In case you didn’t know, the fight animation was made by Morø Productions, the guy who made Indie Cross and the Murder Drones vs Helluva Boss animation
Yeah I feel like Mario debates shouldn't exist at all simply for that reason, all the games are so different and inconsistent from each other so it's almost impossible to really understand what these characters can and can't do, plus the world of Mario is supposed to be a wacky world with wacky abilities and wacky characters, the Mario franchise isnt consistent it's supposed to be wacky, where as for sonic it's supposed to be accurate and grounded, so comparing these franchises doesn't work and honestly it could never work.
15:58 Apparently, Super Neo Metal Sonic is actually from the canonical Sonic IDW Comics, which is Canon to the ganes, following the events after Sonic Forces. At one point when Somic and crew confront Neo Metal Sonic in order to save Angel Island, Neo Metal Sonic had absorbed enough Chaos energy from the Master Emerald itself to become Super Neo Metal Sonic.
@ Yeah but technically that was already the original dialogue which sure the fandub did popularise that line and make it informative to Eggman’s character but still in the original context it was an actual line with no connection to the fandub
I can't wait for Among Us vs Fall Guys. Anyone unaware does not realise how stupidly powerful these beans are. Also Bowser vs Eggman was peak. ALL HAIL THE KOOPA KINGDOM!!!
Eggman can kill Sonic at anytime but he wants to prove he’s superior and said this when starline tried to blow up Sonic and silver with out them knowing
I still think that bill vs discord is the best death battle mostly because the outcome was right but this was still a really good death battle the only problem I had was some of the nerfs on eggman, infinite, sage and the chaos emralds being wrong. Also what they said about time eater and other cosmic entities like void. Other than that this was the best Sonic death battle which is surprising because usually sonic death battles suck except silver vs trunks and sonic vs flash
0:01 EggMan Might Be Back For The Next Season Soon For Ganondorf DragMire In The Next Season Of Death Battle, But I'm Not Mad, But I'm Glad The Koopa King Bowser Has Won, But Poor E.G.G.M.A.N. Got His Good Fight There But My Prediction Of The Next Season Of Death Battle Is: Dr. EggMan Vs. Ganondorf DragMire I've Called It EggMan Would Win Again In The Next Season
I'm actually excited for the next time which I'm surprised by I still prefer the traitor from TTT (Gmod) vs the among us impostor, I like how it works thematically a bit more and feel like the animation potential is a lot more interesting but fall guy is still an excellent choice
Mario and them got that toon force energy which people tend to forget. Bowser gets Universal powers every other game lol. It’s a lot less restricting than Sonic’s universe. I think they explained it well!
Ganon can be beaten by non holy weapons too. You can do it in Breath of the Wild, you don’t need the master sword to beat Ganon in that game. He just has a weakness to holy weapons. It’s kinda like how a fire type Pokémon is weak to water type moves, but you can defeat fire types with non water type moves. Not exactly the same but it’s similar.
The animation and the battle was fantastic but the research was pure crap again. First of all they assume the Grand Stars which are plenty in numbers can even be equal to the Chaos Emeralds who's powers have no limits and shown to be able to recreate realities and universes. Secondly they assume Kamek or the Dream Bowser blast can even affect a Super Form or a machine empowered by those gems when it is a fact that these forms are invulnerable to everything. Then they ignored the fact that the Phantom Ruby makes illusions a reality making assumptions that they were just perception when it is an established fact that whatever the Ruby makes is a reality for the opponent meaning that it can hurt them or kill them not to mention that Eggman doesn't have only one Phantom Ruby. Then I noticed that they ignored Sage and her ability to calculate battle scenarios finding the scenario where Eggman could win. At the end of the day though it's just an opinion and nothing more.
