🎹 THE BALLET PIANIST 🧮 MUSICIANS vs DANCERS ways of COUNTING
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Let's take a closer look at an example of how musicians and dancers count the music for ballet exercises. I show you an example that I made in my master's research where I composed the music for the battements tendus in the centre and where I created a score in which I combined the dancers' counts, the musicians' counts and how the steps are combined with the rhythm.
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loved the score + dancer on the screen at the same time! as a pianist who's never played for dancers, it was really interesting to see : - )
Thanks Nathan! Very happy to read you 😃 Are you planning to play for ballet classes?
Beautiful music to dance to!!!
Many thanks! 😊🙏🏼
Hello from Brazil! Loved this video, that's was I'm looking for! Thank you!
Great! Happy to hear 😃👏🏼 Don’t hesitate to ask me anything that you need 🎶😉
Improvising from 4 or 8 bar structures is so much fun when accompanying good ballet dancers. Thank, Mariana, for sharing your excellent talents in musicianship, dance and teaching!
Yes! 👏🏼🌟 Thanks Paul 🙏🏼
Your work is so impressive
Thanks! 🙏🏼👏🏼
Thanks , I guess I have to dance to right count and understand to do this 😂
Thank you so much for your advices and videos 😊
You're so welcome! 🙏🏼😃 Well, if you dance that would be a great help, of course 😉👍🏼
This is great Mariana!!! Thank you so much! Thinking of the dancers steps as open, close, bend, stretch, prepare, etc. is so practical and clever for us non dancers pianists. I'm waiting for your Course! Best regards from Santiago, Chile
Thanks a lot Pablo! Very happy to see that a pianist from Chile watches my videos and that they help 😃 I’m working on the course 🎹💪🏼 You’ll know when it’s ready 👍🏼
Where are you playing for ballet classes?
@@marianapalaciospianistI'm currently on lockdown (it started this week), so I'm not playing at this precise moment, but prior to it, I started playing for the Professional Company of Ballet at the Municipal Theatre of Santiago (this march 2021). Some time ago I worked for several years on a similar position for the Ballet School at the same Theatre, and did some collaboration with the Company. This time I will only be working with the Company..
I've liked your channel so much, congrats! I got in touch with your work searching for learning material for pianists while working at the Ballet School. I remember finding your Gothenburg Master Degree Project very enlightening and useful,. I'm so looking forward for your online course to be ready. Can't wait!
Hope to see you soon.
All the best
@Pablo Ramírez Díaz so nice to hear! Thanks a lot! 🙏
It is fantastic seeing both worlds mixed in the video. It works so good! Great video!
Muchas gracias David! 🙏🏼 Yes, the magic of music and dance together 😍
Wowww brava!!!!! you are doing a fantastic job and very necessary for ballet accompaniment! I love your videos!! Thanks for sharing with the world : ))
Thanks a lot Andrea! 😃 Where are you playing for ballet classes?
@@marianapalaciospianist Trabajo en Amsterdam : )
Genius!!!! Me flipan tus vídeos. !!!!!
Gracias guapa!!! 🤪🤩😍😘
Muy interesante como siempre Mariana🙏😍😘😘😘❤️
Muchas gracias!!! 🤗 Podíamos hacer un vídeo un día sobre la relación música y danza en el flamenco 😍😍😍
@@marianapalaciospianist Por supuesto Mariana👏👏🙏❤️
Super interesting and well explained! Also useful for starting (adult) dancers who have little or no music counting knowledge.
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Thanks a lot Pilar! Happy to see that it’s also interesting for dancers 😃🙏🏼😘
Gracias Mariana por compartir tus conocimientos y experiencias! Son muy claros y divertidos tus videos 😊 Tu investigación se encuentra publicada solo en ingles? Si esta en español me sería mucha utilidad. Gracias y un gran cariño desde Argentina 🇦🇷
Hola Mariana! Muchas gracias por tu mensaje ❤️ Sí, se encuentra solo publicada en inglés. De todas maneras si necesitas consejos prácticos o asesoramiento escríbeme a mi email y estaré encantada de ayudarte 😊
❤❤❤ new sub ❤❤❤
Grathias 😂❤❤❤
Great! Welcome 😊😉
Could you make a video about counts in specific exercises for example tendus , jetes etc?
