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United Airlines safety video: • Video
Humans Need not Apply: • Humans Need Not Apply
Soviet Moon Dust: • Soviet Moon Dust - Obj...
These things always end so abruptly, it often takes me a moment to realize it ended and my headphones didn't just die on me.
Descartes: I think, therefore I am.
Grey: Well, duh, obviously
1:21:03
I think of Grey as a mythical being, who originates from the ocean and meditates for a thousand years, only reappearing to make another video about the current state of brexit.
I like how often HI has been coming out recently! Just hopped back on the bandwagon and recouping the backlog and it's very encouraging to see new casts being uploaded. Big ups from Des Moines
can we just take a quick moment to appreciate the 360° moon video
While I like the moon itself, I'm sad about the lack of earth going around it, since the moon is tidally locked with the earth.
I like the graphics a lot too.
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I got inexplicably mad about not knowing who Leif Erikson is
Well History is hard.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinland
As an Icelandic person, so did I :D
We realized that somebody already lived there and instead of killing them all and stealing their land, we went back home. But sure, let's all just forget about that and celebrate the other Europeans that came there :D
I'm also furious
I'm Canadian, & my partner is Newfunese -- so, same.
I think the assertion that nobody knows this is what really got me.
"Vikings got there first."
Native Americans - "Are we a joke to you?"
to be fair the vikings were the first to sail there.
@@nelshedegaard9738 And the native americans walked over a landbridge that later melted if I am not mistaken.
Yeah, I feel like you gotta go with Columbus, or the Native Americans. Native Americans is the technically correct answer, Columbus is the more geopolitically relevant one, but Leif and company are neither.
@@SacredDaturaa What do you mean by Leif?
kairon156 Leif Erikson, the Viking bloke who landed in America.
Leifur 'heppni' Eiríksson was the first European to sail to Vínland (now Newfoundland) he is the son of Eiríkur rauði Þorvaldsson which was the first European to sail to Greenland. But the first people to 'discover' America or Greenland were *the people that were already there*.
The way I would describe the effects of meditation is that it disables your monkey-brain the more you do it and you can seperate your mind from your body like Grey mentioned in -I think- the Egg McMuffins episode.
I meditated for around a year in the last year of school so that I was focused enough to work for around 2.5 hours on my personal projects before school started. I would describe the feeling of meditation to be like you are focusing on your breathing and muscle-tensions to quiet down your mind until it is completely silent (which is a lot harder than one would think).
After a while it really helped me to be more relaxed and keep my schedule but I could feel my creativity somewhat dropping off since you spend much less time imagining things in your head.
I am currently debating now whether I should restart meditation with Grey or let it be since I am working on increasing my drawing skills and the creativity decrease is somewhat damning in this circumstance.
The thoughts of a perhaps clever, but definitely not unusually respected Tim
The seats in the United version of their own aircraft are a hell of a lot more spaced apart than in real life
Lief Erikson, was the viking who led the party who came to America
And way more than 100 people know this. Hundreds of thousands if not millions do.
@@narsil1984 I would say 100s of millions know, but I'm biased, look at my name.
@@narsil1984 Yeah, I think Grey is too biased, that he think's whats general knowledge to him is general knowledge for the majority of people, and things he doesn't think is or should be widely know or matters, should matter. It's such a disgusting, sad and corrosive mindset to have. I think the problem is that he sees everything, EVERYTHING through such an american/USA-based perspective and think USA is the only thing that matters. Just look at what he says a bit further along about how world war 2 will never be forgotten. He doesn't say it, but I think the only reason he thinks that is because the USA was involved in it. If they weren't he probably wouldn't care at all. Has grey ever heard about Julius Ceasar? The guy is still being remembered 2000 years later, and probably will be remembered for 2000 years more.
Euro Truck Simulator is obviously CGPGrey's optimum way for Meditation
I’m listening to this on another service, but I had to come over here to say that I have been where Grey was when recording this. I’ve tried meditating, I REALLY REALLY tried. I really wanted it to work, I really did.
It didn’t work for me, at first I just couldn’t find a “guided meditation” that didn’t make me laugh (or groan). I found it so difficult to stop my mind from reflecting on what was happening (and laughing). I would either totally fail, or I’d fall asleep (I did that a lot).