Nah there's no way Sage could calculate a possible win against an army of over 98 MILLION with NO data on the Koopa Troop WHILE they can all use mario power-ups + Kamek's magic PLUS the Wonder Flower throws all that phantom ruby or super forms stuff out the window by changing the universe itself
Though I do agree that there were a lot of problems that could tip the scales moreso towards Egghead, I think that pretty much everything you said is inaccurate on at least some level. Some more than others, but here's what I have to say about it- Rosalina recreated the universe and survived several big-bangs, which implies that she recreated the universe before with the Grand Stars/Power Stars. Bowser directly scales to Rosalina because it's implied that they fought some more times after Super Mario Galaxy. No, the Super Forms aren't invincible. Eggman quite literally stole the chaos-emeralds out of Super Sonic. That was a specific case, but they are definitely, by definition, NOT completely invulnerable. Whether or not Bowser could actually take advantage of that is a whole other can of worms, for me leaning towards "no" but not sure. Phantom Ruby making illusions a reality still gets countered by King Boo, teleportation, or transmutation. Plus, Bowser already resisted Mind Control before so unsure of how effective illusions would be. In terms of all Phantom Rubies together, I'm pretty sure that at a big disadvantage, a "Swap Stars" option appears for Chance Time /j. In any case, the point is the same, you just take all the Rubies away at once, maybe with a Barter Box if Kamek's unavailable. Or reshape the universe to your will with the Wonder Flower. They EXPLICITLY handled Sage in the analysis. Straight from the video, Sage did think that the Titans were unbeatable. Which they weren't; Sonic beat them. And this was with data augmented by the Ancients. With 98 million koopa troops to worry about, each of which can be supplied with an item (Paper Mario TTYD), power-ups (multiple sources), healing, buffs, debuffs, and everything else they could possibly do or have added to them, combined with Bowser, Bowser Jr.'s, Kameks, the Koopalings, and others potentially shifting the tide of battle, all with NO PRE-EXISTING DATA, it'd be hard to come up with a surefire battle plan. And even worse than that, Bowser is confirmed to be able to hold 10 items at once at minimum, and 99 of each seprate item at max. So uhhh that's Bowser with possibly 11 lives (minimum) that they have to muck through, not to mention just becoming straight-up immune to most damage for a total of like 3 minutes, screen nukes that could most likely take down most of Eggman's army, making, like, 99 people intangible, RESETTING THE ENTIRE BATTLE AFTER A LOSS UP TO 19 TIMES... yeah that'd be difficult for any computer to take on.
This Death Battle made me lose all hope for the show. The fact this happened so soon after Omni-Man Bardock? The lowballing they did to the Sonic verse here hurts. Like putting the Emeralds at planetary, Infinite and the Phantom Ruby at planetary, and using Solaris as a speed feat when Solaris puts Sonic characters at higher dimensional. And calculating speed for something that is omnipresent throughout all of time and space. I'm tired of the disrespect they give to game Sonic. They haven't ever done one of my favourite series justice. Not to mention, they show Infinite and Metal dying, but not Kamek, he just gets blasted into the distance? The animation is as biased as Mario Vs. Sonic 2. And the reasoning for the Time Eater was so dumb. Why would Eggman bring out Time Eater before destroying Time-space and erasing all of Bowser's wincons from time? Isn't he supposed to have the intelligence advantage?
@epiccarrot88 The put the emeralds at universal. They say one emerald is planetary. Infinite is a jobber. Kamek did die and the time eater would just get countered by dreamy bowser
@@Warking19 Time Eater could just erase the Dream Stone from time. Also Chaos Emeralds are consistently said to have infinite power. Also also Infinite is not a jobber, they completely misunderstood how the Phantom Ruby works. Kamek didn't die he got launched into the distance. Pure Hearts got damaged by the Void which Time Eater acts almost exactly like, so would be destroyed by the Time Eater before they could be used.
@epiccarrot88 Infinite lost to some kids oc. "I-m n-n-not weak". We don't know if kamek survived or not. He got launched into the distance after super metal sonic punched him square in the face. If the chaos emeralds had infinite power then super sonic would never need to struggle. Also that's a no limits fallacy. Also the dream stone has control over time and came back after being completely destroyed.
