Cant blame him really. Most people mistake serial killers or psychopaths for being insane. And while some are delusional in addition to the previous two, it is horrifying when you learn they are far from delusional. Knowing people like Dahmer or Ed Gein we all too often look at them as being like us with the addition of insanity. But it is so much scarier when you realize the vast majority like Ted Bundy, HH Holmes and so many others Hannibal is based on, are actually just glass people missing vital parta of what makes us Human. Seeing true psychopathy on documentarys like an Ed Kemper is truly frightening.
@@jadefire2817 o man no! That sounds awesome, im gonna try and look that up now. Hes a very interesting one, i really like how much Last Podcast on the Left points out things he says. It hilights the little phrases and ticks that show you you arent talking to a normal human despite how jovial and charming he seems. Like when he explains his first hitchiker kills and says "she ended up screaming and got her throat slit"........which sounds a lil odd but once you realize hes displaying the inner logic he tries to hide, that he distances himself and acts like he wasnt the one doing this stuff, that it was happenstance is very disturbing
+stephen Toth Exactly! Kemper really makes me wonder what they would actually "class" him as, because when he talks about murdering his mother, he cries, and shows genuine sorrow over the whole thing. I mean , he's obviously of genius intelligence, but his emotional affect is nearly constantly flat. And you just cannot underestimate the shock of seeing how *HUGE* he is physically.............it's stunning.
@@jadefire2817 Yeh the pictures they have of him walking in cuffs with the officers who brought him back to Santa Cruz is insane. He towers over everyone easily. I love the rookie cops quote saying "and then Ed got out. Got out. Then got out of his car". It really all makes sense once you know his mother and him when he was a kid, then seeing how huge he grew also. Hes a very straightforward one IMO, in all seriousness the textbook case, as the book was written about him and few others in reality. Hes a huge child who was never shown love from his mother in a giant mans body. Just knowing the stories of how his mother would send him down under the table into that crawlspace because she feared hed rape his sisters you really quickly understand who he is. And its strangely identical just smaller scale when he grew up.
+stephen Toth And yet there are those who say John Douglas is completely wrong in his assessment of the "why" Ed was the way he was, saying he was born evil , and that his mother had nothing to do with it. That he would have been that way regardless. I don't believe in the theory that psychopaths are "born", or at least, not in the strictest sense. Even in Thomas Harris' books , Hannibal "became" what he was because of the horrors that were perpetuated on him in war. Although that's fiction of course, I think it still applies to the real world.
I felt Hannibal leaned a little bit too much into his aftershave. It’s like, “OK Lecter, it’s a bad aftershave. Yet you made three or four comments about it. You’re supposed to be some scary guy, but you’re main ammunition is AFTERSHAVE.”
He's not smarter than Hannibal, but he's smarter than Hannibal thought, and Hannibal, being a thrill seeker, took one risk too many. They worked closely together to catch the murderer of Hannibal's victims. That's one hell of a risk to take, but Hannibal's arrogance and general superiority in relation to most people made him think he could get away with, and get one hell of a thrill in the process. But he misjudged Will, and perhaps not even by much - being a thrill seeker means being close to the edge. That's how Will caught him. Not Will's lame ”you're insane” explanation.
Darius Sabat It most definitely is. Lector definitely has a penchant for theatrics. Most of his kills are done with almost operatic conduction and showmanship, especially the way he takes a moment occasionally to sit enjoy the chaos he just orchestrated.
Which is what he meant by insane. As in your insanity led to your actions, which led to overconfidence. Not that complicated. Things are rarely black and white and you honestly shouldn't have to explain that
MrImastinker, yes but it's out of character of Will to treat Hannibal that way, I don't think it quite fits. I don't expect Will to go into a lengthy explanation, just something more serious.
No it's just a terrible film with really good actors that are put there to make it seem great but is terrible the original film with the different title was better and I still think it holds up better than this shit which was cashing in on the whole Hannibal thing.
Even though it's hidden well, you can see that Will is still terrified of Lecter. After this scene he takes off his jacket to reveal armpit stains which shows just that even though there is a bulletproof glass cage protecting him, Lecter still scares the hell out of Will. Anyone would be scared to death of Lecter, regardless if he's in a cage with a bulletproof glass door protecting you from him.
@@lizanna6390I disagree, if you see the first scene of red dragon, Doctor Lecter says exactly this but to Will. He says he's reeks of fear but he's not a coward. But to Clarice he sees she's not afraid, he insulted her and her answer was telling him he is afraid to look at himself, in the end Hannibal is impressed and recognized she's very ambitious.
Hopkins flawless as always, smooth like glass, but with that ever present terrible undercurrent of danger. Norton , plays Will as almost more inside his own head, and yet the characters of Lecter and Graham just bounce the scene off of one another in a perfect mental tennis match.
Lector hates it when people call him insane or tries to label him. It's one of the main reasons he hates Chilton because Chilton knows this and constantly labels him a psychopath in psychological profiles and journals.
