Timeline of what is covered: Intro: 00:25 Behind the Scenes Works: 02:37 Hybrids: 04:58 Canon Media: 9:28 - The Film & Film Adaptations 28:15 - Sequels: 35:00 Other Media: 37:27 Summary: 40:33
The two horribly clashing songs in the background (one, the movie's main theme, the other, an intelligible rap/hip-hop song) are very distracting. 'Any chance that you could re-upload this video, but with the songs removed (or at least, the rap/hip-hop song)?
unfortunately i can't the audio was tied to the vocals... ya that is one song... when i originally heard it it sounded like it was more int he background, but on other speakers i can hear it more. that was new method i was trying so i'll keep that in mind next times. thanks for the feedback.
Just finished Age of Resistance and I have the need to learn more about Thra. Thanks for the video, I know what I'll read for the next couple of months
@@DarkCrystalConjunction thank you the rap track was so hard when i wanted to listen to you if you do decide to redo this video it would be great to take that rap track out
Thank you so much for the video. Immediately after watching Age of Resistance I wanted to learn more about Thra and its history. Now I know what I will do until season 2 is released.
I have always loved the movie and never know about any books or comics but thanks to your channel I've just finished my first book, and as you said I've read THE WORLD OF THE DARK CRYSTAL, what a marvelous book... Thank you so much for everything you're doing, I'll keep collecting and reading each book/comic as you suggested, thanks again 💜
Thank you so much for this video, this must've taken forever to research everything and edit this whole thing together. This is such a clear and all encompassing guide. I was so pleasantly surprised to find a channel like this for this fandom. :) :)
So far the Age of Resistance comics are 30 trine before the Netflix series and not sure about "Wisdom" yet. Thought that one sounds like it will just be quotes from Aughra and not necessarily a story. But I do plan to update this guide in November when those other books come out.
I binged the dark crystal age of resistance in 3 days and I fell so hard in love with the whole world. I watched the original film as a kid but definitely going to watch it again now as an adult and then dive into all the reading material, I'm so excited! 💜
Good news about World of the Dark Crystal, it looks like it's getting a reprint in early 2020 from Insight Editions at a reasonable price! Know what I'm reading next year.
I read the book when it first came out--before the movie! It was the only publication at that time that named the planet Thra. I was surprised it wasn't in the movie.
I swear I’m not hating or anything! I just wanted to say you misspelled “Trial by Fire” to “Trail by Fire”. I swear I’m not triggered or anything! Just wanted to let you know! Also loved this video! Thanks so much! 💕
I have some (if not all) of the Kindle editions of these items. I have the read-a-long book with the record! I've had one as a kid, but it was lost in a flood. I managed to find another one on Ebay.
I bought the Creation Myths Complete collection instead of getting the all separate. It looks like its 256 pages but all 3 separate comes out to 308 i think it was? I'm debating if i should cancel the complete book and get them all separate instead if im really going to be missing out on 52 pages more or less. I guess i could also always just have the complete book and then get the other 3 but that might be a lot of wasted money.
In one of the countless billions of galaxies in the universe, lies three various sized stars. And one of their satelites, a green and insignificant planet, is now dead.
Yay great video. I DL some to read on my next flight...some were on kindle unlimited! I was wee bit confused because some of the other comics were different prices for the same story, is that just older or newer editions?
Glad you took advantage of the great Kindle Unlimited deal! Could be the difference between individual comics and getting them bound together in the graphic novels versions. Got links?
I never saw the movie until a month ago. I remember the movie being on tv, but I was little. All I wanted to see was Kermit the Frog if I was going to watch something by Jim Henson. I loved the movie and I loved the Netflix series as well. Now I’m a Dark Crystal junkie! I can’t get enough of it now.
Haha, many people had similar thoughts... A kids movie from Henson... THOSE AREN'T CUTE MUPPETS! and thus it didn't do amazing at the box office :D but glad it eventually became a cult classic.
There's another youtuber who makes Dark Crystal related videos called Dreamfast With Me. He mentions basically how they keep Stranger Things going, despite how season 2 and 3 had lower ratings than Age of Resistance. Also, Age of Resistance won an Emmy, but that doesn't mean anything. 🙄 Does anyone know why Netflix cancelled it?
