Lucid Air - Six Months Later
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My Lucid Air Dream Edition is officially six months old now, and in that time, several updates have hit but have they been enough to change how I feel about the car? Let's talk about my ownership experience with the Lucid Air now that we're 6 months in!
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Lucid Air Dream Edition Performance Specs
Motor: Dual ActiveCore
Horsepower: 1,111hp
0-60: 2.5 seconds
Top Speed: 168 mph
Range: Up to 471 miles
Aerodynamic Cd: 0.21
Fast charging: 300kW (peak, software limited)
21-inch wheels
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There are few reviews of cars I have owned with which I agree as thoroughly as I do with this review. We replaced our 2015 Tesla Model S P90D with a Model S Plaid last August, and we took delivery of our Lucid Air Dream Edition in late December. The Tesla just turned 10,000 miles, and the Lucid has racked up just over 8,000 miles.
Although the Plaid''s software has not been without its glitches, it is vastly more responsive and reliable than the Lucid's. Just as Rettinger says, Lucid's OTA updates have offered some improvements in the seven months we've had the car, but they're not as frequent or as comprehensive as I would have hoped.
Yet we're putting over 1,300 miles a month on the Lucid and just under 1,000 a month on the Plaid. Why? Because the Lucid is a considerably better car for both driver and passengers in every aspect other than software. Though the tiniest tick slower off the line than the Plaid, the Air's front end stays much better planted under hard acceleration, making more of its prodigious power usable. The Air's suspension is both more compliant and more precise than the Plaid's. Road and wind noise are better suppressed in the Air, despite the Plaid's use of active noise cancellation. The Air has noticeably more structural rigidity. The Air's interior is considerably more comfortable and roomy than the Plaid's, and the fit and finish is much better. The Air front seats are more luxurious, offer much more adjustment (including thigh support extension), and have top-notch massage functions. And the rear seat space of the Air simply blows Tesla rear seating out of the water.
Although Tesla's software performs better at this stage, some of that advantage is offset by the greater ease of operating features in the Air such as audio volume, AC controls, lights, wipers, drive modes, etc. -- most of which have their own switches or haptic buttons that don't have to be accessed through menus.
Then there's that yoke. My partner has gotten used to it and finds it okay. Ten months have passed, and I still can't stand it.
When the Air first joined the Plaid in our garage, almost every EV trip was preceded by a discussion about which car to take (unless we were picking up rear-seat passengers, which always meant the Air). With each passing month, we find ourselves more often defaulting to the Air with no discussion unless there is a particular reason for taking the Tesla . . . and one of those reasons is that we're so addicted to driving the Air that we're worried about how fast we're running up its odometer.
Tesla is a software centric tech company and happened to have built a car. Lucid is a hardcore automotive company that’s building a next-gen luxury car. Experience pays off especially in the long run. People who love driving and cars will see and feel the difference easily.
@@kennys4100 So true. I've been telling friends to pay particular attention to Rettinger's remarks beginning at 3:20 in this video in which he explains why he thinks the Air is the best driving car he's ever owned or driven. I just want them to understand I'm not the only one who goes on in this vein about this car.
Over the years I've owned a Corvette, a Mercedes SL55 AMG, three Audi R8's (V8 coupe, V10 coupe, V10 spyder), two Tesla Model S's, and my fair share of German luxury/sports sedans. While some of them have bested the Air in one aspect or another, none have come close to attaining the blend of power, handling, comfort, room, and features that Lucid has brought into near-perfect balance in the Air.
We have had a Rivian R1S on order since February 2019 to replace our Honda Odyssey minivan and complete our conversion to an all-EV household. As Rivian's production delays drone ever onward -- and as we've become better acquainted with the Lucid Air -- we're now thinking about keeping the Honda until Lucid's Gravity SUV hits the market.
Maybe by then they'll have these endlessly annoying software issues in hand. 😐
@@kennys4100 Tesla has the edge over software and infact everything else for being 10 years in the market. I'm extremely confident it's just a matter of time Lucid & Rivian both get their softwares sorted out. I mean Tesla till date messes up and screws up their software and then keeps patching them. As long as there's the required hardware - the software would catch up for sure!
I'm so happy to read your comment! I can't wait for my Air Pure to arrive. I'm straightaway going to trade-in my Model 3 and go Lucid. My only concern or fear is that I'll miss the SuperCharging Network that Tesla has created.
@@FayezNajeeb1 We recently did a 2,000-mile road trip in the Air. Because of its considerable range, we had no trouble charging when necessary. However, the Electrify America network still has a long way to go to match the Tesla Supercharger network. While we never arrived at an EA station where we couldn't charge, we had to plug in more than once at every stop to find a cable that was providing juice. Some charging towers were simply dead, some gave connection errors, some required a second attempt to start charging.
