Does God PREDESTINE Some People To Hell And Others To Heaven?
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- Опубликовано: 5 июл 2024
- Does God predestine some people to go to hell and others to heaven before they are even born? Does God create some people with the intent of sending them to hell? If so, did these people ever have a chance to be saved? And, does this make God somehow unfair if some people are chosen for salvation and others are not? This video will go into depth on the topic of double predestination and whether or not God predestines some people to hell.
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TIME STAMPS:
00:00 - Opening Question
00:19 - Explanation of Terms
01:13 - Preview of Video
01:49 - 6 Foundational Premises
04:28 - Position #1 - "God Does NOT Predestine People to Hell"
05:13 - Scriptures to Support Free Will
08:09 - MAJOR Problem With The Free Will Argument
09:45 - Position #2 - "God Chooses Who Will Be Saved Beforehand"
10:02 - Scriptures to Support Predestination
12:03 - Scriptures to Support Reprobation
14:23 - Key Passage On Predestination EXPLAINED
19:03 - MAJOR Problem With The Predestination Argument
19:37 - Key To Understanding Predestination Correctly
26:09 - My Position On Free Will vs. Predestination
Hey BEAT family! I got a deep one for you all today. WARNING: This video is not for those who simply want to just skim through and get a quick answer. I had to take my time with this and really try to break this down and look at it from all sides. I hope you appreciate and enjoy this video and I look forward to hearing your thoughts as always below. Enjoy!
Did your view point change on this? Your previous videos on Calvinism you seemed to disagree with Calvinists.
@@jdj2022 no. My position has been the same throughout. You may have been slightly misunderstood or perhaps I wasn't as clear as I should have been. Can you help me understand what you thought my position was on this so I can clarify?
My take on the elect has always been to Jews/12 tribes of Isreal. He chose (or promised) Abraham certain things. It shows consistency in the two Testaments.
God chose (predestined) his people (Isrealites) to be "the Elect".
He didn't choose us gentiles but through Jesus, we are adopted to the Elect. Grafted to the vine by accepting the finished work of Salvation.
The idea of a predestined elect is to show God's consistancy through the different dispensations.
Only God knows the depths of who we are as humans. He is very mysterious, no matter how you explan it.
Romans 8:29 💝
"For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren."
Brother Allen, you leave out the possibility that, along with other mysteries of scripture, both are true. That God chooses, and we have no part in the decision, which is the Calvinist view, and that people have to make a decision, which is the Armenian view. Is it not possible that God chooses, ANd we must also decide to either accept His gift or reject it? In other words, neither The calvinist View nor the Armenian view are 100% correct. There are many things about God that are both/and as opposed to either/or. Perhaps this is one of them.
The last part of this video where Allen talks about bringing the gospel to as many people as possible is so true. I finally built up the courage through Jesus of course, to do this with a young man I encountered while on patrol ( I’m a police officer). This guy had basically lost all hope, was having suicidal thoughts and was seeking to be committed to a mental health facility. I drove him to a local hospital for assistance, but while I drove him there I decided to try my hand at evangelism. I asked him how many times he had been through this broken man made system, which he replied multiple times. Clearly the system isn’t helping and he is stuck in an endless cycle of misery and pain. So I asked him if he believes in God, which he replied yes. When I asked if he knew the gospel, he replied no. When explained the gospel to him and recommended putting his troubles on the savior, his eyes lit up. By the time we were done with our conversation along with an invitation to my church, he was in a completely different state of mind. He went from a man who had no hope whatsoever to someone who had just been given the world. I have been praying for him ever since that he will continue to seek the Lord and hope to see him at my next church service. I was very hesitant about trying to evangelize a complete stranger for a long time, and I continued to pray to God to give me the strength, the feeling I had after this encounter was amazing. If your like me, continue to ask God for the strength and get out there, you won’t regret it.
Great story and you should be highly commended. I About 14 years ago, I became very suicidal myself (7 attempts) and was admitted to a mental health facility three times. I think Allen's view that God predestines some to go to heaven and others to go to hell before they are even born is very misplaced. You said the young man's eyes lit up when you told him to give his troubles to the Lord (the very thing I ended up doing which completely broke my suicidal cycle, something three batteries of psychiatrists could not do). But what do you think he would have thought if you told him what Allen said in his video that God preordained at the beginning of time who was going to be saved and who was going to be unsaved no matter how much they believed in God? If it was me, I would have become even more suicidal after hearing that.
@@Madlou thank you very much, glory to God. Yea I agree with u, I don’t necessarily agree with this message either but I don’t pretend to know the answers to these questions by any means. And you know as well as I do that bringing this point up before someone in that state of mind would be a terrible idea. That’s why I just kept it simple and told him about the gospel that he had never heard before. And praise the Lord that he helped you out of your troubles as well Louis, may he continue to bless you. And thank you for the kind words sir.
Oh man. What a testimony!
HalleluYAH! 🙏 That's wonderful! Well done!
Wow. That was such an amazing story. Thank you for sharing. ❤️
The Lord gives me strength, it’s only because of him I have persevered. I have two beautiful boys both are autistic. My husband passed away years ago. I’m all alone. I lost my job over declining the vaccine. LIKE MANY OTHERS! I declined due to my pre existing health conditions lupus and heart disease. I’ve been struggling to provide for myself and my children since losing my job from Forsyth hospital. I’m now waitressing, and I’m thankful, but I’m not making nearly enough to get by. Groceries are super expensive. Every month is a battle to not end up on the streets with my two children. I’m constantly in fear of losing my home. To even think about being on the streets with two young children is terrifying. But even as I face homelessness seemingly every month. I have faith, God will provide. With GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE! Faith over fear.
God bless you my sister in Christ! Just don’t give up and never stop believing He is working it out for you! You will not lose your home!!! I agree with you in prayer
Mark 11:21
Amen sis and condolences for your loss. I pray God's hand of protection and peace be upon you and your family in Jesus name amen 🙏
God bless you and your little ones. my condolences for your loss and I can not imagine how you must feel, but we have a strong mighty father and all things work together for those who love the Lord. I declare in Jesus name your blessing is coming, I can see your faith is unyielding, please stay in faith and watch the Glory of God!!🙏🙏🙏🙏
I don’t know if you are apart of a church family, and is firmly planted there, however I strongly encourage that. Being planted in a sound biblical church they should be able to help you. Pray and ask God to lead you a biblical church.
If The Lord predestined some to go to hell and not others, then that wouldn't be fair, which goes against everything that He stands for. Because The Lord is just, i believe that we all are given an opportunity to receive Him and His kingdom.
I'm far from being a calvinist but what you just said is not true. Because we've all fall short to the glory of God, our punishment is death which is totally JUST. If God wants to gives grace to one more than another it is His will and the saved ones only gets God's favor to be saved. The saved one gets grace, the unsaved one gets justice. God is still just. God loves everyone and there's no doubt about that. BUT! It is clear from the bible that God is more favorable towards some than others. As i said, i am not a calvinist and i have somewhat of an arminianist view towards predestination, but it is biblical that God gives more grace to some than others.