No, he genuinely hates Chilton , because Chilton fancies himself some sort of psychiatric doctoral genius, and for lack of any other way to put it, is a douche. It was once said that Hannibal only dined on the "rude", to which I think he fully applies to Chilton.
I had always loved Anthony Hopkins as Lecter, and still do. However, there’s an element that Mads Mikkelson brings to the character that I can’t quite identify which puts his Lecter over the top. In my opinion, of course...
King David I think they both do, but Hopkins’ Lecter has bursts of insanity laced with violence, whereas Mikkelson’s shows sanity consistently even through his most violent actions. Hopkins has animalistic bursts, but Mikkelson has an almost futuristic super predator at all times (though he almost always disguises it in his man suit). I get ya though, and mostly agree!
At least to me, Mads always felt untrustworthy when he talked with people, he always seemed to be sizing someone up as prey. Hopkins has a jovial disposition. With the right people.
Steve A never thought of it like that, could that categorise some other killers?, I mean lecter went for the weak or weaker predators right?, bullies look for weakness etc. This movie scares me more than the original, I dunno why , maybe because he’s in a box for most of the first movie and even when he kills he’s still trapped for most of it, 🤷♀️...or maybe he’s playing lector better
Mads brought a more physical element to Lecter. The way he looks around, the way he smells, the way he moves. When his Lecter is interacting with normal people, he just oozes class. At the same time his mannerisms only ever betray his true nature for microseconds. When it's time for him to kill, suddenly his smile drops, his stance changes, and then he dials his speed to a superhuman level. It's moments like that when he looks more like a hungry wolf. It's easier to see that aspect when he fights Tobias, or when he corners Beverly Katz snooping around in his basement.
I like how the intro of this scene parallels when Starling first goes to see Lecter in Silence of the Lambs. Only difference being Lecter is on the bed when Graham comes, and Lecter is standing up waiting for Clarice in TSoTL.
I actually prefer the version of this scene from Manhunter. Lecter seems more genuinely more cordial and pleasant. To begin with. Makes it harder to remember how much of a monster he is. Hopkin's Lecter is amazing, but maybe too creepy all the time.
I really didn't find Cox's "Lecktor" cordial. I thought he acted like he held everyone, including Graham, in open contempt. His smarmy and insincere "thank you so much. I'll call you when I'm finished" when the guard brings him a phone, supposedly to call his lawyer, is a great example imho. You just knew he was thinking, threaten to mace me in the face? If you only knew what I'd do to you if I could, you'd never have another peaceful night's sleep again.
I love Red Dragon, before this was made I wanted a Silence of the Lambs prequel so badly. I wanted to see how Hannibal ended up in that Baltimore facility, and who put him there. This movie answered my questions and it was needed.
That cracking glass effect the Fear channel uses was such a perfect end for this clip. As Dr. Lecter's face was surely Cracked with his response, "You're insane." LMAO! 🤣🤣🤣☠
2:44 the flutter of his eyes when he asks “what disadvantages?“ brilliant, conveyance, momentary, vulnerability, and then snapping right back into narcissistic psychopathy. My favorite scene.
Will didn't want to say Lecter was insane. He would have left it at "disadvantages", because he prefers to avoid getting into any kind of verbal sparring with Lecter. But he realized Lecter wouldn't let it go. So he told him he was insane, knowing how much he'd hate to hear it. In the books, Will answers the question with "Passion. And you're insane." I think this version works better. More impactful.
Lecter really truly wanted to know because he himself did not completely know, and then to be struck with a truth so simple and obvious he was visably for a moment truly fractured by it
Hopkins plays that part perfect! The way he refers to Dr Chilton is priceless! Lmao.....gruesome isn't he...basically saying Chilton is a complete idiot and he can't stand him
"I caught you because you stabbed me and then I shot you. It only turned out much later that you were the Cannibal I was looking for." Should've said that. Would've implied that Lecter got himself caught, in a way.
Lecter wouldn't have felt he had to kill Graham, though, and wouldn't have been shot if Graham hadn't been clever enough to tumble to the fact that he was the very same person they were looking for.
the most chilling part is how lecter tells will that it was no accident he caught him. that in his mind is the same predatory instinct that lector has, imagination and more. very interesting psychologically. very deep.
They're supposed to be precise opposites. Will was able to catch him because of the one thing that defines him and the *lack* of that one thing is what defines Hannibal. Empathy in the absolute extreme.
I dunno. Aa much as I love Michael Mann, once the more Gothic look of the world Hannibal lives in was established in Silence..... I don't buy Mann's vision. That's ok though. It was one of his first features and the lessons he learned from it helped with his more celebrated later work like Heat. It was a good movie overshadowed by a later interpretation of the same story.
Will was too engrossed into the behavior to realize how much Hannibal was hunting him , Dr. knew that Will had problems also and Lecture wanted to help Will find himself. Will was in denial, which is why he ended up in an institution
I know it's almost certainly because his was the first portrayal of Lecter--or "Lecktor", as it's spelled--I ever saw, but I enjoyed Brian Cox's interpretation in Manhunter every bit as much as Hopkins' in Red Dragon.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I liked this film more than Manhunter. After watching the theatricality Silence of the Lambs I guess I just found it a little too down to earth. To put it another way Manhunter felt like an episode of Miami Vice.
