Dan Fouts HOF - Only made playoffs in 4 of his 15 seasons - Has a lower Passer Rating than Blake Bortles If he can make the HOF then Philip Rivers is definitely one.
@@Ajmovinwork 4 playoff years out of 15 is not all world in any time period. OP is spot on. Can’t have guys like Fouts in the Hall and then say no to Rivers
And yet they'll be shrews who think he doesn't deserve his Hall of Fame 🧥. The question is can the same people walk into a Miami bar and claim that Dan Marino doesn't deserve the hall? Can they walk into a San Diego or LA bar and say that Rivers doesn't deserve to go into the Hall? You know if there was no pandemic going on...
When you look at Dan Marino, I don't even need to look at his numbers to call him great. On the field, he's already great and a hall of Famer. He's the greatest quarterback to ever throw the football. He's a sniper. Now everybody will say that's Mahomes and Rodgers but Marino if he plays football in this era, he would throw 6000 yards and 60 touchdowns.
Yeah... But Marino was the BOAT...check out the year Marino had when he made the Superbowl back in 84. 5000 yds. 48 TDs... For 1984...THATS INSANE. it wasnt a passing league then
Ain’t no way he is top 5 in passing yards and top 5 in passing TD’s and he is not a HOFer. Can’t believe people are still talking about this a week later ☠️
@@StephenHSmith-mn4iq Fax he gives praise to Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul in the NBA(I am a BIG fan of both of them) and they're in the same boat as Philip rivers in the NFL.
Rivers missed his chance when Schottenheimer was coach. They had such good teams with Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, Quentin Jammer, Merriman and Phillips at LB....
Championships are vastly overrated when it comes to debating how great a player is or was. I think if he had at least made 1 Super Bowl the reaction to him being in the HOF would lean more towards me should be in. That's just me.
We could “if”anyone into the hall of fame. Reality is he never even competed in a Super bowl. Even if you claim they are overrated his resume is EMPTY when it comes to superbowls. Can’t be in the hof
These guys don’t know what the he’ll they’re talking about. Rivers is the definition of not giving up. He played in the snow 6 days after tearing his ACL. He is in the top 5-10 spots in almost every category as a quarterback in all history. He is definitely a HOF!!!!
0 all pros, 0 MVPs, 0 OPOYs, 0 conference titles, 0 Super Bowls. No awards besides comeback player of the year and pro bowls (only 8). Philip wasn’t special and he wasn’t great. The HOF is for transcendent players and talents who dominated, Philip never dominated and was never a top 3 quarterback. He’s in the hall of pretty good period.
252 straight games, not 1 game missed. Played on a torn ACL in the AFC Championship...Ironman, class act. Top 5 in pass tds and overall passing yards of all time. You sir PR deserve to be in the HOF.
I remember watching him one season where he went thru 8 to 10 recievers . His interceptions were trying to force playscwith rookies . He did great with what he had .
@@imonyourside8376 No. He's top 10 currently. The league is more pass happy then ever. If you vote in Rivers, guys like Matt Ryan and Stafford also have to be considered when they retire.
@@mneck9975 matt ryans probably gonna get in as he won a MVP, made a superbowl, and will end up well placed in all time stats (already is in a few). Should he get in is the better question imo (for ryan snd rivers)
Total yards and TDs is just a longevity award. Dude barely gets talked about his entire career and now that he’s retiring everyone crawls out of the woodwork to go to bat for him lmao. MAYBE he’d deserve to get in if he actually lead all time TD’s and yards, because at least there’s something that’s special about you. But otherwise no. IMO if you don’t at least have a super bowl appearance as a QB, you don’t belong in the hall of fame. You don’t even have to win, just get in the big game, but he couldn’t even do that.
Lets not forget, these dudes said he was done, and he went to the colts and balled out and got into the playoffs. And they never admitted that the chargers organization is trash, TRASH. They didn't even bring up that AFC championship game lol come on!
He played with LT a hall of famer. He played with Gates a hall of fame. Same squad and never got to a championship game in like 9 straight years. Rivers has never been considered a top 5 QB tbh. He's very very very good. But not one of the best
@@simoncohen4264 u say that like that’s impressive he played for almost 2 decades u do realize that right and all u have to say is he went to an afc championship game and lost lmaoo
@@BG33917 ok and your point like I said there is many players like that in the nfl hall of fame they are in and stay in there's no reason Phillip can't be either because there's nothing u can do or change that rivers was exactly like them or even better
only 4-8 people get in each year I dont see him getting in his first few times especially since he was never top 5 at his postion and didnt win that much.
Dan Mario and Phillip Rivers are nothing alike. Dan Marino is literally the greatest qb who ever throw the football, he was Brett Farve before Brett Farve. Yes he didnt win a Superbowl like Phillip Rivers but he did appeared in one against Joe Montana which obviously he lose to one of the greatest in that era.
@@dominiquelane6329 he has the stats to back it up. You don't need playoff and superbowl success to make it to the hof. Dan Fouts made it to the playoffs 4 times and only won 1 playoff game I think. He had worse stats than rivers throughout his career and he made it to the hof. I think you need the playoff success to make it one the first ballot. Rivers will probably get in on the 2nd or 3rd ballot
@@KB-TAYLOR That's not a dumb comparison. To tell you the truth. Philip Rivers somewhat reminds me of Warren Moon. Both have similar careers. Philip Rivers deserves to be second or third ballot hall of famer
@@antwanalexander4281 facts. It shouldn’t even be a debate if rivers is a HOF, the only debate should be if he’s 1st ballot or not. Some of these dudes are trippin
@@codystrom8708 how is “top 5 in his era” a debate about being in HOF? Some guys who made it are 3rd-4th ballot guys who WEREN’T top 5 at their position during their era. So that literally makes no sense. I do agree that the lack of playoff success takes away the 1st ballot vote-in tho...
At first I was leaning toward him NOT being Hall of Famer until the homie asked me if when Rivers played against the other QBs of his generation (like the people we all know will get in the hall) if I ever felt like Rivers team was better than theirs and I couldn't think of a time. Changed my mind...
AFC Championship QB wins from 2004(year Phil was drafted) to last year. -Brady(7) -Peyton(4) -Ben(3) -Flacco(1) *one of the best Defenses of all time -Mahomes(1)
First Ballot HOF: Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees HOF: Big Ben, Rivers, Eli Arguable: Matt Ryan, Mike Vick, Matthew Stafford Edit: I forgot about Matt Ryan
@@albertzinger5222 I'm a Giants fan, but if Eli had a good receiving core in his last days and didn't have a trash O-line then I'll give him first ballot.
@@Mrcharles. A super bowl is not the only determining factor for HOF lol Marina didn’t win a super bowl he’s in the HOF, Dan Fouts got in also and he had less playoff appearances than Rivers
@@renelopez9797 Yea these ppl are making more of an argument that he's underappreciated than an argument that he doesn't deserve to be in the HoF. He consistently put up elite stats throughout his career, it's not his fault that ppl weren't paying attention.
I don’t even think he had to have made a Super Bowl. I think the fact that his playoff success (wins-losses) is as bad as it is doesn’t speak well for him
@@DrewMarino1995 Rivers never even made it to an AFC final game. He literally fell just short of being a HOF. Quit thinking with your emotions, it won't change anything.
If Fouts is in so is Rivers. I consider him like Barkley/Malone/Ewing in the nba. They all are HOFs with no rings bc of Jordan. Rivers had to go through Brady a few times. He’s got no rings but he still belongs in there. And to me he’s WAY BETTER than Eli and he’s going to get in with those 2 lucky rings he got lol
Different era bucko. Fouts’ numbers were impressive relative to others back then. Rivers numbers are nothing special relative to present. Dude doesn’t even have an MVP, but everyone wants the hall of fame to be the clown club I guess.