@@Saved_QcYes, amen! I certainly agree with you, brother. :)
There are just far too many Bible verses that emphasize God's choosing from the old treatment to the new testament. And let's not forget Romans 9!
I know that whenever God revealed His grace, love and power to me that it was Him alone doing it and it was NONE of my own effort! He was so gracious, and His timing was perfect and out of nowhere. ❤️❤️
I had no ability to believe, no desire for God and I in fact hated Him. I had loved Him years before but I was fallen. Well, one day He found a way to overwhelm me and reveal Himself to me again, and I it was ALL Him doing it. God must intervene and show His grace to us my revealing Himself to us, and it's when and if He so desires to. Man God is good. So good. ❤️❤️
Fair? God has every right to end us. Our sin alone is reason enough for that. We all fall short of the glory. His grace is what saves us and He CHOOSES his children
@@Solidsolo1028 Amen. None of us are deserving of God revealing Himself and saving any of us. The fact that He chose to save me and reveal Himself to me makes me love Him more than if it was my by my own choice! It's impossible for me to have faith without God giving it to me. Those who say they believe by free will and that they didn't have an instant change in their spirit have a false Jesus because it's impossible not to change once God reveals Himself to a person. You instantly want to be around other believers, you suddenly want to immerse yourself in the word of God, and you have unspeakable joy.
I heard a fella on RUclips, (free grace teacher who believes in free will), say that every morning he reads the same scripture every morning and he repeatedly says out loud I am saved by grace through faith and not of works least any man should boast" until he's convinced he's saved. The problem with that is that Jesus told us not to repeat the same words, or prayers hoping that they would come true. That's a form of witchcraft. If you don't have faith then ask God to increase your faith, but don't keep repeating the same thing until you have convinced yourself. That's not of God.
John 3.16.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten son, that who so ever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life 🕊Amen.
God's omniscience should not be confused with predestination: He has declared the end from the beginning! He has given us free will; choose you this day whom ye will serve! God is good! Be blessed!!!🙏🤗💞
Amen to that. Thank God, for he is good!!!
Then I guess you took Ephesians out of your Bible. Alan is 100% correct in his teaching.
@@jonathanharness2962 So, are you telling me that you can or cannot accept His offer of salvation? He gives everyone a choice; just because He knows what each individual will do does not mean that they were predestined to heaven or hell! For example, Judas choice to betray Christ; it was his own choice, but God knew that he would. I hope this will help you understand the difference between an all-knowing God, and being predestined!🙏🤗💞
@@Richard-kf7py Judas was the son of perdition, chosen to betray Christ before the foundation of the world. Read Ephesians carefully and prayerfully and you will mature and understand Salvation is all of God and none of our doing.
@@jonathanharness2962 This is not a salvational issue, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this topic. I still love you as my brother in Christ. We will meet in the air!💯💞
Because God knows all things, I do believe He knows who will get saved and knows who will reject Him.
I hope you don't mean we are the one who choose to accept or refuse the salvation, then God just act upon that
He knows us from beginning to end but in life we still have free will. He knows exactly what we will do with that free will which is to follow him or not.
Thankfully we do not have the ability to see who and who will not receive mercy from God. Instead we are called to spread the Gospel. Some may not be saved the moment of hearing the gospel the 1st time. I’m sure many if not all who are saved can say we have seen God save someone at his own time and at his own will.
@@RichWeigel this is not Biblical. We were once dead in our sins. Those who are dead cannot choose to make themselves alive. Jesus said we must be reborn- we did not choose to be born the first time and similarly we cannot choose to be born again. All glory be to God for salvation by grace through faith in his only begotten son Jesus Christ. He chose us. We did not choose Him. Faith is a gift from God that we do not choose or earn.
@@codykelly9650 Nowhere does it say faith is a gift. Ever. That is a twisting of the grammar of Ephesians 2. Romans 6:23 shows it is salvation, not faith, that is the gift.
Brother Allen! I'm watching this 1 year and 1 day from the date you posted it, and I am thankful for this clarification. I have recently been saved and I've given my life entirely to my Lord & Savior Jesus Christ. I find your videos to be very helpful and educational with many questions I have. Thank you for your work.
Think of every despicable act there is on planet earth; murder, rape, child molestation, Satan worship, ALL religions that deny the deity of Christ, pornography, alcohol, drugs, and on and on; Calvinism says, "God in His sovereignty CAUSES all of these to happen. Sorry, I don't see that in the Bible. God in His sovereignty gives man SOME free will to choose Christ or not, to choose right from wrong, to choose good from evil. Unfortunately, man often chooses badly. The result: all the evil that the Calvinist says, God caused. My Bible says God IS love and is without sin. Here is absolute Biblical proof that God does NOT cause or determine everything; In Jeremiah 19:5 God says, “They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal-something I did NOT COMMAND or mention, nor did it enter my mind.” So, while God does predestine some things, He does NOT predestine everything. It is like a university predestining a football team next year, but giving free will to each individual player to decide whether or not to try out for the team.
This was such a thorough and well thought out video. It’s what I’ve been searching for. You broke it all down in a way I can understand. Thank you Allen. Also, this makes me fear and thank God more.
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture.
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The fact that God chose anyone is such a great mystery. He would have been just and perfect to let all of us go our own way.
This. This right here. None of us deserve salvation. We all deserve hell
I understand that he would of been just in letting all of us perish, IF he didn't plan or will for Lucifer to rebel against him, and then humanity to rebel. Since the rebellion was a part of his will, it doesn't make sense to me why we would deserve destruction when God was willing everything??
@@WhoAreYe You do understand that God created us that way right?? How could we be morally responsible for our actions if life is predetermined by our creator. We were created with a sinful nature by God and then punished for such a nature that was bestowed on us? How is that mercy?
@@edwin6146
20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump done vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory- 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?
This is Paul's response to EXACTLY this line of questioning. "Who are you , O MAN, to answer back to God?" This is just like in the book of Job when God finally answers Job and basically tells Him "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the world? Did you give me counsel?"
@@douglasmcnay644 That doesn't answer the objection. I never made a claim that God couldn't do as he pleased however to hold the title "Worthy of Worship" one must be perfect (without flaw). In a deterministic view.. God is the author of evil. There is no way around that. If God is the author of evil then he Can't be morally perfect. If God is not morally perfect then he isn't perfect which means he is not worthy of worship. Yahweh would be no better than Allah of Islam. I find that to be troubling and it doesn't follow logical
I had the thought "God knows who will be saved and who will not be so he had chosen" but after watching this I realize He knows, but He also knows who and why they aren't saved. Salvation is offered to all, not all will accept it.
Well said🙏🏼
Because of God’s character He knows who will be saved. But He still allows mankind to make that choice. God knew ‘Job’ would never ‘curse’ Him for example.
