who the hell is gonna choose Mufasa over Sonic 3? putting Mufasa at the same day when Sonic 3 airs is such a Dumb decision its Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing baby
100 years goku is the og ssgss. Second coming Goku is Goku- Even in the Cooler Movie, his super saiyan form ascended to revive the dead- out of the purity of his righteousness. He revived that dead bird just cause it was unrighteous that it died
Perfect, literally couldn't make a better video on this topic. The statements of gogeta are literally about him when he appears. Which is why is never been a discussion for me. Tackled it form every point of veiw needed. Subscribing for this one
@ He really is, even if you discount filler, there’s still a bunch of shit that get him above Cell Saga tiers including from Guides Toriyama himself said to read for some context. Also there's the fact Shin believed they needed Team up against Yakon even after seeing SSJ2 Gohan while Goku in Base was keeping pace with and only needing SSJ just to light the room up.
@@SonZackSSJ9kEven discounting Fillers, in the manga Dabura is said to be on the same level as Cell (and Goku knows the power of Super Perfect Cell) and even so, neither he nor Vegeta seem threatened by that power. You can say that at that point Goku had SSJ3, but he would never use the form in non-emergency circumstances. Furthermore, Vegeta himself says that if Gohan didn't kill Dabura, he would kill him immediately, and since he and Goku made light of their power, I doubt they would even need to transform to kill Dabura. At most, they would use SSJ1 and even then they would probably one-shot him.
False. What's Gogeta feat? Tanking Omega attacks? Goku change state did the same thing. after that, he show to being able to travel into places that normally no one would be able to do, and in the GT Special he shows the power to granth wishes. End of GT Goku has better feats.
@@Unremarkable6969 we finna scream "LIVE AND LEARN! HANGING ON THE EDGE OF TOMORROW! LIVE AND LEARN,ON THE WORKS OF YESTERDAYYY!! LIVE AND LEARN,IF YOU BEG OR IF YOU BORROW ! LIVE AND LEARN,YOU MAY NEVER FIND YOUR WAYYYY!" When movie 3 is out🗿🗿🗿🗿
Good job with this video There are many examples of goku surpassing his fusion like for instance base top goku can argued to above vegito blue from the goku black saga Another instance is goku by the end of the Moro arc is stated to be the strongest in the universe along with vegeta meaning the surpassed fpssj broly who needed gogeta blue defeat they then go on to get many times stronger fighting the 2 people who wished to be the strongest In the universe which would include broly which would just them far above gogeta blue level at this point
that's too much cuz the gap in scaling of dbs is far greater than what u saw in the vid (GT) , GT goku surpassing GT gogeta in 100 years is more consistant that base goku surpassing vegito blue in 2 arcs.
There’s several training rates you can go for goku going from a power level of 300 to 9000 just training in otherworld for a year is a 30x increase per year. Goku training with gohan in the hyperbolic time chamber during the cell saga lowkey implies that he has the capacity to surpass his super saiyan form in base form after 1 year of training, while yes goku was training with gohan, remember goku was actually valuing rest and spending time with gohan while also training him for cell. So you can argue that him having a training partner isn’t even the relevant. But this would make goku get 50-500x stronger every year. Or use Goku going from 8000 to 90000 off of 1 zenkai boost and 6 days of training. A near 10x results per week. Goku is ridiculous. But I think the most telling thing that kind of just makes this an open and shut case is that an ascended gt Goku was making omega shenron panic noticeably more than ssj4 gogeta ever did. Which makes base gt Goku even before the 100 year timeskip bare minimum scale above ssj4 gogeta. People need to realize Goku surpassing his ssj4 form in base is very common Throughout gt, so surpassing a ssj4 metamorphan fusion(a ssjblue amp by the way as shown in dbs broly, as Goku and Vegeta had to go blue to keep up with ssj broly while base gogeta is stylin on ssj broly) is not only impressive but cements ascended gt Goku to be far stronger than ssj4 gogeta
Really great video you did there, we need more people like you in the scaling community that can actually scale hopefully you channel will grow bigger so you can show your powerscaling btter too the people around the world
I can't lie, part of the reason I started making videos on Power Scaling was because I was frustrated with the current meta of Power Scaling on RUclips.
@Unremarkable6969 exactly they were just so many wrong things people said or still say nowadays and one of those reasons are sadly that people in general don't know they shows they are scaling and just absorb the things people say on the internet and the internet wasn't a best place too know powerscaling in the 2010(fuck death battle)
Hello, it's me once more! At 6:14, as explained in the video, the statement of the guidebook claims that the power of the Potara Fusion is Battle Power A multiplied by Battle Power B. While not exactly wrong, there is a slight mix-up. So,「ではなく」there was used as "Instead of A, but B," but a secondary usage is, "not just A, but B". Fusion also gets this same treatment via the phrase「かけ合わせた」which can mean either "combine" or "multiply," but it more likely combine. So, the sentence would be "The power-up through the fusion is so tremendous, that it's not just the sum of the fusees' battle power but something as amazing with 'multiplication'!" or something similar. Maintaining the consistency of (A + B) × C Go to replies for extra info.
I didn't want to make the comment messy, so I felt it deserved its own comment. In the anime, during Goku's persuasion to have Vegeta fuse with him via the Potara Earrings, the subtitles make a mistake by translating his line as "That's right, our powers will be multiplied together!" In both the original TV series and Kai. This is due to 「掛ける」 which is translated as multiply, but it is NOT as simple as just "multiply" In its essence 「掛ける」= "make connection between things", which is why the neutral state of the term in English is typically "hook" or "hang" To provide examples on how 「掛ける」is used, here are a few sentences with different context: 1. 電話で友達と話を掛けた。 (I reached out to a friend over the phone to talk) 2. 数字を掛けて、結果を計算した。 (The numbers were multiplied in order to calculate the end result) 3. 時間が掛かることでも、最終的に成功するだろう。 (Even if it takes time, we will ultimately succeed) In all the examples I've provided, 「掛ける」was never consistently used as "multiply," so it is more than likely that 「掛ける」here means "combine" as it is emphasized by 「合わせる」; "fuse/combine" rather than 「計算」; "calculate" which is what gives rise to "multiply". So, the translation is: ２人の力が掛け合わされて (When both of our powers combine together) とんでもねえ パワーを持った戦士が生まれるんだ｡ (Then a warrior with outrageous power will be born)
I mean goku can just kinda frant wishes after the timeskip cause he fuses with shenron, shown in goku jrs story where he revives pan and the other guy, also he appear from the dragons ball basically. People dont think he went to the afterlife but a place beyond that cause of some interviews, where is beyond that idk
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah he's legit broken. He even has the powers of the dragon balls which means he can wish for anyone to be erased from existance or bring them back to life (like what he did in the movie)
He doens't fuse with shenron, it has something todo with the Taoist religion, Goku is based off of a Taoist. People that ascend into a higher plane get taken there by a dragon. Goku basically ascended to a God status.
Not to sound like a nerd here, but I also believe that it's important to know whether Goku was training seriously or not. As that can change how much stronger Goku became after the 100-year timeskip.
Well, Ultra Instinct Goku is stated to be stronger than Beerus in the anime, and Beerus is debatably stronger than Arale. So there's an argument for late DBS Goku being stronger than Arale as well.
@Unremarkable6969 yea, i dont think they dont have 6D scaling to reach her. Whis and other angels probably do beat her though. But an argument for mui goku surpassing a character that is objectively weaker than base gt goku in episode 1 doesnt look good for dbs
Issue with Beerus when he tried to attempt to kill Aarle he himself got hit with a gag. So idk if Beerus actually beats Aarle, remembered hearing Aarle had fate manipulation. @@OldFolkz
I always found the statement of Vados a bit odd. For instance, if we applied the the formula; (1+1)×100, on Kefla, she should theoretically be as strong as SSJ2 Caulifla, yet in just her base she displayed to be more powerful than both girls at full power.
Bro amazing vid but i gotta say After goku rises after hes believed to be dead after taking omegas attack that need ssj4 gogeta to kick it away he rises with the universal spirt bomb and takes another of omegas attacks to the chin Unscathed so i believe when goku rose up again he was equal to or stronger then ssj4 gogeta and another thing end of GT vegeta tells pan Goku is going to a place she will never be able to so i don't think its the afterlife and he also legit fused with the dragon ball we not gon talk bout how the balls disappeared into his skin as he rode off with shenlong
All of the interviews and statements imply that Goku went to some sort of dragon realm. This realm is straight up superior to the entire dragon ball cosmology. And he would also be training with all the eternal dragons. So it's most likely that those 100 years of training are the most effective. Either way this Goku is immortal and transcends the entire dragon ball cosmology. He is literally portrayed as god of the verse.
Okay. Unremarkable could you try to make a video doing a analysis on super goku and try to analyze where he stands in power? Like does he beat GT goku? Or does he get slammed like a pancake?
@@Unremarkable6969 there was an "official timeline" where before Dragon Ball Super was a thing but after Battle of Gods was made, BoG and GT were placed on the same timeline, which is what I believe they're referring to.
This is a long read, but I wanted to point things out! TL;DR: GT Gogeta is above Xeno Gogeta, Xeno Gohan, and any Heroes characters by the point of the Dark King Mechikabura Saga. GT is also above the Battle of Gods movie as GT takes place after BoG, according to Toei Animation. I think there was also a statement from the GT Perfect Files stating that SS4 Gogeta is “The strongest warrior in the entire universe, and in every dimension”. This gets further confirmed in the Heroes Manga where a being known as Fin goes to the GT timeline and absorbs SS4 Gogeta, becoming Dark Gogeta. Dark Gogeta is confronted by Xeno SS4 Gogeta and Xeno SS4 Gohan. Dark Gogeta has the upper hand in the entire fight, but GT Gogeta suddenly awakens and states that he was using Fin’s power as a “test run” against the other version of himself, effortlessly forcing Fin off of him and calling him weak. This implies that GT Gogeta is on par with Xeno characters outright. Promotional material for Heroes also confirms that the GT we see in the manga is the same GT Anime. Also, according to Toei Animation, the Battle of Gods movie takes place in the Z anime timeline between the “blank”period of Z and GT. Meaning it takes place after the End of Z but also before the start of GT.
