Honestly, props to the owner, she was super honest about his previous behavior and really got in there scrubbing and everything, she cares about her dog and she respected you and cared about your safety as a groomer
@@BeatlesOasisFan why so judgmental? Lots of people don’t have the time of resources to groom their dogs properly. Going to a groomer like Vanessa is a smart move.
That was a great idea using the watering can instead of the hose and having the owner come in to help. Having someone with your patience and understanding is exactly what he needs. Very well done, Vanessa!
Well, no, livestock guardian dogs were made to guard livestock. But I don't agree with the other commenter. Livestock guardian dogs still need a bath. @@BeautyMonster1000
Kindly don't make blanket statements like this. It's untrue. I've had / have Great Pyrenees & Anatolians for the past 10 years on our farm. The property isn't fenced so the dogs sleep in the house w us. They go out with me when I do chores and they alert me when there are raven, fox, hawks, fox & moose. They also alert when people come to the property. As stated numerous times in this video, LGD's aren't for everyone, but they CAN & DO well with owners who do their homework. Personally, "I" could never own the tiny dogs as they bite / bark far more than any LGD I've owned.
@@knabdank The world isn't as black and white as you make it seem. A dog can be trained and socialized and still react poorly to certain stimuli. In this case, I find it likely that the dog has had a bad experience in earlier grooming sessions.
@@knabdank It sounds like he had a bad experience at the last grooming session. We have a GSD who we took to a groomer for years without problems but something happened, and now she literally pulls us away from the door. No amount of training could've prevented this - sometimes something just happens, mistakes, bad day for the dog or groomer, doesn't matter what.
@@knabdank If only you paid attention to the video where the owner says that Snow has been successfully groomed without incident until the last time at PetSmart. Something happened to him at that last visit, how is that any owner's fault.
Something I noticed during the drying part was that Snow was looking at the dryer nozzle after he had bitten it a couple of times with a confused expression. It was almost as if he were thinking, "OK, I bit you, so why aren't you giving up and going away?"
I wonder if he had some previous trauma around nozzles, maybe something similarly shaped like a gun? And he associates that shape as something dangerous or to be feared? Obviously I don't know his story or if he has ever been near one (maybe even if a gun went off near him the sound would scare him) but it makes me think there is a negative association there, or something like that?
@@MYOB00 I think it's safe to say that something happened during his second grooming appointment, something the groomer did not tell Snow's owner about. Why else would a dog who underwent two appointments go loopy at the third?
@@carolynallisee2463We’re thinking the same thing. And I can’t imagine Petsmart groomers are gonna be consistently and reliably skillful or honest. You have to hope the company would always hire good people and the bigger the company, the less I trust that. So I can certainly see them deciding to keep quiet about an incident.
From a previous PetSmart dog bather, we are told in our training (or at least my store was) that we were to always tell the owner their dogs did good, so they would keep coming back. Not to mention, we are not always given adequate time for baths or grooms and are OFTEN forced to do multiple dogs at once.
Sad, but not shocking, not to me. PetSmart's an awful company. Got bitten in the face by another customer's husky while there about a year ago now- the owner of the dog booked it, and all PetSmart cared about was making sure I didn't file a police report. Ended up spending $14k at the hospital for post-exposure preventative rabies shots.
I'm not surprised in the least, I made the mistake once but never again. I had adopted a small older dog from the shelter and we took him to get cleaned and feel pampered. They burned his fur from too hot/too long in the cage dryer. We were pissed. Never again, and I tell everyone not to go there.
not surprising but makes sense considering the experience we had. our GSD was groomed there since a puppy a few times throughout his life (just the winter time since I can bathe him myself outside in the summer) and he kept becoming more and more terrified to be there every time i would bring him up until the very last time we went and he literally had explosive diarreaha on the grooming table. the groomer called us and we were made to pick him up and bring him home, covered in his own feces, in the middle of winter so we had to somehow bathe him despite it being freezing temperatures outside. needless to say, we never went back, and he now goes to an independent groomer who is lovely and he is slowly becoming less terrified each time we bring him.
PetSmart and all the chain stores offering grooming don't care about your pet. They don't care about their employees. They only care about how fast ("efficient") a groomer works, and that they can groom the highest number of dogs, and make PetCo more money. They are the same way with their dog trainers.
You do understand she doesn't charge for grooming, right? You do understand that she has all day to work out these problems, you cant really compare her to a typical grooming salon where people are trying to make a profit.
@@bunjijumper5345 u can not say she has all day to work out these problems as u dont know all of what she does in a day just because she's a youtuber and makes money from this does not give he "all day" to work out issues just because she does so because even if u did have all day dogs like this usually wont even listen.
My sisters dog hated the spray nozzle, I told her to just use the hose and it seemed to work. Then she worked up to a sprinkler in the yard. Her dog loves baths now. 😊
My dog loves playing “hose” outside, but she still hates baths…it’s ok though, I don’t need her to LOVE bathtime. And she at least (miserably) accepts it
The hose can be used in summer. Mine is used to groomer’s stainless tub and haircuts (toy poodle) since he was 11 weeks old (now nearly 3 yrs) so we can use a shower’s “telephone” nozzle on him with no issues. But we wait until he is in a good mood. I use a dipper for his face, slowly, because he does not like the nozzle for it, and use tearless shampoo. He has to have his face washed, smells like food and saliva. No tubs, not the stainless kitchen sink, he likes the shower area at our home better, for some reason. (I bathe him once between grooms). But if we are just doing dirty paws and just wiping his muzzle and sanitary areas with damp washcloth (hand towel), we do it in the kitchen sink.
It is my personal opinion that the last groomer at pet smart was most likely not good with him and it traumatized him. You are obviously a fantastic groomer. Thank you for educating us.
Probably yes, they don't start to fear grooming from one day to another if it was okay before, so something happend the last time he got groomed, there would be no real other explaination.
This is an unfair statement, yes, maybe the last groomers did do something wrong but there is absolutely nothing to fully back that up. Guardian dogs such as him are aloof, independent and like their territory.
@@KITN._.8 nothing to back it up except I've seen the way PetSmart groomers treat the dogs they groom while I was shopping there. When they mentioned his previous groom that was the very first thing that popped into my head. This is more than just a dog who doesn't like grooming and is a little jumpy. This dog is Stone Cold terrified and it's for a reason.
I laughed with recognition when you described the breed as not caring what their owners want. I have a lhasa apso. I call him my mobster. Independent, STUBBORN. fearless, only does what pleases him. His approach to life, “what is in it for me?” . Very food motivated thank god. He is 15 now, three legs, one eye, totally deaf, sleeps a lot, STILL A MOBSTER.
@@jeno264my Belgian Shepherd might have been breed to protect sheep, but definitely not for following orders. We call her demon dog (afectionally. We love her and spoil her rotten).
Love this! My 15/16 year old blind, arthritic and mostly deaf Australian Cattle Dog x, still has to patrol “her” street each day to check everything is in order. And have a good bark to stop any back yard intruders. She’s always protecting us. ❤
my lhasa is totally stubborn, but completely fearful! so difficult to calm him down when he’s anxious.. i hope one day we can ease him and train the anxiety to a much more manageable level
Your watering can actually helped me groom my very large black lab. He doesn't really like being bathed, so I try to make it go as fast as possible, but it's hard to get him wet and it's hard to get soap down to his skin because he is SO oily. So I diluted 1 cup of shampoo into the watering can and poured it right onto a dry dog and the soap acted like a wetting agent and let me get him wet and soapy very fast. Then I was able to scrub and rinse him pretty quick and it made it so much easier for both of us!
What a great idea! My rescue shepherd husky mix hates getting bathed and my handheld showerhead hose isn't quite long enough or powerful enough to adequately get her dense coat wet. It worked fine for my greyhound but she was taller with a very smooth single coat that was much easier to wash. The watering can trick might make bathing my current pup easier as she's not only smaller with a thick short double coat but she's a much smellier pup than greyhounds and needs bathing or at least cleaning with a waterless shampoo more often.
@@Ash-hi5hy some like swimming, but don't like to be sprayed. And in the case of my pup (who loves being sprayed) she goes wild and it makes getting the job done a bit of a challenge because she thinks it's playtime. 😅
@@Ash-hi5hy swimming versus being sprayed are different. Unless introduced early to bathing/being sprayed, many “water dogs” react very differently. A friend had a dog who loved diving head first into the ocean to retrieve sticks, and had to be removed and leashed before she exhausted herself and drowned. But she thought she would die in a bathtub. Terrified.
@@ToastontheEastCoast I have a black hose and just do it in the back yard. The hose gets hot in the sun and warms the water (in fact, you can't do it late in the day or the water is too hot). Maybe you could try that?
You did an excellent job with Snow, Vanessa. He is who he is, which is STILL young. His owner seems to be very receptive to suggestions and it's CLEAR she loves him very much!! I hope you will continue to work with Snow to help him with his fear aggression and perhaps he WILL be able to overcome his fears. I also hope you're feeling better!! Much love from Western NY!
Definitely not a fail! Like you always say, get your dog used to the grooming process and from my own experience, that is 100% solid advice. You did a great job with Snow.
As a petsmart groomer I can safely say none of us are qualified for a situation like this. Some other groomers won't admit when they're beat, so I'm glad that groomer sent him home.
@@moxbroker possibly. But dogs are like people, they can change drastically from kids to adults. And traumatic events aren't always the cause. My family had a dog named button who was fearless and willful as a pup, but was absolutely loved. A once she hit adulthood, she became fearful and extremely neurotic. Nothing changed in how she was treated. No traumatic events. She just grew into that behavior.
@@moxbroker wow that's a reach...idk what happened to YOU or your pets at petsmart but you really shouldn't generalize on things you have no clue could be true or not
It's possible he had a bad experience there. But it's also possible that he was always acting out but the groomers didn't say anything to the owner about it when he was still a smaller puppy and easy enough to handle.@@moxbroker
Props to Snow's owner for knowing their dog and being willing to work on his issues. And props to you Vanessa for having the patience and bravery to groom Snow. I suspect the grooming sessions at PetSmart were far from ideal.
It sounded like he did fine during his first ones. It is the last one that is questionable. I wonder if the last PetSmart groomer was very new to the job (or something) and did something that wound up traumatizing Snow, but they figured, "He'll get over it." 😔
Perhaps snow should have started grooming at puppy age. I think this comes from people getting dogs and not really knowing what to expect until it’s later in the dog years and then they realize well shoot I’m ready to take my dog to the groomer now and the dogs are just not used to it. Honestly It should be done at very early age of the dogs life not something that should be done later in doggy life. Obviously if she’s going to do this, she needs to take the dog more regularly and keep up with it if she’s going to keep going not just once in a while it needs to be on a schedule. So if she’s really set on getting her dog groomed, then I hope she continues and not just does it once a year or some thing because that’s not good for the doggy
Vanessa said he is one year of age and had been groomed three times before so he was groomed as a puppy. Later in the video you hear the owner say “three, six and nine” which sounds like a response to a question about how old he was for previous groomings. She said he was fine for the first two and then was a problem at the third. It sounds like something happened during that third grooming that traumatized him.@@unsystematicstuff912
Watching this you can’t fully get the full effect of what it is actually like having a powerful dog bark and bite at something in your hand. Those are two brave women! Much respect!
i know. one dog scared me so much i fell down on stairs and broke my leg when i was going to work. didn't know it was broken until 16 hours later when bruise was still hurting.
