WCU #45: All We Didn't Hear About the 2021 Omega Speedmaster Professional
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- With the launch of the 2021 Omega Speedmaster Professional, a 25-year-old icon of the watch world has been revived and updated for a new generation. However, not everything we have been told about the iconic Moonwatch seems to be true whilst some important details have been left out. In today's podcast, let's take the most in-depth look at this watchmaking classic reborn.
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Thank you for your very informative and detailed presentation. I have had the 3861 Hesalite version for 3 days now, and absolutely love it! I had to sell my previous Moonwatch - twice actually - because I could simply not get a comfortable fit, most due to the bracelet. Rather large links, no half links, and only 2 micro adjustments on the clasp. While the 3861 still has only 2 micro adjusts on the clasp, with the much narrower links it is a lot easier to get a comfortable fit. The bracelet is also lighter and far more flexible and beautifully crafted. Where the Speedy Moonwatch Professional was, at one time, most of my most comfortable watches, it is now the most comfortable of any stainless steel bracelet watch I have owned. Also due to the narrower end links, which do not protrude beyond the ends of the lugs. And I totally agree with what you say about the comparison between the 321 and this 3861, I believe this one is the better watch. Not only technically, but I love it has a hesalite crystal option, and also a solid case back option. And the luminescent hands and markers are not colored, but white. I have not tried the 321 on my wrist, but I think it would be safe to say the 3861 likely has the more comfortable bracelet. Also, the 3861 is slightly thinner than the previous, and the back of the case has a double bevel which really allows the watch to cradle the wrist a lot better. Sorry to ramble on, but I did want to give my personal owner opinion. Cheers, Carl
No doubt the 3861 is beautiful hesalite best.. that's why I got it been waiting for a speedmaster professional that I could wear (1863 too big) and this 3861 is the perfect size now.
But 321 is really a more beautiful piece inside and out albeit with a more "beautiful" price too. 😉
But really love the 3861! For the vast majority the 3861 will be more than enough to make them happy for life!🙂
Regards
Great video, thank you! Small correction though re: warranty. The outgoing 1861/3 Speedmaster did already benefit from a 5 year warranty. Omega changed their warranty policy across all watches back in 2018.
My first speedmaster and it's a Hesalite 3861 movement.
I have both the Speedmaster Professional & Reduced. Both have the Hesalite crystal and both are outstanding watches! Great video...thanks for posting!
I’ve always thought the Reduced looked absolutely ridiculous. The spacing and balance is terrible.
I recently received this from my wife as celebration of our 25th wedding anniversary. I love the history behnd the piece and the successful updates that Omega hsa applied to the design. While it won't be an EDC piece for me, mainly due to the price risk, it will be a frequent piece as it is so functional. I find this design to be more attractive than the Rolex as it seems to be a more modern look. Rolex could take some coaching from Omega on bringing their brand and product to a new generation.
Fantastic in-depth review of the new SMP. Beautiful watch which I’m sure will remain a best seller for Omega. It was definitely due a comprehensive upgrade ,shame it’s not 100 meters water resistant but other than that specifications are great. Happy new year Armand
This video is so underrated. Well done.
Thank you for spending some actual time discussing the movement. All these "watch experts" only focus on the details in the dial and bracelet. Either not caring or not knowing about the differences regarding the most important part of the update. I love the introduction of the coaxial movement in the Speedmaster, while still having some relation in design to the original 321 (and 1861/3) movement. That said, I still wish it had micro-adjustment in the clasp and a ceramic bezel. Even with the new movement it still seems somehow a little lacking compared to Omega's own products in the same price category. For me, at these prices, I care less and less about the quaintness of the 50's elements in this watch.
All in all I am quite happy with this Speedy update. I think their treatment of the Hesalite model is perfect, but I wish the sapphire model included a ceramic bezel (as seen on the Apollo 50th and 321), especially considering the increased price gap. That said, I consider it a small detail, and definitely not a deal breaker, even for the new price; a price that I don't exactly like, but can understand.
New 3861 movement with base lemania1873
New Co-axial escapement
New Hacking feature
New Master chronometer certified
New case
New bracelet
New clasp
New Bigger crown
New designed pushers
New stepped dial
New text sizing
New applied logo
New seconds markings
New 15k Gauss rating
New anti reflective
New end link fitting
New 50hr power reserve
New movement decoration and finish
New seconds hand
New moonwatch is stunning
Love the white dial version but that is some price increase to swallow.
