Haha! I watched this on my Hades Canyon NUC. Ive owned it since it came out and I still use it to this day, its my daily work driver. Its never failed me
I really do wish NUCs were easily upgradable and caught on. Imagine how nice it would be to just plug and play components from different OEMs and game.
Heatpipes can have a better heat conductance than just copper. The heatpipes is a (often for computers flat) copper pipe with liquid inside. The liquid will physically move, like an AIO watercooler. Using the heat as the source of energy
I have this same unit (NUC8i7HVK) that I bought back in 2019. I added 64GB RAM and 2x 1TB Samsung NVMe. It still runs great and STEAM games look excellent. Phenomenal machine for the size and price. I would buy it again!
just so you know, that heatsink isn't just a big hunk of copper. The entire bottom copper plate is a huge vapor chamber, sorta like having just one big heat pipe. just using a slab of copper would make the thermals on that thing horrendous.
Just picked one of these up over the weekend for $200 from CL. I had to scroll quite a ways to find someone who caught you on the wifi card being an 8265 and AC wifi(swapped mine for an ax210 wifi 6!), didn't see anyone mention that you missed the optical digital port in that part of the rundown. Always wanted one of these just could never justify the $$$ lol. Good video overall, thanks for all you do!
I've always wanted to get my hands on one of those NUCs. They're really awesome. One of the things I was curious about was if you could plug in a eGPU via thunderbolt and have a good experience with like a RTX 3060/6600 non-XT. Could be a decent way to get a bit more ooph out of that small box and add additional expandability like a Node Duo or something similar.
im going to go with yes, as its got thunderbolt ports. but if youre going to do that you could get a far cheaper nuc with a generic intel onboard graphics card and get a similar result for less money could you not? *that being said* ive got a hades canyon myself and id love to see what happens with it running an egpu.
As the heat load is dense and heatsink is small this is one place liquid metal would work real wonders. You should have gone with that. AS-5 is a most glorious throwback though.
I owned this one for ~2 years, amazing machine. I used it along with eGPU that allowed me to do some crazy Linux virtualization stuff. I will probably buy it again in couple years to install SteamOS
i bought one a couple of months back as VM server and so far i have been really happy with its performance in respect to game streaming some older games.
I use my Skull Canyon nuc every night . Added an extra 16gb of ddr4 memory to bump it to 32gb . Then I added an egpu enclosure to it and threw a spare GTX 960 2gb in it . 8k video playback no problemo ! Now , if I could afford a better card so I can hook up the Rift S to it...
have been running a hades canyon nuc with a 1tb m2 ssd and 64gb ram for a good couple of years now, absolutely love it, havent had a full sized pc in almost a decade. this one sits under my main tv as a console alternative and does it brilliantly. bluetooth keyboard and mouse and a couple of ps4 controllers and youre gold.
I'm fairly sure that is a vapor chamber, not just a hunk of copper. So far from 'no heatpipes' it is actually 'all heatpipe'. Very cool, pleeeease put SteamOS on there!
So nice to see this video! I was given this NUC by my friend last year as he was replacing this with a Mac. This is the best PC ive ever owned lol. Awesome to see what it looks like on the inside, ive never dared to look lol.
I had one of those a few years back. Ended up giving it to my brother so he could mess around with it. I'd like to see this form factor have an 8 core CPU though.
I finally managed to get Thunderbold passthough working with a eGPU enclosure, using Hades Canyon, Proxmox, a Razer Core X and a old AMD 290X (which i had lying around). Pretty nifty little guy this has become. Happy as beans with this purchase.
I was three fingers (x2) into my (Ironically) Jameson IPA when I heard the part about Intel with Radeon on chip, and at first figured either myself or you were drunk. Had to replay that part a few times.
This is really cool tech, shame its still pretty expensive on the second hand market in Germany. Cheapest I've seen was 450€ and the tend to go for 600€+.
@@wayland7150 If you are looking into second hand pc at least in Germany you can get a PC with 1060/480 reliably for 300-350€. The Hades Canyon nucs are pretty rare and the prices are varying wildly (I am taking 400-1000€ on sold ebay listings). Still hoping to get one for a decent price aka. sub 400€.