@ when i mean eggman, i mean his empire, metal never used chaos control or turned into metal overlord, sage never used the titans for some reason and they low balled infinite hard
@@XanderG-v6y They did they just lowballed him like all other Sonic characters. Don't get me wrong they lowballed Bowser and both of their cosmologies too but they consistently say that Sonic characters are universal- low multi when that's just not true. Even if that were the case they gave Eggman Metal, Egg wizard, Infinite, and Time eater, which are all multiversal. Only characters on Bowsers side that they stated to be universal or higher was Bowser and King boo. They said Bowser outhaxes and has similar attack power, but it doesn't make up for the fact that he's getting jumped by multiple multiversal opponents who have resistances to his magic. They also said that the phantom ruby is illusion based when it's just straight up reality warping (Even tho I don't think they should've included infinite). Death battle is just straight up wrong on their logic. g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2024/11/death-battle-predictions-bowser-vs.html
In case you didn’t know, the fight animation was made by Morø Productions, the guy who made Indie Cross and the Murder Drones vs Helluva Boss animation
Like another comment from that video said: no wonder they needed two sponsorships
I love how when eggman died his army just decided to join bowser’s army
who else is gonna hire em? not like theyre gonna go work at mcdonalds
Despite Eggman loosing, this is now my most favorite death battle
Mines too.🤔😎✌️
People don't understand that Mario characters are incredibly broken. Mario canon is not as restrictive as Sonic's.
Pretty much reason that many people agreed mario and luigi could beat Sephiroth
Yeah I feel like Mario debates shouldn't exist at all simply for that reason, all the games are so different and inconsistent from each other so it's almost impossible to really understand what these characters can and can't do, plus the world of Mario is supposed to be a wacky world with wacky abilities and wacky characters, the Mario franchise isnt consistent it's supposed to be wacky, where as for sonic it's supposed to be accurate and grounded, so comparing these franchises doesn't work and honestly it could never work.
15:58 Apparently, Super Neo Metal Sonic is actually from the canonical Sonic IDW Comics, which is Canon to the ganes, following the events after Sonic Forces. At one point when Somic and crew confront Neo Metal Sonic in order to save Angel Island, Neo Metal Sonic had absorbed enough Chaos energy from the Master Emerald itself to become Super Neo Metal Sonic.
I appreciate during the Eggman section they referenced the “I miss my wife….Tails” joke from SnapCube’s Sonic Adventure 2 dark story fandub
Also ive come to make an announcement
@ Yeah but technically that was already the original dialogue which sure the fandub did popularise that line and make it informative to Eggman’s character but still in the original context it was an actual line with no connection to the fandub
I can't wait for Among Us vs Fall Guys. Anyone unaware does not realise how stupidly powerful these beans are. Also Bowser vs Eggman was peak. ALL HAIL THE KOOPA KINGDOM!!!
Fall guys characters can't die but among us characters can die that's just it 😂
@@playermaster1597 but they can sus people out
@@l0sts0ul89 That is true but I'm pretty sure that the beans have survived out in space before so
Eggman gets obliterated:
Sage: ... "Father...?"
*pat sage on her back* sorry kid
So far the Sonic Series has gotten only 6 Victories and the victors were
Amy Rose
Archie Silver
Shadow
Sonic
Tails
Metal Sonic
Metal sonic lost his Db
@@huntersmith561 Eggman vs Dr willy they counted that as Metals victory
@@justinmyers7587 correct
Hype reaction. Loved this episode. Probably my new favorite in the show tbh lol.
Eggman can kill Sonic at anytime but he wants to prove he’s superior and said this when starline tried to blow up Sonic and silver with out them knowing
All Hail The Koopa King!
I still think that bill vs discord is the best death battle mostly because the outcome was right but this was still a really good death battle the only problem I had was some of the nerfs on eggman, infinite, sage and the chaos emralds being wrong. Also what they said about time eater and other cosmic entities like void. Other than that this was the best Sonic death battle which is surprising because usually sonic death battles suck except silver vs trunks and sonic vs flash
this episode was just way to good
That next time is DIABOLICAL tho 💀💀😭😭
@@ryanbates3319 ye and i hope its goona be an army fight to fall guys ftw btw
0:01 EggMan Might Be Back For The Next Season Soon For Ganondorf DragMire In The Next Season Of Death Battle, But I'm Not Mad, But I'm Glad The Koopa King Bowser Has Won, But Poor E.G.G.M.A.N. Got His Good Fight There But My Prediction Of The Next Season Of Death Battle Is: Dr. EggMan Vs. Ganondorf DragMire I've Called It EggMan Would Win Again In The Next Season
You know Master Chief vs Doom Slayer is for next year, right?