White gold babe... one day i will have one;)
As ever, intelligent conclusions and astute observation. This could so easily have become a 46mm, orange ceramic with yellow bezel monstrosity - Omega (Swatch) being far too prone to release grotesque, sugary confections. But, they've played a straight bat and refined this classic design intelligently. The nuanced details have combined to deliver a massively improved product, that befits Omega's heritage and place as a luxury manufacturer (which was a bit moot in the '90s when the 1861 came along). I think this watch can face up to the Sub now and actually represents a more coherent, sophisticated, and attainable alternative in the versatile, daily wear/steel tool segment. For the first time with the modern iterations, I like and might buy.
And yes, get them now - they're priced low in their respective £000 brackets to enable stealthy price rises post pandemic! Although, this must be countered by grey market supply which always offers a huge discount on Omegas. I can't imagine supply will be a problem (and if there is, it's artificial) - Omega would have released this in Olympic year, so can't have been making much else in the factory for 9 months...
Really enjoyed the video, thank you for the comprehensive information. Love the upgrade but don’t love the large price increase!
Gone up to £6480 for the sandwich in March 2022, thanks, great video as always.
My only disappointment with these revised Speedmaster Pros, actually pertains to the precious metal variants. I think those much more dressy and expensive versions should of had Omega’s enamel filled ceramic bezels, rather than sticking with anodized aluminum. That just doesn’t sit right with me when purchasing any modern precious metal watch...premium all the way I say 😁
Excellent review, very thorough, this movement is the one I have been waiting to get
Still the best price for such an iconic timepiece...it's truly the most affordable piece of watch history on the market.
And classy understated and respected!🙂
Another fantastic video. Personally I love the new offerings both aesthetically and from a technical perspective. I will be purchasing the hessalite version as my next watch in the near future. The price rise was expected, but maybe not to that level and is the only niggle I have really, other than the applied logo only going on the sapphire sandwich version. All other updates are big improvements to my eye and I very much look forward to owning one soon!
Great video, very informative. Thank you.
Definitely one to consider. It’s tiring playing the Rolex game with the ADs.
The text on the back of the Hesalite has changed with the addition of “in 1965”!
I miss you, Armand! This is the best channel ever!! Did you move to another channel? Am I missing something?? Thank you for your amazing content!
Great treatment of the Speedy!
I was really looking forward to this release as it seemed all the shortcomings would be sorted. So does the new movement hack? Yes; great. So did they upgrade the clasp to have on the fly adjustment? No; not great. Did they upgrade the bezel from aluminium to ceramic? No; shame. I don't think a dot over 90 can compensate for these omissions. It will still sell by the bucket load but I guess I'll wait until they upgrade the clasp especially.
the SS model should have gotten a Ceramic bezel for sure. the other one aluminium.
@@DislikeFRIDAY Perfect idea!
I think applied markers should have been used because this iteration is the most modern take of the moon watch
And it should've been given 100m WR as some of the limited editions have in the past. Not specially to dive but to protect your investment from accidental water damage.
@@johnprosser5035 i agree , though i think the speedy looks better than the Dytona , the dytona has 100m WR. Im ok with the heritage but being the professional it should be up to date ....... i mean the modern Dytona is so different than lets say the Paul Newman . If they want to bring the fight to Rolex , they should at least try to match the specs
Yes the new update is so good that it had made the old 1991 model £ 1000 expensiveto buy now.
Thanks for sharing, May i know what about the size of lug to lug ? it is same with the old model ?
The new Speedy Pro has a L2L of 47.3mm, shorter than the previous model which was 48mm.
I got my hesalite Speedmaster new in July 2017 from an AD with a 20% discount at £2933. These new prices do seem a little steep!
I purchased a new Speedmaster Professional (Hesalite) in December 2017 for £2,617 and sold it in November 2019 for £2,800. It was my second Speedmaster, however, the lack of hacking annoyed me. The new model addresses all of the perceived problems of the older model but I'll wait until they are discounted again. If only Omega would introduce the symmetrical case of the CK2998 Limited Edition or FOIS #311.32.40.30.01.001 with the new movement as not all of us can afford the Calibre 321 #311.30.40.30.01.001 which is selling for a premium above it's £11,950 retail price.
In fact, the new pricing makes the Mark II Co-Axial Chronometer seem cheap as you can still pick those up for £3,700 if you take the time to search for them.
@@gregorypaulbox3035 👍
Completely agree . I got mine at the end of 2018 and it’s now 2000£ more after this upgrade and 3 price increases in between. It’s a big jump
@@mattt9870 yeah its wild, like the new Oris caliber 400 movement, the minute hand just keep jumping 😁
Completely agree.
I really don't know which out of the 5 (including the 38mm) to buy - horribly confused (-:
Brilliantly done
Thanks for a very interesting podcast. I think the watch is elegant, sensible, tasteful, pure class.