Inalways thought Levtor looked more disapointed and suprised by the lameness of the "you're insane" answer than upset by it. Like he expected better of Will. I think Lector is disapointed when he attempts to have a dialogue with Will and Clarice and they dont reciprocate. Because he really does enjoy the conversation and the game of it.
Funny how in the show the whole Layman conversation is actually between Jack Crawford and Hannibal instead before he “hires” him as Will’s psychiatrist.
We all know that the poster of the movie "Silence of the Lambs" shows a butterfly with the image of a skull embossed on its back, but few people have noticed that this skull itself is composed of the image of three women.
Lol at anyone considering Manhunter overrated while wanking this film. Don't get me wrong, Red Dragon isn't bad but Brett Ratner is an absolute hack compared to Michael Mann. There's a hundred things Manhunter did better, like having Dollarhyde look like in the book and not a husbando for fangirls. Or using Lecter wisely on smaller dozes instead of spammimg him and making the film about him. Heck, it's the opposite of overrated, it was grossly underappreciated in it's time. William Petersen, Tom Noonan and Brian Cox all give fascinating and engaging performances that sell you these characters as humans as opposed to the cheesy exaggerrations in this remake. I read the book just a week ago and I can honestly say without a doubt that Manhunter is the superior adaptation AND movie. I respect your opinions though, not everyone has the patience for smarter films.
@@epichal4883 *wanking over this film. You can't "wank" a film but you CAN wank over it. Like Miggs, he wanked over Starling but he did not "wank" her. ;)
It is very similar to Manhunter. There are a few lines missing like "I believe there's a sail boat on the bottle" when referring to the aftershave or Lecter asking for his personal number to update him with notes on the case.
The ”then, by implication, you think...” is identical in the book, as far as I can remember. I think the entire scene follows the book very closely. But I haven't read it in ages.
In watching this film and their relation I realize that Clarice isn't really a very interesting person, though believable and in a very interesting situation. And of course, Lambs is a great film. But Will is a more interesting character than Clarice,
lemon ste season 4 can still happen and if it happens they will adapt Silence of the Lambs storyline so it is still possible to see Clarice in Hannibal.
Well, to be honest, I'm not sure in what sense I can agree to that. In the books I don't think that Will was more interesting than Clarice; in both cases the killer was the more fascinating character. I think that Red Dragon was a better book than SoTL; but SoTL was a vastly better movie than Red Dragon. I think that Jodie Foster and Hopkins both did better jobs in SoTL, than Norton and Hopkins in Red Dragon. On the other hand, I think that Mikkelsen and Dancy had far more intriguing dynamics both individually and interactively in the series, than the characters in any of the movies managed to have. Dancy was a phenomenal Will Graham in my opinion, and that *made* the character become much interesting, than in Red Dragon or Manhunter. BTW: I personally like Manhunter more than Red Dragon, though they are very different movies, I just think that Manhunter was more eerie: it feels like the inside of Dolarhydes mind..
55 people with no idea what great chemistry in a movie is disliked this video
5 лет назад+1
I know Will is a superhero, but I bet my pants that he wouldn't be so tough IRL to say "you're insane" for someone like Lecter... not even if Lecter were imprisoned like this! :P
Don’t really get how you can mix up charm for intelligence in this Hannibal. They didn’t really hit the ”charm-button” with him, though in reality they may seem that way, and alot more normal usually. But not only because of intelligence, charm almost always work with people, doesn’t take intelligence to know that and neither to act that way. Though the Hannibal character is very intelligent ofcourse.
Tonya Threadgill Watch The begin movie Hannibal Rising. His childhood was very tragic. Russians slaughter his parents and cooked his little sister and forced him eat her flesh too.
I'm sorry. I just can't take Edward Norton seriously in this movie. He just seems so freaking bland! His lines are delivered in almost monotone. And his head and neck are the exact same width and that BOTHERS me. Looking at him is like I'm looking at one of those wacky waving inflatable balloon man things and I keep expecting him to wobble and flail around like one.
I find him sad and deliberately inexpressive, a man who's a prisoner of himself, of what he feels and sees. If he bothers you, then perhaps that's an indication that his acting is on point, and perhaps "bland" is not the word you're looking for. Just a thought.
I never said 'he' bothers me. I said his NECK being the same WIDTH as his HEAD bothers me. He's like a pencil with shoulders! I'd love to look at him and see 'damaged and withdrawn Will Graham' but all I see is pencil-head Edward Norton giving stilted lines and it makes me giggle. I'm not claiming to be an expert or critic. If you like him in this movie, that's great! There's a lot to love about this movie. I, personally, just don't find Edward Norton particularly inspiring in this role. (I still like to re-watch the movie though)
Hasfast Agreed. Will Graham's "gift" is that he can think like a psychopath and thus he can catch them. This scares the ever-livin' shit out of him so he's forcing himself to suppress his emotions lest he end up acting like a psychopath. In this scene Will is especially scared of Hannibal (who almost disemboweled him) but is forcing himself not to show it,.