@@bojohannesen4352 are you for real? Do you watch this channel? Whiest!! Scottish for clamp you mouth shut. Vanessa is plenty of all the qualities to groom all dogs. She is savvy, ultra savvy, and knows when to walk away.
I love the fact that you decided to bring the owner in to try and help calm the dog instead of just turning them away and also you decided to get creative with how you were going to soak the dog as not many groomers will try different ways of doing things before giving up.
Poor Snow. With a LOT of desensitization and training he could probably overcome his fear of grooming, but at some point you have to wonder if it's actually worth it to put the dog through that much stress if he doesn't need grooming that often anyway. I think you did the right things, and he came out cleaner than he came in, so that's a net win, even if it's a small one.
She has the wrong kind of dog. He's meant to be outside on a farm & his coat doesn't really need grooming. He's also a very powerful dog with primitive instincts for someone who doesn't really know dog psychology, in my opinion - not that I'm an expert, but I've studied & written about dog breeds. I think the groomer was right to say it's not worth it to force him through a groom. She would do better to take him to a lake & let him swim off the dirt.
Exactly. Maremma and Akbash are THE most undomesticated breeds. Whoever decided to breed this mix was irresponsible in the first place. This poor dog should be out in the hill, miles away from urban everything, doing their job. Or with expert level owners ,who know how to scientifically de sensitise and socialise them, very slowly and carefully. My own 55kg Maremma was capable of both, but only because I a Veterinary Behaviourist. Would never trust him with complete strangers or kids though. These types of dogs are just not pet dogs. Owners should be knowledgeable enough to groom them properly every 2 days at home, and not expect them to cope with pro grooming, even with such a good pro groomer. This poor dog is not even basically socialised, no excuse at a year old already. Very few expert livestock guardian dog owners here in Europe , except for the pet bred Pyrenees, would ever expect their dogs to be safe with a groomer , without constant socialisation from 6 weeks old. LDG should not be pets.
I had to kind of do that with my dog, she hated being brushed. I started working with her in short sessions to get her more used to it because she trusts me and the last session at the groomers she was just an amazingly good girl. The time before, not so much and they told me about it.
Hi Vanessa, I once had a Newfie that could / would totally destroy a garden hose spray nozzle with one solitary "crunch!" I accidentally discovered how to solve that when I stepped back onto the hose and the pressure dropped. At low pressuure he was Ok with it, weird. So i used low pressure for a while, 10 ~ 15 minutes, then slowly adding a little more pressure, so after about his third "home" grooming session he wasn't bothered with the high pressure, in fact he seemed to enjoy his back & butt being high pressure water blasted, in fact every time he sees me going for the hose he imediately gets into our outdoor bathtub. All the best from New Zealand.
I know someone who used to work at PetSmart and they quit because they got tired of seeing the abuse some of the groomers/bathers would do to the dogs. One groomer PUNCHED a dog for not cooperating. I wouldn't be surprised if this dog has a good reason for forming a fear of being groomed.
She really isn't a groomer who needs to make a profit as she doesn't charge for any grooming, so she has none of the typical issues. Hopefully high pressure grooming salons can watch her videos and learn something because they don't have the time and resources she does to figure things out.
I also wonder about equip.inventions like what if they could makr a refillable sprinlkle can with a hole in bottom for refilling without spray or noise lol. Also a large hose attachable dryer for after the heaviest of drying for a disk like front with less force for fearful. Like they make for humans for curly wavy drying lol! Its brainstorming so don't yell haha not yet but maybe theres some possibe suggestions. lol !!
@@lorirarich1875 One option for dogs scared of hoses is immersion- since a lot of dogs love to swim, it can be easier to get them to get _themselves_ wet, then soap them up, then get them to jump back in to rinse off, but there are problems with this. You need a large tub, and a large space to work in, and the rinsing can leave a little soap, which can cause irritation. They do make big machine driers that hang on kennel/cage doors, but they're still quite loud and scary to many dogs. Forcing them to be cornered while their scared can be cruel, and lead to even more fear-aggression.
I felt very sad actually for him-he loves his person and trusts her and probably is skeptical of Vanessa because he doesn't know her. His owner is very kind and obviously adores her fur baby.
@@FMeister94How many people are working at petsmart? Maybe three Times the person was fine with him, maybe the fourth Person was different? Who might know? Can't ask him... 😕
This is a case where the owner needs to figure out how to wash him herself. Especially if he only trusts her. IF this is an outside dog/working dog, then he likely needs lots of grooming. I sure don’t see Vanessa or any other groomer doing this again and again and again. So this lady, as well intentioned as she is, better buy her a stool, muzzles, giant watering cans, maybe some medication…
Oh bless Snow , he is so scared and panicked . You can see what an ordeal he finds it. Hats off to Vanessa and his owner for doing the best for him and reassuring him as best they could x
I wish I could see my dogs’s whole groom! I want see how he behaves. I walked in early last week and found out he sings the song of his people during the blow dry 😅
@@joaquincaceresguibovich3182yes but there's also things groomers or experienced people should do. And it's still good to get them used to it because anything can happen
I remember going to Petsmart a few years ago to pick up my in laws, dog. While I was waiting one dog was on a table with the leash above him and walked off the table and was literally hanging by his neck. Thankfully the groomer (who had walked away) turned back around and picked him back up, but she yelled at him like it was his fault. That was the moment I swore I’d never take my pets or encourage anyone I know to take their pets there.
Like that has never happened anywhere else! Petsmart is so visible because they allow people to watch..........and judge. How many private shops is anyone able to watch their pet be groomed?
The fact is no one is perfect in any profession. Like the comment mentioned....Petsmart is fully transparent so anyone can watch grooming. Also as was mentioned very few if any private shops allow anyone to watch. It is unacceptable at any shop to leave a dog on the table and walk away but making one groomers stupid mistake condemn all Petsmart groomers is just unrealistic. There are over 1000 Petsmart stores in the US and Canada. Considering how many groomers they employ they have an excellent record. I no longer work for them but I know all groomers go to school and are put to the test in all skills. Just sayin.....judge not lest ye be judged..that is unless youre the one person who makes no mistakes. In that case kudos......
@@kathleenmider152 Another person here commented that Petsmart does not give enough time to groom the dogs and that sometimes they have to groom multiple dogs at once. And that they always have to tell the owners that the dogs did well. So idk... I have no faith in big companies. They just want to make money for the stakeholders. Lying and treating the workers and clients like shit is nothing new. They just keep getting away with it by hiding stuff etc.
All I know is that in my own experience groomers for the most part cared. And if anything they are watched more closely. Hard to hide stuff in front of a big ass window
It was very informative to see the difference between the scared and aggressive bites Snow was doing to the nozzle vs the play bites, teeth tapping that the Husky was doing in one of the previous videos. The sounds were also very different, the howling and yowling of the Husky was not as fear inducing as the very scared and defensive barking of Snow.
It's also interesting to see how it actually took a decent amount of time for him to get to biting the hose nozzle. He backed away, he barked, he did like "air bites" before actually making contact. Vanessa obviously was deliberately pushing his limits, but he had a lot of signs that he wanted her to stop before he fully bit the nozzle. Vanessa obviously was deliberately pushing his limits. Not to say the behaviour isn't aggressive, obviously, but there's interesting dog body language on show.
So appreciate how you recognized how scared he was, and tried different things to keep him calm, and finally decided to stop because he was so scared and stressed by the dryer. You value the animal's wellbeing more than finishing their groom and it shows how much you truly care about the animals in your care. Thank you for all that you do for animals like Snow, and for sharing the realities of grooming.
Don’t understand why having a large drying kennel instead of subjecting stressed dogs to the noise. Maybe a better investment, initially for dogs like this.
@@Ketowski(I'm not an expert by any means, so this is a bit of a guess) but I think it's to do with 1: getting shedding hair out of the coat 2: drying the dog down to the skin I can imagine that the create would take a while to dry down to the skin in the crevices.
@@BenjoCovers There's not a dog on the planet that doesn't need an occasional grooming (they don't all get it but they all need it). With gentleness, patience, and repetition he can learn to deal and even enjoy the process.
@@BenjoCovers the owner said snow was slipping on the floor. He could hurt himself. He is not a wild animal. He is a domesticated dog. Every dog needs to be groomed occasionally.
Watching you groom and talk about all these livestock guarding dogs has helped me understand the issues we had with the brother and sister we adopted from a rescue group. They were Great Pyrenees that had been turned into a shelter for snapping at young grandchildren who were trying to take their dog bones . The shelter was going to put them down and they had been at the rescue for months because they wanted them to be adopted together. We had a difficult time with them until we convinced the rescue that the male dog needed a farm to be on where he had more space and work to do. Once he was gone the female seemed to let out a sigh of relief and settled down. She lived the rest of her life quietly in peace and comfort.
Great Pyrenees can most definitely be a difficult breed! Not just because of them being livestock guard dogs, but also because they're absolutely huge! I have a friend who has a female Great Pyrenees, and when they walk past outside on their walks, it looks like he's out walking a small polar bear 😂 That dog is however totally amazing, so kind and docile (unless she spots an amstaff) so my friend has been super lucky with her considering what breed she is! When I meet them outside, she (the dog) often puts her head on my lap for snuggles (I'm an ambulatory wheelchair user who's mostly in wheelchair when outside) or she leans against my legs or chair, which is something she does when she trusts and likes someone. Absolutely amazing dog and stunning breed! But yeah, definitely not a breed for everyone and she's totally not the norm for her breed when it comes to her calm nature, even more so considering my friend lives in an apartment. My friend is an experienced dog owner, he's firm but gentle, working with positive reinforcement along with him being very calm in nature himself. He's often trusted with looking after other peoples dogs when owners are going on trips and can't bring their dog with them, his demeanor is in a sense very similar to Vanessa :)
Kudos to mom for coming in to help you. With your patience and guidance, she now knows what kind of training she needs to work on so the next time won't be so difficult. He's a beautiful dog and is worth the time it will take to work on the training with him. Thanks Vanessa for your efforts and understanding.
I wonder what happened! His person said he was fine for a while and then suddenly not, which concerns me (injury, abuse or other pain). My honest recommendation for this owner would be to learn to groom him at home and invest in the blower
Two things - 1. I suspect if he was ok with grooming then all of a sudden not, that he had a terrible experience at the last one. 2. Reminds me of my first dog. He was a rescue and had an abusive/neglectful past and was a breed that required grooming. I took him to a few places that couldn't/wouldn't groom him and ended up having no choice but to learn to do it myself (including the hair cut) because he trusted me. It was still a struggle but I got it done and he looked funny the first couple of years but I got better! This owner will likely have to learn to do it all herself
My question is: What happened at his last grooming at PetsMart that made his attitude towards grooming do a 180? Because if he was perfectly fine for the first three, but the fourth one suddenly went horribly, I sincerely doubt that nothing happened to trigger that behavior.
The only thing I can think of, outside of the groomer doing something, is Snow may have accidently gotten hurt or at 9 months he was feeling that teenage testosterone and stubbornness both of these breeds are prone to.
My question exactly, and whatever it was, it was bad. When training my yearling stallion to have his feet cleaned, I took several months, working very slowly. When I reached the point when he would automatically pick up his feet and let me clean them, the farrier for the boarding barn showed up and I decided it was time for my little guy to have his feet trimmed. It took less than 3 minutes to undo all my work. Not only was the farrier rough, but he yelled and pulled hard on my horse's leg. I stopped him immediately, but the damage was done. It took another month for me to get back to where where we'd been. Snow is most likely a very sensitive dog. Whatever happened to him during that 4th grooming session was, for him, a trauma. Sad and preventable.