Du musst beachten, dass dieser Hades Canyon, wie der YTer schon gesagt hat, sehr selten ist wegen der AMD Intel Partnerschaft und vermutlich später an Wert steigen wird. Die Preise sind gerechtfertigt, der NUC kostete Barebone damals 1100€. Auch eine Sonderheit: Es hat 2x TB3 und man kann macOS installieren da die Vega M Grafikeinheit auch kompatibel mit macOS ist (Polaris 22-Chipsatz). Meinen werde ich für 920€ los maxed out
I've run my hades canyon with 64gb ram as a proxmox server with the igpu passed through for plex transcoding on a vm with my docker containers. This thing has been a fantastic performer over the years.
Neat that you found this New Old Stock. I always wanted one of these little boxes. I've always loved the NUC family and I wished mine hadn't died on me (it did serve as an HTPC for many years.)
Intel and AMD need to bring NUCs to the party with MXM GPU modules and swappable CPUs. I’d buy one easily for use as an HTPC if I knew I could upgrade parts as needed. I recently upgraded my TV to a 4k one, so my i7 6700k’s iGPU wasn’t cutting it for video (it can’t do 4k 60 over HDMI), so I upgraded it with a GT1030.
XD, i literally had done the same type of thing for my dad a few years ago. the igpu on his core 2 duo powered optiplex was struggling with 1080p resolutions, so i chucked an era apropriate 8400gs into it and it ran wonderfully after that.
I have a Chinese clone using the same chip. Even has the blue glow up skull that is less cool as it sports headphones. Sadly neither Intel or AMD actually supports the clone device with Windows 10 as only the official Intel Nuc is supported by the drivers and both companies point at OEMS/manufacturers providing their own drivers with the right vendor and hardware IDs encoded in the drivers. With the Chinese company NOT included to provide windows 10 driver support. I did manage to hack and patch the drivers but that got tedious after a while. A lot of the drivers were tied to a specific windows 10 variant. Resulted in me switching to POP!OS Linux as well as dual booting it with Batocera - the system got a new lease of life that way. And it will be sporting the valve gaming OS at some point. The Hades NUC Clone has a slight different motherboard layout but is very similar. I have the high end hybrid chip on the device and the memory is running at 2990 MHz.
You are solely responsible for me buying one of these today on Ebay, to take on a business trip with me. Adding 16GB of 3000c16-18-18-36 SO-DIMMs, my desktop's existing M.2 SSDs. Hopefully there's a display where I'm going, otherwise I should have bought a laptop lol. If it does work out though, the performance this thing offers for the money (my total cost will be about 400 euros) should be best in class.
I got one a year ago for 400 and added 32GB memory and I had an SSD. It’s a beast of a machine . In my living room when I need more punch then my iPad or rather use a pc. SteamOS and maybe Linux on it would be cool yo see also!
I bought mine in 2019 Newegg Black Friday for $750 in conjunction with Skull Canyon. The later Phantom Canyon feature far less ports than this one, hence the most versatile NUC that was released by Intel.
Have you tried to activate HBCC = High Bandwith Cache Controller in the Driver ? The HBCC is deactivated by default with Vega Graphic Cards , its meant to be allocate main Memory to expand Video Memory . Usually you dont need it with Vega cards because you have 8 GB HBM Memory and for 4K the cards are to slow . It can lead to stutter in some fast paced Games , but it should be faster than the normal access to Main Memory
I got one used just recently, it seemed pretty cool and the iGPU performs pretty well. However, for whatever reason, the TB controller doesn't work, so even thought I'd probably never use it with an eGPU it sort of rankled that I didn't have the option. I got a M2 oculink egpu dock from aliexpress. It didn't work initially, until I used a M2 extender in between, ostensibly to bring the second M2 slot outside for easy access. Now I can connect to a GPU via oculink. Need to sort it out as a media/ emulation centre now.
I think I bought it in dec 2018. I remember to be more powerfull than a ps4 pro but less than a One X. I use it almost every day as a media PC connected to my TV. I really like it.
I could see this being useful as a mobile dongle combo with a wireless monitor for out of the house and docking at home with an egpu could be really useful if you can afford one.
I had one for a while. Pretty great small form PC capable of decent gaming and editing. I found it wasn't enough to replace my actual desktop, even when it was new.
I use this as my download machine. Didn't try many games on it but it should be able to find most seventh gen, well optimized games at 1080p 60 fps max settings.
