Fired Google engineer defends diversity memo
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- Опубликовано: 20 июл 2024
- James Damore, a Google engineer who was fired after writing a controversial memo on diversity in tech, defends his words about women in the industry in an interview with CNN's Laurie Segall.
They tried to make this guy look horrible but he simply stuck to his truth.
Which insulted no one .
The reporter can't understand him, what's wrong with her?
She's as dumb as the look on her face
Idk she probably didn't read the memo or any of the scientific studies that support his claims.
Her job is not to understand or debate, she is just a talking head for the network ... if they can replace her with robot, they would
It's cuz he's not +6ft
She's an idiot.
Okay I'll come out and say it straight.
There are biological differences between males and females that statistically make them take different interests and make them more or less capable in some areas. I'll go ahead and emphasize that I said "statistically". This means that these differences between genders is not a blanket statement.
How hard is this to understand?!
Darrell Lim
Are you telling me that's why there is basically no women in construction? Or are they just discriminating all those women trying to get that job?
CrabPeople I've never seen a girl at any of my schools say she wanted to be a construction worker as her dream job, I'm not saying that's the same for every girl/woman, but they have a preference for less risky jobs
Bravo but you haven't made a ground breaking discovery, this is common sense, which the left and today's generation lacks.
nobody gives a fuck. when you sign an at-will agreement, your employer can fire you at any time for any reason. suck it up and quit being a whiny little bitch.
"whiny little bitch," wow says the one crusading through every single thread in the comment section. So much to having a dialogue when your demagoguery makes you cling on to your pre conceptions. Go clean your room.
I read his memo, I read psychology , everything he states is grounded in psychological study and is factual , is it so difficult to see that there a psychological differences between men and women ? ...the people at Google must be crazy to fire this poor guy.
I took AP psych in high school. There is a psychological difference in men and women. You can read up on it on the APA, but I highly doubt you even know what the APA is. Also, you're subscribed to Alex Jones. In the same way that the "doctor" from "MIT" on Alex Jones shows, you're trying to equivocate yourself as a "person who studied psychology" to an actual certified psychologist.
nothing new. people get fired all the time for stupid reasons. not sure why this would tug at your heartstrings.
Yes, but he has a case that he was wrongfully terminated
can you link the memo? can't find it anywhere. tried to google it lol. i guess that's my mistake
Alphie Alpha
Jordan Peterson I believe posted a lot from links to support the findings I believe. Try checking him out
He seems perfectly reasonable and well-reasoned.
He is. Autistic people are often more inclined toward logic than ideology.
Unlike the reporter
Clearly Laurie didn't read his memo. You would have thought she would have taken the time to do so. And if she did, it is clear she was more interested in pushing an agenda than actual discussing the contents of his writing.
"she was more interested in pushing an agenda than actual discussing the contents of his writing."
Ding, ding, ding..... We have a winner. :)
+Brian Jones I know - a blinding glimpse of the obvious...
Good God...
She told this Douche that Men weren't more involved in Computer Engineering then Women since 1994...the fact that he made that bullshit Memo and didnt even bother to check Computer Engineering History is why you and him are both Morons
Damn CNN, how hard are you going to try to twist his words. The dude believes that diversity should be within bran patters and people's habits. Not skin color or sexual orientation
sherrie Moon
Good God...
That's not what his Memo stated...his Memo clearly said that Women arent capable of successfully achieving much in Computer Engineering because of certain flaws and disguised it by labelling it about Diversity... The fact that this Reporter burned Him with the Facts of Computer Engineering History is priceless!!
FUUUUUUACK! CNN and that FUCKing reporter BITCH!!!!
@@MrLTLB LoL she didn't "burn" anyone, Google and RUclips CEO said the exact same things in a conferrence because those things are objective and scientific, she just showed how allergic to facts she is.
@@hammadhussain3082
LMAO!
You have no idea how WRONG you are. Both Objectively and Scientifically! Women are more then Capable to succeed in that Field.