This was such a tough one, but props to you for sticking it out and truly doing all you could to give the dog the best care necessary!! Patience beyond Godly!!
This is a heartbreaking groom to watch. Poor Snow. He really doesn’t understand what’s going on. You are incredibly kind and understanding of his anxiety. When pups get that scares they can injure themselves (and of course you too). Seems like he needs lots of exposure and positive experiences with grooming. Seems like something happened in a previous groom based on what the owner said. He did such a great job when his human helps. ❤
Aww you can tell he felt so much better after his mommy got there. You can just tell he is so loved by her because you can literally see him relax as she is rubbing the shampoo on him.
I remember this rottie I worked with, He was fine getting in the tub but once that water came on he was terrified. Experimenting revealed it was the sound of the pressurized water that scared him. It took many sessions of getting him used to the sound, then the feel of water on his paws before he'd allow us to groom him. Thank you for not just giving up on this guy.
This young boy in the video acts very much like my Anatolian in this situation -- although she's even crazier. Akbash and Karabash are just different critters than normal, modern dog breeds. And mixing some Maremma, another LGD, probably doesn't help much.
Poor baby was so scared. I love watching how patient you are working with him, and his owner clearly loves him very much to come right back and help with him
I’ve noticed a lot of pets get freaked out by spraying water, I just pour water on them with a cup but that watering can was smart and good idea. I’ll have to try it
My trick is to start at the butt end and move towards the front to introduce them to the water. Most of them hate getting their heads wet but are pretty chill about the rest of their body getting a shower. That also means they get soapy butt rubs, which are a good time for a dog. By the time I get to their chest they're quite relaxed, so then I rinse them in the opposite direction, head to tail.
My dog is hugely freaked out by hoses and avoids sprinklers. For years we bathed her just fine by pouring water from bowls over her after running a bath. I've got her to be okay with a shower head on a hose that you plug into the water pipe, sometimes you just gotta work around their fears :)
Honestly, reading the dog's body language, he doesn't seem AGGRESSIVE so much as he seems SCARED. He definitely was trying to get away when she was spraying the hose....he wasn't growling or biting her. It was a fear response because he felt uncomfortable. I DO respect the groomer for having enough sense to realize that he was very scared and she respected his limits (like the spray of the hose) and she was a bit out of her element and she asked his owner for help. That's the sign of an excellent groomer. She didn't try to force him and traumatize him just to get the job done.
It’s more so that fear can become aggression because it’s the only way the dog knows how to protect itself in that moment. Some dogs shut down, others lash out. It depends on the extent of the problem. I know a dog who’s so afraid of humans because of her past that she lashes out in fear of what might happen
even if this was not a full groom, you found a lot of his triggers (like hoses) that can help him slowly become easier to groom. Not pushing him and just giving him a good shampoo sometimes is the best, because it will build that trust. Glad the owner was able to help out as well. Good luck with teaching Snow!
I'm sure that someone else has already mentioned this, but most dogs go through a fear stage at about 7-9 months and then again at 12-16 months. In this period, they can be extra fearful and, more importantly, can cement those fears firmly in place. It's why when you're socializing a young dog, it is so vital that every planned exposure ends on a good note and is as controlled and stress free as possible. They're literally learning what to be afraid of. If his first two grooms went fantastic and his last one (at 9 months) suddenly went wrong, I'd bet money on *something* happening and his brain just took it and cemented it into place. It is possible to work them through those fears, but it is hard. Especially with a LSG. That said, if anyone has the patience and know how to help this owner through Snow's grooming block, it is you. You both got this!
This is what I was thinking. And possibly nothing bad even happened. In my pup's fear period he started barking at all strangers after being a fearless and friendly little guy. No reason, just the stage. He largely got over it, thank God, it got super annoying when he'd yell his head off at someone for looking at him.
ohh interesting! My cat was excited to see the fireworks when he was a kitten and then one year he suddenly started being terrified by them. I know you're talking about dogs, but that would explain many of my cat's behaviors!
Can confirm, my 8mo confident and fearless pup is now scared of things, even stuff he knows like passing bins or a random big stick in a park that wasn't there the day before.
True. And those developmental stages seem to vary from dog to dog. It's important to know about them and even then it's difficult to make that association when things start to go south. I believe they can be worked through, but the owner needs to be aware of the growth stages and have some idea about safe and effective ways to help the dog through them. My youngest boy had a strong fear response to fireworks--when he was 2 1/2. Wait, wuh?? He'd heard them at 6 months, at a year and a half and no issues. I took my cues from my older dog and yawned, didn't react or get upset or sympathetic and did not go on that ride with the younger boy. He fretted that night and kept looking at the two of us like we were crazy. He's past 4 1/2 now and never repeated it.
You handled this well, Vanessa. I saw the side eye he was *repeatedly* giving you and he was absolutely in a state of panic/distress at multiple points during this groom. Given that he is a young dog (he's technically a bratty teen. Some large dogs don't mature both physically and mentally until they are 3 yrs old or older!), the owner could work with him to counter-condition him to the sounds/feelings/etc. of grooming. But it will be a long haul, as this is an independent breed. Unsure if you have experienced trainers in your area that can work with dogs such as this? To learn what his "happy"s are and train using that? He clearly was beyond the point of accepting treats - too much into the fight/flight mode. I didn't see if he was neutered, but neutering would help if he is not. Best of luck to the owner! I had Akitas for 20+ years. They did not like grooming either.
I got th MAREMMA, .. sheepdog , originated in Italy, & as are all herding , protective, suspicious of strangers,. Are 2 types Akita, American & Japanese Akita Inu, all should be started grooming early age. Dense double coat, dead shed hair must be removed. I had German shredders. 😝( Germ Shep) never stop shedding ! What was other ?? Oshkosh ..?
Thank you for putting the comfort and safety of the dog at the foremost. Too many individuals would put their pride and need to prove they can do what others can't at priority. I appreciate how much compassion you have for the animals in your charge.
You're amazing! As another canine professional I am so tired of watching some people try to "force the dog to submit". Forcing a terrified dog to do anything only increases the stress and sets up long term trauma..... But Girl- you rock!
With these groomings, I am also learning a lit about us humans. We are social "animals" but we treat a lot of our own people way worse that we would treat an animal who is scared. We have a lot to learn to treating our own pets...
Nah, treating a dog like a kid is the dumbest thing you can do with them. Letting a dog snap at you so you can slowly desensitize them, only works if your dog isn't an immediate risk. My dog bit me once during her first bath. I absolutely punished her for that shit. I'm not going to let a human hurt me. I'm not going to let my dog think it's acceptable to bite me just because she's upset either. I don't care if they're scared or mad. (Unless it was a complete surprise, and the fear is warranted. ) I continued on with the bath and she learned to deal with it. Then she started loving it. This is why a lot of dogs are wild as hell. You try to be their friend and you don't set boundaries the way the leader would do.
@WadeAlma I start training my dogs with brushing before I attempt to bathe them. With just brushing, they learn that I'm not going to hurt them, but I'm also not going to give up if they wriggle or try to run. They learn to just let me get on with it. Then they do the same when I bathe them. No running , no jumping, no barking, no growling, no song of their people. They just stand there and let me get on with it. The huskies know I'm more stubborn than them.
@WadeAlma you shouldn’t have a dog. Animals & children remember. Your dog remembers too. Don’t kid yourself that he doesn’t. The damage you’ve already done will take months - and someone with more kindness empathy & understanding than you have to reverse. This dog groomer, the dog, & the dog’s owner absolutely did the right things. Now everyone knows where they are. Soon this lady’s dog will have no problems, from love trust & respect the dog will learn & give love respect & trust in return. Bravo doggie, doggie’s owner & dog groomer.
@@malaikakambon6636 Oh please. Did you know dogs snap and bite each other took? Bet they require years of therapy to solve. Only an absolute clown thinks it's acceptable to let a dog snap at people. And guess what. I left my dog over at a other person's house for 2 weeks. I got praises because she's so well behaved when bathing. The results speak for themselves. Not a single bite on a dog or child or adult since her first bath. My dog is always complemented when compared to other dogs. No barking/yapping. No aggression. No people fear either. And she doesn't flinch when I move quickly towards her either. Also this dog in the video is absolutely going to bite someone because nobody taught it not to immediately bite when scared.
This makes me feel so much better about my own livestock guardian dog and his behaviors. They can be so intense and determined! Thank you for sharing this.
I told the vet don't let my LGD see you lock the door on the cage. She'll open the cage when your back is turned. The vet ignored me and Annie got out and had an extra meal then didn't get spayed until the next day.
@@chapmanpagel3661 Hormones! Even if he's neutered, he's no longer a baby and will defend himself if he feels he must, although the danger is only his perception. It's certainly possible that a groomer was unkind, but not at all necessary to explain the change in his behavior. He may simply have grown up to be what he is, an ancient livestock guardian breed.
He did a lot better with his owner present. Seems like a good strategy for a few more sessions until he has built up enough trust and has learned that nothing bad will happen to him. He's still young. It would be great to see more videos of him in the future and see his progress.
I love that, even though this was a stressful situation, you never blamed the dog. It's not his fault he's scared and you just felt sorry for him, really wish everyone had your love and patience for animals 💜 If I ever need a dog groomer I hope they're as kind as you are.
Massive respect for you, girl, and your public spirit. Your careful explanation of how fear can affect a dog teaches people that a biting dog needs to be addressed and remedied, but doesnt always need to be put down. And kudos to your boyfriend/cameraman who's so supportive of your work and asks for no glory. 🫂🫂🫂 For BOTH of you!
Ive watched so many videos of yours that are so chill and wholesome. This boy was anxiety educing and a little scary. Was really cool to see this side of your work as well. What % of your appointments are like this, I wonder?
Baby steps. I love how you encouraged Snow to go a little farther than he was comfortable...but didn't push for him to accept everything. Hopefully over time y'all can encourage him farther.
My mom was dropping our dog off at PetSmart once to get groomed and witnessed a groomer being very mean and hostile to the dog they were grooming. She was in the process of paying and decided to take her time looking for her wallet, so she could observe more of this groomer. It got so bad that she ended up cancelling the appointment. She said she left there in tears and filed a complaint.
Those corporations, Petsmart, Petco, are not ideal places, some are apprentices, amateur, & are done in assembly line, ...a bather, clipper, scissor work, stressful for dog for so many different ones . They're bought in morning, left caged, unattended on tables, while doing another, .. death have occurred..
I get the feeling that pet smart isn’t that great for grooming. I watch a youtuber that takes her dog to them and they mess up his cut majority of the time. Are they truly trained and professionals or just store hires?
@@marlenejennifer3514 just in it for th money, overbook, & are done in a hurry, .. U don't need a degree to bathe, like dishwashers, but need experience for breed specific groom, like poodles, scnauzers( I hate th way they do them , "skirts" left on halfway up, like half assed groom, is not proper way , as I groomed show scnauzers for show) Some are apprentices, amateurs, practicing on your dog,.. & clip nails too short, & bleed, clipped burns, from blades getting too hot, cut dogs.
The owner said that the dog went to Petsmart to be groomed 3 times...at the last visit, his behavior changed. I'd ask for the surveillance video! Something bad may have happened at Petsmart. His behavior during grooming was normal until the last grooming...get the footage!