Would you advocate buying 3200 or 2933 memory. The 3200 memory seems to be CL20 whereas the 2933 is CL17. Trying to get the best performant memory for my unit.
I got a hystou branded "knockoff" (i.e. mini pc with a light up skull on it and the i7 8709G) it works really well, but recently I put a thermalright silver arrow on it to oc it.
dumb question, you think is possible to play games in 8k with 4 Nvidia tesla p100 32GB HMB2 SMX2 or V100? like 8k high or ultra maxed out all AAA games with 128GB of HMB2 ram? maybe you can do a video like that by renting one of those amazon servers with 8 gpus i really want to see that maybe 16k resolution.
i had mine for couples years going strong, i did installed the Amernime software and runs great, i wish to have a water cooler system, like nexus did it. definitely one of the kinds.
looking at the foil has a bunch of air under it and how the carboard box has creases on the inside (seen at 2:25ish) that thing aint new, someone just had all the bits still
We all know, if I don't show the thermal paste application on camera, it never really happened.
Well darn it, thats what i came here for
Needs more hand modelling, sexy jazz, and slowmo
You did that thermal paste OK, not how I would have done it but I'm sure you know what you're doing. Each to his own.
@@wayland7150 AS5 is weird.
@@SianaGearz You can't let thermal paste application go uncommented, everyone has an opinion and we should make it known.
The interaction between you and Rett was hilarious in that ad read. Keep those up!
Haha! I watched this on my Hades Canyon NUC. Ive owned it since it came out and I still use it to this day, its my daily work driver. Its never failed me
I've got the same experience. ;)
you're not the only one!
Same it's been a hard machine to replace.
Same here
Do any of you run devinci resolve or premier pro on it?
I remember seeing this a few years back and was amazed that AMD and Intel would do anything together.
My first thought was "I wonder if this would play nice with steam os" so definitely looking forward to that video.
I really do wish NUCs were easily upgradable and caught on. Imagine how nice it would be to just plug and play components from different OEMs and game.
What you're looking for is called...a regular pc
The latest ones are getting closer. The compute modules are pretty sweet
@@aarrondias9950 it's not. A regular PC takes research into compatibility.
I really wanted Rett to touch the screen after he zoomed in
I always wanted one of these. Brings back memories! IIRC, the Hades Canyon name came from the Intel/AMD collab, cause hell clearly froze over.
Heatpipes can have a better heat conductance than just copper.
The heatpipes is a (often for computers flat) copper pipe with liquid inside. The liquid will physically move, like an AIO watercooler. Using the heat as the source of energy
I have this same unit (NUC8i7HVK) that I bought back in 2019. I added 64GB RAM and 2x 1TB Samsung NVMe. It still runs great and STEAM games look excellent. Phenomenal machine for the size and price. I would buy it again!
just so you know, that heatsink isn't just a big hunk of copper. The entire bottom copper plate is a huge vapor chamber, sorta like having just one big heat pipe. just using a slab of copper would make the thermals on that thing horrendous.
7:22 "no need to use heatpipes" that's not solid copper, it's one big vapor chamber
Just picked one of these up over the weekend for $200 from CL. I had to scroll quite a ways to find someone who caught you on the wifi card being an 8265 and AC wifi(swapped mine for an ax210 wifi 6!), didn't see anyone mention that you missed the optical digital port in that part of the rundown. Always wanted one of these just could never justify the $$$ lol. Good video overall, thanks for all you do!
Oh man computers like this used to be golden for hackintosh before Apple Silicon. A NUC like this was so much faster than the 2014/2018 Mac minis.
Especially this model - there is a Github project (HaC mini) that makes it a 100% MacOS compatible Hackintosh including Thunderbolt.
HBM is just cool just needs a Optane drive to become a triforce of tech oddity.
AMD GPU with intel CPU, HBM, Optane, when they combine!
....I literally ordered a 512BG/32GB Optane combo after shooting this video :-D
With his powers combined he will become Captain Compute!
Anytime I see a small form factor with dual nic, my pfsense tingles.
I see the route your thinking is taking.