As disappointed as I am that Netflix cancelled season 2 of Age of Resistance, I recently decided to basically learn about Thra history and some things after. I was going to get the sequel graphic novels, but it seems like they're new stories with possible little to no connection with previous characters. I wanted to know what happens with previous characters from Dark Crystal after the movie. I bought two of the book series books related to Age of Resistance at Barnes and Noble, because they only had 2 and 3. I ordered 1 and 4 on Amazon. Today on Barnes and Noble I ordered the complete collection in hardcover for Creation Myths. It has all the volumes for the graphic novels or comics. It was $42 and change with free shipping. I looked at the individual ones and they people were charging too much so I thought this was a better deal. I kind of want to get Novelization in hardcover, but the only recently priced one I could find was from a seller on eBay.
We don't know what happens to the characters of Age of Resistance yet... the YA Novels by J. M. Lee do give us more details on some characters... I really need to do an updated version of this video.
Thanks for both of your videos. I'm in the exact position you made the videos for. I didn't know there were books for The Dark Crystal. I was born in 1984 so the movie first premiered before I was born and I actually didn't watch it until recently and rewatched it after rewatching the series, in case Netflix removes it completely. 🙄 I do hope they put season one out on bluray or DVD.
I have many of the Dark Crystal books, except for like Making of Dark Crystal, and the comic sequels. Just the first two. I have most of the others tho.
Hello I’m in the The Dark Crystal Fase and I would love to about about Jim Henson’s The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths, SPECIALLY the one of vol.2 that have like 14 or 12 comics? Books? I really would (actually NEED PLEASE) like to know about that. I found it on Amazon. I would like to know if it is Creation Myths vol.2 in parts or comics or other tales between Creation Myths vol.2 and vol.3 I will really appreciate because I can’t find a description or a look inside or even a sample on Kindle that can clear this questions. Once again I will really appreciate it. Thank for your time reading my comment, The Dark Crystal Conjuction.
Creation Myths is in 3 volumes (3 graphic novels total), they are all connected and I start talking about them at the 13:00 minute mark. Do you have volume 1 already? That is where you want to start. Amazon also now sells complete collections that have all three volumes in one book.That answer your question? Feel free to put the link of the one you looking at and I can give you more details.
The Dark Crystal Conjunction Hi thank you so much but sadly that I already knew but here is the link... www.amazon.com/-/es/s?k=jim+henson+the+dark+crystal+creation+myths+vol+2+%23 This is what I’m talking about. But thank you for the time to answer.
I watched the Netflix prequils and it was beautiful so i watched the movie and i still wanted more so now i am collection every single piece of the dark crystal
Ya, several have mentioned that. With all the new books coming out I would like to redo this one and the shorter version of this and I will definitely be fixing the rap issue :D
What if the Seek-&-Find book pulls a FNAF & sneaks in new landscapes & creatures that will be introduced in Age of Resistence? That'd be weird but cool.
Does anyone else suspect that "J.J. Llewellyn" (purported author of "The World of the Dark Crystal") is actually a fictional character? Seriously, he has nothing else in his bibliography, and nothing in the book written by him is "out-universe". If so, he'd be the only confirmed human in the Dark Crystal universe. If anyone has a twitter account, perhaps they could ask Froud for a quick confirmation of this theory. It would be nice to have it in writing.
Yes, I have regrets about that :D I need to redo this with the newer books when they come out. There is a 10 minute version of this that is less background cray cray: ruclips.net/video/AMvDU0Udx64/видео.html
That is the last song "Divided - UrRu & Skeksis feat. An Hobbes" on Zalenka's "The Dark Crystal Mixtape". They posted that album online here: ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=Zalenka+-+The+Dark+Crystal+Mixtape
I know it's canon now, or at least I assume it is, but I really dislike the post film material and especially the name, Age of Power. Why Power? The Skeksis, the ones who craved power, are gone. If Jen and Kira learned Anything they wouldn't want to rule over an Age of Power. Anything would be better. My personal preference would be Age of Truth.