God knew who would be saved because He chose them before the beginning of time. You have to realize man's condition to understand just how bad of shape were in. We are naturally totally dead in sins and trespasses and at enmity with God. We hate God and not only want nothing to do with Him, but rebel against Him. We were dead! That's not a figure of speech. It means to die or to be dead. A spiritually dead person can't make spiritual decisions, he can't discern them AND it's all foolishness to him. If indeed man choose God, it's all essentially 'luck' on man's part. But one must realize that if spiritual things are foolishness to (the natural) man, how unlikely is he to make the foolish choice! Rather, as the Bible indicates, that man must be quickened to spiritual life, he can now discern and make a good choice. A choice, that due to his new nature, is the only logical choice. The spiritual man makes the right choice everytime, because all those that are born again (spiritual life) will overcome, and those who overcome will make it to heaven.
@cdr 777 not what I'm talking about. They'll ultimately run back to Christ. Logically, I think what you're asserting has the potential end of a once true believer rejecting Christ, and we are told, absolutely unequivocally, that will not happen.
@cdr 777 I didn't say you said that, simply that if you logically extend out the idea that a spiritual person could ultimately make the wrong decision, his end is perdition, and absolute impossibility.
I am so glad that I came across your video. This is an awesome explanation of Armininism and Calvinism. I thank God every day for His grace and mercy in my life. I am now a brand new subscriber and I am looking forward to watching more of your videos. Thank You and God Bless.
I thank God, for using you, brother Island Allen in Jesus' mighty name. For such a time like this I am blessed every time for the word of God in you brother keep up the great work of God.🙏
the part where he said thank God that he has chosen us hit me. I never thought of it that way. Another thing to be grateful for.
@Ben Jones he doesn't choose us arbitrarily
@Ben Jones you're misinterpreting Romans 9
@Ben Jones let's have a public discussion about this so people can understand each position correctly. That's not what Arminians believe at would you be willing to do that ?
@Ben Jones it's pointless to argue about it, if calvanism is real then there are people who are predetermined to disagree with it.
@Ben Jones i think the biggest mistake is thinking an omniscient God can't get his will done through free creatures
Pray God lifts the scales from the lukewarm and lost eyes, opens their ears and soften their hearts. Pray God brings revival to the earth. Pray the Lord of Harvest send forth laborers into the harvest. Pray God strengthens His children, gives them more discernment and wakes them 🙏🏻
Amen
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Amen and Amen
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Amén To that !
I was just finished reading Romans nine. Never heard of " double" predestination. You have just given me a clear understanding of the doctrine of predestination. Thank you.
What would be called double predestination outside of this certain belief of God would be nothing more than a fuller scope of what already goes on. For with the natural eye we perceive what man does. With the spiritual eye we perceive what God does. But is our spiritual eye so developed that we can plumb the depths of God? Just because I say that some are predestined to hell does not mean that some men just can't go to God, on a earthly level. It just means that some won't come, no matter what. This is evident in the world and in our preaching. How that some men resist until death and how others step in as amooth as butter. Or the opposite. How some men are drawn in like a breath in child labor, like Christ speaks of in John, there being joy in heaven because a child is born unto us, or others resist until there dying day and there receive Christ. They could not have resisted God choosing them by any means.
There is a Non-Calvinistic way to read Romans 9. I encourage you to look into those brother.
Thank you for this teaching. I was in the Army in 1967 and expected to be deployed to Vietnam soon. I started attending a Southern Baptist church near Fort Sam Huston in San Antonio Texas. I accepted Jesus as my Savior and was baptized. However, later I attended a conference where a pastor tought that if a person wasn’t elect they were lost no matter what they did or didn’t do, even if they professed Jesus and were baptized. This crushed my heart because I couldn't tell if I was elect or not. As a result I stopped going to church and returned to my former life habits, drinking and womanizing. However, I would periodically study the Bible and as I studied I began to realize that my desire to know Jesus and follow him proved that I was elect, so I started changing and cleaned up my life (a long process). If the teaching on predestination is not handled correctly it can drive people away from Jesus. Today I attend church and read the Bible daily and I have a strong attachment to Jesus.
My view was always this: there is predestination in the sense that God has a perfect plan for each of us to follow. Yet we have the free will to choose to follow that plan (by HIS power and HIS might), or to stray from that path, typically via the avenue of sin. Everyone has equal chance for salvation. it is available to all of us. However some people ultimately send themselves to Hell by rejecting Jesus, so he gives them over to their sin. Or as you said will pass over some people because they do not want him. He knocked, they said no.
I hold your view. I am not a Calvinist.
Jesus didn't physically show up to anyone's door.
And yet, humans are referred to as "imperfect," yet are expected to choose the "perfect" plan, or be punished for not doing so. Excellent. 👍
@@watchandjewelryloft4713 that's why Jesus is our ONLY WAY to God. God has given us grace and the chance to live eternal life thru His Son Jesus. 💖
@@janey5338 What proof do you have of such a claim?
When we talked about this in Bible College, it nearly destroyed my faith. Maybe that's why it's often not talked about in most churches, outside of denominational statements of belief.
I have a hard time believing God would bring a person into this world without a chance of Salvation.
That's because the Bible doesn't say that he does. You have a hard time believing it because it isn't in there.
I recommend James W. Knox's RUclips sermon titled One of Calvin's Blunders. Excellent!
@@josephbrandenburg4373 you’re absolutely right!
Which makes me wonder why Parr would even think this video is a good idea if he's trying to keep people believing in _hell_
It’s all over the Bible.
Excellent Bible teaching, Allen! Very clarifying with the Greek words and the difference between God predestinating people to hell versus God giving them over to their own desires to reject His gracious gift of salvation!
Thank you brother Allen for this extremely important video. The Living God's Majesty and Holiness is beyond our comprehension fully. Therefore it would be futile for humanity to understand without knowing Him. You spoke the truth.
God is good, brother! It's His mercy that gives us understanding; our very being is due to His mercy. None can boast. Thanks for posting this video (by God's grace)!
Even as wild sinners God still grants us the ability to believe. That is pure grace and mercy! Especially after we believe we realize how mighty that grace is.
Honestly this has to be the best video I’ve ever watched that summed up these three schools of thought. When going through Bible college I struggled with this topic so so much. And I remember one day in class we were having this discussion. Lots of verses were being thrown left and right and lots of convincing arguments were made from both sides of the aisle. But I still remember at the end of that class when my professor stood up and said so eloquently “so if some verses support this school of thought and other support the other than which is true? Well the truth of the matter is I don’t know…. And it is completely ok that I do not know. Because Gods ways are higher than our ways. And to be honest I doubt my human finite brain could comprehend the truth if it were given to me by God himself. But what I do know is that God has instructed me to GO INTO ALL THE WORD AND PREACH THE GOSPEL. And that is exactly what I will do. And whatever results come from it I will credit to God and give him praise for it.” That day I learned the doctrine of “I don’t know” and it has given me so much peace in life. I do believe that I am to read and study the scriptures and learn as much from them as God will allow me too. And as a pastor I strive to do that every day and then share what I learn with others. I love this topic and I think this video summarizes the different schools of thought on this topic so well. Great job brother.
the answer is both..its not either or..there is predestination but gives you choice in that destiny .its ridiculous to only pick some scriptures and make that ones virw cuz its a hslf truth
@@thegrigs777 that’s the only conclusion I can come to with it. Best and simplest way I can think to say it is God elects some but leaves the door open for others and his grace extends to all. That’s at least what the Bible seems to sah.
