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Personality Trait Tier List - Crusader Kings 3
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- Опубликовано: 17 июн 2022
- Ever wondered what the best education traits were for your kids in crusader kings 3. Well this is how you properly educate your kids to have absolutely broken heirs in your dynasty family line.
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Ambitious 0:52
Arbitrary 1:10
Arrogant 1:38
Brave 2:20
Callous 3:05
Calm 3:20
Chaste 3:39
Compassionate 4:38
Content 5:50
Cynical 6:46
Craven 7:00
Deceitful 7:42
Diligent 8:30
Fickle 9:45
Forgiving 10:15
Generous 11:00
Gluttonous 11:50
Greedy 12:50
Gregarious 14:10
Honest 15:40
Humble 16:30
Impatient 17:30
Just 18:17
Lazy 19:09
Lustful 19:50
Paranoid 20:30
Patient 21:40
Sadistic 20:16
Shy 23:00
Stubborn 23:49
Temperate 24:19
Trusting 24:47
Vengeful 25:16
Wrathful 26:10
Zealous 26:48
Shroom Boi NT 27:30
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Love both you guys' content, keep it up! Great video.
Brave in D tier are you kidding? A tier for me.
I practically NEVER die in battle. If I have the brave trait, I don't involve myself in them. Like one of you pointed out, decent commanders aren't exactly rare, especially at higher ranks. It's also virtuous to Asatru and other religions.
Humble A tier is also weird to me, it's stress machine to the one who wishes to expand.
Tuskular made the same video id like to see a discussion
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Gregarious is S tier in my opinion. That feast stress loss is so good and it pops up as a good modifier for a lot of event decisions that you would want to take anyway.
Facts ey! Maybe that one should be bumped up!
You gain stress if you fail a sway or friend scheme if gregerious, my alfred the great campaign died because the pope wont like me and stress keeps piling up and i never noticed where it came from
@@harveysaavedra6309 it on you not on Gregarious
Gregarious dont give you stress at random YOU CHOSE to sway even if you are bad at it even if close of dying it your misstake dont shift the blame
I have lost my first king ever to stress I did not know max stress kill lol but it still my fault because it was my choice
Until you need to sway the Pope
@@JacoDeltaco Having a trait that basically makes Swaying a non-option is definitely a net negative.
Brave is really good in my opinion.
The +100% death or capture thing is I think neutralized by the +3 prowess because I have never been captured or killed whilst leading my army as a brave ruler, which makes a flat +2 martial (really helps with the amount of levies you get) and a flat +10 opinion from all your vassals.
Yeah when you're bigger it's not too bad! And how often are you really losing battles? And how often are you really loving battles and not reloading the save?
@@OttawaWelshman I never reload my saves, I always play Iron Man.
@@ludwigvangaming1822 fr
Exactly. It really shows how limited Ziely and the Welshmans playstyle experience is. I always see them play stewardship and learning style characters, but if you have a strong leader and use direct command you will become a living legend in your 40s
Also 1pt in chivalry makes your death almost impossible. If you're brave you're probably going heavy martial and in the case it's extremely good. You become famous so fast. A at least. D is CRIMINAL.
Sadistic is A tier for me, S if not catholic. The stress loss from executing prisoners is huge. You never need to worry about stress
Yeeee you gotta love it!
Not to mention the huge dread.
Murder everything
And you can murder your own children witch makes it
easier to manage the succession
downside is your heir goes on a court murder spree and is extremely hated on succession
I think Impatient is really underrated because it unlocks a decision that allows you to execute a scheme immediately. If you have a 95% success chance anyways there is literally no reason for you to wait 12 months and click away all the events on every scheme so it can be quite handy on an intrigue character
Wow I didn't know that, I really never pick impatient but this changes things a bit...
Also with the new update you can rush to events to get there sooner, so you won't be late and miss events as often.
I think in pairs and patient/impatient is a really good one, both decent and mild punishments with good rewards. I think there is one hunt/travel event for impatient that might cause some harm for a courtier, had some king vassal whose caravan master was bit like 4x by mosquitoes :D rushing things for a bit of stress is ok, only bad if you rush low percent events.
Funnily enough, I took paranoid on one of my kids because I preferred the younger child and knew my character was about to die. Once my paranoid child came into power they literally died of a heart attack within a month letting me pass the kingdom on to their younger better sibling😂
I made my younger, bastard son have paranoid, the little bastard murdered his older brother(the heir) then probably killed my wife(it’s very convenient who she died while 5 months pregnant) to make sure he got the throne. I guess he was afraid of having no power I guess
played as dyre and either martial or learning for your useless son Halfdan who has no genius trait even tho you are a genius and even your useless wife might get one other genius. that guy never dies, I marry with pox girls, choose bad traits, impriso nand torture him, force him to be a knight, nothing works :D
one reason to choose paranoid: you are trying to see how far you can get with the worst traits.