Ya, there isn't anything DC that isn't canon. But I too am not a fan of anything after the film... both stories rank in the bottom two out of all DC material. As far as the name, at the end of this film the UrSkeks tell Jen that one of the things they did was "restored the true power of the crystal." and now they are tasked to "Make your world in its light." So, with that in mind the name makes sense, it doesn't have to mean a tyrannical, or evil power. BUt story wise, bleh
@@DarkCrystalConjunction Yeah, it still just sounds off to me thematically. It doesn't sound like what Jim Henson would have called it. Power in and of itself is neither good nor evil but after the Skeksis...it's like if in Star Wars they called the time of the New Republic post-Return of the Jedi 'The Age of Force'. No no no. The Age of THE Force maybe. The Age of Force would just make everyone subconsciously think of the Empire. Why not the Age of Light? The Age of Hope? For my own head canon I am going with The Age of Truth, for that best fits the era of the true power of The Crystal of Truth IMO.
@@DarkCrystalConjunction In the World Of The Dark Crystal Aughra said the shard went up and onto the mountain side, in Dark Crystal Creation Myths it went down into the lake of fire, In the world of the dark crystal The urSkek's trying were to purify themselves vs them trying to get home. I'm sort of OCD with The Dark Crystal and changing those things confused me.
@@SamK1281 ah ya,... i look at that as he different stories giving more information or explaining it from another perspective. The UrSkeks were trying to get home we just find out more about that, in that they were exiles and needed to be purified in order to get home (though that is hinted in World). And as far as the shard, that chamber has many tunnels so it isn't improbably to think that it bumps up against a mountain side, an intra-cavern one, i suppose.
Ya, thankfully it is just the first couple of minutes (it really didn't sounds that off on my earphones for whatever reason but I regret it now). I made another, shorter version here: ruclips.net/video/AMvDU0Udx64/видео.html and when the newer books release next month then I will do this again without that music :D
Is nothing sacred to thieves? I mean, obviously it takes no talent or brains to do rap but rap set to the dark crystal theme is sacreligous and gross. Rap and hip hop has destroyed and bastardized the music industry until it is unrecognizable. It used to take talent and charisma to be a famous musician. Now it just takes being a minority and a little luck.
It takes no talent or brains to do rap? You obviously know VERY little about hip-hop music if you believe that. Listen to an Eminem or Jay-Z song and try coming up with even 10% of what they can and then tell me that it takes no talent to do what they do. Yes, nowadays most rap music is shitty, buts thats just because its become pop at this point. I feel like you've never even given REAL hip-hop music a chance but just mindlessly repeated what you hear other people say about the genre and you should know what youre talking about before you go around spewing absolute nonsense.
Timeline of what is covered:
Intro: 00:25
Behind the Scenes Works: 02:37
Hybrids: 04:58
Canon Media: 9:28
- The Film & Film Adaptations 28:15
- Sequels: 35:00
Other Media: 37:27
Summary: 40:33
The two horribly clashing songs in the background (one, the movie's main theme, the other, an intelligible rap/hip-hop song) are very distracting.
'Any chance that you could re-upload this video, but with the songs removed (or at least, the rap/hip-hop song)?
unfortunately i can't the audio was tied to the vocals... ya that is one song... when i originally heard it it sounded like it was more int he background, but on other speakers i can hear it more. that was new method i was trying so i'll keep that in mind next times. thanks for the feedback.
Also, since this one got long and a little out of scope, I made a MUCH shorter version. Hope that helps: ruclips.net/video/AMvDU0Udx64/видео.html
Just finished Age of Resistance and I have the need to learn more about Thra. Thanks for the video, I know what I'll read for the next couple of months
The backing song you used is annoying & makes it difficult to focus on what you’re saying.
This would be better with the original background music, not the rap track.
It sounds like you are trying to talk over one another.
It fades out soon enough. And lesson learned, I never did that again :)
@@DarkCrystalConjunction thank you the rap track was so hard when i wanted to listen to you if you do decide to redo this video it would be great to take that rap track out
@@dawndayton9937 I'm redoing it in Nov when 3 new books drop and I will definately be taking the rap advice :D
Geez what a marvelous collection of lore! Well I know what I’m doing with my Christmas money!!
For the love of god! please remove this annoying rap music in the background. I can't even hear what you are saying.
Yes I agree! I came to the comments just to complain about the music!
OML THANK YOU SO MUCH! I was so confused on what to read first! You deserve more subs!
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Thank you so much for the video. Immediately after watching Age of Resistance I wanted to learn more about Thra and its history. Now I know what I will do until season 2 is released.
Thanks, and I plan to update this video when three new books drop next month.
I’m trying so hard to get people to pick this up. It’s so good, so detailed, beautiful Artwork, amazing storytelling.