Hi! Well, this video is about tendus. Is not clear enough? Are you playing for ballet classes? Consider to join my online course if you need help and understand all the concepts ☺️😉
Hi again :) You'll also find other examples of different ballet exercises in other videos in my channel. Check it around ;)
The score thing is brilliant!!! Would love to see more. Also how do you deal with the teacher not counting when showing the exercise, but showing only quickly with their hands? How do you know, then, if the closing of the leg should be on the count or on the "and" ?
Thanks! 😃 That’s tricky to answer 😬 Is this teacher giving a class for professionals? I guess what you can do is to play a standard tendus or something that you know works well in general, and then dancers will fit the accents in your music 🤷🏻♀️ Actually, we don’t have to fit all the time our music with their steps. I think that’s important with students, but with professionals you can be more free. Does this answer your question?
@@marianapalaciospianist they're students but with good level (3-4 hours/day), although they're not on the beat. But I don't know enough to understand "where" each move should fall :)
@@MisterDelay then ask the teacher to show you the tempo and energy when he/she starts to mark the exercise. You don't need the whole exercise, but just the beginning. And explain him/her that if you see the tempo and energy everything will go better, not only for you but also for the students. But depends on the situation and other factors...
Key subject and nicely done! , what do you think about this quote? "In trying to ascertain the meter, it is often helpful to pay attention to the "and" upbeat voiced by the teacher. In the timing of that single word may be a hint as to whether a two or a three is desired. However, some ballet teachers out of habit disregard the implications of the way they voice an upbeat. If that is the case, the musician is better off making his or her own decision concerning the meter, based on the visual demonstration of the exercise. Not infrequently, the sound made by the ballet slippers doing the steps across the loor will provide a good hint regarding meter. If there has been no demonstration physically, the accompanist may just be out of luck, and if he or she guesses wrong, the teacher may have to stop the class and begin the exercise again with a change of meter. This may be disconcerting but is really not something to worry about too much for it happens all the time, even in the best of ballet companies. Meter is always a primary consideration, along with the establishment of exact tempo". (Teck, 1990, p. 108)
Exactly! Brava Katherine Teck and thanks Juan for sharing this 🙏🏼✔️ I’d say that in general is very clear what kind of pulse subdivision the ballet teacher is marking (duple or triple). Then, it’s the musician’s responsibility to decide which time signature to play. I have to say that sometimes I don’t know if I’m playing a 3/4, 3/8 or 6/8, or a 6/8 or 12/8. I mean, does it really matter to know exactly your time signature? It’s more about the feeling of the subdivision and what you do with your music to fill the musicality of the movements, right? 🪄🎶
Love your channel! Can you also share how you do contemporary dances? 😃
Thanks! Happy to hear 😃🙏🏼 That’s another huge topic... maybe in the future 😁 For now, I feel that there is a lot to speak about just with ballet classes 😅
Nice video. Thank you.
I’m still wandering why the dancers are counting the tempo twice slower than the music for a 2/4 or 4/4.
If you have any clue?
Best regards
Because they feel the natural pulse and not the beat of the time signature. It’s the same as if you ask audience to clap, they will clap in the natural pulse. In a 3/4 they will clap in only the first beat, and in a 4/4 they’ll clap twice. Is it clear now?
Thanks! 😊
@@marianapalaciospianist ohhh... ok.
I thought it was a more technical reason.
Thank you
@@jonathansoucasse9591 I haven’t researched on this, but I’m pretty sure that’s the reason. They feel the music in the body, more organic than musicians 😃
@@marianapalaciospianist perfect! Learning so much here!