@@RedrumJester Sometimes an assistent manager will classify incorrectly basically the attributes to look for are: Mental Attributes Anticipation: Ability to predict play and react quickly. Composure: Remains calm under pressure, crucial for decision-making in tight spaces. Creativity: Essential for devising unexpected plays and breaking down defenses. Decisions: Chooses the best options consistently. Off the Ball: Excellent movement and positioning to exploit space effectively. Vision: Ability to see and execute passes that others might not. Technical Attributes Dribbling: Capable of taking on defenders and maintaining possession. First Touch: Ensures control of the ball, even under pressure. Passing: Accurate and creative passing to link play between midfield and attack. Technique: High technical ability to perform complex maneuvers. Physical Attributes Agility: Quick and nimble to navigate through tight spaces. Balance: Maintains stability when challenged physically. Acceleration: Quick bursts of speed to lose markers and create space. Additional Useful Attributes Finishing: While not the primary scorer, a False Nine should still be able to capitalize on goal-scoring opportunities. Flair: Adds unpredictability and creativity to their play. Top 3 1: Off the bal 2: Vision 3: Technique
Finally someone explains it in a way I can understand it....Thank you! Now I understand how on earth I used a F9 combined with an SS and a couple W / IF and worked for some time...and worked well on Regionalliga, in Germany! :D Once again, thanks for breaking it down and simple. :)
glad you enjoyed it!! And definitely a F9 and SS are a killer combo! This is what makes the F9 so good, can pair with a midfielder that loves to get forward and attack
Nicely described - especially breaking down the attributes that make the difference between the DLF and the F9. As you always mention, creating the space is the key!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Let's be honest, after watching both England and USA this week, that was the main thing I was shouting at the TV... other than the swearing.
Thank you my friend! Glad you are enjoying the videos and thank you for the support! I grew up in the late 80's/early 90's so the retro feel is right at home for me haha
Another great explanation of the role :🙌, a role specially suited for a very fluid system ❤ Here a list for strikers for the onces interested, but you can use the role offcouse also in less fluid systems. Very Structured: Target Man (Defend) Poacher Defensive Forward Structured: Structured: Target Man (Support) Pressing Forward (Defend) Defensive Forward (Support) Balanced: Balanced: Advanced Forward Deep-Lying Forward (Support) Advanced Forward (Attack) Fluid: Fluid: Complete Forward Inside Forward (Attack) Inside Forward (Support) Complete Forward (Attack) Very Fluid: Very Fluid: Trequartista False Nine Shadow Striker False Nine (Attack)
Hi @@volkanpalut1993 Inside forwards are particularly well-suited to fluid systems due to their need for positional flexibility, creative freedom, and dynamic movement. Fluid allow them to exploit spaces, combine with teammates, and create unpredictable attacking patterns more than in a restricting structured system. there the emphasis is on positional discipline and defined roles, this limits would limit the role effectiveness by restricting their movement and creativity. Also in the whole team tactic a wingback would be more suited then a fullback as they would overlap more and create this fluid system for structured you would then pick a fullback or even more restricted role. Hope you get it this way, when not just let me know will try explain in another way.
@@volkanpalut1993 dont think will impact the height of the inside forward on the pitch a lot. Probably more the mentality and higher pressing will keep player the most time higher up.
I love the F9 role as its so complementary to pace inside forwards or shadow striker. Currently in my save i have a godly Target forward on support to drag out the defenders with the IF and SS all on atk to atk that space
Great Video as usual mate :) One thing i noticed between the DFL and the F9 is their movement pattern in the final third. The F9 acts more alike a poacher or a AF in the way that, after the dropped deep, he still trys to get ahead into a scoring position while the DFL acts more like a Target forwad that moves more with the ball and stays bit more back between the penalty spot and the 5m box. Not sure if thats shown in some actual data, just my observation.