@@Ninjaguy3128Well that would apply gt in heroes, not the original anime. Cc Goku is just dbs Goku after the TOP, but people consider him his own character.
No? Statements done within a non-canon continuity are not applicable to the Canon continuity nor a Separate Non-canon continuity with it's own isolated story. There's no one in Dragon Ball OG, Z, GT or Super that is stronger than any high tier fighter from Super Dragon Ball Heroes. The GT timeline in SDBH isn't canon to The actual run of the DB GT series. They're separate Non-canons. Due to the Beats world transcendence and the Sub-space argument, The likes of Xeno Goku in base alone, outscales everything from Dragon Ball, excluding other High tiers from SDBH. GT Gogeta from the GT anime is immeasurably weaker than GT Gogeta from the SDBH Continuity, and they're not even remotely comparable in powerscaling. One has arguments for 5D scaling, the other has straight up Outerversal scaling. Same goes for the likes of CC Goku, who's is Goku from Super within the "Canon" of SDBH, but in terms of the Super anime, the events of SDBH has never happened and will never happen. No one in OG, Z, GT or Super is comparable to SDBH, and they never will. The scaling in SDBH is too absurd. Super is the only continuity left, and the odds of it reaching such levels are slim to none. Also important to remember, Statements are only as valid as far as the feats to support it. The real TL;DR is that DBGT and SDBH are not interchangeable, they are not canon to eachother, and feats of characters seemingly from the GT continuity within SDBH, is not the same version of the character from the DBGT Anime.
@@A_literal_supernova nah yamcha solos, krillin solos, tien solos, mr satan solos, batman solos, the entire earth populations of dc and marvel individually, 1v1 all of them one at a time can likely beat Homelander, actually.
@SonicKirbo to be honest homelander is weird to scale since He could scale up to city block level to city level so I do quite alot of people for example for example ben 10 weaker aliens for example who don't have special abilities or good enough intelligence to deal with homelander, he probably beats shin godzilla since shins durability and physical speed isn't all that impressive to be honest.
@ if you're on homelander's level and you fight homelander, most of the time you just win, since he's too stuck up his own ass and used to being above everyone that when something is actually threatening he can't deal with it
The big problem is that goku and vegeta didn't fuse more which is stupid because it comes in handy against foes like kid buu,omega shinron who are way stronger than their most powerful attacks.
Second comment otherworlds training wouldn't be enough to satisfy goku to be honest, with especially with how crazy gt goku already was in gt by itself also it would make since that goku went to a higher realm since otherworld wouldn't cut it for goku training overall, another thing to mention is that it has to be a magical or mystical realm of wish granting dragons that he gone to.
Imo I think fusion scales on either 1 of 2 things 1. base PL of 1 side x base PL of the other (or in other words 100 x 100 if we assumed both partners had a pl of 100) 2. Base fusion = / a bit greater than: peak power of the partners (or in other words if current Goku and Vegeta fused base Gogeta would be around UE/MUI level of strength) And I believe this to also be pretty consistent to Buu Saga - Base Vegito was putting up a good fight while in literally just base form just to clown buu after transforming, a feat that would be greater than SSJ3 Goku's feat placing him at a decent bit higher than SSJ3 Broly Movie - Base Gogeta was confident going into the fight starting at base with if I recall, against either Ikari or SSJ Broly, in which SSJB Goku was seemingly about even with Ikari Broly, this feat isnt nearly as solid but it definitely shows that he should at least been stronger than SSJB Goku in base since he was dealing with an opponent 50x stronger than who SSJB Goku was dealing with in base, but again it isnt as solid since he goes SSJ shortly after his fight in SSJ seems to be almost about as hard as Vegito's fight with Buu which stays consistent Gogeta also goes Blue but i think after he transformed into blue he was simply JUST toying with Broly, especially with how this fight was going before, he clearly never even needed blue and did it to show off and that's why I think fusion is consistently base fusion is = to or greater than max partner power Vegito blue didn't have much to go off of especially with his short fight where he immediately powered up to blue and I havent watched fusion reborn so I can't really give as much of a visual opinion on it
It's weird how Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is so strong he can only stay fused for 10 minutes meanwhile Gogeta Blue gets the full 30 minutes. Tbh I think stronger fusions shouldn't be punished with shorter time limits or some vague "too much energy and you defuse" thing, let strong things be strong especially since there are beings just as strong if not stronger on their own
@ I know fusions can perform things that the people who fuse into them can’t but yeah just using a form neither of them can use is WILD and just a liiiiittle different than something like Stardust Breaker
@@malekat8539To be fair, Goten and Trunks never achieved ssj3 on their own, nor even ssj2. While Gotenks is a fusion that allows them to transform to these forms, they are not experienced in using them which is why they burn through their fusion early. They were training with fusion to extend the duration of ssj3. Trunks clarifies they can keep the transformation for its full duration in Ssj2, but they are strictly limited with ssj3 because it burns through their energy too quickly. Goku and Vegeta would have experienced a similar issue had they not been familiar with SSB before fusing into Gogeta.
Gogeta Blue doesn't get the full 30 minutes. He only appears in the movie for only 8 minutes, so that's the maximum screen time he has, and the metamorphosis fusion has the same wear and tear problem as the potara fusion, proof of this is Gotenks with the ssj3 not lasting even 5 minutes, GT Gogeta separating due to wear after using 2 big bang kamehameha, CC Gogeta in the manga when he goes to kill Goku Black with a kamehameha the fusion separates due to wear, so even outside the canon this concept is respected.
Depends on what do you mean when you say "Hyper Sonic". When you say Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, it's quite clearly implied to be his one appearance in Dragon Ball GT, however when you say Hyper Sonic, it is implied you aren't talking about his one appearance in Sonic 3 & Knuckles who would probably be above Perfect Chaos level but not much more. However, I assume you're talking about Modern Sonic post Sonic Frontiers, using Hyper. Which... Technically, I could make an argument for Super Sonic being able to beat Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, just using Sonic Frontiers. But I would like to see this myself, yes.
It is very possible and consistent to watch the growth rate of Goku‘s power level increase throughout the project root of life. Goku not only got far more powerful than a fusion level increase. But he absolutely mud stops and is extremely disrespectful to any laughable level of increase through fusion whether that be through the Patara fusion or the fusion dance. We could measure Goku accurately from the Frieza Arc alone. We can accurately measure how strong Cokie gets within the course of one year. Which is condensed down to one month, which is also condense down to one day. This is how strong Goku can get within that period of time. So as more time duration continues to unfold, Goku becomes exponentially more powerful in a shorter period of time when he was able to do so previously. Goku is an absolute monster and once you get done seeing the scale I’m just going with the phrase are you gonna see why Goku not only surpass super Saiyan four Gogeta. It is heavily emphasized that kid Goku is a supreme being he is no longer a normal person so kid Goku Pre 100 year time skip is massively overwhelmingly and exceedingly stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta. I also wanted to state when there is a statement that says this character has no equal most of the time most accurately interpret it the way it was meant to be. Which means this person is the strongest and there’s no one stronger than them. But there is another way to also accurately interpret interpret that statement. A fighter or a superior being who has no equal, can also have someone stronger than them. Again this does not contradict the statement. Steal this with me this character or the spider has no equal meaning there is nobody on par with him but they can’t be multiple people weaker than in person and one or several people stronger than this person know it is unlikely that there are several people stronger than SSJ for Gogita but there is a heavy emphasis in likelihood that there is one individual one supreme being that is far more powerful than SSJ for Gojira. And that person is kid Goku, prior to the 100 year time skip. This is kid Goku when he transforms into a supreme. And his baseball Malone nothing Omega Shema can do anything to him he’s unaffected it looks like it doesn’t even hurt it might even tickle. I’m not hyping Goku up at all. It’s just there a lot of Goku haters that’s why the beat you you are get such downplay and hatred upon the character Goku but all these other characters get massively upscales beyond him. It’s pure character bias. Furthermore Goku is not the only Z fighter who has made exponentially in his power level over the course of one year or shorter timeframe. All the other Z fighters actually surpass Goku‘s earlier feet from the beginning and all throughout the freezer. It’s just Goku makes such monumental leaps then he leaves everybody else in the dust.
hey apologies for bothering again but i think i found a bigger and more reasonable training boost for goku for context, goku over the baby-super 17 timeskip which is 1 year long, goku in base became stronger than his ssj4 self in the baby arc s17 arc ssj goku is on par with initial super 17 & initial super 17 was stated to be the ultimate machine mutant, suggesting inital super 17 > golden oozaru baby (a machine mutant) this is stated by the narrator, official toei website & dr myu and gero who did research on earth ever since their demise meaning they are aware of golden oozaru baby golden oozaru baby was considerably stronger than ssj4 goku's 10x kamehameha so overall initial super 17 = s17 arc ssj goku > s17 arc base goku ≈ golden oozaru baby > 10x kamehameha ssj4 goku in the baby arc goku got a ssj4 boost in 1 year despite there being no new villains to prepare against or having anyone to train with (the others are still weak so id assume goku didn't train with them) so this training boost is more accurate and applicable than the fusion or EoZ boost and it would be MASSIVE i have the ssj4 multiplier at 11.5x10¹² so essentially post 100yr timeskip goku could have gotten (11.5x10¹²)¹⁰⁰ times stronger in those 100 years that would equate to 1.45 x 10¹³¹⁸, which very much guaranteed stomps ssj4 gogeta into oblivion
@@HoagieDSub Goku says that Buu's Ki is rising when he goes from Super Buu to Kid Buu, and Kid Buu is able to push back a spirit bomb with energy from Ultimate Gohan in it.
@@HoagieDSub Well in the scene where they said Buu’s ki was rising, Goku and Vegeta calmed down when Kid Buu finished his transformation, thinking that he wasn’t that much of a threat anymore. The rise in ki could’ve just been the result of kid Buu expelling the power of those Super Buu absorbed. We even see him expell Fat Buu later on. Also, the spirit bomb may not be a good gauge of power. The spirit bomb ended kill Kid Buu, so his raw power wasn’t above it. It was just a matter of Goku being too weak to push it, and when he got his energy back, he only needed ssj. This just shows the limits of the spirit bomb, that the user can’t push it on an opponent 400 times stronger.