He’s clearly scared of loud sounds. Thank you for giving him a chance and not labeling him and “troubled boy”. I think with proper training and exposure therapy he will be eventually great to groom ♥️
@@pedroz1540 They were saying they didn't think he was afraid of loud sounds since the hose would be loud if it hit the floor or on him andhe only freaked outwhen the hose was watering him. smh
Im really wondering what happened during his last groom. As the owner said, it was all fine before but they sent him back during the last... I wish the owner and dog all the best! He seems like a smart and gentle dog. I wonder what terrified him so much in the past
Me too. We've taken in many rescued animals and it was clear that they too perhaps had some bad experiences. We have a female Sheltie that had been traumitized by someone or something. It took 2 months for her to find her voice and we were thinking that maybe she just doesn't bark. She came to us scared stiff so lots of love and praise she finally came out of her shell. She's the sweetest dog we've ever had.💕
I worked at a groomer at pet smart for a short time amd i wonder if the fact that she only has one dog in the shop at a time is a big help for reactive dogs. At petsmart it was so fuckin stressful becuase theres always like 5-10 dogs barking and whining in their kennels all the time. I always thought it was a bad environment both for the workers and the dogs.
Thank you Vanessa for sharing this groom. This shows that groomer is not an easy job, and can be a dangerous one when the dog is scared. It can even more dangerous if you can't recognize the signs, because you can clearly see that these bites were not jokes. I hope your high velocity dryer has spare nozzles
Good call, you could tell he was stressed as hell. Something tells me something tramautic happened at the PetSmart, not saying it was on purpose, but it struck me as odd as when she commented that he was fine the first two visits, the one visit is when he was scared.
Wow he was super stressed! Great call telling owner to back up Snow seemed a bit irrational at that moment. Absolutely great job & very responsible owner.
As a certified dog trainer who does R+, I love this episode! You took the apporiate steps to keep things LIMA... going slow and steady and what a great momma for swooping in and listening to the professional when things got super tough. Way to go helping this baby through a stressful process.... hopefully mom gets some cooperative care and consent work going to help Snow, along with a Baskerville muzzle for training!
For anyone reading, keep in mind that a Baskerville muzzle is NOT bite-proof. A dog that is very driven to bite can and will get their teeth through it. You want a wire basket muzzle if you have a serious bite risk dog! Baskervilles are cheap, so they make for great training tools, but should not be relied on for a dog that is very determined to bite.
I just wanted to say, I saw your video earlier this week and we planned to give our husky a bath and he’s terrible with the tub. We just filled it and used buckets to wash him and he was 15x times better than he’s ever been. Keep making these videos and we will keep watching them. Thanks again.
They did an amazing job. I’m so glad the friend/pet parent was okay with getting in and helping! When a pup is that scared it really does probably help to have your person there. The person you trust
@@anthonysilvestri4946Sometimes dogs just turn out strange or aggressive even with proper rearing. Especially dogs with a lot of personality and independence like this
I love dogs and we introduce our dogs to grooming at an early age. Some dogs, like people, have phobias that are hard to overcome.Until I watched your videos, I thought “ what a fun and stress free job grooming must “. I have acquired a true respect for your profession and I always ensure my groomer is well compensated when we pick up our dogs .
The side eye he kept giving you as you were shaving his paws. 😅. I hope every groomer is as patient and caring as you, hopefully with time he gets used his grooming. ❤
Am I the only one to appreciate the epic side eye (14:19 ) from this particular canine icon? But also ; I find the work you do most admirable. I don't even have a dog lol, just a couple/few cats that object to my goals of other fur-friends. Still I'm enthralled by every video and just so happy for each and every pooch. Side note: Greetings from NY. The similarities in our N/American Italian upbringings is astounding btw (based on your stories anyway). And love your Nonna. (Makes me miss mine). Salud to you & yours! 🥂
Disagree 1000%. There was zero empathy in this video. No one knows what trauma this dog experienced with water expulsion devices like a hose with a gun attached. But "Girl with the dogs" did not do this dog any favors when she continued to point the water gun at the dog minutes after the dog protested. Then she continued to speak, on camera and in front of this dog in an authoritative, clinical voice tone that does nothing to comfort the dog. This is why I cannot get behind these videos. If she really wanted to groom this dog, she might have considered removing the water gun so she's dealing with a steady stream of water out of a hose. No noise, nice, predictable stream of water that can help rinse soap. There is zero attempt to make a connection with the dog in this video. All of you simps lapping up this video have zero connection to an actual unfamiliar dog and what it takes to earn their trust. This RUclipsr treats these animals like a transaction.
@@vesuvius2444 You don't have to be an animal groomer to see when an animal is uncomfortable. You also don't have to be an animal groomer to establish a connection with animals where they will trust you. So miss me with your "gotcha" attempt.
@@ForceFedIt's very easy to criticize from the sidelines. It's another thing to actually do it. You can't even answer questions correctly. But keep pretending you could have done better.
Snow seems like an excellent LGD, just clearly a very stressed out and concerned boy! really appreciate your patience and the owner's willingness to help her dog. He seems well taken care of otherwise! Hope we can get a "redemption" ep for Snow once he learns more about the muzzle :)
An excellent LGD wouldn't be aggressive outside of his property. This dog either hadn't been socialized properly, or he has some sort of mental disorder, or it's simply bad breeding. A dog this large is highly dangerous when it's afraid. He is very pretty but his behavior is still entirely unacceptable. Edit: for clarity
I love the fact that you have so much empathy for the dog and you remain calm and affectionate and loving but still firm that the groom will get done❤️❤️❤️ great work❤️❤️❤️
Another compassionate and knowledgeable groom. It's always so heartwarming to watch the way you put the dogs best interest and, of course, groomer safety first. Sorry you're sick. I hope you feel better very soon.
You are a remarkable human being. I know it is stressful for you when a dog is stressed. You are amazing at observing a learning as you proceed and then adjusting. I have seen undercover videos of groomers that are abuseive to dogs. I hope you are well compensated for remarkable kindness, patience and professionalism.
I watch the videos with captions on, because it's often very funny. When Snow was singing the song of his people, the caption appearing was "[Music]" 😂.
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Honestly, props to the owner, she was super honest about his previous behavior and really got in there scrubbing and everything, she cares about her dog and she respected you and cared about your safety as a groomer
But she could’ve done it herself at home, and didn’t teach him to behave at the groomers so props? Really?
@@BeatlesOasisFan That dog is terrified. There may be no "teaching" it out of him. Some dog's can't be desensitized. Stay in your lane.
@@BeatlesOasisFanyou have no idea this dogs history, dogs are animals at the end of they day and if they don't like something they don't like it.
@@BeatlesOasisFanyour comment is annoying
@@BeatlesOasisFan why so judgmental? Lots of people don’t have the time of resources to groom their dogs properly. Going to a groomer like Vanessa is a smart move.
That was a great idea using the watering can instead of the hose and having the owner come in to help. Having someone with your patience and understanding is exactly what he needs. Very well done, Vanessa!
No what he needs is not to be bought by some owner that doesnt need a live stock guardian dog, that dog belongs free on the range, they are not pets
@@adairjanney7109 What do you think dogs are? Dogs are pets. They're literally made to be pets...
Well, no, livestock guardian dogs were made to guard livestock. But I don't agree with the other commenter. Livestock guardian dogs still need a bath. @@BeautyMonster1000
livestock guardian dogs still need baths and grooming care. @@adairjanney7109
Kindly don't make blanket statements like this. It's untrue. I've had / have Great Pyrenees & Anatolians for the past 10 years on our farm. The property isn't fenced so the dogs sleep in the house w us. They go out with me when I do chores and they alert me when there are raven, fox, hawks, fox & moose. They also alert when people come to the property. As stated numerous times in this video, LGD's aren't for everyone, but they CAN & DO well with owners who do their homework. Personally, "I" could never own the tiny dogs as they bite / bark far more than any LGD I've owned.
Failed grooms are as important to show as success stories! Thank you!
Ahhh man it's beyond heartwarming when ya see how much calmer they become with their loved ones
lmao 1min later: action shots of pup absolutely tryin to demolish the dryer nozzle
Right the trust some pet owners and the pet build is always amazing to see.
I love that the owner helped to create a less fearful experience.
if only the owner properly trained the dog in the first place.
Dogs inspires me.. My parents said if i get 50K followers They'd buy me a professional camera for recording..begging u guys , literally
Begging...
@@knabdank The world isn't as black and white as you make it seem. A dog can be trained and socialized and still react poorly to certain stimuli. In this case, I find it likely that the dog has had a bad experience in earlier grooming sessions.
@@knabdank It sounds like he had a bad experience at the last grooming session. We have a GSD who we took to a groomer for years without problems but something happened, and now she literally pulls us away from the door. No amount of training could've prevented this - sometimes something just happens, mistakes, bad day for the dog or groomer, doesn't matter what.
@@knabdank If only you paid attention to the video where the owner says that Snow has been successfully groomed without incident until the last time at PetSmart. Something happened to him at that last visit, how is that any owner's fault.
Something I noticed during the drying part was that Snow was looking at the dryer nozzle after he had bitten it a couple of times with a confused expression. It was almost as if he were thinking, "OK, I bit you, so why aren't you giving up and going away?"
He’s probably also thinking “why the hell is this thing blasting air into my mouth”
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I wonder if he had some previous trauma around nozzles, maybe something similarly shaped like a gun? And he associates that shape as something dangerous or to be feared? Obviously I don't know his story or if he has ever been near one (maybe even if a gun went off near him the sound would scare him) but it makes me think there is a negative association there, or something like that?
@@MYOB00 I think it's safe to say that something happened during his second grooming appointment, something the groomer did not tell Snow's owner about. Why else would a dog who underwent two appointments go loopy at the third?
@@carolynallisee2463We’re thinking the same thing. And I can’t imagine Petsmart groomers are gonna be consistently and reliably skillful or honest. You have to hope the company would always hire good people and the bigger the company, the less I trust that. So I can certainly see them deciding to keep quiet about an incident.
Poor baby, he's really terrified, but you can see how he's such a good soul actually. You did an amazing job in being kind and patient with him!
From a previous PetSmart dog bather, we are told in our training (or at least my store was) that we were to always tell the owner their dogs did good, so they would keep coming back. Not to mention, we are not always given adequate time for baths or grooms and are OFTEN forced to do multiple dogs at once.
This is shocking tbh
Sad, but not shocking, not to me. PetSmart's an awful company. Got bitten in the face by another customer's husky while there about a year ago now- the owner of the dog booked it, and all PetSmart cared about was making sure I didn't file a police report. Ended up spending $14k at the hospital for post-exposure preventative rabies shots.
I'm not surprised in the least, I made the mistake once but never again. I had adopted a small older dog from the shelter and we took him to get cleaned and feel pampered. They burned his fur from too hot/too long in the cage dryer. We were pissed. Never again, and I tell everyone not to go there.
not surprising but makes sense considering the experience we had. our GSD was groomed there since a puppy a few times throughout his life (just the winter time since I can bathe him myself outside in the summer) and he kept becoming more and more terrified to be there every time i would bring him up until the very last time we went and he literally had explosive diarreaha on the grooming table. the groomer called us and we were made to pick him up and bring him home, covered in his own feces, in the middle of winter so we had to somehow bathe him despite it being freezing temperatures outside. needless to say, we never went back, and he now goes to an independent groomer who is lovely and he is slowly becoming less terrified each time we bring him.