Based on the description of meditation and people’s experiences of meditation, the closest thing I have experienced to an “altered state” was from doing Iyenger Yoga. I was really trying lots of different woo woo things at the time - for personal research purposes and then if a benefit occurred all the better.
I had chosen Iyenger yoga because I liked the physical aspect of it. I didn’t think that I would enjoy the more gentle styles that I had observed. I had no expectations of what yoga would do for me and if anything, I hoped that the physical aspect of Iyenger would at the very least increase my fitness level/s. I went in hard, I was doing 3 sessions a week each lasting a few hours each time. After about 3 or 4 weeks and being absolutely astounded at how physical it was and the muscle pain I experienced in my off-days - I was amazed at how doing stretching in different positions actually effected my body, how I felt like I had run a mile, done a work out etc etc all whilst remaining in a small area and without moving around toooo much. Anyway, after one session at about week 4, when I was familiar with the positions, I finished up, walked out and got on my bicycle to head home and I can honestly say I felt like I was high, like I was 6 feet tall and bulletproof, and this feeling lasted for about 2 hours. I didn’t experience it after every session, and I couldn’t predict or put my finger on why and what was different, but at least once a week, I would have this same kinda out of body experience and with the added bonus of being totally relaxed and carefree. My partner at the time could totally tell when I was like this and said that my “eyes looked different” whatever that actually means.
Anyway, after this loooooong story I wish that I had been listening to the podcast at the time of recording because I, for the little that it would have been worth, would have agreed with Grey when he said something along the lines of “ perhaps I don’t have a mind/brain suited to meditation” - No, no you don’t. I’m all for “giving it a go” (it’s the Aussie way) but again, No....just no.
To be fair to tesla, people don't understand that "auto pilot" in aircraft is actually simpler than tesla's autopilot, because all it really does is hold altitude, heading, and speed.
I would like to joke in bad taste- to be fair to Tesla, if a plane's autopilot was pointed at an object, it would also happily drive straight into it.
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Life Ericson
The son of Eric the red. You know, the guy who named and settled greenland.
btw I might spell the name wrong because I DID NOT look it up on Wikipedia.
This is totaly a thing people know.
Also they had a settlement in Vinland. It just did not sucsead.
1:01:40 Well Grey You lost that bet
leif erickson is how his name is spelled
The settlement was by Thorfinn Karlsefni
, not by Leif Erikson. Pretty sure Leif traveled and stayed in Vinland only for short periods to get timber and let sheep pasture.
For the first time, I'm listening to this at peak relevancy, as I caught up with the back catalogue before this episode came out today... And I feel good and included, but more than that, hollow, because I now must wait weeks before any more are released... XD
I thought I had won, but now the REAL game begins...
Grey, an important thing to remember about meditation is that you don't have to be sitting still or in quiet to do it. I often meditate while riding a bike or walking.
Why have I not listened to these before. An amazing podcast.
The passengers are just gonna be conditioned into expecting Spider-Man to save them in an emergency
A lot of Christians are aware of the "holiday" Christians, but Christmas and Easter are the best times to talk about Christianity because people are more receptive during those times.
Well put 👌
North Carolina's claim of "first in flight" is just silly. The plane was built in Dayton, Ohio, by two guys from Dayton, they only went to Kitty Hawk, NC for the steady wind. There was only 5 local people from NC present to witness it and the plane flipped and broke after a half dozen flights. The Wright Brothers never tested their aircraft there again, instead they finished perfecting the airplane in Dayton. The brains and materials were all Ohio's, NC's contribution was slim to none. (I may be a biased Buckeye.)
Btw John Glenn, Neil Armstrong, and Jim Lovell are also from Ohio.
That airline got that Marvel Studio's check
I feel you Brady! I am a super cricket fan from India and this worldcup final is certainly the greatest and yes, a very sad loss for NZ:(
Leif Erikson. The first man on the moo- I mean America. Apart from all the Native Americans...