@@MrLTLB Yes! Yes women are capable of succeeding in these fields, and that's what the memo was meant to convey. It also meant to convey that women can't succeed the same way as men do cos both of them are DIFFERENT. Equal but different. This is one reason why they're so good in school in the same subjects but don't choose those in college, or don't do as well in the workplace as fellow men.
"Do you believe those women were outliers?"
Cathy Newman American version.
The simple/honest answer would've been "yes". They are outliers by definition, statistically speaking. Of course, then he'd get called out as a misogynist...
@@Tomn8er Which he is anyway...
@@ingaheligakor8560 curious where you learned that from? Or are you talking from experience
This
This video perfectly encapsulates what CNN has become. She spent more time researching "women that do good on computer!" than actually reading what he wrote. It was in no way a thrashing of women in tech, but that's where CNN went. No surprise.
HOW MANY TIMES DOES HE HAVE TO SAY WOMEN ARE COMPLETELY COMPETENT TO PROGRAM....TERRIBLE TERRIBLE TERRIBLE INTERVIEWING SKILLS..HOLY SHIT, HE HAS THE PATIENCE OF A SAINT.
He's explaining his point properly and she kept trying to get him to say he's a sexist and push their narrative. "Woman are great how dare you say they're not." "I'm not saying that nor implying it." "Woman did programming more than men did in the past." "That was a different kind of programming." "Are you saying woman programmers in the past are dumb and incompetent and the ones I listed are just outliers." "WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU, are you just not hearing ANYTHING I'm saying??????"
Earl Vaughn EXACTLY! I love how she just riddles down a list of individual women that have achieved things as if that's supposed to make or break his point. Then they had the nerve to edit pictures of the women into the view like that was going to making it any better?! LOL 🤦🏽♂️
probably as many times as Trump has to denounce the KKK
The US has become a Lewis Carroll novel where facts and intelligence are no longer dependent on wether the information or analysis' are sound, but what color or sex the person saying it is.
The way this reporter has prepared a list of names for the sole purpose of attacking him is awful. Her response is not based on what he says (women are competent programmers just different. And he did not imply once that being different is bad.) but rather what she WANTS him to say (women are less than men). Terrible reporting, CNN.
it's almost like she was putting the same ideology that got him fired..........
Aside from the list most women were engaged computer centric jobs were engaged in "data entry".
Man she really had her mind set on arguing with him. I can see the kid sitting there screaming, "I'm not your enemy here!" in his head. It's frustrating to see everything boil down to an Us vs. Them situation so quickly. The instant reaction is that you're either an clear, staunch ally or an enemy. He claims to want to see more women in the industry and in a way that makes them happy and productive. Let's give the kid the benefit of the doubt and discuss his memo point by point. But no, we've gotta virtue signal....
I think its hilarious how she is just reading those names because she has never heard of them before.
CNN can't even edit properly
They should show the entire interview instead of editing it. It gives the impression of intentionally distorting his meaning.
He made a grave mistake. He said things that are true. Notice how none of his arguments were dismantled his crime was that he said it. Had he lied and made his arguments the exact opposite of the truth he would have kept his job and eventually been promoted and gotten a raise.
"those aren't accounting type jobs"
No shit, he never said every single female cs job in 1984 was an accounting like job, you just had to get your list in.
"Do you believe those women were outliers?"
They were, the same way Steve Jobs was.
Why did you guys cut down the interview to like 3 minutes? It was an hour long interview.
I DID IT, I FINALLY DID IT! I found a video where the comments have more likes than the actual video! On a serious note, I wish the best for James Damore, where the only mistake he did, was work at Goggle.
I found it helpful to read the memo before drawing an opinion about it or the author.
I did and it really hasn't changed my opinion.... he's well-intentioned but very much misguided. I wish though Google didn't fire him but rather talked about it...
@@wendyzhang3190 how is he misguided?