PetSmart and all the chain stores offering grooming don't care about your pet. They don't care about their employees. They only care about how fast ("efficient") a groomer works, and that they can groom the highest number of dogs, and make PetCo more money.
They are the same way with their dog trainers.
I love that you're troubleshooting dogs. You're the IT of dog groomers.
You do understand she doesn't charge for grooming, right? You do understand that she has all day to work out these problems, you cant really compare her to a typical grooming salon where people are trying to make a profit.
This is an extremely accurate observation.
@@bunjijumper5345 this is such a passive aggressive response to what was a very kind and funny comment. are you good bro?
@@riley1892 quite and odd response to calling Vanessa a IT specialist equivalent for dogs is not a insult.
@@bunjijumper5345 u can not say she has all day to work out these problems as u dont know all of what she does in a day just because she's a youtuber and makes money from this does not give he "all day" to work out issues just because she does so because even if u did have all day dogs like this usually wont even listen.
My sisters dog hated the spray nozzle, I told her to just use the hose and it seemed to work. Then she worked up to a sprinkler in the yard. Her dog loves baths now. 😊
My dog loves playing “hose” outside, but she still hates baths…it’s ok though, I don’t need her to LOVE bathtime. And she at least (miserably) accepts it
Great job, Darlalei!
Oh, that’s a good idea! I’ve been using the spray nozzle with my dog. Maybe I’ll try the watering can or just the plain ol’ hose.
The hose can be used in summer. Mine is used to groomer’s stainless tub and haircuts (toy poodle) since he was 11 weeks old (now nearly 3 yrs) so we can use a shower’s “telephone” nozzle on him with no issues. But we wait until he is in a good mood. I use a dipper for his face, slowly, because he does not like the nozzle for it, and use tearless shampoo. He has to have his face washed, smells like food and saliva. No tubs, not the stainless kitchen sink, he likes the shower area at our home better, for some reason. (I bathe him once between grooms). But if we are just doing dirty paws and just wiping his muzzle and sanitary areas with damp washcloth (hand towel), we do it in the kitchen sink.
@@mariecarie1 yeah I’m intrigued by the watering can idea
It is my personal opinion that the last groomer at pet smart was most likely not good with him and it traumatized him. You are obviously a fantastic groomer. Thank you for educating us.
Probably yes, they don't start to fear grooming from one day to another if it was okay before, so something happend the last time he got groomed, there would be no real other explaination.
Nah, these types of dogs are bred to be independent. They're livestock guardians, not a house pet.
That dog is a cry baby, and there are better ones, sorry.
This is an unfair statement, yes, maybe the last groomers did do something wrong but there is absolutely nothing to fully back that up.
Guardian dogs such as him are aloof, independent and like their territory.
@@KITN._.8 nothing to back it up except I've seen the way PetSmart groomers treat the dogs they groom while I was shopping there.
When they mentioned his previous groom that was the very first thing that popped into my head. This is more than just a dog who doesn't like grooming and is a little jumpy. This dog is Stone Cold terrified and it's for a reason.
I laughed with recognition when you described the breed as not caring what their owners want. I have a lhasa apso. I call him my mobster. Independent, STUBBORN. fearless, only does what pleases him. His approach to life, “what is in it for me?” . Very food motivated thank god. He is 15 now, three legs, one eye, totally deaf, sleeps a lot, STILL A MOBSTER.
I have a similarly-strongwilled nine-year-old Maltipoo whose nicknames include “Miss Stubbornhead” and “Stubbornmoogie”.
😂 😳 love it!
@@jeno264my Belgian Shepherd might have been breed to protect sheep, but definitely not for following orders. We call her demon dog (afectionally. We love her and spoil her rotten).
Love this! My 15/16 year old blind, arthritic and mostly deaf Australian Cattle Dog x, still has to patrol “her” street each day to check everything is in order. And have a good bark to stop any back yard intruders. She’s always protecting us. ❤
my lhasa is totally stubborn, but completely fearful! so difficult to calm him down when he’s anxious.. i hope one day we can ease him and train the anxiety to a much more manageable level
Your watering can actually helped me groom my very large black lab. He doesn't really like being bathed, so I try to make it go as fast as possible, but it's hard to get him wet and it's hard to get soap down to his skin because he is SO oily. So I diluted 1 cup of shampoo into the watering can and poured it right onto a dry dog and the soap acted like a wetting agent and let me get him wet and soapy very fast. Then I was able to scrub and rinse him pretty quick and it made it so much easier for both of us!
What a great idea! My rescue shepherd husky mix hates getting bathed and my handheld showerhead hose isn't quite long enough or powerful enough to adequately get her dense coat wet. It worked fine for my greyhound but she was taller with a very smooth single coat that was much easier to wash. The watering can trick might make bathing my current pup easier as she's not only smaller with a thick short double coat but she's a much smellier pup than greyhounds and needs bathing or at least cleaning with a waterless shampoo more often.
That's odd because labs are water dogs and usually looooove baths!!
@@Ash-hi5hy some like swimming, but don't like to be sprayed. And in the case of my pup (who loves being sprayed) she goes wild and it makes getting the job done a bit of a challenge because she thinks it's playtime. 😅
@@Ash-hi5hy swimming versus being sprayed are different. Unless introduced early to bathing/being sprayed, many “water dogs” react very differently. A friend had a dog who loved diving head first into the ocean to retrieve sticks, and had to be removed and leashed before she exhausted herself and drowned. But she thought she would die in a bathtub. Terrified.
@@ToastontheEastCoast I have a black hose and just do it in the back yard. The hose gets hot in the sun and warms the water (in fact, you can't do it late in the day or the water is too hot). Maybe you could try that?
You did an excellent job with Snow, Vanessa. He is who he is, which is STILL young. His owner seems to be very receptive to suggestions and it's CLEAR she loves him very much!! I hope you will continue to work with Snow to help him with his fear aggression and perhaps he WILL be able to overcome his fears. I also hope you're feeling better!! Much love from Western NY!
He's really still a puppy.
Hi 👋 I’m from WNY, too. 😊
@@cathycasuccio-ec4sw Hi! Always nice to meet a neighbor! 🤗💖
Definitely not a fail! Like you always say, get your dog used to the grooming process and from my own experience, that is 100% solid advice. You did a great job with Snow.
As a petsmart groomer I can safely say none of us are qualified for a situation like this. Some other groomers won't admit when they're beat, so I'm glad that groomer sent him home.
Petsmart groomers probably caused the issue since he was fine at first. Must have had a traumatic grooming session and now he responds like this.
@@moxbroker possibly. But dogs are like people, they can change drastically from kids to adults. And traumatic events aren't always the cause. My family had a dog named button who was fearless and willful as a pup, but was absolutely loved. A once she hit adulthood, she became fearful and extremely neurotic. Nothing changed in how she was treated. No traumatic events. She just grew into that behavior.
@@moxbroker wow that's a reach...idk what happened to YOU or your pets at petsmart but you really shouldn't generalize on things you have no clue could be true or not
It's possible he had a bad experience there. But it's also possible that he was always acting out but the groomers didn't say anything to the owner about it when he was still a smaller puppy and easy enough to handle.@@moxbroker
stay deluded@@Miztique
Props to Snow's owner for knowing their dog and being willing to work on his issues. And props to you Vanessa for having the patience and bravery to groom Snow.
I suspect the grooming sessions at PetSmart were far from ideal.
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It sounded like he did fine during his first ones. It is the last one that is questionable. I wonder if the last PetSmart groomer was very new to the job (or something) and did something that wound up traumatizing Snow, but they figured, "He'll get over it." 😔
Perhaps snow should have started grooming at puppy age. I think this comes from people getting dogs and not really knowing what to expect until it’s later in the dog years and then they realize well shoot I’m ready to take my dog to the groomer now and the dogs are just not used to it. Honestly It should be done at very early age of the dogs life not something that should be done later in doggy life. Obviously if she’s going to do this, she needs to take the dog more regularly and keep up with it if she’s going to keep going not just once in a while it needs to be on a schedule. So if she’s really set on getting her dog groomed, then I hope she continues and not just does it once a year or some thing because that’s not good for the doggy
@@unsystematicstuff912 You don't know what the dog was and wasn't put through as a pup. Plus it's a livestock guardian dog, not a lap dog.
Vanessa said he is one year of age and had been groomed three times before so he was groomed as a puppy. Later in the video you hear the owner say “three, six and nine” which sounds like a response to a question about how old he was for previous groomings. She said he was fine for the first two and then was a problem at the third. It sounds like something happened during that third grooming that traumatized him.@@unsystematicstuff912
Watching this you can’t fully get the full effect of what it is actually like having a powerful dog bark and bite at something in your hand. Those are two brave women! Much respect!
i know. one dog scared me so much i fell down on stairs and broke my leg when i was going to work. didn't know it was broken until 16 hours later when bruise was still hurting.
@@bojohannesen4352 are you for real? Do you watch this channel? Whiest!! Scottish for clamp you mouth shut. Vanessa is plenty of all the qualities to groom all dogs. She is savvy, ultra savvy, and knows when to walk away.
@@bojohannesen4352 my thoughts exactly when i watched this video.. There is no worse combo than a human who is afraid of dogs and an insecure dog.
Props to his owner for being willing/able to step in and help him to make this grooming experience a little less scary! 🙌🏼
I love the fact that you decided to bring the owner in to try and help calm the dog instead of just turning them away and also you decided to get creative with how you were going to soak the dog as not many groomers will try different ways of doing things before giving up.
Well it was either that or quit
Poor Snow. With a LOT of desensitization and training he could probably overcome his fear of grooming, but at some point you have to wonder if it's actually worth it to put the dog through that much stress if he doesn't need grooming that often anyway. I think you did the right things, and he came out cleaner than he came in, so that's a net win, even if it's a small one.
She has the wrong kind of dog. He's meant to be outside on a farm & his coat doesn't really need grooming. He's also a very powerful dog with primitive instincts for someone who doesn't really know dog psychology, in my opinion - not that I'm an expert, but I've studied & written about dog breeds.
I think the groomer was right to say it's not worth it to force him through a groom. She would do better to take him to a lake & let him swim off the dirt.
Exactly. Maremma and Akbash are THE most undomesticated breeds. Whoever decided to breed this mix was irresponsible in the first place. This poor dog should be out in the hill, miles away from urban everything, doing their job. Or with expert level owners ,who know how to scientifically de sensitise and socialise them, very slowly and carefully. My own 55kg Maremma was capable of both, but only because I a Veterinary Behaviourist. Would never trust him with complete strangers or kids though. These types of dogs are just not pet dogs. Owners should be knowledgeable enough to groom them properly every 2 days at home, and not expect them to cope with pro grooming, even with such a good pro groomer. This poor dog is not even basically socialised, no excuse at a year old already. Very few expert livestock guardian dog owners here in Europe , except for the pet bred Pyrenees, would ever expect their dogs to be safe with a groomer , without constant socialisation from 6 weeks old. LDG should not be pets.
@@AK-jt7kh Imagine the dog having to go through that crap? You would rather just let him swim off the dirt
I had to kind of do that with my dog, she hated being brushed. I started working with her in short sessions to get her more used to it because she trusts me and the last session at the groomers she was just an amazingly good girl. The time before, not so much and they told me about it.
@@slosh177 Now that's good use of your money and good health for your dog. Now go buy him something good with your extra money ❤
I was impressed not only with the care you took with Snow, but also the patient teaching with the owner, your friend. Everyone will be better for it.
