Satan's Summer Christmas Special | Armoured Skeptic Rabbit Hole
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*please* turn down Greg a bit in future uploads, it's tough to listen to him being so loud and then Jake being so quiet.
I generally run a compressor on my audio unless I'm playing /working-on music. It's still a wide margin with compression, but there are browser plugins for compression and leveling.
With two aggressive compressors running in series, I'm getting a decent equalization of the levels on this vid.
I’ve been commenting this on multiple other of these videos reacting to Greg, but he never changed it 🫠
Was literally gonna say this too. The volume disparity is waaaay too much.
It's weird that he's on the "Wicca is an ancient tradition" thing... Gerald Gardner made most of that up in the 1950s. There are things that are loosely based on the mythology of the British Isles but it's not like some kind of unbroken mystery tradition the way he claimed.
I noticed that too. It seems he does that with a lot of old traditions that come from an older tradition and thereon and doesn’t recognize that different cultures surrounding each other had there on takes on things at the same time even if there wasn’t any written historical records documenting from the very beginning of a tradition to modern times. Not everything has to be an old “ancient” conspiracy.
@@hunni2968 The Holly King, Oak King and Golden Goddess are from the poet Robert Graves, he made up a bunch of stuff about mythology, basically trying to do exactly what Armoured Skeptic is doing here and link all mythology across Europe as having one source. He wrote a series of essays the he later compiled into a book called the White Goddess, this goddess (that AS even name checks a little after the two kings bit) was his proposed protomyth, he inserted a lot of his own beliefs into it. Unsurprisingly, he was panned by the academic community for it. Unfortunately a lot of the nonsense he invented slipped into "accepted history" particularly for casual fans of ancient history, the New Age movement and neopagans; people who didn't know much about the subjects read his book, loved it, went on to write more books citing his work who were then cited by more books and on and on. The perfect example of this is the reviews for the White Goddess on Amazon; 5* reviews always start with "I didn't know the first thing about mythology before reading this amazing book..." and all the 1* reviews are pretty much "I know a lot about mythology/have a degree in X and this book is full of crap."
Right? Like, modern wicca/pagan groups are very self-aware that this is all a recreation now.
Highly recommend the ADF, a liberal druidic org.
We/they do the same generalized rites, but they're switched to a new set of pagan deities every 3-6 months. Makes it a lot of fun and let's you get into the historical lore from a very educational angle.
@@yilesse Wow, I had no idea! Thanks for letting me know ☺️ I think I’ll have to look into this too
@@yilesseAt the start of reading this I was actually totally on board, thinking he like made it as a fictional novel theorizing what a potential proto religion might have looked like based on our current knowledge of past (and present) religions. Feels bad that he went all Ron Hubbard with it, I was genuinely interested.
I love greg so much, he goes from a fairly reasonable analysis of the Christmas carol being a piece of propaganda and we end up at 'did you know the oldest letter is pronounced wo, because that's what people said when they saw the green man/jesus/odin in the sky'
“Rudolph is actually Odin” is one hell of a take
♫ Odin the one-eyed old-god ♫
Hey! It works!
He does realise that Santa was red because Coke wanted to use it for their adverts and changed his colours to red. So.... no red v green lore.
“Christmas hasn’t always been celebrated the same way.” Pretty weak ArmouredSkeptic rating, this is actually true.
“This even more recent myth is a basis for British Isle’s Green Man legends.” Getting warmer, we know he’s got some strange ideas about the Green Man but you might have to know something about history to realize how much bs he's spreading. (Thanks yilesse for pointing out the Robert Graves origin of the Oak/Holly Kings where I was reading the comments.)
“Santa is a sign of the end times.” THERE WE GO WE MADE IT FRIENDS IT’S ALL GONNA BE WEIRD FROM HERE!!
It was so strange for him to manage to be factual for multiple minutes, I was getting worried.
As someone who enjoys reading about correlations and comparisons in mythology; ArmoredSkeptics whole process really annoys me
Me too. I still cannot get over the time in another video he says Mary Magdalene’s name was Mary because she was “married” to Jesus (whose mothers name is also Mary) because the Bible was definitely written in English or the time he was astounded by how the Roman’s crucified Jesus exactly the way it’s written in the Bible…because they didn’t at all contribute to writing it. 🤷🏽♀️
Using words like “process” might be overly charitable. It’s all free association.
@@KropotheadIt's throwing darts at a barn and missing so hard they land on the moon.