*say
@@thegrigs777 He predestines people to hell like He predestined you to write that comment. Did He write it for you? No. So easy to understand but unnecessarily complicated. *1 Peter 2:6-8* how can you take anybody who complicates this Bible passage seriously?
@@thegrigs777 you also can’t choose God as a natural man unless God intervenes. *John 6:44* *2 Timothy 2:25*
Watch people not being able to handle consistency now.
I appreciate the work you put into this Mr. Parr! It’s one of the best videos on this subject.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Once again... THANK YOU for this amazing video. I really love the way you present both sides of this issue fairly, and provide what you believe at the end. For whatever it is worth... if anything at all, I wholeheartedly agree with you, and believe the exact same thing.
This was spot on brother! Praise God for He is gracious & merciful and is faithful to fulfill His promise of forgiving all who turn to Christ in faith. 🙌🏽 He is a Father to the fatherless, our Rescuer, our Refuge, our Salvation.
Ephesians 2:8-9 says, 'By Grace, you have been saved through Faith. It is the gift of God, not from your works, so no one may boast.' Indeed, from the beginning of human race, the Grace was given freely to Adam and Eve when they were created to become God's children. When the first parents lost the Grace by disobeying God and, thus, committing the Original Sin, their descendants are born into the world without Grace, the life of their souls. No human beings, however holy they may be, could cancel the Original Sin and obtain the lost Grace. Only One Man, Incarnate Word, promised Messiah and Savior, could do that with His Suffering and Death on the Cross. And He, Jesus Christ Our Lord, gives the Grace freely to those who believe in Him and baptized through the teachings and ministry of the One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic Church He founded on St. Peter (Matt 16:18) and sent to all nations to teach (Matt 28:20, Mark 16:16).
Ephesians 2:10 says, 'we are created (namely, reborn) in Christ Jesus for the good works that we should walk in them,' which the baptized promises to God during the ceremony of the Sacrament of Baptism. 1 John 3:9 says, 'no one begotten by God commits sin.' To retain the Grace received, the baptized must not sin; otherwise, he will lose the Grace much the same way as our first parents lost it and death came. 'You are called to be holy (1 Cor 1:2).' 'No one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God (1 John 3:10).'
Now, after receiving the Sacrament of Baptism, could anyone live in the world without committing a sin and preserve the Grace? Yes, one can, but, since we are still weak against temptations, It will require assiduous efforts on our part to cooperate with the Graces given through the Sacraments Our Lord instituted in the Church, particularly, the Sacrament of Confession and the Holy Eucharist. Without the Graces from Sacraments administered by the Catholic Church, one cannot be saved. That's why 'Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the Church, no salvation)' is a Catholic Dogma (Catechism No. 846). For further information on this, please watch The Forgotten Dogma: No Salvation Outside the Catholic Church by Father Isaac Mary Relyea on RUclips.
People going to Hell is always their choice. The Bible clearly states that God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked but that he turns from his wicked way and live-Ezekiel 33:11.
Amen! Period!!!
You can't simply justify it. No one is chosing Hell. They'll most certainly be _sent_ probably kicking and screaming.
I don't know why Parr thought it was a good idea to try to explain it away. These are some of those contradictions. They're *still* contradictions, whether people want to acknowledge it or not.
Thing is, when you say God is in control, the sole creator of all, and holds all knowledge, past and present, there's no WAY that everything that happens and will ever happen, is not deliberate on account of God.
You can't have all power without all responsibility.
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@@wulfosaurus1835 Allen explained it well at 22:01. Yes God does harden but he hardens the ones that have Committed to themselves that they want nothing to do with him, do you not realize how much this world hates God? If God were to show up in the sky right now do you really think unbelievers would be leaping up for joy like a believer would? No, they’ll be terrified, they’ll worship God out of fear instead of out of love. God is not a dictator, He wants a world in which there is peace and love, if your scared of God and hate him because of the love and conviction of your sins then you won’t live with him for eternity. If you won’t let someone that hates and disrespect you live with you then why should God allow someone that hates him to live with him forever?
If He did something like poke out of the clouds and affirm His Word to people, you can BET that nearly ALL would start acting straight.
People don't "hate" for the sake of hating. There's always reasons, reasonable and unreasonable.
If God made hateful people, why would He even make them anyway at all?
I'm glad your channel came across my feed.
I love your ability to articulate your knowledge and understanding of the Bible.
What an amazing video, thank you for all the work you put in and well done 👏🏼
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Pastor? I've been so grateful for your videos. Your simple and straightforward way of spreading the word is so refreshing. I'm honored to call you my brother, Bob
Before I start watching I want to thank God for this message and also brother Allen for allowing God to use you to touch on such a difficult topic. Alpha and Omega the beginning and the end the first and the last! Nothing is nor ever will be a “surprise” to the almighty creator. Father let your will be done 🙏🏾
Thank you Brother Allen! Never knew any of this, but I never had anyone like you preach this to me before. Thank you again!
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 is this your personal experience or did you get this from someone else?
@@alientechnologies7021 Personal experience, i had several of them
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture. God will not choose people who do not love Him (if you love Me keep my commandments).
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 I see, I still dont see how your experience proves free will because scripture is clear when it says you did not choose me, but thats a pretty crazy experience you got there.
@@alientechnologies7021 Yes it says chosen so you have no room to boast
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People want the benefits of believing in Jesus without living life as a true Christian in Holiness, separation from the world. People treat Jesus like a fire insurance policy when He is so much more.
Unfortunately, many guys and girls treat each other superficially, fornicating with each other to get a sexual thrill and not truly loving one another, a true relationship founded on love has sexual gratification as just part of the marriage not the main goal.
Ephesians 5: 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her
I came across your channel a few days ago for the first time looking up information on a different subject. I'm a long time Christian for 48 years now. In my younger years as a Christian I wasn't faithful and lived in the world. I went back and forth over the years. I am amazed with His patience. God never turned His back to me. I've been watching some of your videos to see where you stand on different topics concerning God's word. I see we are in agreement so far.
Fantastic message! God is clearly not double minded! God already knew according to His foreknowledge what people would do. He knew people were going to go hell based upon their choices, not that He predestined anyone to chose to reject His plan of salvation or redemption just so they would go to hell for the fun of it. 💥🔥❤❤
I LOVE this channel. Nothing like an in-depth study. It´s exactly the long-form presentation RUclips was made for. Thank you for taking such good advantage of that.