Gogeta SSJ4 is at least 1000 times stronger than Ssj4 Goku before the time skip and I am low-balling. Hear me out, in the Buu saga was stated that the fusion was stronger the sum of the two warriors fusing, so the minimum power of a fusion of two warriors with relative power is at least the added power of their base form? No, it's at least the added power in their maximum power in their strongest form. So in this Logic, Base Gotenks would be equivalent to at least two SSJ goten or two SSJ Trunks. If you watch Broly's movie, you'll see that SSJ Gogeta started to humiliate SSJ broly and broly humiliated SSJ BLUE Goku and Vegeta and Golden freezer. And let's remember that even though Base broly was losing to Goku, he was not getting humiliated, in fact he was giving some fight, so i would say that base broly was just slightly inferior to Goku Blue. So the only explanation of why Gogeta surpassed this broly in SSJ 1, it's that Gogeta was stronger than SSJ BLUE Goku and if you take that statement of the Buu saga you can argue that he was 2 times stronger than Goku since Gogeta has the combined strength of Goku and Vegeta wich was equal to Goku. So a base GT Gogeta would be at least two times stronger than SSJ4 goku and in SSJ4 he should be at least 1000 stronger (the SSJ4 is at least a 500 times multiplicator since it's a mix of a ssj wich is a 50 times multiplicator and the ozaru it's a 10 times multiplicator)
100 timeskip would be essentially stronger than omega shenron based off what was shown. Ssj4 gogeta wasn't at his full potential when fighting omega because goku was badly beaten and was fighting non-stop stop since the Super 17 arc. And his 100 time big bang didn't kill omega, even though he was holding back he thought it was going to kill him. After omega "killed" goku he tanked and killed omega with the spirit bomb so he would be atleast stronger than when he was ssj4 so if it took 6 years to be at the level of gohan ssj2 teen. I think it more than enough to be at a higher level with a better potential of growth
Yeah, I saw it. Good video, I actually think Lonks Takes has a really nice voice, and his editing style is relaxed and easy on the eyes, which is appreciate, especially compared to Divine or Goji-Chronic. My basic thoughts are, power scaling is a science. There are many different ways you can interpret feats and statements. So I don't take offense to the scaling on VS Battles Wiki. I especially think their DBS speed scaling is atrocious, but I can overlook it because it's just someone else's interpretation.
@@Unremarkable6969 What do you think about his claim that every time the universe was mentioned in the pre-dbs era, what was actually being referred to was the living world only?
To be honest, I've always viewed the terms as interchangeable. I don't 100% agree, especially with GT and its extended material. There's also the idea of retroactive continuity, or new ideas providing context for old ideas. It generally doesn't affect any of my personal scaling.
I mean a ssj4 gogeta from gt vs a goku who aged back into an adult, trained for decades and is from a 100 years into the future. Yeah i mean its goku, the man who always trains and pushes past his very own limits. So yeah i go with goku
Goku in awakened state when he was gathering energy for the Spirit Bomb received an attack from Omega Shenron while he was in his base form and Goku took it without harm Knowing that Omega Shenron is about 10 times stronger than Goku SSJ4 And it is mentioned in the Daizenshu that to receive an attack without damage you must produce twice the attack power Which means even before 100 years of Time Skip Goku gets a power boost to the point of his base form being stronger than Goku SSJ4 (before awakened state) 20 times So it is not an exaggeration to say that GT Goku in awakened state even before Time Skip is close to or even stronger than Gogeta SSJ4 Which means 100 years of training will be just Overkill + Goku after 100 years of Time Skip is a fusion of Goku with Shenron Which means at the very least he has the same abilities as Omega Shenron including that he is completely immortal where even if he is cut into small pieces he can regenerate again like Omega Shenron did after receiving the Dragon Fist and other different abilities We can go so far as to say that he can fulfill any wish for himself within the limits of his power, which means that he has the ability to do anything he can imagine, which makes him broken The simplest thing is to cancel Gogeta's fusion if he is at a loss
@Unremarkable6969 Oh, you used 8,000. Okay, I forget it's supposed to be 8,000 but was mistranslated into 9,000 which is what I was using. I kept getting 162 million.
@Unremarkable6969 good videos btw. Even if I disagree with some scales they're still informative and well made. Plus a lot more interesting than other powerscaling youtubers imo
I feel like only BoG can apply to gt and not RoF (i dont remember if it was this video u said it was arguable to include) Can you also react to KAZI's gt goku scaling video? He scales him to outerversal with irrelevant speed. Just search "How strong is gt goku"
@Unremarkable6969 well maybe u can use BoG (maybe) + stuff u mentioned like arale and stuff used in kazi's video to make a definitive gt goku scale Also when super goku vs gt goku ong Like do u have a scheduled day?
Goku is stronger. If Goku surpassed Vegito/Gogeta SSJ after an unknown amount of years went past into GT. He can do the same to Gogeta SSj4 after 100 years. In fact that Goku is kinda mysterious as he basically brought Pan back from near death. Gogeta is strong but he did failed to kill Omega Shenron, something the spirit bomb did easily.
4:44 Despite whatever the guy says, which is clearly states is equal to go to. No this is not true because power level wise as well as stamina wise. Vegeta did not buy omega Shen Ron anywhere near the long duration of time prior to him becoming an SSJ4. Here we have a perfect example of a guide book that is faulty an unreliable when it comes to power scaling feet consistently. It has a statement versus the feet that actually took place in GT. Beats are always more powerful and binding dance statements without proven feats to pack to back them up. Super Saiyan four Goku is steel more powerful than Vegeta even though Vegeta is an SSJ4 is in the same realm of power and Goku is simply still on a higher level. Technically the only time Vegeta surpass SSJ4 Goku is one Vegeta himself turned into a Golden Oozaru.
@@jordanglasper1064 guidebooks > whatever made up stuff you came up with. Omega was only bested against SSJ4 Goku because of the Dragon Fist. When Omega gets serious, both Goku and Vegeta were getting equally bodied.
@@makrongamin1685 I've never seen an actual statement using this "Max Power of A + Max Power of B x 100" equation. I know what you're talking about, it was an equation used frequently by the Saiyan Scholar.
We just not going to talk about how Goku literally achieved Nirvana this Goku and gogeta both can take I think it's called a death ball to the face unharmed so
merry christmas! sorry if im late but could you re-clarify on goku's fusion-amp training boost during the 7 year timeskip? from what i heard, i understood base buu saga goku > inital gotenks > base goten = base cell saga goku is this correct?
Do you want to make Joker vs Giorno debunk? They down balled Joker Sooooooooooooooo much. And I think some people don't understand Return to Zero. They say Return to Zero is a Stay at Zero power. But what am I saying? Even Giorno doesn't know what it is.
This ain’t the main point of the video and only a small section I know, but Nah, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku in both the manga and anime. When Goku and Vegeta noted Super Buu was getting stronger, that was referring to the Buff Buu. When he shrank back down to Kid Buu, Goku and Vegeta were legit laughing at him despite still actively sensing his ki. Then as Kid Buu revealed more of his power, Goku got more serious and he concluded Buu was on the level of him at SSJ3 at full power. As for why Gohan is stronger though, aside from him being stronger than Super Buu and relative to Buutenks who are both stronger than SSJ3 Goku, after Goku failed to beat Kid Buu, Goku’s initial suggestion rather than wishing for himself to be at full power again was to wish Gohan, Goten and Trunks to the Kaioshin Realm so they could kill Buu. And for reference, Gohan is ridiculously stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks who himself is on the same level as Super Buu, with Gohan being able to match Super Buu + SSJ3 Gotenks combined before Buutenks started using mind games and mental warfare. So Gohan would be doing the majority of the work with Kid Buu in this hypothetical scenario Goku came up with. But Vegeta told him no and to let the Earthlings fend for themselves with the Spirit Bomb
You can literally argue goku from the very next episode is stronger than gogeta. Changed state aint a joke but beyond that he even merged with the dragonballs immediately afterwards and we see by witnessing the jump from syn to omega that they should grant a power boost. So if episode 64 goku can make a case by default 100 year time skip goku just no diffs considering he has only grown exponentially
How are stealing time, the purpose of this, is the shell we can quantify and accurately measure how strong go to get over the course of period time. The timeframe will start with one year. And we’re gonna start with his power level at the beginning of the phrase are also known as the saying saga. Over 8000, so accurately what is needed go to power level is could be 8001 but cannot exceed 8999. Because the power level at 9000 exceeds 8000 and his power level is only in the range of 8001 and cannot exceed 8999. For years I put Goku at 8200 if you come up with a different number. Be at higher or lower than the number I have, it is fine because it fits within the storytelling narrative. Goku’s starts off with the power level at 8200, the reason why I’m starting off DBZ specifically the phrase art with Goku‘s power level into the thousands place value. Is because a power level within the 100s place value is far too low it can be scaled but it doesn’t accurately measure up he’s able to get far more powerful but we can use the power level of 416 to show how strong he gets as a whole. It’s just a better comparative scale if you start off with the power level in the thousands place value and move forward. Goku goes from 416 to 8,200. When you do the math 416 x 20 = 8,320. This sum total is he really close to my estimated 8200. You can go with you but you would want to stick with my number in order to accurately measure how strong go to get beyond this point. Goku trains or six days in route to planet Namek. He goes from a power level of most likely over 9000 because he received after he was defeated on earth by Vegeta. So we could say his power level is 9200 just to make it easy. He didn’t get that much stronger but he did technically get stronger. Goku’s greatest games come from his training in the Spacepod that was re-created and reconstructive by bombers father Dr. brief. Goku goes from my power level of 9,200 to 90,000. It might not seem like it but this is actually an insignificant elevation and Goku’s power level in comparison To his power level at 4:16 jumping up to 8200 or 8320 based on the map either or it doesn’t matter but for a reference and comparison we’re gonna stick with 8200 being the standard. You can start off at 8200 or you can start up with 9200 Goku‘s power level elevates to 90,000 if you use the first stat then Goku game I’d say about a 11,000 multiplier but if you use the second stat the Goku game a little bit less than a 10 times multiplier. This all depends on whatever number you want to use in order to either upscale Goku power by just a bit or downhill his PowerLevel by just a bit, you are good either way. on Namek Goku‘s power level is 90,000. What his training on his Spacepod for spaceship for six days allowed him to Master The Kaio-Ken technique. This grants Goku the ability to surpass his maximum limit 10 times at minimum, and 20 times at maximum. After various fights and adventures on planet Namek go to get severely injured. He gets healed in a time chamber or in a chamber. They elevated his power level from 90,000 to 3,000,000. Let’s do the map to see how strong Goku got within six days to attain a power level at 3 million. How are you do the math sometimes these numbers are going to be a little bit higher or a little bit lower. We’re going to round up to the lowest common denominator. Let’s do the math. 8,200 x 370 = 3,034,000. Rounded off to 3,000,000. Including Super Saiyan Goku. 8,200 x 18,300 = 150,060,000. Rounded up to 150,000,000. Goku achieved eight 18,300 multiplier over the course of six days. That might stops any and all fusion multipliers by an unprecedented massively high degree. This is Goku in the Frieza Arc. In the cell arc, Goku went from a power level at 3 billion to the power level of 150 billion. When you do the math 150 million times what equals 150, billion? That multiplier is the answer to how strong Goku got over the course of three years. That three years is also multiplied by how strong Goku got over the course of 21 hours that 21 hours is condense down to nearly 9 months inside of the hyperbolic time chamber. If Goku can get the strong in this short amount of time, how strong can Goku get in 10 years one year 100 years? He be omnipotent at bare minimum which is what he is and he definitely be far more powerful than the strongest version of super Saiyan four Gogeta. Base form Goku is massively stronger than him. Goku’s went from only being able to get 20 times stronger over the course of 11 months, but he went to Getty far more powerful over the course of one year, and over the course of one month then we can dance that down to one day he becomes massively more powerful. 18,300 times more powerful over the course of six days. This is a Frieza Arden Goku’s quantifiably becomes far more powerful from the Frieza orc to the cell arc because it goes from the power level of 150,000,000 to 150,000,000,000 in the cell games. Goku’s trains for seven years straight in other world and becomes massively I mean massively overwhelmingly exceedingly more powerful than he ever has been. So much so he becomes the strongest character or at least the strongest Z fighter in the boot park. So Goku was the strongest in the freezer, go on dates to Goku training became the strongest in the cell ark. Gohan couldn’t do that on his own that’s what so many fans overlook. But guess what Goku becomes the strongest in the universe again, in the Buu Arc. Gohan never surpassed Goku in this art alone. Goku was the only Z fighter who kept on hiding how strong he truly was. Every other Z fighter specifically the sayings got stronger by way of magic or training. But none of them goes in catalyst they don’t get stronger from after merging or fusing that’s out. So Goku was supremely powerful he was more powerful than everybody else the whole time.