that's a great observation! And now that you mention it, it does seem like the F9 does that type of movement. Kinda related, but that's one thing i'm always wary about when comparing two different positions with two different players in different systems. Are they playing a certain way because of the role? Or did it just happen to be that one certain play where they did that? But thanks for adding, I think you nailed the difference between the two
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I guess that can only be answered if u compare the data. i guess a f9 has more attempted dribblings per game as a dlf. so technicly u could take a guy with the "right" stats for a f9 and a guy who has more the stats of a DLF and compare if the attempted dribblings per game are similiar. the difference then should be that the f9 guy has more successfull dribblings. but im no pro at data mining :D im just a filthy casual xD
The main difference is that the DLP has the instruction "hold the ball" which means ones he receives the ball, the player will turn his back onto the enemy in order to hold the ball with his strenght and then he looks to pass. The DLP and F9 let themselves fall a little bit in the midfield in order to support the midfield. While the F9 falls back and tries to outmove his enemy with his pace and agility and dribbling, the DLP plays primaliry with his strenght.
Really interesting, it would be cool to see a video on striker combinations. Didn't realise the DLF was a more physical role, I've been defaulting to a target man when I have tall, strong striker.
I love the TF. I use the roie if he's a certain height (like 6'4" or above), or if he doesn't have great passing/technical attributes. If not I'll usually default to a DLF. I've been trying to pay attention to it, but I *think* that players float more crosses in if you have a TF as opposed to a DLF.
That's a great point I probably should've mentioned in the video haha; if you've got an amazing AM (like Wirtz), he can probably transition pretty easily to a F9
i seen your videos notification when i was at work and waited 5 hours for watch it. another lovely video. but i am sad. cuz there is no example with 3 st combinations. my dream MSN tactic is 4-3-3 with 3 strikers. Neymar = Treq . AF. Messi F9 Suarez = Poacher - AF - CF Which combination would be best?
that means a lot that you would wait for my video! Sorry for not having a 3 striker example, but there may be one coming in the near future if it makes you feel better! 👀
Hey, loving the videos and learning so much about tactics which says a lot as i have been playing since FM12🙂 i do have a question tho and need help with a formation i am tryin gto create. I want to use a False 9 and a Treq in the same formation, but the only way i can think is to play a 433 with the Treq on left flank and then False 9 as the single ST which would suit the 2 players i want to play in these postions. But i am not sure if this would create enough chances with only 2 attack roles. RW would be a winger on S. RCM would be CM(a) and LCM was thinking either Carilero or Mezzala(s) as they will drift wide as i want the Treq sitting Narrow and cutting inside with the ball. DM would be an Anchor. LB would be WB(s) maybe even (a) with the Treq difting and cutting inside, then a IWB(s) as the RB. How does this sound? am i along the right lines? if you have any changes please let me know or if you can think of another way to get them both in. Thanks 😃 and sorry for long message 🤣
hey I love long messages! Gives me something to do haha. You are on the right track, the center midfield will probably be the best area to pick up some of the scoring slack. Our setups would be pretty similar (and this would be going off what you said was your player's preferred positions) Striker: F9 Left Wing: Trequartista Right Wing: Winger (S) Left CM: Mezzala or Carrilero (depending on the player) Right CM: Central Midfielder (A) DM: Anchor or Half Back Left FB: Full Back (S) Right FB: Inverted Wing Back (S) or even attack to give more scoring threat And two Central Defenders I would focus on possession instructions to keep hold of the ball and really get the False 9 involved. allow all that player movement to get into their positions and create quality chances. But it looks great; let me know how it works out for you!!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker haha thanks man 😎i really appriciate your reply and help. I will go with a Carrilero i think as i have been using that role the last 2 seaosns so will be familiar and already have 2 players to rotate that postion. I did think of something yesterday which worked well for me in a previous FM, that is to have the TREQ as a ST but offset to the left with stay wider, so the F9 will still be central ST and will be dropping deep and the TREQ will keep the CB's occupied. Then have the LB in the LWB postion as a CWB on attack as he then gets that whole left side. Would also offset the Anchor to that side to cover which would then allow more space of the IWB cutting in from the right. Either way i will for sure let you know how it goes 👍
I know it wasn’t specially made for me but thank you for this video. it’s allowed me to make a clear distinction between the false 9 and the dlf. keeping to my confusion, what now, is the difference between the false 9 and the treq. in your other video you highlighted messi as the most ideal treq, his real life counterpart is something im trying to replicate in football manager, but as a lone striker. i’ve always thought the Treq worked best in the AMC strata, behind a striker. in the Treq vid you made, you had him behind two strikers. so, can the Treq be effectively utilised as a lone striker? or does leaving him up top on his own not get the best out of him?