I thought it was only me, but damn, William Petersen played it so much better in Manhunter. And I really like Norton a lot, but here, it's nowhere near Peterson's performance. To be honest, even Lecter's character is less convincing than one played by Brian Cox. I think it's just great direction by Michael Mann.
Did Chilton get decorators in specially to make Lecter's corridor look like a dungeon? Lecter's cell in Manhunter is much closer to the description in the book.
You can tell he's both surprised and a little insulted by being called insane
Cant blame him really. Most people mistake serial killers or psychopaths for being insane. And while some are delusional in addition to the previous two, it is horrifying when you learn they are far from delusional.
Knowing people like Dahmer or Ed Gein we all too often look at them as being like us with the addition of insanity.
But it is so much scarier when you realize the vast majority like Ted Bundy, HH Holmes and so many others Hannibal is based on, are actually just glass people missing vital parta of what makes us Human. Seeing true psychopathy on documentarys like an Ed Kemper is truly frightening.
@@jadefire2817 o man no! That sounds awesome, im gonna try and look that up now. Hes a very interesting one, i really like how much Last Podcast on the Left points out things he says. It hilights the little phrases and ticks that show you you arent talking to a normal human despite how jovial and charming he seems.
Like when he explains his first hitchiker kills and says "she ended up screaming and got her throat slit"........which sounds a lil odd but once you realize hes displaying the inner logic he tries to hide, that he distances himself and acts like he wasnt the one doing this stuff, that it was happenstance is very disturbing
+stephen Toth Exactly! Kemper really makes me wonder what they would actually "class" him as, because when he talks about murdering his mother, he cries, and shows genuine sorrow over the whole thing. I mean , he's obviously of genius intelligence, but his emotional affect is nearly constantly flat. And you just cannot underestimate the shock of seeing how *HUGE* he is physically.............it's stunning.
@@jadefire2817 Yeh the pictures they have of him walking in cuffs with the officers who brought him back to Santa Cruz is insane. He towers over everyone easily.
I love the rookie cops quote saying "and then Ed got out. Got out. Then got out of his car".
It really all makes sense once you know his mother and him when he was a kid, then seeing how huge he grew also. Hes a very straightforward one IMO, in all seriousness the textbook case, as the book was written about him and few others in reality. Hes a huge child who was never shown love from his mother in a giant mans body. Just knowing the stories of how his mother would send him down under the table into that crawlspace because she feared hed rape his sisters you really quickly understand who he is.
And its strangely identical just smaller scale when he grew up.
+stephen Toth And yet there are those who say John Douglas is completely wrong in his assessment of the "why" Ed was the way he was, saying he was born evil , and that his mother had nothing to do with it. That he would have been that way regardless. I don't believe in the theory that psychopaths are "born", or at least, not in the strictest sense. Even in Thomas Harris' books , Hannibal "became" what he was because of the horrors that were perpetuated on him in war. Although that's fiction of course, I think it still applies to the real world.
Hopkins acting in these films is the finest and most convincing I’ve ever seen. Absolutely incredible - the absolute perfect person for this role.
What about Mads Mikkelsen?
"You're Insane."
I remember being in the theater and everyone laughed at that line.
It felt like a student smart-mouthing a teacher.
In particular, that old VERY stern, hard teacher that would give you detention for showing up to class 3 minutes late.
That line is in the book - as well as 'Manhunter'.
When Will called him insane .........
..... He felt that.
I felt Hannibal leaned a little bit too much into his aftershave. It’s like, “OK Lecter, it’s a bad aftershave. Yet you made three or four comments about it. You’re supposed to be some scary guy, but you’re main ammunition is AFTERSHAVE.”
I was waiting for him to: “there no need for rudeness.”
He's not smarter than Hannibal, but he's smarter than Hannibal thought, and Hannibal, being a thrill seeker, took one risk too many. They worked closely together to catch the murderer of Hannibal's victims. That's one hell of a risk to take, but Hannibal's arrogance and general superiority in relation to most people made him think he could get away with, and get one hell of a thrill in the process. But he misjudged Will, and perhaps not even by much - being a thrill seeker means being close to the edge. That's how Will caught him. Not Will's lame ”you're insane” explanation.
Unless being such a thrill seeker is part of Dr. Lecters' insanity, which it is.
Darius Sabat It most definitely is. Lector definitely has a penchant for theatrics. Most of his kills are done with almost operatic conduction and showmanship, especially the way he takes a moment occasionally to sit enjoy the chaos he just orchestrated.
Which is what he meant by insane. As in your insanity led to your actions, which led to overconfidence. Not that complicated. Things are rarely black and white and you honestly shouldn't have to explain that
Will's answer wasn't a "lame explanation".
It was him being a smartass to the man who tried to gut him.