I don't think goku went to otherworld I think he went to the otherotherworld where shenron lays there like a lazy piece of- sorry forgot what got over me but you got my point.
Wouldn't the 100-year timeskip mean nothing? He spent 100 years not training. If he did decide to train, it wouldn't be with shenron, he'd just head back to earth and train with vegeta. Shenron is a bit too weak to train with goku. Remember what demon king piccolo did to shenron? Even krillin would be a better sparring partner.
13:37 There is quite an easy way to debunk this since ur using manga,we know Ssj2 is explicitly stated to be a x2 boost. Gohan was a lil above Goku in the cell games,got Ssj2 and you can argue even an anger amp on top of that. For safe estimates just give 1.5x for the difference between them as MSS,2x for Ssj2 and another 2x for his rage amp. And Goku is only stated to surpass this threshold as a Ssj2 himself. Meaning Goku literally got at best 6-12x stronger in 7 years and half of that is due to Ssj2.
I'm not using the manga, I used scans from the manga cause it's easier for editing purposes :3 Plus, I was really proud of that part when I lined all the manga panels up together to make it look like Goten and Trunks were doing the fusion dance
@@thebestcakegoku7346 a 1.5x difference will do that,its not a problem of my arg rather your knowledge of the show. Ntm Suppressed Cell was not that much stronger than Goku in the manga.
@@Unremarkable6969 oh lol. Well in any case its just better to stick to anime stuff if its an anime video talk as it could lead to confusion. Earned a like either way.
The sprint bomb is made of ganki not ki, gohans life energy was only used not his full ki. Goku likely received several zenkais which but his ssj3 over gohan for a short time, but after Gohans revival he was probably stronger.
im pretty early in but do people not realize 100yts goku is literally him after GT?? meaning hes pretty much hit nirvana??? it very much makes sense that wukong would get his ass beat by fighting buddah wukong in a theoretical matchup. even if gogeta is the “ultimate warrior” he doesnt matchup to goku being the fighting god pretty much also the kais and piccolo in GT/TS confirm he was NOT in the afterlife and was somewhere by definition inaccessible since even kais cant go there, which tracks with suguroku space and other shit. Super Heroes and other games that feature GT content call it the Dragon Realm
Remember: Watch Sonic 3 in theaters, don't watch Mufasa
Yes my goat 👌 sonic 3 is my go too
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who the hell is gonna choose Mufasa over Sonic 3?
putting Mufasa at the same day when Sonic 3 airs is such a Dumb decision
its Hydrogen bomb vs Coughing baby
Perfect taste
@ lame ass people
There are two mysterious goku
1. The Goku who kills Broly in the Second Coming
2. 100 years timeskip Goku
you could argue bio broly goku is too
Don't forget grand priest trained Goku from heroes
@@GabrielSamantha-z3w CC Goku
What about end of Gt Goku?
100 years goku is the og ssgss. Second coming Goku is Goku- Even in the Cooler Movie, his super saiyan form ascended to revive the dead- out of the purity of his righteousness. He revived that dead bird just cause it was unrighteous that it died
0:13 omega shenron was lucky that he didn't get taken to a party💀
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A Gogeta party 💀 🎉
Perfect, literally couldn't make a better video on this topic. The statements of gogeta are literally about him when he appears. Which is why is never been a discussion for me. Tackled it form every point of veiw needed. Subscribing for this one
W, btw people will say “Goku didn’t surpass CG Gohan until he went SSJ2” because of vague ass statements but people overlook how bad the argument is.
Buu Saga Goku is the most downplayed character in the OG Dragon Ball manga.
@ He really is, even if you discount filler, there’s still a bunch of shit that get him above Cell Saga tiers including from Guides Toriyama himself said to read for some context. Also there's the fact Shin believed they needed Team up against Yakon even after seeing SSJ2 Gohan while Goku in Base was keeping pace with and only needing SSJ just to light the room up.
@@SonZackSSJ9kEven discounting Fillers, in the manga Dabura is said to be on the same level as Cell (and Goku knows the power of Super Perfect Cell) and even so, neither he nor Vegeta seem threatened by that power. You can say that at that point Goku had SSJ3, but he would never use the form in non-emergency circumstances. Furthermore, Vegeta himself says that if Gohan didn't kill Dabura, he would kill him immediately, and since he and Goku made light of their power, I doubt they would even need to transform to kill Dabura. At most, they would use SSJ1 and even then they would probably one-shot him.
That's literally stated canon
Both piccolo and vegeta imply that’s the case
Statements: Goku
Feats: Gogeta
False. What's Gogeta feat? Tanking Omega attacks? Goku change state did the same thing.
after that, he show to being able to travel into places that normally no one would be able to do, and in the GT Special he shows the power to granth wishes.
End of GT Goku has better feats.
Gogeta also has statements that say he is the strongest.
Time Skip Goku is a bum, and I still can’t believe some people deadass think he’s above Arale and Zeno because of one statement
Overall: Cabba
@@Blue_Punch_Buggy224 I mean, Arale makes sense, but definitely not Zeno because GT is a different continuity to Super.
Frieza be like: "MONKE vs MONKE but better"
"Dance for us monkey~"
I just realized, Freeza has never seen SSJ4 Goku, at least not outside of video games. Not even in the old GT live show. Missed opportunity.
@@Unremarkable6969 we finna scream "LIVE AND LEARN! HANGING ON THE EDGE OF TOMORROW! LIVE AND LEARN,ON THE WORKS OF YESTERDAYYY!! LIVE AND LEARN,IF YOU BEG OR IF YOU BORROW ! LIVE AND LEARN,YOU MAY NEVER FIND YOUR WAYYYY!" When movie 3 is out🗿🗿🗿🗿
“A monkey with god like powers is still a monkey” - Super Frieza
Could Goku surpass Lebron in 100 years?
Probably not
@@Unremarkable6969 nah i bet he would
Sadly no😞
Bro Chowder could defeat that dude is cat bear purple thing.
Lebron james is a normal human with good athletic preformance. Goku is a planet buster bare minimum and mftl. Why is this a comparison?
Not to mention the fact that Arale casually also speedblitzed Sonic as an adult
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Sonic made a brief appearance in the Dr slump comic
yes , saiyans potential is immeasurable
Good job with this video
There are many examples of goku surpassing his fusion like for instance base top goku can argued to above vegito blue from the goku black saga
Another instance is goku by the end of the Moro arc is stated to be the strongest in the universe along with vegeta meaning the surpassed fpssj broly who needed gogeta blue defeat they then go on to get many times stronger fighting the 2 people who wished to be the strongest In the universe which would include broly which would just them far above gogeta blue level at this point
"ToP base goku above vegito blue" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@yosha313 that vegito blue was 2 arcs befor top saga base goku
that's too much cuz the gap in scaling of dbs is far greater than what u saw in the vid (GT) , GT goku surpassing GT gogeta in 100 years is more consistant that base goku surpassing vegito blue in 2 arcs.
Super vs GT is gonna be crazy
Next video, for actual this time
There’s several training rates you can go for goku going from a power level of 300 to 9000 just training in otherworld for a year is a 30x increase per year.
Goku training with gohan in the hyperbolic time chamber during the cell saga lowkey implies that he has the capacity to surpass his super saiyan form in base form after 1 year of training, while yes goku was training with gohan, remember goku was actually valuing rest and spending time with gohan while also training him for cell. So you can argue that him having a training partner isn’t even the relevant. But this would make goku get 50-500x stronger every year.
Or use Goku going from 8000 to 90000 off of 1 zenkai boost and 6 days of training. A near 10x results per week.
Goku is ridiculous.
But I think the most telling thing that kind of just makes this an open and shut case is that an ascended gt Goku was making omega shenron panic noticeably more than ssj4 gogeta ever did. Which makes base gt Goku even before the 100 year timeskip bare minimum scale above ssj4 gogeta.