Electrify America is rapidly expanding its network, but the early problems that arose from having to use multiple suppliers for equipment -- each with software incompatible with the others -- are not yet washed out of the system. Also, many EA chargers are on the far edges of huge Walmart parking lots with no nearby places for a snack or bathroom break unless you want to hike over to the Walmart. More Tesla Superchargers are located in strip malls with multiple break options closer by.
The upside of EA chargers is that you'll get to see an array of different EVs that are often hard to spot or examine in traffic. At a Tesla Supercharger all you get to ogle is an array of Teslas -- most of them white.
(I know you can charge an Air at any CCS station, such as ChargePoint, EVgo, etc., but only EA has the automatic handshake feature with the Air, has 350-kW chargers . . . and we have three years of EA charging included in the Lucid purchase. With a relatively inexpensive adapter, though, you can charge a Lucid at Level 2 Tesla destination chargers that are often found at restaurants, hotels, strip malls, etc .)
Beautiful car, Jon. You are a patient guy on these software issues.
It's been 6 months these are main features of any car. The cameras are a safety issue . And they should have been fixed from day one.
Not having autopilot seems quite inconvenient for a car of this price?
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I’ve been binge watching all types of lucid air videos, so thank you for another video lol 😆
Thanks so much for sharing all this with us-much appreciated!
Those bugs would bug the hell out me.
Ugh bummer about the software
Thank you for the honest review. I am looking at both the EQS and Lucid. The software glitches are a concern to me.
Same
Just last night I ordered a, what will be, a 2023 Model S LR. I looked at these, I really did. Just like he said though, the looks are NOT for me and I’ve seen way too many videos on software issues. Hopefully they continue to improve as competitiveness in the industry helps us all win.
software? what has software got to do with a car. please explain. i mean whats wrong with a simple radio, you are there to drive it what else is there.
It’s a beautiful product for sure
I can’t wait to see the version with the captain chairs, it was super cool on the prototype
Why does the backup camera not working not need a recall? If this happened on a Tesla we wouldn’t hear the end of it.
This is/was a Tesla issue. Software updates fixed it for the most part. Every now and then the cameras still lag on older models. Very annoying once you get used to relying on cameras instead of the old fashioned way of actually looking haha. Still love our cars nonetheless
Because "recall" is extremely broad. Something being buggy and that can be easily patched with a small OTA update is no more news than a patch to your iPhone or PC
Thank you for the video! Regarding the scratches on the metal trim, I wonder if they're from your ring? Are they only on the driver's side door or on every door?
Would like to see a 2 year review for sure tbh
A car at that price that revolves around tech with those kind of software problems is a big no from me. They’ve had a lot of time to iron these bugs out yet still not fixed.
This is not a tech car. It's a drivers car. Unfortunately it also has tech that's subpar.
People who buy the first yr of any car should expect bugs.
@@isserdigan2835 Hmm, no they shouldn't. Customers shouldn't accept being beta-testers while paying a full price. I myself own a Tesla, but we shouldn't let companies like Tesla, Lucid etc. off the hook. They need to step up. And I think Lucid should be under even more pressure to deliver, because it's 2022 not 2012. You could've forgiven the drawbacks of Tesla Model S in 2012, but Lucid is not the first and the only EV maker in town. I appreciate the looks of the Lucid Air (it's original, but not my taste), but from what I've seen the software and usability side isn't that great.
• infotainment bugs of this magnitude are a scandal honestly - car not starting for 45 seconds? Does it have an old diesel engine that's been left in the cold? :)
• Internet not working on an internet connected car is pretty hilarious :)
• that pop-up screen is a repair waiting to happen. They could've easily designed it without such fanfare for the sake of fanfare with simpler layout
• "autopilot" features and cameras not working is something you wouldn't accept in a Volkswagen
• UI - down to preference, but I don't find it particularly pleasant to look at. It's better than most car manufacturers, but it's not on Tesla's level in my opinion.
What I like is the screen real estate, the shortcuts are a good idea and yet I feel they could've used that screen real estate more wisely. For me it's just too many places to look at and interact with. it has 34" display, but it's divided into separate "windows". Maybe that's just me, but this layout and use of these screens reminds of "regular" cars with their plethora of buttons, panels etc. I would expect more simplicity and forward thinking design from a start-up EV manufacturer.