Yea, the Treq can be really effective no matter where you play him. Using the Treq in the #10 is 100% a personal preference of mine haha. He can totally be effective in a 4231 as well, not just double striker systems. But like any playmaker in that 10 spot, they need width and space to get the most out of them. You can create width either with the team instruction or my using player roles (Winger and Inverted Winger to be specific)
Great explanation! And what would be the difference between DLF and TF? Both are physical roles but the TF is more a flick-on guy and the DLF more of a passer?
yea you have it pretty much exactly right haha. The TF doesn't drop as deep and won't be as creative. But the benefit is that he's usually an even more physical version of the DLF. And I think players even will cross to the TF more, a huge benefit if you have someone tall
How many saves do you have going on? Another great video BTW I think a video on Mentality would be great and helpful for people as roles change based on mentality.
I have a few saves going on, but some are for the sake of the role. For example, I don't always play with a False 9, so I had to make a new one that utilizes it. And then I use other roles from that tactic for videos. I've used my Pacific FC save for a few roles, but with the release schedule I guess it does feel like it jumps around haha And I have a new video (hopefully) coming out soon that will start to touch on mentality, and then I plan on one to do mentality specifically
What are your thoughts on the belief that you should just use an AF over a P because the former just ends up performing better in the current ME? Also, what position + role do you think Isak would be best in for a 4-4-2 (assume the second striker compliments Isak): either a f9/cf/DLF in the deeper spot, or a p/af in the higher spot?
The AF will roam more than the Poacher (he has "move into channels" player instruction), and with a False 9 already in the tactic, I wanted the Poacher so he'll stay mostly in the striker position. And I've never tried him in FM24 yet, but at first glance, I think Isak would be an awesome DLF. Has the passing skills to be a creator, the speed to outrun centerbacks, and the physicals to hold up play
Hmmm.. my guess would be use the Deep Lying Forward, and adjust his player instructions till you get something you like. Look at "roam from position" and "dribble more"
Yea DLF is a more physical role. Think of like Romalu Lukaku at Roma or someone like that; can use their strength to hold off players. F9 is usually a "smaller" player. In my video, the F9 I use is 5'9" and the DLF is 6'3" if that gives you an idea. And yep they both play with their back to goal (usually).
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker very useful because I just had a kid in my youth intake who is very small, but has the "play with back to goal" trait and I was thinking about eradicate it. Instead, I will try him as a F9. Precious video again, please go on, it's really fresh air in thw FM community
@@VurtAddicted Yea try him out as a F9 and train him on the role to so the attributes get developed. I think the "play with back to goal" could be really useful, especially if he develops into a good playmaker.
I never really understood why Messi was the prototype of a F9, when he was certainly not a supporting striker. He was more of a Trequartista. I guess SI had to hop onto the bandwagon like they did with the Raumdeuter to create a position that never really existed. Outside of Messi and Müller, nobody has ever been labeled as such. But I am rambling. Nice explanation :D
For me the F9 is Francesco Totti, still remember the system from Spalleti where basically he was so much out of the striker position it was called a strikerless system. He won even in that season 2005/6 the golden boot in Europe with 26 goals in the Serie A
@@akkermanrik Totti is one of the reasons why I (mostly) play with a Teq up front. Totti and Baggio shaped my understanding of what a striker should be. Them and a big beefy boy like Drogba as a TF :D
I think Messi prime (Barca 2011 for example) is even more complete than this, Messi was a more creative and even more capable playmaker than what FM makes the f9 do, and Messi dropped even deeper, sometimes he played like a midfielder and dribbled a lot more, he was more a mix between f9 and ap attack
Finally the trio of strikers that seem to do the same exact thing is completed(T, DLF, F9)
If I ever ddid RUclips shorts, I could make a generic one that says "drops deep" and it would apply to like 75% of the striker roles haha
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker That applies to CF and TF as well (Maybe too PF idk), so you're right.