People need to realize Goku surpassing his ssj4 form in base is very common Throughout gt, so surpassing a ssj4 metamorphan fusion(a ssjblue amp by the way as shown in dbs broly, as Goku and Vegeta had to go blue to keep up with ssj broly while base gogeta is stylin on ssj broly) is not only impressive but cements ascended gt Goku to be far stronger than ssj4 gogeta
Really great video you did there, we need more people like you in the scaling community that can actually scale hopefully you channel will grow bigger so you can show your powerscaling btter too the people around the world
I can't lie, part of the reason I started making videos on Power Scaling was because I was frustrated with the current meta of Power Scaling on RUclips.
@Unremarkable6969 exactly they were just so many wrong things people said or still say nowadays and one of those reasons are sadly that people in general don't know they shows they are scaling and just absorb the things people say on the internet and the internet wasn't a best place too know powerscaling in the 2010(fuck death battle)
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At 6:14, as explained in the video, the statement of the guidebook claims that the power of the Potara Fusion is Battle Power A multiplied by Battle Power B.
While not exactly wrong, there is a slight mix-up. So,「ではなく」there was used as "Instead of A, but B," but a secondary usage is, "not just A, but B".
Fusion also gets this same treatment via the phrase「かけ合わせた」which can mean either "combine" or "multiply," but it more likely combine.
So, the sentence would be "The power-up through the fusion is so tremendous, that it's not just the sum of the fusees' battle power but something as amazing with 'multiplication'!" or something similar.
Maintaining the consistency of (A + B) × C
Go to replies for extra info.
I didn't want to make the comment messy, so I felt it deserved its own comment.
In the anime, during Goku's persuasion to have Vegeta fuse with him via the Potara Earrings, the subtitles make a mistake by translating his line as "That's right, our powers will be multiplied together!" In both the original TV series and Kai.
This is due to 「掛ける」 which is translated as multiply, but it is NOT as simple as just "multiply"
In its essence 「掛ける」= "make connection between things", which is why the neutral state of the term in English is typically "hook" or "hang"
To provide examples on how 「掛ける」is used, here are a few sentences with different context:
1. 電話で友達と話を掛けた。
(I reached out to a friend over the phone to talk)
2. 数字を掛けて、結果を計算した。
(The numbers were multiplied in order to calculate the end result)
3. 時間が掛かることでも、最終的に成功するだろう。
(Even if it takes time, we will ultimately succeed)
In all the examples I've provided, 「掛ける」was never consistently used as "multiply," so it is more than likely that 「掛ける」here means "combine" as it is emphasized by 「合わせる」; "fuse/combine" rather than 「計算」; "calculate" which is what gives rise to "multiply".
So, the translation is:
２人の力が掛け合わされて (When both of our powers combine together)
とんでもねえ パワーを持った戦士が生まれるんだ｡ (Then a warrior with outrageous power will be born)
It more like A(goku at peek power) + B( vegeta peek power) ×100 makes gogeta base form
I feel like it’s a bit weird to scale 100 year skip Goku strictly because characters training gains vary wildly
A little bit
8:53 this is a valid statement in relation to end of Z and GT, but wow has this statement been retconned HARD
Why does every power scaler now sound like Seth the programmer again 😭😭
This intro sounds oddly familiar
Well now I feel foolish
I mean goku can just kinda frant wishes after the timeskip cause he fuses with shenron, shown in goku jrs story where he revives pan and the other guy, also he appear from the dragons ball basically. People dont think he went to the afterlife but a place beyond that cause of some interviews, where is beyond that idk
There is a lot of evidence suggesting Goku became a deity of some sorts
@@Unremarkable6969 yeah he's legit broken. He even has the powers of the dragon balls which means he can wish for anyone to be erased from existance or bring them back to life (like what he did in the movie)
He doens't fuse with shenron, it has something todo with the Taoist religion, Goku is based off of a Taoist.
People that ascend into a higher plane get taken there by a dragon.
Goku basically ascended to a God status.
@@RustingPeace It's called, "Heavenly accession in broad daylight", but that's never been directly confirmed
7:23 bro training with Jesus
Not to sound like a nerd here, but I also believe that it's important to know whether Goku was training seriously or not. As that can change how much stronger Goku became after the 100-year timeskip.
It’s Goku bro….you know he was probably training lmao
Goku is more likely to train hard when there is an oponent stronger than him, so... idk, there are 100 years where we dont know whats happens
Except with both examples I used, Goku wasn't training for a threat.
Loved the video
Also that arale bit legitimately puts episode 1 gt goku over all of dragonball super but people dont like hearing that 💀
Well, Ultra Instinct Goku is stated to be stronger than Beerus in the anime, and Beerus is debatably stronger than Arale. So there's an argument for late DBS Goku being stronger than Arale as well.
@Unremarkable6969 yea, i dont think they dont have 6D scaling to reach her. Whis and other angels probably do beat her though. But an argument for mui goku surpassing a character that is objectively weaker than base gt goku in episode 1 doesnt look good for dbs
Issue with Beerus when he tried to attempt to kill Aarle he himself got hit with a gag. So idk if Beerus actually beats Aarle, remembered hearing Aarle had fate manipulation. @@OldFolkz
@Jim-rs1hn i dont believe beerus wins either. She has 6d scaling a beerus has nothing if the sort.
I always found the statement of Vados a bit odd. For instance, if we applied the the formula; (1+1)×100, on Kefla, she should theoretically be as strong as SSJ2 Caulifla, yet in just her base she displayed to be more powerful than both girls at full power.
Bro amazing vid but i gotta say After goku rises after hes believed to be dead after taking omegas attack that need ssj4 gogeta to kick it away he rises with the universal spirt bomb and takes another of omegas attacks to the chin Unscathed so i believe when goku rose up again he was equal to or stronger then ssj4 gogeta and another thing end of GT vegeta tells pan Goku is going to a place she will never be able to so i don't think its the afterlife and he also legit fused with the dragon ball we not gon talk bout how the balls disappeared into his skin as he rode off with shenlong
My brain hurts just listening to this
And? 😐
All of the interviews and statements imply that Goku went to some sort of dragon realm. This realm is straight up superior to the entire dragon ball cosmology. And he would also be training with all the eternal dragons. So it's most likely that those 100 years of training are the most effective.
Either way this Goku is immortal and transcends the entire dragon ball cosmology. He is literally portrayed as god of the verse.
I actually didn't come across that during my research, so my bad. But even with that, Goku still surpasses SSJ4 Gogeta
@Unremarkable6969 Saiyan Scholar covered it in his GT power scale at the very end. He explained where Goku went and what that realm is all about.
Okay. Unremarkable could you try to make a video doing a analysis on super goku and try to analyze where he stands in power? Like does he beat GT goku? Or does he get slammed like a pancake?
Currently working on GT Goku VS Super Goku, so that'll be answered there. Don't wanna spoil anything tho
@Unremarkable6969 sure.
I wonder where does that one goku who went through the events of GT and then attained super saiyan god scale ?
Are you referring to Xeno Goku? From Dragon Ball Heroes/Xenoverse?
@@Unremarkable6969 there was an "official timeline" where before Dragon Ball Super was a thing but after Battle of Gods was made, BoG and GT were placed on the same timeline, which is what I believe they're referring to.
This is a long read, but I wanted to point things out! TL;DR: GT Gogeta is above Xeno Gogeta, Xeno Gohan, and any Heroes characters by the point of the Dark King Mechikabura Saga. GT is also above the Battle of Gods movie as GT takes place after BoG, according to Toei Animation.
I think there was also a statement from the GT Perfect Files stating that SS4 Gogeta is “The strongest warrior in the entire universe, and in every dimension”. This gets further confirmed in the Heroes Manga where a being known as Fin goes to the GT timeline and absorbs SS4 Gogeta, becoming Dark Gogeta. Dark Gogeta is confronted by Xeno SS4 Gogeta and Xeno SS4 Gohan. Dark Gogeta has the upper hand in the entire fight, but GT Gogeta suddenly awakens and states that he was using Fin’s power as a “test run” against the other version of himself, effortlessly forcing Fin off of him and calling him weak. This implies that GT Gogeta is on par with Xeno characters outright. Promotional material for Heroes also confirms that the GT we see in the manga is the same GT Anime.
Also, according to Toei Animation, the Battle of Gods movie takes place in the Z anime timeline between the “blank”period of Z and GT. Meaning it takes place after the End of Z but also before the start of GT.
I've seen all this before, and yeah, it goes crazy.
@@Unremarkable6969 Ok, I wasn’t sure if you have or haven’t, since I don’t think a lot of people know how crazy GT scaling can get 😭😭
@@Ninjaguy3128Well that would apply gt in heroes, not the original anime. Cc Goku is just dbs Goku after the TOP, but people consider him his own character.
No? Statements done within a non-canon continuity are not applicable to the Canon continuity nor a Separate Non-canon continuity with it's own isolated story.
There's no one in Dragon Ball OG, Z, GT or Super that is stronger than any high tier fighter from Super Dragon Ball Heroes.
The GT timeline in SDBH isn't canon to The actual run of the DB GT series. They're separate Non-canons. Due to the Beats world transcendence and the Sub-space argument, The likes of Xeno Goku in base alone, outscales everything from Dragon Ball, excluding other High tiers from SDBH. GT Gogeta from the GT anime is immeasurably weaker than GT Gogeta from the SDBH Continuity, and they're not even remotely comparable in powerscaling. One has arguments for 5D scaling, the other has straight up Outerversal scaling.
Same goes for the likes of CC Goku, who's is Goku from Super within the "Canon" of SDBH, but in terms of the Super anime, the events of SDBH has never happened and will never happen.
No one in OG, Z, GT or Super is comparable to SDBH, and they never will. The scaling in SDBH is too absurd. Super is the only continuity left, and the odds of it reaching such levels are slim to none. Also important to remember, Statements are only as valid as far as the feats to support it.
The real TL;DR is that DBGT and SDBH are not interchangeable, they are not canon to eachother, and feats of characters seemingly from the GT continuity within SDBH, is not the same version of the character from the DBGT Anime.