I hope they do well, because I would love to have more good EVs on the market, but right now Lucid may be a good choice for celebrities like John, who can get a direct line to the CEO :)
@@MioszMichaowski jon said the infotainment wouldnt start for 45 secs. Not the car. The car can work but without the backup camera. My BMW warm up for engine takes about that long.
@@isserdigan2835 Ok, I'll give it back a point :) But still that's an old laptop's booting time ;)
I appreciate your review!
I ordered a lucid air pure. Excited for it
That software situation for that price is what’s holding me back otherwise this vehicle hardware is amazing. We take for granted how polished the Tesla software is.
You forget that Tesla needed 12 years to get there and it's still not perfect.
@@albertornstein883 I’ll never forget the beta days of the model s and x perfect and functional have two different area codes lol 😂
@@albertornstein883 so dumb to compare to a product over a decade ago. You Have to compete with what is available on the market TODAY
@@howtorawk Tesla was lackluster back in the day compared with its contemporaries (in many areas continues to be). What is dumb is discussing with fanboys so this shall be my last comment.
@@albertornstein883 how does what I say make me a fanboy? It’s basic business principles..
Really enjoyable episode, thanks
I think the problem here with the software is that Lucid is relying too heavily on bloated third-party software development. The ground-up linux approach tailored to an EV system seems to be the way to go, which is incorporated into the Tesla.
We experienced a similar issue with a Honda Clarity; I wouldn't say it was as buggy as it was slow.
The intermittent software issues with the Lucid are a little disconcerting, especially after the length of time you've had the car, especially the rear camera issue... that's something you rely upon in these cars since conventional rear visibility is not very good at all. Intermittent bugs in software are also very difficult to track down sometimes, and that's annoying when it impacts the basic functional operation of the car.
I'm glad you're enjoying your ride, and good luck with your purchase!
GM is doing something similar with their redhat partnership. Definitely seems like more OEMs are realizing this
Bugs exist in any new system. Hard to compare when the age difference between platforms is years.
Agree that the essentials like cameras functioning should be on point always(usually the rtOS part).
I would call it growing pains, see how Tesla started in the first years - compared to Lucid today - also VW was killed by its first 2 years abysmo software, they are also quite good now.
What OS is Lucid utilizing then? I assume most car infotainment systems use some variant of *nix
@@MalamIbnMalam it appears to be Android OS
Nice video Jon!
A great honest review. I've had my GT for 5 months and you've hit all the points. Even though the software is so so, I quickly forget once I'm behind the wheel. Having owned many luxury and exotic cars this GT is by far one of the best driving cars on the road.
Thanks for showing your Lucid Air EV
It's a gorgeous car indeed
Great production.
Regarding interior scratches. I bought a top of the line BMW and I notice scratches too. But, they were on the front passenger side. I wonder where the scratches came from. It took me awhile, but I use to drive an engineering coworker of mine. He was fidgety kind of fellow and I use to note while driving hime that he'd fidget on my arm rest lots. I never thought anything of it at the time. Well, I put 2-and-2 together and realize the scratch marks were of his doing, since I didn't have anyone sit in my car. (I'm single, and it was a sports car.) There were plenty of scratches, none that could have been done in one sitting. Just putting this out there, perhaps it will jog your memory and you'll figure out what happened to your car.
just came from Kevin the tech ninjas 6 month model y review. why do I love ev reviews??
This car looks so amazing that it made me not buy the Tesla Model S and I'm waiting for Lucid to get these issues solved, if not I will probably get the Tesla Model X because it at least has a more spacious back seat room somewhat like the Lucid. I love your videos Jon!
I have a Grand Touring confirmed and am awaiting delivery. I want the car, and I believe it has the best hardware available today. However, I question if the sluggishness of the load time is due to software optimization or perhaps they had to utilize a less capable chip for the infotainment due to the chip shortage. I hope it’s the software and not an underpowered processor. I asked Lucid what chip they are using for the infotainment system and I was told it’s not customer facing information.
They are so secretive
Its software that I am also worried about. I dont know if its worth it given that it doesnt load well vs brands like Tesla.
@@howtorawk Probably something old since they don't dare to tell people. Tesla tells you publicaly, just like BMW and Mercedes to name a few.
@@Henry_Jr_Watsson exactly. And their partnership with nvidia was announced well after production and customer deliveries started
If the processor is "under powered", then it does not have the "best" hardware available today.
not that i've been looking into a lucid, but those software bugs are major red flags for me. what does the software cycle look like?
Love the car, it’s absolutely amazing 🤩
This is one the best looking cars IMO. Very clean and minimalistic. Idk if they managed to get those fancy recliner search in market.