I'm kind of disappointed that neither of you mentioned the first episode of Futurama, quite relevant to the "What would future people think of the Moon landing?" conversation.
i skipped the fitatron thing when it happened, but i think i might actually do the meditation thing with grey and either cross it off the list or actually get something out of it.
Grey should do his floating meditation in Trafalgar Square.
That Spiderman advertising shocks and amazes me
I think about meditation like this: looking at your thoughts and (especially) physical sensations without doing anything. I used to do it once a day for a few months, but now I only do it when I'm emotionally worked up. It helps make me calm, which is the skill that one gets from meditation.
I'm surprised to hear these guys acting so mystified about meditation. It's not a complex practice. It's ancient and simple and easy. I've been doing it for 45 years. It's like rebooting yourself in the middle of the day. Much more refreshing than a nap.
The leader of the first, viking Expedition was Erik the red, father of Leif Erickson
Erik the red just settled greenland. Leif went to Vineland.
@Sandcastle • He was banished from Iceland and settled in Greenland. Then his son went off to Canada.
I think what really makes the Vikings landing on America different from the first moon landing and the first Everest summiting, is that the rest of the world didn't know that the Vikings had landed on another continent when it happened; or at least, they didn't know the significance of it.
If you're going to meditate, might I suggest you read: The Mind Illuminated.
I consider this the definitive guide on how to and why and what meditation is. All you need is the first four chapters and you're good to go.
I dont really get Greys pessimism towards who will be remembered in 1000 years. Assuming human civilisation is still around in any form whatsoever, which is kind of a baseline assumption for that experiment, and we don't have complete nuclear war in the meantime (even though that still wouldnt destroy all knowledge if we can believe Star Treks history of the 2040s), the transmission of information over time is better now than ever. The reason we dont know much about some things in the medieval age (also compared to antiquity) is basically how information was stored and who had access to it. By the way, we do know which vikings went to the New World, Leif Ericcson for example. And many of the actors in the Second World War will be remembered the same way we remember Ceasar or Augustus, because its one of the few instances where there actually was a single person responsible (or at least portrayed that way) for an incredibly significant event. The bloodiest conflict in history so far will definitely not fade away, especially not when we dont store all of our knowledge on parchment that 5% of the population can read. We havent forgotten Plato or Archimedes, and people in 1000 years wont have forgotten Armstrong or Tesla or Ford/Benz/Daimler or 'artists' like Picasso or Goethe or even someone like Nietzsche. And thats only my the standards of current general knowledge. Future academia will probably look at Trumps tweets (and a weird explanation as to what Twitter is) just like current academia is looking at 'your mum' jokes scribbled on the walls in Pompeji. Maybe constitutional scholars in 200 years will watch Muellers testimony to evaluate their own impeachment hearings for the 125th US President.
I'm guessing ever overconfident human living in a relatively stable period of history will say this, but I do think our geopolitical order in most parts of the world is as stable as never before and its institutions are build to last longer than previous iterations. (Though one could argue that a roman senator in 100 BC would have said the same, or a roman emperor in 100 AD, or a clergyman in the 14th century, or a noblemen in the 17th century, or a monarch during absolutism, or in the post Napoleonic restoration, or an early modern politician like Bismarck, and so on and so)
Well said
Leif Erickson was the first known Norseman to set foot in North America. C'mon guys!
"Sir the boat has been hacked by pirates"
When they were talking about the first viking to set foot on the Americas: did they mean Leaf Erikson? I would argue that name is not lost to history at all. We could even remind Brady that there is a Leaf Erikson day ;) Or do they mean the arbitrary viking who actually put his foot down on the soil under the command of Leaf Erikson....discuss?
Grey, Meditation is like Leg Casts. Very helpful to the people that need it but not helpful at all to those who don't.
The sun is to the top left of the moon but I have to ask, isn't the moon parallel to the sun? It's not tilted like the Earth is so the sun should be directly left or the moon should be tilted slightly clockwise so its rotation aligns with the direction of the light.
Brady perfectly encapsulated how I feel about Apollo 50, but also pissed me off about not knowing who Leif Erikson is
Isn't it common knowledge that leaf ericson(spelling probably wrong) discovered America, I remember this being referenced in kids shows
Okay look the LEGO movie safety video was amazing
The Brady Manifesto
"Space Jesus". Can we posthumously change Neil Armstrong's name?