Video idea 💡 🤔 hehehehe
@@OttawaWelshman and dont forged glass monument its very good when you play tall
paranoid + sadist or callous and it's not that bad, honestly the event options are usually good, if you are cautious about plots.
shy is just as bad as paranoid I think bc you gain stress when you feast, I think you gain more stress with shy than any other trait
Facts ey, but you do get plus 1 learning, but other than that, yeah I feel you!
I love shy when I’m going for an Octavian type ruler. Always learning and ruling like a competent ruler but totally socially autistic.
Shy is 5 points you can put somewhere else in the ruler designer.
@@meneldal this is about when you picking traits for your kids, if you are in the ruler designer it doesn’t matter what points things are bc you have access to all the best ones
@@benjamin5370 For kids, shy is usually grouped with impatient and gluttonous, and both of those are better than shy.
Arrogant can be really crucial if you start tribal and as a tiny chief. 1 prestige/month can really make a huge difference. It gives you men ar arms, you need it for those early conquests etc
Strong + arrogant + scarred is incredible for norse
facts. arrogant is free prestige and only ever gives stress for lowborn related events. if it's high skill it's worth, if not then why bother. you can also land lowborns to make them house members of their own house if their skills are decent.
arrogant wife is a bit harder to handle.
21:28 okay I accept your challenge
I would take paranoid in a situation where the character already has 2 bad traits and they’re next in line to the throne, and so they die faster from stress and I can just play the next character (eg their son)
Hmmm the only thing is though, you wouldn't know who the next ruler would be until AFTER you took paranoid!
@@OttawaWelshman 🤓
@@OttawaWelshman Sure you do. Don't marry them to anyone (or, if they're male, marry them to an old lady) and the next in line will be your next child.
No, because paranoid would decrease hostile scheme success chance.
@@tabletbrothers3477 no as in when I play the character they will get more stressed from everything and die faster
Brave is amazing on a martial character, if you have good prowess and lead your troops you are not likely to lose unless you make a big mistake
Hehe I do be making mistakes! You make a great point though!
@@OttawaWelshman Your mistake seems to be not putting a point into the Gallant tree
Now that you know each other's least favorite traits... I feel it's time to create rulers for each other to play as😂
Brook, are you not the same person that commented we should do a succession game together? Days you are FULL of good ideas! I love this!
@@OttawaWelshman I am! And I'm so glad you think so 😂
I think that sadistic is one of the best traits , especially early in game to easily deal with succession
My favourite for intrigue play. Love it!
killing your own children because of succession is small brain behavior.
I play vikings, so I use my leader as a commander. Brave is A tier my dude. You take the first perk from chivalry lifestyle, and negate any penalty. I never lost a brave leader in battle. Just saying, brave wrathful vengeful are all A/S tier for the direct command style, which is a really strong playstyle.
with genius you got 30% learning any tree, accolades on tactician can give up to 60 (realistically 40-50 but if you fight a lot you get it maxed) and books, well, for learning my max was 100% for martial maybe 40-60%. could clear strategist or absolver and 4-8 gallant (technically the marriage acceptance might worth early) and still do other trees. as a piety is a good trait, and it's a piety for most tribals, not just asatru, depending on location, you could swap to Táltosism for example and vengeful is not piety, wrathful isn't either but brave and honest and gregarious is so a bunch of norse have those. vengeful feels bad for the crazy amount of rival events which lead to house feuds then a loop of assasinations. especially that rivals are competitors but also enemies, I don't really want to bother with a bunch of wandering nobodies but I do get killed by their plots.
A brief case for Brave: I often make custom characters as a Tribal count and give my character huge prowess and martial to gobble up land quickly. If you take Brave and use your first perk point in Chivalry, you cancel out the death likelihood. Also you get an attraction bonus to get your dynasty going early.
Paranoid combine with Sadistic is super fun for an intrigue / torturer character. You can literally profit by torturing the people you are paranoid about. Overall you end up with a huge intrigue buff and a ton of flavor.
Exactly! That's the joy of being a Paranoid Sadist 😆 but, if you were to have Ambitious, that's an all round good stat pool, with Sadistic for the stress loss!
I lost money and sent my heir to the university, then i unintentionally got both of them. It was very bad for me
one bad one good is great with high prowess and irritable. I had a 4 diplo and 66 prowess character. I had shy or honest or something so I could take bits of stress by starting plots, then bonk someone with irritable, bonus if it's a rival and do it twice. I ended up killing or maiming rulers I didn't like. gives a lot of tyranny if you stress a lot but otherwise it's a good option to raise stress just to reduce it.
Finally I needed this I’m doing a India campaign and I need the best traits for my ruler
Honestly, after we recorded this I started paying more attention to my kids and it helps so much
@@OttawaWelshman Can you do a video where you play as Munda in 867 a nation with one county in India and is surrounded by powerful nations like really powerful you can barely get anywhere especially when your character is 57 years old and with like a five year old son and everybody else plays dirty and for your goal you can figure it out for yourself
Gregarius is A maby low S tier. Because of the stress loss from meeting peers
Yeah thats honestly so nice to have!