Nice comparison between the DLF (physical) and F9 (technical). Never thought about the difference between the roles like this
Yeah I had no idea about this. It's weird because some players recommend that a role is a DLF when the stats they have are more technically sound.
@@RedrumJester Sometimes an assistent manager will classify incorrectly basically the attributes to look for are:
Mental Attributes
Anticipation: Ability to predict play and react quickly.
Composure: Remains calm under pressure, crucial for decision-making in tight spaces.
Creativity: Essential for devising unexpected plays and breaking down defenses.
Decisions: Chooses the best options consistently.
Off the Ball: Excellent movement and positioning to exploit space effectively.
Vision: Ability to see and execute passes that others might not.
Technical Attributes
Dribbling: Capable of taking on defenders and maintaining possession.
First Touch: Ensures control of the ball, even under pressure.
Passing: Accurate and creative passing to link play between midfield and attack.
Technique: High technical ability to perform complex maneuvers.
Physical Attributes
Agility: Quick and nimble to navigate through tight spaces.
Balance: Maintains stability when challenged physically.
Acceleration: Quick bursts of speed to lose markers and create space.
Additional Useful Attributes
Finishing: While not the primary scorer, a False Nine should still be able to capitalize on goal-scoring opportunities.
Flair: Adds unpredictability and creativity to their play.
Top 3
1: Off the bal
2: Vision
3: Technique
@akkermanrik Detailed response. I appreciate it. Thanks
I always thought the ball carrying instruction is what separates them. The dlf doesn't carrying, rather links play
Sometimes these roles have such big overlaps on what they do, that sometimes it's smaller things that separate them (like physical vs technical)
There’s something so soothing about these videos
Maybe I need to start an FM ASMR channel haha
Finally someone explains it in a way I can understand it....Thank you!
Now I understand how on earth I used a F9 combined with an SS and a couple W / IF and worked for some time...and worked well on Regionalliga, in Germany! :D
Once again, thanks for breaking it down and simple. :)
glad you enjoyed it!! And definitely a F9 and SS are a killer combo! This is what makes the F9 so good, can pair with a midfielder that loves to get forward and attack
Nicely described - especially breaking down the attributes that make the difference between the DLF and the F9. As you always mention, creating the space is the key!
thank you!! It's funny because I feel like I say "create space" in every video... but it's always important to do that hahaha
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Let's be honest, after watching both England and USA this week, that was the main thing I was shouting at the TV... other than the
swearing.
@@FMlestri ugh please don't remind me haha. USA not even out of the group stage!!!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Goodbye Gregg
I just love the way you explain in detail yet so on point. Has to be the best channel for fm content. Keep up the good work mate :)
thank you! Really happy you've been able to enjoy the videos
Fantastic breakdown!!! Loving every video!!
thank you for the support!
Thx a lot for your roles and pairing guides, currently using 2 of them in my formation and they work a treat!
glad they help!! Which ones are you using in your formation?
Vol/A and DLF/SS in a 4411 (2dm) formation
New subscriber here - loving this series, and the relaxed, retro feel! Keep it up mate 🙏🏽
Thank you my friend! Glad you are enjoying the videos and thank you for the support! I grew up in the late 80's/early 90's so the retro feel is right at home for me haha
False 9 is useful when facing a 442. Creates chaos between the midfield and defense.
Great video as always DLP
Ooo that's a great idea; next time I play a 442 I'm going to try that
10/10 video i already know
Another great explanation of the role :🙌, a role specially suited for a very fluid system ❤
Here a list for strikers for the onces interested, but you can use the role offcouse also in less fluid systems.
Very Structured:
Target Man (Defend)
Poacher
Defensive Forward
Structured:
Structured:
Target Man (Support)
Pressing Forward (Defend)
Defensive Forward (Support)
Balanced:
Balanced:
Advanced Forward
Deep-Lying Forward (Support)
Advanced Forward (Attack)
Fluid:
Fluid:
Complete Forward
Inside Forward (Attack)
Inside Forward (Support)
Complete Forward (Attack)
Very Fluid:
Very Fluid:
Trequartista
False Nine
Shadow Striker
False Nine (Attack)
I need to have you do addendums to these videos cause this is great haha.
why inside forward is good for fluid instead of structured. whats difference?