Thank you so much for the explanation! I'm a new christian, and that was so enlightening!!! God bless, brother 🙏🏽
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture.
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Great video sir! It was last month or so when the grace of God allowed me to understand this.
I was listening to Romans and bam!!! It hit me how much God loves me because out of all the people ever created and will be created, He chose me to receive His grace. That day changed my understanding of God's love for me.
GRACW was sooo FREE that it was given to me way before I was even a thought in my father's mind.
Thank you Allen for your passion in sharing the truth to us and what the Word of God is really saying about these topics. I appreciate the hard work and sincerity you always put into your videos. Now I finally have a better understanding about predestination and how God pass overs those who do not want Jesus in their life. God bless you!
Thank you brother! I was struggling with debating my roommates about this topic and didn’t have all the scripture put together for a solid argument but you just did it in one video! God Bless you and your family!
Thank you, sir. I have just recently turned to faith after 34 years in this earth. I have sinned throughout my life without a hesitant moment, I believe in signs that the lord has presented to me and feel fortunate that he has done that for me. I was destined to be part of the damn yet he pulled me out of the line and saved me, I don't know why but I will forever be his son that will extend the hand to those who need it. I appreciate your wisdom in showing me thus translation of the Bible and have seen many just today. God bless
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
This topic has, many times, come up in conversation & also in my own thoughts. I knew what I believed & you have solidified my beliefs by bringing forth scripture & the subsequent break down & explanation of those Scriptures. Thank you for doing so & God bless you... keep up the good work! ❤
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Good morning Allen. I appreciate your teaching. You have a very clear, simple way of explaining the Bible. Thank you. As long as you’re in the public eye, and a stand for a truth and you love the Lord, you’re always going to be criticized, shame on those people. Continue pressing on toward the goal 🙏🏼
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Seriously thank you for this. I’ve been struggling with this even though it’s so clear in the scripture. I appreciate the way you break things down and take your time explaining scripture!
try "Soteriology101" and "Beyond the Fundamentals" if you want clarity :)
@@unitedstates3068 I respect their positions even if they are different than mine. We are all using the same book to arrive at our positions.
@@thebeatagp very classy. I like that!
Excellent explanation. May Yahovah continue to bless you with the ability, motivation, and revelation to continue to make more great videos like this. Thank you for you devotion to helping others better understand Yahovah and His ways and purposes for humans.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Thanks Allen, you have been gifted with the ability to explain things and make them easily understandable. Beautifully explained.
I totally agree with you brother, we are God's elect, predestined before the foundation of the earth.
I appreciate Allen for his teaching ability discussing through these tough, touchy subjects. Thank you Allen 👍
Please watch Leighton Flower's response to this video, and see how terribly twisted Allen has gotten things.
@@christian_gamer_guy6447 I did and I believe Dr. Flowers got it absolutely right 👍.
I have just subscribed!! Thank you very much for always delivering with sound scriptures. Listening to you is like sitting at Bible study with a friend or family member! I'm so excited to be back ( I was backsliding for awhile)to learning about the gospel. My holy spirit is yearning for this knowledge! I like the diverse topics of your videos as well, and you always put scripture first!! May God continue to bless you, and help you deliver his word! 🤗🙏🏽🌅
Glad you took your time on this one Allen, Yeah idk man my buddy I was in TCSC(Teen Challenge of South Carolina) with really believed with the Predestination thing. And I really didn't know at the time 2016 I was 22-23 But after reading the scripture it was clear ANYONE, EVERYONE, Whosoever,The WHOLE World, and together we came to the realization that really Anyone, Everyone, Whosoever....but don't be deceived we not only need to believe, we need to turn from our wicked ways as well
This video Allen is right on! We got to share the gospel to everyone
This was handled with wisdom and care. In complete agreement 🤝 Unity in Christ Jesus my brothers & sisters. 💯
Amen
Amen
As long as unity is not prioritised and obtained at the expense of truth.
If you think this was handled with wisdom, may Satan have mercy on your soul!
@@edwardcopeland5069 Perhaps Dr. Leighton Flowers would have done a better job?
Thank you! This is something I’ve heard but have been rather confused about. You’ve given me such insight. We should feel so honored to serve such a merciful father. My husband has introduced me to your teachings and my knowledge has grown deeper. I have the upmost respect for your humbleness in the way you apologized about the music video picture on the one you did of Beyoncé. I don’t understand how those who even remotely identify as Christians can listen to any kind of this worldly music these days. My husband and I was absolutely floored at the words of it but then again, neither of us know why we was with the conditions of the way this world is. Anyways, sorry I just got off topic but I wanted to thank you for that. May the Lord bless and keep you and your family. -❤️Your Sister In Christ, Lesly
This has to be the best break down of this subject I've ever heard..thank you so much brother...I share all of your videos on my fb...this one is definitely adding to the list today...Thank you 🙏🏽😊
Well put together, THANK YOU GOD for choosing me!
Remember the parable of the marriage in Matthew 22? When the chosen ones rejected the offer, the king requested his servant to call AS MANY AS possible, and no one was left uninvited, rather one was rejected because he came to the marriage in the wrong apparel (not clothed with the righteousness of Christ), YET many are called and few are chosen. Conclusion, all men do get access to salvation but those who do not put their trust and confidence in Jesus do not have salvation, those who believe are saved, all are called (Acts 17:30) but only those who to believe (have trust and confidence) are the chosen.
Also when the Bible talks of those chosen falling to come to the party and then everyone is invited its speaking of jews and gentiles. How the jews rejected Jesus and in their place the gentiles were invited
@@newtonmutea They freely rejected. Not because GOD enjoyed making them reject HIMSELF.
"basically saying a person's salvation largely depends on them, which goes against scripture" I respectfully disagree with this premise, which my Calvinistic friends always bring up.
Those that disagree don't say "salvation LARGELY depends on them", only that the person believed as per the following scriptures. (Obviously repentance is involved also)
i.e. Rom 10 "that if you will confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes resulting in righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made resulting in salvation. For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed.”
Rom 3 "Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight; for through the law comes the knowledge of sin. But now apart from the law, a righteousness of God has been revealed, being testified by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ to all and on all those who believe. For there is no distinction, for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God."
Salvation is a gift from God, as all have sinned. No one deserves it. Eph 2 "for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, that no one would boast Jn 6 They said therefore to him, “What must we do, that we may work the works of God? Jesus answered them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent.” Jn 1:12 "He came to his own, and those who were his own didn’t receive him. But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God’s children, to those who believe in his name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God."
Lastly, some state believing in Jesus is " largely depending on themselves" and " against scripture"....okay. Others say it's just not suppressing the truth and exercising the faith God has given all people. By repentance and belief they become born again. Rom 1 states all people know God exists i.e. some faith. " For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known of God is revealed in them, for God revealed it to them. For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse."