In my university we started with the same numbers of women and men and we ended up only men finishing the university. The simple explanation is that women are not as interested as men to become engineers and that's ok with me. You can't mess up with the nature by forcing people to do things they don't enjoy doing.
How on God's green earth...do you expect the rest of us too look at CNN as *ANYTHING* other than *political activism?* Sincere question.
YES for Mr Damore.
NO for the mainstream media.
Wow... she cherry picked from history a few women here and there. Lets be completely honest here... there were not more women in coding than men. That is a falsehood stated by CNN. She doesn't cite sources... just blabs on.
Part of programming for Apollo missions was weaving endless amounts of copper wire(core rope memory). This required dexterity and experience with weaving, women made perfect candidates for the job. Not to downsize their job, but this is not what we mean by "programming" these days
CNN was calling him a sexist....surprised they did not cut him off when he articulated his point....like they always do.
Oh god CNN, quit being thick. He isn't saying that ALL females suck or wrinkle their noses at STEM. Also google needs to use it's own search engine to search for "Stats 101".
Also as she named off historical females in Computer Science from past 5-6 decades and says women in CS has fallen over the years seems to suggest we are MORE biased against women today than in the 1950s. His follow up point to that make sense and begs the entire question again, is it always or mostly bias keeping women out of tech?
Obviously not.
The problem with his and your thinking is that how can we determine how much it's bias and how much it's biology that keeps women out of tech. If we all agree that some amount of bias is at play I don't see anything wrong with Google saying we're going to make sure we hire a certain number of women to make up for the bias that may otherwise keep them out.
Erline Andrews True! But that was the point. There is no consideration of alternate possibilities. He was asking what your asking. Both exist and we shouldn't attribute everything to one possibility.
Why is considering that alternative so offensive? It's become a near ideological cult to find the memo "wrong".
Damore was objecting to Google's efforts to seek to hire more women. He thought it was discriminatory to men. That's what his memo was about. I actually read the memo hoping he'd suggest alternative ways of achieving the same goal but he never did really.
Erline Andrews he made the case that bias isn't the only reason women aren't in tech. The memo was intended to spurn a discussion with others and leadership on how to reevaluate the perceptions of hiring and gender. I'm not sure his intention was meant to give solutions. Just said stop calling everything discrimination for sake of discrimination and stop hiring diversity for mere sake of diversity.
Why don't you show the whole interview CNN?
The reporter's reasoning is 'flawlessly FLAWED'! 🤦🏻♂️
Google is going to lose millions.
Ed Maphis how?
Civil rights case. Unlawful termination. He already had a case going with the Federal Government. He did this to provide more evidence. I going to guess at least seven digits.
Ed Maphis He signed an 'at will' contract when he accepted the job. He could have been fired for no reason at anytime.
tankie California law
want to know why it won't? because you're on youtube.
She really thought she had him there with that montage of superlative women.
Can anyone drop a Link to the memo? I'm super stoops and can't find it.
I couldn't help feel sorry for the guy. He is definitely an intelligent and compassionate guy. And the ironic part is he actually on their side. He wants to make the workplace better for women. And for that he is turning to facts and science and truth. And the ideologues basically can't handle any of it.
I just read the memo, and basically, James D'amore describes the biological difference in women that causes them to not choose tech jobs, and he proposes solution on how to get more women IN tech.
What google does, is sees men and women as NO DIFFERENT, therefore, maintaining the status quo of disproportionality of men and women in certain job fields.
THE DUDE FROM CLOUDY WITH A CHANCE OF MEATBALLS WORKED FOR GOOGLE?
This is furthering my resolve in moving off of google. It’s hard to do because their product overall is the best and they are into everything. The way we all can stop this is to move off of their products. The free market always responds to consumers and their are entrepreneurs out there who are eager to meet the need. The problem they have is getting their services up to speed fast enough. Start ups, experiment and there are cliches and hiccups they go through. We as consumers struggle having the patience or “stick to it” mentality to allow new formats to fully develop.