MrImastinker, yes but it's out of character of Will to treat Hannibal that way, I don't think it quite fits. I don't expect Will to go into a lengthy explanation, just something more serious.
I could listen to Hannibal all day.
Just make sure you are respectful and polite. Hannibal prefers to dine on the rude.
Just make sure that you are not on his menu.
💯
A little late, but Hannibal the cannibal never gets old does he?
Must be all that red meat in his diet.
He apparently ages in reverse like Benjamin Button.
yass
Black don't crack?!
@CYB3R2K30 Nah, I've recently read somewhere that they used a computer programme on Hopkins to make him look younger.
The 17 dislikes are probably wearing the same atrocious aftershave
good one mate
It's a christmas special ...
No it's just a terrible film with really good actors that are put there to make it seem great but is terrible the original film with the different title was better and I still think it holds up better than this shit which was cashing in on the whole Hannibal thing.
They're just in a disadvantege
@@petermeszaros5583 Right ... that made no sense at all ...
Even though it's hidden well, you can see that Will is still terrified of Lecter. After this scene he takes off his jacket to reveal armpit stains which shows just that even though there is a bulletproof glass cage protecting him, Lecter still scares the hell out of Will.
Anyone would be scared to death of Lecter, regardless if he's in a cage with a bulletproof glass door protecting you from him.
I dont think he scares him, but makes him feel nervous...
You would have to very stupid not to afraid of that man.
Clarice starling was the only one who wasn't scared.
@@brh7169 I think she was scared, she not dumb. But she was braver than she was scared.
@@lizanna6390I disagree, if you see the first scene of red dragon, Doctor Lecter says exactly this but to Will. He says he's reeks of fear but he's not a coward. But to Clarice he sees she's not afraid, he insulted her and her answer was telling him he is afraid to look at himself, in the end Hannibal is impressed and recognized she's very ambitious.
That little eye twitch when he asks "what disadvantages?"
Superb acting
Hopkins flawless as always, smooth like glass, but with that ever present terrible undercurrent of danger. Norton , plays Will as almost more inside his own head, and yet the characters of Lecter and Graham just bounce the scene off of one another in a perfect mental tennis match.
Lector hates it when people call him insane or tries to label him. It's one of the main reasons he hates Chilton because Chilton knows this and constantly labels him a psychopath in psychological profiles and journals.
But a census taker tried to interview Lecter.. and he ended up became a dinner.
No, he genuinely hates Chilton , because Chilton fancies himself some sort of psychiatric doctoral genius, and for lack of any other way to put it, is a douche. It was once said that Hannibal only dined on the "rude", to which I think he fully applies to Chilton.
I had always loved Anthony Hopkins as Lecter, and still do. However, there’s an element that Mads Mikkelson brings to the character that I can’t quite identify which puts his Lecter over the top. In my opinion, of course...
He doesn't play him nuts. Relaxed and at ease.
King David
I think they both do, but Hopkins’ Lecter has bursts of insanity laced with violence, whereas Mikkelson’s shows sanity consistently even through his most violent actions.
Hopkins has animalistic bursts, but Mikkelson has an almost futuristic super predator at all times (though he almost always disguises it in his man suit).
I get ya though, and mostly agree!
At least to me, Mads always felt untrustworthy when he talked with people, he always seemed to be sizing someone up as prey.
Hopkins has a jovial disposition. With the right people.
Steve A never thought of it like that, could that categorise some other killers?, I mean lecter went for the weak or weaker predators right?, bullies look for weakness etc.
This movie scares me more than the original, I dunno why , maybe because he’s in a box for most of the first movie and even when he kills he’s still trapped for most of it, 🤷♀️...or maybe he’s playing lector better
Mads brought a more physical element to Lecter. The way he looks around, the way he smells, the way he moves.
When his Lecter is interacting with normal people, he just oozes class. At the same time his mannerisms only ever betray his true nature for microseconds.
When it's time for him to kill, suddenly his smile drops, his stance changes, and then he dials his speed to a superhuman level. It's moments like that when he looks more like a hungry wolf.
It's easier to see that aspect when he fights Tobias, or when he corners Beverly Katz snooping around in his basement.
''If you recall Will our last collaboration ended rather messily''
Oh yeah, like you stabbed me and I stabbed and shot you, yeah, I remember... xD
good times will
The Best of Times Lecter
Oh Those were the days eh big heccy leccy.
Lol 😆 😂🤣
1:54 "Dr. Chilton... Gruesome isn't he? He fumbles at your head like a freshmen pulling at a panty girdle." xD hahaha that line was hilarious
He also when he escaped left a note behind with chiltons name. He put chemical numbers in the lettters which align up to the atomic numbers for shit
@@lucianfrostbane ?????
@@donnn-sg4mk in the book for silence of the lambs
@@lucianfrostbane oh right?? Thanks for info. Never read the book.
@@lucianfrostbane ttrfzzztz
I like how the intro of this scene parallels when Starling first goes to see Lecter in Silence of the Lambs. Only difference being Lecter is on the bed when Graham comes, and Lecter is standing up waiting for Clarice in TSoTL.
notice they added a circular staircase going up, at the end of the hallway. In Silence of the Lambs it was just a flat brick wall.