But the theme of A Christmas Carol is not really about Christmas, it's about being kind and charitable throughout the year & throughout one's life - Christmas is when the wealth disparity is most noticeable, so that's a big reason why it's set then. The takeaway of the novella is literally stated at the end.
Yep he absolutely butchered Scrooges story and ignored the lifetimes actions of destroying everyone around him, robbing his partner out of his share of the business, keeping his staff on starvation wages and generally enjoying being an ahole to everyone for no good reason and instead just says "his real crime was not being nice at christmas.
It is one of those moments where his analysis really shows itself for how shallow it has to be in order to reach the conclusions he is trying to get to, because this pattern shows itself throughout his history is a lie series which is what initially made me think it was a fun challenge for viewers to engage with as the sceptics and poke holes and take the theories apart.
The thing is, when you look at the comment sections the people that tried to argue against his videos got piled on by both the other viewers and by Greg himself, and the people that praised him got affirmed by Greg.
I kept waiting for him to take the mask off and begin debunking his own theories but it never came, instead he began to get a whole new audience including an alarming amount of self professed christians who swallowed his theories up wholesale and people like me started backing out of the room.
@@ninjalokust but he doesn't believe in this stuff, right? /s
"It was the Yuletide, that men call Christmas though they know in their hearts it is older than Bethlehem and Babylon, older than Memphis and mankind." H.P. Lovecraft
The Festival. One of HPL’s more accessible stories, great read.
33:52 This is why Greg doesn't do essays about things that actually exist.
2:22 - What the fuck? In the Middle Ages, Christmas often spanned a full 10-14 days of continuous celebration, and was _incredibly_ significant to the peasantry.
On top of that, Santa Claus himself was essentially inducted into Christianity at gunpoint in the mid-to-late medieval period, because various existing cultural figures with a similar bent had amalgamated within the Catholic concept of St. Nicholas in the eastern regions of Christendom. What resulted was that significant chunks of nominally Christian populations were so down with Santa that when Church representatives tried to push back against him sharing the stage with Jesus during Christmas, it provoked such severe backlash that the Church had no choice but to cave.
(This is also why the Puritans hated Christmas; they saw the Vatican's failure to stomp out this obvious heathenry as a horrible sin which had corrupted the entire holiday.)
When he makes the comment about how the claymation Rudolph was true to life at that time, the first thing I personally thought of was that he was revealing a feature of his personal history. Even though I'm pretty sure he is too young to have been born when that movie was on television, I know that people younger than myself often had it introduce to them as one of the many Christmas movies that were traditional from generations like mine or those earlier than me. It makes me wonder if what he's really saying is that when he first part took of that particular story version, he was dealing with social isolation and exclusion himself and sees it as an analogous expression to the life he feels he's led... That is, catching shit for the things that were special about him up until his special feature became a necessity for the world. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that he was a really nerdy little kid that was obsessed with things like dinosaur books and whatnot and got a lot of hard times delivered to him from his social peers because that's how kids are, but now that he's grown up and that same kind of informational obsession and curiosity is what drives his channel and content, that also is what's getting him whatever attention or kudos he's getting right now, so he's like Rudolph come to life lol
Greg's a couple years older than me and it was on TV at christmas when I was a kid. I live around Chicago though, so maybe out in the hinterland it's different.
@@adamp3223 So, I'm 40 and I remember the movie being on TV, But knowing that the movie came out in 1964, I would simply put myself in the camp of people who are aware of it because it had become a traditional movie from the generations before me. The reason why I find distinction there is because when it first hit the airwaves, I would expect that to have been a huge deal and a memorable life moment, simply because so many people felt a sentimental attachment to it after it's released that it is become a traditional sentimental thing. My point was more that the analogy to life thing essentially required the potency of sentimental value. I could totally be wrong about that though.
@@adamp3223 I come from Canada and this stuff is played on tv literally every year
8 reindeers would have 32 legs, not 8
Dear Jake, my cat also has that problem where he will eat too much and too fast and will throw up, then will just eat again.
Idk how to fix this, I’ve tried feeding him on a schedule, feeding him just wet food, feeding him just dry food, but nothing seems to work. He then will continuously walk around meowing like he is hungry.
He has gotten out (ran away) and been lost for two months before, and when we found him again he had lost a lot of weight, so idk if my cat has food insecurity or not and that’s why he does it. It’s just refreshing to know that someone else’s cat does this too.
Sorry, this doesn’t have anything to do with the video, just had to leave a comment when you mentioned this about your cat.