The next company that needs to sink is this one right here, RUclips. If anyone hasn’t actively searched out other alternatives to RUclips I encourage you to. Yes, they are more primitive, yes they are limited, but so was RUclips at one time. But there are entrepreneurial people out there who believe in total freedom of speech, expression and content. They just need consumers to be patient as their content and services develop. Without followers, they will not be able to afford the costs, resources and time to do so. Believe me when people with capital see action on these alternative sites, they will jump in and invest the capital
Boycotting any co with ties to Google and of course. Oh and the interviewer clearly didn't read the memo.
why do big companies force people to beat stereotypes even when there is nothing wrong with it?
They both knocked it out of the park, both represented women well. The reporter clearly was given orders to discredit him and failed in this wrong assignment but she did her primary assignment (even if by accident) of showing the truth, the dude was innocent.
Anyone who has watched a RUclips video can tell that this was obviously edited to take him out of context and not allow him to finish his sentences. So much for being a "news" organization.
Take a shot every time the news anchor blinks
If a woman chooses not to enter the tech field, she should be sued.
Is she implying there was less discrimination against women in the 1950's?
This guy was trying to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. This interviewer totally misses the point.
What a shitty interview. I admire him for speaking up. Most people don't have the guts he does.
Google said that they wanted to make a place where people can share their opinions openly. But that is complete bull
fried snake Note: 'opinions'
Facts get you fired.
Ever wonder how long the real interview was and how much they cut out to support their narrative?
1 hour interview turned into a fucking 2 minute video...
I simply dislike the reporter. Her "disgust" in him is apparent during several questions. The media has a big problem, and they don't even understand they are feeding the flames. Meanwhile the rest of us try not to get burned in the middle.
Typical CNN interview. The reporter is like she doesn't even listen to what he's saying. She just sticks to a script trying to make him look bad. It's such a bad cable outlet, really sad.
01:02: "Computer science, it hasn't always been dominated by men, it was not until 1984 that the number women studying computer science started falling."
This statement is clearly false. CS has ALWAYS been dominated by men. The highest percent of women in CS was 37% in 1984, and before 1975, it was less than 18%.
Speaking Truth to Power!
Power is irrational by it's nature.
she didn't even bother asking why he wrote the memo.
"computer hasnt always been dominated by men" this is really just not true
With her attitude - she "spits a poison" so much - that this poor guy looks like he is being interrogated.
He practically says there is another privotal problem to why women population are lower than men, but we arent focus on solving that, instead we excuse the problem and hire for "diversity".
lmfao, why they address him as a "fired google" engineer? and not just engineer.
Neuroticism is a technical psychological term, not a derogatory phrase.
That reporter is having a completely different conversation. Then the X Google engineer. I mean it's Ludacris.
I guess she's like if I say it. Then that's the conversation.
All That matters to her is that he's on the TV while she says whatever she wants. Having nothing to do with his responses. To make him seem like a misogynist..
So let's get this straight. Misogyny is unacceptable. But Misandry is ok.
Shame shame CNN.
This is not an interview. She is in attacking mode.
Holy crow, she wont listen to what he is saying at all. terrible interviewer. she should really be fired.
2:10
Do we believe Grace Hopper, the Navy Rear Admiral programming pioneer, was an outlier? Well I don't think she was representative of the broader population, or the female half of it.
How come CNN has prepared a whole list of women in IT and argument that after 1984 (curious year, isn't it), less women were working in IT... it's like they are trying to imply that after 1984, the society started ramp up on the sexism and bigotry front. Men somehow infiltrated this beautiful female science and pushed away all the vulnerable (but extremely intelligent and way better) wymyn.
If they prepared this point, they surely had to have some interpretation of their reasoning. Why don't they state that reasoning? Why are they just implying it? And more importantly, why is their explanation true without any discussion and other explanations are false? Why are even attempts at other theories the proof of bigotry?
