner Mongols/ Manchu / Jurchen/Northern Han Chinese/Hui Muslims/Qinghai Tibetans have the same Ethnic and Genetic Roots .
All these people are TUNGU people.
@bobfaam5215 nope 92% of Chinese are Han people. It is DNA and language , culture.
HELL NO
I concur. Mongol is an endangered ethnicity. Turkic ethnic groups aren't. It's evil to call them the same because it erases Mongol.
huns🇭🇺🇲🇳💪🔥
Turkey isn't similar or descendants from huns they are Islamic Greeks but mongol and Hungary is huns
@AminmunhKing-mw9px ye alr
@AminmunhKing-mw9px Mongols and Hungarians are not Huns. The only descendants of Huns are Bulgars. Bulgars were a Oghuric group of people that spoke lir branch of Turkic language family. There were many groups of Bulgars: Bulgars of Kuber (Bulgars that settled in Macedonia), Bulgars of Alcek (Bulgars that settled in Italy), Bulgars of Pannonnia (they then migrated to Bavaria), Bulgars of Asparukh (Danube Bulgars, they ended up creating 1 Bulgarian Empire), Bulgars of Kotrag (they ended up creating Volga Bulgars, main ancestors of the nowaday Volga Tatars), Bulgars that settled near Van Lake in modern day Turkey, Bulgars near Taurus Mountains. The earlier Avars and later Khazars might've been Oghuric speakers but ethnically Avars were a mix of Hephtalite (White Hun) migrants and other elements in them, Khazars were Tiele (?) but with a Oghuric language, so ethnically only Bulgars were European Huns of the 5 century, that later again started migrating 2 centuries later. About Hungarians being Huns it's the mythology only. Another Oghuric speaking people of the region are Chuvash, they are mostly Sabir descendants not European Huns.
@@AminmunhKing-mw9px Magyars were indeed Ugro(elite)-Oghuric(Kabar)-Turkic (Tiele+Scyth) in composition, but ethnically Bulgars were European Huns. Hungarians came much later than Bulgars.
@@numeron509 turkic speakers? First found proof of turkic language is orkhon 8th century. In mongol huis tolgoi found xianbei rouran and avar is mongol speakers proof
Turks are the "made in china" version of Mongols 😅
Turkic is not Turk.
But Turks have Turkic DNA 😂😂😂😂
The name turk is a blanket for mankurds
😂😂😂
No they are not. They are not even cousins. Mongols are cousins to Tungusians. Mongols we’re not Nomadic, leaving in Amur region. Learn history and at least prepare for the video better!
Genghis Khan was Turk. Modern Mongolia was formed in 1923, before that they were called Khalkha, and Genghis Khan and his people, the Persians called Mogol and these tribes were Turkic (Kiyat, Dulat, Mangyt, Jalair, Kerey, Naiman, Merkit, Alchin, etc., such incidents happen in history, for example, Americans before Columbus (Indians) and after, these are completely different peoples (multicolored immigrants), ancient Uighurs and modern Uighurs, Macedonians of Alexander the Great (Greeks) and modern (Slavs), so there is a lot of confusion due to a misunderstanding of history.
What are you smoking, Genghis Khan was Turk.😂 if you Kazakh you would be considered 2nd sort of Turkic people😅
@@UBchi Listen, ill-mannered semi-nomad, you need to read the original sources, not translations from Russian to Mongolian, then you will understand that the history that white people gave you, in fact, does not belong to you, if you consider yourself a descendant of the Mughals, the first question to you is: What kind are you? Because modern residents of Mongolia, for the most part, have no idea about their clan affiliation))))
@@istemiashina3256 Typical turk trying to be a part of our history, lmao. Keep dreaming!
@@istemiashina3256 Russians tried to keep Mongols from pan-Mongolism by introducing the idea that Khalkha, Oirat etc are different distinct groups, what do you mean by history that white people gave us? We all have the proof from history such as notes from Giovanni da Pian del Carpine, William of Rubruck, and books such as Jami' al-tawarikh (Судрын чуулган), and even from Mongoliin nuuts tovchoo (secret history of the mongols), and speaking of Khalkha Mongols, we were directly ruled by Borjigin Khans until the 20th century, which is the very clan of Chinggis Khaan, and a stele from 13th century written in Mongolian dedicated to Genghis Khan's nephew Yisungge. Please reconsider.