Forgiving has the abandon hooks decision which is minus 50 stress so a lot of the stress gain from it can be megated
Yes, but as a wise goose once said: "Peace was never an Option"
Forgiving allows you ALWAYS to keep stress level at 0. You must have prisoners, then free them for hooks and then forgive.
If you have forgiving you will never care about your stress level. Forgiving + diligent is powerful combination.
@@user-ed7ji1br7d Ck3 is easily the most exploitable Paradox game
with house head you got a lot of hooks that doesn't worth much money. also I tried the tenet which gives strong hooks on the recruit, pretty good. with fornicators I use imprisonment when they are 45 but might as well forgive them.
Forgiving is the most under rated trait in the game, imo. Yea, it has a lot of stress events attached to it, but the abandon hooks ability more than makes up for it. I find in all of my games with all of my characters I always have extra hooks laying around not good for anything else that can be thrown away to the abandon hook decision. Basically, if you have the forgiving trait, you will never have to worry about stress ever again
Surprised at the brave rating. I think the chance of death increase is pretty overblown, and it often gives great options in certain events. At least an A for me
Love it! 22:07 I mainly don't take sadistic because I run schemes on the grandkids instead of my actually kids for generations to come. Stay one step ahead after the first life.
Ahhh you be playing that long game!!!! Smarrttt
Sadistic is triple S tier, just war non-stop and kill everyone that isnt worth money for stress reduction. I would take this trait and not have the other two traits its so powerful.
Paranoid is ok to put on your childen who will not inherit, so when you marry them off they dont die. So that the alliance gets nullifyed
Interesting!
The worst traits are: lazy, craven, impatient, gluttonous and paranoid.
Which are basically how I define myself 🙂
lazy genius is ok, still 4 on all, generally you would take the stressful events tho, but it can be quite mild, on learning is not that bad. for a steward is kind of bad. but since it swaps often to the opposites on grandkids, I would take lazy just to get a diligent grandkid.
Generous is actually good for loosing stress for loosing parties. Combine it with gregarious and you can loose quite a lot of stress from the diligent descision.
Yeee that's what I been saying! @zieley is just a cheap bastard 🤣🤣😉😉
No way, generous gives you stress for revoking titles
Generous is undoubtedly either the worst or second worst trait in the game. The only thing that can compete is Paranoid.
You realize that it reduces your income from vassal taxes as well, right? And the lower income means that cash events give you less money?
Besides which, in the child event to get the trait, it competes with Diligent and Patient. Diligent, of course, being one of the best traits in the game, and Patient being one that doesn't delete your money for no reason (also, +2 learning is decent)
Zealous is a easy S tier because you can execute heretics for stress loss.
Sadistic too but with everyone which makes it even better
@@Tortellobello45 sadist is fun for you, not fun if courtiers or vassals have it. they might randomly kill people on feasts and hunts, often your best councillors. I had 2 sadists, killed 1-1 people during hunts, my ruler died and they killed 1-1 people again in 20 years time, exact copy. burning down the feast hall needs sadist trait and rivals next to you. I killed like 80 people, lot of kings and dukes. my vassals still came to my next feasts.
Just as side note I have ~900 Hours in this Game so I think I know quite a bit about ck3:
-Ambitious: A
-Arbitrary: B
-Arrogant: B
-Brave: A
-Callous: A
-Calm: C
-Chaste: D
-Compassionate: F
-Content: A
-Cynical: A
-Craven: D
-Deceitful: B
-Diligent: S
-Fickle: C
-Forgiving: F
-Generous: D
-Gluttonous: D
-Greedy: D
-Gregarious: B
-Honest: F
-Humble: A
-Impatient: B
-Just: C
-Lazy: F
-Lustful: B
-Paranoid: F
-Patient: S
-Sadistic: A
-Shy: F
-Stubborn: A
-Temperate: S
-Trusting: F
-Vengeful: B
-Wrathful: C
-Zealous: A
Ok as someone with 1000+ hours how Is compassionate worse than Paranoid
@@Brayslayer Thanks for the Hint, that was a typo
DAMNNN! Dude went out and made their own tier list for the comment! Respect! Thats some serious effort right there!
@@OttawaWelshman I even wanted to make an explaination for each trait, but I didn't want to write a whole Book.
Laziness is the most underrated trait. For minus one skill point (which is very little), we don't pay attention to stress. Moreover, since this is a negative trait, we can set it and also get points.
I find it difficult to truly rate the personality traits, because a lot of it depends of the religion/culture of your character. Personally I see Brave as an S-tier trait in most cases. Especially as I absolutely love playing Norse, where Brave is a virtue and also adds piety. Leading your troops on raids, getting viking trait and becoming filthy rich, definitely great.
it's a combo of stress reductions and other traits and education. medicine has the time between mental breakdowns and getting athletic/journaller/flagellant basically removes all stress anyway. then as you get older, stress seems to give less and less.