Absolutely! There's something about it... it's neither cheap nor expensive but it's classy , understated and respected.
It's an icon.
It's not crass or loud or in your face... simply beautiful.
They've got this one right, and I'll get one for sure. It shoulda had a column wheel though. Not that it had to be a 321 necessarily, but it should have been a column wheel. But it only dampens my eagerness slightly, this is my next one.
i think omega are really going in the right direction less LE and more modern and vintage styles side by side
it shows history and the brand moving into the future
and if we go back to the moon this one will be the one that most probably will go
I congratulate you on the effort. dedication and work on your diction.
They should have made the bezel ceramic and used applied markers as this is more of a move forward than something stuck too much in the past.......and could justify the price a bit more.
I have the older sapphire sandwich on bracelet, got a killer price, less in dollars then what you quoted for the henselite version. I'm not sorry on my purchase which was last fall, got it from an AD and it has a 5 year warranty. It did take them a week or two to locate one, then ship it to me. Didn't have to pay sales tax, from a small AD in California, I live in NJ. He offered to size it, I said just send it, basically it came in an Omega shipping box, with my pasted over the AD's. Too bad they wouldn't drop ship ir because Omega (Swatch) is located in New Jersey, where I live and we are a small geographic state. Oddly bought a Tissot strait from Tissot with a discount code which made it cheaper than most stores, nor would it pay for me in gas and tolls to go to an AD and hassle over price. to save maybe $25, it was a PRX. Also Swatch and from NJ and got it like the next day leaving the weekend out. Ordered Friday got in Monday.
I love the new speedy just waiting until I can get one with a discount.
I do like the bracelet and clasp. A nice upgrade from my 1861 version. Still , I’m happy with my “old” speedy.
Ugh, I purchased a FOIS and a Seamaster 300M in 2020. I would trade them both for this new Speedy, and perhaps, I will.
I really enjoyed your program was excellent very well poor thank you very much
I get what you are saying about price and comparative price, but no one would be cross shopping a Speedmaster and a Rolex Sub. You’d be cross shopping with another chronograph I imagine. You should be referencing the Daytona price if you want to compare to Rolex.
Why cross shop anything Omega makes with a brand that makes watches that you can't even walk into an AD and leave with on your arm?
Yep. This is the one. Top of my list now... old bracelet didn't fit me. This one hopefully will.... I love the step dial, the new movement and all the other micro updates. Let's just hope it does sell at retail with a little discount. £4800-5000 for the hesalite will be nice 👌
You'll likely have to wait at least a year or more until you find these watches at a discount from retail. Most dealers I've been in contact with are selling them as fast as they get them.
@@James2001 thank you! I'm on a long waiting list for the new Explorer...suits me more than this Speedy
Omega should have made ceramic bezel standard and would have wiped the floor with Rolex.
The white enamel on the ceramic bezel of the Ed White makes it a lot more legible than the aluminum numbers. I would have also liked to see the new model be ceramic.
I don’t get your comparison to 321. 15202 is not a patch on the 15500 technically and that debate about their technical merits NEVER happens. Why the double-standard with Omega?
Love the redesign
the caseback says "in1965" in addition to the old text
Thanks, nice video. Should've gone back to column wheel.
Ahh nothing like my 1967 speedmaster hehehe
Yep
Better than your outdated movement
Can’t wait to get the chance to try one on, hopefully it will fit on my caveman like wrist 😳
That’s weird, I was unsubscribed.
This is my grail watch, master chronometer coaxial movement and dot over nine moon watch! But do I go sapphire or hesalite? Aghhh
I bought the hesalite last week, its just amazing.
Hesalite. Just do it.
Why the hell did they not increase the water resistance ???
because they are made to go up to heaven with not down to hell.
The water resistance of 50m is entirely adequate for this tool. Way before space and NASA it was pitched at the motor racing community. It's perfectly waterproof against a heavy rain shower and accidental immersion. That's all it needs.
@@EnglishroG nice to see that at least one other person understands this. It's getting tiresome having to constantly correct ignorance about what 50m WR actually means.
and the omega symbol is smaller on the new one while the omega text is bigger
The price may be close to the Sub, however, how often does one pay actual retail for said Sub, provided it can be had in the first place? Speedmasters are much easier to come by, and sometimes even below retail.
What is the price mate ???
@@kirilmihaylov1934 13:40. The price breakdown begins.
@@valengreymoon5623 thank you. Just got there
I paid retail for my Sub not too long ago, I would never pay full retail for this one. (I do own the previous gen Speedy with 1861 movement and I got 20% off its original price). Frankly as much as I love my Speedy, the quality on the Sub is much better in every aspect.