@@istemiashina3256 world knows history, everyone! Unlike Kazakhs who think cooking history books make them great descendants of Genghis Khan. Where else it says Genghis Khan was Kazakh 😂you second class in Turkic world, Turks say that😂
In before the Turkifed Greeks start claiming Mongol and Turkic history as "Turkish" lol
Not Greek, but Scythian and Hittite influence. Central Asian Turks are a mixture of Mongolian, Scythian and Chinese
@@KhanTonyukuk Central Asian Turks are the real Turks. You Anatolians are Turkified.
@@KhanTonyukuk Lol no
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement Bro it was also mentioned in the video👍
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Hazara are 100% turkic. Mongolians never left their troops behind. This is a lie from our enemies the pashtoons that We are mongolian. We are turkic !!!
Lol you are Mongol Shias bachem. Accept it and move on.
Great brother! We all know it. It’s not only Pashtoons who make up this story, but mostly Europeans and Russians
You are Mongols! get over it! 😂
@@GreaterAfghanistanMovement pushtuns are Turkic, Ghilzay are Gildzhi Turkic.
@@NoName-sz7fj Sure! they totally are Turkic with their main haplogroup being Indo-European R1a 😂
The first difference between us and Turks is language. The second one is genetic difference. The third one is culture or cultural mentality. Some of us are buddhists and even we have some moslems, but it doesn't mean that we are not more shamanists. Shamanism or Tengrism is very strong in Mongolia. May be the ancient Turks and Mongols had the same way of life as nomads, but nowadays I don't know any turkspeaking country that preserved this culture. All former turkspeaking areas ruled by Mongol Empire are now islamic or christian countries... Plz, don't compare a Mongol horse with Middle asian donkey... Thanks
Let me answer as a literally TENGRIST in Practice TURK (Alevi Kızılbaş)... First difference between us and you is we don't even know who you are. Genghis Khan? He was a Mongol. But his idols were Turks. And he based his empire on the Turkic traditions. For example his best man Subutai was a Turk. And he literally created 90% of his chamber from the Uyghur and Kipchak Turks. Ah I just reminded. He was calling the Toghrul Khan (The Turkic Khan who helps him to get Borte back alongside with the Jamoka) as "The Khan whom I call as Father"...
Other than that? No???
Btw. As I said, I am literally Tengrist and doing same practices with the Saka Turks in Siberia while you dogs destroying all the temples with the order of China. I created more than 20 great empires, destroyed and created for 1000s of years while you are waiting your Chinese rulers order.
Don't compare the Great Graywolf with the Chinese straydogs.
True .
Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people.
N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols .
Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople.
Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different .
Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears.
Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
Size wise mongolian horses are closer to donkeys lol.
@bobfaam5215, what the heck are u writing? Guess you didn't understand anything that person said. And you think we are ethnically tungusic while many Kazaks and Kyrgyzs share mongol dna. I think you should go can research more about the dna. About north chinese people they do have mongol admixtures because of their time now (in inner mongolia) and during Qing dynasty other than not that much admixtures. And if you just think it from outside appearance you have no right to talk about dna, while saying this dumb sht. Then siberian turkics and groups are also ethnically tungusic from analogy.
@@epaniyYoutubDNA does said that lie
Mongols and the Turkic are the same. I am half Tatar half Bulgarian
Мама татарская Наташа легла под цыгана из Болгарии?
Not at all .
Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people.
N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols .
Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople.
Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different .
Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears.
Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@@Iskatel.Priklyucheniy Not at all .
Mongols and North Chinese and Koreans are same people.
N:ot Tur:kic and M:ongols .
Mongols are E:thnically Tu:ngu pe:ople.
Fighting style and physical appearance is also very different .
Mongols are good in close quarters combat with Swords and Spears.
Turkic predominantly fight with Bows and Arrows from far away .
@ No worries professor
@@Iskatel.PriklyucheniyGypsy? Please dont use our alphabet, and language actually. God forbid the religion you got from us too.