Wrathful should be an A tier maybe even S tier. Being able to arrest anyone who's wanted without starting a civil war is pretty nice.
WOWOW I actually did not even know that was the case! So cool!
Forgiving is quite useful in my playthrough
Because it have an option to "Abandon Hook for stress Loss"
And my character have Shy trait which mean he can barely do anything without gaining stress
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So i just go to the prisoners list and negotiate release some of them with weak hook on, then i just Abandon it for 30 stress loss each
yeah facts! That is actually OP!
The best trait by far is „generous“ (especially in endgame) in combination with creating your own religion where you are the pope in combination with communions where you will get gold presence every 3 seconds ranging from 100 to 1500 gold and the cultural tradition where gold presences are more common and if you do them you get +20% opinion bonus.
Combine that with a good diplomatic education and the skill where you get more opinion bonus on presences.
Now you have nearly infinite money and you can get every character to +100 opinion no matter how he hates you in addition you get stress relief every time you make a money present through generous which basically means stress is no longer relevant and you also get the money back immediately.
Combine that with „diligent“ and the development option which comes with it and you are very OP.
(stress is really no problem at all now, money too and you can make everybody love you through money)
It’s the most effective way in endgame to create a very stable kingdome and very stable character
I'd like to see CK3 personality traits ranked 1, 2, and 3 for all 12 of the in game trait events which always gives you choice between. 1) Craven, Lazy, Arbitrary 2) Arrogant, Compassionate, Callous 3) Deceitful, Honest, Humble 4) Generous, Diligent, Patient 5) Wrathful, Forgiving, Fickle 6) Vengeful, Chaste, Stubborn 7) Just, Cynical, Temperate 8) Greedy, Gregarious, Lustful 9) Brave, Calm, Zealous 10) Ambitious, Sadistic, Paranoid 11) Content, Fickle, Trusting 12) Impatient, Shy, Gluttonous.
If I recall it's actually 8) greedy, gregarious, lustful
since the pairs often swap for grandsons, if you don't educate them directly, good traits are the ones with good opposites and mild debuffs on the negative ones
my personal choice would be
1 lazy (to get diligent), arbitrary ok
2 arrogant or callous
3 humble except if intrigue, honest in taltosism or sami
4 diligent best trait both steward and martial but all good
5 fickle for diplo or intrigue but forgiving for stewards except norse wrathful
6 stubborn
7 temperate
8 greedy cause great pair with generous just different perspective (vassals don't build with greedy) gregarious good for feasts and now the leisure palace with small bonuses better for capital than tax office, especially with grand marriages
9 zealous, except for tribal martial then brave
10 ambitious except for nepfews, sadistic ok for you or your heir but he can't be landed and you need to rush inheritance
11 content and trusting for vassals and non heir kids, fickle just for intrigue or diplo
12 impatient best but shy ok for artificers
overwrite any if it's a piety for your faith
rulers that can both gain and lose stress with activities are pretty good(also a 'bad' trait which is ok, but the opposite is good, is great for the above reason getting it a different setup on grandson), learning education can handle bad traits, as the stress reductions are better. check wiki for hidden traits on the traits, basically sliders, they all come with 2-4 extra stats, would go for rationality and greed. I play steward, bossy is better than pensive, basically the more tyrannical style. you can influence that by having more stewardship and martial, and your wife too. I focus on genius trait, that increases stats a lot and education in any tree. so I wouldn't care about stats from the traits too much, also it won't count for education stars, also the focus either, won't take opposite but neutral is fine to force a path at first if you know what you going for. 12 learning is minimum for the mystic event line but requires a specific trait setup, not sure what. good trait combos can trigger events in specific learning combinations, like steward/domain/duty focus with diligent and either stubborn or temperate or some buffs and I had every year a road/aquaduct/cattle/improvement event line and finished stewardship 3 trees by age 42, without book artifacts. on learning you can have similar if you befriend your priest, steal his book and ask his help for reading, get 1-1-1 learning, swap your priest and repeat. if you start on learning and trigger stress, you can get the better reductions. 12 perks and swap to other tree then go back later when you get older, you can get around 10 years to live with iron constitution and another perk and finally the whole body. with books you clear learning way too fast so then you can't use the last points.
Lustful isn't that bad to play with if you don't have a confederate partition as your succession type. The easiest way to farm renown and gold is by having lots of kids, marrying them off to neighbouring rulers, and then getting the stewardship perk of getting paid for hooks.
You're going to like the next video I think!
My two favourite creators, also brave is great if you are building a martial character because if you have decent prowess and martial I find you never get captured.
Ahhh see I never thought about it like that! Also thanks for such a nice comment, I will pass the info to Zieley!
paranoid just has so many things going against it, like often when it pops up during education you get to choose between it, ambitious and sadistic, further disincentivizing picking it
Arrogant is very good for Tribal
that +1 Prestige help you keep stay out of the negative
and helps in managing Men at Arms cost
also Just gives a lot of stress for executions so no free piety :P
ahhh Just would be quite brutal if you were playing as Norse
@@OttawaWelshman no difference to slovaskian pravda or Táltosism or other tribal faiths. you can swap and keep the good parts. technically asatru is the only tribal that also gets a holy order with jomsvikings but otherwise based on the location you can swap to other tribal faith to raid.