Hi @@volkanpalut1993 Inside forwards are particularly well-suited to fluid systems due to their need for positional flexibility, creative freedom, and dynamic movement. Fluid allow them to exploit spaces, combine with teammates, and create unpredictable attacking patterns more than in a restricting structured system. there the emphasis is on positional discipline and defined roles, this limits would limit the role effectiveness by restricting their movement and creativity. Also in the whole team tactic a wingback would be more suited then a fullback as they would overlap more and create this fluid system for structured you would then pick a fullback or even more restricted role. Hope you get it this way, when not just let me know will try explain in another way.
@@akkermanrik wouldnt inside forward stays higher at structured system?
@@volkanpalut1993 dont think will impact the height of the inside forward on the pitch a lot. Probably more the mentality and higher pressing will keep player the most time higher up.
You are brilliant, mate 😊
Thank you so much 😀
I love the F9 role as its so complementary to pace inside forwards or shadow striker.
Currently in my save i have a godly Target forward on support to drag out the defenders with the IF and SS all on atk to atk that space
The F9 really does seem like a role where his purpose is to unlock the abilities of his teammates
Great Video as usual mate :)
One thing i noticed between the DFL and the F9 is their movement pattern in the final third. The F9 acts more alike a poacher or a AF in the way that, after the dropped deep, he still trys to get ahead into a scoring position while the DFL acts more like a Target forwad that moves more with the ball and stays bit more back between the penalty spot and the 5m box. Not sure if thats shown in some actual data, just my observation.
that's a great observation! And now that you mention it, it does seem like the F9 does that type of movement.
Kinda related, but that's one thing i'm always wary about when comparing two different positions with two different players in different systems. Are they playing a certain way because of the role? Or did it just happen to be that one certain play where they did that?
But thanks for adding, I think you nailed the difference between the two
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker I guess that can only be answered if u compare the data. i guess a f9 has more attempted dribblings per game as a dlf. so technicly u could take a guy with the "right" stats for a f9 and a guy who has more the stats of a DLF and compare if the attempted dribblings per game are similiar. the difference then should be that the f9 guy has more successfull dribblings. but im no pro at data mining :D im just a filthy casual xD
The main difference is that the DLP has the instruction "hold the ball" which means ones he receives the ball, the player will turn his back onto the enemy in order to hold the ball with his strenght and then he looks to pass. The DLP and F9 let themselves fall a little bit in the midfield in order to support the midfield.
While the F9 falls back and tries to outmove his enemy with his pace and agility and dribbling, the DLP plays primaliry with his strenght.
Really interesting, it would be cool to see a video on striker combinations. Didn't realise the DLF was a more physical role, I've been defaulting to a target man when I have tall, strong striker.
I love the TF. I use the roie if he's a certain height (like 6'4" or above), or if he doesn't have great passing/technical attributes. If not I'll usually default to a DLF. I've been trying to pay attention to it, but I *think* that players float more crosses in if you have a TF as opposed to a DLF.
ohh, comparing the DLF and F9 was interesting, always had me confused
yea they're very similar... but it feels like a lot of the striker roles are kinda similar haha
good stuff as usual.
Glad you enjoyed it thanks!
I used Florian Wirtz in the False 9 for me at Man Utd. He was incredible at it. I found it linked up really well with the CM-A and IF-A
That's a great point I probably should've mentioned in the video haha; if you've got an amazing AM (like Wirtz), he can probably transition pretty easily to a F9
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker both he and Pafundi were both excellent at it
i seen your videos notification when i was at work and waited 5 hours for watch it. another lovely video. but i am sad. cuz there is no example with 3 st combinations.
my dream MSN tactic is 4-3-3 with 3 strikers.
Neymar = Treq . AF.