@finc4164 the circular staircase next to Lecter's cell is present in Silence, it's not just a brick wall.
I love that the screen crack matched right up when Lecter got burned.
I actually prefer the version of this scene from Manhunter. Lecter seems more genuinely more cordial and pleasant. To begin with. Makes it harder to remember how much of a monster he is. Hopkin's Lecter is amazing, but maybe too creepy all the time.
I much prefer this to manhunter. The actor in manhunter isn't on the same level as Hopkins in my book.
I really didn't find Cox's "Lecktor" cordial. I thought he acted like he held everyone, including Graham, in open contempt. His smarmy and insincere "thank you so much. I'll call you when I'm finished" when the guard brings him a phone, supposedly to call his lawyer, is a great example imho. You just knew he was thinking, threaten to mace me in the face? If you only knew what I'd do to you if I could, you'd never have another peaceful night's sleep again.
I did prefer the part in Manhunter where Cox's version questioned Graham, he was a lot more snappy than Hopkins
@@DarthRushy The entire Manhunter movie is sooooooooooooooooo much better than Red Dragon.
The problem with the Manhunter scene is it felt rushed, dialogue was past around so quickly. I don’t rate Michael Mann as a director.
"you're insane.."
*MIC DROP*
You dropped the mic, Will, but here you are having to come back and pick it up again (c) TV series' Hannibal
I love Red Dragon, before this was made I wanted a Silence of the Lambs prequel so badly. I wanted to see how Hannibal ended up in that Baltimore facility, and who put him there. This movie answered my questions and it was needed.
That cracking glass effect the Fear channel uses was such a perfect end for this clip. As Dr. Lecter's face was surely Cracked with his response, "You're insane." LMAO! 🤣🤣🤣☠
2:44 the flutter of his eyes when he asks “what disadvantages?“ brilliant, conveyance, momentary, vulnerability, and then snapping right back into narcissistic psychopathy. My favorite scene.
“You’re insane.”
Glass breaks
It's almost like Graham said "even to a layman" on purpose. He knew how to "get" Lecter to talk.
Jaded as Will was, he knew enough about Dr. Lecter to push his buttons. Not many people could ever do that.
“And how is young Josh and the lovely Molly? They’re always in my thoughts you know”😵
Will didn't want to say Lecter was insane. He would have left it at "disadvantages", because he prefers to avoid getting into any kind of verbal sparring with Lecter. But he realized Lecter wouldn't let it go. So he told him he was insane, knowing how much he'd hate to hear it. In the books, Will answers the question with "Passion. And you're insane." I think this version works better. More impactful.
Lecter really truly wanted to know because he himself did not completely know, and then to be struck with a truth so simple and obvious he was visably for a moment truly fractured by it
Acting opposite Anthony as Lecter would be quite nervewracking experience
Hannibal would make a good bedtime story reader even though you would get nightmares afterwards.
Hopkins plays that part perfect! The way he refers to Dr Chilton is priceless! Lmao.....gruesome isn't he...basically saying Chilton is a complete idiot and he can't stand him
He's one awesome actor his voice and his way of looks He's got its criminal real calm
It's amazing how different these lines sound in the tv show.
1:09 one of the very few times you see Anthony Hopkins blink his eyes in his three Lecter performances. He almost never blinks.
Damn this movie was amazing
All three movies of the Hannibal trilogy are great. I thoroughly enjoy them all.
Hannible: what disadvantages
Agent: your... Your insane
Anthony Hopkins is so spooky as Hannibal.
That glass cracking at the end when will tells Hannibal hes isnane is priceless lmfao!
Fine actors. Very good scary movie.
Sad for hannibal. Almost wish he got cured!
Hopkins is like a snake.. a cobra! The eyes!
"I caught you because you stabbed me and then I shot you.
It only turned out much later that you were the Cannibal I was looking for."
Should've said that. Would've implied that Lecter got himself caught, in a way.
Lecter wouldn't have felt he had to kill Graham, though, and wouldn't have been shot if Graham hadn't been clever enough to tumble to the fact that he was the very same person they were looking for.
Naught on , Ed. Is a great actor too.
Lol the glass breaking at the end was actually perfectly timed
"You're insane" - It's obviously true, the compulsions to kill others, to put oneself at risk, is a disadvantage.
Prefer this over Silence Of The Lambs, fight me.
THE CRACKED GLASS MADE ME LAUGH.
the most chilling part is how lecter tells will that it was no accident he caught him. that in his mind is the same predatory instinct that lector has, imagination and more. very interesting psychologically. very deep.
They're supposed to be precise opposites. Will was able to catch him because of the one thing that defines him and the *lack* of that one thing is what defines Hannibal. Empathy in the absolute extreme.
the best part of that scene is the part you cut short. his reaction to that line. WTF?!
Tyler Durden and Hannibal in the same room
Very good movie underrated !