GT gogeta is a above xeno gogeta is a joke
100 year timeskip goku > base cabba > SSJ4 gogeta > former US president John F kennedy > former UK prime minister Boris Johnson
Match up request: Homelander vs Mr Incredible
this is just bullying Homelander bro let him fight someone like... damn idk uhh... bro who DOES Homelander beat?!
@@SonicKirboFictional Humans
@@A_literal_supernova nah yamcha solos, krillin solos, tien solos, mr satan solos, batman solos, the entire earth populations of dc and marvel individually, 1v1 all of them one at a time can likely beat Homelander, actually.
@SonicKirbo to be honest homelander is weird to scale since He could scale up to city block level to city level so I do quite alot of people for example for example ben 10 weaker aliens for example who don't have special abilities or good enough intelligence to deal with homelander, he probably beats shin godzilla since shins durability and physical speed isn't all that impressive to be honest.
@ if you're on homelander's level and you fight homelander, most of the time you just win, since he's too stuck up his own ass and used to being above everyone that when something is actually threatening he can't deal with it
goat debunk Black vs Reverse flash goat
Maybe
Now put that 400,000x multiplier with super saiyan 4 and every character is cooked.
We need Hyper Sonic vs Ssj4 GT Goku🥵
(Classic)
Maybe
The big problem is that goku and vegeta didn't fuse more which is stupid because it comes in handy against foes like kid buu,omega shinron who are way stronger than their most powerful attacks.
Unremarkable, if you need help powerscalling GT Goku, than i recomend Saiyan Scholar video of the Topic, its really well made scalling
Yeah, I'm aware of Saiyan Scholar. I don't always agree with his methods tho
Second comment otherworlds training wouldn't be enough to satisfy goku to be honest, with especially with how crazy gt goku already was in gt by itself also it would make since that goku went to a higher realm since otherworld wouldn't cut it for goku training overall, another thing to mention is that it has to be a magical or mystical realm of wish granting dragons that he gone to.
Pulling out arale is crazy, when let's be honest, toriyama probably forgot he ever put her in dragon ball (also those are filler episodes)
GT is technically filler, as it has no manga equivalent. So irrelevant.
Imo I think fusion scales on either 1 of 2 things
1. base PL of 1 side x base PL of the other (or in other words 100 x 100 if we assumed both partners had a pl of 100)
2. Base fusion = / a bit greater than: peak power of the partners (or in other words if current Goku and Vegeta fused base Gogeta would be around UE/MUI level of strength)
And I believe this to also be pretty consistent to
Buu Saga - Base Vegito was putting up a good fight while in literally just base form just to clown buu after transforming, a feat that would be greater than SSJ3 Goku's feat placing him at a decent bit higher than SSJ3
Broly Movie - Base Gogeta was confident going into the fight starting at base with if I recall, against either Ikari or SSJ Broly, in which SSJB Goku was seemingly about even with Ikari Broly, this feat isnt nearly as solid but it definitely shows that he should at least been stronger than SSJB Goku in base since he was dealing with an opponent 50x stronger than who SSJB Goku was dealing with in base, but again it isnt as solid since he goes SSJ shortly after
his fight in SSJ seems to be almost about as hard as Vegito's fight with Buu which stays consistent
Gogeta also goes Blue but i think after he transformed into blue he was simply JUST toying with Broly, especially with how this fight was going before, he clearly never even needed blue and did it to show off
and that's why I think fusion is consistently base fusion is = to or greater than max partner power
Vegito blue didn't have much to go off of especially with his short fight where he immediately powered up to blue
and I havent watched fusion reborn so I can't really give as much of a visual opinion on it
Wait, so Toriyama wrote a return of Dr Slump with GT Goku? Oh we canon again 🤧
suddenly , friezas 4 month training power jump doesn't seems so asine anymore
It's weird how Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta is so strong he can only stay fused for 10 minutes meanwhile Gogeta Blue gets the full 30 minutes. Tbh I think stronger fusions shouldn't be punished with shorter time limits or some vague "too much energy and you defuse" thing, let strong things be strong especially since there are beings just as strong if not stronger on their own
It's strange because Gotenks in z can't stay fused for the full 30 mins,
And speaking of Gotenks...
HOW THE HELL CAN HE GO SSJ3??!
@ I know fusions can perform things that the people who fuse into them can’t but yeah just using a form neither of them can use is WILD and just a liiiiittle different than something like Stardust Breaker
@@malekat8539To be fair, Goten and Trunks never achieved ssj3 on their own, nor even ssj2. While Gotenks is a fusion that allows them to transform to these forms, they are not experienced in using them which is why they burn through their fusion early. They were training with fusion to extend the duration of ssj3. Trunks clarifies they can keep the transformation for its full duration in Ssj2, but they are strictly limited with ssj3 because it burns through their energy too quickly.
Goku and Vegeta would have experienced a similar issue had they not been familiar with SSB before fusing into Gogeta.
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But then the question is, would Z Gogeta theoretically be able to go into ssj5 but for a short time? Or would he go ssjb?
Gogeta Blue doesn't get the full 30 minutes. He only appears in the movie for only 8 minutes, so that's the maximum screen time he has, and the metamorphosis fusion has the same wear and tear problem as the potara fusion, proof of this is Gotenks with the ssj3 not lasting even 5 minutes, GT Gogeta separating due to wear after using 2 big bang kamehameha, CC Gogeta in the manga when he goes to kill Goku Black with a kamehameha the fusion separates due to wear, so even outside the canon this concept is respected.
HYPER SONIC vs SSJ4 GOGETA!👏👏🎉
Not a bad idea 🤔
Probably hyper sonic wins
Sonic should destroy im pretty sure
Current Hyper Sonic? Or Hyper Sonic in S3K?
Depends on what do you mean when you say "Hyper Sonic". When you say Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, it's quite clearly implied to be his one appearance in Dragon Ball GT, however when you say Hyper Sonic, it is implied you aren't talking about his one appearance in Sonic 3 & Knuckles who would probably be above Perfect Chaos level but not much more. However, I assume you're talking about Modern Sonic post Sonic Frontiers, using Hyper. Which... Technically, I could make an argument for Super Sonic being able to beat Super Saiyan 4 Gogeta, just using Sonic Frontiers. But I would like to see this myself, yes.
Can you debunk broly vs hulk pls
It is very possible and consistent to watch the growth rate of Goku‘s power level increase throughout the project root of life. Goku not only got far more powerful than a fusion level increase. But he absolutely mud stops and is extremely disrespectful to any laughable level of increase through fusion whether that be through the Patara fusion or the fusion dance. We could measure Goku accurately from the Frieza Arc alone.
We can accurately measure how strong Cokie gets within the course of one year. Which is condensed down to one month, which is also condense down to one day. This is how strong Goku can get within that period of time. So as more time duration continues to unfold, Goku becomes exponentially more powerful in a shorter period of time when he was able to do so previously. Goku is an absolute monster and once you get done seeing the scale I’m just going with the phrase are you gonna see why Goku not only surpass super Saiyan four Gogeta. It is heavily emphasized that kid Goku is a supreme being he is no longer a normal person so kid Goku Pre 100 year time skip is massively overwhelmingly and exceedingly stronger than SSJ4 Gogeta.
I also wanted to state when there is a statement that says this character has no equal most of the time most accurately interpret it the way it was meant to be. Which means this person is the strongest and there’s no one stronger than them. But there is another way to also accurately interpret interpret that statement. A fighter or a superior being who has no equal, can also have someone stronger than them. Again this does not contradict the statement. Steal this with me this character or the spider has no equal meaning there is nobody on par with him but they can’t be multiple people weaker than in person and one or several people stronger than this person know it is unlikely that there are several people stronger than SSJ for Gogita but there is a heavy emphasis in likelihood that there is one individual one supreme being that is far more powerful than SSJ for Gojira. And that person is kid Goku, prior to the 100 year time skip. This is kid Goku when he transforms into a supreme. And his baseball Malone nothing Omega Shema can do anything to him he’s unaffected it looks like it doesn’t even hurt it might even tickle. I’m not hyping Goku up at all. It’s just there a lot of Goku haters that’s why the beat you you are get such downplay and hatred upon the character Goku but all these other characters get massively upscales beyond him. It’s pure character bias.
Furthermore Goku is not the only Z fighter who has made exponentially in his power level over the course of one year or shorter timeframe. All the other Z fighters actually surpass Goku‘s earlier feet from the beginning and all throughout the freezer. It’s just Goku makes such monumental leaps then he leaves everybody else in the dust.
100 year Goku is equivalent to ssj100 gogeta
10:38 Oh god wtf is that smile ?😱😱😱😱
@@ibrahimoday-r5c What were they cooking!? 😭
@ cooking or smoking ?
Both
@@Unremarkable6969 you are a good youTuber keep up the good work man and I wish you the best
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10:19, god. DAMN💀👀 i didn't even know that number exited
I got the final number and went "Ah fuck"
@Unremarkable6969 even by rewatching the vid, remember the correct name of that number is annoying
hey apologies for bothering again but i think i found a bigger and more reasonable training boost for goku
for context, goku over the baby-super 17 timeskip which is 1 year long, goku in base became stronger than his ssj4 self in the baby arc
s17 arc ssj goku is on par with initial super 17 & initial super 17 was stated to be the ultimate machine mutant, suggesting inital super 17 > golden oozaru baby (a machine mutant)
this is stated by the narrator, official toei website & dr myu and gero who did research on earth ever since their demise meaning they are aware of golden oozaru baby
golden oozaru baby was considerably stronger than ssj4 goku's 10x kamehameha so overall
initial super 17 = s17 arc ssj goku > s17 arc base goku ≈ golden oozaru baby > 10x kamehameha ssj4 goku in the baby arc
goku got a ssj4 boost in 1 year despite there being no new villains to prepare against or having anyone to train with (the others are still weak so id assume goku didn't train with them)
so this training boost is more accurate and applicable than the fusion or EoZ boost and it would be MASSIVE
i have the ssj4 multiplier at 11.5x10¹²
so essentially post 100yr timeskip goku could have gotten (11.5x10¹²)¹⁰⁰ times stronger in those 100 years
that would equate to 1.45 x 10¹³¹⁸, which very much guaranteed stomps ssj4 gogeta into oblivion
Kid Buu is only the strongest in the anime slop. Goku explicitly says Super Buu will kill them if they leave now
I didn't say Kid Buu was the strongest, but he is stronger than Super Buu, even in the manga, for the reasons I laid out.