They should’ve put in the ad under the pretense of a sponsor...
i still feel autopilot describes it perfectly..... it just like airline autopilots... its not 100% .. but will follow a designated route with minimal inputs from the flight crew... but flight crew must be there if things go wrong.. and typically take over for takeoff and landing (although some autopilot systems can do this too)
I agree. I've always thought of autopilot as 'just keep going straight'. My mother always used it to describe zoning out and going on autopilot.
On meditation - it's great for falling asleep!
its so nice to listen to u guys
1:17:27 You two are hilarious sometimes. It would be just as valid for someone to ask how you could possibly think your thoughts _aren't_ you. Neither perspective is obviously true or obviously false; and if we had to decide which one is _less_ obvious, I think many would argue that "Your thoughts _aren't_ you" is the less obvious position; especially for people who've hitherto never thought about it before.
Hold on, the merging car on an interstate is the one to yield. Hence they are the merger. As a driver on the main roadway, your job is to maintain speed.
Secondly, Delta has a pretty good safety video and their previous one was pretty neat too. As someone who flies weekly, I still find myself watching them if I'm not already watching netflix or something on my phone.
Vinland saga talk
Lets go
Aniverseries are a way to more concretely place your current self on the timeline of human history
Regarding the indicator that a computer is doing the driving, here in Quebec, at least, a signal of some sort indicating such would be a terrible idea. It would lead, inevitably, to other drivers aggressively going after the car to cause trouble. Stupid? Yes. Dangerous? Yes. Likely? More than. Already, the behaviour of many drivers is to try and prevent lane changes and merges, as often as not. If the car is piloting, and the other drivers know it, it would be much worse.
Guys, a thousand years is not THAT long ago. We know tons of people from 1000 CE. A hundred people is also a really small group. Almost any period of history has a number of academics dedicated to its study, and for a period as recent as a thousand years ago, that number is way more than a hundred. Barring a society-ending apocalypse or a concerted effort to erase history, it's highly likely most prominent world figures will be in the historical record.
Leif Erikson, that’s all I have to say
Grey is playing meta-chicken. Does he let the autopilot play onramp-chicken faster than he can? Or does he play it himself, and accept that it was a personal failure?
I'd bet that the majority of the Scandinavians could name the 1st viking (Leif Erikson ^^). They also called it Vinland :)
I shall join you in your month of meditation. Are we just counting down 39 days or does it end on August 29
Brady, you're wrong about the Apollo guys knowing less or proving more or being braver or whatever than "viking" (kinda the wrong name, but w/e, let's roll with it) explorers.
As shortly as possible, a quick recap:
_astronauts. They can see their target. They have a team helping them at home that they can communicate with. They have an idea of how long their trip is going to be. They have planned said trip. Granted, they cant hope to find food, shelter or water where they go, nor rebuild their "ship" (/capsule), but still: the apollo missions were planned through with centuries worth of scientific discoveries backing it up in terms of looking at and calculating what such a trip would be like.
_vikings (and /insert ANY age of sailing explorer). They have no idea where they're going, they MIGHT have heard stories of land being there, somewhere in the distance. They have no idea how long their trip will be, they cant plan its duration or how many ressources they'll need. And when you have no idea of the shape of the world, a rather vague idea of the conditions of the oceans where you're headed and a huge amount of fears and supersticions about the sea in general, I think the vast ocean is much as scary, wide and unknown to these folk as the "emptiness of space" is to us now or the astronauts 50 years ago.
This is NOT meant to diminish the impact of the landing of the moon, nor the amazingness of the feat. We as a race have set foot on another planet - no other living organism we know of has done that. Still, I dislike this comparing and there's no need to diminish the feats of the past with those of the present (or near past). The only reason current humans can do what they do is because we're standing on the shoulders of humans of the past.
And just as a last thought : it's a bit unprovable, but Im fairly certain the relative safety of space travel is MUCH greater than explorer-voyage sailors. We know of TONS of them being lost and...well... the stories we know are only of those who came back. If Columbus had left and never returned, I doubt we'd even be aware of it today. And this is even more the case with people from cultures that didnt have writing.