@@johnmoore1495 If an 86-84 record, 43k yards, 58.8 completion rate with 254 Td's to 242 ints is impressive then the HOF really is a Clown fest. His stats were definitely not impressive for the day but he was a great QB. Fouts was playing against Elway, Marino, Montana, and Theismann. Just like Rivers had to play against Brady, Brees, both Mannings, and Roethlisberger. Both Fouts and Rivers suffer from being in the wrong Era with an insane amount of amazing Qbs. That doesn't take away from the skills they had though
Agreed.....actually think Romo was a better QB than both of them, except didnt have nearly the longevity as those 2, and of course never got to a SB unlike Eli.....Romo had that escapabability to make up for poor OL play, that the other two simply didnt have, could make something out of nothing
@@jakethethird1584 don’t ever say Eli was better than Romo lol. If Romo had played good for a couple more years and beat GreenBay in 2014 he would be hall of fame.
The colts don't have a huge following yet Peyton was Hall of Fame... the broncos following isn't huge. And they have a Hof in champ Bailey and others. Cmon now
"Championships matter, and appearances in championships matter..." Kinda disagree with this. The NFL, more than any other sport is about the team. 53 man rosters, and 22 people on the field at a time. We've seen mediocre QBs win Super Bowls because they were surrounded by a lot of talent. Personally, I don't think Phillip should go in, maybe a nod, but Eli gets in, then so does Rivers.
Eli won two Super Bowls and during both SB runs, he was spectacular. Rivers was NEVER spectacular when the team needed him to be. Too many home playoff losses. Too many games when he couldn't lead his team down the field in the final minutes. He was very good, not great enough for the HOF.
Phillip Rivers is definitely a hall of famer he’s is just not a first ballot Hall of Famer. There are a bunch of people in the Hall of Fame that were a three time pro bowler and weren’t the key players in winning the Super Bowl so it’s gonna be obvious that Phillip Rivers.
You'll realize once you get a few years down the road and you wish Rivers was still around OR you completely forget he was there in the first place. All of that is uninteresting. We are projecting his candidacy in order to make things interesting. I have to believe this is why there is a waiting period between retirement and ballot eligibility.
Phillip Rivers has more Touchdowns, fewer interceptions, more passing yards, a much higher completion percentage, and much higher QB rating than DAN MARINO. Neither won a ring. Yes it was a different era, but these numbers can't be ignored.
Don’t ever compare rivers Marino had a way better Career he won a MVP and his 84 season I considered the best of all time rivers is not a hall of famer so don’t ever compare him to Marino he had a way better career then the Overrated Choke artist Philip Rivers
0 MVPs, 0 all pros, 0 OPOYs, 0 conference titles and of course 0 Super Bowls, Marino played in a whole different era, every new generation of quarterbacks always breaks the old ones’ records. It’s always been that way always will be that way.
was an nfl caliber starting quarterback for 15 straight years and holds a majority of franchise records that were set in place by another hall of fame inductee. he’s in the top 10 for most passing stats and he was a representative for the city of san diego, placing the city on his sleeve with honor even when the team bailed. he’s not the best quarterback, but he’s lasted longer than most and his stats aren’t just garbage time stat padding. the man was a hof talent with a team that couldn’t hold its own weight after gates and LT left.
So their one argument is that rivers only made the playoffs 7 times in his 17 year career but leave out the fact that he didn't play his first 2 years, so he made the playoffs 50 percent of the time since he started in 2006
@@ericthomas917 nope it was in foxburough. Rivers played in San Diego that time so it wasn’t a home game, it was an away game. And Brady plays for the pats not the packers
We’ve got two East coast guys who probably never watched all the things this man did every week for 16 years to even have the Chargers relevant at times talking about Philip Rivers not being a HOFer. SAS talking 2-1 TD to INT ratio like thats trash. Terry Bradshaw and some of these “greats” barely have more TDs then INTs. Absolute joke takes here. Sure fire HOFer, not even close
Not hate it’s just facts. He’s not a hall of famer. Now will he get in, maybe but that doesn’t mean he deserves it. Cause plenty of players in there now that don’t
@@larrylee405 true there are some people that have ne mind boggling because of some players in it that are barley recognizes and there are some still way passed there day of going into that platform that truly deserves the recognition for changing a franchise whether it's on the field or in the room taking calls and doing everything they can for that organization
Phillip Rivers is definitely a hall of famer. Championships don’t make people hall of famers. Dan Marino is a perfect example and there’s plenty of hall of famers who have never won or made it to a championship.
Raiders fan here. Rivers is easily the better QB over Ben and Eli. They have the rings but he has the numbers, he will eventually get in. And he should💯
This is the problem. He isn't a HOF, but people bring up guys who are already in the HOF and say "if this guy made it, Rivers should too". If something is broken, for it to be fixed, there needs to be change. Listen, someone comes up to you, doesn't tell you the name of the player, and goes "17 seasons, 7 playoff appearances, 0 superbowl apperances, but he is top 5 in TDs + and pass yards". Are you really saying "That's a HOF"?. I'm a random guy on youtube, but personally, I don't see that as a HOF. More than 50% of the time, he missed the playoffs. He put up numbers, but that's REGULAR SEASON, without winning. To me, it's like a guy putting up 25ppg in the NBA on a losing team. Who really cares if your not making the playoffs? Yeah your stats look good, but you aren't winning. Football is of course different with all the other factors that go along. But if you are a HOF quaterback, that honor is suppose to be, ONE OF THE BEST TO DO IT. You are ELITE!.. I mean, you can make the playoffs more than 7 times. I know guys in the HOF have worse careers then rivers, and truth be told, they SHOULDN'T be in the HOF. It needs to change. HOF too me, is Stats + Winning. When you look at careers of HOF players, you are amazed by what they did. Rivers doesn't do that. You see he is top 5 in TDs, and yards, then think "well you lost more than you won".. that has to say something.
FINALLY someone who gets it. You need to have the stats AND win. Also just because someone gets into the HOF doesn't mean everyone who has better stats should get in. There are plenty of players who got in the HOF who don't deserve it, but that doesn't mean everyone should be able to get in when they don't deserve it just because someone else did.
He was in a conference against Brady, Peyton, Big Ben and the Steelers great defenses and the ravens defenses over the years. Now you add Andy Reid and the chiefs improving every year since 2014. That’s a lot to go against for him to get a ring
If Eli Manning is a "borderline" Hall of Famer, then Philip Rivers is NOT a hall of famer .... You can't put Rivers in, if you dont put Eli in. Eli deserves it more
@@BigBadB-Rad2003 you can make the argument for 2007, but Eli won 2011 easily. But if you wanna go that route, then the Patriots defense won Tom’s fist 3 Super Bowls.
@@Thaeffintruth I know I just don't think using Superbowls is a good way to determine who is a better player. Rivers has always been a better QB than Eli except a couple years.
@@BigBadB-Rad2003 in the regular season maybe. But even in the years both of them were in the league, their numbers aren’t very different tbh. But I’m the playoffs, Rivers has always been trash despite having a ton of talent around him. Postseason matters when you say who’s better. Even if Rivers was more talented, that doesn’t make him more deserving of the HOF. That’s about resume, and Eli’s resume is better
phillip rivers was never the best at his position maybe not even top 3 in his career, ripken has multiple mvps and he beat lou gehrigs record, terrible comparison
As a L.A Chargers fan! I have nothing against what SAS said. It’s his opinion. I believe he should be in the HOF. Because looking at his stats and compare to other Quarterbacks who was drafted the same year he was.