Hi Vanessa, I once had a Newfie that could / would totally destroy a garden hose spray nozzle with one solitary "crunch!"
I accidentally discovered how to solve that when I stepped back onto the hose and the pressure dropped. At low pressuure he was Ok with it, weird. So i used low pressure for a while, 10 ~ 15 minutes, then slowly adding a little more pressure, so after about his third "home" grooming session he wasn't bothered with the high pressure, in fact he seemed to enjoy his back & butt being high pressure water blasted, in fact every time he sees me going for the hose he imediately gets into our outdoor bathtub. All the best from New Zealand.
Really appreciate Snow's owner helping out.
I know someone who used to work at PetSmart and they quit because they got tired of seeing the abuse some of the groomers/bathers would do to the dogs. One groomer PUNCHED a dog for not cooperating. I wouldn't be surprised if this dog has a good reason for forming a fear of being groomed.
Oh hell no. I would get that person fired. No abuse is allowed with me.
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That’s horrible!
Poor dog.
@@kittyyoutuber9Firing an abuser is horrible?
@@autumngalix4616read their post again...
@@autumngalix4616i think they were talking about the groomer punching a dog for not cooperating
You are literally the ideal groomer, and just the best human being. You take the time to understand the pets, but you also teach the owners. ❤
She really isn't a groomer who needs to make a profit as she doesn't charge for any grooming, so she has none of the typical issues.
Hopefully high pressure grooming salons can watch her videos and learn something because they don't have the time and resources she does to figure things out.
I also wonder about equip.inventions like what if they could makr a refillable sprinlkle can with a hole in bottom for refilling without spray or noise lol. Also a large hose attachable dryer for after the heaviest of drying for a disk like front with less force for fearful. Like they make for humans for curly wavy drying lol! Its brainstorming so don't yell haha not yet but maybe theres some possibe suggestions. lol !!
Totally agree. Vanessa is outstanding 👍👏
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@@lorirarich1875 One option for dogs scared of hoses is immersion- since a lot of dogs love to swim, it can be easier to get them to get _themselves_ wet, then soap them up, then get them to jump back in to rinse off, but there are problems with this. You need a large tub, and a large space to work in, and the rinsing can leave a little soap, which can cause irritation. They do make big machine driers that hang on kennel/cage doors, but they're still quite loud and scary to many dogs. Forcing them to be cornered while their scared can be cruel, and lead to even more fear-aggression.
I felt very sad actually for him-he loves his person and trusts her and probably is skeptical of Vanessa because he doesn't know her. His owner is very kind and obviously adores her fur baby.
But remember she mentioned he went to pet smart three times and the fourth he behaved like this which makes it so bizarre what triggered this change
@@FMeister94I wonder if he was roughly treated there 😞
Yeah it's really sad watching dogs get SO stressed out by people trying to help them.
@@FMeister94How many people are working at petsmart? Maybe three Times the person was fine with him, maybe the fourth Person was different? Who might know? Can't ask him... 😕
This is a case where the owner needs to figure out how to wash him herself. Especially if he only trusts her.
IF this is an outside dog/working dog, then he likely needs lots of grooming. I sure don’t see Vanessa or any other groomer doing this again and again and again. So this lady, as well intentioned as she is, better buy her a stool, muzzles, giant watering cans, maybe some medication…
I mean, all they have is body language, and they only have so many ways to say "I don't consent to this, please stop."
Oh bless Snow , he is so scared and panicked . You can see what an ordeal he finds it. Hats off to Vanessa and his owner for doing the best for him and reassuring him as best they could x
I love how caring you are to Snow even though he was so upset.
I wish I could see my dogs’s whole groom! I want see how he behaves. I walked in early last week and found out he sings the song of his people during the blow dry 😅
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showering your own dog and grooming them is a good way to bond with them, you should definitely try it once in a while
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Maybe he had a bad session at petsmart if he was good before I know my dog did
@@joaquincaceresguibovich3182yes but there's also things groomers or experienced people should do. And it's still good to get them used to it because anything can happen
I remember going to Petsmart a few years ago to pick up my in laws, dog. While I was waiting one dog was on a table with the leash above him and walked off the table and was literally hanging by his neck. Thankfully the groomer (who had walked away) turned back around and picked him back up, but she yelled at him like it was his fault. That was the moment I swore I’d never take my pets or encourage anyone I know to take their pets there.
Like that has never happened anywhere else! Petsmart is so visible because they allow people to watch..........and judge. How many private shops is anyone able to watch their pet be groomed?
@@kathleenmider152No groomer should scold the dog, no matter where it is or who is doing it. It's called respect.
The fact is no one is perfect in any profession. Like the comment mentioned....Petsmart is fully transparent so anyone can watch grooming. Also as was mentioned very few if any private shops allow anyone to watch. It is unacceptable at any shop to leave a dog on the table and walk away but making one groomers stupid mistake condemn all Petsmart groomers is just unrealistic. There are over 1000 Petsmart stores in the US and Canada. Considering how many groomers they employ they have an excellent record. I no longer work for them but I know all groomers go to school and are put to the test in all skills. Just sayin.....judge not lest ye be judged..that is unless youre the one person who makes no mistakes. In that case kudos......
@@kathleenmider152 Another person here commented that Petsmart does not give enough time to groom the dogs and that sometimes they have to groom multiple dogs at once. And that they always have to tell the owners that the dogs did well. So idk... I have no faith in big companies. They just want to make money for the stakeholders. Lying and treating the workers and clients like shit is nothing new. They just keep getting away with it by hiding stuff etc.
All I know is that in my own experience groomers for the most part cared. And if anything they are watched more closely. Hard to hide stuff in front of a big ass window
It was very informative to see the difference between the scared and aggressive bites Snow was doing to the nozzle vs the play bites, teeth tapping that the Husky was doing in one of the previous videos. The sounds were also very different, the howling and yowling of the Husky was not as fear inducing as the very scared and defensive barking of Snow.
It's also interesting to see how it actually took a decent amount of time for him to get to biting the hose nozzle. He backed away, he barked, he did like "air bites" before actually making contact. Vanessa obviously was deliberately pushing his limits, but he had a lot of signs that he wanted her to stop before he fully bit the nozzle. Vanessa obviously was deliberately pushing his limits. Not to say the behaviour isn't aggressive, obviously, but there's interesting dog body language on show.
@@Tazzie1312Have to desensitize them somehow
So appreciate how you recognized how scared he was, and tried different things to keep him calm, and finally decided to stop because he was so scared and stressed by the dryer. You value the animal's wellbeing more than finishing their groom and it shows how much you truly care about the animals in your care. Thank you for all that you do for animals like Snow, and for sharing the realities of grooming.
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Don’t understand why having a large drying kennel instead of subjecting stressed dogs to the noise. Maybe a better investment, initially for dogs like this.
@@Ketowski(I'm not an expert by any means, so this is a bit of a guess) but I think it's to do with
1: getting shedding hair out of the coat
2: drying the dog down to the skin
I can imagine that the create would take a while to dry down to the skin in the crevices.
This boy is in the place. Owner who is willing to do what he needs. An honest empathetic groomer. No punishment for being fearful.
but he didnt need to be groomed so how is it good to put him thru this? 0.o
@BenjoCovers literally what o.O
@@BenjoCovers There's not a dog on the planet that doesn't need an occasional grooming (they don't all get it but they all need it). With gentleness, patience, and repetition he can learn to deal and even enjoy the process.
@@BenjoCovers the owner said snow was slipping on the floor. He could hurt himself. He is not a wild animal. He is a domesticated dog. Every dog needs to be groomed occasionally.
maybe a trainee dit something in the last sessions
Poor boy seemed more scared rather than outwardly aggressive. The owner will have to work on desensitizing him to water and sounds.
He seemed skittish the moment he got in the shower, even before any water was involved.
I'm thinking past trauma with a bad grooming experience...
scared dogs are often outwardly aggressive. That just means feat is motivating the aggression as opposed to anger
Watching you groom and talk about all these livestock guarding dogs has helped me understand the issues we had with the brother and sister we adopted from a rescue group. They were Great Pyrenees that had been turned into a shelter for snapping at young grandchildren who were trying to take their dog bones . The shelter was going to put them down and they had been at the rescue for months because they wanted them to be adopted together. We had a difficult time with them until we convinced the rescue that the male dog needed a farm to be on where he had more space and work to do. Once he was gone the female seemed to let out a sigh of relief and settled down. She lived the rest of her life quietly in peace and comfort.
Hmm it’s like me when my ex boyfriend left
@@Liimiinaa lmaooo
Sounds like what happens when you leave a toxic dude.
Great Pyrenees can most definitely be a difficult breed! Not just because of them being livestock guard dogs, but also because they're absolutely huge! I have a friend who has a female Great Pyrenees, and when they walk past outside on their walks, it looks like he's out walking a small polar bear 😂 That dog is however totally amazing, so kind and docile (unless she spots an amstaff) so my friend has been super lucky with her considering what breed she is! When I meet them outside, she (the dog) often puts her head on my lap for snuggles (I'm an ambulatory wheelchair user who's mostly in wheelchair when outside) or she leans against my legs or chair, which is something she does when she trusts and likes someone. Absolutely amazing dog and stunning breed! But yeah, definitely not a breed for everyone and she's totally not the norm for her breed when it comes to her calm nature, even more so considering my friend lives in an apartment. My friend is an experienced dog owner, he's firm but gentle, working with positive reinforcement along with him being very calm in nature himself. He's often trusted with looking after other peoples dogs when owners are going on trips and can't bring their dog with them, his demeanor is in a sense very similar to Vanessa :)
pffff, women...
I wouldn't call this a fail. Snow was terrified, but he tried. He's still a baby, and Vanessa is a incredible groomer.
Agreed. You were still able to get some stuff done which is more than most groomers would be able to tolerate.
Big fail
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@@lennarthagen3638 a bath isnt a fail
I had a great pyrenees , very well trained , very sweet , and although very hairy , stated calm when groomed .
Kudos to mom for coming in to help you. With your patience and guidance, she now knows what kind of training she needs to work on so the next time won't be so difficult. He's a beautiful dog and is worth the time it will take to work on the training with him. Thanks Vanessa for your efforts and understanding.
@@bojohannesen4352you’re a bad dog. The fuck. He’s scared and need training that’s all.
I wonder what happened! His person said he was fine for a while and then suddenly not, which concerns me (injury, abuse or other pain). My honest recommendation for this owner would be to learn to groom him at home and invest in the blower
@@bojohannesen4352i hope you don’t have a dog if you’re this unwilling to understand them
I love how we're still using "SHAM WOW" as a description for highly absorptive materials
Two things - 1. I suspect if he was ok with grooming then all of a sudden not, that he had a terrible experience at the last one. 2. Reminds me of my first dog. He was a rescue and had an abusive/neglectful past and was a breed that required grooming. I took him to a few places that couldn't/wouldn't groom him and ended up having no choice but to learn to do it myself (including the hair cut) because he trusted me. It was still a struggle but I got it done and he looked funny the first couple of years but I got better! This owner will likely have to learn to do it all herself
Such commitment, you are amazing
bless you
My Pom looked funny after my mother tried grooming her. So what. She was clean! 😂
@@theresamark8220 They meant bad experience as in the dog was traumatized by something the groomer did.
@@siegejaymooniimaybe maybe not. As dogs age, they can develop fears they did not have as a younger dog or grew into the breeds disposition.