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Well said!
Calvinists don't believe the saving power of the Holy Gospel which is God's plan for our salvation, if God did choose some and not others, the gospel wouldn't be good news to whoever God doesn't choose
No.
This was a good conversation and messages. I agree we should be thanking God everyday.
Glory to God! Many blessings to you Brother Allen. Thank you for this thought-provoking video! In grateful humility, I am continuing to learn.
Congrats brother Allen! Your almost at a million subscribers! That is so wonderful to see. Praise the Lord and may the Lord continue to bless you for all your faithful work and efforts for the Kingdom. Hallelujah!
A true Christian who follows Jesus Christ fully is transported from the kingdom of darkness to the Kingdom of light, he goes from being a child of the devil to being adopted by God. When people are adopting a child, they CHOOSE to adopt the child that’s why it is called CHOSEN in scripture.
Romans 8: 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
This is one of the best podcasts I have ever listened to. You answered so many questions I have had in my five year journey with Christ. Thank you so much! You have no idea how much this helped me understand the timing of my own personal salvation.
I still dont know if im one of the elect because I gave my life to Christ 7 years ago and I was at peace and on fire for God at first and then something happned kind of a snowball effect and now im a real mess I know I want a relationship with Jesus and to be Holy I want to hate sin but my flesh always is to strong I dont get it its confusing and depressing have you had any similar experience or know anyone who has ?
I’ve been there. Please have heart and believe. Don’t give up on God cause he won’t give up on you. Don’t allow your heart to become so hardened that you can’t sincerely repent. Pray and ask God to change your heart. Talk to God and tell him your thoughts and slowly but surely you will start reversing back to where you once had fire. Be patient with yourself. Especially after backsliding. The first step is to REPENT. ask for forgiveness and don’t go back to that sin. You can’t do it without the Lord because our flesh is weak. God knows this so he waits for us. But you need to repent as soon as possible. I pray you will be guided by our Lord. God bless you.
@@Goldtaker23 I don’t know but I think it’s pretty clear you are one of the elect because of your desire. Someone who isn’t saved doesn’t have a desire God.
@Ben Jones I agree fully with what you say I think I'm still a babe as I've had a terrible time I'm various ways during my walk so I've not grown I want to grow more than anything though
@@Goldtaker23 You’re assuming that being a Jesus follower is somehow temptation free or sin free? The fact that you’re struggling is proof that you have been chosen by God. But if you’re serious about following Christ be willing to make sacrifices in order to bear spiritual fruit.
Thank you for your teachings. This is helping me to learn to think and reason about my faith.
In one of my visitations to hell, Jesus showed me a person who was a Christian (Jesus said “he was a Christian like you”). But the guy unfortunately started sleeping around (1 cor 6:9). He died middle aged and went to hell forever it was dark but Jesus lit up the area, he asked Jesus for another chance but unfortunately it was too late for him, Pretty sad, Repent and ask Jesus to help you with your struggles (James 4:7)
Masterful job of explaining these difficult concepts. T H A N K Y O U. 🙏✨
I believe that God knows Who is going to hell and Who is going to Heaven because of he is omniscient, however he did not predestinate us. He came to save the world, even when not all of us is going to be saved, that is what I believe.
I agree
Please read Ephesians carefully. God has chosen whom He has chosen to be with Him. The majority of people want a sinful life and God let's them have it.
Christopher I'm right there with you bro
@@jonathanharness2962 that's a lie of the devil that only ignorant clowns fall for, the holy gospel is God's plan for our salvation and you don't believe in it, you're not a Christian and you're not saved
@@jonathanharness2962 If you're referring to this verse
Ephesians 1:4-5 KJV
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: [5] Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
It says He has chosen those *in Him* meaning, in Christ, *whosoever* that may be, before the foundation of the earth He decided those people would be holy and without blame before Him in love. That's not talking about salvation.
This verse is talking about the destination that was planned for born again believers, not about non-believers being saved.
And verse 5 also is not talking about salvation at all, but the redemption of the body.
I agree with you Alan, great explanation, I tend to steer away from conversations around subjects like these, it can lead to arguments and pride, best to just stay obedient and faithful to our Lord and to just trust Him.
Exactly 💯
Heathens don't understand the ways of the Spiritual life for they are carnal minded. And don't understand the Spiritual truths.
@@torri4777 Amen 🙏
I do most appreciate your unveiling the many mysteries of God's Word. You're a great voice for the Lord. Please don't stop!!!!
Brother, thank you so much for your teaching. I love the format and the way you present opposing views/opinions. You do so in a non-threatening respectful way. You’re showing respect to those that may not agree with you. You always back up the opposing views with scripture explaining why people interpret it in the way they do. That is helpful and helps me to understand where people I may disagree with are coming from. So far we are in agreement. God bless you.
Thank you Allen for your clarification of this subject. Even in my church has been the subject of free will. Even I know that I am saved by God's wonderful grace and mercy. My father was a pastor at our church for 60 years. His favorite sayings which I keep today " The heart of the matter is the matter of the heart" and " It's not about religion but your relationship". Thank you for your words of wisdom.
Try and let your favorite sayings be scripture.
I am glad you are saved. Praise God!
This was excellent! Praise the Lord!
I’m so thankful for your videos 💛
During the times of "RUclips preachers" pointing out faults of other preachers, this message was full of the Holy Spirit. Well done brother in Christ. I thank God for your message.
He’s wrong. Did god send a lying spirit.
How do you know he's wrong?@@pnscar3
This video is the best explanation of predestination I have seen so far, it’s very clear and easy to understand. Great work this video was extremely edifying.
Thanks so much David Grays, I'm so glad you found it helpful! Thanks again for taking the time to watch. God bless you!
This video was a terrible terrible explanation of predestination. God has not predestined that certain people would be believers, He's predestined to save believers! The will of the Father is that those who look to the son and believe will have eternal life! It is by believing that we may have life in His name. Those predestined in Ephesians 1 are... the faithful in Christ! Please re-read, and see that no one is predestined to become the faithful in Christ... the faithful in Christ are to be adopted as sons!
You may feel edified by this video, but this video impugns God's character and distorts the very gospel itself.
@@christian_gamer_guy6447 Belief is a prerequisite for salvation, so to say God predestined salvation but not belief is a logical error. So if we are predestined to salvation, so then are we predestined for belief in Christ. Just as an orphan is chosen for adoption, by no act of his own, God has adopted His elect by His own choosing. From the passage you cited: ”In love He predestined us for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will” (Ephesians 1:5).
@@andyj6384 "Belief is a prerequisite for salvation, so to say God predestined salvation but not belief is a logical error."
No. There is no reason, biblical or otherwise, to think that God determines our belief. He want's us all to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth, and He is convicting the world of sin and drawing all men to Himself, but He doesn't force people to believe. He's chosen to save the faithful in Christ, He hasn't chosen some people to be believers.