You know what would be nice to say? It would be beautiful if we could say that women and better than men, that women are more intelligent than men, that women are what holds the society together and men are just freeloaders, that only women work and men don't... why would you even dare to suggest otherwise? How could you? You sexist pig!
'Do you believe those women were outliers?' No shit, you're literally mentioning them as some of the most important people in computing. If they were male they'd be outliers.
didnt realize it was gonna be a fucking lecture jesus christ 2 is enough
Eh, when women get to the point we can't tell them apart, are they gonna still want to be treated like women? That's different than men you know.
She totally missed the point of what he was saying
so many jump cuts. this is edited like your average youtube vlog. not proper editing for an interview. seems suspicious...
What the fuck was that last question? Who told her that there aren't women capable of computer programming? Damore certainly didn't write that. Why are so many people having hallucinations?
what is she talking about?
Put the full interview up CNN
Jordan Peterson has a great interview with this guy. I suggest watching it than this CNN employee. (Don't want to say woman, that would be sexist)
I would like to hear what Larry and Sergey have to say.
Nice job making it blatantly obvious that this interview was edited to make Damore look bad.
Answer is so simple. Women realized they weren't going to get their g-strings stuffed with $10s and $20s doing programming.
Two seconds in and I can tell this reporter has no interest in actually listening to what he has to say. I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she’s just bored and distracted. Not biased.
I'd wager 1 million dollars she can't repeat any of the names of the women she rattled off if you asked without a teleprompter...........
James will bounce back big and he'll be unstoppable. I appreciate his transparency.
Where has my country gone? I can't trust government, the news, or corporations even 50%.
Just see how he is trying to worm his way out of the hole he dug
well perhaps he shouldn't of wrote it if he didn't want us to understand his opinion.
Why was she attacking him for no reason
She blinks too much
He was fired for calling women "neurotic"... aren't we all.
women are way better than men at so many things - my girl friend can talk on the phone for 36 hours non stop - something that i can never do
Just changed me home page to duck duck goose rather than google.
Everyone making fun of the reporter, she is just reading words off a screen...
Why are they trying to make this man bad.
>cobol
>not accounting
Excuse me while my sides go into orbit
in 1984 the number of women studying CS was 37% (not very high to begin with) and now its dropped to 17%. There has been a huge boost in other professions e.g. law/medicine where women dominate. The cause for the historical decline is not easy to answer on the fly
1:48. Today, August 15th, 2017, marks the first time I have ever truly questioned whether we landed on the moon. Hearing in this video about all these different women who allegedly helped us with our Apollo missions has awoken me to the possibilities that maybe we didn't land on that big hunk of cheese.
I just finished watching the entire video. Talk about making him look stupid and nosy. Just go read his memo. He writes much more coherently than how CNN edits him into looking unsure of himself. Also, how they light up his trunk makes it look even bigger than an elephant's trunk.
Surely the nonsense media coverage of the Damore case suggests that: maybe the media coverage of the moon landing was ALSO nonsense! I mean maybe not, but for me the Damore event was the death of trust in mainstream media. It was just such blatant bullshit when the facts were plainly present for anyone to see. If the media lied about Damore, why not lie about the moon landing? (Not saying moon landing was faked, but media coverage is not good evidence for the truth, it turns out). What other events could the media be lying about?
Over a page of tactics to get more women involved but he’s the sexist that got fired. Progressive af
So what you're saying is...
She's either not that bright or willfully misinterpreting
Don't cry bro.... She should of asked "are you crying".
Woah what's with all the hate here? She asked him questions, let him answer, put across her point and let him answer again. Seems reasonable to me.
What happened to the motto "Don't Be Evil"
Laurie is trying so hard to twist his narrative to make it seem like he's a woman hater..
Where in heaven's name does Segall get her information? John Glenn never had help making his "accurate... trajectory to the moon" because Glenn was never involved in a moon mission. What's wrong with her? That part of this interview was clearly a piece she had prepared in advance, yet should couldn't even offer accurate information despite having the opportunity to prepare it. That's just embarrassing for both her and CNN.