@@Unremarkable6969wait he is?
@@HoagieDSub Goku says that Buu's Ki is rising when he goes from Super Buu to Kid Buu, and Kid Buu is able to push back a spirit bomb with energy from Ultimate Gohan in it.
@@Unremarkable6969i always thought that was just goku being too weak not kid buu being stronger
@@HoagieDSub Well in the scene where they said Buu’s ki was rising, Goku and Vegeta calmed down when Kid Buu finished his transformation, thinking that he wasn’t that much of a threat anymore. The rise in ki could’ve just been the result of kid Buu expelling the power of those Super Buu absorbed. We even see him expell Fat Buu later on. Also, the spirit bomb may not be a good gauge of power. The spirit bomb ended kill Kid Buu, so his raw power wasn’t above it. It was just a matter of Goku being too weak to push it, and when he got his energy back, he only needed ssj. This just shows the limits of the spirit bomb, that the user can’t push it on an opponent 400 times stronger.
Time skip goku kills xeno and grand priest with a kick to the stummy 💨
GOKU SLAMS😭
The winner is Goku.
Gogeta SSJ4 is at least 1000 times stronger than Ssj4 Goku before the time skip and I am low-balling.
Hear me out, in the Buu saga was stated that the fusion was stronger the sum of the two warriors fusing, so the minimum power of a fusion of two warriors with relative power is at least the added power of their base form? No, it's at least the added power in their maximum power in their strongest form. So in this Logic, Base Gotenks would be equivalent to at least two SSJ goten or two SSJ Trunks.
If you watch Broly's movie, you'll see that SSJ Gogeta started to humiliate SSJ broly and broly humiliated SSJ BLUE Goku and Vegeta and Golden freezer. And let's remember that even though Base broly was losing to Goku, he was not getting humiliated, in fact he was giving some fight, so i would say that base broly was just slightly inferior to Goku Blue. So the only explanation of why Gogeta surpassed this broly in SSJ 1, it's that Gogeta was stronger than SSJ BLUE Goku and if you take that statement of the Buu saga you can argue that he was 2 times stronger than Goku since Gogeta has the combined strength of Goku and Vegeta wich was equal to Goku.
So a base GT Gogeta would be at least two times stronger than SSJ4 goku and in SSJ4 he should be at least 1000 stronger (the SSJ4 is at least a 500 times multiplicator since it's a mix of a ssj wich is a 50 times multiplicator and the ozaru it's a 10 times multiplicator)
0:09 why blud pink
Clearly Goku, have u seen his chin maxxing?
I need you to do blade vs spiderman because for some reason everybody thinks spiderman would crush blade when the feats say other wise
i would go with 100 year timeskip Goku on this one, i think 100 years is enough for Goku to surpass a 10x boost that Fusion dance gives.
100 timeskip would be essentially stronger than omega shenron based off what was shown. Ssj4 gogeta wasn't at his full potential when fighting omega because goku was badly beaten and was fighting non-stop stop since the Super 17 arc. And his 100 time big bang didn't kill omega, even though he was holding back he thought it was going to kill him. After omega "killed" goku he tanked and killed omega with the spirit bomb so he would be atleast stronger than when he was ssj4 so if it took 6 years to be at the level of gohan ssj2 teen. I think it more than enough to be at a higher level with a better potential of growth
Did you saw Lonk Takes's video about the vsbattle wiki?
Yeah, I saw it. Good video, I actually think Lonks Takes has a really nice voice, and his editing style is relaxed and easy on the eyes, which is appreciate, especially compared to Divine or Goji-Chronic.
My basic thoughts are, power scaling is a science. There are many different ways you can interpret feats and statements. So I don't take offense to the scaling on VS Battles Wiki. I especially think their DBS speed scaling is atrocious, but I can overlook it because it's just someone else's interpretation.
@@Unremarkable6969 What do you think about his claim that every time the universe was mentioned in the pre-dbs era, what was actually being referred to was the living world only?
To be honest, I've always viewed the terms as interchangeable. I don't 100% agree, especially with GT and its extended material. There's also the idea of retroactive continuity, or new ideas providing context for old ideas. It generally doesn't affect any of my personal scaling.
@@Unremarkable6969 I see, what about his claim that Buuhan's screaming feat is not a feat of raw power?
@@MetalHopper He's just wrong, there are multiple statements in the anime and guidebooks that Buuhan was doing it with his raw power.
Headcanon wants to say SSJ4 because that's always my answer in these :D
100 years!!!
Should’ve been 1 minute scaling. One statement knocks this whole idea away.
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13:08
I mean a ssj4 gogeta from gt vs a goku who aged back into an adult, trained for decades and is from a 100 years into the future. Yeah i mean its goku, the man who always trains and pushes past his very own limits. So yeah i go with goku
100 YEARS GOLD SSJ6 GOKU🎉🎉🎉😮😮😮😊😊😊😁😁😁👍👍👍
*Vine Boom
*Guitar Riff
btw im not sure if anyone noticed but the number was actually in the septillions not the sextillions also w video
@@thebestcakegoku7346 I am not a math person, sorry 😓
@Unremarkable6969 no worries bro I'm just here to help out fr
A better fusion multiplier would be:
10x (A Max form) + (B Max form)= Fusion Base Form.@@Unremarkable6969
That equation doesn't have standing in canon, so
Goku in awakened state when he was gathering energy for the Spirit Bomb received an attack from Omega Shenron while he was in his base form and Goku took it without harm
Knowing that Omega Shenron is about 10 times stronger than Goku SSJ4
And it is mentioned in the Daizenshu that to receive an attack without damage you must produce twice the attack power
Which means even before 100 years of Time Skip Goku gets a power boost to the point of his base form being stronger than Goku SSJ4 (before awakened state) 20 times
So it is not an exaggeration to say that GT Goku in awakened state even before Time Skip is close to or even stronger than Gogeta SSJ4
Which means 100 years of training will be just Overkill
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Goku after 100 years of Time Skip is a fusion of Goku with Shenron
Which means at the very least he has the same abilities as Omega Shenron including that he is completely immortal where even if he is cut into small pieces he can regenerate again like Omega Shenron did after receiving the Dragon Fist and other different abilities
We can go so far as to say that he can fulfill any wish for himself within the limits of his power, which means that he has the ability to do anything he can imagine, which makes him broken
The simplest thing is to cancel Gogeta's fusion if he is at a loss
Goku at the end of GT literally becomes an immortal god. He 1 taps
The scan of gogeta=vegito is "gogeta is relative to vegito" but takao koyama stated that gogeta=vegito
So scan vs statement?
@LuhZay3 this one is new, they're literally the same thing
@@Mxlform if we’re going off of pure wins, gogeta is VASTLY superior
@@LuhZay3 probably, but no
@@Mxlformthe scan was the statement buddy it's say they are equal in trump card not in strength so vegito slams
Where'd you get 144 million from? I could not understand that.
The power level of Goku, 8,000, times the power level of Vegeta, 18,000, is 144 million. A times B.
@Unremarkable6969 Oh, you used 8,000. Okay, I forget it's supposed to be 8,000 but was mistranslated into 9,000 which is what I was using. I kept getting 162 million.
@@legendarywolverine5529 You're chill
Can 100 year time skip SSJ4 Goku beat Chin Hong Kong 97?
Both still neg diff Cabba
@@shiori00 Mhmhmhm
@Unremarkable6969 good videos btw. Even if I disagree with some scales they're still informative and well made. Plus a lot more interesting than other powerscaling youtubers imo
The current Power Scaling meta on RUclips is dog shit.
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Yeah I mean they both have 2-C scaling
100 years in heaven ? goku ? training for 100 years ? he definetely is as strong as goku AF or stronger
Dragon Ball AF Goku VS Dragon Ball Kakumei Goku
@Unremarkable6969 AF way stronger than kakumei bruh, the feats are just better drawn in kakumei so it gives the illusion of being stronger
I feel like only BoG can apply to gt and not RoF (i dont remember if it was this video u said it was arguable to include)
Can you also react to KAZI's gt goku scaling video? He scales him to outerversal with irrelevant speed.
Just search "How strong is gt goku"
I've seen it yeah, and it's a good video. I don't really have anything to debunk, but if I ever start doing reaction content, I'll do that
@Unremarkable6969 well maybe u can use BoG (maybe) + stuff u mentioned like arale and stuff used in kazi's video to make a definitive gt goku scale
Also when super goku vs gt goku ong
Like do u have a scheduled day?
Goku is stronger. If Goku surpassed Vegito/Gogeta SSJ after an unknown amount of years went past into GT. He can do the same to Gogeta SSj4 after 100 years. In fact that Goku is kinda mysterious as he basically brought Pan back from near death. Gogeta is strong but he did failed to kill Omega Shenron, something the spirit bomb did easily.
4:44 Despite whatever the guy says, which is clearly states is equal to go to. No this is not true because power level wise as well as stamina wise. Vegeta did not buy omega Shen Ron anywhere near the long duration of time prior to him becoming an SSJ4.
Here we have a perfect example of a guide book that is faulty an unreliable when it comes to power scaling feet consistently. It has a statement versus the feet that actually took place in GT. Beats are always more powerful and binding dance statements without proven feats to pack to back them up. Super Saiyan four Goku is steel more powerful than Vegeta even though Vegeta is an SSJ4 is in the same realm of power and Goku is simply still on a higher level. Technically the only time Vegeta surpass SSJ4 Goku is one Vegeta himself turned into a Golden Oozaru.
@@jordanglasper1064 guidebooks > whatever made up stuff you came up with.
Omega was only bested against SSJ4 Goku because of the Dragon Fist. When Omega gets serious, both Goku and Vegeta were getting equally bodied.
wait, it´s not suposse to be that Gogeta is (Goku Max Power + Vegeta Max Power) x 100¿ or is just the potara thing that do that?
@@makrongamin1685 I've never seen an actual statement using this "Max Power of A + Max Power of B x 100" equation. I know what you're talking about, it was an equation used frequently by the Saiyan Scholar.
@@Unremarkable6969 Ohh, I see I see. My Bad- ¡Nice video btw!