I think it's a beautifully designed car especially from the front
I appreciate your candid comments. I'm leaning to the Porsche e-car line.
Love the mono headlight and taillight, that's always been the futurist look of cars for me
Boomer sci fi look from the 80s
@@howtorawk boomer? Foh the 80s were the pinnacle of futurism.
Scratches on the metal trim from you wedding ring (when closing the door after sitting in the seat)?
I hope that the stock climbs up, I think this car is underrated
At one point, the stock looked very promising... Now, it's hovering in the high teens to low twenties
Or $6 today (:
I doubt they will be able to get the performance significantly up with updates. Imagine adding more features like dreamdrivr pro, dashcam, sentry mode. It's going to bog the machine even more. They need to give it a better apu and make software optimization.
Hey Jon, it was kinda showing your Address at 7:02, should probably blur it. great video btw keep it up
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This was an excellent video. I’ll subscribe…again.
Thank you for an honest review. I want, I want.
I’m so glad I got a Tesla model S plaid instead,we have none of that issue and I think the lucid look like a Honda Accord
Would you still recommend this vehicle now for those that made a reservation given that the software is really bad?
Software directly interacts with the driver, it makes a huge difference to make the car to look brilliant or stupid. Lucid really needs to partner with Apple to adopt iOS 16 CarPlay
Anyone but Apple.
Software issues would be annoying enough for me to get a new phone. I can't imagine dealing with those kinds of issues when it came to my car.
Beautiful car period!😍
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Great Review!
Thank you for sharing this :)
Do you wear a ring on your left hand? Maybe that’s what’s causing the scratches
Nice car and agreed with you, they are way behind on the software side especially, on the Dream Drive feature that most of their sales people compare it to the free Tesla Auto Pilot.
Tesla Auto Pilot isnt free LOL
I am a Mercedes driver and I love this car. I think it's beautiful
Well since driving is the first function of a car, we can conclude that Lucid succeeded. But being a nerd, I couldn't live long with the software glitches. Hopefully Lucid will fix them ! thanks for sharing your experience... I have a Hyundai ioniq 5 and will never go back to ICE age .. ahaha LoL
Lol same here, I have a Model Y Performance. I believe that my next vehicle will probably be the Ioniq 6 or the Genesis/Kia equivalent of that vehicle.
I wish that Hyundai motor group would adopt the usage of Android Automotive (formerly known as Android OS for Automobiles).
The only area I find Hyundai/Kia/Genesis vehicles mildly lacking is in software.
I think plenty of people will be all over this car and lucid as a whole once apple carplay and android auto releases. incredible car and brand
Damn, you have a Lucid - that's lucky as hell
I had the honor to see one on the road, as elegant as the Citroen DS ,
i did not know the software sux this much :S
I love lucid. Startup company with great potential. Just remember Tesla has huge problems for years. This is lucid first year so maybe another year for them to work out the bugs.
Tesla opened the way made all the mistakes so others can learn . They lucid still somehow is making the same mistakes . The software is the Rivian is far better than the lucid for the price it unforgivable honestly.
If it took scientist 20yrs to discover E=mc2 is shouldn't take a student 20yrs to know E=mc2 so don't compare lucid to Tesla
@@oxide9717 actually the software in the Rivians are still pretty buggy even with less features.
Tesla still cannot build a quality car. Just a decent drive system.
You don't get a pass when fundamental safety systems and interactions with a car don't work.
How are the tires wearing? My 2 ev’s need new tires every 30 thousand miles.
How come they haven't fixed those critical software bugs yet? How come you stand all that? You are so generous.
Good question
Well Lucid delivered unfinished unfunctional cars
I've got a reservation to order on a Pure. This would potentially be my next work vehicle as I'm in executive transportation. It's next to impossible to get any fleet sedan. I'm wondering how this would work for me, especially with the software issues.
I am in a similar situation and I don't want to get a 80k car with half baked OS.
I'm in the same biz. Trying to figure it out. It's telsa, lucid, or Rivian. Hopefully all 3 at some point
@@alternatereality7713 which did u decide?
@@juelsokoo Ordered Tesla Model 3. Should be getting it in next couple months.
@@alternatereality7713 yes in this biz the greatest part is charging reliability. I drive an ModelS in Minnsnowta now and the luxury of charging swiftly without the hassle of the extra steps is very essential. If these ev can catch up to that their all in the money.
Does the Lucid ride like a Camry or like a Tesla Model S3XY?
Wait Opera is still alive??
Ikr, the last time I used Opera was on a Nokia 3300.
That metal trim wear might be from your watch when opening the door from the inside?
Has Lucid reached out to you about any of these issues after you posted this video?