I'm actually excited for the next time which I'm surprised by
I still prefer the traitor from TTT (Gmod) vs the among us impostor, I like how it works thematically a bit more and feel like the animation potential is a lot more interesting but fall guy is still an excellent choice
This is battle seems like avengers endgame
And bowser Jr support his team
The next death battle will be fall guys VS among us I wonder how the battle Wil be
PEAK. ITS PEAK
Mario and them got that toon force energy which people tend to forget. Bowser gets Universal powers every other game lol. It’s a lot less restricting than Sonic’s universe. I think they explained it well!
At least many years later, we don't get Metal Sonic winning again.
Metal sonic carried the entirety of egg man’s team
I AM HERE
in an allmighty fashion
Did Bowser just pull a black flash on Eggman in the end?
My first death was to a goomba but I never played a Mario game at the time so I didn’t know how to beat them.
The Bowz wins!
I have arrived before others could do the same
Yo did I see gooseworx in chat, lets go
much better than jake paul vs mike tyson
I Got A Name For Your Channel GorTheGameGod
I think Bowser beat Ganon
Well… Ganon can only be put down by holy weapons
He does
@josephsharp6221 dream stones and pure hearts seem pretty holy
Ganon can be beaten by non holy weapons too. You can do it in Breath of the Wild, you don’t need the master sword to beat Ganon in that game. He just has a weakness to holy weapons. It’s kinda like how a fire type Pokémon is weak to water type moves, but you can defeat fire types with non water type moves. Not exactly the same but it’s similar.
In reality Eggman stomps. But at least the fight animation was good. Even if the research was wrong.
Bowser wins (But yeah the research wasn't good)
@@jajao4943The research was great. Just because you disaggre dosent make the research bad. Its objectively really good
The animation and the battle was fantastic but the research was pure crap again. First of all they assume the Grand Stars which are plenty in numbers can even be equal to the Chaos Emeralds who's powers have no limits and shown to be able to recreate realities and universes. Secondly they assume Kamek or the Dream Bowser blast can even affect a Super Form or a machine empowered by those gems when it is a fact that these forms are invulnerable to everything. Then they ignored the fact that the Phantom Ruby makes illusions a reality making assumptions that they were just perception when it is an established fact that whatever the Ruby makes is a reality for the opponent meaning that it can hurt them or kill them not to mention that Eggman doesn't have only one Phantom Ruby. Then I noticed that they ignored Sage and her ability to calculate battle scenarios finding the scenario where Eggman could win. At the end of the day though it's just an opinion and nothing more.
Nah there's no way Sage could calculate a possible win against an army of over 98 MILLION with NO data on the Koopa Troop WHILE they can all use mario power-ups + Kamek's magic PLUS the Wonder Flower throws all that phantom ruby or super forms stuff out the window by changing the universe itself
Though I do agree that there were a lot of problems that could tip the scales moreso towards Egghead, I think that pretty much everything you said is inaccurate on at least some level. Some more than others, but here's what I have to say about it-
Rosalina recreated the universe and survived several big-bangs, which implies that she recreated the universe before with the Grand Stars/Power Stars. Bowser directly scales to Rosalina because it's implied that they fought some more times after Super Mario Galaxy.
No, the Super Forms aren't invincible. Eggman quite literally stole the chaos-emeralds out of Super Sonic. That was a specific case, but they are definitely, by definition, NOT completely invulnerable. Whether or not Bowser could actually take advantage of that is a whole other can of worms, for me leaning towards "no" but not sure.
Phantom Ruby making illusions a reality still gets countered by King Boo, teleportation, or transmutation. Plus, Bowser already resisted Mind Control before so unsure of how effective illusions would be.
In terms of all Phantom Rubies together, I'm pretty sure that at a big disadvantage, a "Swap Stars" option appears for Chance Time /j. In any case, the point is the same, you just take all the Rubies away at once, maybe with a Barter Box if Kamek's unavailable. Or reshape the universe to your will with the Wonder Flower.