@@greycats99 how much did you pay
Great video, very detailed as usual. I must confess that in 20+ years of watch collecting, I have never owned an Omega, despite the fact that I love and respect the Speedmaster. Something to do with being a stainless steel sports watch on metal bracelet that has a poor water resistance, which I find a bit contradictory. Having said that, this new release might well sway me into getting one. I much, much prefer the new bracelet over the outgoing one, and the movement improvements are impressive. I also read that the lugs are slightly shorter now. Can you confirm this? Between the two new versions, I would definitely go for the hesalite version, which has a more vintage feel while dispensing with the polished links.
All this talk about "poor water resistance" is simply bunk. The Speedy Pro is tested and certified to 50m, and thus is able to be worn in any water activity short of SCUBA diving. Anyone claiming otherwise exposes their ignorance of WR in modern timepieces.
@@James2001 I guess this dates back to the days when that model was 30m water resistant, and a friend of mine did have a WR issue. But that was perhaps 15 years ago. I did buy the 2021 hesalite model, which I have no problem passing under running water to clean it after sports. The METAS certification is definitely a plus in that respect. Still, this wouldn't be the first watch I think of to swim with. Not when I have a Sinn U50.
PS: Cool picture of the HK skyline on your channel. I live there too. Also, Stupid Girl from Garbage is easily my favorite song from them.
Looks good 👍. I like Omega a lot.I might buy one .
Congratulations to Omega for introducing hacking literally 100 years after it was first used in military timepieces. But the rest looks very good.
Cam operated and horizontal clutch . Apollo 13 were lucky to get 13 seconds out of it . Things have moved on !
1:55 'might just be the most important release in 2020'
Yeah... it takes a while to get used to saying 2021
The 1861 is one of the most prolific space qualified watch. This one I don’t think it has gone through tests...
Also, this new one in hesalite doesn’t get the applied logo at 12 o’clock...! stupid decision.
The 1861 is closer in DNA to the originals. New one is a Co-Axial, which is a completely different Calibre philosophy.
And the price increase doesn’t help...
I’m not tempted at all. I’ll stick with my 1861 hesalite version.
@@awesomeguy2768 not sure.. when reading engraved text on the back it s wristen in 1965 (not "since") while on the previous version, no ambiguity and no reference to the past. 😉
And "ROBERT-JAN BROER" writting this article is the marketing product manager at OMEGA (official data from Omega) or only a journalist?
@@awesomeguy2768 ah yes? How can you proove it? That omega "signed" what is written in this article? Do you remember the story about Tudor new in house mouvement? Written every where while it was not the case in fact?! Did you saw any official communication denying r
This wrong information related by all journalist? No. Because it was good good for tudor to let this rumour information circulating. You cannot imagine how companies can late wrong information circulating when it s an avdvantage (like the IWC portuguese chrono considered "in house" while it seems shared in keering group etc..) .
What I can read officially written by omega is the engraving at the back of the watch: this has been engraved by OMEGA for sure. 😉 and I find it ambigus on new model.
For me, as the owner of a 1861 Speedy Pro from 2018 I don’t see the need to upgrade- especially as mine runs within cosc spec. Plus has an upgraded Omega adjustable clasp, which is a more useful upgrade than anything this new offering has (in my not so humble opinion).
However I think it’s a logical step for Omega with an upgraded movement and tapered bracelet as well as a step up in price to keep them in the same league as Rolex. I would have preferred an adjustable clasp and easier to wind crown too though.
Wow. You sound just like “Armand the Watch Guy”! What ever happened to him?
A Great Post! Thank You! I owned A Classic 145.022-71 for 22 Years. I gave it away to an Old School-Chum & got A 3594.50.0000, the 1957 "ReEdition" with the Road-Arrow Handset. I've has this one for 6 Years now. You just CANNOT BEAT A Classical Vintage Speedmaster! The 321/861/1861 handwound movements really haven't changed in Architecture or Performance since the 1940s? To me The CoAxial is still A Johnny-Come-Lately, and only another 5 Decades will Really prove its Chops. I am 67, so have put-in a lot of Speedmaster wrist-time. This new watch, i don't like. I HATE that Dial. You may think that dividing each Second/Minute hash-mark into Quarters instead of fifths "Makes Sense", but it really spoils that "Precise" Astronaut-Look of the Dial i fell in-❤️ with as A Teenage Astronaut! It IS A Nice watch, but to me it just seems like An Omega "Let's Dry-Hump the Speedmaster AGAIN", Milking Th' Chrono Ca$h-Cow!