Why do they keep saying "And we haven't been back since"? They literally went over there almost immediately with Apollo 12
Because there were 6 landings in 3 years, then none for 47. Hence "we haven't been back since" the Apollo missions.
@@arrgghh1555 There isn't really a reason to, tbh. It's an enormously expensive venture with little practical utility.
Lil Jon thinks in-flight safety videos should get less low
o my god. i saw that that safety video on my way back from Hawaii, the odds!
I find it disgusting and shameful how it's been 50 years since Apollo 11 and we haven't been back to the moon in all that time. I also find it disgusting and shameful how that united airlines safety video exists at all. Probably not related.
I feel like disgusting and ashamed are strange ways to describe a lack of objective accomplishments. I'd say more dissapointing than snything
I'm sad that nothing happened post Apollo, but it really doesn't surprise me. The conditions that led up to Apollo as we know it were so specific, the Soviets got Sputnik into space first, there was an ideological conflict going on, JFK made a pledge and was then assassinated, which essentially made Apollo an act of respect towards him, there had just been a conflict in Europe which incentivised development of rockets... The list goes on, it was quite remarkable that it all came together the way it did, but after these motives vanished so did public support.
39.14 You should have read this to your wife first, Brady. She would have spared you the embarrassment.
I have flown on German, Chinese, British, etc airlines, and saw all kinds of bullshit, but when i saw the ads forced down your throats in the US airlines, I was just shocked.
Leif Ericson 1:01:40
They are fad tourists. They have a fickle surface level interest in a particular subject. They clumsily barge in, trample all over everything, steal some stuff and leave all their McDonalds wrappers littered all over the place. Then they are gone as fast as they came. (TBH I can be one of them, but I try not to trample over everything)
*cough* Lief Erikson *cough*
*when you get home from work feeling sick and dead, but see HI dropped a new episode.*
fuuuuuuuuck.
*clicks*
I don't know squat about cricket but now I wanna hear everything about this particular game.
I was going to make it the first game I ever watched but didn't bother in the end. Really wish I had now. Though it sounds like I wouldn't have fully appreciated it anyway.
@Sandcastle • Very right.. Even after so many days, i vividly remember intricate details of those last moments. It was cricket at its finest.. A sad loss NZ afterall..
I love you guys but saying fewer than 100 people know about Leif Erikson is just sad
Cars can't be "confident" ... "confidence" is a human emotion/trait ... cars are not people.
Confidence is also a measure commonly used in fuzzy logic to quantify the "truthyness" (i.e how confident the system is) of some statement
Leif Erikson! Thank you.
current "United Airlines safety video" link: watch?v=xwiWADBZ2jg
Native Americans were the first to discover America, far before any bunch of Europeans.
I was considering making a youtube channel for some guided meditation for skeptics (anti woowoo) maybe ill do it now that i know other people want it.
Have you looked at Sam Harris meditation before? Probably as anti woo woo as you could get
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I think grey has a poor understanding of how well certain figures are remembered. First, a lot more people from the distant past are remembered that he seems to realize. People like Julius Caesar or King Leonidas are relatively famous despite being dead for more that 2,000 years. Second, historical record keeping is far better today than any other time in history and access to that information has never been easier. It would take an enormous catastrophe for that history to be lost. Finally, there will be an American founded colony on the Moon and it will be named Armstrong. Every school child on the moon will be taught about Apollo just as American kids are taught about Columbus, even though he isn't relevant to the later English colonization of America.
I think firsts in discovery are as impressive as firsts in youtube comments.
The conversation about "people not knowing" who Lief Eriksson's and Erik the Red where was kinda annoying.
Gleb is anti-hype, too
Love the podcasts! And love you two! Also 5th?
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Wooo
**sad leif erikson noises**
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Spiderman does fly, in his most recent movie Spiderman: Far From Home! /s
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was grey serious about lsd. I can't imagine he would ever take drugs.
man, brady needs to stfu about cricket. no game could possible be that good. Also, I love the fact that England won. Serves those damn new zealanders right.
Love the podcasts! And love you two! Also 5th?
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