"So if we are predestined to salvation, so then are we predestined for belief in Christ."
No one outside of Christ is destined to be saved. If we are in Christ, we are adopted as sons. We are sealed in Christ when we hear the gospel and believe, as Ephesians 1:13 says.
"God has adopted His elect by His own choosing. "
Yes, and "For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:40). He's chosen to save believers. it is by believing that we may have life in His name (John 20:31). We gain access to God's grace by our faith (Romans 5:2). His will is to save the faithful in Christ.
"From the passage you cited: ”In love He predestined us for adoption to Himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of His will” (Ephesians 1:5)."
Right... and the "us" here, are the faithful in Christ Jesus from verse 1 that He's talking about. He's talking to believers. Paul never says that God has chosen someone outside of Christ to be in Christ and be saved... no, it says He's chosen "us *in Him* " before the foundation of the world. He's chosen, from the foundation of the world, to save those who are in Christ or, us in Him. Notice how it does not say that He's chosen us TO BE in Christ. Calvinists often have a very hard time seeing this clearly, and I would urge you to take your time and really be honest with the text.
@@christian_gamer_guy6447 this was good, thank you...it really makes it much easier to understand and also explain to others!
Thank you for sharing this beautiful information with us. GOD bless you sir. 🙏
None of us deserve His grace.
Thank you so much for this very powerful insight. I’m always very grateful and appreciative of your research you’ve shared with listeners to help gain clarity on important topics you’ve discussed!
May God continue to bless you the speaker and the listeners of His Word, according to His own Divine Plan of Salvation for all Eternity!
Love it when you get into these deeper theological topics brother! I would say, given the complexity of this topic, this is a rather short video. I think you did well unpacking this topic in such a short amount of time. Thanks for the time, effort and research you put into to making this content! Your never afraid to talk about the hard stuff, as is required of us given 2 Tim 4:2.
Thanks again, God bless you sir!
Whoa hold up Allen
Saying God is not logical, but theological is just NOT TRUE.
Theological meaning = Relating to the study of theology, and pastoral training (why would God need pastoral training.
Logical or Being Logical = meaning. Is something that makes sense according to the rules of logic or something that is rational.
Make not mistake EVERYTHING God does or say makes sense.
And just because some people don't understand it, It's not God, it us. and what does the bible tell us to do. Ask. for wisdom and understanding.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
This was amazing man. God bless you brother.
Excellent presentation, very thoughtful and well-reasoned.
Really appreciate some of these videos, these are some of the exact thoughts I always had and struggled with as an atheist!
EXCELLENT explanation! Thank you SO much for your help in understanding a little bit more of this MYSTERY! 🙏🏻🙌🏻
It's always an encouragement to hear that a video has helped someone in their walk with Christ! Thanks so much for watching and for your comment, Elliotman07.
Thank you for teaching me this new way of understanding predestination and free will. God bless you brother, I can’t thank you enough!
Bro, these are really interesting topics you pick , i really enjoy them and i happen to aggree with your takes on these subjects you decide to make a video about. Keep up the awesome work and thank you
I believe he knows the future from the beginning. Therefore he knows what we will choose. Whether we follow him or not. We have free will and God knows what we will do with it. God bless 🙂🙏
But He also made you and has the ability to _change_ hearts and minds. And He knows full well who could benefit from God's action, as with He does with His chosen anyway.
Think it out, everything that happens is His Will. It's deliberate.
Also, beware ANYONE who says don't use logic. He uses "logic" for arguments in _his_ favor when it suits him.
Don't use logic. Yeah, don't think, just listen to me.
Exactly. He has already seen the ending. He knows who chooses Him and who doesn’t. It’s not that he sent people to hell but He already saw that they rejected Him
Bingo! I could upend all he taught in one Scripture. Dueteronomy 30:15 - 20. When God said "I set before you this day, life and death." It's the PLAN that God has predestined, not people. Whatever you chose becomes your predestination. And just because God knows everything does not make Him personally responsible for our choices
@@mpskin49 Beware when you try to sum up God’s will and Word in one verse. He gave us thousands for a reason, and many are ignored that completely refute this view, particularly in the New Testament. You could randomly take a verse from Deut. and convince everyone they must be circumcised. Peter, Paul, James, Jude, and others refuted that with LOGIC.
@@tracykarol my goodness gracious! Pray for discernment because you're wayyy off! Geesh!
The Gospel, is the call. If you hear, grace has been extended to you. Until you hear the call, you cannot respond. That’s why the gospel is the power for salvation. Those who have been predestined, respond to the call (the gospel) once it’s been given. That is why we must go preach the good news of the kingdom, to send out the call.
Some people hear the call and accept it with joy in their hearts but because they are not fertile enough soil spiritually speaking their faith quench and they fall back to the world.
Well said... GOD be with you and your family
Exactly!!
Thank you Corinne for this perspective and illustration! I recently accepted the life-changing grace of Jesus after 27 years of suffering and denial of His will which I believe He was using to prepare me for the ability TO accept His grace since I was not spiritually mature enough (not necessarily to be held unaccountable, but within my feeble humanity I couldn't begin to grasp the concept). I can see now how He destined me to come to Him precisely in summer of 2022, and I am humbled beyond belief that He would do so, I still cannot describe how extraordinary my experience has been. I am on FIRE to fulfill His will and be able to shepherd the elect into His Kingdom, and I thank God for people like you and the brothers and sisters in these comments who are part in furthering my knowledge of my Father and KING. 😊😊💕💕
why tho? i want to be with God but i have to do tons of exobiblical resrarch to understand it. i KNOW im not perfect. i am working on praying more and swearing less eta, but none of that matters, so how do i make sure im chosen? why not make a hell for bad humans, instead throwing them right in the same stinking hole as THE LITTERAL DEVIL!!!!???!!!
I so thankful to God that how you explained this subject lines up the way I understand the word. I have tried to explain to others this subject and scripture about the potter making something to keep and something to discard. Thank you Jesus for choosing me. Good job Allen.❤
Wow! Very powerful and clarifying….. shares all those verse again
I’m teaching this tomorrow online. What perfect timing!!
Wow! I hope you find it helpful. This is a very difficult topic to try and understand.