27:17 Ancient peggin tradititions
“Bow down, bow down, before the power of Santa. Or be crushed, be crushed, by his jolly boots of doom!”
So the day (green) man is the fighter of the night (red) man and is the champion of the sun
A little advice, do not try to work out which is good and bad because he uses them interchangeably under the excuse that the whoever wrote a story either knew the oldest traditions or was influenced by newer traditions. I believe he attempts to clear this up in a video that will be covered by Jake soon I assume spoiler incoming so stop reading here if you want to experience the madness for yourself.
My memory is that he is about to start talking about how Jesus is actually Satan, that Saturn is a really bad guy that people today still sacrifice young people to (hinting at something he talked about in the longer form podcast videos he made in tandem with these videos jake is covering, which is that he was raised in a cult of some sort, he was cagey about it and I wont go into more depth on that but its yikers implications). The Satan being the good guy thing is an old trope that has been thrown around a load and I can't boil that down very easily but it goes something along the lines of Jesus was in heaven challenging God in arguments about humanity (the prideful lucifer gods favorite son etc) and was cast down as a mortal, where he learned that both he and god were wrong and became our "champion", after dying he went to hell for three days and yadayada became the savior of mankind.
Greg has taken that story and removed all spiritual aspects and replaced them with "sciency" terms of God being plasma/energy. Which turns into God being the sun, the planet (or black unseen sun) orbiting into and out of the solar system is "saturn" (again don't question it, red evil sun gets mistaken for the plaent saturn which is then turned into a god or godesss of destruction by ancient types and then you have jesus/lucifer that is destroyed during the initial phases of the second sun arriving towards the actual sun and then is reborn as the green man aurora borealis.
Red bad, Green good, unless sometimes green bad red good because the story of this event passed down got the details mixed up and his issue with Santa in modern times is that his depiction was changed from greed to red which confuses this supposed...fuck it I am out I can't even with this just....nah im out
I dont want to do the whole armchair psych thing. However really intense need to seem special or smart while being really insecure almost always comes from intense levels of neglect. Greg isnt a full on chud snd his idea that he is spreading are slightly harmful, but mo where near other people we watch at times. Ill always feel pretty bad for him. I was very neglected so I know how it can hurt, but i went to therapy. i just wish Greg would see a psych and do some therapy because whenever he chokes up, I feel bad. But then whenever i see him wearing green im like "this guy thinks hes fcking jesus doesn't he??" I wish him the best ultimately.
He’s become Alex Jones without all the harassment of dead children baggage. We can all enjoy this and have fun.
I’m so fucking obsessed with these videos! 😭❤️
remember when shoeonhead and armored skeptic openly talked about their sub dom relationship? good times
Anyone who has listened to Reggie is unsurprised by Redman being the world-killing villain.
Not my beloved Satan Claws!
the Santa = Odin was done better by Jim Butcher in his Dresden series.
The Christkind in german Folklore is never depicted female and barely placed on top of trees, it's merely a juvenile Jesus or an angel that's decorating the room.
Or at least in my years of living here I never saw that happen.
Yeah, the Christkind is simply Baby Jesus. 50 years ago he was still the one who brought the presents in many households, like my mom. Now I think its the rare exception and we all switched to the "Weihnachtsmann". I never saw the Christkind on top of a tree and never depicted as female. In all the classic german christmas songs from the 19th century in which the Christkind is mentioned its simply Baby Jesus.
@@pi172Some of the (modern) depictions of the Christkind as some sort of angel arguably are female, the most famous one that would come to mind being the Nürnberger Christkind, a role played every year by a girl/woman between 16 and 19 years old. In general you're more likely to find the Christkind instead of "Weihnachtsmann" in Southern Germany these days, especially in Catholic areas, despite originally being a Protestant St. Nicholas replacement.
@@merobo5066 in traditional german folklore baby jesus is a completely genderless thing if you will. it was the basic conception of european culture for centuries to perceive babies and toddlers as as pretty genderless and the upperclass put their little kids into nice dresses, which looked just the same for boys and girls. i took a look at this Nürnberger Christkind: its a rather new tradition, from 1933 (oh no... dont look up how the market place was freshly renamed into...), to have a teenage girl/woman play the character. so if you wanna portray genderless baby jesus irl by an older person, it makes somewhat sense to pick a teenage girl. so i guess the Nürnberger Christkind is portrayed by a female, but its a new very local thing compares to all the old and new many depictions of Baby Jesus all over Germany.
The purring.