They EXPLICITLY handled Sage in the analysis. Straight from the video, Sage did think that the Titans were unbeatable. Which they weren't; Sonic beat them. And this was with data augmented by the Ancients. With 98 million koopa troops to worry about, each of which can be supplied with an item (Paper Mario TTYD), power-ups (multiple sources), healing, buffs, debuffs, and everything else they could possibly do or have added to them, combined with Bowser, Bowser Jr.'s, Kameks, the Koopalings, and others potentially shifting the tide of battle, all with NO PRE-EXISTING DATA, it'd be hard to come up with a surefire battle plan. And even worse than that, Bowser is confirmed to be able to hold 10 items at once at minimum, and 99 of each seprate item at max. So uhhh that's Bowser with possibly 11 lives (minimum) that they have to muck through, not to mention just becoming straight-up immune to most damage for a total of like 3 minutes, screen nukes that could most likely take down most of Eggman's army, making, like, 99 people intangible, RESETTING THE ENTIRE BATTLE AFTER A LOSS UP TO 19 TIMES... yeah that'd be difficult for any computer to take on.
This Death Battle made me lose all hope for the show. The fact this happened so soon after Omni-Man Bardock? The lowballing they did to the Sonic verse here hurts. Like putting the Emeralds at planetary, Infinite and the Phantom Ruby at planetary, and using Solaris as a speed feat when Solaris puts Sonic characters at higher dimensional. And calculating speed for something that is omnipresent throughout all of time and space. I'm tired of the disrespect they give to game Sonic. They haven't ever done one of my favourite series justice.
Not to mention, they show Infinite and Metal dying, but not Kamek, he just gets blasted into the distance? The animation is as biased as Mario Vs. Sonic 2.
And the reasoning for the Time Eater was so dumb. Why would Eggman bring out Time Eater before destroying Time-space and erasing all of Bowser's wincons from time? Isn't he supposed to have the intelligence advantage?
@epiccarrot88 The put the emeralds at universal. They say one emerald is planetary. Infinite is a jobber. Kamek did die and the time eater would just get countered by dreamy bowser
@epiccarrot88 Also they don't say it aloud but in the corner box they do mention the time eater getting countered by the pure hearts
@@Warking19Kamek didn’t die, you can see him on the right side of Bowser right before the explanation starts.
@@Warking19 Time Eater could just erase the Dream Stone from time. Also Chaos Emeralds are consistently said to have infinite power. Also also Infinite is not a jobber, they completely misunderstood how the Phantom Ruby works. Kamek didn't die he got launched into the distance. Pure Hearts got damaged by the Void which Time Eater acts almost exactly like, so would be destroyed by the Time Eater before they could be used.
@epiccarrot88 Infinite lost to some kids oc. "I-m n-n-not weak". We don't know if kamek survived or not. He got launched into the distance after super metal sonic punched him square in the face. If the chaos emeralds had infinite power then super sonic would never need to struggle. Also that's a no limits fallacy. Also the dream stone has control over time and came back after being completely destroyed.
they lowballed eggman
Hell no they gave him everything all of his arsenal. The one thing he didn’t have was the time stones.
@ when i mean eggman, i mean his empire, metal never used chaos control or turned into metal overlord, sage never used the titans for some reason and they low balled infinite hard
@@randomperson-real That's because infinite is a jobber. He lost to some kids oc
@@XanderG-v6y They did they just lowballed him like all other Sonic characters. Don't get me wrong they lowballed Bowser and both of their cosmologies too but they consistently say that Sonic characters are universal- low multi when that's just not true. Even if that were the case they gave Eggman Metal, Egg wizard, Infinite, and Time eater, which are all multiversal. Only characters on Bowsers side that they stated to be universal or higher was Bowser and King boo. They said Bowser outhaxes and has similar attack power, but it doesn't make up for the fact that he's getting jumped by multiple multiversal opponents who have resistances to his magic. They also said that the phantom ruby is illusion based when it's just straight up reality warping (Even tho I don't think they should've included infinite). Death battle is just straight up wrong on their logic.
g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2024/11/death-battle-predictions-bowser-vs.html
Its wrong by the way
@@reggielacey2235 you have a sonic pfp. Are you sure your not biased
Mate, I love Sonic and even I agree with DB's conclusion. This was a close fight that gavw amazing reasonings for both sides winning
@@Warking19 g1dbteamblogs.blogspot.com/2024/11/death-battle-predictions-bowser-vs.html
@@Warking19100% biased
@@fatcat1 him or death battle