Hopefully you don't use his teaching on this, as it is lousy
@@thebeatagp Why is Jesus going to resurrect both the righteous and the unrighteous? read John 5:28
@@peterfox7663 you are right 👍 these so called spiritual leaders have no idea what the bible really teaches. Jesus spent three and a half years sitting up the way to understand the bible.And commanded his disciples to keep it going.read Matthew 28:16-20
@@peterfox7663 wow, I found you on RUclips lol
Awesome breakdown Brother Allen. Yes, a very difficult doctrine for our minds to grasp. I am sensitive to those who may struggle with this. Especially if they are being exposed to it for the very first time. It took me a long time to understand it as well. Due, in large part, to my one -sided exposure to God's love and mercy at the expense of not being exposed to God's righteousness and justice. Even now, there are days that I struggle with the Doctrine of Double Predestination. That is, until I prayerfully go back to the Scriptures, and see a complete and balanced view of God. And the Scriptures remind me that God loves us and that He also loves righteousness and justice (Psalm 33:5). Both sides need to be on display for the world to see and for us to have an accurate and balanced view of God. Also, I think we naturally get caught up asking the question, "Why does God choose some to be saved and passes over others?' When the real question we should be asking ourselves is, "Why does God choose anybody to be saved?" That being said, this does not mean that we leap for joy and do cartwheels when the Holy Spirit brings illumination to our minds concerning this tough doctrine. Like you stated, it just magnifies the AMAZING GRACE of God for choosing us before the foundations of the earth and for not giving us what we wanted as well. What this doctrine does for me, is that it causes me to ask, Why did you choose to save a wretched sinner like me, Lord? Why ME?
It’s a question that has been answered very clearly from the Calvinist camp already (by Paul Washer and others)
“God saw NOTHING in you!!!”
@@EricSmyth4Christ Amen brother! I'll add this- What he did see in me was my sin. And now, because of His amazing, overwhelming, unexplainable, grace towards me, He now sees the imputed righteousness of Christ in me!
2 Corinthians 5:21
Thank you for your reply brother.
But how do you know he chose you ?
@@davewatson2124 Hi Dave. Great question. Space does not allow me to go into detail about the sinful and immoral lifestyle I lived prior to 2004 and how resistant I was to God and the things of God. I had no desire to know Him or to please him in word, deed, or thought. I neither feared Him or reverenced Him. I lived a self-absorbed life and questioned God's very existence. The last thing I ever thought I would do in my life was to follow Jesus Christ. But one day in December 2004, I was sitting in a school office and in the midst of hearing some hard news about my daughter, I looked up with tears in my eyes and mouthed the words, "O' God," And all I can tell you is that something happened to me in that office that cannot be put into words because it has to be experienced. All I know is that I walked out of that office a changed man. All of a sudden, I had a deep desire to know God, read the Bible and to be around other believers in a church setting. Prior to that day, I could not retain God in my thinking for 5 minutes. Since that day, I have a constant awareness of His presence (not that I always feel His presence) and as I read and studied the Bible, I became convinced that the Bible is the Word of God, that Jesus is the only way to the Father and that I needed to repent of my sin and to believe unto Him for the salvation of my soul. At the time, I did not have an understanding as to what had occurred. But I now know that in that principals office, God graciously caused me to be born again. I say this because since that day, I have a burning desire to know Christ, to worship Christ, to love and obey Christ, to serve Christ, and to honor Him in all that I do. None of these desires were alive in me for the first 40 years of my life. This experience and the fruit that the Holy Spirit is now producing in me, is how I know that God graciously chose me. To God be ALL the glory!
Thank you again for your great question Dave.
@@loum.2864 Hi Lou You have similar circumstances to me. I was brought up in a Christian home but lived a sinful life as a teenager and young man and all the way until i was about 50. I got on my knees at work one day and asked Jesus into my life and slowly changed my ways. I read my Bible and pray every day. I attend Church and i was Baptised a couple of years ago. Now according to Alenn Parr who is a Calvanist i can not be sure i am going to Heaven [ nor can you ] I am now scared that Jesus will say to me those words "depart from me i never knew you" To me the Calvanist view makes a mockery of John 3 : 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son so that all who believe in him will not perish but have eternal life. Regards.
Brother, I don't have to agree with you to appreciate a well thought out and loving answer. Thank you (from a Wesleyan/Armenian friend) for as good of an explanation as I have heard. Let's just keep telling of the Love of God and be sure He is in just, loving, and merciful.
If God predetermines some to go to Heaven, then it's impossible He doesn't predestine people to Hell, with proves His favoritism of some over others, before their births, which negates Him being just, loving, and fair.
This was excellent!!!!! I had struggled with this for years and this helped so much!!! Thank you Allen!!!
Thank you Allen. I sat down this Saturday morning just to hear this and watch this video and now I find myself in a full on study! Your presentation was delivered beautifully and leads me to the word for further study. I appreciate your service to God and look forward to more teaching. Thx
Whoa hold up Allen
Saying God is not logical, but theological is just NOT TRUE.
Theological meaning = Relating to the study of theology, and pastoral training (why would God need pastoral training.
Logical or Being Logical = meaning. Is something that makes sense according to the rules of logic or something that is rational.
Make not mistake EVERYTHING God does or say makes sense.
And just because some people don't understand it, It's not God, it us. and what does the bible tell us to do. Ask. for wisdom and understanding.
Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Beyond the fundamentals YT
May you study the other views on these Scriptures also and ask God to give you understanding and not calvin
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what a topic. its one that a lot of people have trouble with in all parts of the topic. the video is defiantly enlightening on the will of god and really paints god as very active which i knew but didn't have a clear understanding of how. still my belief on the subject has changed mildly. good video
This was a very eye opening thought provoking and interesting topic!
The bible says that whosoever believes on the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved and have everlasting life. So that's what I believe
John 3:16 doesn't say anything about man's ability. It simply says that everyone believing in Jesus will be saved. John 3 also says you must be born again to even See the kingdom of God.
I've heard it put, "The sign over the gate to heaven says 'Those who pass through this gate have chosen God' but once in heaven it reads, 'Those who have passed through this gate have been chosen by God.'"
Either way I thank God I was chosen...
Amen!
I'm thankful God doesn't practice favoritism, so anyone who believes in Jesus will be saved and not a group of chosen favorites.
So how do you know you were chosen ?
God chooses us or does not choose us, what earthen vessel can argue with the potter saying why have you made me such?
Our salvation is by his will, for his purpose, and not ours, we have no part in it... We are that lost that God has to intervene....... At least that's how it was explained to me by a John MacArthur video
@@krustysurfer that is true. Salvation is 100% the work of the Lord. It is His salvation. We don’t deserve heaven that’s why it is a gift of God not earned by works.
Wow, this is a good explanation of the predestination. First time I heard the explanation of the Greek meaning of the words, that just makes sense.
So powerful & sent straight from God to me today for I literally JUST read Ephesians today & was kinda confused.
God plz don't leave me. It's been a season of unbearably agonizing things. I've stumbled, ive gotten up. I dont even know when the hits will stop coming. I give it all to you Father
He won't leave u
@@Yahshuaismyeverything Thanks, I believe He loves, ultimately the decision is ours and our free will. I chose Him
Do you watch Leighton Flowers, I feel he explains these verses well
I agree
He is good at straw-manning Calvinism.
Amen brother and praise the Lord all Glory to him that because of him I seek holiness and I know that I am one of the elect, and I am one of the chosen with the burning desire in my heart to preach the Truth to all the world.
Ohhh this makes sense now!❤