OK boomer
Great video, thank you. But l opted for the 1861 hesalite for a discount at the AD with a 5 year warranty. IMPO l don’t believe the changes warrant the premium price (the bracelet does look pretty good)
I like it a lot but really wish they could have gotten it to 100m or even 150m of WR....that to me is a really big deal and I probably won't buy it for that reason. The tech is out there to do this....
I like the update to the dial but not the movement. The movement was the whole point to get the SMP. Now its just another speedmaster.
Personally, I hope to get the 2020 snoopy🤞
The Snoopy has the 3861 movement so why pay more for the movement you don’t like.
@@jblackjackdon't get me wrong, its not that I don't like to 3861 movement, I just feel the 1861 kept the moon watch closer to the original. The snoopy is just a beautiful watch. I have a seamaster PO and love the accuracy of co-axial movement.
Does it not occur to anyone that a watch chosen for astronauts that at the end their mission splash down in the ocean is not recomend to wear in the shower.. Nice homage to the original Rodania Geometer...
@@stonemason4902. That's making excuses for serious shortcomings. That's like saying the slack in seiko bezels let's you correct for improper alignment. Lol
@@derekshearer9049 Your point is well made and in this case correct. Yes it should be waterproof to 100m or 200m and it should have a ceramic bezel plus is it metal filled markings. It should have the best crystal, plus space standard anti reflective coating. Are they £6,000 or so now, they're not cheap ?
@@stonemason4902 his point is not correct. The Speedy Pro is tested and certified to 50m. They can be worn in any water environment short of SCUBA diving. Why one would feel the need to shower while wearing a watch is a mystery, but one could do so with this watch if one felt the need.
Voted with my wallet and picked up a sapphire sandwich
nice
Nothing wrong with my 3570.50
Here's what I like about the new speedy:
-new movement
-brushed underside lug instead of the old, polished underlugs
-new bracelet design no longer scratches the case
-applied logo
Here's what I don't like
-Stepped dials
-three-index seconds instead of the old five-index
-bracelet link still probably doesn't want to stay on the wrist, but to rotate around it
-narrower hand, less legibility
>Increase in price in Aud is $8925 to $10,900
ouch, I'm not sure about the newer model, but speedmaster does not offer the quality at the price it asks for in RRP. The gaps between lugs are significantly larger than my Tudor GMT, which RRP for about half of it and has a much nicer bracelet with a lot most adjustability. Then again a watch that just tells time probably should never cost more than a thousand dollars
So Nice 💘💘💘💘💘💘
I suspect the purists, who take pleasure in owning this watch for its glorified history, will frown upon all these changes, especially those made to the movement.
Seems like you are reviewing something you don't even physically have
This thing wasn't hacking?! Omfg thank god I didn't buy one till now.
Yes, but yet its known as a reliable workhorse calibre that went to space and even Patek uses it in their chrono in the earlier days and yes it also does not hack in a PP.
I wish the bezel was ceramic.
Very nice 😍💋 💝💖♥️❤️
Oh and also with that co-axial escapement, it’s not a real Moonwatch anymore, just another very nice luxury chronograph instead...but there are loads of those around already by other manufacturers including Omega themselves. But then I suppose the cal. 321 Moonwatches will be for those traditionalists...if for about twice the price of these 🤷♂️
The 861/1861 models are no more "real" Moonwatches than the 3861, as the only movement to be used on the lunar surface was the 321. Everything else is semantics.
So has anyone noticed how sharp the edges of the cars are and how the strap catches the hairs on your arm ?
Both of these "problems" are totally overblown. I've never felt the edges of mine cutting into my skin, and never experienced any hair pulling (and I've got plenty of hair on my forearms).
To over hyped, to overpriced!!
I take my Fortis B-42 Cosmonaut anytime over the Speedmaster!
That's a real Tool-Watch and at around 2600€ a much better deal!!! And got triple the space time than the Speedmaster!
So,Omega: "steel other people's money you won't got mine!!"
Sad how some people can't just be happy with the things they own, and have to denigrate other things to make themselves feel good. Grow up.
This stuff is out of my price-range so take my comment with a pinch of salt. F-off with your automatics - we are talking TIMEpieces right? The bizarre thing is how manual movement manufacturers talk about accuracy. 'Three seconds per day' What can one say? 'No this is not good' or just 'F Off'? Seriously the mechanical / automatic movements have their place (like fountain pens) but please stop pretending they are products to buy.
Glad to got that off your chest. Hope you feel better.
Expensive 5 atm inutile chronometer.. ridiculous.. . ..for the same price omega 300 better........i like omega aqua terra too