Hopefully they clear software issue up asap.
Just ordered mine.. hopefully software is resolved. I feel like I'll miss autopilot on my tesla too much:(
I love this car…beautiful…..in and out..
Does the Lucid have something similar to Sentry mode (a Tesla surveillance security feature)?
Not yet
Why doesn’t the instrument cluster have a lip / shade????
Great video.
scuffed metal trim piece, the seat belt probably hits it?
Lucid's factory expansion is going well and will quadruple the size of it's AMP factory size. When this new factory segments start producing vehicles this should be a great catalyst for the stock. As Tesla has shown profitability only comes with high volumes. The demand is there for EVs - EV demand is exploding. Lucid has great tech which would appeal to companies like Aston Martin who might want to partner with Lucid for their battery & drive train tech.
What about rock chips to the windshield
The software is what's stopping me from getting one of these. I was so hopeful they'd knock it out of the park with this one and sad to see the software so lacking. That's not something I'm willing to deal with.
What about charging times???
Just got my lucid, and haven't noticed a single bug.
I am between the Rivian R1S and the Lucid Air Touring. The 2024 changes/prices is weird to figure out on the website without putting in a deposit to build your car. Not doing that until i decide on the car. Maybe at the dealership . Going next week.
It is a beautiful car. People who don't like the design are lacking something in their spirit. They need to grow and evolve in order to appreciate this awesome, beautiful vehicle.
How much did u buy it?
I have Alexa on my ecobee thermostat and it seems to 'not have an internet connection' occassionally. Really annoying.
@Jon Scuffs are from your wedding ring.
the two tone colour reminds me of 1950s cars
scratches could have been from buttons on sleeve of shirts or anything hard enough on clothing to make the mark. just a thought.
A very expensive 6 month beta test for Jon here. A much more affordable well sorted EV for the common man that’s a world car not just for the US (sorry F150 Lightning!) is what is needed to advance the cause along with a maturing secondhand market.
Ah yes...a world car...like the extremely reliable Volkswagen golf 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol F150.. Lucid is the Efficiency king.
I think you just described a Model 3 SR+
@@kunalmishra9463 no still too expensive!
Probably the Volvo EX30, Renault Scenic or Rafale will be the way forward. The ID cars are not 100% with many electrical gremlins (and like all VAG products).
Perhaps one of your kids(80% of younger with babyseat) did the scratches from the back seat as it happened exactly same to my one and my 5 year old son was the one.
Jon, defintiely a LOOKER ! but are you worried about LUCID not surviving?
got it day ago software all good no issues
I want a lucid 😢
You can have have full cellular signal for phone calls but not for data. On your phone it’s the same, maybe this is what happens with Alexa.
This is thee dream electric car
Seems like major problems not just small issues.
I expect the lack of Apple CarPlay and Android Auto are due to the lack of a browser. As shown by the recent Tesla hack from Poland, CarPlay runs in a browser.
Can you review the Tesla ?
Nice car, they need better software engineers for sure, and many more. Hope they survive, long way to go.
I’ve never liked the front end of the Teslas. The Lucid looks great inside and out.
I have similar software issues with my Audi SQ7.
Their software will get better...new company and it takes time. I'm guessing Tesla wasn't close to the level they are now...not that I need to tell you that. You're very experienced with this stuff.
Yup. Had a 2013 model S
false equivalent. Tesla was first to the game hence made all the mistakes so others can learn. Somehow lucid who's CEO worked at Tesla is making the same mistakes. If it took scientist 20yrs to discover E mc2 it shouldn't take students the same time to Know that because others have done the hardwork. Like Tesla literally had to start from the ground up lucid was already an EV racing company, not the same at all
Nice review! Electric Vehicles are the Future :) ⭐
Thank goodness there are other options.
Lucid should hire a software master to fix its problem. It doesn't look a tough issue, although wrong person never fixes it..
The software issues are laughable. Not being able to use the backup camera is atrocious. This can all be fixed but they definitely rushed the car to production
I’m surprised the software kinks aren’t ironed out yet, especially at that price point. Anyhow, you should review the BMW i4 M50
It’s not a first world problem to have non functioning rear view cameras. A 20k Corolla has one which works every time. This is terrible software QA. How does something this trivial get past testing?
To me Android Auto or Car Play is kinda useless... this was after i installed an android based headunit. All i need is the bluetooth audio connection for calls and audio aux. The rest of the apps and functionality is embedded in the headunit. Ofcourse with these EVs it could be different but I'm yet to really see it as a necessity and not a gimmick.
Btw i heard Google is discontinuing AA for phones, is this true?