This is such a great video. Hopefully it gets even more hits with the hype around Age of Resistance. Thanks for making this informative video!!
The channel deserves more subs, hope he comes back to review the new Netflix show or something!!
I'm so happy I found your RUclips Channel! This is awesome, thanks!
I have always loved the movie and never know about any books or comics but thanks to your channel I've just finished my first book, and as you said I've read THE WORLD OF THE DARK CRYSTAL, what a marvelous book...
Thank you so much for everything you're doing, I'll keep collecting and reading each book/comic as you suggested, thanks again 💜
Thank you so much for this video, this must've taken forever to research everything and edit this whole thing together. This is such a clear and all encompassing guide. I was so pleasantly surprised to find a channel like this for this fandom. :) :)
Where do the Age of Resistance comics + Aughra's Wisdom of Thra fit in?
So far the Age of Resistance comics are 30 trine before the Netflix series and not sure about "Wisdom" yet. Thought that one sounds like it will just be quotes from Aughra and not necessarily a story. But I do plan to update this guide in November when those other books come out.
I binged the dark crystal age of resistance in 3 days and I fell so hard in love with the whole world. I watched the original film as a kid but definitely going to watch it again now as an adult and then dive into all the reading material, I'm so excited! 💜
Loving the fact that Dark Crystal Age of resistance turned out to be another side of Shadows and Song
In the preliminary sketches of unused SKeksis, is the one on the left page in the upper right hand corner Skekgra the Heretic?
Bingo! I put those side by side here: ruclips.net/channel/UC1m2U77_W7__l1u6G_AA3Xgcommunity?lb=UgxTfMvRfm76OUwizVx4AaABCQ
this is being re-released in hard cover Jan 2020
World of the Dark Crystal, I assume you are talking about?
@@DarkCrystalConjunction yes. Can;t beleive i forgot to name the book...
Luckily there's the description because I can't understand what you're saying in the video so
I am revamping and updating this in a couple weeks... Ya, I wish I could fix this audio but it is on a now dead computer.
Good news about World of the Dark Crystal, it looks like it's getting a reprint in early 2020 from Insight Editions at a reasonable price! Know what I'm reading next year.
Yes, I am very excited about that news.
I read the book when it first came out--before the movie! It was the only publication at that time that named the planet Thra. I was surprised it wasn't in the movie.
I swear I’m not hating or anything! I just wanted to say you misspelled “Trial by Fire” to “Trail by Fire”. I swear I’m not triggered or anything! Just wanted to let you know!
Also loved this video! Thanks so much! 💕
Oh, I see that now @ 24:54. Thanks, at first I was like,... why would I write that? Then I remembered it was the name of the 2nd manga. Thanks!
This was my favourite movie as a kid
I have some (if not all) of the Kindle editions of these items. I have the read-a-long book with the record! I've had one as a kid, but it was lost in a flood. I managed to find another one on Ebay.
I bought the Creation Myths Complete collection instead of getting the all separate. It looks like its 256 pages but all 3 separate comes out to 308 i think it was? I'm debating if i should cancel the complete book and get them all separate instead if im really going to be missing out on 52 pages more or less. I guess i could also always just have the complete book and then get the other 3 but that might be a lot of wasted money.
Beneath the Dark Crystal? What, will Jen go underground to find a society of telepathic gelflings who worship an atombomb?
In one of the countless billions of galaxies in the universe, lies three various sized stars. And one of their satelites, a green and insignificant planet, is now dead.
Yay great video. I DL some to read on my next flight...some were on kindle unlimited! I was wee bit confused because some of the other comics were different prices for the same story, is that just older or newer editions?
Glad you took advantage of the great Kindle Unlimited deal! Could be the difference between individual comics and getting them bound together in the graphic novels versions. Got links?
I never saw the movie until a month ago. I remember the movie being on tv, but I was little. All I wanted to see was Kermit the Frog if I was going to watch something by Jim Henson. I loved the movie and I loved the Netflix series as well. Now I’m a Dark Crystal junkie! I can’t get enough of it now.
Haha, many people had similar thoughts... A kids movie from Henson... THOSE AREN'T CUTE MUPPETS! and thus it didn't do amazing at the box office :D but glad it eventually became a cult classic.
There's another youtuber who makes Dark Crystal related videos called Dreamfast With Me. He mentions basically how they keep Stranger Things going, despite how season 2 and 3 had lower ratings than Age of Resistance. Also, Age of Resistance won an Emmy, but that doesn't mean anything. 🙄 Does anyone know why Netflix cancelled it?