I get both sides. If he makes the hall, I won't be able to argue against it very hard, but if he doesn't make it that also makes sense. Max's take is a good way to put it; he eventually gets in for his statistical body of work and durability.
If Eli gets into the hall of fame then Rivers has too as well. Rivers has the stats that Eli doesn’t have while Eli has the rings Rivers doesn’t have simple as that! Rivers only downside is that he was in an era with Brady , Manning , Brees , and Rodgers , and Big Ben
@Yellow Flash take away the Super Bowls the only thing Eli ever lead in was INT . All the great QB with a ring 💍 you take it away they can back it up with stats , Eli can’t even come close . A 50/50 win loss record , 84% passer rating , 60.3% comp . He will most likely get in because he’s a Manning and he has two rings but other than that I mean 🤷♂️ . I don’t think rivers should be in it , but if Eli gets in he should definitely get in at some point .
@Yellow Flash so you think just because you got rings you deserve to go to the hall of fame ? So you think Difler , Flaco, Foles , and Johnson should be in the HOF ? They have rings ? Theres a lot of QBs that don’t have a single ring but they can back it up statistically and those who do can also back it up with stats . Like I said I don’t think rivers should be in no hall of fame but if Eli gets in just because of his name and rings then rivers should definitely get in at some point .
You mean when he got the ball with a minute left and only needed a fg and did absolutely nothing with it? The end of the Bills/Colts game summed up his entire career. He was a really good qb, but when it came to crunch time, he was very mediocre. Remember the Chiefs game years ago, when the Chargers were inside the 20 and all they had to do was kick a chip shot to win the game? And he fumbled the snap and lost the ball. He did not make HOF plays down the stretch of games.
@@mrblue3879 I did. He played pretty well. But he did what he has always done in the playoffs and end of game situations. He is the Marty Schottenheimer of quarterbacks. If Elway, Marino, Favre, Montana, Brady, Rodgers, etc, had gotten the ball back with a minute left, down a fg, they would've gone down and scored a touchdown to win the game. Rivers made a career of losing in horrifying ways.
@@alexmendez3682 he really isn't...has Rivers won an MVP? Has Rivers led his team to the SB? Has Rivers won Offensive player of the year? Has Rivers made the First team all american?
Eli had Coughlin. Ben had Cowher. Phillip had Marty for 1 season and that 14-2 season got fired. Coaching is more impactful than people realize. Note in 2 Super bowls Eli threw 3 TDs. All together 3 TDS! Defenses win Championships!
Philip Rivers 5th all time in TD passes 5th all time pass yards 5th all time in pass completions Completed 64.9% career completion percentage (higher than tom brady, Big ben, and Eli Manning) And a 8 time pro-bowler Undoubtedly a HOFer
@@jakieresykes3644 u can tell the nfl story without many players in the hall but no u can't tell nfl story without rivers because u gotta mention his trash talk and his consecutive game streak and how he never missed a game
Rivers better be in the HALL OF FAME! WHAT U TALKING ABOUT STEPHEN A. Winning in the playoffs is a team effort, being in the hall of Fame is a solo act.
@@victorpetrescu6586 4 and 15 they stopped the patriots ref throw flag otherwise they in championship game and patriot were team to beat you easily say it.
@@victorpetrescu6586 ohh to refresh your memory if you didn’t see it live it unsportsmanlike the moron jumps in the face of patriot player I think gronk to be exact with a couple of knees he and LT are in championship yes they might not have won it but Steven A talking about championship counting his play didn’t stop him that day but that organization has issues but rivers is solid they got lesser QBs in hall I can go on 🤣
The QB is the biggest individual reason why a football team wins though. And you also couple team accomplishment with individual success and he was never MVP or even All-Pro.
@@xxxxtime1027 bruh I said BIGGEST INDIVIDUAL reason. I didn't say sole reason, I said biggest INDIVIDUAL reason. That's not up for debate lol. There's a reason you pay him 40 million and not 10 or 100.
@@ericthomas917 think about what you just said. You only named 2 teams in the last 20 years and those teams had MULTIPLE HOF'ers, not just 1 singularly responsible. Brad Johnson also had 22tds and only 6 picks. Who else on the team had 22tds?? The QB was the most important INDIVIDUAL.
@@yeeglizock8223 a SB appearance and an MVP and/or opoy award should be the bare minimum to even get hof consideration at the qb position just letting him in on stats alone would contradict the purpose of any hof
Rivers is definitely a Hall of Fame player. He never really had a super star or good enough team to make a super run. He had maybe one or two players around in that can be in the hall of Fame.. LT and Antonio Gates .. thats it ! I do think he messed up staying with the chargers so long . He should have been left them. Also look at the teams that he faced ! Brady Patriots , Manning Colts , Ray Lewis Baltimore Defense , like foreal he faced a lot of good teams in a era ! And also Big Ben Steelers ! And Rogers Packers ! He never had a team that could be them. Put him in the hall of Fame he deserves it. Plus he was a good QB
3 days ago Stafford is free and Detroit wasted him he is an elite arm talent.....fast forward 3 days rivers didn’t win the big one....so we are just going to ignore the fact this man was carrying the deaf and blind at times like Stafford but yet Stafford isn’t getting shamed for it like rivers is?
Well Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers in his era.. I don't know how anybody objectively looks at Rivers and even puts them in the same class as those guys who are just about locks.
If Dan Fouts is a HOF player then Rivers is too. Fouts had 86-84 record, 43k yards, 58.8 completion rate with 254 Td's to 242 ints, and he only went to the playoffs 7 times, with a 3-4 record. You can't say Rivers is arguably the best Chargers Qb of all time and then say he aint a HOF contender. Maybe not a first ballot but HOF for sure
I don't care where he ranks all time in stats. Anyone who watched him play knows that Philip Rivers is the king of garbage time stats. It's way easier to get passing yards and touchdowns when you're down 3 scores and the defense is just trying to wind the clock down. Only individual awards are pro bowls. He only had 5 sort of successful seasons out of 15. He's not a HOF QB. He's a bang average QB that only is ranked high in a couple stats because he played for a long time.
If this was a debate about kyrie he and his fans would be like”who are these guys to say another human belongs in the HOF. Only god should possess that judgement”.
SAS hit the nail on the head. Rivers is a stand up guy, but he only made 1 AFC Title game and 0 superbowls. He didn't even make the playoffs half of the years that he played. Rivers is borderline along with Eli. In a vacuum, I wouldn't put either player in the HOF. In this universe in which we live, they will both get in.
Warren Moon has fewer touchdown passes and more interceptions than Rivers finished with. Moon never played in a conference championship game. It was right there for Moon in 1993, but Joe Montana led Kansas City to a comeback over the Oilers in the Divisional Round. Moon is in the Hall of Fame.
One thing rivers is, is a good story of not quitting on a qb. Dude was throwing 20 some picks in a season, but the chargers got the right OC with the right system (whisenhunt i think) and hes been way better ever since.
If Rivers had an identical career playing for a trendy, big-market franchise nobody would question his HoF status. How can you label a QB who finished 5th in Passing TDs, 5th in Passing Yards and 5th in Passing Completions 'not great'?
Remember people, these are Giants and Steeler fans talking.
Yep Eli been mediocre most of his career besides those two super bowl runs
@@chicago1952 bro what do you have towards Eli? Dan Fouts is in the HOF and he was trash
and both those teams won their SBs based on their Really good Defenses not Ben or Eli
@@DrewMarino1995 facts
@@smokeydabear33_74 I’m just stating facts I’m fine with Eli getting in as long it takes awhile like at least 10-15 years after first year eligibility
He’s definitely in the trash talking HOF
Fax
HOF- hall of family friendly speech*
Lol ya KNOW
He also cheated got cheatef 25-30 games
And reproduction with his first love
Dan Fouts HOF
- Only made playoffs in 4 of his 15 seasons
- Has a lower Passer Rating than Blake Bortles
If he can make the HOF then Philip Rivers is definitely one.