Messi F9
Suarez = Poacher - AF - CF
Which combination would be best?
that means a lot that you would wait for my video! Sorry for not having a 3 striker example, but there may be one coming in the near future if it makes you feel better! 👀
Hey, loving the videos and learning so much about tactics which says a lot as i have been playing since FM12🙂 i do have a question tho and need help with a formation i am tryin gto create. I want to use a False 9 and a Treq in the same formation, but the only way i can think is to play a 433 with the Treq on left flank and then False 9 as the single ST which would suit the 2 players i want to play in these postions. But i am not sure if this would create enough chances with only 2 attack roles. RW would be a winger on S. RCM would be CM(a) and LCM was thinking either Carilero or Mezzala(s) as they will drift wide as i want the Treq sitting Narrow and cutting inside with the ball. DM would be an Anchor. LB would be WB(s) maybe even (a) with the Treq difting and cutting inside, then a IWB(s) as the RB. How does this sound? am i along the right lines? if you have any changes please let me know or if you can think of another way to get them both in. Thanks 😃 and sorry for long message 🤣
hey I love long messages! Gives me something to do haha. You are on the right track, the center midfield will probably be the best area to pick up some of the scoring slack. Our setups would be pretty similar (and this would be going off what you said was your player's preferred positions)
Striker: F9
Left Wing: Trequartista
Right Wing: Winger (S)
Left CM: Mezzala or Carrilero (depending on the player)
Right CM: Central Midfielder (A)
DM: Anchor or Half Back
Left FB: Full Back (S)
Right FB: Inverted Wing Back (S) or even attack to give more scoring threat
And two Central Defenders
I would focus on possession instructions to keep hold of the ball and really get the False 9 involved. allow all that player movement to get into their positions and create quality chances. But it looks great; let me know how it works out for you!!
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker haha thanks man 😎i really appriciate your reply and help. I will go with a Carrilero i think as i have been using that role the last 2 seaosns so will be familiar and already have 2 players to rotate that postion.
I did think of something yesterday which worked well for me in a previous FM, that is to have the TREQ as a ST but offset to the left with stay wider, so the F9 will still be central ST and will be dropping deep and the TREQ will keep the CB's occupied. Then have the LB in the LWB postion as a CWB on attack as he then gets that whole left side. Would also offset the Anchor to that side to cover which would then allow more space of the IWB cutting in from the right.
Either way i will for sure let you know how it goes 👍
I know it wasn’t specially made for me but thank you for this video. it’s allowed me to make a clear distinction between the false 9 and the dlf. keeping to my confusion, what now, is the difference between the false 9 and the treq. in your other video you highlighted messi as the most ideal treq, his real life counterpart is something im trying to replicate in football manager, but as a lone striker. i’ve always thought the Treq worked best in the AMC strata, behind a striker. in the Treq vid you made, you had him behind two strikers. so, can the Treq be effectively utilised as a lone striker? or does leaving him up top on his own not get the best out of him?
Yea, the Treq can be really effective no matter where you play him.
Using the Treq in the #10 is 100% a personal preference of mine haha. He can totally be effective in a 4231 as well, not just double striker systems. But like any playmaker in that 10 spot, they need width and space to get the most out of them.
You can create width either with the team instruction or my using player roles (Winger and Inverted Winger to be specific)
Great explanation! And what would be the difference between DLF and TF? Both are physical roles but the TF is more a flick-on guy and the DLF more of a passer?
yea you have it pretty much exactly right haha. The TF doesn't drop as deep and won't be as creative. But the benefit is that he's usually an even more physical version of the DLF. And I think players even will cross to the TF more, a huge benefit if you have someone tall
How many saves do you have going on? Another great video BTW I think a video on Mentality would be great and helpful for people as roles change based on mentality.
I have a few saves going on, but some are for the sake of the role. For example, I don't always play with a False 9, so I had to make a new one that utilizes it. And then I use other roles from that tactic for videos. I've used my Pacific FC save for a few roles, but with the release schedule I guess it does feel like it jumps around haha
And I have a new video (hopefully) coming out soon that will start to touch on mentality, and then I plan on one to do mentality specifically
Next advance playmaker 😊😊
What are your thoughts on the belief that you should just use an AF over a P because the former just ends up performing better in the current ME?