My question is: What happened at his last grooming at PetsMart that made his attitude towards grooming do a 180?
Because if he was perfectly fine for the first three, but the fourth one suddenly went horribly, I sincerely doubt that nothing happened to trigger that behavior.
The only thing I can think of, outside of the groomer doing something, is Snow may have accidently gotten hurt or at 9 months he was feeling that teenage testosterone and stubbornness both of these breeds are prone to.
I have to agree. Something went wrong. For Snow to after that nozzle so aggressively was not normal. He was literally afraid of it.
The way he was acting I would say that the “groomer” at PetSmart had hit him with the hose or the dryer or both.
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My question exactly, and whatever it was, it was bad.
When training my yearling stallion to have his feet cleaned, I took several months, working very slowly. When I reached the point when he would automatically pick up his feet and let me clean them, the farrier for the boarding barn showed up and I decided it was time for my little guy to have his feet trimmed. It took less than 3 minutes to undo all my work.
Not only was the farrier rough, but he yelled and pulled hard on my horse's leg. I stopped him immediately, but the damage was done. It took another month for me to get back to where where we'd been.
Snow is most likely a very sensitive dog. Whatever happened to him during that 4th grooming session was, for him, a trauma. Sad and preventable.
Snow is lucky because you tried to groom him and you educated his owner on things she could work on with him.
This was such a tough one, but props to you for sticking it out and truly doing all you could to give the dog the best care necessary!! Patience beyond Godly!!
This is a heartbreaking groom to watch. Poor Snow. He really doesn’t understand what’s going on. You are incredibly kind and understanding of his anxiety. When pups get that scares they can injure themselves (and of course you too). Seems like he needs lots of exposure and positive experiences with grooming. Seems like something happened in a previous groom based on what the owner said. He did such a great job when his human helps. ❤
Having worked at a shelter for a few years, I'm not scared of any type of dog... but I'd have walked away from this dog ... you're so patient!
Beautiful Snow. He was not having it until mommy came back! Vanessa patience with Snow ❄️ is Fantastic!
He tried to bite his "mommy" and Vanessa had to tell "mommy" that she should step back away from doggy.
@@rhodes-diversity Yes he did but he was so scared. I think overall he did quite well.
Aww you can tell he felt so much better after his mommy got there. You can just tell he is so loved by her because you can literally see him relax as she is rubbing the shampoo on him.
I remember this rottie I worked with, He was fine getting in the tub but once that water came on he was terrified. Experimenting revealed it was the sound of the pressurized water that scared him. It took many sessions of getting him used to the sound, then the feel of water on his paws before he'd allow us to groom him. Thank you for not just giving up on this guy.
This young boy in the video acts very much like my Anatolian in this situation -- although she's even crazier. Akbash and Karabash are just different critters than normal, modern dog breeds. And mixing some Maremma, another LGD, probably doesn't help much.
Poor baby was so scared. I love watching how patient you are working with him, and his owner clearly loves him very much to come right back and help with him
It also shows what a good owner she is that poor little Snow loves and trusts her even when she is inflicting soap and water on him!
I’ve noticed a lot of pets get freaked out by spraying water, I just pour water on them with a cup but that watering can was smart and good idea. I’ll have to try it
My trick is to start at the butt end and move towards the front to introduce them to the water. Most of them hate getting their heads wet but are pretty chill about the rest of their body getting a shower. That also means they get soapy butt rubs, which are a good time for a dog. By the time I get to their chest they're quite relaxed, so then I rinse them in the opposite direction, head to tail.
My dog is hugely freaked out by hoses and avoids sprinklers. For years we bathed her just fine by pouring water from bowls over her after running a bath. I've got her to be okay with a shower head on a hose that you plug into the water pipe, sometimes you just gotta work around their fears :)
Our dog was terrified of baths. He'd just tremble throughout, though he was never aggresive.
Ye our just use the old garden hose xD
You should never force him as long as you did with the dryer either.
Honestly, reading the dog's body language, he doesn't seem AGGRESSIVE so much as he seems SCARED. He definitely was trying to get away when she was spraying the hose....he wasn't growling or biting her. It was a fear response because he felt uncomfortable. I DO respect the groomer for having enough sense to realize that he was very scared and she respected his limits (like the spray of the hose) and she was a bit out of her element and she asked his owner for help. That's the sign of an excellent groomer. She didn't try to force him and traumatize him just to get the job done.
It’s more so that fear can become aggression because it’s the only way the dog knows how to protect itself in that moment. Some dogs shut down, others lash out. It depends on the extent of the problem. I know a dog who’s so afraid of humans because of her past that she lashes out in fear of what might happen
even if this was not a full groom, you found a lot of his triggers (like hoses) that can help him slowly become easier to groom. Not pushing him and just giving him a good shampoo sometimes is the best, because it will build that trust. Glad the owner was able to help out as well. Good luck with teaching Snow!
I'm sure that someone else has already mentioned this, but most dogs go through a fear stage at about 7-9 months and then again at 12-16 months. In this period, they can be extra fearful and, more importantly, can cement those fears firmly in place. It's why when you're socializing a young dog, it is so vital that every planned exposure ends on a good note and is as controlled and stress free as possible. They're literally learning what to be afraid of. If his first two grooms went fantastic and his last one (at 9 months) suddenly went wrong, I'd bet money on *something* happening and his brain just took it and cemented it into place. It is possible to work them through those fears, but it is hard. Especially with a LSG. That said, if anyone has the patience and know how to help this owner through Snow's grooming block, it is you. You both got this!
This is what I was thinking. And possibly nothing bad even happened. In my pup's fear period he started barking at all strangers after being a fearless and friendly little guy. No reason, just the stage. He largely got over it, thank God, it got super annoying when he'd yell his head off at someone for looking at him.
ohh interesting! My cat was excited to see the fireworks when he was a kitten and then one year he suddenly started being terrified by them. I know you're talking about dogs, but that would explain many of my cat's behaviors!
Can confirm, my 8mo confident and fearless pup is now scared of things, even stuff he knows like passing bins or a random big stick in a park that wasn't there the day before.
True. And those developmental stages seem to vary from dog to dog. It's important to know about them and even then it's difficult to make that association when things start to go south. I believe they can be worked through, but the owner needs to be aware of the growth stages and have some idea about safe and effective ways to help the dog through them. My youngest boy had a strong fear response to fireworks--when he was 2 1/2. Wait, wuh?? He'd heard them at 6 months, at a year and a half and no issues. I took my cues from my older dog and yawned, didn't react or get upset or sympathetic and did not go on that ride with the younger boy. He fretted that night and kept looking at the two of us like we were crazy. He's past 4 1/2 now and never repeated it.
Thank you for explaining this. I just wanted to ask how it was possible to get 3 good grooms and suddenly scared. I'm a bit wiser now.
You handled this well, Vanessa. I saw the side eye he was *repeatedly* giving you and he was absolutely in a state of panic/distress at multiple points during this groom. Given that he is a young dog (he's technically a bratty teen. Some large dogs don't mature both physically and mentally until they are 3 yrs old or older!), the owner could work with him to counter-condition him to the sounds/feelings/etc. of grooming. But it will be a long haul, as this is an independent breed. Unsure if you have experienced trainers in your area that can work with dogs such as this? To learn what his "happy"s are and train using that? He clearly was beyond the point of accepting treats - too much into the fight/flight mode. I didn't see if he was neutered, but neutering would help if he is not. Best of luck to the owner! I had Akitas for 20+ years. They did not like grooming either.
I got th MAREMMA, .. sheepdog , originated in Italy, & as are all herding , protective, suspicious of strangers,. Are 2 types Akita, American & Japanese Akita Inu, all should be started grooming early age. Dense double coat, dead shed hair must be removed. I had German shredders. 😝( Germ Shep) never stop shedding !
What was other ?? Oshkosh ..?
Maybe put a very calm old sheep in there with him.
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Thank you for putting the comfort and safety of the dog at the foremost. Too many individuals would put their pride and need to prove they can do what others can't at priority. I appreciate how much compassion you have for the animals in your charge.
You're amazing! As another canine professional I am so tired of watching some people try to "force the dog to submit". Forcing a terrified dog to do anything only increases the stress and sets up long term trauma..... But Girl- you rock!
With these groomings, I am also learning a lit about us humans. We are social "animals" but we treat a lot of our own people way worse that we would treat an animal who is scared. We have a lot to learn to treating our own pets...
Nah, treating a dog like a kid is the dumbest thing you can do with them. Letting a dog snap at you so you can slowly desensitize them, only works if your dog isn't an immediate risk.
My dog bit me once during her first bath. I absolutely punished her for that shit. I'm not going to let a human hurt me. I'm not going to let my dog think it's acceptable to bite me just because she's upset either. I don't care if they're scared or mad. (Unless it was a complete surprise, and the fear is warranted. )
I continued on with the bath and she learned to deal with it. Then she started loving it. This is why a lot of dogs are wild as hell. You try to be their friend and you don't set boundaries the way the leader would do.
@WadeAlma I start training my dogs with brushing before I attempt to bathe them. With just brushing, they learn that I'm not going to hurt them, but I'm also not going to give up if they wriggle or try to run. They learn to just let me get on with it. Then they do the same when I bathe them. No running , no jumping, no barking, no growling, no song of their people. They just stand there and let me get on with it. The huskies know I'm more stubborn than them.
@WadeAlma you shouldn’t have a dog. Animals & children remember. Your dog remembers too. Don’t kid yourself that he doesn’t. The damage you’ve already done will take months - and someone with more kindness empathy & understanding than you have to reverse. This dog groomer, the dog, & the dog’s owner absolutely did the right things. Now everyone knows where they are. Soon this lady’s dog will have no problems, from love trust & respect the dog will learn & give love respect & trust in return. Bravo doggie, doggie’s owner & dog groomer.
@@malaikakambon6636 Oh please. Did you know dogs snap and bite each other took? Bet they require years of therapy to solve.
Only an absolute clown thinks it's acceptable to let a dog snap at people.
And guess what. I left my dog over at a other person's house for 2 weeks. I got praises because she's so well behaved when bathing. The results speak for themselves. Not a single bite on a dog or child or adult since her first bath.
My dog is always complemented when compared to other dogs. No barking/yapping. No aggression. No people fear either. And she doesn't flinch when I move quickly towards her either.
Also this dog in the video is absolutely going to bite someone because nobody taught it not to immediately bite when scared.
This makes me feel so much better about my own livestock guardian dog and his behaviors. They can be so intense and determined! Thank you for sharing this.
I told the vet don't let my LGD see you lock the door on the cage. She'll open the cage when your back is turned. The vet ignored me and Annie got out and had an extra meal then didn't get spayed until the next day.
I'd say this is a success story. You both did your best and left him with an ok experience. I'm sure he'll get better as time goes on.
Snow was terrified. Vanessa and Snow's mom did a great job comforting him. Makes me think someone at PetSmart was unkind.
I kinda wondered that too, because how did he make it through 3 groomings and now is suddenly like this
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Hormones! Even if he's neutered, he's no longer a baby and will defend himself if he feels he must, although the danger is only his perception. It's certainly possible that a groomer was unkind, but not at all necessary to explain the change in his behavior. He may simply have grown up to be what he is, an ancient livestock guardian breed.
He did a lot better with his owner present. Seems like a good strategy for a few more sessions until he has built up enough trust and has learned that nothing bad will happen to him. He's still young. It would be great to see more videos of him in the future and see his progress.