Bro the 70s are different than the 2010s you can't compare the 2 back then those numbers where all world
Dan Fouts was also a 2x 1st-Team All-Pro and an Offensive Player of the Year
Dan Fouts is the best chargers QB...with a heavily run offense and savage defense...that Phillip don't know about
@@dominiquelane6329 He had Ladanian Tomlinson, arguably a top 5 RB all time.
@@Ajmovinwork 4 playoff years out of 15 is not all world in any time period. OP is spot on. Can’t have guys like Fouts in the Hall and then say no to Rivers
I agree with SAS but the Chargers failed Rivers at times
Like skip, he’s in the “very good hof “
He didn’t make the super bowl. That’s enough for me to say he is not hall of fame material.
He had LT, Neal, and Gates
@@atribecalledlen3567 and had Marlon McRee ruin everything in less than 10 seconds
How? He had LT. He had a defense. He had WRs. I think it's just bad luck for him
Dan Marino didn't have a ring either. And he's literally top 5 in two significant categories...
And yet they'll be shrews who think he doesn't deserve his Hall of Fame 🧥. The question is can the same people walk into a Miami bar and claim that Dan Marino doesn't deserve the hall? Can they walk into a San Diego or LA bar and say that Rivers doesn't deserve to go into the Hall? You know if there was no pandemic going on...
When you look at Dan Marino, I don't even need to look at his numbers to call him great. On the field, he's already great and a hall of Famer. He's the greatest quarterback to ever throw the football. He's a sniper. Now everybody will say that's Mahomes and Rodgers but Marino if he plays football in this era, he would throw 6000 yards and 60 touchdowns.
Yeah... But Marino was the BOAT...check out the year Marino had when he made the Superbowl back in 84. 5000 yds. 48 TDs... For 1984...THATS INSANE. it wasnt a passing league then
Dan Marino was a game changer, you can’t compare Rivers to him.
Nobody in his right mind thinks Rivers is equal to Marino, I don't care what stats you cobble together.
Ain’t no way he is top 5 in passing yards and top 5 in passing TD’s and he is not a HOFer.
Can’t believe people are still talking about this a week later ☠️
fax these dude big trippin, this the first time i ever heard anybody say he not a hofer
Watch Skip and Shannon, First things First
@@StephenHSmith-mn4iq Fax he gives praise to Carmelo Anthony and Chris Paul in the NBA(I am a BIG fan of both of them) and they're in the same boat as Philip rivers in the NFL.
4k is the new 3 k
@@amadoumaiga8503 same
Rivers missed his chance when Schottenheimer was coach. They had such good teams with Tomlinson, Antonio Gates, Quentin Jammer, Merriman and Phillips at LB....
well when your in the same conference as the Pats its hard to win
Yeah, Then Mcree fumbled and the front office fired Marty for no reason. The chargers mess up their players careers every time lmao.
To be fair he only had one year with Schottenheimer as the coach. I'm still shocked they fired him after a 14-2 season.
@@DrewMarino1995 wasnt hard for eli to win
@@Mostillist take this L bro. Eli didn’t play in the same conference as the pats. 😅
Championships are vastly overrated when it comes to debating how great a player is or was. I think if he had at least made 1 Super Bowl the reaction to him being in the HOF would lean more towards me should be in. That's just me.
He is not a hall a famer
your caping
Is Matt Ryan a HOF QB? They are basically the same guy.
Yeah but it’s not like Rivers was playing QB for the Lions his whole career. The man had hall of famers around him at many points in his career
@@mickpratt8327 matt ryan is definitely a HOF qb
We could “if”anyone into the hall of fame. Reality is he never even competed in a Super bowl. Even if you claim they are overrated his resume is EMPTY when it comes to superbowls. Can’t be in the hof
These guys don’t know what the he’ll they’re talking about. Rivers is the definition of not giving up. He played in the snow 6 days after tearing his ACL. He is in the top 5-10 spots in almost every category as a quarterback in all history. He is definitely a HOF!!!!
0 all pros, 0 MVPs, 0 OPOYs, 0 conference titles, 0 Super Bowls. No awards besides comeback player of the year and pro bowls (only 8). Philip wasn’t special and he wasn’t great. The HOF is for transcendent players and talents who dominated, Philip never dominated and was never a top 3 quarterback. He’s in the hall of pretty good period.
Ah yes, if you’re strong and don’t get injured you’re a hofer
He was consistent, but never great. He doesn't deserve it at all.
You can have a million regular season tea but if you can’t perform on the big stage then all that don’t matter kid
Not
252 straight games, not 1 game missed. Played on a torn ACL in the AFC Championship...Ironman, class act. Top 5 in pass tds and overall passing yards of all time. You sir PR deserve to be in the HOF.
I remember watching him one season where he went thru 8 to 10 recievers . His interceptions were trying to force playscwith rookies . He did great with what he had .
That year he literally passed to 16 different dudes
@@S0PHSWORLD123 i just remembered it was a bunch .
He 100% should be in the hall of fame, he's had as much success as several of the people there and better stats.
He’s 100% not a HOF’er
Sorry but no, 0 MVPs, 0 all pros, 0 OPOYs, 0 conference titles and of course 0 Super Bowls. Not a HOF’er.
As a Chief Fan I agree, he's top 10 in about everything. The man should be in the HOF.
@@imonyourside8376 No. He's top 10 currently. The league is more pass happy then ever. If you vote in Rivers, guys like Matt Ryan and Stafford also have to be considered when they retire.
@@mneck9975 matt ryans probably gonna get in as he won a MVP, made a superbowl, and will end up well placed in all time stats (already is in a few). Should he get in is the better question imo (for ryan snd rivers)
He deserves to be in the hall of fame he finished in the top 10 of touchdowns and yards so let him in and his trash talk was the best
Yo nobody cares about what you think
@@michaelvillarreal4202 L
Anyone would put up those numbers if they got that many starts dude just played heaps most average player of all time
@@michaelvillarreal4202 Wrong I care about what he thinks,
Total yards and TDs is just a longevity award. Dude barely gets talked about his entire career and now that he’s retiring everyone crawls out of the woodwork to go to bat for him lmao.
MAYBE he’d deserve to get in if he actually lead all time TD’s and yards, because at least there’s something that’s special about you. But otherwise no. IMO if you don’t at least have a super bowl appearance as a QB, you don’t belong in the hall of fame. You don’t even have to win, just get in the big game, but he couldn’t even do that.
Phillip is going to the Hall of Fame this is such a dumb argument
Facts
I mean he might make it, but they’re asking for he is deserving of it
the argument wasnt if hes going but if he is one by merit lmaoo
0 superbowls no mvps no championships. No hall of famer
no he's not
Lets not forget, these dudes said he was done, and he went to the colts and balled out and got into the playoffs. And they never admitted that the chargers organization is trash, TRASH. They didn't even bring up that AFC championship game lol come on!
He played with LT a hall of famer. He played with Gates a hall of fame. Same squad and never got to a championship game in like 9 straight years. Rivers has never been considered a top 5 QB tbh. He's very very very good. But not one of the best
Bruh he’s not a HOF’mer 😂😂😂. Just deal with it
@@dominiquetall5511 he made afc champ game his second year as starter
@@simoncohen4264 u say that like that’s impressive he played for almost 2 decades u do realize that right and all u have to say is he went to an afc championship game and lost lmaoo
@@BG33917 ok and your point like I said there is many players like that in the nfl hall of fame they are in and stay in there's no reason Phillip can't be either because there's nothing u can do or change that rivers was exactly like them or even better
why is this man Stephen A speaking like he’s at a funeral? Philly Rivs HOF, maybe the second time around, but HOF for sure.
only 4-8 people get in each year I dont see him getting in his first few times especially since he was never top 5 at his postion and didnt win that much.