Stubborn has a hidden weakness..
I like to bribe my vassals when they join factions. My stubborn character gains a TON of stress when i gift people money.
Makes managing vassals very difficult.
Edit: Everyone is correct that it is Greedy I am thinking of
It’s greedy that gives you stress from gifting not stubborn.
yeah, im like 98% sure it is the greedy trait that does that, but I could be wrong.
Stubborn doesn't do that, you're confusing it with Greedy - though since they're both green it's an easy mistake to make
Sadistic is easilly S or high A tier. The fact that you can kill off kids is amazing. Especially if you somehow fucked up (we all have at some point) and have heirs that are outside of your dynasty. It can be the only saviour in an ironman game. Do not underestimate the power of the dark side xD Having one sinful trait is not gonna kill you, even if you work alot with piety. You make it sound way worse than it is ^^
Also trusting IMO deserves to be lowest of D tiers, maybe even F tier. It has like zero benefits other than 2 diplomacy, the rest is absolute trash with it. It's an NPC trait, you love having vassals with this trait, but having it on yourself or kids? Hell no. It's really bad.
Your guys’ humour is class and you bounce off each other very well
From my experience there are only 12 childhood trait events and seeing as there are 35 personality traits this means that only one of the traits appears in two of those (it's if I remember correctly fickle). This means that in this video the traits are judged upon in a vacuum. Which is not really that much of a problem, but it also means that some traits probably could swap places
Yes, it's Fickle. Fickle/Content/Trusting and Fickle/Wrathful/Forgiving.
they come sometimes with different traits for the same event
there are 17 pairs and 2 of those are 3x, with eccentric being the new one. gives -200 rationality but people seem to love it for the skills. there are like 8? sliders and hidden traits for each of them. also the fact that a trait often swaps to it's opposite for your grandkids, makes ok pairs better than cherry picking one trait then having a horrible opposite. had to search for the 12 you said but I'm certain that there are others that give traits. there were differences in traits between faiths, I saw zealous in different ones. gotta compare to wiki for sliders, see which event adds what, might be a pattern.
when I got a wife/prisoner that has a piety trait, I don't ask them to convert. for example wise man on max level for Táltosism (born as mystic) was instant winner for the election, even being my smaller kid, he inherited a kingdom while I was ruling, lost it, gained it back, became my heir and no one ever tried to kill him. it's a low cost tenet with a high roll random trait, but it's better than the varangian adventurer prestige and skills. they judged traits based on asatru and catholic. asatru gets weaker if the scandinavians convert, jomsviking fails and cultures split. catholic is a lazy choice that is not great and too big to control it, reforming it is a bit unrealistic. especially considering how good insular is for uk, or krstjani for balkans or other holy sites, and tribals with catholic syncretism get the marriages without giving up the other bonuses.
Why is no one talking about Callous? Its so underrated but is easily A-S tier. Stress loss is HUGE, never had a mental breakdown while having Callous.
Underrated part of wrathful is the punish criminals decision. Since you usually are high martial/prowess it’s an easy way to capture vassals to either cull factions or revoke a title without civil war by winning the duel. Paranoid is a good way to kill a bad first heir if nothing else from stress
Arrogant is probably lower because it leads to stress alot
Fun point about Paranoid; you can't hire knights, but you can recruit them from prison. I think this is an oversight and it SHOULD give stress, even more than the normal hiring. But it doesn't. Just Paradox things.
EDIT: Stubborn should have a stress gain mallus in some occasions. Like when you're forced to "concede" or admit you're wrong. No events come to mind to represent it, but I'm sure you understand what I mean.
Surrendering a war?
Sadistic is S tier for the Norse. Stress loss for executing prisoners. Combined with piety gain with their religion and you have a way to keep stress low and piety high by constantly raiding, capturing then executing.
I love how if you are ambitious and diligent, you're almost as good as a natural born genius...kinda like in real life.
I actually played a character who was paranoid for RP, but she was also sadistic and I had no issues with stress because I always kept a stable of captives for torturing. She was also a lunatic which really made some funny events in that playthrough. Good times.
Brave 100% capture or death is completely negated by high prowess, it is extremely easy to get prowess in this game especially after tours and tournaments. As some events increase your prowess by +1 or 2 permanently. If you have over 20 prowess your chances of dying is practically non existent. It's bare minimum of A tier trait, as it has absolutely no downsides, and extra popular and attractiveness opinion is a cherry on the cake! Its also pious with the Asatru Faith which is easily the best faith in the game! Not only will it let you raid as a kingdom it will also give your knights the Berserker trait every time they kill on the battlefield, given that they are also of a North Germanic descent.