Also, what position + role do you think Isak would be best in for a 4-4-2 (assume the second striker compliments Isak): either a f9/cf/DLF in the deeper spot, or a p/af in the higher spot?
The AF will roam more than the Poacher (he has "move into channels" player instruction), and with a False 9 already in the tactic, I wanted the Poacher so he'll stay mostly in the striker position.
And I've never tried him in FM24 yet, but at first glance, I think Isak would be an awesome DLF. Has the passing skills to be a creator, the speed to outrun centerbacks, and the physicals to hold up play
Thanks! What are the main differences between a Tf and DLF then, the dlf drops deeper than the tf and typically needs better passing?
how do i create a nine and a half where they use both physical and technical attributes like zirkzee
Hmmm.. my guess would be use the Deep Lying Forward, and adjust his player instructions till you get something you like. Look at "roam from position" and "dribble more"
Is there another platform where we can follow you or ask for advice?
sorry for the delay!! I replied to your other post, but I've got a brand new instagram account you can send me a DM there (@thedeeplyingplaymaker)
Would love to see your tactic for kyoto sanga, they're my second save
oh nice! Not to promote myself haha but if you watch the Deep Lying Forward video I talk about the tactic in that one!
Please do for Ball Playing Def and Central Def
I am not very familiar with both roles, is a DLF supposed to be bigger than a F9 with more balance? And would they both play back to the goal?
Yea DLF is a more physical role. Think of like Romalu Lukaku at Roma or someone like that; can use their strength to hold off players. F9 is usually a "smaller" player. In my video, the F9 I use is 5'9" and the DLF is 6'3" if that gives you an idea. And yep they both play with their back to goal (usually).
@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker very useful because I just had a kid in my youth intake who is very small, but has the "play with back to goal" trait and I was thinking about eradicate it. Instead, I will try him as a F9.
Precious video again, please go on, it's really fresh air in thw FM community
@@VurtAddicted Yea try him out as a F9 and train him on the role to so the attributes get developed. I think the "play with back to goal" could be really useful, especially if he develops into a good playmaker.
Yet more gold
You may have answered this one before, but which skin do you use?
it's the Rensie Dark FM24 skin! it's on the FMScout website
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Thanks!
Pls, CM's!!!! btw nice video, thanks!
thanks! Should see some more midfielders and wide players in the videos coming up soon(ish)!
I never really understood why Messi was the prototype of a F9, when he was certainly not a supporting striker. He was more of a Trequartista. I guess SI had to hop onto the bandwagon like they did with the Raumdeuter to create a position that never really existed. Outside of Messi and Müller, nobody has ever been labeled as such.
But I am rambling. Nice explanation :D
For me the F9 is Francesco Totti, still remember the system from Spalleti where basically he was so much out of the striker position it was called a strikerless system.
He won even in that season 2005/6 the golden boot in Europe with 26 goals in the Serie A
@@akkermanrik Totti is one of the reasons why I (mostly) play with a Teq up front. Totti and Baggio shaped my understanding of what a striker should be. Them and a big beefy boy like Drogba as a TF :D
@@ianresc3615 Two legends ❣
@@ianresc3615 Totti and Biago, just love for both of them 2 legends of the game
We got "roles" that actually "media description" actually. The real terms are the player positions, the roles are just media's tags.
The Gabi Jesus role
Frrr
For some reason the false 9 never works for me. Even technical players like Xavi Simons or Wirtz play way better as DLF on support than as a false 9
If I ever make a top 5 video on "amazing one game terrible the next" the False 9 may be number 1 haha
TREQUARTISTA NEXT PLEASE :)
He did do one 3 weeks ago
yep, check the back catalog! It should be there somewhere haha
@@TheDeepLyingPlaymaker Damn I missed that one. I'll check that out.
Messi's role
I think Messi prime (Barca 2011 for example) is even more complete than this, Messi was a more creative and even more capable playmaker than what FM makes the f9 do, and Messi dropped even deeper, sometimes he played like a midfielder and dribbled a lot more, he was more a mix between f9 and ap attack
2:07 its the target forward that needs physical attributes to hold up the play