Manhunter does this scene so much better. Ratner is the Chilton of directing.
I dunno. Aa much as I love Michael Mann, once the more Gothic look of the world Hannibal lives in was established in Silence..... I don't buy Mann's vision. That's ok though. It was one of his first features and the lessons he learned from it helped with his more celebrated later work like Heat. It was a good movie overshadowed by a later interpretation of the same story.
Lectern (the character) desperately wants Will to be some genius, or at least an idiot-savant, to soothe his own ego.
Melhores filmes que eu já vi ,melhor ator na minha opinião!
Great film and great acting.l
Will was too engrossed into the behavior to realize how much Hannibal was hunting him , Dr. knew that Will had problems also and Lecture wanted to help Will find himself. Will was in denial, which is why he ended up in an institution
Telling lector he's insane is probably not the best strategy if you want a win lol 🤔😅
I think the "you're insane" line is the one, single time lecter got owned...
Excellent acting and script
I burst out laughing at the end of this vid lol! "You had disadvantages" "What disadvantages?" "Your insane" Glass breaks 😂😂😂😂😂
His line broke the burn meter.
Man hunter was great
I know it's almost certainly because his was the first portrayal of Lecter--or "Lecktor", as it's spelled--I ever saw, but I enjoyed Brian Cox's interpretation in Manhunter every bit as much as Hopkins' in Red Dragon.
"You're insane" is neither insult or smart mouthing. It is simple statement of truth.
I know it’s an unpopular opinion but I liked this film more than Manhunter. After watching the theatricality Silence of the Lambs I guess I just found it a little too down to earth. To put it another way Manhunter felt like an episode of Miami Vice.
Inalways thought Levtor looked more disapointed and suprised by the lameness of the "you're insane" answer than upset by it. Like he expected better of Will. I think Lector is disapointed when he attempts to have a dialogue with Will and Clarice and they dont reciprocate. Because he really does enjoy the conversation and the game of it.
ed norton is such a good juxtaposition
Doctor Hannibal Lector in prison like a dog in his own cage. This is maybe one of the world famous film of cannibalismus.
Funny how in the show the whole Layman conversation is actually between Jack Crawford and Hannibal instead before he “hires” him as Will’s psychiatrist.
Whose manipulating who? Lecter being far more intelligent, probably him. Even if he appears beaten its probably bc hes setting a move 5 steps away.
We all know that the poster of the movie "Silence of the Lambs" shows a butterfly with the image of a skull embossed on its back, but few people have noticed that this skull itself is composed of the image of three women.
I love your channel. Keep up the good work
"Did you get my card?"
According to the novel, Will promptly took the card outside and burned it without opening it first.
Will: Your insane
Hannibal: Say it again, say that to my fricking face!
I guess Miggs was not in next cell at that time yet? :D
"Not any more..." ;)
I liked "Red Dragon" better than "Manhunter"!
I have seen manhunter 1 h ago. Youre right. Its highly overrated👌
They're both really good I actually can't choose which Hannibal I like more
Lol at anyone considering Manhunter overrated while wanking this film. Don't get me wrong, Red Dragon isn't bad but Brett Ratner is an absolute hack compared to Michael Mann. There's a hundred things Manhunter did better, like having Dollarhyde look like in the book and not a husbando for fangirls. Or using Lecter wisely on smaller dozes instead of spammimg him and making the film about him.
Heck, it's the opposite of overrated, it was grossly underappreciated in it's time. William Petersen, Tom Noonan and Brian Cox all give fascinating and engaging performances that sell you these characters as humans as opposed to the cheesy exaggerrations in this remake. I read the book just a week ago and I can honestly say without a doubt that Manhunter is the superior adaptation AND movie. I respect your opinions though, not everyone has the patience for smarter films.
@@epichal4883 *wanking over this film. You can't "wank" a film but you CAN wank over it. Like Miggs, he wanked over Starling but he did not "wank" her. ;)
It is the exact same dialogue from Manhunter?Or is exactly like that in the book?
Red Dragon is basically Manhunter, just with Anthony Hopkins' Hannibal in it.
It is very similar to Manhunter. There are a few lines missing like "I believe there's a sail boat on the bottle" when referring to the aftershave or Lecter asking for his personal number to update him with notes on the case.
Theres some vids comparing Red Dragon to Manhunter on YT. You should definately check them out ;)
I think the main difference is Hannibal was much more potent in Red Dragon.
In Manhunter (played by Brian Cox) he was much more mysterious.
The ”then, by implication, you think...” is identical in the book, as far as I can remember. I think the entire scene follows the book very closely. But I haven't read it in ages.
I like Manhunter but now that I see Anthony Hopkins in it. I wanna see Red Dragon.
The way he describes Chilton, what a roast (pun intended)
1:58 they took the same line in the series! Except Chilton is the one to say it
In watching this film and their relation I realize that Clarice isn't really a very interesting person, though believable and in a very interesting situation. And of course, Lambs is a great film. But Will is a more interesting character than Clarice,
xyhmo Thank you finally someone said it
Even so, Silence of Lambs is a far better film.