They haven't formally said... the cost to make it is much more though... we go into more details here ruclips.net/video/wLipXDewDc0/видео.html
As disappointed as I am that Netflix cancelled season 2 of Age of Resistance, I recently decided to basically learn about Thra history and some things after. I was going to get the sequel graphic novels, but it seems like they're new stories with possible little to no connection with previous characters. I wanted to know what happens with previous characters from Dark Crystal after the movie. I bought two of the book series books related to Age of Resistance at Barnes and Noble, because they only had 2 and 3. I ordered 1 and 4 on Amazon. Today on Barnes and Noble I ordered the complete collection in hardcover for Creation Myths. It has all the volumes for the graphic novels or comics. It was $42 and change with free shipping. I looked at the individual ones and they people were charging too much so I thought this was a better deal. I kind of want to get Novelization in hardcover, but the only recently priced one I could find was from a seller on eBay.
We don't know what happens to the characters of Age of Resistance yet... the YA Novels by J. M. Lee do give us more details on some characters... I really need to do an updated version of this video.
Thanks for both of your videos. I'm in the exact position you made the videos for. I didn't know there were books for The Dark Crystal. I was born in 1984 so the movie first premiered before I was born and I actually didn't watch it until recently and rewatched it after rewatching the series, in case Netflix removes it completely. 🙄 I do hope they put season one out on bluray or DVD.
I have many of the Dark Crystal books, except for like Making of Dark Crystal, and the comic sequels. Just the first two. I have most of the others tho.
Watched the whole video thanks for reintroducing me to the wonderful world of Thra my friend. Can't wait for the Netflix series!!!
By any chance is there a link to this?
Link to what? If you are looking for the book titles they are all in the description
My collection is complete!!!!
Hello I’m in the The Dark Crystal Fase and I would love to about about Jim Henson’s The Dark Crystal: Creation Myths, SPECIALLY the one of vol.2 that have like 14 or 12 comics? Books? I really would (actually NEED PLEASE) like to know about that. I found it on Amazon. I would like to know if it is Creation Myths vol.2 in parts or comics or other tales between Creation Myths vol.2 and vol.3
I will really appreciate because I can’t find a description or a look inside or even a sample on Kindle that can clear this questions. Once again I will really appreciate it. Thank for your time reading my comment, The Dark Crystal Conjuction.
Creation Myths is in 3 volumes (3 graphic novels total), they are all connected and I start talking about them at the 13:00 minute mark. Do you have volume 1 already? That is where you want to start. Amazon also now sells complete collections that have all three volumes in one book.That answer your question? Feel free to put the link of the one you looking at and I can give you more details.
The Dark Crystal Conjunction Hi thank you so much but sadly that I already knew but here is the link... www.amazon.com/-/es/s?k=jim+henson+the+dark+crystal+creation+myths+vol+2+%23
This is what I’m talking about. But thank you for the time to answer.
The talking in the background music is too distracting.
I watched the Netflix prequils and it was beautiful so i watched the movie and i still wanted more so now i am collection every single piece of the dark crystal
enjoy them
@@DarkCrystalConjunction thanks
OMG -why did you have to use that ghetto music on the background?
Haha, yes... that track has proven to be divisive :P It don't last long :)
@The Dark Crystal Conjunction Thanks for the help, now I know where to start reading The Dark Crystal books. Edit books
My pleasure!
Good video but it's highly annoying to have the rap song in the back ground.
I don't think it fits in a video like this.
Ya, several have mentioned that. With all the new books coming out I would like to redo this one and the shorter version of this and I will definitely be fixing the rap issue :D
What if the Seek-&-Find book pulls a FNAF & sneaks in new landscapes & creatures that will be introduced in Age of Resistence? That'd be weird but cool.
I'd be all for that!
Please repost without the background music, I can’t hear what your saying
That ends after a couple of minutes but I do plan to do an updated one of these with the newest books and fix the music thing. Sorry about that.
Got you music loud music
Does anyone else suspect that "J.J. Llewellyn" (purported author of "The World of the Dark Crystal") is actually a fictional character? Seriously, he has nothing else in his bibliography, and nothing in the book written by him is "out-universe".