SANTA IS RED BECAUSE OF COCA-COLA. OH MY GOD, I WOULDN'T HAVE FALLEN FOR THIS AS A TEN-YEAR-OLD. I'm sorry for yelling, I just... it just hit me. This is so dumb. This is so childish and dumb.
"Hermes Transmegistus" Greg just accidentally created a way cooler character
Bring on the cornspiracy!
In all seriousness, here is an answer to your final question of whether he will be mad at you. If he was telling the truth and he started this series TO be debunked (by his audience) then what you are doing is what he asked for and he would be happy someone is finally taking the challenge up.
If he was lying about that as an excuse to start putting his beliefs out into the world in a way that was "safe" from criticism because he was deeply insecure about being judged by the world over it then he will hate you.
I have heard him say things on his other channel that confirm which is the answer in my opinion but I don't want to be accused of taking him out of context to poison the well so I will leave it to all of you.
Wait, so, did society create Krampus to raise the stakes for the naughty kids? Or did Santa actually bring Krampus along thus making Santa evil?
Que joey Lawrence "whoa"
41:39 hes not even a sphinx hes a griffon
I'm only at 53:33 but can we stop for a second because he's saying the eight (non-Rudolph) reindeer are meant to represent Odin's eight legged horse, but eight reindeer makes 32 legs. Like if it was meant to represent that then why not two reindeer pulling a sled? Four two-legged reindeer? Eight one-legged? Or just, ya know, one eight-legged reindeer? That'd be the best possible option for actually establishing a connection, and even then it'd be possible for it to be a coincidence.
Maybe I'm just too high for this shit but that really bothered me lol.
Wow, he really took a sharp left turn.
Greg is really far too loud compared to you Jake, and it’s been like that in all these videos of you watching him. It’d be nice if you could turn him down in the future.
>conflates hundreds of traditions across millennia and continents
>has to be all the same thing
>proceeds to get things incredibly wrong
>ignores the cultural streams that produced various contradictory Christmas stories and associated symbols
Man, this is all such a bunch of nonsense ad-hoc bullshit connections thrown together into a rough semblance of a narrative.
Instead of recognizing that the millennia of mysticism and references to mismatched ancient narratives in occult texts are just the same thing he is doing, he sees himself in the proud tradition of seekers of an ancient truth.
With absolutely no clue what the actual point of it may be.
Nah, man! Just one more Gnostic mystery and we'll find the answers! One more thing-that-kinda-looks-like-other-thing and it will all make sense!
Trust me, bro!
HER ME S TRANS MAGISTUS
I guess it's easier to spread misinformation about ancient cultures, but here he is spreading misinfo about how currently existing Central and East European cultures experience the holiday festivities, so it's way more jarring.
I've watched all these so far, but I had to stop this one around 10 minutes in. I just can't take any more of Greg. The smugness is killing me.
Santa's 8 reindeer ride 8 legged horses?
I’m pretty sure he has been taking down some of the videos of his you have covered recently
I can't stand Greg's phony narrator voice. It makes it impossible to take anything he says seriously. Just talk normal bro! 😂
He knows he has a decent voice and absolutely flcking RUINS it's value by coming on so thick. Like a damned freshman voice major.
Okay, the video is not over yet, and I don't usually comment and I'm about two months late, but anyway this bothers me. For f*cks sake! Saint Nicholas has NOTHING to do with the Christkind! The Christkind brings big and a lot of presents on the 24th, in the evening. Yes, in Germany, we get the presents a bit earlier. Saint Nicholas has his own special day. On December 6th we get small presents - like fruit, sweets, trinkets - from "Saint Nicholas". I remember one of my uncles once dressed up for the occasion and roleplayed as Saint Nicholas for us, which was fun. Krampus is like the evil companion of Saint Nicholas, who punishes the bad children.
Here in Germany - probably everywhere in Europe, really - we may associate the day of Christmas with either the Christkind (in more traditional/rural areas) or Santa (who we call "Weihnachtsmann", which translates to "Christmas man"). But neither of these figures has anything to do with Saint Nicholas, other than him and Santa both wearing red and white colors.
I just wanted to make clear that Saint Nicholas does not and never has brought presents for Christmas!
Ellie's beautiful purr! What a cleanse from Greg's BS! 😻
😂😂 lvl 20 Santa got me
And seen some shit santa 😂😂😂 actual tears thank you, first video I've seen, gonna have to watch more
let's see, you are in the 1800's or so, the heater is coal fueled, you are poor, you are cold, oh gee, the Santa gives you coal, how bad of him. more heat.
Jesus HUNG 😎 on the cross 😏