I would put Honest higher because it gives stress loss on exposing secrets like Just. As you said discovering secrets is super easy so it's free stress loss.
And Wrathful I would lower it because you may end up murdering someone during feasts (maybe hunt as well?), including your best heir or some other important character - than can really mess up your plans and this is not a choice, you only get a choice after the murder to kill some witness as well but it already happened.
once 6 rulers of mine got murdered, then I had a save before a hunt, the lover of my mother (empress, same house both genius why not) tried killing me, after reload he was the witness of a guest and I killed em both.
honest is ok, not that bad of a stress, but wouldn't take with just, one of those are fine but together is crazy stres on plots.
I lost a game with arpad almos, because I landed my son, had a kid with a concubine, I started a plot to kill her but a pox killed my son and then their kid and she was next in line for the empire, game over because couldn't kill her without killing myself from stress and literally had to delay the plot when she got pregnant which was all the more reason to kill her earier. piety traits btw (honest) for Táltosism which is really good holy sites for east europe.
Brave but go down the gallant tree is a pretty amazing combo without a doubt A tier. The Attraction opinion is also pretty nice.
OOOOuuuuu you know i dint think of combining those two!
Something I consider when picking traits for my heir is how the AI is going to control them. I would rank Compassionate higher since that character will make friends and stay out of trouble making succession a smoother process.
With forgiving, you can just release lowborn prisoners for a hook, then forgive the hook for stress loss, which makes it the best stress loss trait in the game if you're playing in a way that gets you tons of prisoners.
tbh I actually don't mind impatient cuz expedite schemes is funny asf
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True ey!I have only don't that once but it did go Hella quick
Brave is one of the best traits. The positives far outweigh the negative. As well as the martial and prowess boost you get a +5 opinion modifier and it's a virtue in most of the European pagan religions.
+100% death or capture chance means nothing when you are NOT commanding your troops, and if combined with certain things that allow you to duel people (criminals or rivals) to death it gets really OP.
What makes lustful bad is when your heir has it while waiting for you to die, longer you give them time as npc the more likely they’ll get the adulterer trait. If you quickly go through succession it’s pretty good.
Generous can work very well with diligent. If you have more than enough money than you’ll ever need, you can develop your capital and then gift gold to reduce stress with generous. Plus you don’t even have to gift a lot of gold. You can gift to your courtiers or random family members and you only give them a little bit of gold, and still get the same amount of stress loss from generous.
Shy is absolute trash tier. You can't negotiate alliances without massive stress gain. Any personal interaction is a nightmare.
The golden combo for me is generally Diligent, Temperate and Ambitious. If I get a kid with those I'm absolutely cheering.
The builds I go for depending on what my child wants to do.
Stewardship: diligent, temperate, stubborn
Intrigue: arbitrary, cynical, deceitful or fickle or sadistic
Learning: content, diligent, just (I like to pair stewardship with learning)
Martial: ambitious, wrathful/vengeful, sadistic
Diplomacy; gregarious, honest, just
I’m sure i missed some but all subject one what u trying to accomplish but just what I prefer with my heir builds.
I had a 24 prowess daughter turn down an offer to be a shieldmaiden. From then i never considered humble to be any higher than B tier.
craven is a really good trait for your vassals because of the boldness penalty they'll basically never join factions against you
A reason to get paranoid: When you want to start with "strengthen bloodline" decision, but also want to stress up to level 3 to get "lunatic" for the glass monument in a single life.
Brave D, really?
Brave should be at LEAST B, if not A or maybe even S tier
I love Brave.
Good Martial for troops. Prowess for duel and power move. Free opinion bonus from vassal. And it makes the hunting decision so good! I’ll take that -50 sometimes -70 stress for 50 gold every month! I see no downside having this trait at all!
big one for me is brave, i would at least rate that c, but would probably put it B personally, if your character is not leading the 100% doesnt matter and it only really matters if your losing, that or using it strictly for that 100% increased chance to kill off unwanted children since u can easily control the armys and encourage them to lose.
Sadistic is an S for me as well as A for vengfull for viking or any group that can raid. Being able to clear stress anytime by exicuting afew prisoners is amazing and you should always have a stock of prisoners if your raiding.
Obviously a lot of those placements can change depending on if your religion has this trait as a virtue/sin, or if your culture has maluses to them etc. the really fun thing is that your placements can heavily vary on your playstyle which is pretty great, for example hostile schemes are pretty much my last resort, so traits like Honest and Forgiving are much more valuable to me than any of the intrigue ones. overall I would mostly agree with the tier list except for Brave, its an overall really good trait, I almost never lead my armies except for start of game where I can restart if I perish, or I actively want to die, but it still is a very well liked trait with a lot of positives so I would say its B for me
Interesting! You must have a kind soul, because given the chance I will be hostile AF against digital people.
Shy = FF. I hate Shy with a passion, the only time it comes in handy is if you want stress gain because pretty much anything you do that involves talking to a person increases stress. I use the sway scheme a lot, and without that, it really hurts my game.