I've always wanted to get my hands on one of those NUCs. They're really awesome. One of the things I was curious about was if you could plug in a eGPU via thunderbolt and have a good experience with like a RTX 3060/6600 non-XT. Could be a decent way to get a bit more ooph out of that small box and add additional expandability like a Node Duo or something similar.
when I bought this hades nuc I used a 1080 and later a 5600xt. Worked great.
im going to go with yes, as its got thunderbolt ports. but if youre going to do that you could get a far cheaper nuc with a generic intel onboard graphics card and get a similar result for less money could you not? *that being said* ive got a hades canyon myself and id love to see what happens with it running an egpu.
As the heat load is dense and heatsink is small this is one place liquid metal would work real wonders. You should have gone with that.
AS-5 is a most glorious throwback though.
I think Gamers Nexus did just that, I'm not sure though.
I owned this one for ~2 years, amazing machine. I used it along with eGPU that allowed me to do some crazy Linux virtualization stuff.
I will probably buy it again in couple years to install SteamOS
i bought one a couple of months back as VM server and so far i have been really happy with its performance in respect to game streaming some older games.
Chating: "Steam OS! Steam OS!"
I use my Skull Canyon nuc every night . Added an extra 16gb of ddr4 memory to bump it to 32gb . Then I added an egpu enclosure to it and threw a spare GTX 960 2gb in it . 8k video playback no problemo ! Now , if I could afford a better card so I can hook up the Rift S to it...
I'd like to think the limited CPU performance and constrained bus might not be quite ideal for VR, stutter and all.
I remember this being the coolest device I couldn't justify spending $1300 on. Still want one
have been running a hades canyon nuc with a 1tb m2 ssd and 64gb ram for a good couple of years now, absolutely love it, havent had a full sized pc in almost a decade. this one sits under my main tv as a console alternative and does it brilliantly. bluetooth keyboard and mouse and a couple of ps4 controllers and youre gold.
your screen cap seems to be over saturated. did something happen causing that? looking at the windows desktop there’s noticeable banding
This would be a good idea as an HTPC, definitely do a video on how Steam OS will work on it!
3:20 Someone is going to clip those grunts! 😂😂
I'm fairly sure that is a vapor chamber, not just a hunk of copper. So far from 'no heatpipes' it is actually 'all heatpipe'. Very cool, pleeeease put SteamOS on there!
So nice to see this video! I was given this NUC by my friend last year as he was replacing this with a Mac. This is the best PC ive ever owned lol. Awesome to see what it looks like on the inside, ive never dared to look lol.
I had one of those a few years back. Ended up giving it to my brother so he could mess around with it. I'd like to see this form factor have an 8 core CPU though.
Sponsored message is sick 🤣👌
Promoting 2 ads.
Anyone else notice the LLT store?
The Hades has it's own HBM for the GPU. Upgrading the ram won't do much...But might as well. Love these machines.
Graphis roughly 1060 Max-Q equivalent.
I posted the same thing. Then deleted it when he mentions the hbm
What a great video Jeff. Been wanting to grab one of those Hades canyons for a long time. Now I'm going to have to haha
8:35 somebody is 100% losing sleep over this comment right now. I, for one, 100% agree with you about arctic silver 5. I love the call back.
That cooler is a vapour chamber, not just copper.
Damn I was not expecting HBM to be in there that’s awesome.
you had me chuckling softly with the first sentence
We use one of these to drive our VR setup in the office. Its been a super star ..
Heck you could mount the NUC on the VR helmet, save on cables.
Loved the plug for the RAM!
I finally managed to get Thunderbold passthough working with a eGPU enclosure, using Hades Canyon, Proxmox, a Razer Core X and a old AMD 290X (which i had lying around). Pretty nifty little guy this has become. Happy as beans with this purchase.
Very satisfying video!! I used to have one of these and regret selling it. Might just buy one again.
I was three fingers (x2) into my (Ironically) Jameson IPA when I heard the part about Intel with Radeon on chip, and at first figured either myself or you were drunk. Had to replay that part a few times.
This is really cool tech, shame its still pretty expensive on the second hand market in Germany. Cheapest I've seen was 450€ and the tend to go for 600€+.
The price compares well with building a cheap gaming machine with an RX 580 and much smaller.
@@wayland7150 If you are looking into second hand pc at least in Germany you can get a PC with 1060/480 reliably for 300-350€.