If so, he'd be the only confirmed human in the Dark Crystal universe. If anyone has a twitter account, perhaps they could ask Froud for a quick confirmation of this theory. It would be nice to have it in writing.
Pretty sure it is Brian Fround. :)
This is REALLY hard to watch with the background music? noise.
Yes, I have regrets about that :D I need to redo this with the newer books when they come out. There is a 10 minute version of this that is less background cray cray: ruclips.net/video/AMvDU0Udx64/видео.html
The rap in the background is very distracting. Nevertheless, thanks. This video is very helpful
Bro its 5 minutes in, you can stop explaining the video and warnings for spoilers and get to the video
The talking and lyrics in the background make it really hard to focus other than that great video
Dude just tell the story
What is that trash music, cut the vocals out
Dood who does the Dark Crystal Rap?
That is the last song "Divided - UrRu & Skeksis feat. An Hobbes" on Zalenka's "The Dark Crystal Mixtape". They posted that album online here: ruclips.net/user/results?search_query=Zalenka+-+The+Dark+Crystal+Mixtape
I know it's canon now, or at least I assume it is, but I really dislike the post film material and especially the name, Age of Power. Why Power? The Skeksis, the ones who craved power, are gone. If Jen and Kira learned Anything they wouldn't want to rule over an Age of Power. Anything would be better. My personal preference would be Age of Truth.
Ya, there isn't anything DC that isn't canon. But I too am not a fan of anything after the film... both stories rank in the bottom two out of all DC material. As far as the name, at the end of this film the UrSkeks tell Jen that one of the things they did was "restored the true power of the crystal." and now they are tasked to "Make your world in its light." So, with that in mind the name makes sense, it doesn't have to mean a tyrannical, or evil power. BUt story wise, bleh
@@DarkCrystalConjunction Yeah, it still just sounds off to me thematically. It doesn't sound like what Jim Henson would have called it. Power in and of itself is neither good nor evil but after the Skeksis...it's like if in Star Wars they called the time of the New Republic post-Return of the Jedi 'The Age of Force'. No no no. The Age of THE Force maybe. The Age of Force would just make everyone subconsciously think of the Empire. Why not the Age of Light? The Age of Hope? For my own head canon I am going with The Age of Truth, for that best fits the era of the true power of The Crystal of Truth IMO.
Haha, I hear ya.
I had to skip the first 3 minutes because the background song was actually super distracting and annoying..
Yeah if they only kept the lore in the World of the Dark Crystal
What do you mean "kept it"? They still refer to it and use it from what I can see.
@@DarkCrystalConjunction In the World Of The Dark Crystal Aughra said the shard went up and onto the mountain side, in Dark Crystal Creation Myths it went down into the lake of fire, In the world of the dark crystal The urSkek's trying were to purify themselves vs them trying to get home. I'm sort of OCD with The Dark Crystal and changing those things confused me.
@@SamK1281 ah ya,... i look at that as he different stories giving more information or explaining it from another perspective. The UrSkeks were trying to get home we just find out more about that, in that they were exiles and needed to be purified in order to get home (though that is hinted in World). And as far as the shard, that chamber has many tunnels so it isn't improbably to think that it bumps up against a mountain side, an intra-cavern one, i suppose.
TURN OFF THAT RAPP CRAP IN THE BACK GROUND!!!!
Your video is completely ruined by the music. Dam.
Ya, thankfully it is just the first couple of minutes (it really didn't sounds that off on my earphones for whatever reason but I regret it now). I made another, shorter version here: ruclips.net/video/AMvDU0Udx64/видео.html and when the newer books release next month then I will do this again without that music :D
Is nothing sacred to thieves? I mean, obviously it takes no talent or brains to do rap but rap set to the dark crystal theme is sacreligous and gross. Rap and hip hop has destroyed and bastardized the music industry until it is unrecognizable. It used to take talent and charisma to be a famous musician. Now it just takes being a minority and a little luck.
It takes no talent or brains to do rap? You obviously know VERY little about hip-hop music if you believe that. Listen to an Eminem or Jay-Z song and try coming up with even 10% of what they can and then tell me that it takes no talent to do what they do. Yes, nowadays most rap music is shitty, buts thats just because its become pop at this point. I feel like you've never even given REAL hip-hop music a chance but just mindlessly repeated what you hear other people say about the genre and you should know what youre talking about before you go around spewing absolute nonsense.