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Forgiving is one of the best for stress release, if you have a strong hook and abandon it you bet about 120 stress release. And you can get easely a strong hook using the lovers secret and blackmailing the woman. And astrong hook can be used from time to time, so you only need some strong hooks and dont need to always get new ones.
I take paranoid because I'm worried about what the voices would do if I don't
they are in pairs and have hidden stats, you can check wiki
a good skill is something that has a good opposite, since your grandkids are more likely to inherit. your own skills pass down to your kids and it's less and less likely to repeat, unless you force it by taking stress, the ai won't do that, so you often end up with an opposite skill. these hidden traits are like greed, zeal, energy, sociability, boldness, rationality, honor, vengefulness, compassion so it controls the struggles and inner conflicts, also some characters are middle or close to middle. Jarl Dyre for example has the cynical trait often pop up as an option in stress events, and you swap out gregarious for it.
The traits come from education path, I suppose religion then parents. often gives traits related to sins and pieties, that's why I think, the 2-3 choices are not only pairs but sometimes it's a pair, gotta check next time for hidden stats. for example gives zealous, sadist or paranoid in one hunt event.
The marriage options change based on prestige levels and house renown, religion is biggest, but it is what it is, hard to overcome and if you do you won't get value for the same part. 15 per trait is generally not bad, characters rarely share 3 trait, even 2 is rare. it's common for siblings tho, and friends share 2-3 and rivals share 1 sometimes.
That said, dilligent is good for both steward (develop capital) and martial (warhorse) and few other events. but lazy is not that big of a deal either, you can skip stuff for stress reduction or gain stress by forcing yourself.
Temperate good for the events that make your overeat or overdrink, I think it comes handy as an excuse. That's the other part , traits allow special choices in events and usually are good outcomes.
Ambitious is the opposite of content, which isn't good for you, unless you expanded a lot. also if you play a lot, you gonna see that one greedy ambitious nephew you trained and takes your throne when you get infirm.
chaste is only good for catholic, and lustful in a custom faith would be always better. but it is annoying when you want specific heirs and don't have elections. that event comes as a 2 way choice but if not, I would not take either, rather would not be on that focus, same thing with brave and craven.
sadist is a triple with callous and compassionate. it's super fun and easy to play as sadist but having others on it, it's a disaster during hunts and feasts.
calm/wrathful okayish, again, asatru piety.
best is greedy/generous
diligent/lazy
shy/gregarious ok, pops up often enough for feasts, also shy makes good artificers +5 point, scheme resistance and travel safety also good, and stress can be manageable if it's the only skill.
humble/arrogant is great pair. arrogant is actually a good amount of prestige and only matters with lowborn decisions and you can make lowborns house members by landing them in secondary castles.
patient/impatient also decent pair.
zealous/cynical decent. playing as steward I end up like evil thinker or something smart but a dick, so generally I'm on the cynical side, for roleplay is fine.
people like the new eccentric but it's -200 rationality. also pairs with stubborn which is also only ok for stats but not hidden stats, fickle is ok for a few reasons but as a steward not :D
trusting/paranoid pair is the worst that's true. you jump out of a window instead of taking your birthday gift. but also has scheme resistance options so if you manage your stress, it's not that bad of a trait for the event options. but the trusting gets you killed as a higher rank. honest+just is also a bad combo, while deceitful and arbitrary are ok on intrigue path.
all in all, I really liked characters that are able to gain stress and lose stress at the same time with their traits. also some people mentioned that it's quite good to use a stress level 2 for like torturer path or avaricious. you can absolutely have characters that die from stress, or you need to do crazy stuff if you ever stress, like send away all the courtiers or burn down the land. but it also not complete without stress reductions, which are always better on learning path, like flagellant, journaller or athletic. even tho I focus on learning than phisicality, athletic is better because it can spread trought the event and it pops up in stress choices too, so yo ucan ignore bad choices afterwards. flagellant is good to train physicians, you might need a few books to buff your health.
irritable is also a fun reduction which is best if you can gain stress, like shy for example, you start and stop an action, then use irritable to bonk someone, if chained up on rivals, they might get a serious injury from 2 duels.
stress reductions can also 'inherit' so order might matter. I had a bunch of fat kings with hungary, having too many direct vassals, too many feasts, everyone died of gout or overeating or drinking issues. choosing a wife with visibly smaller body made my next king smaller and have no overeating issues. so height and weight and other things might inherit too.
so I would rather choose and force a good pair than highroll for something like brave or temperate or ambitious. but if you want some fun, try focusing on the hidden traits, open wiki and check what they give and always choose one set like max rationality or zeal or something, might change events a lot or balance it out for a medium one and get events that way.
For myself:
S Tier- Diligent, Temperate, Stubborn. Best traits for a Stewardship character.
A Tier- Greedy, Gregarious, Content, Humble, Patient. Greedy is good imo because of the crazy amount of money you can get while at lvl 1 stress and the Avaricious skill tree combined. Content, Humble, and Patient are good traits to give Children you plan to turn into monks or to have for vassals so they don't mess with you.