Your a huge casual if u think he’s gonna be a second ballot hof
So Dan Marino is not a hof basically Stephen a Smith should be fired for saying such utter blasphemy
Rivers isn’t legendary, simply put. Therefore he isn’t HOF!
commented the same thing lmaoo they just lookin for a topic
Dan Mario and Phillip Rivers are nothing alike. Dan Marino is literally the greatest qb who ever throw the football, he was Brett Farve before Brett Farve. Yes he didnt win a Superbowl like Phillip Rivers but he did appeared in one against Joe Montana which obviously he lose to one of the greatest in that era.
Everyone’s face when he makes the Hall of Fame: :O
Phillip rivers 100% deserves to have a spot in thw hof
Naw
No he just played heaps dude was so average🤣🤣👎👎👎
@@dominiquelane6329 he has the stats to back it up. You don't need playoff and superbowl success to make it to the hof. Dan Fouts made it to the playoffs 4 times and only won 1 playoff game I think. He had worse stats than rivers throughout his career and he made it to the hof. I think you need the playoff success to make it one the first ballot. Rivers will probably get in on the 2nd or 3rd ballot
if warren moon is in, rivers absolutely should be in
@@KB-TAYLOR That's not a dumb comparison. To tell you the truth. Philip Rivers somewhat reminds me of Warren Moon. Both have similar careers. Philip Rivers deserves to be second or third ballot hall of famer
@@antwanalexander4281 facts. It shouldn’t even be a debate if rivers is a HOF, the only debate should be if he’s 1st ballot or not. Some of these dudes are trippin
@@KB-TAYLOR Rivers shits on Warren moon
@@Geeandrezzi he’s not even top 5 of his era with hardly any playoff success..he’s not HOF
@@codystrom8708 how is “top 5 in his era” a debate about being in HOF? Some guys who made it are 3rd-4th ballot guys who WEREN’T top 5 at their position during their era. So that literally makes no sense. I do agree that the lack of playoff success takes away the 1st ballot vote-in tho...
Rivers will be a HOF and we all know why I have nothing else to say.
At first I was leaning toward him NOT being Hall of Famer until the homie asked me if when Rivers played against the other QBs of his generation (like the people we all know will get in the hall) if I ever felt like Rivers team was better than theirs and I couldn't think of a time. Changed my mind...
Exactly. TEAM success shouldn’t be a criteria for an INDIVIDUAL making the HOF. That should only matter for 1st ballot.....
AFC Championship QB wins from 2004(year Phil was drafted) to last year.
-Brady(7)
-Peyton(4)
-Ben(3)
-Flacco(1) *one of the best Defenses of all time
-Mahomes(1)
@@dylanoliver1684 Not sure what your "message" is...
@@barak-rocky-giles2081 Rivers had 2 teams that finished first in AFC and he lost both of those championships.
First Ballot HOF: Brady, Peyton Manning, Rodgers, Brees
HOF: Big Ben, Rivers, Eli
Arguable: Matt Ryan, Mike Vick, Matthew Stafford
Edit: I forgot about Matt Ryan
You sure brees a first ballot
@@TreyTheTrophyJoint yes
@@TreyTheTrophyJoint id give Eli and Big Ben First Ballot
@@TreyTheTrophyJoint yea lol
@@albertzinger5222 I'm a Giants fan, but if Eli had a good receiving core in his last days and didn't have a trash O-line then I'll give him first ballot.
I mean dude played in a era with Payton Manning and Tom Brady 🤔🤷
Exactly that was the big point
So BEAT THEM
Rodgers, Brees, Roethlisberger 2x, Wilson, Eli Manning 2x, Johnson all managed to also win a ring. 🤷♂️
Facts
@Elijah Harrison its simple to beat Peyton Manning
Philip Rivers is a hall of famer IMO
No he’s not. He didn’t make the super bowl.
@@Mrcharles. A super bowl is not the only determining factor for HOF lol Marina didn’t win a super bowl he’s in the HOF, Dan Fouts got in also and he had less playoff appearances than Rivers
@@anthonymorrison7296 exactly can’t blame him when the whole team didn’t help rivers he’s definitely HOF
@@Mrcharles. Same with Warren Moon and he got in. So I don’t see the point.
For a guy who spent 17 years in the NFL, there were times I even forgot he was still playing in the NFL. Of course my team rarely played the chargers.
How did you forget , every year rivers was a top 10 QB . Not his fault kickers and Defenses hurt him at the end
@@renelopez9797 Yea these ppl are making more of an argument that he's underappreciated than an argument that he doesn't deserve to be in the HoF. He consistently put up elite stats throughout his career, it's not his fault that ppl weren't paying attention.
The problem with these shows is they value championships soooo much, but they forget how many hall of fame players that never won a championship.
Phillip Rivers has had a brilliant career, but his playoff resumè doesn’t show that he is hall of fame material, IMHO
so hof eligibility is based on SB wins and appereances? your an idiot
I don’t even think he had to have made a Super Bowl. I think the fact that his playoff success (wins-losses) is as bad as it is doesn’t speak well for him
Not making an SB doesn’t meant ur not an HOFer he has 63k yards he’s 5th in yards and TDS all time how is that not HOF
@UChKiWQRa5eXhFM3WN39B7CA yes he did, against Brady... 🤦🏾♂️
@@DrewMarino1995 Rivers never even made it to an AFC final game. He literally fell just short of being a HOF. Quit thinking with your emotions, it won't change anything.
If Fouts is in so is Rivers.
I consider him like Barkley/Malone/Ewing in the nba. They all are HOFs with no rings bc of Jordan.
Rivers had to go through Brady a few times. He’s got no rings but he still belongs in there.
And to me he’s WAY BETTER than Eli and he’s going to get in with those 2 lucky rings he got lol
Different era bucko. Fouts’ numbers were impressive relative to others back then. Rivers numbers are nothing special relative to present. Dude doesn’t even have an MVP, but everyone wants the hall of fame to be the clown club I guess.
@@johnmoore1495 If an 86-84 record, 43k yards, 58.8 completion rate with 254 Td's to 242 ints is impressive then the HOF really is a Clown fest. His stats were definitely not impressive for the day but he was a great QB. Fouts was playing against Elway, Marino, Montana, and Theismann. Just like Rivers had to play against Brady, Brees, both Mannings, and Roethlisberger. Both Fouts and Rivers suffer from being in the wrong Era with an insane amount of amazing Qbs. That doesn't take away from the skills they had though
@@warehawk spoken like a true idiot who doesn't understand football
He's in the class of Eli Manning's and Tony Romo's of the world. We can't just let someone be a HOF because they are a decent dude.
Agreed.....actually think Romo was a better QB than both of them, except didnt have nearly the longevity as those 2, and of course never got to a SB unlike Eli.....Romo had that escapabability to make up for poor OL play, that the other two simply didnt have, could make something out of nothing
@@billsmith7642 😱
Eli is a HOFer bro lol. Don't ever put Romo and him in the same class again lol.
@@jakethethird1584 ELi was aboslute trash he had two good runs in his career.
@@jakethethird1584 don’t ever say Eli was better than Romo lol. If Romo had played good for a couple more years and beat GreenBay in 2014 he would be hall of fame.
The only reason it's a debate is because he played for the Chargers, a team with hardly any following.
Nailed it. If he’s a Giant or cowboy he’s in the HOF already
LT and gates played for the chargers and both hall of fame.... so what's your point?