I love that, even though this was a stressful situation, you never blamed the dog. It's not his fault he's scared and you just felt sorry for him, really wish everyone had your love and patience for animals 💜 If I ever need a dog groomer I hope they're as kind as you are.
Massive respect for you, girl, and your public spirit. Your careful explanation of how fear can affect a dog teaches people that a biting dog needs to be addressed and remedied, but doesnt always need to be put down. And kudos to your boyfriend/cameraman who's so supportive of your work and asks for no glory. 🫂🫂🫂 For BOTH of you!
Ive watched so many videos of yours that are so chill and wholesome. This boy was anxiety educing and a little scary. Was really cool to see this side of your work as well. What % of your appointments are like this, I wonder?
Baby steps. I love how you encouraged Snow to go a little farther than he was comfortable...but didn't push for him to accept everything. Hopefully over time y'all can encourage him farther.
My mom was dropping our dog off at PetSmart once to get groomed and witnessed a groomer being very mean and hostile to the dog they were grooming. She was in the process of paying and decided to take her time looking for her wallet, so she could observe more of this groomer. It got so bad that she ended up cancelling the appointment. She said she left there in tears and filed a complaint.
I don't find it difficult believing you knowing that pet smart is pretty famous for abusing animals and putting them in trash cans
Those corporations, Petsmart, Petco, are not ideal places, some are apprentices, amateur, & are done in assembly line, ...a bather, clipper, scissor work, stressful for dog for so many different ones . They're bought in morning, left caged, unattended on tables, while doing another, .. death have occurred..
I get the feeling that pet smart isn’t that great for grooming. I watch a youtuber that takes her dog to them and they mess up his cut majority of the time. Are they truly trained and professionals or just store hires?
@@marlenejennifer3514 just in it for th money, overbook, & are done in a hurry, .. U don't need a degree to bathe, like dishwashers, but need experience for breed specific groom, like poodles, scnauzers( I hate th way they do them , "skirts" left on halfway up, like half assed groom, is not proper way , as I groomed show scnauzers for show) Some are apprentices, amateurs, practicing on your dog,.. & clip nails too short, & bleed, clipped burns, from blades getting too hot, cut dogs.
She should have called the police and saved the dog not walk away and leave the dog with the abuser for gods sake !!
seeing the owner being so loving and helpful makes me so happy. rly shows hes a loved dog :,)
Him biting at the tools was most definitely a fear aggression memory response so something went really wrong with him before…
The owner said that the dog went to Petsmart to be groomed 3 times...at the last visit, his behavior changed. I'd ask for the surveillance video! Something bad may have happened at Petsmart. His behavior during grooming was normal until the last grooming...get the footage!
He’s clearly scared of loud sounds. Thank you for giving him a chance and not labeling him and “troubled boy”. I think with proper training and exposure therapy he will be eventually great to groom ♥️
Idk about that. She used the hose on the ground next to him, he only freaked out when the hose hit him.
@@pedroz1540 They were saying they didn't think he was afraid of loud sounds since the hose would be loud if it hit the floor or on him andhe only freaked outwhen the hose was watering him. smh
reading comprehension smh@@pedroz1540
I'm always so pleased at how upfront you are with your clients, it's the first step to fixing a problem.
Im really wondering what happened during his last groom. As the owner said, it was all fine before but they sent him back during the last... I wish the owner and dog all the best! He seems like a smart and gentle dog. I wonder what terrified him so much in the past
Could be he just got older and stopped just giving warnings (that the previous groomers had not seen) and started delivering bites.
I am wondering if, when he got older, her took responsibility for his job, which made him wary of thing coming at him like an attack?
Me too. We've taken in many rescued animals and it was clear that they too perhaps had some bad experiences. We have a female Sheltie that had been traumitized by someone or something. It took 2 months for her to find her voice and we were thinking that maybe she just doesn't bark. She came to us scared stiff so lots of love and praise she finally came out of her shell. She's the sweetest dog we've ever had.💕
he's in his teen years.
I worked at a groomer at pet smart for a short time amd i wonder if the fact that she only has one dog in the shop at a time is a big help for reactive dogs. At petsmart it was so fuckin stressful becuase theres always like 5-10 dogs barking and whining in their kennels all the time.
I always thought it was a bad environment both for the workers and the dogs.
You have the patience of a saint & voice of an angel. Even when telling a dog .that’s not acceptable. I greatly admire your work 💖👵🏻👩🌾❣️
Thank you Vanessa for sharing this groom. This shows that groomer is not an easy job, and can be a dangerous one when the dog is scared. It can even more dangerous if you can't recognize the signs, because you can clearly see that these bites were not jokes. I hope your high velocity dryer has spare nozzles
At least it wasn't HER that was bitten.
Good call, you could tell he was stressed as hell. Something tells me something tramautic happened at the PetSmart, not saying it was on purpose, but it struck me as odd as when she commented that he was fine the first two visits, the one visit is when he was scared.
Wow he was super stressed! Great call telling owner to back up Snow seemed a bit irrational at that moment. Absolutely great job & very responsible owner.
Poor man, he’s so scared. You are so awesome with youre understanding and patience xxx
As a certified dog trainer who does R+, I love this episode! You took the apporiate steps to keep things LIMA... going slow and steady and what a great momma for swooping in and listening to the professional when things got super tough. Way to go helping this baby through a stressful process.... hopefully mom gets some cooperative care and consent work going to help Snow, along with a Baskerville muzzle for training!
What is lima
@@TheHighbornLeast Intrusive, Minimally Aversive
@@EleanorofAquitaine42 thanks.
For anyone reading, keep in mind that a Baskerville muzzle is NOT bite-proof. A dog that is very driven to bite can and will get their teeth through it. You want a wire basket muzzle if you have a serious bite risk dog! Baskervilles are cheap, so they make for great training tools, but should not be relied on for a dog that is very determined to bite.
What is R+?
Nozzle: Instrument of death!
Watering Can: Huh, funny rain.
I just wanted to say, I saw your video earlier this week and we planned to give our husky a bath and he’s terrible with the tub. We just filled it and used buckets to wash him and he was 15x times better than he’s ever been.
Keep making these videos and we will keep watching them.
Thanks again.
Yeah the noise and pressure can be unsettling since it's not very natural
They did an amazing job. I’m so glad the friend/pet parent was okay with getting in and helping! When a pup is that scared it really does probably help to have your person there. The person you trust
I can understand why LGDs arent as friendly. They're bonded to their herd not people as much. Especially strangers.
They’re also extremely protective and assess everything for threat potential as that is their breeding.
My LSG loves everyone - especially children ❤ It's not the breed as much as the way they are raised...
@@anthonysilvestri4946 LGD is a livestock guardian dog, they can be any breed, it's how they are bonded that makes a difference.
@@anthonysilvestri4946 it's not a breed, it's a class of breeds
@@anthonysilvestri4946Sometimes dogs just turn out strange or aggressive even with proper rearing. Especially dogs with a lot of personality and independence like this
I love dogs and we introduce our dogs to grooming at an early age. Some dogs, like people, have phobias that are hard to overcome.Until I watched your videos, I thought “ what a fun and stress free job grooming must “. I have acquired a true respect for your profession and I always ensure my groomer is well compensated when we pick up our dogs .
You’re amazing with these animals. Truly a gift! thank you for showing and teaching us. 🐶😊
Thanks
The side eye he kept giving you as you were shaving his paws. 😅. I hope every groomer is as patient and caring as you, hopefully with time he gets used his grooming. ❤
Hi 👋🏾 Vanessa! I really love watching your videos. So relaxing and informative. Oh poor Snow was not happy but as always, you’re so gentle and kind.
Am I the only one to appreciate the epic side eye (14:19 ) from this particular canine icon? But also ; I find the work you do most admirable. I don't even have a dog lol, just a couple/few cats that object to my goals of other fur-friends. Still I'm enthralled by every video and just so happy for each and every pooch. Side note: Greetings from NY. The similarities in our N/American Italian upbringings is astounding btw (based on your stories anyway). And love your Nonna. (Makes me miss mine). Salud to you & yours! 🥂
Definitely saw it. The mother of all side eyes lol😂
The way you care about these furbabies is amazing. No matter how they try getting under your skin 💕
i love the way he accepts his fate when his mama comes in 😂
A difficult groom handled with professionalism, empathy and with the dog's best interest and safety in mind. Sounds like a groom gone right to me.
Disagree 1000%. There was zero empathy in this video. No one knows what trauma this dog experienced with water expulsion devices like a hose with a gun attached. But "Girl with the dogs" did not do this dog any favors when she continued to point the water gun at the dog minutes after the dog protested. Then she continued to speak, on camera and in front of this dog in an authoritative, clinical voice tone that does nothing to comfort the dog. This is why I cannot get behind these videos. If she really wanted to groom this dog, she might have considered removing the water gun so she's dealing with a steady stream of water out of a hose. No noise, nice, predictable stream of water that can help rinse soap.
There is zero attempt to make a connection with the dog in this video. All of you simps lapping up this video have zero connection to an actual unfamiliar dog and what it takes to earn their trust. This RUclipsr treats these animals like a transaction.
@@ForceFedWhat's your experience grooming dogs? Are you also a dog groomer?
@@vesuvius2444 You don't have to be an animal groomer to see when an animal is uncomfortable. You also don't have to be an animal groomer to establish a connection with animals where they will trust you. So miss me with your "gotcha" attempt.
@@ForceFed She did remove the water gun. She did the entire bath with a watering can. Did you stop watching?
@@ForceFedIt's very easy to criticize from the sidelines. It's another thing to actually do it. You can't even answer questions correctly. But keep pretending you could have done better.
Snow seems like an excellent LGD, just clearly a very stressed out and concerned boy! really appreciate your patience and the owner's willingness to help her dog. He seems well taken care of otherwise! Hope we can get a "redemption" ep for Snow once he learns more about the muzzle :)
@@heyyo7708 Yes, he's not a typical LGD. He should not be bred.
@@heyyo7708🤡
An excellent LGD wouldn't be aggressive outside of his property. This dog either hadn't been socialized properly, or he has some sort of mental disorder, or it's simply bad breeding. A dog this large is highly dangerous when it's afraid. He is very pretty but his behavior is still entirely unacceptable.
Edit: for clarity
I love the fact that you have so much empathy for the dog and you remain calm and affectionate and loving but still firm that the groom will get done❤️❤️❤️ great work❤️❤️❤️
You were so understanding of his fear, and he loves his owner so much it was lovely to see so much respect.
I’m glad you show these videos. It’s a great visual for dog owners and groomers. You’re incredible!!
So glad his mom was able to help. He loves momma ❤️
I really appreciate all the education on the different breeds.
Maremmasheepdog originated in Italy, & Akbash from Turkey,.. Is sometimes mixed w/ Turkish Kangal. This dog be all white , looks be more MAREMMA.
Another compassionate and knowledgeable groom. It's always so heartwarming to watch the way you put the dogs best interest and, of course, groomer safety first. Sorry you're sick. I hope you feel better very soon.
I hope you feel better soon and Hugs and cuddles to Snow he's so beautiful. You are a great dog Snow love you.
You are a remarkable human being. I know it is stressful for you when a dog is stressed. You are amazing at observing a learning as you proceed and then adjusting. I have seen undercover videos of groomers that are abuseive to dogs. I hope you are well compensated for remarkable kindness, patience and professionalism.
I watch the videos with captions on, because it's often very funny. When Snow was singing the song of his people, the caption appearing was "[Music]" 😂.