B Tier- Sadistic, Just, Chaste, Calm, Wrathful. Just is just annoying sometimes since it makes you gain stress for demanding payments from hooks or doing almost ANY hostile scheme.
C Tier- Fickle, Arbitrary, Arrogant, Callous, Deceitful, Forgiving, Vengeful, Trusting, Lustful. Usually traits I really don't care to ever give my children.
D Tier- Honest, Compassionate, Brave, Impatient, Cynical. More traits I'd just rather not have.
F Tier- Generous, Lazy, Gluttonous, Craven, Shy. Traits I'D NEVER WANT. Generous is here purely because it makes me gain less money.
FFFF Tier- Paranoid. If I ever see this as an option for my child Idc if I am gaining Lvl 3 stress. I am not having a paranoid heir.
I know no one asked but hey I felt like doing one of these myself since I have like 600+hrs in the game.
The idea of a Chad commander that runs away had me dead
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Sometimes being able to gain stress on demand is good. There are several mechanics in game that give bonuses per stress level. Getting Athletic or Journaller from a mental break is always nice. As long as you have a bit of disease resistance you can camp out at level 2 stress relatively safely.
To me that makes Honest and Just very good traits. You can blackmail and get money if you want some stress. You can reveal secrets to reduce stress. I think there's an argument for Just being as high as S tier and Honest being as high as A.
Shy honestly deserves Z tier. I would rather kill my heir than play as a Shy character
content has a beautiful +20 same opinion bonus which is pretty useful for keeping your realm peaceful even if you don't have a good diplomat ruler. also gregarious is A for me because it has no downsides.
Awesome tier list. Would love to see one for traits we want/wouldn’t want on vassals. Such as ambitious or vengeful being something you wouldn’t want
Damn that's a great idea!!!
Paranoid actually saved my game once. My character didn’t have an heir and everyone in my empire hated me and since he was paranoid he was able to find and stop a bunch of murder schemes with high success chances until he had a child. It could’ve been our luck but I wouldn’t know.
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Abdul! Youre the man! hope the Tier list helps you :D
@@OttawaWelshman its helpful to see someone else’s opinion because it can make your opinion better
Callous is an exellent trait, because with that you don't get stress from "morallu questionable" acts, and it doesn't have the negative opinion and piety effects of sadistic.
I think Craven and Paranoid have a hidden effect that makes you immune to random death events.
a lot of these are skill specific, religion Specific, or Situational.
Say you want to make a Intrigue Focused Character, Paranoid, Deceitful, and Vengeful/Sadistic are your go to 3.
A Warrior? Brave, Wrathful, Diligent (as a Norse), Etc etc.
GOLD GOLD GOLD? Stubborn/ Temperate/ Greedy (if you play with the Stress)
I pretty much agree with the list with one exception, the Brave trait, I would definitely rank that higher
Zealous, Wrathful, Brave Martial Asatru. Literally the Bane of Europe.
Yeah I agree with the other comments about Paranoid - it's for 'live fast, do lots of intrigue, die young' builds, on the occasions you want those.
You can cancel out the Brave penalty almost immediately. I love pairing it with Wrathful, especially for Asatru characters.
Really enjoyed this. I like giving Chaste for my kids because I find that after they're grown and they're on their own while I'm still ruling, I find that it keeps them out of trouble until I can take control of them. By the same token, that's why I try to avoid Lustful.
me who picks brave literaly every single time
though well a lot of times I wanna roleplay as unironically good rulers so sometimes I do it for that
I like paranoid cause it helps with intrigue. But only take it if you have the gold for lots of feasts, hunts, grand rites, etc. Or possibly another trait that comes with decisions to manage stress. Generous makes it really easy, if you have a lot of gold. Lose stress from sending gifts,
Forgiving is B or A when virtue, if paired with abandon hook of prisioners.
For easy stress management
Brave saved me more than one time from instant kill events and i NEVER died or get caught in a battle. The only downside is that you get stress for not fighting against wild animals or in other fighting events.
chance to be killed or captured in battle only matters if you lose. If you don't lose your battles, and don't take pitched battles, you'll never be killed or captured anyway.
I'd like to see an episode with all F & Brain Damage traits then one with all S traits.
I wager that the F & Brain Damage episode is a higher level of success for your empire.
Greedy is one of my least favorite traits, I often use gifts to manipulate vassals and secure loyalties and it constantly gets in my way. I would place it in F tier! Also this list feels a little specific to playstyle, to someone who prefers diplomacy and martial over intrigue and stewardship a lot of these would be switched.
Greedy sucks if you are conquering new territories and giving the newly conquered titles to vassals.
Brave in D is crazy though. Martial ruler in Tribal with chivalry and sull strategist tree makes you pretty much unstoppable. You basically become a living legend at like 45yo. Also you get the ego of the gigachad character so...