The colts don't have a huge following yet Peyton was Hall of Fame... the broncos following isn't huge. And they have a Hof in champ Bailey and others. Cmon now
@@dominiquetall5511 the Broncos don't have a huge following? What world are you living in?
@@theDavidChannel1 never heard anybody speak about Broncos lol. Before Peyton
17 seasons, Top 5 in TDs and passing yards, 240+ consecutive starts, in a league where the average player plays for 3 years.... 1st ballot..
Led the league in ints, never even went to the sb and only made the playoffs 7/17 years definitely not first ballot
I wouldn't think First Ballot....if you put Rivers in first Ballot that's the same category as Montana and Brady, River is a lock for HOF tho
And he never missed a day
@@carlosrodriguez-ep6zx lmao that was 1 seaon and playoffs and making it is a Team thing blame the whole team not 1 man
@@DrewMarino1995 doesn't matter it still get evaluated during the decision nobody is going to ignore it 😂
His a HOF no question
"Championships matter, and appearances in championships matter..."
Kinda disagree with this. The NFL, more than any other sport is about the team. 53 man rosters, and 22 people on the field at a time. We've seen mediocre QBs win Super Bowls because they were surrounded by a lot of talent. Personally, I don't think Phillip should go in, maybe a nod, but Eli gets in, then so does Rivers.
Eli won two Super Bowls and during both SB runs, he was spectacular. Rivers was NEVER spectacular when the team needed him to be. Too many home playoff losses. Too many games when he couldn't lead his team down the field in the final minutes. He was very good, not great enough for the HOF.
not to mention Eli never even beat rivers his whole career 🤡
Phillip Rivers is definitely a hall of famer he’s is just not a first ballot Hall of Famer. There are a bunch of people in the Hall of Fame that were a three time pro bowler and weren’t the key players in winning the Super Bowl so it’s gonna be obvious that Phillip Rivers.
You'll realize once you get a few years down the road and you wish Rivers was still around OR you completely forget he was there in the first place.
All of that is uninteresting. We are projecting his candidacy in order to make things interesting.
I have to believe this is why there is a waiting period between retirement and ballot eligibility.
Nah he just played heaps dudes really average
He ain’t a hall of famer
Dude only has one AFC championship game
Everyone talking about stats, keep that same energy when Ryan & Stafford retire.
I hope they do, but at least Matt Ryan got to a SB
@@johnlewis8934 and he has a mvp so
Well to be a part of the hall you have to be a part of the sports history so ryan losing the biggest comeback ever may get him in
I’m pretty sure they will who tf is saying Mathew Stafford or Matt Ryan are in the hall of fame 🤦🏽♂️🤨🤣🤣nobody is saying that those guys are hof
@@BG33917 matt ryan’s going to be in the hof. he made the super bowl, won mvp and opoy, and has top 10 stats
Phillip Rivers has more Touchdowns, fewer interceptions, more passing yards, a much higher completion percentage, and much higher QB rating than DAN MARINO. Neither won a ring. Yes it was a different era, but these numbers can't be ignored.
Don’t ever compare rivers Marino had a way better Career he won a MVP and his 84 season I considered the best of all time rivers is not a hall of famer so don’t ever compare him to Marino he had a way better career then the Overrated Choke artist Philip Rivers
Bro if Marino had Rivers team he would win rings
He has more yards & TD's than HOFer Dan Marino. Nuff said.
0 MVPs, 0 all pros, 0 OPOYs, 0 conference titles and of course 0 Super Bowls, Marino played in a whole different era, every new generation of quarterbacks always breaks the old ones’ records. It’s always been that way always will be that way.
Are u dumb fan marino played 1983-1999 it was run heavy back then if Marino played during this time u could argue he woulda put up even more yards
@@kitkat6782 He was not saying Rivers was better than Dan Marino. He was just proving a point that Rivers should be in the HOF.
But Rivers is not even close when it comes to being as talented as Marino
Rivers is a HOF
was an nfl caliber starting quarterback for 15 straight years and holds a majority of franchise records that were set in place by another hall of fame inductee. he’s in the top 10 for most passing stats and he was a representative for the city of san diego, placing the city on his sleeve with honor even when the team bailed. he’s not the best quarterback, but he’s lasted longer than most and his stats aren’t just garbage time stat padding. the man was a hof talent with a team that couldn’t hold its own weight after gates and LT left.
He should be in the trash talk hall of fame
YES
So their one argument is that rivers only made the playoffs 7 times in his 17 year career but leave out the fact that he didn't play his first 2 years, so he made the playoffs 50 percent of the time since he started in 2006
Who remembers the 2006 chargers though? We will have that in the next couple years again.
Got beat by Brady at home in the playoffs
@@ericthomas917 lol. Clearly you didn’t watch the game if you think it was at home. And btw this dude played against the goat with a torn ACL
@@wrokaenation3992 wasn't the game not in Green Bay?
@@wrokaenation3992 reading comprehension is hard for you obviously
@@ericthomas917 nope it was in foxburough. Rivers played in San Diego that time so it wasn’t a home game, it was an away game. And Brady plays for the pats not the packers
He's finally got time to settle down, have an even bigger family...
So dan Marino isn't a hall of famer in Stephen's A's mind
Did Rivers throw 48 touchdowns?
Dan marino actually went to a superbowl Phillip Rivers never did
You're a lame or a 🤡
Phil rivers never won a mvp
Or won anything
We’ve got two East coast guys who probably never watched all the things this man did every week for 16 years to even have the Chargers relevant at times talking about Philip Rivers not being a HOFer. SAS talking 2-1 TD to INT ratio like thats trash. Terry Bradshaw and some of these “greats” barely have more TDs then INTs. Absolute joke takes here. Sure fire HOFer, not even close
We need Lavar back on the show see Molly u messed everything up.
Oh stop hating, dudes a HOF, maybe not 1st ballot but he's HOF lol sheesh
Thank you.
Not hate it’s just facts. He’s not a hall of famer. Now will he get in, maybe but that doesn’t mean he deserves it. Cause plenty of players in there now that don’t
@@larrylee405 true there are some people that have ne mind boggling because of some players in it that are barley recognizes and there are some still way passed there day of going into that platform that truly deserves the recognition for changing a franchise whether it's on the field or in the room taking calls and doing everything they can for that organization
Phillip Rivers is definitely a hall of famer. Championships don’t make people hall of famers. Dan Marino is a perfect example and there’s plenty of hall of famers who have never won or made it to a championship.
marino had the accolades and a SB appearance and stats that were unheard of in the 80s to compensate for the no ring argument
@@salamipitza O.J. Simpson? Eric Dickerson? Dan Fouts? Barry Sanders?
Raiders fan here. Rivers is easily the better QB over Ben and Eli. They have the rings but he has the numbers, he will eventually get in. And he should💯
So you telling me that he is not a Hall of Famer omg this is stupid he is a Hall of Famer
This is the problem. He isn't a HOF, but people bring up guys who are already in the HOF and say "if this guy made it, Rivers should too". If something is broken, for it to be fixed, there needs to be change. Listen, someone comes up to you, doesn't tell you the name of the player, and goes "17 seasons, 7 playoff appearances, 0 superbowl apperances, but he is top 5 in TDs + and pass yards". Are you really saying "That's a HOF"?. I'm a random guy on youtube, but personally, I don't see that as a HOF. More than 50% of the time, he missed the playoffs. He put up numbers, but that's REGULAR SEASON, without winning. To me, it's like a guy putting up 25ppg in the NBA on a losing team. Who really cares if your not making the playoffs? Yeah your stats look good, but you aren't winning. Football is of course different with all the other factors that go along. But if you are a HOF quaterback, that honor is suppose to be, ONE OF THE BEST TO DO IT. You are ELITE!.. I mean, you can make the playoffs more than 7 times. I know guys in the HOF have worse careers then rivers, and truth be told, they SHOULDN'T be in the HOF. It needs to change. HOF too me, is Stats + Winning. When you look at careers of HOF players, you are amazed by what they did. Rivers doesn't do that. You see he is top 5 in TDs, and yards, then think "well you lost more than you won".. that has to say something.