Which is why the TV show Hannibal focuses on will and she doesn't exist as a character haha. Closest we get to Clarice is his therapist bedellia.
lemon ste season 4 can still happen and if it happens they will adapt Silence of the Lambs storyline so it is still possible to see Clarice in Hannibal.
Well, to be honest, I'm not sure in what sense I can agree to that.
In the books I don't think that Will was more interesting than Clarice; in both cases the killer was the more fascinating character. I think that Red Dragon was a better book than SoTL; but SoTL was a vastly better movie than Red Dragon. I think that Jodie Foster and Hopkins both did better jobs in SoTL, than Norton and Hopkins in Red Dragon.
On the other hand, I think that Mikkelsen and Dancy had far more intriguing dynamics both individually and interactively in the series, than the characters in any of the movies managed to have. Dancy was a phenomenal Will Graham in my opinion, and that *made* the character become much interesting, than in Red Dragon or Manhunter.
BTW: I personally like Manhunter more than Red Dragon, though they are very different movies, I just think that Manhunter was more eerie: it feels like the inside of Dolarhydes mind..
Epic win. Well posted agent starling.
55 people with no idea what great chemistry in a movie is disliked this video
I know Will is a superhero, but I bet my pants that he wouldn't be so tough IRL to say "you're insane" for someone like Lecter... not even if Lecter were imprisoned like this! :P
Id be awesome2 have a sequel Movie with Both Will Graham and Clarice Starling
Doctor Lecter ... Doctor Lecter ... Doctor Lecter ... Doctor Lecter ...
Come on Dr Lecter... Everybody knows what old spice smells like... Hardly genius level deductions... Lol
"ur insane"
hannibal: *cracks
Love the cast the silence of the lambs
It’s interesting. The line was, “Passion. And you’re insane.” I wonder why they changed it
The look on his face when will called him insane - it never crossed his mind he just likes eating people 😳
The original Manhunter version of this scene is so much better.
Ps. Had a professor call one of my essays 'interesting'... Same upright response! Lol
"Hello Will..."
Love Hannibal lecter don't know why he a cannibal but dangerously charming. Lol
It's not charm it's intelligence, the whole FBI feasted on the very people they were looking for.
Don’t really get how you can mix up charm for intelligence in this Hannibal. They didn’t really hit the ”charm-button” with him, though in reality they may seem that way, and alot more normal usually.
But not only because of intelligence, charm almost always work with people, doesn’t take intelligence to know that and neither to act that way.
Though the Hannibal character is very intelligent ofcourse.
Psychopaths are well known to have superficial charm, Hannibal makes full use of it.
that he does, that he does. Yes they all do have a certain way of charming people.
Tonya Threadgill Watch The begin movie Hannibal Rising. His childhood was very tragic. Russians slaughter his parents and cooked his little sister and forced him eat her flesh too.
“Christmas! Yes...”
"Did you get my card?'
Nope .
Why Damon ?
It's because the helper ,
may feel the need,
to remind you of the favor,
& lock you into a debt.
" You now owe him one."
I'm sorry. I just can't take Edward Norton seriously in this movie. He just seems so freaking bland! His lines are delivered in almost monotone. And his head and neck are the exact same width and that BOTHERS me. Looking at him is like I'm looking at one of those wacky waving inflatable balloon man things and I keep expecting him to wobble and flail around like one.
I always find him bland
I find him sad and deliberately inexpressive, a man who's a prisoner of himself, of what he feels and sees. If he bothers you, then perhaps that's an indication that his acting is on point, and perhaps "bland" is not the word you're looking for. Just a thought.
I never said 'he' bothers me. I said his NECK being the same WIDTH as his HEAD bothers me. He's like a pencil with shoulders! I'd love to look at him and see 'damaged and withdrawn Will Graham' but all I see is pencil-head Edward Norton giving stilted lines and it makes me giggle.
I'm not claiming to be an expert or critic. If you like him in this movie, that's great! There's a lot to love about this movie. I, personally, just don't find Edward Norton particularly inspiring in this role. (I still like to re-watch the movie though)
Hasfast Agreed. Will Graham's "gift" is that he can think like a psychopath and thus he can catch them. This scares the ever-livin' shit out of him so he's forcing himself to suppress his emotions lest he end up acting like a psychopath. In this scene Will is especially scared of Hannibal (who almost disemboweled him) but is forcing himself not to show it,.
I thought it was only me, but damn, William Petersen played it so much better in Manhunter. And I really like Norton a lot, but here, it's nowhere near Peterson's performance. To be honest, even Lecter's character is less convincing than one played by Brian Cox. I think it's just great direction by Michael Mann.
35 people had 'disadvantages' too..🤔🤔
“I thought you might enjoy he challenge, find out if you’re smarter than Bourn.. er the person I’m looking for.”
As much as I love this movie, this scene was done so much better in Manhunter.
Did Chilton get decorators in specially to make Lecter's corridor look like a dungeon? Lecter's cell in Manhunter is much closer to the description in the book.