The Hades Canyon nucs are pretty rare and the prices are varying wildly (I am taking 400-1000€ on sold ebay listings). Still hoping to get one for a decent price aka. sub 400€.
Du musst beachten, dass dieser Hades Canyon, wie der YTer schon gesagt hat, sehr selten ist wegen der AMD Intel Partnerschaft und vermutlich später an Wert steigen wird.
Die Preise sind gerechtfertigt, der NUC kostete Barebone damals 1100€.
Auch eine Sonderheit: Es hat 2x TB3 und man kann macOS installieren da die Vega M Grafikeinheit auch kompatibel mit macOS ist (Polaris 22-Chipsatz).
Meinen werde ich für 920€ los maxed out
7:18 --
CC -- *prises on intel for not using heatpipes*
*Meanwhile - Intel NUC with Vapour Chamber Cooling:* _"AM I A JOKE TO YOU?"_ 🤔
I've run my hades canyon with 64gb ram as a proxmox server with the igpu passed through for plex transcoding on a vm with my docker containers. This thing has been a fantastic performer over the years.
oh.. and you can definitely split the vega gpu into a windows vm for a gaming vm!
500 shipped is pretty awesome, if I were mounting this to a good 1080p display I think it would be pretty good for almost everything
OK that was a good sponsor segment lol!
Neat that you found this New Old Stock. I always wanted one of these little boxes. I've always loved the NUC family and I wished mine hadn't died on me (it did serve as an HTPC for many years.)
Intel and AMD need to bring NUCs to the party with MXM GPU modules and swappable CPUs. I’d buy one easily for use as an HTPC if I knew I could upgrade parts as needed. I recently upgraded my TV to a 4k one, so my i7 6700k’s iGPU wasn’t cutting it for video (it can’t do 4k 60 over HDMI), so I upgraded it with a GT1030.
XD, i literally had done the same type of thing for my dad a few years ago. the igpu on his core 2 duo powered optiplex was struggling with 1080p resolutions, so i chucked an era apropriate 8400gs into it and it ran wonderfully after that.
@@blendpinexus1416 that's the beauty of custom HTPC builds! It makes me happy to keep older hardware going as long as possible.
I don't think that is a giant hunk of copper, its a vapor chamber, so it is a giant heat pipe.
Yes you can tell it's a copper can pinched at the edges rather than a milled slab.
I see what you (or Rett) did with the companies logos in the thumbnail ;)
The zoom in on Linus...I lost it lol
I flew down to QuakeCon 2019 with one of these in my backpack. Rented a monitor at the event.
They were so awesome! Even able to run VR!
how does this compare to something like a 5700g? Also would love to see a video where you install steam os
I have a Chinese clone using the same chip. Even has the blue glow up skull that is less cool as it sports headphones. Sadly neither Intel or AMD actually supports the clone device with Windows 10 as only the official Intel Nuc is supported by the drivers and both companies point at OEMS/manufacturers providing their own drivers with the right vendor and hardware IDs encoded in the drivers. With the Chinese company NOT included to provide windows 10 driver support.
I did manage to hack and patch the drivers but that got tedious after a while. A lot of the drivers were tied to a specific windows 10 variant. Resulted in me switching to POP!OS Linux as well as dual booting it with Batocera - the system got a new lease of life that way. And it will be sporting the valve gaming OS at some point.
The Hades NUC Clone has a slight different motherboard layout but is very similar. I have the high end hybrid chip on the device and the memory is running at 2990 MHz.
i think we may have the same device. i couldnt find the way to oc the ram. did you flash new bios to it?
I have three of these things..two running win 11 and one running POP OS..love them! so verstile
You are solely responsible for me buying one of these today on Ebay, to take on a business trip with me.
Adding 16GB of 3000c16-18-18-36 SO-DIMMs, my desktop's existing M.2 SSDs.
Hopefully there's a display where I'm going, otherwise I should have bought a laptop lol.
If it does work out though, the performance this thing offers for the money (my total cost will be about 400 euros) should be best in class.
You should of tried diy water cooler for it and a much beefer power brick ans see how far you can push it
wow.....great review.
I got one a year ago for 400 and added 32GB memory and I had an SSD. It’s a beast of a machine . In my living room when I need more punch then my iPad or rather use a pc.
SteamOS and maybe Linux on it would be cool yo see also!