FINALLY someone who gets it. You need to have the stats AND win. Also just because someone gets into the HOF doesn't mean everyone who has better stats should get in. There are plenty of players who got in the HOF who don't deserve it, but that doesn't mean everyone should be able to get in when they don't deserve it just because someone else did.
The Super Bowl argument is so flawed
Facts Megatron never played in a Super Bowl
@@wizzybarca4599 you can’t compare a receiver to a quarterback wth
San Diego is thankful to #17!! Rivers is definitely HOF!!
He was in a conference against Brady, Peyton, Big Ben and the Steelers great defenses and the ravens defenses over the years. Now you add Andy Reid and the chiefs improving every year since 2014. That’s a lot to go against for him to get a ring
Also never forget that the Chargers at one point had the number 1 offense and defense in the league but had a terrible special teams
Great players find a way. He isn’t and wasn’t a GREAT nor legendary player.
Phillip Rivers played with a lot of talent though too now
Dan Marino
Passing Yards 61,361
TD - INT 420 - 252
Passer Rating 86.4
17 Season's
1st Ballot Hall-of-famer
Phillip Rivers
Passing Yards 63,440
TD - INT 421 - 209
Passer Rating 95.2
17 Season's
YES !!!! Hall-of-famer
I agree with Stephen A here
so your an idiot too
Ok then Dan Marino isn’t a Hall of Famer
@@jay_1212 ur rlly gonna compare Dan Marino to Phillip rivers wow
If Eli Manning is a "borderline" Hall of Famer, then Philip Rivers is NOT a hall of famer .... You can't put Rivers in, if you dont put Eli in. Eli deserves it more
Giants defense won them those Superbowls. You do realize that Eli was mainly average most of his career right?
@@BigBadB-Rad2003 you can make the argument for 2007, but Eli won 2011 easily. But if you wanna go that route, then the Patriots defense won Tom’s fist 3 Super Bowls.
@@Thaeffintruth I know I just don't think using Superbowls is a good way to determine who is a better player. Rivers has always been a better QB than Eli except a couple years.
@@BigBadB-Rad2003 in the regular season maybe. But even in the years both of them were in the league, their numbers aren’t very different tbh. But I’m the playoffs, Rivers has always been trash despite having a ton of talent around him. Postseason matters when you say who’s better. Even if Rivers was more talented, that doesn’t make him more deserving of the HOF. That’s about resume, and Eli’s resume is better
You're not just judged on your accomplishments, you're also judged on your competition. He had more than most. He's the Cal Ripken of football.
Excuses
phillip rivers was never the best at his position maybe not even top 3 in his career, ripken has multiple mvps and he beat lou gehrigs record, terrible comparison
If you aren't in the top 5 at your position during your era you aren't a hall of famer
As a L.A Chargers fan! I have nothing against what SAS said. It’s his opinion. I believe he should be in the HOF. Because looking at his stats and compare to other Quarterbacks who was drafted the same year he was.
All my respect to Philip Rivers, I hope he gets in HOF someday
Good foe you I hope he dosebt
I get both sides. If he makes the hall, I won't be able to argue against it very hard, but if he doesn't make it that also makes sense. Max's take is a good way to put it; he eventually gets in for his statistical body of work and durability.
If Eli gets into the hall of fame then Rivers has too as well. Rivers has the stats that Eli doesn’t have while Eli has the rings Rivers doesn’t have simple as that! Rivers only downside is that he was in an era with Brady , Manning , Brees , and Rodgers , and Big Ben
@Yellow Flash take away the Super Bowls the only thing Eli ever lead in was INT . All the great QB with a ring 💍 you take it away they can back it up with stats , Eli can’t even come close . A 50/50 win loss record , 84% passer rating , 60.3% comp . He will most likely get in because he’s a Manning and he has two rings but other than that I mean 🤷♂️ . I don’t think rivers should be in it , but if Eli gets in he should definitely get in at some point .
@Yellow Flash so you think just because you got rings you deserve to go to the hall of fame ? So you think Difler , Flaco, Foles , and Johnson should be in the HOF ? They have rings ? Theres a lot of QBs that don’t have a single ring but they can back it up statistically and those who do can also back it up with stats . Like I said I don’t think rivers should be in no hall of fame but if Eli gets in just because of his name and rings then rivers should definitely get in at some point .
He should get in for the fight he put up against the Bills in wild card round Phillip Rivers went out like a G
You mean when he got the ball with a minute left and only needed a fg and did absolutely nothing with it? The end of the Bills/Colts game summed up his entire career. He was a really good qb, but when it came to crunch time, he was very mediocre. Remember the Chiefs game years ago, when the Chargers were inside the 20 and all they had to do was kick a chip shot to win the game? And he fumbled the snap and lost the ball. He did not make HOF plays down the stretch of games.
@@thomasmckenzie4584 did u see Ravens vs Bills? I'm not mad at 39 year old Phillip Rivers
@@mrblue3879 I did. He played pretty well. But he did what he has always done in the playoffs and end of game situations. He is the Marty Schottenheimer of quarterbacks. If Elway, Marino, Favre, Montana, Brady, Rodgers, etc, had gotten the ball back with a minute left, down a fg, they would've gone down and scored a touchdown to win the game. Rivers made a career of losing in horrifying ways.
How is he not a hall of famer. He has a solid nfl football career .
Lol foh he was trash Brady’s step son his entire career
Stephen a is high saying rivers isn’t hall of gamer gtfo he is in the hall first ballot. No doubt
@EMANU Jones yes first ballot I didn’t studer
Based off stats alone rivers' are very similar to marinos, if you were to argue marino didnt belong people would look at you crazy lmao
In less games too!
Please don't compare Rivers to Marino
@@smokeydabear33_74 Rivers is better than Marino
@@alexmendez3682 🤣 you're joking right?
@@alexmendez3682 he really isn't...has Rivers won an MVP? Has Rivers led his team to the SB? Has Rivers won Offensive player of the year? Has Rivers made the First team all american?
Eli had Coughlin. Ben had Cowher. Phillip had Marty for 1 season and that 14-2 season got fired. Coaching is more impactful than people realize. Note in 2 Super bowls Eli threw 3 TDs. All together 3 TDS! Defenses win Championships!
Wow is a big big level in life man wowww so respect man. Yo
Philip Rivers
5th all time in TD passes
5th all time pass yards
5th all time in pass completions
Completed 64.9% career completion percentage (higher than tom brady, Big ben, and Eli Manning)
And a 8 time pro-bowler
Undoubtedly a HOFer
How many Super Bowls
@@jakieresykes3644 that's not what gets u in btw look how many in without a ring
@@simoncohen4264 Let’s me ask you this can tell the NFL story without mentioning Philip Rivers
@@jakieresykes3644 u can tell the nfl story without many players in the hall but no u can't tell nfl story without rivers because u gotta mention his trash talk and his consecutive game streak and how he never missed a game
@@simoncohen4264 Eli never missed a game what’s your point
Man its gonna feel weird when Brady, Brees, Big Ben, Rodgers retire too
Mahomes, Dak and L Jackson will carry the torch to the new Era.