We just not going to talk about how Goku literally achieved Nirvana this Goku and gogeta both can take I think it's called a death ball to the face unharmed so
Negative Karma Ball :3
Cabba can't touch both. Because both easily have immeasurable speed so a buu saga level type can't touch GT shit.
merry christmas! sorry if im late but could you re-clarify on goku's fusion-amp training boost during the 7 year timeskip?
from what i heard, i understood
base buu saga goku > inital gotenks > base goten = base cell saga goku
is this correct?
@--scroll-- yep
@ would goku be stronger than inital base gotenks or ssj gotenks?
Do you want to make Joker vs Giorno debunk?
They down balled Joker Sooooooooooooooo much. And I think some people don't understand Return to Zero. They say Return to Zero is a Stay at Zero power. But what am I saying? Even Giorno doesn't know what it is.
Maybe
The End of GT Goku wins
No diff off
This ain’t the main point of the video and only a small section I know, but Nah, Ultimate Gohan is stronger than SSJ3 Goku in both the manga and anime. When Goku and Vegeta noted Super Buu was getting stronger, that was referring to the Buff Buu. When he shrank back down to Kid Buu, Goku and Vegeta were legit laughing at him despite still actively sensing his ki. Then as Kid Buu revealed more of his power, Goku got more serious and he concluded Buu was on the level of him at SSJ3 at full power.
As for why Gohan is stronger though, aside from him being stronger than Super Buu and relative to Buutenks who are both stronger than SSJ3 Goku, after Goku failed to beat Kid Buu, Goku’s initial suggestion rather than wishing for himself to be at full power again was to wish Gohan, Goten and Trunks to the Kaioshin Realm so they could kill Buu.
And for reference, Gohan is ridiculously stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks who himself is on the same level as Super Buu, with Gohan being able to match Super Buu + SSJ3 Gotenks combined before Buutenks started using mind games and mental warfare. So Gohan would be doing the majority of the work with Kid Buu in this hypothetical scenario Goku came up with.
But Vegeta told him no and to let the Earthlings fend for themselves with the Spirit Bomb
"Hang in there Kakarot, you're number one!" - Vegeta, seeing Goku fight Kid Buu
You can literally argue goku from the very next episode is stronger than gogeta. Changed state aint a joke but beyond that he even merged with the dragonballs immediately afterwards and we see by witnessing the jump from syn to omega that they should grant a power boost. So if episode 64 goku can make a case by default 100 year time skip goku just no diffs considering he has only grown exponentially
So I'm curious, since Akira said he always trains why is gokus power level around 400 in the beginning of z after five years of training
I'm stronger. Video over
End of Z Goku has a goal to surpass Uub that why he maybe trained harder than End of GT Goku
How are stealing time, the purpose of this, is the shell we can quantify and accurately measure how strong go to get over the course of period time. The timeframe will start with one year. And we’re gonna start with his power level at the beginning of the phrase are also known as the saying saga. Over 8000, so accurately what is needed go to power level is could be 8001 but cannot exceed 8999. Because the power level at 9000 exceeds 8000 and his power level is only in the range of 8001 and cannot exceed 8999.
For years I put Goku at 8200 if you come up with a different number. Be at higher or lower than the number I have, it is fine because it fits within the storytelling narrative.
Goku’s starts off with the power level at 8200, the reason why I’m starting off DBZ specifically the phrase art with Goku‘s power level into the thousands place value. Is because a power level within the 100s place value is far too low it can be scaled but it doesn’t accurately measure up he’s able to get far more powerful but we can use the power level of 416 to show how strong he gets as a whole. It’s just a better comparative scale if you start off with the power level in the thousands place value and move forward.
Goku goes from 416 to 8,200. When you do the math 416 x 20 = 8,320. This sum total is he really close to my estimated 8200. You can go with you but you would want to stick with my number in order to accurately measure how strong go to get beyond this point.
Goku trains or six days in route to planet Namek. He goes from a power level of most likely over 9000 because he received after he was defeated on earth by Vegeta. So we could say his power level is 9200 just to make it easy. He didn’t get that much stronger but he did technically get stronger.
Goku’s greatest games come from his training in the Spacepod that was re-created and reconstructive by bombers father Dr. brief. Goku goes from my power level of 9,200 to 90,000. It might not seem like it but this is actually an insignificant elevation and Goku’s power level in comparison To his power level at 4:16 jumping up to 8200 or 8320 based on the map either or it doesn’t matter but for a reference and comparison we’re gonna stick with 8200 being the standard.
You can start off at 8200 or you can start up with 9200 Goku‘s power level elevates to 90,000 if you use the first stat then Goku game I’d say about a 11,000 multiplier but if you use the second stat the Goku game a little bit less than a 10 times multiplier. This all depends on whatever number you want to use in order to either upscale Goku power by just a bit or downhill his PowerLevel by just a bit, you are good either way.
on Namek Goku‘s power level is 90,000. What his training on his Spacepod for spaceship for six days allowed him to Master The Kaio-Ken technique. This grants Goku the ability to surpass his maximum limit 10 times at minimum, and 20 times at maximum.
After various fights and adventures on planet Namek go to get severely injured. He gets healed in a time chamber or in a chamber. They elevated his power level from 90,000 to 3,000,000.
Let’s do the map to see how strong Goku got within six days to attain a power level at 3 million. How are you do the math sometimes these numbers are going to be a little bit higher or a little bit lower. We’re going to round up to the lowest common denominator.
Let’s do the math. 8,200 x 370 =
3,034,000. Rounded off to 3,000,000. Including Super Saiyan Goku. 8,200 x 18,300 = 150,060,000. Rounded up to 150,000,000. Goku achieved eight 18,300 multiplier over the course of six days. That might stops any and all fusion multipliers by an unprecedented massively high degree. This is Goku in the Frieza Arc.
In the cell arc, Goku went from a power level at 3 billion to the power level of 150 billion. When you do the math 150 million times what equals 150, billion? That multiplier is the answer to how strong Goku got over the course of three years. That three years is also multiplied by how strong Goku got over the course of 21 hours that 21 hours is condense down to nearly 9 months inside of the hyperbolic time chamber. If Goku can get the strong in this short amount of time, how strong can Goku get in 10 years one year 100 years? He be omnipotent at bare minimum which is what he is and he definitely be far more powerful than the strongest version of super Saiyan four Gogeta. Base form Goku is massively stronger than him.
Goku’s went from only being able to get 20 times stronger over the course of 11 months, but he went to Getty far more powerful over the course of one year, and over the course of one month then we can dance that down to one day he becomes massively more powerful. 18,300 times more powerful over the course of six days. This is a Frieza Arden Goku’s quantifiably becomes far more powerful from the Frieza orc to the cell arc because it goes from the power level of 150,000,000 to 150,000,000,000 in the cell games. Goku’s trains for seven years straight in other world and becomes massively I mean massively overwhelmingly exceedingly more powerful than he ever has been. So much so he becomes the strongest character or at least the strongest Z fighter in the boot park. So Goku was the strongest in the freezer, go on dates to Goku training became the strongest in the cell ark. Gohan couldn’t do that on his own that’s what so many fans overlook. But guess what Goku becomes the strongest in the universe again, in the Buu Arc. Gohan never surpassed Goku in this art alone. Goku was the only Z fighter who kept on hiding how strong he truly was. Every other Z fighter specifically the sayings got stronger by way of magic or training. But none of them goes in catalyst they don’t get stronger from after merging or fusing that’s out. So Goku was supremely powerful he was more powerful than everybody else the whole time.
I don't think goku went to otherworld I think he went to the otherotherworld where shenron lays there like a lazy piece of- sorry forgot what got over me but you got my point.
Peter Griffin versus sonic please movie and Peter wins
More like Caseoh Vs Peter Griffin
Doesnt matter since Goku wins either way
All I’m gonna is in 100 years ssj5 Goku slaps that ssj4 gogeta. 😂😂 honestly with that amount of time Goku might hit ssj10😂
SSJ5 Goku is incalculable
Wouldn't the 100-year timeskip mean nothing? He spent 100 years not training. If he did decide to train, it wouldn't be with shenron, he'd just head back to earth and train with vegeta. Shenron is a bit too weak to train with goku. Remember what demon king piccolo did to shenron? Even krillin would be a better sparring partner.
Obviously, he isn't training with Shenron. (Or maybe?)
13:37 There is quite an easy way to debunk this since ur using manga,we know Ssj2 is explicitly stated to be a x2 boost.
Gohan was a lil above Goku in the cell games,got Ssj2 and you can argue even an anger amp on top of that.
For safe estimates just give 1.5x for the difference between them as MSS,2x for Ssj2 and another 2x for his rage amp.
And Goku is only stated to surpass this threshold as a Ssj2 himself.
Meaning Goku literally got at best 6-12x stronger in 7 years and half of that is due to Ssj2.
@@mvp746 small problem with your argument is cell is still alot stronger then goku at that point and Gohan was able to keep up
I'm not using the manga, I used scans from the manga cause it's easier for editing purposes :3
Plus, I was really proud of that part when I lined all the manga panels up together to make it look like Goten and Trunks were doing the fusion dance
@@thebestcakegoku7346 a 1.5x difference will do that,its not a problem of my arg rather your knowledge of the show.
Ntm Suppressed Cell was not that much stronger than Goku in the manga.
@@Unremarkable6969 oh lol.
Well in any case its just better to stick to anime stuff if its an anime video talk as it could lead to confusion.
Earned a like either way.
The sprint bomb is made of ganki not ki, gohans life energy was only used not his full ki.
Goku likely received several zenkais which but his ssj3 over gohan for a short time, but after Gohans revival he was probably stronger.
The spirit bomb in Super was strong enough to make everyone think Goku was dead, in the Tournament of Power.
What if I donated 100K to do a water vs fire video
Ten hour video essay
im pretty early in but do people not realize 100yts goku is literally him after GT?? meaning hes pretty much hit nirvana??? it very much makes sense that wukong would get his ass beat by fighting buddah wukong in a theoretical matchup. even if gogeta is the “ultimate warrior” he doesnt matchup to goku being the fighting god pretty much
also the kais and piccolo in GT/TS confirm he was NOT in the afterlife and was somewhere by definition inaccessible since even kais cant go there, which tracks with suguroku space and other shit. Super Heroes and other games that feature GT content call it the Dragon Realm