Hi Geof. Sometimes you really give me a good laugh at your comments. Thanks mate. Really enjoy your videos too.
Lmao, I like how this is uploaded on the same day a newer version was leaked but with an intel arc gpu
I really hope the Intel Arc out performs the 4 year old Vega which performs really well.
Okay, that ad was cute. Props.
I bought mine in 2019 Newegg Black Friday for $750 in conjunction with Skull Canyon. The later Phantom Canyon feature far less ports than this one, hence the most versatile NUC that was released by Intel.
I bought one of these for $700 a year and a half ago. Im still running it daily to play Valorant and it works absoultely great. I have no regrets.
Really nice kit, even after 4 years.👍
Ha was thinking SteamOS 3.0 would make sense on this. Would be interested to see that video.
I still find it surprising that AS5 has had such a long life, when Ceramique basically disappeared
Would definitely want to see a video with steamOS 3 on this.
love the set colors
Have you tried to activate HBCC = High Bandwith Cache Controller in the Driver ? The HBCC is deactivated by default with Vega Graphic Cards , its meant to be allocate main Memory to expand Video Memory . Usually you dont need it with Vega cards because you have 8 GB HBM Memory and for 4K the cards are to slow .
It can lead to stutter in some fast paced Games , but it should be faster than the normal access to Main Memory
I got one used just recently, it seemed pretty cool and the iGPU performs pretty well. However, for whatever reason, the TB controller doesn't work, so even thought I'd probably never use it with an eGPU it sort of rankled that I didn't have the option. I got a M2 oculink egpu dock from aliexpress. It didn't work initially, until I used a M2 extender in between, ostensibly to bring the second M2 slot outside for easy access. Now I can connect to a GPU via oculink. Need to sort it out as a media/ emulation centre now.
That giant hunk of copper looks like it may also be hiding a vapor chamber.
Great video. Seeing how this machine can handle steam os would be great to see.
That fucking ad read was amazing,
that power supply is almost bigger than the pc itself lol
I think I bought it in dec 2018. I remember to be more powerfull than a ps4 pro but less than a One X. I use it almost every day as a media PC connected to my TV. I really like it.
When is the home made watercooling/overclocking video coming?!
I could see this being useful as a mobile dongle combo with a wireless monitor for out of the house and docking at home with an egpu could be really useful if you can afford one.
I had one for a while. Pretty great small form PC capable of decent gaming and editing. I found it wasn't enough to replace my actual desktop, even when it was new.
What kind of performance do you get in cyberpunk if you enable FSR
Well done good sir. How about reviewing some tasty New England beers?! There's lots to choose from.
I use this as my download machine. Didn't try many games on it but it should be able to find most seventh gen, well optimized games at 1080p 60 fps max settings.
Would you advocate buying 3200 or 2933 memory. The 3200 memory seems to be CL20 whereas the 2933 is CL17. Trying to get the best performant memory for my unit.
I got a hystou branded "knockoff" (i.e. mini pc with a light up skull on it and the i7 8709G) it works really well, but recently I put a thermalright silver arrow on it to oc it.
Mine from 2018 is still going hard actually
great video - +1 for SteamOS on the NUC!
dumb question, you think is possible to play games in 8k with 4 Nvidia tesla p100 32GB HMB2 SMX2 or V100? like 8k high or ultra maxed out all AAA games with 128GB of HMB2 ram? maybe you can do a video like that by renting one of those amazon servers with 8 gpus i really want to see that maybe 16k resolution.
It would be rad to see this run Steam OS 3
Best unboxing ever!
What a perfect intro//
How does this compare to the performance of a Steam deck. I'd love to see a video getting SteamOS up and running on this as well.
This is SO MUCH FASTER than the SteamDeck.
Pity you can't compare it to Subor Z+ console 🤔
i had mine for couples years going strong, i did installed the Amernime software and runs great, i wish to have a water cooler system, like nexus did it. definitely one of the kinds.
looking at the foil has a bunch of air under it and how the carboard box has creases on the inside (seen at 2:25ish)
that thing aint new, someone just had all the bits still
That is not just a lump of copper but a copper vapour chamber. It's like heat pipe but flat! Look it up!
Can this thing run premier pro or devinci resolve?
That would make for a hell of a pfSense box... I'll show myself out...
"When Hades canyon freezes over!"