So is Watson, Josh Allen
@@Ken-bj5wb Yes 👍
Rivers better be in the HALL OF FAME! WHAT U TALKING ABOUT STEPHEN A. Winning in the playoffs is a team effort, being in the hall of Fame is a solo act.
Hope he enjoys his retirement.
Super Bowl wins are a team stat, not a QB stat. Philip was the best of the ‘04 draft class.
Drayton Florence cost him a Super Bowl one of the worst ref calls ever
How can someone cost you a Super Bowl if you didn't even make an appearance? If anything, it cost him a shot at one. Nothing is given in the NFL
Marlon mcree not Drayton
@@victorpetrescu6586 4 and 15 they stopped the patriots ref throw flag otherwise they in championship game and patriot were team to beat you easily say it.
@@victorpetrescu6586 ohh to refresh your memory if you didn’t see it live it unsportsmanlike the moron jumps in the face of patriot player I think gronk to be exact with a couple of knees he and LT are in championship yes they might not have won it but Steven A talking about championship counting his play didn’t stop him that day but that organization has issues but rivers is solid they got lesser QBs in hall I can go on 🤣
@@pedroramos6472 I don't even like Rivers honestly, but he should be in the hall based on who's getting in and who will get in.
This dude did not just say Phillip rivers isn’t a HOF💀I’m dead
When will people realize that wins our a team stat
The QB is the biggest individual reason why a football team wins though. And you also couple team accomplishment with individual success and he was never MVP or even All-Pro.
@@DariusClarkWallace No that’s not true. This is a team games. Look at the Texans. The qb can’t do it by himself lol
@@xxxxtime1027 bruh I said BIGGEST INDIVIDUAL reason. I didn't say sole reason, I said biggest INDIVIDUAL reason. That's not up for debate lol. There's a reason you pay him 40 million and not 10 or 100.
@@DariusClarkWallace the 2000 Ravens and 2002 Buccaneers disagree with you
@@ericthomas917 think about what you just said. You only named 2 teams in the last 20 years and those teams had MULTIPLE HOF'ers, not just 1 singularly responsible. Brad Johnson also had 22tds and only 6 picks. Who else on the team had 22tds?? The QB was the most important INDIVIDUAL.
Dan Fouts is a HoF
Rivers played a AFC championship game with a partially torn ACL !
HOF Guts!
Put him in!
Cam Newton played with fractures in his back
@@yeeglizock8223 and your point is😂
@@harryramos5585 if cam Newton retires without making another sb appearance or another championship appearance is he a hall of famed?
@@yeeglizock8223 No he doesn’t have the stats although his MVP season makes a case.
@@yeeglizock8223 a SB appearance and an MVP and/or opoy award should be the bare minimum to even get hof consideration at the qb position
just letting him in on stats alone would contradict the purpose of any hof
Rivers is definitely a Hall of Fame player. He never really had a super star or good enough team to make a super run. He had maybe one or two players around in that can be in the hall of Fame.. LT and Antonio Gates .. thats it ! I do think he messed up staying with the chargers so long . He should have been left them. Also look at the teams that he faced ! Brady Patriots , Manning Colts , Ray Lewis Baltimore Defense , like foreal he faced a lot of good teams in a era ! And also Big Ben Steelers ! And Rogers Packers ! He never had a team that could be them. Put him in the hall of Fame he deserves it. Plus he was a good QB
Philip Rivers was the best QB in his class, and I’m a Giants fan, yet there’s a chance he won’t make it.
Big Ben was better
@@jamal4717 Ben could run. He is a better player, I think Rivers is a better thrower by just a hair. It's pretty close imo
He was the best how come he never got to a super bowl like Big Ben And Eli
@@jakieresykes3644 it’s a team sport dumb dumb
Big ben and eli is better
3 days ago Stafford is free and Detroit wasted him he is an elite arm talent.....fast forward 3 days rivers didn’t win the big one....so we are just going to ignore the fact this man was carrying the deaf and blind at times like Stafford but yet Stafford isn’t getting shamed for it like rivers is?
If they put Rivers in, then Romo better be going in too
That’s why he shouldn’t be in Romo is no way even close to being a HOF player
@@bigda6407 I wouldn't say not close ...He's the franchise leader in yards and tds...He's made all pro and his career passer rating is 97+
That 14-2 team really should've gone to the Superbowl
If Phillip Rivers isn’t a Hall of Famer, IDK who is lol
Favre,elway,Rodgers,brees,brady,peyton,mahomes,montana,Wilson,Bradshaw,young,Marino
Well Brady, Manning, Brees, Rodgers in his era.. I don't know how anybody objectively looks at Rivers and even puts them in the same class as those guys who are just about locks.
Rivers was the best qb and longest tenured franchise ever in chargers franchise history
If Dan Fouts is in then Rivers has to be in imo
Facts
Just because one person who doesn't deserve to be in the HOF got in doesn't mean everyone should. Phillip Rivers is not a hall of famer
If Dan Fouts is a HOF player then Rivers is too. Fouts had 86-84 record, 43k yards, 58.8 completion rate with 254 Td's to 242 ints, and he only went to the playoffs 7 times, with a 3-4 record. You can't say Rivers is arguably the best Chargers Qb of all time and then say he aint a HOF contender. Maybe not a first ballot but HOF for sure
Max “he was a iron man” kellerman
I don't care where he ranks all time in stats. Anyone who watched him play knows that Philip Rivers is the king of garbage time stats. It's way easier to get passing yards and touchdowns when you're down 3 scores and the defense is just trying to wind the clock down. Only individual awards are pro bowls. He only had 5 sort of successful seasons out of 15. He's not a HOF QB. He's a bang average QB that only is ranked high in a couple stats because he played for a long time.
I mean ladanian tomlinson is a hall of famer....
And he played on the teams rivers did
Tomlinson only played 4 years with Rivers tho
Tomlison was actually talented tho
Top 5 in yards and TDs
He going to da HOF
If this was a debate about kyrie he and his fans would be like”who are these guys to say another human belongs in the HOF. Only god should possess that judgement”.
“Only the universe should be on the committee”.
I swear you people are OBSESSED with Kyrie😂😂 very odd
@@ionly6805 we are. But don’t worry kyrie will get to a point in life where nobody cares what he says or does.
SAS hit the nail on the head. Rivers is a stand up guy, but he only made 1 AFC Title game and 0 superbowls. He didn't even make the playoffs half of the years that he played.
Rivers is borderline along with Eli. In a vacuum, I wouldn't put either player in the HOF. In this universe in which we live, they will both get in.
He’s won nothing. Great player but his resume doesn’t support him being a HOFer if you take emotions out of it
How? The only thing in his resume missing is super bowl and playoff appearances (TEAM achievements)..................how is that part of HIS criteria?
That Wasn't His Fault He Was A Top 5 Quarterback In His Era
@@Geeandrezzi since when did participation trophies get handed out
@@cjfrm3658 What’d he win
@@Clutch122697 He Played Against Peyton Manning And Tom Brady
Warren Moon has fewer touchdown passes and more interceptions than Rivers finished with. Moon never played in a conference championship game. It was right there for Moon in 1993, but Joe Montana led Kansas City to a comeback over the Oilers in the Divisional Round. Moon is in the Hall of Fame.
If you have to question it, the answers no.
Lmao they questioned Terrell Owens for it. Eventually he made it, he just wasn’t 1st ballot...
One thing rivers is, is a good story of not quitting on a qb. Dude was throwing 20 some picks in a season, but the chargers got the right OC with the right system (whisenhunt i think) and hes been way better ever since.
Prepare for *the screaming, people.*
If Rivers had an identical career playing for a trendy, big-market franchise nobody would question his HoF status. How can you label a QB who finished 5th in Passing TDs, 5th in Passing Yards and 5th in Passing Completions 'not great'?